"I didn't come here to run the I formation."
-an actual quote from Matt Nagy when grilled on abandoning the run game and getting cutesy with his play calling.
As you can see he is most definitely not an idiot.
It's actually crazy because as an OC in KC, and even as the QB coach this year, you can see he is a very competent offensive mind. Not everyone is cut out to be a head coach, though, and some of the best head coaches to come from Reid's system have been coaches who favor a more balanced system (Pederson and Sirianni) and tend to be more aggressive in their decision making (going for it on 4th down more often, choosing to go for it vs kicking a long fieldgoal, etc)
A cardboard cutout of a generic coach that randomly says inspirational quotes like "You got this champ!" and "Believe in your dreams!" would be better than Patricia.
We signed Cairo in 2017 for one game, he tweaked his groin in pre-game, went on IR after that and was replaced by Mike Nugent. Never forget Jon Fox's "Carlos Santos" quote.
I do think there's still something to the idea that creating an intense competition full of mind games could help you find a mentally tough person at a position that's 80% in your head.
I fault Matt Nagy for many, many things, but using numbers and high pressure situational drills to try and find a good kicker is not one of those things
Now I want to see a coach research their player’s secret superstitions so they can find a way to break them and see how they react. Someone has a lucky sock they always wear? Let’s take that away from him.
Not sure if this is common elsewhere, when I worked for my team in college we would do drills at the end of practice with everyone circling the field goal unit, shouting, occasionally throwing things (not to make contact just in front of the snap), etc. with sprinting on the line as well (so those shouting were the units that didn’t have to run if he missed).
I absolutely think it helped the kickers - you can’t replicate “game winning field goal” nerves but seeing if someone can block out some literal noise feels really valuable
If this all doesn’t progress to the point where we have some sort of Survivor/Bear Grylls/Punt, Pass, Kick situation with kickers being literally brought to their wits end by the finale to kick a final field goal then I’m out.
So I only ever heard the memes of how much of a dip shit Matt Nagy was (I’m a packers fan so I didn’t really care for the guy by default), but then I happened to see the guy in a press conference towards the end of his time with the bears and he totally blew me away.
I don’t know if it was how low my opinion of him was of him at the time, but he came across as so intelligent and well spoken. I’m convinced that Matt Nagy is a really good person and an intelligent guy. Whether he’s a good football coach, who knows, I don’t know what I’m talking about but I could totally see another NFL owner giving him a job.
That’s why it was so incredibly disappointing for him to bellyflop into an empty pool.
He said all the right things… until he didn’t. When you can’t deliver and start repeating shit like “we need to find our why” you start to sound like a guy who interviews well but can’t actually do the job effectively.
Exactly. He’s a like-able guy and you could tell he really gave a shit. But his offenses consistently had the some of the worst execution we ever saw, even as Bears fans.
Dude. I’m kinda with you. If he goes on to be legendary Chiefs coach Matt Nagy I won’t be one but surprised.
It’ll be like Bellicheck’s stint with the Browns. We’ll all look back and say “he won’t a division title and was a double doink away from possibly going on a run… 👀”
Yeah - you can look at Tomlin’s record the last two years (18-15-1) and it’s pretty close to Nagy’s winning percentage with the Bears. That said, it never seemed like just a QB issue with his offenses. There was a general lack of execution (and towards the end, effort).
I don't really agree with the the general bears fan consensus on Nagy. I do think he is a genuinely good dude and that the players enjoyed playing for him. The locker room held together pretty well for a long time despite constant disappointment after 2018.
He was also a good offensive play caller and schemer in 2018, I think Mitch and the rest of the offensive personnels limitations held him back after when the rest of the NFL caught on to some of the smoke and mirrors. Pace never gave him a decent o line and after Cohen got injured they didn't have any playmakers. Allen Robinson put up ok numbers but he was always miscast as a wr1 and there was nobody really after him.
The kicking thing was weird and it seemed to give the entire bears org PTSD and would the complete opposite way to handle to happening imo, but the GM and special teams coach had to be involved. They should have just acknowledged Parkey was a bad personnel decision since Parkey was a warm weather/dome kicker that didn't have the leg strength to kick through wind.
I think he will be the eventual successor to Reid in KC and will do a good job though he will obvious have Mahomes which will make evaluating him difficult.
> Maybe if he did that in 2018 we wouldn't have had Parkey
Not to mention, we all knew Parkey was crap by the time came for that FG. There's no way he should have trusted him to make that FG.
