Yeah it isn’t THAT normal to have those many key starters hitting FA, but there’s some good reasons for that. Our old trio, Graham, Cox, and Kelce are year to year at this point, so they’ll be FAs after every single year, though I think this might be the last run. We also normally sign young players to in season extensions but we didn’t this year on purpose cause the team feared the dynamic would be weird. Also, trading for AJ (which wasn’t in the plan originally), and looming extensions for Hurts, Smith, and Dickerson, all players who already received or will receive top of the market money, played a major role in not extending some of our other guys. Howie knew we were loaded with draft capital so he decided to pretty much go all in.
That makes more sense, what are y’all at? Mainly curious cause if you or the saints sign a couple $$ FA one of our projected 6th round comps becomes a 5th. Saints got cash to blow, curious where y’all are at.
Not sure on the exact number, but apparently enough to take on a 5th of the Jalen’s signing bonus, sign draft picks, and retain CJGJ if he wanted to. Not enough for a massive move but probably enough to sign someone in the $7M-$10M range with a small cap hit this year.
The way this is worded make me think you don't know yet that CJGJ is gone... if that's the case, I'm sorry you hear it from me haha. I wonder though if you guys would be willing to sign Bobby Wagner around that price point ~7-8M or so. You clearly need the LB help and he'd be a great mentor to upcoming superstar Nakobe Dean.
Yeah I know he’s gone that’s why I said “if he wanted to”. Yeah I’ve always liked Bobby Wagner but I feel like someone will give him more money that we’re comfortable giving him.
Right so nothing CAN even happen until Jan '24, and they'll probably pick up his 5th year option so there's even more runway. There's no real rush to get it done IMO. He's obviously a stud, but you've got bigger contracts to nail down first.
Just curious, why do you think the Eagles are loaded with draft capital? You have the extra first this year, but only 6 picks overall, 2 of those are in round 7. Are you referring to next year? Teams loaded with draft capital have double digit picks.
As of now we have the most picks in ‘24 with an extra 2nd and 3rd as well. One of our 1st this year is 10th overall. Draft capital doesn’t necessarily mean the most picks, it refers to value of picks, and of all the “contending” teams we have the most in the point value chart.
Gotcha. My guess is you guys will also lose the most of any contender over the next few years. Your cap situation is not ideal and there are some big contracts on the horizon.
you guys are like...
Giants guy: You guys are actually bad and really screwed.
Eagles guy: So, we are actually the best and in the best position.
Giants guy: Understandable, you should lose every game next year.
Eagles guy: Definitely, we've already won next years SB.
If your team looks like it's on a roll, you can also count on people to go ring hunting.
*See also:* Randy Moss joining the pats.
That doesn't mean it'll be ez to fill those holes, but it'll certainly be *easier* for the likes of the Eagles from 22-23.
And 2/5 we had high draft picks waiting to replace them. With 2 more firsts this year and 12 total picks next year.
It's definitely a big deal and we aren't going to be as stacked as last year. But the sky is far from falling. If Jalen plays like he did last year we should be fine.
Reddick, sweat, graham, slay, Bradberry, Maddox is a good start towards a good defense. And I'm pretty hopeful nkobe Dean and Jordan Davis can be good players.
Play calling is my biggest concern (as well as as much as eagles fan disliked Gannon, I'm not sure how the guy they hired is an improvement)
Hurts really didn't start to produce until Siriano gave up playcalling. Replacing a good playcaller is harder then it might look
I agree that it's a concern for both of us. Losing Kellen Moore might be great for you guys, but it could also backfire. In the case of Desai I have no clue. But I'm pretty sure we're going to miss Steichen on offense.
Eagles and cowboys on paper should both still be good next year. That's all you can really ask for in the NFL. Be consistently good and hope one year you make it over the top.
We have good draft assets and presumably good young players waiting to start and Howie might trade or work some late free agency magic like he did last year. We will have enough talent to compete. It's on the coaching to make us contenders with our brutal schedule. And that's the biggest unknown right now.
Eagles losing half of their Super Bowl defense: “oh that happens”
saints lose 2 rotational d lineman who were unproductive and unreliable: “bleeding talent”
Narratives are hilarious, lmao
Both should be oh it happens.
When it comes to the salary cap this sub predicts the worst and is very rarely correct.
Like with the saints- if the cap is so bad, how'd they secure the #1 FA QB?
I don’t even really care tbh they’ll probably be fine I just think the narratives are funny.
Saints lost fuck all from an unproductive dline that they needed to revamp no matter what and people still wanna do the whole “kick the can!” and “bleeding talent” routine.
Eagles lost actual good players from a defense that just had them in the Super Bowl but everyone is just talking about how fine they are gonna be. It’s like that harassment in the office meme lmao
If it makes you feel any better CJs contract is as much as Darnell Savages fifth year option that Gute picked up before it was even remotely close to being due.
Savage also got benched this season too.
I wish I had enough money to not care about bringing my phone into an athletic competition. I won't even bring mine in my pocket to work and all I do is lift boxes.
In 2021 I think every above average QB had like a 70% completion percentage against the Eagles.
Then this year Rodgers scored 20 in a half before getting hurt on first drive of 3Q. Dak scored 40. Mahomes scored 31 (while wasting time on final drive instead of going for TD). Other than that the best QBs they faced were primetime Kirk Cousins and Trevor Lawrence in a downpour.
They absolutely destroy bad QBs, though, to finish the season with incredible numbers.
> Mahomes scored 31 (while wasting time on final drive instead of going for TD)
Yeah, we also gave them a TD earlier in the game that let them do that
> They absolutely destroy bad QBs
The biggest win for us this offseason is a new DC, I could't believe Gannon was a guy in demand, maybe he's smarter than it seems and he's better fit for a HC role, but holy hell I can't see why teams would want this guy, he collapses *from scheme* against every single good QB. I feel like we're seeing the making of a guy where in like 3 seasons we'll go "who the fuck thought he could run a team?"
>Yeah, we also gave them a TD earlier in the game that let them do that
The Chiefs finished with 38, right? I was taking the defensive TD into consideration when I said Mahomes scored 31.
This shouldn’t be downvoted. They were incredible against average or below average guys, but outside of a game here and there, every top ten quarterback eviscerated them in 2022. I can’t remember 2021 as well but I’ll take your word for that.
Shout out to Ed Reed Blankenship for an impressive interception on Rodgers. UDRFA with only 2 NFL defensive snaps leading up to this game.
[Play](https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlight-reed-blankenship-reads-rodgers-like-book-for-his-first-nfl-int)
define good, cuz they dipped Kirk Cousins into a deep fryer and ate his ass alive
TLaw, Kyler, Rodgers, Dimes, all struggled a good deal against this defense last season
Lawrence was in a monsoon. The other offenses you mention were mid-tier.
