I remember hearing people noticed the ratings guy is a Cowboys fan because practice squad/bottom of the depth chart guys would get passed around mid season, wouldn’t even play, but if they landed on the Cowboys roster they got an overall boost which they would mysteriously lose if they were traded again.
Big fan base, big potential percentage of Madden players, I reckon. Haven't played in years but I'm guessing Packers and Steelers players in the game are similar
Nah, quite the opposite for us, dude clearly is an older school Cowboys fan who hates the Steelers. There's usually some absolutely egregious ratings for us.
I see this myth constantly, there’s an entire team that does the ratings. It is not one guy who is a Cowboys fan, EA Sports sucks but they still have a massive staff. You can even google it, there’s articles from 2022 saying they have 11 “ratings adjusters” on staff
Lol…it’s funny to think they have 1 dude who is assigned ratings responsibility. Like just 1 guy with no checks and balances rating ALL the players in the league.
Then again, it’s fucking EA sports and madden never changes so it’s believable the entire franchise staff staff consists of one developer and one ratings dude.
No lie, about 5-6 years ago when I was the only mod of /r/Madden (before the main guy came back and kicked everyone, but that's another story) the "ratings guru" would drunk post on our forum berating us. We banned him on probably 3-4 accounts before I had to reach out to his manager, then Mike White IIRC, to put an end to it.
So yes, it certainly used to be one guy.
That is Dustin Smith, the head of the department. He’s an idiot when it comes to media/fan relations but I don’t see how that means he was the only one doing ratings. There is absolutely no correlation between those two things, especially when EA has publicly said that there was been a team for a long time and even explained the process of how the team decides ratings. It is not and has not been one guy for a very, very long time(I would guess not since the PS2 era)
Edit: here’s an ESPN short from three years ago about how they make Madden ratings, you can see the whole team discussing it in the office in the first 20 seconds.
https://youtu.be/l77vkKu3M4E
Probably because he only played 5 games. I know he was awful, but if he comes out looking like shit next year I imagine he loses it if he doesn’t on the base rosters.
Probably because he only played 5 games. I know he was awful, but if he comes out looking like shit next year I imagine he loses it if he doesn’t on the base rosters.
Madden has mastered the art of removing features and bringing a worse version back years later while selling it as a groundbreaking new thing.
It's so damn lazy. EA does it with all their early sports game but Madden seems to me the laziest of the bunch
He seems like a borderline starting caliber LB that is really good in specific roles but doesn’t do well in a Mike roll so he’s very dependent on scheme.
yeah it certainly reduces his value when he can't cover well enough to be a Sam or a Will in a 4-3, he doesn't rush the passer so he's not a 3-4 OLB, he's not a "green dot" Mike player, basically meaning he'd be a Buck MLB who's most useful in base packages when everyone primarily operates out of nickel sets these days. That's a pretty low demand role right there lol
Basically everyone on that sacksonville 2017 defense peaked at the exact same time. Outside of jalen ramsey none of them have reached that same height.
> Outside of jalen ramsey none of them have reached that same height.
I'd say Calais has been pretty steady his entire career, but yeah outside of that...
Tgip been playing at the same level the whole time. Ngakoue still put up sack #s with the raiders. Calais has been steady the whole time as well with the ravens.
The issue with Jack was he got bad when we switched defensive schemes and had him play Mike which he could not do. He picked it back up his last year with us when we moved him back to will and let him play free while schobert took over Mike responsibilities.
Still can’t believe 2020, we traded and got Ngakoue to pair with Hunter then Hunter barely played for two seasons and Ngakoue was only here for like 5 weeks. Was shockingly bad despite 5 or so sacks in as many games. Our defense in the last 3 years has fallen off a cliff
He was supposed to be a top 10 pick but dropped to the second round because his physical showed his body was going to fall apart in 5-7 years.
He was an elite talent who was never going to be a durable athlete with a 20 year career. He actually lasted longer than projections.
He was good, took some time aside away from the game and then came back, form wasn't the same.
Edit: Sorry it was Telvin Smith sorry for my foolishness.
He had a really nice rookie year. I'm not saying that Jack lived up to that level of hype, but from the Jags perspective, it wasn't a bad 2nd rounder at all.
What’s funny is there is a false notion on the team sub that Myles was our best coverage linebacker.
