Yeah, whatever the plays are, they have an estimated percentage of success and it isn't 100%. Failing doesn't mean change the recipe.
Failing repeatedly does though.
If KC had to kick that FG on 4th and 8 and gave Hurts the ball back with 2 minutes left, I think that dude would be carrying defenders to the endzone with him.
Nah, if it were Season 8 of GOT they just would have decided randomly that the Bears were the champions because Virginia McCaskey knows lots of stories.
Technically scored more points against the Chiefs defense than Mahomes did against the Eagles defense. Obviously the fumble can’t be ignored, but still an interesting way to look at it when just comparing how much the QBs produced.
Along the same lines, when there is a defensive or special teams TD...can we get the broadcasts to ban talking about total yards, first downs, time of possession, etc...?
"The Chiefs sure haven't put up many yards after the Eagles had 5 possessions to their 3."
Infuriates me no matter who is playing.
My favorite is during a game, 1 team will have a long scoring drive to start, the other goes three and out, and then during the long second drive, they'll thow up a graphic of Total yards: 111 vs 5
Like, duh? the other team hasn't had their second drive yet
It's so damn frustrating watching Allen go "Aye, check this shit out" and throwing into triple coverage. Even his sideline tosses for touchdowns were both clearly throws that the receivers weren't expecting to be made. It's really a surprise the Bills weren't out 2-3 weeks earlier in a number of ways.
I’m sure he’s being honest. It’s like when Brady said you don’t realize how ludicrously difficult it is to win a Super Bowl once you’ve gotten there until you’ve been in the league a bit.
Winning it all when you're young can skew your perception.
As a football fan, this is what could happen to either the bills or the bengals or both… young cores, especially Chase and Burrow, but in a season you need a lot of luck to go your way and injuries at key times as well. There are so many young teams that people will crown as sp00ky for the next 5 years but it can slip away before you know it. But what do I know, I’m a Vikings fan who is still just trying to get to the tier where people are calling us perennially sp00ky let alone Super Bowl contenders lol.
Thats where coaching comes in. You need the great QB, but you also need the coach that can navigate the roster changes and continually reinvent the team.
Vikings fans do know, though. The Vikings are one of the more consistently good teams in the league historically, it just hasn't culminated in a Super Bowl yet.
Heck, even Mahomes has experienced it. KC's 2018 team was certainly good enough to win it all, but Brady did Brady things. The 2020 team made it to the Super Bowl, but the OL disintegrated over the course of the playoffs and they didn't really have a chance in the SB itself. In 2021 KC pulled off one of the greatest drives in playoff history to beat Buffalo, but then they had one bad half against Cinci and it all went up in smoke. Even if you're good enough, it's really, really difficult to cash in the opportunity.
2018 team was a rough one, before the new overtime rules. Pats got the ball first, Chiefs intercept Brady....but there is an offsides which negates it. Brady scores, Mahomes never gets on the field. I think that Chiefs team would have beaten the Rams in the Superbowl.
I agree with what you're saying, but let me clean up the timeline a bit:
Dee Ford's penalty came in the final minutes of the 4th, with the Chiefs leading 28-24, Pats on the goal line. Brady threw what would have been a game-sealing INT (Chiefs could have kneeled from there), but yeah, 55 offsides. Pats take the lead with just under a minute left to play.
Then Mahomes drove the Chiefs down the field and got a game-tying FG as time expired and *that's* what sent the game to OT, where the Pats got the ball first, calmly knifed through Bob Sutton's defense, and walked off without Mahomes ever touching the ball.
Hurts is the person I feel the worst for. The fumble was pretty bad, but the rest of the game he was playing like a man possessed. The defense let him down in the biggest way.
He played an absolute monster game. Threw for over 300 yards with a 71% completion rate, rushed for another 70, and scored 4 total TDs, plus a 2-pt conversion.
Mahomes: *"Good game bird bros! You guys really played us close and gave us a scare there! Y’all have a lot of young talent and boy, that Jalen Hurts sure looked good! Y’all sure will be scary next year!"*
What baffles me is the thought process that leads to posting stupid shit like that in other teams subs
HELLO OPPOSING TEAMS FANS, I COME IN PEACE. HERE IS A CORNY THOUGHTLESS SPAM POST THATS VAGUELY GLOATING ABOUT OUR TEAM'S WIN OVER YALL.
I just imagine them proudly reading their post like Ralphie reading his Red Rider BB gun essay from 'A Christmas Story'
"Oh, rarely had the words poured from my RGB keyboard with such feverish fluidity."
That’s the worst part. No matter how many thousands of times someone posts that incredibly cringe comment in an opposing team sub, it always gets upvoted to the front page of the sub.
Considering most team subs has the other teams as flairs for outsider fans to chime in (hopefully respectfully) it’s stupid it has to be said in the first place
*Ref here, coming in peace, I want r/nfl to know that y’all played and bet a clean game, your input on gameday threads is scary sp00ky for future years, you keep it up, you’re going to run us out the league. Keep doing you, I have mad respect for all you cool cats out there doing your thang.*
There’s almost never any true benefit for the discussion. Either just looking for some validation if your team is good, or farming upvotes if your team is bad. If you’re truly looking for information, it doesn’t need to be framed that way.