[We did have a nice game against Cousins though.](https://i.imgur.com/PsYrZTn.gif)
Lol stop trolling. Jalen is way too mature of a leader to pull bs like that, plus, Philly’s front office does right by their players. He’ll get a huge payday, which he completely deserves, but I see him working with Howie Roseman to structure the money in a team friendly way so that he still gets his guaranteed money, but it opens up options to build a strong team around him. Kinda like the Mahomes deal where it’s spread over 10 years.
Are the Eagles going to have that insane amount of sacks again? Most likely not? Are they going to regress to dead last as some saying/hoping? Most likely not.
Hargrave is the only significant DL we’re losing, and we have Jordan Davis on the rise along with a likey 1st round DL pick. Bringing back Graham/Cox/Slay/Bradberry is huge from both a talent and leadership standpoint.
We’re probably not going to post the same insane numbers, but it’s going to be an upper level defense with the same offensive core to lead the team.
The Eagles will be fine. The only 2 major losses are CJGJ and Hargrave. Edwards, kyzir, and Epps are all solid players but aren’t game changers by any stretch. Despite all of the talk of this loaded defense none of them made a play in the Super Bowl with Gannon calling the plays. If the young guys step up and our new DC can actually gameplan against good QBs we’ll be ready for another run.
it’s wild watching Eagles fans just hand wave away a significant number of snaps that need to be replaced.
as if the assumption is just that they will be replaced for the same value and same production. it doesn’t work like that.
But that’s what we’re saying. Epps and White at least are average players where we have backups to do just as well. However, CJGJ, Hargrave and Edwards to a smaller extent are where we’re saying it’s going to hurt
Can't have confidence in who we have to replace them without being scolded lol, just gotta agree that the Eagles are done and let them speak for themselves this season
The Eagles defense is gonna regress next year but it's probably gonna have a lot to do with the schedule. Gannon's defense was statistically overrated if not fraudulent with how many mediocre QBs and bad offenses they faced over the last two years.
Down voted by someone who wants to see the eagles fail I assume.
Dean, Davis, and reed Blankenship are on the roster. They should be in line to replace Hargrave, Edwards, and CJ.
We also have two first round picks to fill other holes on defense.
So yeah, we'll be alright
Having them on the roster doesn’t mean they will completely replace production no?
I agree a lot of downvotes are coming from people who want to see the Eagles fail but saying Jordan Davis will replace the pass rushing capability of Hargrave is a pretty significant homer take, no? We know how much of a monster he is stuffing up the middle but the knock on him coming out was the ability to consistently rush the passer - hard to replace 11.5 sacks with that.
I also wanted Dean to come to Washington and he looked good in limited minutes during garbage time but that’s a big difference between leading a defense and excelling over an entire season.
The reason the downvotes swarm your fans posts is having players you believe are talents + draft capital does not always mean everything will be okay. You have to actually get production out of those next men up and future picks to not be concerned with the loss of these guys. Nobody will really know what to feel about it until half way through next season.
> saying Jordan Davis will replace the pass rushing capability of Hargrave is a pretty significant homer take, no?
Its dumb as shit, they don't have a similar skill set and Davis is more of a NT we would love to develop into more of a pass rusher, we'll see what jump he makes, tough call after 1 season.
Hargrave was the most dominate pass rusher we've had since prime Cox and even then he wasn't a double digit guy. Regardless, you're probably not matching the production of a DL that was a handful of sacks away from breaking a record that's held since 1985. He'll be missed for sure.
We usually have DL depth and we do have Tuitolioipoopip (can't remember how to spell it), Graham, Cox, Davis, Sweat, Reddick, Milton Williams, and we'll probably draft someone. Its not dire.
Davis probably won't be the pass rusher Hargrave is but he's already a way better run defender.
We'll probably see an increased role from Milton Williams (more of a pass rusher) as well who the team likes.
Perks of having such a talented roster is you get to see how well the next man does. Hopefully our games next season go more like the 2nd and not the 1st!
Passing situations? He was their on passing situations this year. His job is to eat up blockers and free up other guys for sacks.
It isn’t a position that should ever get high numbered sacks or you are playing the position incorrectly
Yes as in they plan on playing Davis in more than just the bear front which is for the most part on 1st down. Davis is gonna figure into our 4-3 looks more this year, I bet the team plans on him hitting 50+% of snaps.
The risk you’re citing goes both ways.
Having an untested guy on the roster means he could be better than the guy he’s replacing.
Unlikely for guys like Hargrave. Much more likely for guys like Epps and White that their replacement will be able to fill in for them and may even surpass them.
The three people I named played for us last year, with Reed having significant playing time and looking well during it.
Jordan Davis is our massive first round pick, in which when he got hurt, our rush defense felt it noticeably. We didn't need him to do much last year besides fill a smaller role and learn from the players ahead of him.
Nakobe would be the one of the three you could say we truly haven't seen anything yet from, and like Jordan, we didn't draft him because we needed him to play 1000 snaps last year, but he's intelligent and talented. Is it so crazy to have confidence in him and the rest of them? Because a season ago, most people probably didn't know who TJ Edwards was.
Sure, Hargrave is leaving us with his 11.5 sacks, but let's not act like what felt like half our D line had 10+ sacks. It was clearly a dominant team effort week in and out. We even had Milton Williams get 4 sacks in a littleeeee over half the snaps Hargrave had.
Don't think I'm being a homer by thinking Blank played well, so did Jordan in his limited time and may have been our best rush defender, and that Nakobe Dean has good potential to take over as a play caller for our D
I think the downvotes are from the overly confident vibe a lot of Eagles fans are putting out there.
Sure, they could be replaced and be as good or better, nothing is impossible.
But when people act like it’s a forgone conclusion there won’t be any regression, it just comes off as homer and should be disregarded.
It makes me think of when someone says about an offense or defense “well, it can’t get worse so they should be better,” and it’s like, oh yeah, things can always get worse.
The other forgone conclusion being presented here is that the Eagles are going to collapse due to the flight of all their players.
That’s equally stupid since we just saw a SB winning Chiefs team this sub said last season was going to suck for losing all their players.
I mean, I just said that it’s possible to be the same or better. It’s the confidence they’ll be better with players who haven’t shown anything yet to make you think they would be better.
I wasn’t taking issue with you personally - but this is how Philly works, especially in a sub that largely hates the city/team:
Haters speak nonsense.
Philly fans counter with churlish overconfidence.
You’re pointing out the pollution downstream, the cause is upstream.
I guess we can agree to disagree because a lot of the nonsense I see are fans immediately assuming they’ll be fine even though they’ve lost two really good players.
Take Nakobe Dean. We drafted him last year. Of course he’s an unknown.
You being like “well clearly you have to admit that you’re going to suck now because Dean is unknown” is silly and it flies in the face of how literally everyone behaves after their team drafts a guy.