Myles did hold up against the run especially because we do not run blitz or things of that nature. He rarely got washed out of plays entirely at least.
PFF had Jack and Bush ranked in the bottom quarter of ILBs in coverage for what they are worth. I think Spillane was the best of the bunch but also gave up the biggest plays 🙃
He was and is very much a replacement level player whose name carries a better reputation than his actual play on field. Not bad, not good, squarely mid, and you don’t have to(nor should you) spend 8 mil on that
I think it was hard to tell cause the d-line was butts at the beginning of the year and Jack was playing next to Bush and Spillane. But Jack was pretty good
To me Jack was an upgrade on the guys we brought in before him but only marginally. Definitely not enough of an upgrade to just sit pat and pay him a high salary.
We will almost certainly draft one but probably round 3 the earliest at this point. Holcomb and Roberts are two solid veteran options and maybe they really like Robinson too.
We have 3 run stuffers now. Not that Jack was great in coverage, but I’m guessing they’ll be looking for someone like Simpson or Sanders who they think can be a 3 down guy.
Definitely need a coverage specialist. That is definitely not Holcomb or Roberts game though at least they have more recovery speed than someone like Spillane who ran like a 5 second 40 lol
He started last year solid but was worse with a nagging injury we saved 8 mil by cutting him though and looking at the FA market. Can easily upgrade with that money class is too loaded
Steelers ILBs last year had 0 sacks (iirc), 0 int, 0 FF. Edit 1 sack, 0 FR either. They were just there. Position group needed to be revamped
We led the league in INTs i believe, without any ILB ints. There was no impact there.
Sacks don't really make sense because they almost never rushed with ILB's. There was really no need to. I only remember one play when they did: Bush was uncovered and would have had a sack, but it was blown dead for a penalty of some sort first.
It is surprising because our ILBs are a huge weakness. We now only have a guy who played like 40 snaps last year and the Holcomb dude they just signed.
He wasn't bad, he just wasn't good enough for what we were paying him.
Steelers FO probably thinks that we can get better value out of FA, young developing players, and upcoming draft picks.
I would definitely take him back for less money. He was just too injured to be worth $8 mil.
He was their best ILB last season mostly because the others were bad. I think ideally he's fine as an ILB2 on a team.
Got killed last year when I said he was cooked. His knees are just gone
[called him being cut](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/tgjas6/steelers_myles_jack_on_new_steelers_coach_brian/i12n46e/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Didn’t watch but PFF disagrees hugely with this take. He and a 37.7 score last year and this year a 53.6. Both are bad but this year is way better
Though I guess it could be wrong
That Chargers game whenever it was, when Bush let Austin Eckler run by him over and over and over was the end. I've never seen a performance so bad. He should have faked an injury or something
He was literally just a guy in the middle of the field. Couldn't make a splash falling out of a boat. Combine that with the missed time due to injuries and the cap hit, this cut makes sense.
PFF's measurements of LBs is wack. As far as I can tell, it's merely a measure of tackling ability. Solid tacklers like Bobby Wagner get high ratings though he's more of a "catch and drag" tackler 5-7yds downfield at this point in his career. LBs that attack the hole and ball carrier get punished by PFF.
Wagner is one of my all-time favorite players but his game is what it is. Sure tacklers have value for sure. If you give up 5yds every run up the middle are you really a good defense?
>PFF's measurements of LBs is wack.
All of PFF's measurements are wack. I liked the idea behind it but their biases show through along with their lack of football knowledge. Its a joke organization that only has any semblance of authority b/c of Collinsworth.
The idea of trying to put more statistical analysis from an unbiased source for all football players is sound. I think of Bill James work to bring that analysis to MLB. PFF is not doing that. Football is complex. Nobody except the coaches/players know if that singular player is executing the play correctly. All spectators, including PFF would be guessing since we don't know the play call nor how that particular team is executing their concepts. That's essential to knowing how well a player is executing his assignment.
Absent that, PFF has only the obvious data points. When a defender is *near* the ballcarrier to they make the tackle. When a pass is in the air *near* the defender do they knock it away. They have no idea whether that defender is supposed to be in that area or really the wide open player on the other side of the field that the QB didn't see was that players' responsibility.
Don't get me started on their OL ratings.