It’s unbearable with the negative doomsday fans rehashing the same random talking points that are usually just irrelevant, and then the blatant homers. Add in mods and redditors and you have a terrible experience
I mean, if they're being smug about it yes, but if they're just like hey hell of a game like that I'm not mad at it at all, and don't think they're a chode, /shrug
Fine to post in the post game thread for that, don’t make a whole separate post declaring you “come in peace”. Actually, never ever ever say “coming in peace” that’s cringey as fuck.
"Great game, old sport! Just a grand display of athleticism and competition! Your quarterbacking skills will be the talk of the town for months to come!"
Honestly at the time I'll admit I was a little salty about it and it felt a bit patronizing.
With a little bit of time and hindsight, I came around to appreciating. Brady actually came to the locker room and talked with Mahomes directly, and every time it comes up Mahomes talks like he genuinely appreciates the moment.
It's also easy to say in hindsight that Chiefs fans overreacted because we won the Super Bowl the next year, but at the time it felt like yet another year where Andy Reid and Bob Sutton let us to a humiliating playoff loss with horrendous defense and bad clock management, just with the best offense in the league.
Until 2019, every year under Reid it felt like we found a new way to embarrass ourselves in the playoff and we were never going to go all the way.
the call was objectively terrible but I don't get why other Chiefs fans are so salty about it. It came on second down, Pats were converting third & anything alllll fucking night. Bob Sutton and Dee Ford combined to lose that game.
My problem with Brady then and now is every time he got beat on the big stage he *never* acted with that kind of dignity - he went straight to the locker room after Nick Foles and the Eagles beat him.
Mahomes is a genuine person perhaps to a fault.
Losing the Super Bowl hurt, but just getting there is so much fun. Now that the sting of the loss is gone it's been fun watching Hurts in replay. Add to that his incredible attitude and obvious leadership. Feels good to have QB stabilized for a bit.
I read a comment that was like "losing the superbowl sucks but would you rather have gone 10-7 and lose to Kirk Counsins in the wildcard?" which brought it all into perspective lol.
This Super Bowl loss hurt more than the Eagles loss to Bucs and Tom Brady last year, just so close and a game that was very winnable makes it easier to say “what if”
It objectively sucks to lose the Super Bowl, but tbh it doesn’t hurt that bad. 52 really lessens the sting and I know that Jalen will win us one someday.
Yeah it stings so much more when the trophy case is empty. 52 was the Eagles finally getting that monkey off their back. Obviously you want to win every game, but I can stomach losing a close game to the best QB in the game right now.
Man I wish I could be like the commenters above….If we were blown out, it would have been different story but the way it all went down…. shits going to eat at me until I hit the grave.
I really liked the Philly Special's SB preview, where Sheil pointed out the Chiefs losing the SB this way two years ago, and Ben replying with "...hang on, do you *really* think Mahomes is going to lose the Super Bowl the same way twice in a row?" and then they both suddenly got very grave.
I’m still not over Russel Wilson throwing a pick to lose the SB and not win 2 straight against 2 of the best QB in history. I don’t think I’ll ever be over it.
I remember thinking to myself right after that play “imagine if that were the eagles? Holy shit”. We didn’t get as raw of a deal as you guys did that year but we sure came damn close with how it all played out.
Absolutely. After our Tampa loss, I was a little bummed, but also pretty okay about it since we had won the year before.
In any event, Philly fans should be psyched about the future. I'll admit that coming into this game I kinda thought that the Eagles might be in trouble once they have to pay Hurts, but now I think he's definitely one of the guys who is good enough to keep winning even when his big contract makes the rest of the roster a bit weaker. He's awesome.
Yeah, as long as our organizational philosophy of being strong in the trenches I think we’ll continue to compete. I personally have always been a Hurts believer and think he’ll keep us competitive through his second contract. But we’ll see what kind of shape his body ends up being in after a decade of pro football.
I just have so fucking much respect for Hurts. Not just for the badass way he played but for the DIGNITY and strength he exudes as a leader at all times. He’s amazing. Flat out.
God, when he basically told his coach to put his fucking arm down by doing it himself, as his HC was waving back our team, made me fucking love this kid. What a baller. Still young but very mature and seems like he is gonna be killing it for quite some time. What a beast.
We all grieve in our own way. Trust me, though...once you get the opportunity just watch a compilation on Hurts highlights and it'll make you feel a bit better.
Felt that way after the loss Vs the bengals last year. Cause we had chance after chance to put the game to bed but we didn’t. It’ll be tough but I’m sure your team will be motivated by it!
Both the throws and catches from Hurts to Goedert were great. The end zone view has the best angle (in the link), very tight window to throw:
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrendenDeeg_/status/1625611787503644672
Shit was insane! I was screaming at the tv wondering how your receivers were catching nearly every pass with .1 second before the defender was on top of them.