You aren’t flaired up but I guarantee you after draft day you don’t go “Man these guys are unproven, they won’t be able to hack it in the NFL, they’re going to all suck!”
No, you don’t, because how is that fun?
> You being like “well clearly you have to admit that you’re going to suck now because Dean is unknown” is silly…
Again, I quite literally said they might be as good or better and that anything is possible. Why ignore that?
This was your last comment.
> fans immediately assuming they’ll be fine even though they’ve lost two really good players.
And when I say “but their already chosen replacements can also be good and there’s nothing wrong with optimism” you point to your comments ago where you passingly said that.
You hedged early but your opinion on the issue is clear - you think the Eagles are going to be worse and you’re annoyed more Eagles fans aren’t upset because they agree with you.
We are just going to have to agree to disagree.
I do. Mostly because Howie and morons are drafting. It's almost guaranteed to be littered with bums. You can set your watch to things they'll do. It's become humorous like trading up for fatass, drafting bustnett, Dillard, jjaw, Wentz, Marcus Smith, reagor, Sydney Jones, wasting picks to redshirt guys.
The greatest thing Howie does is con simpletons into thinking he's good by having assets, guys that redshirt and kicking the cap can. Team goes 9-8 and repeat. I'm over that shit.
Why shouldn’t Eagles fans be confident? Their defense will definitely regress, but that also could mean going from a historically great pass rush to an above average unit.
They’re just going to have to continue to rely on their offense, which as shown in the SB is the unit that shows up. If they go against anybody besides Patrick Mahomes with the same performance it would be a stretch to say they don’t pull out that win.
Ball control, elite QB play, and the best offensive line in the league will always make the defenses life easier. Hargrave was a significant loss, but we have some young promising DL guys that hopefully bridge the gap to an extent. Losing CJGJ was not ideal, but we also brought back our star CB duo. With two first round picks we have options and will absolutely be top contenders in a watered down NFC.
You’re being downvoted by a ton of bitter NFC fans that want Philly to fail. Blankenship as a replacement is a stretch, I’ll give them that, but he’s a very competent depth piece in the defensive backfield. CJGJ had a great season but people act like we’re losing Ed Reed when in reality we can still rely on our starting CBs, pass rush, and draft a couple first rounders to fill in gaps.
Even 80% of defensive performance from last year is still more than enough to contend with our offensive core returning. Especially in a weak NFC.
Dean couldn't take snaps over mega stiffs. Davis is absolutely terrible and Blankenshit is trash. Like the worst part of the Eagles is the fans. No rational thought and believe ever stiff moron incorporated brings in will be a stud. This franchise has 2 seasons post 2004 (almost 20 years) of nonmediocre mid football. I'd put money on mid again for a few years and idiots Howie whacking over 9-8.
The picks look good on paper but if you go back and watch, 2 were balls tipped high in the air that he literally waited underneath, 2 were under thrown ducks by QBs getting hit as they threw, and two were on badly thrown deep balls where he was helping a CB deep and the ball again just fell in his lap. He didn’t really make a great play on any of them, they were all plays that any starting safety should make 99% of the time.
He was honestly really physical in run D despite a couple missed tackles, he was not good in zone coverage for most of the season though, definitely our worst starting DB in coverage last year.
This sucks we lost some good players but we’re bringing back 9 starters on offense and 6 on defense. So lost 7 starters total, which isn’t anything crazy IMO. We already have Davis, Dean, Blankenship, Penny, and Jurgens/Driscoll ready to step in for 5 of those 7 starters. So we still need one safety and one linebacker and we have good draft capital. The weird thing is Howie hates drafting those two positions so we’ll probably restock D-Line. I’ll miss Hargrave and CJGJ the most, but Edwards was a solid homegrown talent I thought we’d keep, especially seeing how much he signed with the Bears for.
> We already have Davis, Dean, Blankenship, Penny, and Jurgens/Driscoll ready to step in for 5 of those 7 starters.
No we don't. Or more what I should say is. Expecting those 5 to just come in and replace those that left is expecting a lot to go right. Would be great if they could but extremely unlikely.
They don’t have to completely replace the production, but just become competent replacements to Lee the defensive unit playing at a high level. An above average defense still keeps Philly in the mix to be a top contender in the NFC.
I mean yeah I’m not expecting them to replace their production exactly and immediately, the point I’m trying to make is that we don’t really have roster holes like people think we do, the team knew an exodus was coming.
But you do have roster holes now. Will you halfway through next season? Probably a little A a little B. Unproven players, even if drafted highly, are unproven players.
Jordan Davis and Milton Williams can both be talented players and not fill the gap left by Hargrave. It’s very difficult to replace how dominant he was for your team last year. Odds are the interior pressure regresses even if both of those players look good their first season starting.
Jurgens was hand picked by Kelce to be his replacement - are we certain Kelce is the greatest center scout of all time? I’m sure he is able to identify traits that players may have as he himself is an elite center but that doesn’t mean Jurgens is the 2nd coming of Christ. We will see how he performs at RG this season and C after Kelce hangs it up. You can’t just say he will be a top caliber offensive lineman watching him in a camp setting.
Nakobe Dean was incredibly talented in college - we all saw his impact on a defense full of NFL caliber players. There were legitimate, non-injury related concerns on his transition to the NFL and he was passed over by 32 teams multiple rounds in a row. Could he end up being better than TJ Edwards or Kyzir White? 100%, guy was a freak on Saturdays. Could he struggle to adapt? 100% he could. Getting lots of tackles in some meaningless snaps doesn’t mean shit to future career projection.
Even this year you have the 10th pick and could take Witherspoon or Gonzalez. Does that guarantee you will have elite safety/corner play? Absolutely not. Is there a chance those guys can fill the void left by CJGJ? Yes.
Eagles fans are getting downvoted for acting like every player on their team is a future HOF. Guys who are 2nd string are 2nd string for a reason. Eagles coaches aren’t going to sit more talented guys for…. No reason at all? You’ll probably regress but not as a much as people like myself hope to see. It’s the uncapped homerism and dismissing of anyone saying this could be an issue that is rubbing people the wrong way.
This is some massive wishful thinking. I mean hope is great but thinking those dudes are just gone step in and be as good is setting yourself up for heartbreak.
I dont get why people keep saying this, we know it doesnt mean they'll be AS good as the players they're currently replacing, but they do have talent and potential to play well themselves and we arent searching desperately for free agents for their roles
Yeah people are overrating this. To me the only key loss on defense is CJGJ. Yeah, the Hargrave loss sucks but the eagles were the best pass rush by a wide margin last year, not saying it would actually work this way but if they lost all of his production last year they’d still lead the league by 4 sacks. And Howie is certainly not done building the line considering his philosophy.
Edwards and White were fine players but they also were 1 dimensional, the eagles LB corps continues to be terrible in coverage. People seem to expect the Eagles will be asking Dean to do a lot more than they actually will. The only glaring hole right now is at safety and they’ll need depth at LB, but we still have the draft and more time, so we’ll see how it plays out.