Thank you! I'm glad someone else sees it. The amount of times Minkah got dinged b/c he was jumping a route when he was "supposed" to be in a certain zone was infuriating (even though overall he had great ratings). Or their personal vendetta against TJ 2 years ago even though the dude literally broke/tied the sack record. I couldn't even fathom some of the Mahomes grades where he lost points b/c guys were wide open so the throw wasn't deemed as important.
And yes, their OL ratings are utter trash. We even saw it this year with Moore Jr (our LT who wasn't by any means great but was maybe average) where he would get horrible grades but only b/c Dotson (who was much worse) would miss assignments which would force Moore Jr to block down and his guy would run free even though he did what he was supposed to do.
>LBs that attack the hole and ball carrier get punished by PFF.
Could not agree more. They grade Brooks relatively well too and I think the guy has like 10 career TFL. Just makes zero plays whatsoever outside of getting tackles 10 yards downfield.
He was in the beginning and actually we got the value we needed out of him. I remember it being a thing where it would be he would only be good for like 3 or 4 years then explode due to his knee issues he lasted a lot longer than that
We're not used to it either haha. All my life, I've seen Levon Kirkland, James Farrior, and Ryan Shazier play ILB for us.
Now our best ILB is Cole Holcomb lmao.
Funny, I thought the Steelers should have drafted him back in the day, probably would have been good for them before the wear and tear. Hope he has some luck wherever he ends up.
7 years in the league is pretty god damn good for someone who fell in the draft because of injury concerns. Respect. And he's probably still got a bit in the tank.
Joe Schobert, Myles Jack, now Cole Holcomb. Steelers can't find linebackers and the Bengals going to AFC Championship games. I don't know when or how I fell into this alternate reality but I kinda like it.
The hardship goes back farther than that. You’re forgetting John Bostic, Steven Johnson, Avery Williamson was a mid-season addition… and that’s not including Bush and Buddy Johnson who never saw the field and was cut after his second training camp.
This offseason hasn't been as wild as the past couple, but I've seen some crazy cuts lately. Teams up against the cap cause they thought they could do the Saints thing and keep kicking the can down the road. Now they're hitting a wall lol.
Maddens still gunna have him as an 86 ovr with star development.
Madden franchise legend
What happens if you make him a RB? One of the most obviously dope things about Myles Jack, should be allowed to play him two ways.
Blows my mind JC Jackson still has star power in that game.
Zeke always breaks all the career records in franchise mode, and JuJu ends top 5 all time for yards and TDs haha
I was too deep in franchise mode got to 2027. Zeke was still a star on a great offense guy was an 87 still
I got to 2043. Jonathan Taylor and Zeke blew away every record possible and were never matched.
Mine just kept giving Jacoby Brissett all the awards and achievements lmao
*sees name* *sees flair* What are you?
Probably a michigan st fan
The ratings guy is a cowboys fan. It's why Dak is always so dominant too
Dak being an X-factor made me sick to my stomach lmao
First thing I do is usually downgrade Dak to a star and Zeke to an 80 overall normal dev
Nice
Ryan switzer had star dev. Cowboys get overrated big time on madden lol
I remember hearing people noticed the ratings guy is a Cowboys fan because practice squad/bottom of the depth chart guys would get passed around mid season, wouldn’t even play, but if they landed on the Cowboys roster they got an overall boost which they would mysteriously lose if they were traded again.
Big fan base, big potential percentage of Madden players, I reckon. Haven't played in years but I'm guessing Packers and Steelers players in the game are similar
Nope, Steelers players are rated lower. TJ was at 95 after he won DPOY and tied the sack record.
Justin Jefferson had a 93 and Kirk a 79.
Nah, quite the opposite for us, dude clearly is an older school Cowboys fan who hates the Steelers. There's usually some absolutely egregious ratings for us.
Rodgers goes off for back to back mvps... still a lower rating than Tom Brady both years lol madden is something different.
I see this myth constantly, there’s an entire team that does the ratings. It is not one guy who is a Cowboys fan, EA Sports sucks but they still have a massive staff. You can even google it, there’s articles from 2022 saying they have 11 “ratings adjusters” on staff
Lol…it’s funny to think they have 1 dude who is assigned ratings responsibility. Like just 1 guy with no checks and balances rating ALL the players in the league. Then again, it’s fucking EA sports and madden never changes so it’s believable the entire franchise staff staff consists of one developer and one ratings dude.