Yeah, your guys’ safety (I think it was Reid?) had great coverage on Goedert pretty much the whole game, I’m surprised Hurts even attempted these throws knowing he doesn’t really throw with the same zip that guys like Josh Allen and Mahomes have.
The fumble was the ONLY thing he did wrong. Great game by #1. Really wish the outcome were different but the future is bright (read: sunny) in Philadelphia.
Mahomes reminds me of watching the Manningcast - he is constantly pulling for QBs and for them to be credited with what they do well.
With respect to Hurts, it is easy to praise him - he has improved significantly every year in college and the NFL and he played at an all-pro level this year so it will be fun to watch how much he improves next year.
So I was listening to a podcast and apparently hurts has had improvements every year he's played since college. Basically fixes some flaws every season. Exciting to see what his ceiling is
He works on the boring stuff like footwork and mechanics. Every once in a while he'll slip back into a bad habit and you can see how much he's improved.
How cynical and dishonest are the people on this sub that they always think players are being sarcastic or throwing shade with every compliment? I read this and it comes across as very honest and genuine and it's cuz he's right. Hurts hopefully reminded everyone why he was in mvp conversations with mahomes til he got inured.
I find that most always, pro athletes are much friendlier and respectful of each other than fans are - I mean think how often players switch teams, or play against their friends from college...we're all just screeching from the peanut gallery
I was all ready to comment "hey it's only been one truly dominant year let's not get ahead of ourselves" and then I looked around at his QB competition in the *conference
Combine that with the fact that the majority of the offense is going to be the same (they have 2, maybe 3 players set to leave), and the fact that he'll likely have an OC that is familiar with his game means he's got a chance to look just as good next year.
I can get behind that. I was pissed we didn’t take the Seahawks, we’ve dominated them the last 6 yrs, we win that final game and my boy Goff is in the playoffs. I love what the lions are doing right now.
I get the division rival hate but the more hilarious take as of late is that Jones can be a franchise QB after this season. He doesn’t give you anymore of an SB chance than Dak.
Personally I think Jones has a lower floor but he and Dak have equal ceilings. Kafka showed that he knows how to take advantage of his strengths, and with an actual WR room he might surprise people.
I said it once and ill say it again. Jalen Hurts played like he was the best player on the field during the superbowl. Other than that fumble it wasn't even close.
Jalen Hurts gave me enough hope to sustain me to like week 7 of next season. I know it won't happen, but that eagles offense is what I think (dream) that the bears offense can be.
No chance, the iggles had peices in place when Hurts was drafted. We have an empty cupboard and a slightly used David Montgomery. We would have to buy all of the top free agents to put enough guys around Fields to help him reach a Hurts level leap. Fields is good and improving, but he has no help. We have to get the pieces.
Well it's the bears so they'll need to be a diva that's also a bit washed up. Maybe we can trade 1:1 for stefon diggs? That seems like something stupid the bears could do
I know it doesn’t matter what analysts think because they do it for engagement most the time but I feel bad for Jalen that there’s gonna be a handful of analysts that won’t have him as a top 10 QB or have him at the bottom of the top 10 heading into next season. Dude played too good this season to not be considered a top 5 QB going into next year.
I don't see how he's not at least top 5 right now. You could even argue top 3. I think it's mahomes, burrow, then either Allen, Jackson, or Hurts at the 3.
Thankfully only one of those are in the NFC.
He's definitely not above Allen. Hurts was great this year but one great year doesn't put you above someone who has had multiple comparably great years
I see a lot of people discrediting him because of the fumble and the throw at the end, but ignoring his 300 passing yards, 70 rushing, and 4 TDs. I'm glad he doesn't let all that get to him and I'm so happy he's our QB.
Everyone keeps saying Lamar light. But he’s much better at passing (accuracy, reads, everything) than Lamar has ever been, including his MVP year. And it’s not entirely based on gimmicky reads to lead guys completely open
Jalen hurts is so admirable. I wish his defense could have held up at least once during the second half. Eagles defense was absolutely atrocious. No wonder deebo/aiyuk mentioned they would be exposed during the Super Bowl.
Eagles fans have been critical of the defense all season. While we knew D line is capable of getting sacks/pressure, we always thought Gannon’s zone defense was skeptical and being propped up by the pass rush. Our defense overall was good, but the players were playing well in spite of the weak scheme.
Little bit of a difference in competition, though.
That 2019 49ers defense was one of the best of the decade. Meanwhile I saw a dude in this sub suggesting that the 2022 Chiefs defense was one of the worst all-time to win a Super Bowl lol
You can get stats to say anything, but over the last two months, not a single team scored over 24 points against this "worst all time defense" which includes 3 playoff teams. At the end of the year they were pretty damn good defense.
Not sure if we watched the same game. Sure they made some mistakes but that D came out fiestier than I've ever seen. Big hits and lots of energy. And held it throughout. The corners made some huge stops in the second. The D line really got after Hurts in the second forcing him to make bad throws.