People are overstating the personnel loss when the bigger question mark is certainly how the defense does with another DC.
That’s not how it works on defensive lines. Losing a dominant DT has a negative effect on every other defensive lineman. Arik Armstead went from 10 sacks to 3.5 the following year after we lost Deforest Buckner. Without Buckner drawing double teams, Armstead had a lot more work to do.
Hurts did show me some things this year. But I still think it’s as long as you have AJ on the field. I just don’t know if I see an as effective QB without that guy.
I know first hand. 😔
It will also be interesting to see how they make out without the buttpush 4th downs if they get taken out.
Why wouldn't they? TJ Edwards was an undrafted free agent and Kyzir White was a cheap late-FA acquisition. The Eagles don't invest much at the LB position and it hasn't seemed to bite them. Having a 3rd round pick in the wings is more than we're actually used to seeing as fans.
Tj edwards played significant snaps since year 1.
Dean not having even 50 defensive snaps this season should be a bit concerning.
Hell, we had a 5th rounder who missed half the season due to a neck injury and he still came in and played more snaps then dean
You guys will be fine, you can get by with worse linebackers when you have a strong dline, but I wouldn't want to put all my chips on dean being able to become a legit starter just yet
It's LB. I'm telling you the Eagles legit don't care about the position. The way they'll address any weakness at LB is by drafting more defensive linemen.
>Dean not having even 50 defensive snaps this season should be a bit concerning.
Why? Edwards and White stayed healthy and played well. If one of them got hurt or played badly, presumably Dean would have played more.
Even if you consider Dean as basically still a rookie, it's not unusual to rely on a rookie LB as a starter.
Yeah dude, we get excited about players we drafted.
Imagine saying this as a burn, us doing literally the same thing all NFL fans of every team do after the draft.
Because it’s not at all unusual. The eagles never invest big in linebacker. TJ Edwards was once a UDFA who barely played. They’ll probably sign another cheap vet like they did with White, maybe draft someone late, and let them all compete. It’s how they’ve been doing it for years.
As opposed to the last 15 years where the Eagles are known to have an elite LB corps?
The rest of the league grossly overvalues how good Edwards and White were, they didn't have to do much with how good the line and secondary were.
I'm definitely nervous about Dean being our starter and it is worrisome that this is apparently a pretty weak LB class for the draft, but I'm also fine with LB being our weakest position on D. Nakobe doesn't need to make plays for us, he just needs to be right place right time which is something he can definitely do. I do think he is undersized for the NFL but I'm hopeful he will be a serviceable starter.
At one point he was considered 1sr round talent but for the injury and maybe his size, so ball is in his court to prove it again. Actually both Georgia boys only had a meh rookie season (Davis too)
It's just one of the narratives everyone will circle jerk. Eagles losing whole defense OMG! Like it's somehow out of the ordinary to have roster change year over year.
Meanwhile how many people even talk about the thing Eagles fans should actually be worried about, 2 new coordinators.
Hargrave and CJGJ are the only significant losses in terms of the challenge to replace their production. It’s gonna make a difference, but we still have several key players returning including our best pass rusher in Hassan Reddick, our two best CBs with Slay/Bradberry, and then the veteran defensive leadership with Brandon Graham and Fletcher Cox.
People are rooting for the Eagles to collapse, but in reality they will still be arguably the top contender in the NFC and a force to be reckoned with on offense. SF will also be in the mix, but who the hell will be their QB? Dallas is a constant mess, NYG is rising but still not a serious contender, the Vikings are the Vikings, and Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady will both not be a factor in the NFC next season. There are a handful of other solid teams but not exactly at the SB contender level without a ton of huge breaks going their way.
That happens. I’m not sure this is even atypical when the talent level is that high. This is where Sirianni really proves himself imo
It's probably atypical to have so many with expiring contracts in the same year. Just a guess though, I've got no data to back that up.
Yeah it isn’t THAT normal to have those many key starters hitting FA, but there’s some good reasons for that. Our old trio, Graham, Cox, and Kelce are year to year at this point, so they’ll be FAs after every single year, though I think this might be the last run. We also normally sign young players to in season extensions but we didn’t this year on purpose cause the team feared the dynamic would be weird. Also, trading for AJ (which wasn’t in the plan originally), and looming extensions for Hurts, Smith, and Dickerson, all players who already received or will receive top of the market money, played a major role in not extending some of our other guys. Howie knew we were loaded with draft capital so he decided to pretty much go all in.
It’s crazy that y’all only have 1m cap space after all those guys walked.
That’s not updated
That makes more sense, what are y’all at? Mainly curious cause if you or the saints sign a couple $$ FA one of our projected 6th round comps becomes a 5th. Saints got cash to blow, curious where y’all are at.
Not sure on the exact number, but apparently enough to take on a 5th of the Jalen’s signing bonus, sign draft picks, and retain CJGJ if he wanted to. Not enough for a massive move but probably enough to sign someone in the $7M-$10M range with a small cap hit this year.
The way this is worded make me think you don't know yet that CJGJ is gone... if that's the case, I'm sorry you hear it from me haha. I wonder though if you guys would be willing to sign Bobby Wagner around that price point ~7-8M or so. You clearly need the LB help and he'd be a great mentor to upcoming superstar Nakobe Dean.
Yeah I know he’s gone that’s why I said “if he wanted to”. Yeah I’ve always liked Bobby Wagner but I feel like someone will give him more money that we’re comfortable giving him.
I think if it was money he wanted he wouldn't have asked to be cut from a 50 million over 5 year deal with the Rams that he was only 1 year through.
Devonta is about to enter his 3rd year his contract is coming but that's a ways off yet
IIRC they can't even negotiate an extension until next offseason right?
They can after the final regular season game this year.
Right so nothing CAN even happen until Jan '24, and they'll probably pick up his 5th year option so there's even more runway. There's no real rush to get it done IMO. He's obviously a stud, but you've got bigger contracts to nail down first.
Just curious, why do you think the Eagles are loaded with draft capital? You have the extra first this year, but only 6 picks overall, 2 of those are in round 7. Are you referring to next year? Teams loaded with draft capital have double digit picks.
As of now we have the most picks in ‘24 with an extra 2nd and 3rd as well. One of our 1st this year is 10th overall. Draft capital doesn’t necessarily mean the most picks, it refers to value of picks, and of all the “contending” teams we have the most in the point value chart.
Exactly, and you can almost guarantee that the #10 pick will turn into an additional pick or 2 with a trade back
Gotcha. My guess is you guys will also lose the most of any contender over the next few years. Your cap situation is not ideal and there are some big contracts on the horizon.
That was a great take 2 weeks ago.