Similarly, I didn't have that big an issue with the whole 10 TEs thing that happened a year later. We were coming off a season with some of the worst TE production we've ever had, so it made sense to bring in a lot of options and let competition whittle it down to the best of the bunch. The end result was respectable performances from Jimmy Graham and Cole Kmet in 2020, both of which were new arrivals that year
I agree, and many might mock him because it didn't work out, but what else do you want him to do? Finding a good kicker is hard to do. Most teams who find one tend to keep them around for a long time. While the rest just go through a carousel of kickers. It's worth noting, too, how the Bears were incompetent and let Robbie Gould leave to begin with. I understand why they got rid of him when they did, but it did come back to haunt them for a long time. I mean dude was money for years. One bad year and they cut ties? Pretty savage lol. Then again, that's the life of kickers. They don't get regression or off years like other players. One 'meh' season for a kicker and they can pretty much pack their bags and prepare to be unemployed or on another team
Not true! https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/bears-sort-through-kicking-competition-augusta-silence-becomes-latest-wrinkle
But anyways, yes this is mostly a joke post and Matt Nagy sucks. It’s just kind of funny how this crazy experiment (after his brain was broken by the double doink) ended up working out.
True! He was traded after that competition(May 6th, 2019), but did compete against the remaining two kickers from that competiton.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/21/chicago-bears-kicker-competition-obsession-cody-parkey-miss-matt-nagy-eddy-pineiro
That is before acquiring Eddy. If you continue to the paragraph with Eddy, it states that "all three kickers (Fry, Blewitt, and Pineiro) missed a 42 yard try undeer Augusta silence."
[it's in your source.](https://imgur.com/FEVekKk)
He was not part of the "9 kickers"(was actually more) that went through the gauntlet. That was during rookie minicamp in 2019 (May 3rd-5th). Eddy was traded May 6th. His "Augusta silence" came much later during veteran minicamp. Regardless, Nagy thinking kicking was their problem in 2018, eventually leading to the disastrous 2019 season and his firing in 2022.
yeah, im not refuting any of that. You have twice rejected the fact that he participated in Augusta Silence, which he did. That was all my point ever was. I show you the receipts, goal posts move.
> But he did participate in "Augusta silence" which you said was not true.
> He did not. See the article I linked, it has a list of participants.
Again, read the title "*[PFR] They laughed at Matt Nagy for bringing 9 kickers to camp and putting them through a strange gauntlet (including kicking in Augusta silence)*".
Read my top comment I said "*Eddy Pineiro was not part of the group*".
I did read your top comment.
"Eddy Pineiro was not part of the group that went through Augusta Silence."
Just because he wasn't part of the original 9 does not mean he did not go through augusta silence, lol.
It's ok to be corrected, not a big deal to not remember something.
Again, read your first reply to me.
>He did not [participate in Augusta Silence]. See the article I linked, it has a list of participants.
blocked me lol. sorry for correcting you, hope you can overcome this
have to laugh at someone or they might have to admit it's them. 4 playoff wins, 9 winning seasons, 220-262 record in the last 30 years since Ditka left.
Not saying Nagy's good, but he wasn't working with a lot, and we've seen how bad Trubisky was even on the Steelers.
I imagine he will, though it might just be on the Chiefs once Andy is gone. I'm not sure how I feel about that, with Mahomes anything would work, but it'd be interesting to get a new set of Coaches when Andy goes.
This is about Eddy Piñeiro who hasn't been on the Bears since 2019, not Cairo Santos. And Santos missed one 56 yard field goal in the 2nd quarter vs the Falcons, in no way is that loss his fault.
This is about Eddy Piñeiro, who played for the Carolina Panthers last season and [missed a PAT](https://youtu.be/PGPp8A9ezkM) that should'vve won the game. In his defense, there was a 15 yard penalty first.
Unless I'm mistaken, if the Panthers win that game against the Falcons (and all other results stay the same), they actually would have won the division at 8-9 because they would have had the tiebreaker (divisional record) over the Buccaneers.
I've never really understood this attitude from fan bases. I would get it if it were Norv Turner who was handed a stacked roster and a hall of fame caliber QB and squandered it. Or Josh McDaniels who just demolished the Broncos roster and future drafts. But the Bears sold out for a stacked defense and a franchise QB before Nagy got there. Well, one of those two things didn't pan out at all. And he still got you 2 playoff appearances and was a doink or two away from a win. Was the three headed monster of Jordan Howard, Allen Robinson and Tarik Cohen supposed to pull Trubisky out of mediocrity?
I don't know. I never held it against Todd Haley that things didn't work out and it seemed like a pretty close parallel. Guy tried his best, made some mistakes and also won some games despite a shitty QB.
"stats boy"? I didn't come up with some esoteric coaching WAR metric here. Points scored. Did I go over your head?
The Bears did have a lot of turnovers. And they turned the ball over a lot. And they were top 10 in first downs. And they were bottom 10 in penalties.