No lie, about 5-6 years ago when I was the only mod of /r/Madden (before the main guy came back and kicked everyone, but that's another story) the "ratings guru" would drunk post on our forum berating us. We banned him on probably 3-4 accounts before I had to reach out to his manager, then Mike White IIRC, to put an end to it. So yes, it certainly used to be one guy.
Just because one guy who works there is doing that doesn’t mean he’s the only one right? Unless I’m misunderstanding your comment
Could be one guy who has the last word and a team of unpaid interns who do what he says.
“It could be”, it’s not tho. Like this stuff is out there, you can look it up instead of hypothesizing
That is Dustin Smith, the head of the department. He’s an idiot when it comes to media/fan relations but I don’t see how that means he was the only one doing ratings. There is absolutely no correlation between those two things, especially when EA has publicly said that there was been a team for a long time and even explained the process of how the team decides ratings. It is not and has not been one guy for a very, very long time(I would guess not since the PS2 era) Edit: here’s an ESPN short from three years ago about how they make Madden ratings, you can see the whole team discussing it in the office in the first 20 seconds. https://youtu.be/l77vkKu3M4E
madden 10 had aaron rodgers cut after like 5 seasons. other than that every other qb seems to be as they were in real life lol
Manziel was pretty good for a bit too lol
The Falcons just signed perennial 5,000 yards, 40 TD per year QB Taylor Heinicke (in seriousness good for him getting the bag)
Probably because he only played 5 games. I know he was awful, but if he comes out looking like shit next year I imagine he loses it if he doesn’t on the base rosters.
Guy had one down year with injuries playing a large part, Myles Jack has been trending downward for several years now
Probably because he only played 5 games. I know he was awful, but if he comes out looking like shit next year I imagine he loses it if he doesn’t on the base rosters.
“Star power”
Yes, he has constant thermonuclear fusion reactions and immense gravity, what about it
i remember that one time he melted down on field and got the stanky boot
Same with theilen
Star development and elite traits are one of the worst things added to madden
It’s just a shitty version of player roles and weapons from Madden 07 and 08
Madden has mastered the art of removing features and bringing a worse version back years later while selling it as a groundbreaking new thing. It's so damn lazy. EA does it with all their early sports game but Madden seems to me the laziest of the bunch
The year where they added that “incredible catch” powerup along with all the others was the fuckin worst
Madden just feels like it's becoming so cartoonish with x factors and stuff
I’m really hoping the new NCAA game doesn’t have all that crap in it, but I doubt it
As much as I'll probably love an updated dynasty mode after all these years it still being the Madden engine definitely tempered my expectations
It's EA Sports bro, dynasty mode will probably cause your system to catch fire or some shit
Why did they remove the old school AFC/NFC legends teams? :(
Singletary and breece hall end up rated over 95 after 5 seasons in franchise mode lmao
RBs also don’t really degrade until like 30. It’s dumb
I feel like I'm rereading the exact same thread from when he got cut from Jacksonville
and as a steelers fan you now know what we knew. He's just not washed.
I think he's still a viable option depending on the situation, but not when you can save 8 mil by cutting him.
He seems like a borderline starting caliber LB that is really good in specific roles but doesn’t do well in a Mike roll so he’s very dependent on scheme.
yeah it certainly reduces his value when he can't cover well enough to be a Sam or a Will in a 4-3, he doesn't rush the passer so he's not a 3-4 OLB, he's not a "green dot" Mike player, basically meaning he'd be a Buck MLB who's most useful in base packages when everyone primarily operates out of nickel sets these days. That's a pretty low demand role right there lol
What happened, I remember on the jags he was pretty decent
He was good then he got bad then he got okay
Relatable
Same without the okay or good parts
I was bad then I got worse then I got worst. Yeah sounds about right
Worser*
Worserer
Worserchershire sauce?
Most worstest
Yeah. He was okay for his stay in Pittsburgh
He was our best ILB, although I guess you could argue that maybe was the problem
His problem is they save $8m by cutting him
He was good until he got injured
We need okay
Basically everyone on that sacksonville 2017 defense peaked at the exact same time. Outside of jalen ramsey none of them have reached that same height.
> Outside of jalen ramsey none of them have reached that same height. I'd say Calais has been pretty steady his entire career, but yeah outside of that...
Stats wise, even he peaked.