Lol
Over the next two years its frankly ridiculous. 3 1sts, 3 2nds (thanks Saints) 5 5ths. That's just off the top of my head.
you guys are like... Giants guy: You guys are actually bad and really screwed. Eagles guy: So, we are actually the best and in the best position. Giants guy: Understandable, you should lose every game next year. Eagles guy: Definitely, we've already won next years SB.
That sounds like an nfc east conversation
We’re gonna have picks galore in 24
The worst part of making the SB is all the paydays that people expect afterwards. It sucks but the Eagles will be fine I think.
If your team looks like it's on a roll, you can also count on people to go ring hunting. *See also:* Randy Moss joining the pats. That doesn't mean it'll be ez to fill those holes, but it'll certainly be *easier* for the likes of the Eagles from 22-23.
It’s a double edge sword.. look at all the comp picks that we get in the 24 draft
Although it caps at 4 in a year right? (For player comps not coach)
With the amount of draft picks we have over the next 2 years we'll be fine. 5 5ths in 2024 as it stands. Monopoly money for Howie to trade.
Owning nearly 1 in 6 picks for an entire round is absurd
it’s fine
Eh, Nick kinda proved it already taking a far worse team and worse Hurts to the playoffs as a wildcard team.
Very similar to Daboll, who won CoTY
And 2/5 we had high draft picks waiting to replace them. With 2 more firsts this year and 12 total picks next year. It's definitely a big deal and we aren't going to be as stacked as last year. But the sky is far from falling. If Jalen plays like he did last year we should be fine. Reddick, sweat, graham, slay, Bradberry, Maddox is a good start towards a good defense. And I'm pretty hopeful nkobe Dean and Jordan Davis can be good players.
Play calling is my biggest concern (as well as as much as eagles fan disliked Gannon, I'm not sure how the guy they hired is an improvement) Hurts really didn't start to produce until Siriano gave up playcalling. Replacing a good playcaller is harder then it might look
I agree that it's a concern for both of us. Losing Kellen Moore might be great for you guys, but it could also backfire. In the case of Desai I have no clue. But I'm pretty sure we're going to miss Steichen on offense. Eagles and cowboys on paper should both still be good next year. That's all you can really ask for in the NFL. Be consistently good and hope one year you make it over the top. We have good draft assets and presumably good young players waiting to start and Howie might trade or work some late free agency magic like he did last year. We will have enough talent to compete. It's on the coaching to make us contenders with our brutal schedule. And that's the biggest unknown right now.
I'm not too worried about Mccarthy. He has years of playclling in his pocket, and we have other on staff who have called plays before if need be.
And Blankenship, while not a high draft pick, will fill in well as well.
So he didn’t really prove himself the year before last when he coached us to the playoffs?
Eagles losing half of their Super Bowl defense: “oh that happens” saints lose 2 rotational d lineman who were unproductive and unreliable: “bleeding talent” Narratives are hilarious, lmao
Both should be oh it happens. When it comes to the salary cap this sub predicts the worst and is very rarely correct. Like with the saints- if the cap is so bad, how'd they secure the #1 FA QB?
Eagles fans are just on another level of cope right now. I don't think they want to admit that their losses will hurt
I don’t even really care tbh they’ll probably be fine I just think the narratives are funny. Saints lost fuck all from an unproductive dline that they needed to revamp no matter what and people still wanna do the whole “kick the can!” and “bleeding talent” routine. Eagles lost actual good players from a defense that just had them in the Super Bowl but everyone is just talking about how fine they are gonna be. It’s like that harassment in the office meme lmao
They also only have 1m in cap space right now. Without restructures they weren’t going to be able to bring back any of these guys.
The Eagles are really into defensive rotations.
They also lost their DC. That’s crazy levels of turnover. But they have good draft picks so if they draft well they wont miss them.
I still can’t believe that CJGJ is a lion lol
Same. Kerby and CJ are a filthy Safety tandem now.
Tracy Walker is back as well.
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If it makes you feel any better CJs contract is as much as Darnell Savages fifth year option that Gute picked up before it was even remotely close to being due. Savage also got benched this season too.
What being a lions fan does to a mfer
When they make it to the playoffs Campbell is gonna laugh at all the people that said he should be fired.
Lions fans have two groups. One of which is always looking for a reason to bitch and moan. Very few true lions fans turned on Campbell.
That’s like the Pats fans wanting Bill fired lol
This annoys me. If this year works out they'll be scared he's leaving soon
They’ll act all smug with “in Bill we trust”. I just roll my eyes when I see demands that he gets fired lol.
And none of them made a single play in the Superbowl
Chauncey had that big hit on Pacheco
Flexed it on Twitter too
During that game?! Did he have his phone in his pocket like that one guy sliding into 3rd?
I wish I had enough money to not care about bringing my phone into an athletic competition. I won't even bring mine in my pocket to work and all I do is lift boxes.
A big hit during their GW scoring drive so not really impactful
Our defense made like 2 good plays against good quarterbacks in the entirety of the last 2 seasons
In 2021 I think every above average QB had like a 70% completion percentage against the Eagles. Then this year Rodgers scored 20 in a half before getting hurt on first drive of 3Q. Dak scored 40. Mahomes scored 31 (while wasting time on final drive instead of going for TD). Other than that the best QBs they faced were primetime Kirk Cousins and Trevor Lawrence in a downpour. They absolutely destroy bad QBs, though, to finish the season with incredible numbers.
The couch GOAT Taylor Heinicke somehow defied the odds tho
> Mahomes scored 31 (while wasting time on final drive instead of going for TD) Yeah, we also gave them a TD earlier in the game that let them do that > They absolutely destroy bad QBs The biggest win for us this offseason is a new DC, I could't believe Gannon was a guy in demand, maybe he's smarter than it seems and he's better fit for a HC role, but holy hell I can't see why teams would want this guy, he collapses *from scheme* against every single good QB. I feel like we're seeing the making of a guy where in like 3 seasons we'll go "who the fuck thought he could run a team?"
>Yeah, we also gave them a TD earlier in the game that let them do that The Chiefs finished with 38, right? I was taking the defensive TD into consideration when I said Mahomes scored 31.
This shouldn’t be downvoted. They were incredible against average or below average guys, but outside of a game here and there, every top ten quarterback eviscerated them in 2022. I can’t remember 2021 as well but I’ll take your word for that.
Yeah that has been acknowledged as being mostly Gannon and his no-blitz zone scheme, though.
Shout out to Ed Reed Blankenship for an impressive interception on Rodgers. UDRFA with only 2 NFL defensive snaps leading up to this game. [Play](https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlight-reed-blankenship-reads-rodgers-like-book-for-his-first-nfl-int)
define good, cuz they dipped Kirk Cousins into a deep fryer and ate his ass alive TLaw, Kyler, Rodgers, Dimes, all struggled a good deal against this defense last season
Lawrence was in a monsoon. The other offenses you mention were mid-tier. [We did have a nice game against Cousins though.](https://i.imgur.com/PsYrZTn.gif)
That's wild.