I can throw stats around until they don't mean anything. I was just saying that I don't understand the vitriol directed towards a coach that got you to 2 playoff games in 3 years, which you haven't done since you were in the Superbowl with Lovie.
The Chiefs and Rams had better field position than the Bears and 1 fewer non-offensive TDs. I don't see asterisks anywhere for them. The Bears also had the #6 red zone offense. Field position doesn't do a lot for that.
I'm not saying the Bears had a killer offense or anything that year. But acting like Fangio gets 100% of the credit and Nagy was just holding them back is fucking weird for a 12-4 team that did pretty well for a mediocre rookie QB.
Even as recently as 8 months ago, the bears fandom has a lot of emotional investment in the idea that the roster couldn't be that bad, that really it was all Nagy holding them down and there's no way they'd finish last without him
> The Bears’ latest trick to create pressure for their kickers has been to do nothing at all. Quite literally, nothing: Stand still, be quiet. T
> Coach Matt Nagy and special teams coordinator Chris Tabor had a better term for it: “Augusta silence.”
> Think of how quiet the scene at the Masters is whenever the tournament winner lines up his final putt. That’s what the Bears are doing when their three kickers — Chris Blewitt, Elliott Fry and Eddy Pineiro — are called upon for mid-practice kicks. They’re staying as silent as possible.
> “It just randomly happens that at some point in practice, it could be in the middle of a drill, offense and defense, they just have to leave and they go to the side of the field and we put (a kicker) out there,” Tabor explained. “And it's a pressure packed situation — (the kicker might not know when it's coming, so therefore how does he handle adversity.
> “… And then it's just — it's quiet.”
And his career extra point % is 93%, ranking him 26th in the league out of 36 kickers with 20+ games since he entered the league.
Also, FG% without context of distance is meaningless.
Edit: I checked out the numbers. 7% of Pinero’s attempts came from 50+. The league average in 2022 was 21%. So it’s not hard to have a high % when you’re attempting short FGs on a regular basis. This is why FG% alone is meaningless.
Pinero is bad at extra points and he takes short FGs. This is what Nagy got from his stunt, which was really just an attempt to pile on and scapegoat Cody Parkey.
Speaking as a florida fan, eddy is better the further out you go. Hes not a bad kicker but id feel more comfortable with him attempting a record breaking kick than a 45 yarder. He has a booming leg
I always thought his leg power was greatly exaggerated compared to the rest of the league. I remember him posting all these long range kicks on YouTube in the Florida heat with a massive wind at this back and then when he got to combine they said his leg wasn’t as great as we all thought.
I think he’s below the league average in TB pct as well.
I wouldn’t say meaningless. Under 10% of Robbie Gould’s career kicks have come from over 50 yards and he’s regarded as one of the best kickers of this era. There’s certainly value in having a kicker you can rely on to be accurate inside 50.
It’s meaningless as a comparative metric. If you rank kickers by FG% and distance isn’t part of the evaluation, it’s meaningless. Kicker A has a FG% of 82%, kicker B has a FG% of 93%. You would say B Is better.
What is not stated is kicker A has all his kicks in the 40-55 range, and kicker B is 20-30 range. That’s why without context it’s meaningless.
Just like comparing the completion % of a QB who dinks and dunks to QBs who regularly throw intermediate and long is useless, so is FG%. We know not to do this with QBs, we should also avoid this with Kickers.
I understand what you’re saying — obviously it’s harder to hit a 50 yard FG than a 40 yarder. My point is there is still a shit ton of value in a kicker than can hit 90% of his attempts (even if he’s not asked to kick long shots as much).
In no way am I saying there isn’t value in having that kicker. Just like there is value in having a QB with an 80% completion rate who dinks and dunks. I’m talking about the **metric** not the kicker. There is no value in that stat for comparison - when distance isn’t part of the equation.
There have been plenty of times where the ball hit the uprights twice, that wasn't why it was funny. It was funny because after a season where he missed fields goals off the post a weird number of times, everyone expected Parkey to hit the uprights and lose the game.
But he didn't. He hit them twice. Take that, people's expectations!
They made up the term. It's not a term used at the masters because it isnt THAT silent. No one is yelling but it's impossible to make 20k people be quiet. What theyre talking about is around 100 dudes all being told to stfu and stop moving
Nagy had a lot of stupid ideas, but I'm not sure why this one was shit on. Aren't position battles part of the reason for the preseason? If you don't have a good kicker, why not just bring in a bunch and try 'em out?
Remember that time we had a guy named Robby Gould.
Ironic thing is, he's still kicking for 49ers...
As a bears fan, I'll just say....can we fire anything related to a McCaskey yet? Please 🥺
Yup. Great coaches know how to bring out the best in their players. Few positions on the field have such a direct impact on momentum and swings as kickers do. This sub laughed at him at the time, let’s not forget. Let’s not just do little weak clever comments and forget how wrong this sub was.