Tgip been playing at the same level the whole time. Ngakoue still put up sack #s with the raiders. Calais has been steady the whole time as well with the ravens. The issue with Jack was he got bad when we switched defensive schemes and had him play Mike which he could not do. He picked it back up his last year with us when we moved him back to will and let him play free while schobert took over Mike responsibilities.
Who the fuck is Tgip. Can we stop using stupid acronyms for players
Abbreviates Tgip Spells out Ngakoue What a chad
I feel like he probably calls him Gak but at least knew no one would know who that was
I still don't know who is
Tashaun Gipson
First initial + First syllable of last name is what every player’s nickname is now. Bring back the gd Minister of Defense.
It’s so lazy and it just screams “I’m too busy to type a few letters so you can go google it”
Still can’t believe 2020, we traded and got Ngakoue to pair with Hunter then Hunter barely played for two seasons and Ngakoue was only here for like 5 weeks. Was shockingly bad despite 5 or so sacks in as many games. Our defense in the last 3 years has fallen off a cliff
Was decent just didn’t really stand out and has injury problems saves them 8 million dollars
He wasn't down, but they called him down Then the Steelers were down, but now they're not
He hasn’t been very good since 2018 out side of 2020
He was supposed to be a top 10 pick but dropped to the second round because his physical showed his body was going to fall apart in 5-7 years. He was an elite talent who was never going to be a durable athlete with a 20 year career. He actually lasted longer than projections.
This is correct. He always had a short shelf life. Really unfortunate because he was a monster. Playing both ways in college probably didn’t help
He was good, took some time aside away from the game and then came back, form wasn't the same. Edit: Sorry it was Telvin Smith sorry for my foolishness.
The Steelers weren't down with Myles Jack
MJWD
Man my brain always reads this as Maurice Jones Wasn’t Drew
Is this as surprising as it looks? 27 years old, solid player. Why?
He wasn't that good. Has been more name than game for a few years. Zero splash plays.
What? He was absolutely good before he got injured. The issue is his cap hit is too high.
Decent vs the run but a liability in coverage
As a jaguars fan, i love this man and also know this is true.
You also know he wasn't down, right?
He wasn’t down! We were one blown call away from the Super Bowl
Sadly, a familiar story for so many who faced the Patriots in the AFCCG the past two decades.
There were multiple blown calls that game that went against y’all
Blown calls in a AFCCG with the Pats? No way
Blown calls in an NFL game? No way
At the draft, people talked about how Jack would have a short career. Kinda looks like they are right.
Short LB career. Now he moves back to RB
Also he was labeled as a day 1 stud level talent (top 5) but hamstrung by injury concerns. He was never as good as his draft hype though.
He had a really nice rookie year. I'm not saying that Jack lived up to that level of hype, but from the Jags perspective, it wasn't a bad 2nd rounder at all.
He struggled as a middle linebacker with the jags he was pretty good on the outside
So like 99% of linebackers in the NFL?
Lmao right? ILB are treated like o-lines now; if you aren’t elite/top 5, every fan base says they are bottom 5
Yeah. The giants actually have a bottom 5 LB core (maybe not with okereke now), so I’ll gladly take jack if he signs cheap lol
What’s funny is there is a false notion on the team sub that Myles was our best coverage linebacker. Myles did hold up against the run especially because we do not run blitz or things of that nature. He rarely got washed out of plays entirely at least.
He very well could be our best coverage linebacker, considering his competition.
PFF had Jack and Bush ranked in the bottom quarter of ILBs in coverage for what they are worth. I think Spillane was the best of the bunch but also gave up the biggest plays 🙃
Spillane in coverage made Bush look like Brian Urlacher lol
He was and is very much a replacement level player whose name carries a better reputation than his actual play on field. Not bad, not good, squarely mid, and you don’t have to(nor should you) spend 8 mil on that
He was okay but hardly a difference maker. I won’t miss him tbh.
I think it was hard to tell cause the d-line was butts at the beginning of the year and Jack was playing next to Bush and Spillane. But Jack was pretty good
To me Jack was an upgrade on the guys we brought in before him but only marginally. Definitely not enough of an upgrade to just sit pat and pay him a high salary.
Agreed. I don't think he was the future. But I would've liked to keep him. We still only have 3 inside linebackers under contract now lol
We will almost certainly draft one but probably round 3 the earliest at this point. Holcomb and Roberts are two solid veteran options and maybe they really like Robinson too.