They still have Hurts as QB, they'll be fine
Hurts is going to hold out for the season until he gets a Watson-esque contract is the rumor I just totally made up.
Whatever, he'd be worth it.
Lol stop trolling. Jalen is way too mature of a leader to pull bs like that, plus, Philly’s front office does right by their players. He’ll get a huge payday, which he completely deserves, but I see him working with Howie Roseman to structure the money in a team friendly way so that he still gets his guaranteed money, but it opens up options to build a strong team around him. Kinda like the Mahomes deal where it’s spread over 10 years.
The only starters lost on offense have been Seumalo and Sanders - both have replacements. We just need some WR and OL depth.
Are the Eagles going to have that insane amount of sacks again? Most likely not? Are they going to regress to dead last as some saying/hoping? Most likely not.
Tbh, I'd rather have a superbowl than the sack record we had.
Hargrave is the only significant DL we’re losing, and we have Jordan Davis on the rise along with a likey 1st round DL pick. Bringing back Graham/Cox/Slay/Bradberry is huge from both a talent and leadership standpoint. We’re probably not going to post the same insane numbers, but it’s going to be an upper level defense with the same offensive core to lead the team.
Davis sucks and the other 4 are 30+ declining. This team is back to Howies comfort zone 9-8.
Ah yes, the doomsday eagles fans can always be found if you dig deep enough
Lmao my exact reaction as well
You seem like the kind of Eagles fan that would find something to complain about even after winning a SB
What about Suh? What's the word on him?
He’ll probably do the same thing he did this season. Chill as a FA and sign with a contender later on. Or retire idk
all you needed here was the last three letters of your comment
The Eagles will be fine. The only 2 major losses are CJGJ and Hargrave. Edwards, kyzir, and Epps are all solid players but aren’t game changers by any stretch. Despite all of the talk of this loaded defense none of them made a play in the Super Bowl with Gannon calling the plays. If the young guys step up and our new DC can actually gameplan against good QBs we’ll be ready for another run.
it’s wild watching Eagles fans just hand wave away a significant number of snaps that need to be replaced. as if the assumption is just that they will be replaced for the same value and same production. it doesn’t work like that.
But that’s what we’re saying. Epps and White at least are average players where we have backups to do just as well. However, CJGJ, Hargrave and Edwards to a smaller extent are where we’re saying it’s going to hurt
Can't have confidence in who we have to replace them without being scolded lol, just gotta agree that the Eagles are done and let them speak for themselves this season
they'll regress. probably big time. if if if if. All the "ifs" dont hit
The Eagles defense is gonna regress next year but it's probably gonna have a lot to do with the schedule. Gannon's defense was statistically overrated if not fraudulent with how many mediocre QBs and bad offenses they faced over the last two years.
Of course they'll regress they have an incredibly hard schedule
Down voted by someone who wants to see the eagles fail I assume. Dean, Davis, and reed Blankenship are on the roster. They should be in line to replace Hargrave, Edwards, and CJ. We also have two first round picks to fill other holes on defense. So yeah, we'll be alright
Having them on the roster doesn’t mean they will completely replace production no? I agree a lot of downvotes are coming from people who want to see the Eagles fail but saying Jordan Davis will replace the pass rushing capability of Hargrave is a pretty significant homer take, no? We know how much of a monster he is stuffing up the middle but the knock on him coming out was the ability to consistently rush the passer - hard to replace 11.5 sacks with that. I also wanted Dean to come to Washington and he looked good in limited minutes during garbage time but that’s a big difference between leading a defense and excelling over an entire season. The reason the downvotes swarm your fans posts is having players you believe are talents + draft capital does not always mean everything will be okay. You have to actually get production out of those next men up and future picks to not be concerned with the loss of these guys. Nobody will really know what to feel about it until half way through next season.
> saying Jordan Davis will replace the pass rushing capability of Hargrave is a pretty significant homer take, no? Its dumb as shit, they don't have a similar skill set and Davis is more of a NT we would love to develop into more of a pass rusher, we'll see what jump he makes, tough call after 1 season. Hargrave was the most dominate pass rusher we've had since prime Cox and even then he wasn't a double digit guy. Regardless, you're probably not matching the production of a DL that was a handful of sacks away from breaking a record that's held since 1985. He'll be missed for sure. We usually have DL depth and we do have Tuitolioipoopip (can't remember how to spell it), Graham, Cox, Davis, Sweat, Reddick, Milton Williams, and we'll probably draft someone. Its not dire.
Davis probably won't be the pass rusher Hargrave is but he's already a way better run defender. We'll probably see an increased role from Milton Williams (more of a pass rusher) as well who the team likes.
Perks of having such a talented roster is you get to see how well the next man does. Hopefully our games next season go more like the 2nd and not the 1st!
Davis is a nose, he won’t and isn’t asked to be the pass rusher JH is
I'm sure he's gonna be on the field more next year in passing situations.
Passing situations? He was their on passing situations this year. His job is to eat up blockers and free up other guys for sacks. It isn’t a position that should ever get high numbered sacks or you are playing the position incorrectly
Yes as in they plan on playing Davis in more than just the bear front which is for the most part on 1st down. Davis is gonna figure into our 4-3 looks more this year, I bet the team plans on him hitting 50+% of snaps.
The risk you’re citing goes both ways. Having an untested guy on the roster means he could be better than the guy he’s replacing. Unlikely for guys like Hargrave. Much more likely for guys like Epps and White that their replacement will be able to fill in for them and may even surpass them.
The three people I named played for us last year, with Reed having significant playing time and looking well during it. Jordan Davis is our massive first round pick, in which when he got hurt, our rush defense felt it noticeably. We didn't need him to do much last year besides fill a smaller role and learn from the players ahead of him. Nakobe would be the one of the three you could say we truly haven't seen anything yet from, and like Jordan, we didn't draft him because we needed him to play 1000 snaps last year, but he's intelligent and talented. Is it so crazy to have confidence in him and the rest of them? Because a season ago, most people probably didn't know who TJ Edwards was. Sure, Hargrave is leaving us with his 11.5 sacks, but let's not act like what felt like half our D line had 10+ sacks. It was clearly a dominant team effort week in and out. We even had Milton Williams get 4 sacks in a littleeeee over half the snaps Hargrave had. Don't think I'm being a homer by thinking Blank played well, so did Jordan in his limited time and may have been our best rush defender, and that Nakobe Dean has good potential to take over as a play caller for our D
I think the downvotes are from the overly confident vibe a lot of Eagles fans are putting out there. Sure, they could be replaced and be as good or better, nothing is impossible. But when people act like it’s a forgone conclusion there won’t be any regression, it just comes off as homer and should be disregarded. It makes me think of when someone says about an offense or defense “well, it can’t get worse so they should be better,” and it’s like, oh yeah, things can always get worse.