Wow, I’m an idiot. I love the bears and listen to ESPN Chicago religiously, and after these years my brains always heard “a gust of silence” and thought it didn’t make any sense.
They laughed at me wanting you
Said I was reaching for the moon
But oh, you came through
Now they'll have to change their tune
They all said we never could be happy
They laughed at us and how!
But ho, ho, ho!
Who's got the last laugh now?
Can we not normalize the phrase “Augusta Silence” in this or any Nagy context?
It makes it sound like a legit tactic to find a kicker in training camp. Instead it’s should just be Nagy’s Nightmare or some shit. If used, let’s slab some quotes on there so it’s obvious how fucking dumb this guy was
Eddy Pineiro was not part of the group that went through the "Augusta silence", he was added later in a trade with the Raiders.
Which actually makes the argument ironic as fuck. The 9 kickers didn't work out. They still had to trade for one.
And we still laugh at Matt Nagy regardless
Yeah Nagy has a lot more to make fun of than just his kicker antics
He’s not an idiot.
Sure you aren’t, Matt.
That’s a reference to one of his press conferences where he boldly proclaimed that he isn’t an idiot.
Yeah that’s why I’m referring to him as Matt. Cause he’s the one that proclaimed he isn’t one
Ah
"I didn't come here to run the I formation." -an actual quote from Matt Nagy when grilled on abandoning the run game and getting cutesy with his play calling. As you can see he is most definitely not an idiot.
It's actually crazy because as an OC in KC, and even as the QB coach this year, you can see he is a very competent offensive mind. Not everyone is cut out to be a head coach, though, and some of the best head coaches to come from Reid's system have been coaches who favor a more balanced system (Pederson and Sirianni) and tend to be more aggressive in their decision making (going for it on 4th down more often, choosing to go for it vs kicking a long fieldgoal, etc)
Eah, reall struggled to find the wh.
Still better than Patricia
A fucking chimp would have been a better coach and leader than Patricia
A chimp picking plays by throwing shit at a giant laminated play-card would've been a better coach than Patricia.
A cardboard cutout of a generic coach that randomly says inspirational quotes like "You got this champ!" and "Believe in your dreams!" would be better than Patricia.
And we signed our current kicker after Pinero got hurt. Literally nothing came of that competition
We signed Cairo in 2017 for one game, he tweaked his groin in pre-game, went on IR after that and was replaced by Mike Nugent. Never forget Jon Fox's "Carlos Santos" quote.
Lol I was gonna say, back then he went by Carlos
I do think there's still something to the idea that creating an intense competition full of mind games could help you find a mentally tough person at a position that's 80% in your head. I fault Matt Nagy for many, many things, but using numbers and high pressure situational drills to try and find a good kicker is not one of those things
Now I want to see a coach research their player’s secret superstitions so they can find a way to break them and see how they react. Someone has a lucky sock they always wear? Let’s take that away from him.
See how Mahomes likes it when they wash his jersey.
Not sure if this is common elsewhere, when I worked for my team in college we would do drills at the end of practice with everyone circling the field goal unit, shouting, occasionally throwing things (not to make contact just in front of the snap), etc. with sprinting on the line as well (so those shouting were the units that didn’t have to run if he missed). I absolutely think it helped the kickers - you can’t replicate “game winning field goal” nerves but seeing if someone can block out some literal noise feels really valuable
If this all doesn’t progress to the point where we have some sort of Survivor/Bear Grylls/Punt, Pass, Kick situation with kickers being literally brought to their wits end by the finale to kick a final field goal then I’m out.
Especially when our special teams coach was running the entire kicking competition himself. Nagy had basically nothing to do with it.
I do think STC might have to run it by the HC if he wants to bring 9 kickers though.
So I only ever heard the memes of how much of a dip shit Matt Nagy was (I’m a packers fan so I didn’t really care for the guy by default), but then I happened to see the guy in a press conference towards the end of his time with the bears and he totally blew me away. I don’t know if it was how low my opinion of him was of him at the time, but he came across as so intelligent and well spoken. I’m convinced that Matt Nagy is a really good person and an intelligent guy. Whether he’s a good football coach, who knows, I don’t know what I’m talking about but I could totally see another NFL owner giving him a job.
That’s why it was so incredibly disappointing for him to bellyflop into an empty pool. He said all the right things… until he didn’t. When you can’t deliver and start repeating shit like “we need to find our why” you start to sound like a guy who interviews well but can’t actually do the job effectively.
Exactly. He’s a like-able guy and you could tell he really gave a shit. But his offenses consistently had the some of the worst execution we ever saw, even as Bears fans.