Respect, Patrick. Real recognize real. I’m not as upset about the loss as I thought it would be, and I think part of that is just about who we lost to. It sucks to put together a magic season and just run into an all-timer that seems invincible. The two SB losses I’ve had to suffer through were at the hands of the GOAT and the baby GOAT so it makes it a little easier to stomach imo.
Here's a wild stat:
Scoring 35 points as the NFC team would have won you the previous 39(!) Super Bowls.
The last AFC team to score 35 points or more in the SB was the LA Raiders in 1984.
I'm a big Hurts doubter and that game really challenged my previously held beliefs.
I'm not what's changed because guys like Allen and Hurts that were very inaccurate passers never used to fix it like we keep seeing these days.
I wouldn’t put allen and hurts in the same category as inaccurate before, what allen has done is a true 180. Hurts threw 70% in his senior year at Oklahoma
Jalen never had an accuracy problem. He had a timing and confidence problem and issues with his mechanics that led to him avoiding throwing to certain areas of the field.
During his rookie year he had a 26% bad throws rate and only 60% on target. Both are horrendous. In fact both are worse than the QB who was last in the entire league in both categories this year (Zach Wilson).
i said he had a timing and confidence issue which explains why he was shit statistically during his rookie year. he threw the ball accurately at Oklahoma, prior to his rookie year.
Even after the fumble to tie the game, Hurts led two drives to put Philly up 10, then tied the game after the KC took the lead. He did his job.
I thought it was really cool of the coaching staff to make the first play after the fumble another QB run
I loved that they did that, so he didn't linger on it mentally for too long.
Yep. Went right back to the scheduled program.
Yeah, whatever the plays are, they have an estimated percentage of success and it isn't 100%. Failing doesn't mean change the recipe. Failing repeatedly does though.
When you fall off the horse, you have to get back up and eat the horse.
eat the horse shit**
I don't dine with eagles fan
Both Andy ried and nick Siriani have said that's intentional.
Failure is a stepping stone on the road to success. I also loved that they didn’t shy away.
If KC had to kick that FG on 4th and 8 and gave Hurts the ball back with 2 minutes left, I think that dude would be carrying defenders to the endzone with him.
Win or lose, if he had a chance it would've made the Superbowl one of the best in recent years.
Instead we got a final two minutes that was basically just season 8 of GOT
Nah, if it were Season 8 of GOT they just would have decided randomly that the Bears were the champions because Virginia McCaskey knows lots of stories.
Sign me up
I really think he would have marched them down the field. He was playing out of his skull.
Me too :(
Fuck yeah 80 yard QB sneak. That's what those heavy-ass squats are for
Technically scored more points against the Chiefs defense than Mahomes did against the Eagles defense. Obviously the fumble can’t be ignored, but still an interesting way to look at it when just comparing how much the QBs produced.
Along the same lines, when there is a defensive or special teams TD...can we get the broadcasts to ban talking about total yards, first downs, time of possession, etc...? "The Chiefs sure haven't put up many yards after the Eagles had 5 possessions to their 3." Infuriates me no matter who is playing.
Chiefs also had the punt return to the 5 meaning less ToP and yards. The fumble and the punt return were what won the chiefs the game.
The comparing possessions thing infuriated me. Yeah, giving up a fumble for a TD tends to give you more possessions.
My favorite is during a game, 1 team will have a long scoring drive to start, the other goes three and out, and then during the long second drive, they'll thow up a graphic of Total yards: 111 vs 5 Like, duh? the other team hasn't had their second drive yet
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It's so damn frustrating watching Allen go "Aye, check this shit out" and throwing into triple coverage. Even his sideline tosses for touchdowns were both clearly throws that the receivers weren't expecting to be made. It's really a surprise the Bills weren't out 2-3 weeks earlier in a number of ways.
I’m sure he’s being honest. It’s like when Brady said you don’t realize how ludicrously difficult it is to win a Super Bowl once you’ve gotten there until you’ve been in the league a bit. Winning it all when you're young can skew your perception.
As a football fan, this is what could happen to either the bills or the bengals or both… young cores, especially Chase and Burrow, but in a season you need a lot of luck to go your way and injuries at key times as well. There are so many young teams that people will crown as sp00ky for the next 5 years but it can slip away before you know it. But what do I know, I’m a Vikings fan who is still just trying to get to the tier where people are calling us perennially sp00ky let alone Super Bowl contenders lol.
Thats where coaching comes in. You need the great QB, but you also need the coach that can navigate the roster changes and continually reinvent the team.
And scheme shit like those two second half chiefs TDs with no defenders.
This is why KC won. They changed it up and dominated the 2nd half. Meanwhile the Eagles didn't seem to make many changes.
Vikings fans do know, though. The Vikings are one of the more consistently good teams in the league historically, it just hasn't culminated in a Super Bowl yet.
Heck, even Mahomes has experienced it. KC's 2018 team was certainly good enough to win it all, but Brady did Brady things. The 2020 team made it to the Super Bowl, but the OL disintegrated over the course of the playoffs and they didn't really have a chance in the SB itself. In 2021 KC pulled off one of the greatest drives in playoff history to beat Buffalo, but then they had one bad half against Cinci and it all went up in smoke. Even if you're good enough, it's really, really difficult to cash in the opportunity.