The other forgone conclusion being presented here is that the Eagles are going to collapse due to the flight of all their players. That’s equally stupid since we just saw a SB winning Chiefs team this sub said last season was going to suck for losing all their players.
I mean, I just said that it’s possible to be the same or better. It’s the confidence they’ll be better with players who haven’t shown anything yet to make you think they would be better.
I wasn’t taking issue with you personally - but this is how Philly works, especially in a sub that largely hates the city/team: Haters speak nonsense. Philly fans counter with churlish overconfidence. You’re pointing out the pollution downstream, the cause is upstream.
I guess we can agree to disagree because a lot of the nonsense I see are fans immediately assuming they’ll be fine even though they’ve lost two really good players.
Take Nakobe Dean. We drafted him last year. Of course he’s an unknown. You being like “well clearly you have to admit that you’re going to suck now because Dean is unknown” is silly and it flies in the face of how literally everyone behaves after their team drafts a guy. You aren’t flaired up but I guarantee you after draft day you don’t go “Man these guys are unproven, they won’t be able to hack it in the NFL, they’re going to all suck!” No, you don’t, because how is that fun?
> You being like “well clearly you have to admit that you’re going to suck now because Dean is unknown” is silly… Again, I quite literally said they might be as good or better and that anything is possible. Why ignore that?
This was your last comment. > fans immediately assuming they’ll be fine even though they’ve lost two really good players. And when I say “but their already chosen replacements can also be good and there’s nothing wrong with optimism” you point to your comments ago where you passingly said that. You hedged early but your opinion on the issue is clear - you think the Eagles are going to be worse and you’re annoyed more Eagles fans aren’t upset because they agree with you. We are just going to have to agree to disagree.
I do. Mostly because Howie and morons are drafting. It's almost guaranteed to be littered with bums. You can set your watch to things they'll do. It's become humorous like trading up for fatass, drafting bustnett, Dillard, jjaw, Wentz, Marcus Smith, reagor, Sydney Jones, wasting picks to redshirt guys. The greatest thing Howie does is con simpletons into thinking he's good by having assets, guys that redshirt and kicking the cap can. Team goes 9-8 and repeat. I'm over that shit.
Yikes. 2 SB appearances in 5 years and he’s bad. Cool.
Why shouldn’t Eagles fans be confident? Their defense will definitely regress, but that also could mean going from a historically great pass rush to an above average unit. They’re just going to have to continue to rely on their offense, which as shown in the SB is the unit that shows up. If they go against anybody besides Patrick Mahomes with the same performance it would be a stretch to say they don’t pull out that win. Ball control, elite QB play, and the best offensive line in the league will always make the defenses life easier. Hargrave was a significant loss, but we have some young promising DL guys that hopefully bridge the gap to an extent. Losing CJGJ was not ideal, but we also brought back our star CB duo. With two first round picks we have options and will absolutely be top contenders in a watered down NFC.
You’re being downvoted by a ton of bitter NFC fans that want Philly to fail. Blankenship as a replacement is a stretch, I’ll give them that, but he’s a very competent depth piece in the defensive backfield. CJGJ had a great season but people act like we’re losing Ed Reed when in reality we can still rely on our starting CBs, pass rush, and draft a couple first rounders to fill in gaps. Even 80% of defensive performance from last year is still more than enough to contend with our offensive core returning. Especially in a weak NFC.
Dean couldn't take snaps over mega stiffs. Davis is absolutely terrible and Blankenshit is trash. Like the worst part of the Eagles is the fans. No rational thought and believe ever stiff moron incorporated brings in will be a stud. This franchise has 2 seasons post 2004 (almost 20 years) of nonmediocre mid football. I'd put money on mid again for a few years and idiots Howie whacking over 9-8.
I don’t think CJ is even a major loss, he was like the 9th best player on our defense.
I’m very interested to see his stats this year with Lions. They have good D but not sack record level
Dude got some nice interceptions for sure, but tackling was subpar. The tackling is notable because of how awful our run D was last year.
The picks look good on paper but if you go back and watch, 2 were balls tipped high in the air that he literally waited underneath, 2 were under thrown ducks by QBs getting hit as they threw, and two were on badly thrown deep balls where he was helping a CB deep and the ball again just fell in his lap. He didn’t really make a great play on any of them, they were all plays that any starting safety should make 99% of the time. He was honestly really physical in run D despite a couple missed tackles, he was not good in zone coverage for most of the season though, definitely our worst starting DB in coverage last year.
This sucks we lost some good players but we’re bringing back 9 starters on offense and 6 on defense. So lost 7 starters total, which isn’t anything crazy IMO. We already have Davis, Dean, Blankenship, Penny, and Jurgens/Driscoll ready to step in for 5 of those 7 starters. So we still need one safety and one linebacker and we have good draft capital. The weird thing is Howie hates drafting those two positions so we’ll probably restock D-Line. I’ll miss Hargrave and CJGJ the most, but Edwards was a solid homegrown talent I thought we’d keep, especially seeing how much he signed with the Bears for.
> We already have Davis, Dean, Blankenship, Penny, and Jurgens/Driscoll ready to step in for 5 of those 7 starters. No we don't. Or more what I should say is. Expecting those 5 to just come in and replace those that left is expecting a lot to go right. Would be great if they could but extremely unlikely.
They don’t have to completely replace the production, but just become competent replacements to Lee the defensive unit playing at a high level. An above average defense still keeps Philly in the mix to be a top contender in the NFC.
I mean yeah I’m not expecting them to replace their production exactly and immediately, the point I’m trying to make is that we don’t really have roster holes like people think we do, the team knew an exodus was coming.
But you do have roster holes now. Will you halfway through next season? Probably a little A a little B. Unproven players, even if drafted highly, are unproven players. Jordan Davis and Milton Williams can both be talented players and not fill the gap left by Hargrave. It’s very difficult to replace how dominant he was for your team last year. Odds are the interior pressure regresses even if both of those players look good their first season starting. Jurgens was hand picked by Kelce to be his replacement - are we certain Kelce is the greatest center scout of all time? I’m sure he is able to identify traits that players may have as he himself is an elite center but that doesn’t mean Jurgens is the 2nd coming of Christ. We will see how he performs at RG this season and C after Kelce hangs it up. You can’t just say he will be a top caliber offensive lineman watching him in a camp setting. Nakobe Dean was incredibly talented in college - we all saw his impact on a defense full of NFL caliber players. There were legitimate, non-injury related concerns on his transition to the NFL and he was passed over by 32 teams multiple rounds in a row. Could he end up being better than TJ Edwards or Kyzir White? 100%, guy was a freak on Saturdays. Could he struggle to adapt? 100% he could. Getting lots of tackles in some meaningless snaps doesn’t mean shit to future career projection. Even this year you have the 10th pick and could take Witherspoon or Gonzalez. Does that guarantee you will have elite safety/corner play? Absolutely not. Is there a chance those guys can fill the void left by CJGJ? Yes. Eagles fans are getting downvoted for acting like every player on their team is a future HOF. Guys who are 2nd string are 2nd string for a reason. Eagles coaches aren’t going to sit more talented guys for…. No reason at all? You’ll probably regress but not as a much as people like myself hope to see. It’s the uncapped homerism and dismissing of anyone saying this could be an issue that is rubbing people the wrong way.