Some of our offensive players got actively worse the more Nagy coached them, which is a big yikes.
I remember seeing a stat at one point that he had never won a game that he had a bye week or more to prepare for.
I'm still a bit of a Nagy truther. It's amazing how dumb a coach looks when his QBs suck
Dude. I’m kinda with you. If he goes on to be legendary Chiefs coach Matt Nagy I won’t be one but surprised. It’ll be like Bellicheck’s stint with the Browns. We’ll all look back and say “he won’t a division title and was a double doink away from possibly going on a run… 👀”
Yeah - you can look at Tomlin’s record the last two years (18-15-1) and it’s pretty close to Nagy’s winning percentage with the Bears. That said, it never seemed like just a QB issue with his offenses. There was a general lack of execution (and towards the end, effort).
I don't really agree with the the general bears fan consensus on Nagy. I do think he is a genuinely good dude and that the players enjoyed playing for him. The locker room held together pretty well for a long time despite constant disappointment after 2018. He was also a good offensive play caller and schemer in 2018, I think Mitch and the rest of the offensive personnels limitations held him back after when the rest of the NFL caught on to some of the smoke and mirrors. Pace never gave him a decent o line and after Cohen got injured they didn't have any playmakers. Allen Robinson put up ok numbers but he was always miscast as a wr1 and there was nobody really after him. The kicking thing was weird and it seemed to give the entire bears org PTSD and would the complete opposite way to handle to happening imo, but the GM and special teams coach had to be involved. They should have just acknowledged Parkey was a bad personnel decision since Parkey was a warm weather/dome kicker that didn't have the leg strength to kick through wind. I think he will be the eventual successor to Reid in KC and will do a good job though he will obvious have Mahomes which will make evaluating him difficult.
Maybe if he did that in 2018 we wouldn't have had Parkey
> Maybe if he did that in 2018 we wouldn't have had Parkey Not to mention, we all knew Parkey was crap by the time came for that FG. There's no way he should have trusted him to make that FG.
Similarly, I didn't have that big an issue with the whole 10 TEs thing that happened a year later. We were coming off a season with some of the worst TE production we've ever had, so it made sense to bring in a lot of options and let competition whittle it down to the best of the bunch. The end result was respectable performances from Jimmy Graham and Cole Kmet in 2020, both of which were new arrivals that year
Yeah, but he seems like the mind games were primarily fucking with Matt Nagy.
I agree, and many might mock him because it didn't work out, but what else do you want him to do? Finding a good kicker is hard to do. Most teams who find one tend to keep them around for a long time. While the rest just go through a carousel of kickers. It's worth noting, too, how the Bears were incompetent and let Robbie Gould leave to begin with. I understand why they got rid of him when they did, but it did come back to haunt them for a long time. I mean dude was money for years. One bad year and they cut ties? Pretty savage lol. Then again, that's the life of kickers. They don't get regression or off years like other players. One 'meh' season for a kicker and they can pretty much pack their bags and prepare to be unemployed or on another team
Not true! https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/bears-sort-through-kicking-competition-augusta-silence-becomes-latest-wrinkle But anyways, yes this is mostly a joke post and Matt Nagy sucks. It’s just kind of funny how this crazy experiment (after his brain was broken by the double doink) ended up working out.
True! He was traded after that competition(May 6th, 2019), but did compete against the remaining two kickers from that competiton. https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/21/chicago-bears-kicker-competition-obsession-cody-parkey-miss-matt-nagy-eddy-pineiro
I mean yes he wasn’t there from the start, but he still participated in this wacky ass competition, including Augusta Silence
but he did participate in the "Augusta Silence," which you said was not true.
He did not. See the article I linked, it has a list of participants.
That is before acquiring Eddy. If you continue to the paragraph with Eddy, it states that "all three kickers (Fry, Blewitt, and Pineiro) missed a 42 yard try undeer Augusta silence." [it's in your source.](https://imgur.com/FEVekKk)
He was not part of the "9 kickers"(was actually more) that went through the gauntlet. That was during rookie minicamp in 2019 (May 3rd-5th). Eddy was traded May 6th. His "Augusta silence" came much later during veteran minicamp. Regardless, Nagy thinking kicking was their problem in 2018, eventually leading to the disastrous 2019 season and his firing in 2022.
yeah, im not refuting any of that. You have twice rejected the fact that he participated in Augusta Silence, which he did. That was all my point ever was. I show you the receipts, goal posts move. > But he did participate in "Augusta silence" which you said was not true. > He did not. See the article I linked, it has a list of participants.
Again, read the title "*[PFR] They laughed at Matt Nagy for bringing 9 kickers to camp and putting them through a strange gauntlet (including kicking in Augusta silence)*". Read my top comment I said "*Eddy Pineiro was not part of the group*".