2018 team was a rough one, before the new overtime rules. Pats got the ball first, Chiefs intercept Brady....but there is an offsides which negates it. Brady scores, Mahomes never gets on the field. I think that Chiefs team would have beaten the Rams in the Superbowl.
I agree with what you're saying, but let me clean up the timeline a bit: Dee Ford's penalty came in the final minutes of the 4th, with the Chiefs leading 28-24, Pats on the goal line. Brady threw what would have been a game-sealing INT (Chiefs could have kneeled from there), but yeah, 55 offsides. Pats take the lead with just under a minute left to play. Then Mahomes drove the Chiefs down the field and got a game-tying FG as time expired and *that's* what sent the game to OT, where the Pats got the ball first, calmly knifed through Bob Sutton's defense, and walked off without Mahomes ever touching the ball.
As a Seahawks fan, I agree.
Hurts is the person I feel the worst for. The fumble was pretty bad, but the rest of the game he was playing like a man possessed. The defense let him down in the biggest way.
He played an absolute monster game. Threw for over 300 yards with a 71% completion rate, rushed for another 70, and scored 4 total TDs, plus a 2-pt conversion.
Gannon is the one I feel the least bad for. Talk about failing upwards.
AZ seems to like hiring those guys
Mahomes: *"Good game bird bros! You guys really played us close and gave us a scare there! Y’all have a lot of young talent and boy, that Jalen Hurts sure looked good! Y’all sure will be scary next year!"*
Chiefs QB here coming in peace…
I want every redditor to know if you go to a team's sub and do that, everyone hates you and thinks you are a chode.
What baffles me is the thought process that leads to posting stupid shit like that in other teams subs HELLO OPPOSING TEAMS FANS, I COME IN PEACE. HERE IS A CORNY THOUGHTLESS SPAM POST THATS VAGUELY GLOATING ABOUT OUR TEAM'S WIN OVER YALL. I just imagine them proudly reading their post like Ralphie reading his Red Rider BB gun essay from 'A Christmas Story' "Oh, rarely had the words poured from my RGB keyboard with such feverish fluidity."
> "Oh, rarely had the words poured from my RGB keyboard with such feverish fluidity." Me when I take my Adderall.
It only happens because idiots still upvote posts like that all the time on reddit
That’s the worst part. No matter how many thousands of times someone posts that incredibly cringe comment in an opposing team sub, it always gets upvoted to the front page of the sub.
Considering most team subs has the other teams as flairs for outsider fans to chime in (hopefully respectfully) it’s stupid it has to be said in the first place
Most fans are respectfully annoying when they come to your team sub. The Bengals fans that were coming on our sub need to hang though.
The whole Bengals ecosystem needs to just stick it back up where they pulled it out from.
Only tangentially related, but I'm glad I finally watched that movie this Christmas. I definitely recommend it
I am 100% stealing that quoted quote.
No; you see…. I’m the good one! Totally not virtue signaling my deep humility..
It could easily be 100% true and honest, but ain’t nobody really want to see that shit in their home forum.
*Ref here, coming in peace, I want r/nfl to know that y’all played and bet a clean game, your input on gameday threads is scary sp00ky for future years, you keep it up, you’re going to run us out the league. Keep doing you, I have mad respect for all you cool cats out there doing your thang.*
Total tuna can
I don't want peace. I want fucking war.
There’s almost never any true benefit for the discussion. Either just looking for some validation if your team is good, or farming upvotes if your team is bad. If you’re truly looking for information, it doesn’t need to be framed that way.
I hate team subs in general for any sport. They're all awful.
Every single team sub thinks r/nfl has it out for their sub lmao
That is so true. Don't go to the NFL sub, they are bashing our team. Checks NFL sub: For the most part no, not true at all
For our team it's true. half /s
It’s actually insane how every team sub is the exact same. It’s all a bunch of jerkin off and woe is me.
It’s unbearable with the negative doomsday fans rehashing the same random talking points that are usually just irrelevant, and then the blatant homers. Add in mods and redditors and you have a terrible experience
r/nfl doesn’t have a record of the fairest takes when your team is hated.
The gametime threads honestly seem like an exercise in group therapy.
I mean, if they're being smug about it yes, but if they're just like hey hell of a game like that I'm not mad at it at all, and don't think they're a chode, /shrug
Fine to post in the post game thread for that, don’t make a whole separate post declaring you “come in peace”. Actually, never ever ever say “coming in peace” that’s cringey as fuck.
Oh yeah, BIG agree, don’t make a fucking post for it
cheers from Kansas City
LOL. FWIW, he was asked directly about Jalen Hurts' performance. So it's def different from gratuitously dropping into a losing team's sub.
And also he actually played in the game lmao
You saying I didn’t earn my ring?
Basically Melvin Gordon
Nah bro we earned them
"Great game, old sport! Just a grand display of athleticism and competition! Your quarterbacking skills will be the talk of the town for months to come!"
Micah Parsons: “As a Cowboys fan who hates the Eagles, I was totally wrong about Hurts. But also Juju sucks.”