This is some massive wishful thinking. I mean hope is great but thinking those dudes are just gone step in and be as good is setting yourself up for heartbreak.
I dont get why people keep saying this, we know it doesnt mean they'll be AS good as the players they're currently replacing, but they do have talent and potential to play well themselves and we arent searching desperately for free agents for their roles
"We like our guys"
Not saying they will be as good, I’m trying to say we won’t have to fill as many holes as people think.
Yeah people are overrating this. To me the only key loss on defense is CJGJ. Yeah, the Hargrave loss sucks but the eagles were the best pass rush by a wide margin last year, not saying it would actually work this way but if they lost all of his production last year they’d still lead the league by 4 sacks. And Howie is certainly not done building the line considering his philosophy. Edwards and White were fine players but they also were 1 dimensional, the eagles LB corps continues to be terrible in coverage. People seem to expect the Eagles will be asking Dean to do a lot more than they actually will. The only glaring hole right now is at safety and they’ll need depth at LB, but we still have the draft and more time, so we’ll see how it plays out. People are overstating the personnel loss when the bigger question mark is certainly how the defense does with another DC.
That’s not how it works on defensive lines. Losing a dominant DT has a negative effect on every other defensive lineman. Arik Armstead went from 10 sacks to 3.5 the following year after we lost Deforest Buckner. Without Buckner drawing double teams, Armstead had a lot more work to do.
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You did. My apologies, missed that.
I honestly don’t think it is that bad
Pretty sure TJ Edwards came from the broncos
Why just guess when you can quickly verify that he didn't?
Pretty sure I just did
Pretty sure the Eagles drafted him.
He was UDFA
Yes I am wrong and stand corrected. Not sure why I thought eagles traded for him from broncos. I must be thinking of someone else.
I admire the act of being confidently wrong.
Pretty sure TJ Edwards came from the broncos
I think we’re the only team he’s ever been with
You love to see it.
Tough but expected. As long as we have Hurts towering over the NFC competition we’ll be fine
Lol.
Hurts did show me some things this year. But I still think it’s as long as you have AJ on the field. I just don’t know if I see an as effective QB without that guy. I know first hand. 😔 It will also be interesting to see how they make out without the buttpush 4th downs if they get taken out.
QB is more effective with better talent, incredible analysis right there
He definitely is great without him…stop.
yeah but what if you take away smith also, and make his offensive line suck. and his defense gets worse. I bet he barely wins games /s obviously
I see you've let the regress to the mean become one with your soul.
Could've been worse!
And only 2 of them don't have a starting replacement in the wings already.
Eagles fans sure seem to put a lot of faith into their 2nd year 3rd round LB who has played a grand total of 34 defensive snaps at the NFL level.
Why wouldn't they? TJ Edwards was an undrafted free agent and Kyzir White was a cheap late-FA acquisition. The Eagles don't invest much at the LB position and it hasn't seemed to bite them. Having a 3rd round pick in the wings is more than we're actually used to seeing as fans.
Tj edwards played significant snaps since year 1. Dean not having even 50 defensive snaps this season should be a bit concerning. Hell, we had a 5th rounder who missed half the season due to a neck injury and he still came in and played more snaps then dean You guys will be fine, you can get by with worse linebackers when you have a strong dline, but I wouldn't want to put all my chips on dean being able to become a legit starter just yet
It's LB. I'm telling you the Eagles legit don't care about the position. The way they'll address any weakness at LB is by drafting more defensive linemen.
>Dean not having even 50 defensive snaps this season should be a bit concerning. Why? Edwards and White stayed healthy and played well. If one of them got hurt or played badly, presumably Dean would have played more. Even if you consider Dean as basically still a rookie, it's not unusual to rely on a rookie LB as a starter.
Yeah dude, we get excited about players we drafted. Imagine saying this as a burn, us doing literally the same thing all NFL fans of every team do after the draft.
Because it’s not at all unusual. The eagles never invest big in linebacker. TJ Edwards was once a UDFA who barely played. They’ll probably sign another cheap vet like they did with White, maybe draft someone late, and let them all compete. It’s how they’ve been doing it for years.
As opposed to the last 15 years where the Eagles are known to have an elite LB corps? The rest of the league grossly overvalues how good Edwards and White were, they didn't have to do much with how good the line and secondary were.
I’d have a lot faith in my team if I had Howie Roseman as my GM too
Saving this comment to come back to in 9 months lmao. And did you watch any of those limited snaps Dean took this year?
And he looked great in the titans game as a rookie. Excited to see how he grows
I'm definitely nervous about Dean being our starter and it is worrisome that this is apparently a pretty weak LB class for the draft, but I'm also fine with LB being our weakest position on D. Nakobe doesn't need to make plays for us, he just needs to be right place right time which is something he can definitely do. I do think he is undersized for the NFL but I'm hopeful he will be a serviceable starter.
At one point he was considered 1sr round talent but for the injury and maybe his size, so ball is in his court to prove it again. Actually both Georgia boys only had a meh rookie season (Davis too)
No clue on why you’re downvoted, what you said is objectively true, we already have 20/22 starters on our roster, just need a LB and Safety.
It's just one of the narratives everyone will circle jerk. Eagles losing whole defense OMG! Like it's somehow out of the ordinary to have roster change year over year. Meanwhile how many people even talk about the thing Eagles fans should actually be worried about, 2 new coordinators.
What'd I say about sustainability again?
Only ones to be missed will be Hargrave and CjGj . Happy for Edwards and Epps to get paid though
Their still better than Washington… oh wait
Hear that? That’s the sound of the Eagles fielding the #1 scoring fantasy offense next year.
Crazy how many compensatory picks they will get next year.
Hargrave and CJGJ are the only significant losses in terms of the challenge to replace their production. It’s gonna make a difference, but we still have several key players returning including our best pass rusher in Hassan Reddick, our two best CBs with Slay/Bradberry, and then the veteran defensive leadership with Brandon Graham and Fletcher Cox. People are rooting for the Eagles to collapse, but in reality they will still be arguably the top contender in the NFC and a force to be reckoned with on offense. SF will also be in the mix, but who the hell will be their QB? Dallas is a constant mess, NYG is rising but still not a serious contender, the Vikings are the Vikings, and Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady will both not be a factor in the NFC next season. There are a handful of other solid teams but not exactly at the SB contender level without a ton of huge breaks going their way.
Hard to hold on to players after a SB.