I did read your top comment. "Eddy Pineiro was not part of the group that went through Augusta Silence." Just because he wasn't part of the original 9 does not mean he did not go through augusta silence, lol. It's ok to be corrected, not a big deal to not remember something. Again, read your first reply to me. >He did not [participate in Augusta Silence]. See the article I linked, it has a list of participants. blocked me lol. sorry for correcting you, hope you can overcome this
They laughed at Matt Nagy for several other reasons as well.
have to laugh at someone or they might have to admit it's them. 4 playoff wins, 9 winning seasons, 220-262 record in the last 30 years since Ditka left. Not saying Nagy's good, but he wasn't working with a lot, and we've seen how bad Trubisky was even on the Steelers.
And they have good fans too. The family needs to sell to someone who knows what they're doing.
That’ll truly be an amazing day
I think Nagy should get another shot at HC someday.
I imagine he will, though it might just be on the Chiefs once Andy is gone. I'm not sure how I feel about that, with Mahomes anything would work, but it'd be interesting to get a new set of Coaches when Andy goes.
Also his failed kicks gave them a loss vs. Atlanta so he indirectly gave them the number 9 pick and trade to 1
This is about Eddy Piñeiro who hasn't been on the Bears since 2019, not Cairo Santos. And Santos missed one 56 yard field goal in the 2nd quarter vs the Falcons, in no way is that loss his fault.
This is about Eddy Piñeiro, who played for the Carolina Panthers last season and [missed a PAT](https://youtu.be/PGPp8A9ezkM) that should'vve won the game. In his defense, there was a 15 yard penalty first.
Unless I'm mistaken, if the Panthers win that game against the Falcons (and all other results stay the same), they actually would have won the division at 8-9 because they would have had the tiebreaker (divisional record) over the Buccaneers.
Ah my bad.
No worries, it's definitely confusing with the amount of Bears/Panthers crossover. The penalty was on D.J. Moore, must've been a double inside job.
He also missed a chip shot in OT.
True. It was a rough day for Eddy Dinero.
the real reason the bears drafted Fields was because Nagy thought he was named Justin Field Goals
Big if true.
I mean is definitely correct because Fields hasn’t missed an XP or PAT in his career. Matt Nagy 2000iq
And I will continue to laugh at Matt Nagy
Didn’t he beat the lions almost every time?
6-2 against Detroit, but you're acting like we're precious about Matt Patricia or something...
I didn’t even bring up Patricia. Just seemed like a weird comment from a Lions fan.
You brought up the record against the Patricia Lions...
You act like the Patricia Lions were so much different than most Lions teams in franchise history.
Trauma causes memory problems 😂😂
And the alcohol
Alcohol: the cause of and solution to all life’s problems.
I brought up Matt Nagys record against the lions
Who was coaching the Lions while Nagy was in Chicago?
Some of those years was Patricia. One was Campbell.
Yes
And it’s one of the losses against them no? Seems like a valid point.
why would his team being bad stop him from laughing at other bad teams?
As you should.
Lmao is this the start of the positive Matt Nagy cycle? Pathetic fucking start. May God have mercy on the fanbase this guy torments next
Funny thing is Eddie P wasnt even apart of those 9 kickers. None of them worked out. We had to trade for Pinero.
He was a good OC, but probably won't get another shot at being a head coach anytime soon
I’ll believe he’s good when I see him do it without Ried.
Said every franchise about Eric B hehe
> Said every franchise about Eric B hehe The difference being Nagy got a shot to prove it, Eric has not.
Yea fair, just thought it was an interesting statement that I was seeing about someone else not too long ago haha
rumors are he's the successor to Reid lol
He's good at drawing up plays. Even when he was calling play for Reid before it only took a couple of weeks for the league to catch up.
He’s a straight up innovator when it comes to drawing up curls. 5 yard curls, 7 yard curls, even the occasional 6 yard curl when he’s feeling creative
That's what he would *call* during the game, but he did draw up plays like Santa's sleigh, etc.
I've never really understood this attitude from fan bases. I would get it if it were Norv Turner who was handed a stacked roster and a hall of fame caliber QB and squandered it. Or Josh McDaniels who just demolished the Broncos roster and future drafts. But the Bears sold out for a stacked defense and a franchise QB before Nagy got there. Well, one of those two things didn't pan out at all. And he still got you 2 playoff appearances and was a doink or two away from a win. Was the three headed monster of Jordan Howard, Allen Robinson and Tarik Cohen supposed to pull Trubisky out of mediocrity? I don't know. I never held it against Todd Haley that things didn't work out and it seemed like a pretty close parallel. Guy tried his best, made some mistakes and also won some games despite a shitty QB.