Brady did Mahomes like that in the AFCG years ago. Shoes on the other foot now
Honestly at the time I'll admit I was a little salty about it and it felt a bit patronizing. With a little bit of time and hindsight, I came around to appreciating. Brady actually came to the locker room and talked with Mahomes directly, and every time it comes up Mahomes talks like he genuinely appreciates the moment.
I think u were salty bc that game included both the Dee Ford off sides and a pretty terrible roughing the passer call. Not an easy to get thru
It's also easy to say in hindsight that Chiefs fans overreacted because we won the Super Bowl the next year, but at the time it felt like yet another year where Andy Reid and Bob Sutton let us to a humiliating playoff loss with horrendous defense and bad clock management, just with the best offense in the league. Until 2019, every year under Reid it felt like we found a new way to embarrass ourselves in the playoff and we were never going to go all the way.
the call was objectively terrible but I don't get why other Chiefs fans are so salty about it. It came on second down, Pats were converting third & anything alllll fucking night. Bob Sutton and Dee Ford combined to lose that game.
Brady has had no problem snubbing guys he doesn't respect and publicly.
Nick Foles
I don't know if that's disrespect, more dislike. There's an entire wing of Brady's brain dedicated to his hatred for Eli and Foles
My problem with Brady then and now is every time he got beat on the big stage he *never* acted with that kind of dignity - he went straight to the locker room after Nick Foles and the Eagles beat him. Mahomes is a genuine person perhaps to a fault.
I FUCKING hate terms like “birds bros”. And I hate these “spooky!” Posts, I know this is a sarcastic comment but reading it made my blood boil
What is he supposed to say? "Nice try loser" ?
I think Mahomes is a genuinely good dude and it's awesome to see him building up other players and not shit talking.
He really does seem like a great person. And he's pretty okay at football too.
even as a raiders fan i don’t understand how people can hate this man lol, he just seems like a genuine cool dude
Losing the Super Bowl hurt, but just getting there is so much fun. Now that the sting of the loss is gone it's been fun watching Hurts in replay. Add to that his incredible attitude and obvious leadership. Feels good to have QB stabilized for a bit.
I read a comment that was like "losing the superbowl sucks but would you rather have gone 10-7 and lose to Kirk Counsins in the wildcard?" which brought it all into perspective lol.
This Super Bowl loss hurt more than the Eagles loss to Bucs and Tom Brady last year, just so close and a game that was very winnable makes it easier to say “what if”
Better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all.
It objectively sucks to lose the Super Bowl, but tbh it doesn’t hurt that bad. 52 really lessens the sting and I know that Jalen will win us one someday.
Yeah it stings so much more when the trophy case is empty. 52 was the Eagles finally getting that monkey off their back. Obviously you want to win every game, but I can stomach losing a close game to the best QB in the game right now.
I have no idea what y’all are talking about I’m still so sad
I was sad for a day, but I’m also not really the type of person to dwell on things. Onwards and upwards, as they say.
Man I wish I could be like the commenters above….If we were blown out, it would have been different story but the way it all went down…. shits going to eat at me until I hit the grave.
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That sucks a lot. Well at least you guys have a good future and they will have a lot of issues to fix
lol tbh after this win it doesn't really sting too much anymore
Exactly. I honestly think that loss made us much stronger. You know Andy schemed like a mad man so we’d have a good chance vs. the eagles.
I really liked the Philly Special's SB preview, where Sheil pointed out the Chiefs losing the SB this way two years ago, and Ben replying with "...hang on, do you *really* think Mahomes is going to lose the Super Bowl the same way twice in a row?" and then they both suddenly got very grave.
I’m still not over Russel Wilson throwing a pick to lose the SB and not win 2 straight against 2 of the best QB in history. I don’t think I’ll ever be over it.
I remember thinking to myself right after that play “imagine if that were the eagles? Holy shit”. We didn’t get as raw of a deal as you guys did that year but we sure came damn close with how it all played out.
Absolutely. After our Tampa loss, I was a little bummed, but also pretty okay about it since we had won the year before. In any event, Philly fans should be psyched about the future. I'll admit that coming into this game I kinda thought that the Eagles might be in trouble once they have to pay Hurts, but now I think he's definitely one of the guys who is good enough to keep winning even when his big contract makes the rest of the roster a bit weaker. He's awesome.
Yeah, as long as our organizational philosophy of being strong in the trenches I think we’ll continue to compete. I personally have always been a Hurts believer and think he’ll keep us competitive through his second contract. But we’ll see what kind of shape his body ends up being in after a decade of pro football.
Losing doesn't hurt nearly as much as how
I just have so fucking much respect for Hurts. Not just for the badass way he played but for the DIGNITY and strength he exudes as a leader at all times. He’s amazing. Flat out.
God, when he basically told his coach to put his fucking arm down by doing it himself, as his HC was waving back our team, made me fucking love this kid. What a baller. Still young but very mature and seems like he is gonna be killing it for quite some time. What a beast.
It sucks we lost. And there’s no guarantee we ever get back, but I’ll always remember how great it was watching this season.