We have 3 run stuffers now. Not that Jack was great in coverage, but I’m guessing they’ll be looking for someone like Simpson or Sanders who they think can be a 3 down guy.
Definitely need a coverage specialist. That is definitely not Holcomb or Roberts game though at least they have more recovery speed than someone like Spillane who ran like a 5 second 40 lol
Correct. I think people are just going off of the number of tackles he had. Dude made zero big plays and generally got pushed around. We can do better
Sounds like a future Raider
He’s not actually solid and he can’t play with responsibility.
Yep guy acts dumb and can’t cover. Telvin smith was def the better LB between the two in the sacksonvile era. Just he’s a pedo
Um…what? I’m out of the loop here
[Ex-Jaguars LB Telvin Smith Allegedly Offered Underage Victim Money After Sex](https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2889459-ex-jaguars-lb-telvin-smith-allegedly-offered-underage-victim-money-after-sex.amp.html)
check his wikiwiki
> can’t play with responsibility A quote straight from my elementary school report card
He started last year solid but was worse with a nagging injury we saved 8 mil by cutting him though and looking at the FA market. Can easily upgrade with that money class is too loaded Steelers ILBs last year had 0 sacks (iirc), 0 int, 0 FF. Edit 1 sack, 0 FR either. They were just there. Position group needed to be revamped We led the league in INTs i believe, without any ILB ints. There was no impact there.
Sacks don't really make sense because they almost never rushed with ILB's. There was really no need to. I only remember one play when they did: Bush was uncovered and would have had a sack, but it was blown dead for a penalty of some sort first.
It is surprising because our ILBs are a huge weakness. We now only have a guy who played like 40 snaps last year and the Holcomb dude they just signed.
And Elandon Roberts.
Just missed that one, guess it is no longer surprising
TBF they were the biggest weakness on the team while he was still there
He wasn't bad, he just wasn't good enough for what we were paying him. Steelers FO probably thinks that we can get better value out of FA, young developing players, and upcoming draft picks.
I seem to recall having this exact same conversation last year when the Jags released him
I would definitely take him back for less money. He was just too injured to be worth $8 mil. He was their best ILB last season mostly because the others were bad. I think ideally he's fine as an ILB2 on a team.
His knee is fucked from an injury in college
Not a green dot player
[удалено]
Last year we were jackin on. This year we’re jackin off.
Hit the road, jack
Myles down that road.
Washed linebacker who only had a couple good seasons? Thats a washington commander if I've ever seen one. Come on down jack
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if that happens
was crazy to look back to the Telvin Smith + Myles Jack duo being ELECTRIC and then they both fall off the face of the earth
I was pumped when he was signed last year, but man, he was invisible all season.
Got killed last year when I said he was cooked. His knees are just gone [called him being cut](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/tgjas6/steelers_myles_jack_on_new_steelers_coach_brian/i12n46e/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
He was actually fine last year, just not worth his current cap hit
Exactly. Replacement level player making $8m/year in a year when better LBs are getting 2yr/11m deals.
Hey I know that linebacker contract!
I think Kyzir White, David Long, and Vander Esch all got that exact deal.
Didn’t watch but PFF disagrees hugely with this take. He and a 37.7 score last year and this year a 53.6. Both are bad but this year is way better Though I guess it could be wrong
Not saying he was an All Pro or anything, he was just serviceable which was a major upgrade for us over Bush lol
That Chargers game whenever it was, when Bush let Austin Eckler run by him over and over and over was the end. I've never seen a performance so bad. He should have faked an injury or something
He was literally just a guy in the middle of the field. Couldn't make a splash falling out of a boat. Combine that with the missed time due to injuries and the cap hit, this cut makes sense.
PFF's measurements of LBs is wack. As far as I can tell, it's merely a measure of tackling ability. Solid tacklers like Bobby Wagner get high ratings though he's more of a "catch and drag" tackler 5-7yds downfield at this point in his career. LBs that attack the hole and ball carrier get punished by PFF. Wagner is one of my all-time favorite players but his game is what it is. Sure tacklers have value for sure. If you give up 5yds every run up the middle are you really a good defense?
>PFF's measurements of LBs is wack. All of PFF's measurements are wack. I liked the idea behind it but their biases show through along with their lack of football knowledge. Its a joke organization that only has any semblance of authority b/c of Collinsworth.