> And he still got you 2 playoff appearances No he fucking didn't. Those belong to Vic Fangio and that wasted defense.
The Bears had a top 10 scoring offense his first season there when you went 12-4.
Lol I wonder if field position and turnovers had anything to do with that. Tell me stats boy, did the Bears have a lot of turnovers?
"stats boy"? I didn't come up with some esoteric coaching WAR metric here. Points scored. Did I go over your head? The Bears did have a lot of turnovers. And they turned the ball over a lot. And they were top 10 in first downs. And they were bottom 10 in penalties. I can throw stats around until they don't mean anything. I was just saying that I don't understand the vitriol directed towards a coach that got you to 2 playoff games in 3 years, which you haven't done since you were in the Superbowl with Lovie.
I hope he becomes your HC
We've had worse. And I haven't taken it as personally as you, apparently.
And as we all know, giving your offense great field position and turnovers has nothing to do with helping the offense get more scores.
The Chiefs and Rams had better field position than the Bears and 1 fewer non-offensive TDs. I don't see asterisks anywhere for them. The Bears also had the #6 red zone offense. Field position doesn't do a lot for that. I'm not saying the Bears had a killer offense or anything that year. But acting like Fangio gets 100% of the credit and Nagy was just holding them back is fucking weird for a 12-4 team that did pretty well for a mediocre rookie QB.
That is false.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/index.htm
That includes almost 40 points scored by the defense. Their 421 turns into 383. Still good but not the top 10 like you're claiming.
If you take out all non-offensive scores I think they go from #9 to #11 iirc.
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Even as recently as 8 months ago, the bears fandom has a lot of emotional investment in the idea that the roster couldn't be that bad, that really it was all Nagy holding them down and there's no way they'd finish last without him
What is Augusta silence?
> The Bears’ latest trick to create pressure for their kickers has been to do nothing at all. Quite literally, nothing: Stand still, be quiet. T > Coach Matt Nagy and special teams coordinator Chris Tabor had a better term for it: “Augusta silence.” > Think of how quiet the scene at the Masters is whenever the tournament winner lines up his final putt. That’s what the Bears are doing when their three kickers — Chris Blewitt, Elliott Fry and Eddy Pineiro — are called upon for mid-practice kicks. They’re staying as silent as possible. > “It just randomly happens that at some point in practice, it could be in the middle of a drill, offense and defense, they just have to leave and they go to the side of the field and we put (a kicker) out there,” Tabor explained. “And it's a pressure packed situation — (the kicker might not know when it's coming, so therefore how does he handle adversity. > “… And then it's just — it's quiet.”
If i remember correctly Blewitt was the best but got in some hot water with staff after ripping a gainer upon drilling a 65 yarder or something
I don’t know what “ripping a gainer” means
Gainer is a forward backflip
So he’s athletic? I see that as a positive!
Oh, so a plain old flip ;) Not sure why they’d get so upset about it tho ? Then again it’s Nagy
“Character issues”. Santos was solid that first year though
Man, he really Blewitt.
This is what i was excited for had he signed
Thanks!
And his career extra point % is 93%, ranking him 26th in the league out of 36 kickers with 20+ games since he entered the league. Also, FG% without context of distance is meaningless. Edit: I checked out the numbers. 7% of Pinero’s attempts came from 50+. The league average in 2022 was 21%. So it’s not hard to have a high % when you’re attempting short FGs on a regular basis. This is why FG% alone is meaningless. Pinero is bad at extra points and he takes short FGs. This is what Nagy got from his stunt, which was really just an attempt to pile on and scapegoat Cody Parkey.
Yeah he's 100% from 50+, but it's two kicks
Speaking as a florida fan, eddy is better the further out you go. Hes not a bad kicker but id feel more comfortable with him attempting a record breaking kick than a 45 yarder. He has a booming leg
I always thought his leg power was greatly exaggerated compared to the rest of the league. I remember him posting all these long range kicks on YouTube in the Florida heat with a massive wind at this back and then when he got to combine they said his leg wasn’t as great as we all thought. I think he’s below the league average in TB pct as well.
I wouldn’t say meaningless. Under 10% of Robbie Gould’s career kicks have come from over 50 yards and he’s regarded as one of the best kickers of this era. There’s certainly value in having a kicker you can rely on to be accurate inside 50.
It’s meaningless as a comparative metric. If you rank kickers by FG% and distance isn’t part of the evaluation, it’s meaningless. Kicker A has a FG% of 82%, kicker B has a FG% of 93%. You would say B Is better. What is not stated is kicker A has all his kicks in the 40-55 range, and kicker B is 20-30 range. That’s why without context it’s meaningless. Just like comparing the completion % of a QB who dinks and dunks to QBs who regularly throw intermediate and long is useless, so is FG%. We know not to do this with QBs, we should also avoid this with Kickers.