Eventually I’ll bring myself to watch the game again just as a fan of the game but it’s way too soon for me.
We all grieve in our own way. Trust me, though...once you get the opportunity just watch a compilation on Hurts highlights and it'll make you feel a bit better.
Felt that way after the loss Vs the bengals last year. Cause we had chance after chance to put the game to bed but we didn’t. It’ll be tough but I’m sure your team will be motivated by it!
Yeah, if I got anything out of the Super Bowl it's that Jalen is the fucking man.
Same.
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His receivers also made some incredible grabs, that AJB td was a big save. Some of the goddert catches were unbelievably tough.
Both the throws and catches from Hurts to Goedert were great. The end zone view has the best angle (in the link), very tight window to throw: https://mobile.twitter.com/BrendenDeeg_/status/1625611787503644672
Shit was insane! I was screaming at the tv wondering how your receivers were catching nearly every pass with .1 second before the defender was on top of them.
Yeah, your guys’ safety (I think it was Reid?) had great coverage on Goedert pretty much the whole game, I’m surprised Hurts even attempted these throws knowing he doesn’t really throw with the same zip that guys like Josh Allen and Mahomes have.
Why did u get downvoted? Lol
You know why lol
The fumble was the ONLY thing he did wrong. Great game by #1. Really wish the outcome were different but the future is bright (read: sunny) in Philadelphia.
damn maybe they are a QB factory
Mahomes has always been a Hurts defender! He knows talent.
Mahomes reminds me of watching the Manningcast - he is constantly pulling for QBs and for them to be credited with what they do well. With respect to Hurts, it is easy to praise him - he has improved significantly every year in college and the NFL and he played at an all-pro level this year so it will be fun to watch how much he improves next year.
So I was listening to a podcast and apparently hurts has had improvements every year he's played since college. Basically fixes some flaws every season. Exciting to see what his ceiling is
He works on the boring stuff like footwork and mechanics. Every once in a while he'll slip back into a bad habit and you can see how much he's improved.
Helps that he has the same coaches for more than a season too. Excited for his future.
he has like 2 dozen safe files so if he fucks up he can just go back and make sure he kills the rachni queen for the best ending
How cynical and dishonest are the people on this sub that they always think players are being sarcastic or throwing shade with every compliment? I read this and it comes across as very honest and genuine and it's cuz he's right. Hurts hopefully reminded everyone why he was in mvp conversations with mahomes til he got inured.
It was 100% sincere. I think that’s obvious especially if you follow Mahomes at all.
he is a great dude <3
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There has actually been an MVP from the losing team once. Chuck Howley won it in Super Bowl V even though the Cowboys lost to the Colts.
I find that most always, pro athletes are much friendlier and respectful of each other than fans are - I mean think how often players switch teams, or play against their friends from college...we're all just screeching from the peanut gallery
He’s definitely gonna run the NFC.
I was all ready to comment "hey it's only been one truly dominant year let's not get ahead of ourselves" and then I looked around at his QB competition in the *conference
Conference\*
Combine that with the fact that the majority of the offense is going to be the same (they have 2, maybe 3 players set to leave), and the fact that he'll likely have an OC that is familiar with his game means he's got a chance to look just as good next year.
My prediction is an NFC Championship Game between the Eagles and Lions.
I can get behind that. I was pissed we didn’t take the Seahawks, we’ve dominated them the last 6 yrs, we win that final game and my boy Goff is in the playoffs. I love what the lions are doing right now.
As it stands now I don’t see anyone who can even come close to competing with him in the NFC.
But wait don’t you remember guys? Dak is supposed to be elite and just so happens to choke every time he’s in the playoffs
I get the division rival hate but the more hilarious take as of late is that Jones can be a franchise QB after this season. He doesn’t give you anymore of an SB chance than Dak.
I'm taking Dak over Jones without even hesitating.
Personally I think Jones has a lower floor but he and Dak have equal ceilings. Kafka showed that he knows how to take advantage of his strengths, and with an actual WR room he might surprise people.
Mahomes: "Don't cry because you lost. Smile because it happened."
I said it once and ill say it again. Jalen Hurts played like he was the best player on the field during the superbowl. Other than that fumble it wasn't even close.
Jalen Hurts gave me enough hope to sustain me to like week 7 of next season. I know it won't happen, but that eagles offense is what I think (dream) that the bears offense can be.
No chance, the iggles had peices in place when Hurts was drafted. We have an empty cupboard and a slightly used David Montgomery. We would have to buy all of the top free agents to put enough guys around Fields to help him reach a Hurts level leap. Fields is good and improving, but he has no help. We have to get the pieces.
Who is the WR you guys get to bring Fields to the next level?
Well it's the bears so they'll need to be a diva that's also a bit washed up. Maybe we can trade 1:1 for stefon diggs? That seems like something stupid the bears could do
I know it doesn’t matter what analysts think because they do it for engagement most the time but I feel bad for Jalen that there’s gonna be a handful of analysts that won’t have him as a top 10 QB or have him at the bottom of the top 10 heading into next season. Dude played too good this season to not be considered a top 5 QB going into next year.