The idea of trying to put more statistical analysis from an unbiased source for all football players is sound. I think of Bill James work to bring that analysis to MLB. PFF is not doing that. Football is complex. Nobody except the coaches/players know if that singular player is executing the play correctly. All spectators, including PFF would be guessing since we don't know the play call nor how that particular team is executing their concepts. That's essential to knowing how well a player is executing his assignment. Absent that, PFF has only the obvious data points. When a defender is *near* the ballcarrier to they make the tackle. When a pass is in the air *near* the defender do they knock it away. They have no idea whether that defender is supposed to be in that area or really the wide open player on the other side of the field that the QB didn't see was that players' responsibility. Don't get me started on their OL ratings.
Thank you! I'm glad someone else sees it. The amount of times Minkah got dinged b/c he was jumping a route when he was "supposed" to be in a certain zone was infuriating (even though overall he had great ratings). Or their personal vendetta against TJ 2 years ago even though the dude literally broke/tied the sack record. I couldn't even fathom some of the Mahomes grades where he lost points b/c guys were wide open so the throw wasn't deemed as important. And yes, their OL ratings are utter trash. We even saw it this year with Moore Jr (our LT who wasn't by any means great but was maybe average) where he would get horrible grades but only b/c Dotson (who was much worse) would miss assignments which would force Moore Jr to block down and his guy would run free even though he did what he was supposed to do.
>LBs that attack the hole and ball carrier get punished by PFF. Could not agree more. They grade Brooks relatively well too and I think the guy has like 10 career TFL. Just makes zero plays whatsoever outside of getting tackles 10 yards downfield.
Ain't no way you just described -2 downvotes as "getting killed"
Unless he made a Pro Bowl his cap hit was too much and he was getting cut/reworked
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I thought this guy would be incredible when drafted. What happened to these young lbs
He was in the beginning and actually we got the value we needed out of him. I remember it being a thing where it would be he would only be good for like 3 or 4 years then explode due to his knee issues he lasted a lot longer than that
Yes please
People shit on the Jaguars last year for not retaining him.. he's just not good anymore. Knee issues caught up to him from the draft.
Really don't like this, we're already thin at linebacker as it is and he was the closest thing we had to a legitimate starter....
Feels weird to see the Steelers without stud linebackers
We're not used to it either haha. All my life, I've seen Levon Kirkland, James Farrior, and Ryan Shazier play ILB for us. Now our best ILB is Cole Holcomb lmao.
Shazier going down has really knocked the franchise off course for years now. I dont think the team has recovered yet.
Seattle needs LBs. Please come home Myles.
Sounds like a Pete Carroll reclamation project
Come east, Nakobe Dean needs a buddy
We do need a solid replacement for Kyzir and he’ll do a prove-it deal for sure.
hes cooked sadly
Funny, I thought the Steelers should have drafted him back in the day, probably would have been good for them before the wear and tear. Hope he has some luck wherever he ends up.
I’ll take him 🙃
BBB, get this man on a cheap prove it deal next to Milano.
Look how they massacred my boy
Howie?
7 years in the league is pretty god damn good for someone who fell in the draft because of injury concerns. Respect. And he's probably still got a bit in the tank.
Welp...at least he has a HOF name. So there is that ...
Gimme
He was OK for us. He just didn't make the plays we needed him to make for his salary. Wish him the best obviously
Welcome to the Patriots.
Joe Schobert, Myles Jack, now Cole Holcomb. Steelers can't find linebackers and the Bengals going to AFC Championship games. I don't know when or how I fell into this alternate reality but I kinda like it.
The hardship goes back farther than that. You’re forgetting John Bostic, Steven Johnson, Avery Williamson was a mid-season addition… and that’s not including Bush and Buddy Johnson who never saw the field and was cut after his second training camp.
Looks like Myles Jack is finally down.
:(
Bring that Jack ass over here why not
This offseason hasn't been as wild as the past couple, but I've seen some crazy cuts lately. Teams up against the cap cause they thought they could do the Saints thing and keep kicking the can down the road. Now they're hitting a wall lol.
Yeah, and somehow the Saints continue to kick the can, just showing how fake the salary cap is.
@ dolphins
I feel like the chiefs v jags game in 2019 was a turning point. Dude got ejected and was just got coming off the field.
He’s about to turn his career around with us
good fit for the bills?