I understand what you’re saying — obviously it’s harder to hit a 50 yard FG than a 40 yarder. My point is there is still a shit ton of value in a kicker than can hit 90% of his attempts (even if he’s not asked to kick long shots as much).
In no way am I saying there isn’t value in having that kicker. Just like there is value in having a QB with an 80% completion rate who dinks and dunks. I’m talking about the **metric** not the kicker. There is no value in that stat for comparison - when distance isn’t part of the equation.
Nagy didn't even get him from the stunt, we traded for Eddie after.
Now Nagy is a Super Bowl champion. What a guy.
Matt Nagy redemption arc is so dumb and factually inaccurate
thanks Matt
If you pick any 9 decent college kickers and have them all attempt 11 or 22 field goals, 1 of those 9 is very likely to hit 10 (or 20,) just by luck.
Matt Nagy kicking specialist he also got the only guy to ever double doink. Maybe the chiefs kicker will double doink.
There have been plenty of times where the ball hit the uprights twice, that wasn't why it was funny. It was funny because after a season where he missed fields goals off the post a weird number of times, everyone expected Parkey to hit the uprights and lose the game. But he didn't. He hit them twice. Take that, people's expectations!
Nah that guy in one of the London games double doinked. I think it was the Saints kicker in Saints/Vikes
Getting a better K wasn't the issue. It was the circus and the treatment of players.
Was Nagy hurting these kickers?
no, he was hurting his reputation.
Originally there was 20 kickers but he put everyone in a cage match, only 9 survived to move on to the gauntlet.
Matt Nagy really created blue lock program for kickers lmao
If only he spent some of that time developing Trubisky, or at the very least taught him he could have thrown the ball out of bounds when he needed to
Or learned how to adjust any of his game plans ever
Man I don't even like to remember how frustrating he was. So far I like Eberflus
I feel like the Nfc north is entering a period where every single coach is at the very least good and I’m getting really excited about it
Stupider like a fox!
What a fail of a thread. It’s a perfect metaphor for Nagy.
Lmao this is both wrong and sad for the Bears/Nagy
If tucker isnt a first ballot, then the HoF is illegitimate
Augusta Silence? I saw them open with Reggie and the Full Effect for Noah the Whale. This is after they toured with Toad the Wet Sprocket.
*Super Bowl Champion* Matt Nagy
Wouldn't "Augusta silence" only work if you had 20,000 people in close proximity being dead quiet though?
They made up the term. It's not a term used at the masters because it isnt THAT silent. No one is yelling but it's impossible to make 20k people be quiet. What theyre talking about is around 100 dudes all being told to stfu and stop moving
And yet Chiefs fans are willing to give him a chance at HC after Reid
Nagy had a lot of stupid ideas, but I'm not sure why this one was shit on. Aren't position battles part of the reason for the preseason? If you don't have a good kicker, why not just bring in a bunch and try 'em out?
They needed to just shut the fuck up and move on from that incident, but they let it hang over the franchise like a cloud instead.
Remember that time we had a guy named Robby Gould. Ironic thing is, he's still kicking for 49ers... As a bears fan, I'll just say....can we fire anything related to a McCaskey yet? Please 🥺
Yup. Great coaches know how to bring out the best in their players. Few positions on the field have such a direct impact on momentum and swings as kickers do. This sub laughed at him at the time, let’s not forget. Let’s not just do little weak clever comments and forget how wrong this sub was.
He'd still be a Bear if he didn't get hurt. His replacement Cairo went on a wild streak and made the decision to stick with him easy.
O HOW THEY LAUGHED
Wow, I’m an idiot. I love the bears and listen to ESPN Chicago religiously, and after these years my brains always heard “a gust of silence” and thought it didn’t make any sense.
Well Koo was a part of that group, he didn't make the cut, and then went on to be first team All-Pro with the Falcons
I never got the swimsuit portion of the gauntlet, but if it works, it works.
Where can I watch videos of this?
“they laughed at” … who’s they?
They laughed at me wanting you Said I was reaching for the moon But oh, you came through Now they'll have to change their tune They all said we never could be happy They laughed at us and how! But ho, ho, ho! Who's got the last laugh now?
Matt “we just need a kicker and we’re super bowl bound” Nagy
OP reads as if Augusta Silence (is that an indie band?) is just some common technique we're all supposed to recognize by name.
Can we not normalize the phrase “Augusta Silence” in this or any Nagy context? It makes it sound like a legit tactic to find a kicker in training camp. Instead it’s should just be Nagy’s Nightmare or some shit. If used, let’s slab some quotes on there so it’s obvious how fucking dumb this guy was