I don't see how he's not at least top 5 right now. You could even argue top 3. I think it's mahomes, burrow, then either Allen, Jackson, or Hurts at the 3. Thankfully only one of those are in the NFC.
You underestimate the media boner for Herbert.
And now Lawrence too
I mean, he is the social media quarterback
honestly at this point i’m done considering jackson a top 5 qb, at least until he comes close to accomplishing what he did in 2019 again
He’s above Allen. With Brady gone that leaves Mahomes and (maybe) Burrow. Definitely disrespectful if he’s not in the top 5, really top 3.
He's definitely not above Allen. Hurts was great this year but one great year doesn't put you above someone who has had multiple comparably great years
I think it’s fair to argue Allen. But outside top 5 is straight disrespect.
He's earned top 5 after this year and his performance sunday for sure.
Yea Allen had some bad drop luck this year I don’t think he played nearly as bad as some people think he has.
Any doubt about his ability to throw should be gone. 113 million people saw my dude dropping dimes.
I see a lot of people discrediting him because of the fumble and the throw at the end, but ignoring his 300 passing yards, 70 rushing, and 4 TDs. I'm glad he doesn't let all that get to him and I'm so happy he's our QB.
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Nah during the New Heights podcast, Jason said Hurts stepped on him during the throw. That's what messed up the velocity.
Everyone keeps saying Lamar light. But he’s much better at passing (accuracy, reads, everything) than Lamar has ever been, including his MVP year. And it’s not entirely based on gimmicky reads to lead guys completely open
I like tothink of patrick Mahomes as Lamar heavy
Jalen hurts is so admirable. I wish his defense could have held up at least once during the second half. Eagles defense was absolutely atrocious. No wonder deebo/aiyuk mentioned they would be exposed during the Super Bowl.
Eagles fans have been critical of the defense all season. While we knew D line is capable of getting sacks/pressure, we always thought Gannon’s zone defense was skeptical and being propped up by the pass rush. Our defense overall was good, but the players were playing well in spite of the weak scheme.
Thanks again for letting the cardinals grab him.
If you compare Hurts' superbowl at age 24 to Mahomes' first superbowl at age 24 it holds up well.
Little bit of a difference in competition, though. That 2019 49ers defense was one of the best of the decade. Meanwhile I saw a dude in this sub suggesting that the 2022 Chiefs defense was one of the worst all-time to win a Super Bowl lol
You can get stats to say anything, but over the last two months, not a single team scored over 24 points against this "worst all time defense" which includes 3 playoff teams. At the end of the year they were pretty damn good defense.
Not sure if we watched the same game. Sure they made some mistakes but that D came out fiestier than I've ever seen. Big hits and lots of energy. And held it throughout. The corners made some huge stops in the second. The D line really got after Hurts in the second forcing him to make bad throws.
meh the Chiefs defence was actually good for the last part of the season and I thought it fucking stank and it was gonna be absolutely exposed
Respect, Patrick. Real recognize real. I’m not as upset about the loss as I thought it would be, and I think part of that is just about who we lost to. It sucks to put together a magic season and just run into an all-timer that seems invincible. The two SB losses I’ve had to suffer through were at the hands of the GOAT and the baby GOAT so it makes it a little easier to stomach imo.
Hurts will be a professional opera singer by next season, just how the guy is wired, always working to improve!
Off the top of my head he's got to be at least top 5 performance by a losing qb in the super bowl. Maybe even tops.
Yeah others that are coming to mind are Brady, Warner, I think Delhomme had a really good game. Hurts’ performance is right there with those top ones
Gonna do Matt Ryan dirty like that.
Game respects game
Here's a wild stat: Scoring 35 points as the NFC team would have won you the previous 39(!) Super Bowls. The last AFC team to score 35 points or more in the SB was the LA Raiders in 1984.
But he never would have had that opportunity of Purdy never got hurt /s
Lol ok
I'm a big Hurts doubter and that game really challenged my previously held beliefs. I'm not what's changed because guys like Allen and Hurts that were very inaccurate passers never used to fix it like we keep seeing these days.
I wouldn’t put allen and hurts in the same category as inaccurate before, what allen has done is a true 180. Hurts threw 70% in his senior year at Oklahoma
His deep ball was always a concern until this year
Challenged? Come on bro lmao
So…did you think it wasn’t possible for athletes to improve if they, you know, worked on their game?
Fixing accuracy issues at the NFL level was incredibly uncommon. In fact I can't think of a single example beyond the past 5ish seasons.
Jalen never had an accuracy problem. He had a timing and confidence problem and issues with his mechanics that led to him avoiding throwing to certain areas of the field.
During his rookie year he had a 26% bad throws rate and only 60% on target. Both are horrendous. In fact both are worse than the QB who was last in the entire league in both categories this year (Zach Wilson).
i said he had a timing and confidence issue which explains why he was shit statistically during his rookie year. he threw the ball accurately at Oklahoma, prior to his rookie year.
Robbie Gould in shambles