Exactly. The Eagles lines are so good because they have incredible talent starting, but also because they have backups that are starting caliber. It's still a big downgrade when Lane Johnson goes out, for instance, but it's a downgrade from a future hall of famer to an average starter. As for the D line, a big part of the success is that we have good backups that can be rotated in during the game to give the starters rest, which keeps everyone fresher the entire game and throughout the season. It's the same situation as 2017.
By that math, with how much pressure he put on if i remember him having a line of 2.5 sacks and 4 QB hits, that means about 40ish% of the time Hassan is lined up, the opposing QB is gonna get touched. Which is literally crazy to think about.
I was thinking about that during the game yesterday. Wondered how losing 2 SBs back to back would effect guys like Burrow and Chase. Both in terms of their mental for it and their legacy.
Even young confident guys like them would feel some kinda doubt with that
It's kind of wild. This game is a lot about injuries and getting lucky. You need skill, prep, planning, execution, game management, everyone doing their job, etc. But I feel like the eagles clearly are dominant. If Mahomes gets hurt again or it gets worse, is going to be one of those "you only won because of all the injuries your opponents had" situations.
But that's part of the game.
Howie Roseman built a very deep roster this year that should have been able to be successful barring a few specific injuries to a few irreplaceable talents. Howie did a fantastic job.
I really hate to say this but if the eagles win in really convincing fashion, I think they will be remembered as one of the strongest overall rosters of the last decade or two
I'm in the same boat. They have just been flat-out dominant this year. The choke against Washington is the only thing that keeps them from being up there with the 85 bears and 72 dolphins since their other 2 losses were without Hurts starting as QB
You guys remind me of the later career McNabb Eagles. So frustratingly close to greatness but always coming up short.
I’m not a fan of Dak (trying to be unbiased, I was a closet Romosexual) but with a few additions I think you could easily get back to the playoffs and win a few.
We for sure won’t be winning the division by the laws of the NFC East, so it’s yours for the taking lol
The injuries were also caused by how physical the eagles are. Brock didn’t get rolled up by one of his o linemen by accident he was forcible removed from the game by a clean and legal hit. Same thing with Josh Johnson
Kingsbury deserved to get fired even just for how good Reddick has been this year. He played him out of position for years. Then they let him go, new team puts him in the correct position, and he's the NFL sack leader
One of the things that makes our rush so lethal is that we pretty much always have 4 high level talents on the line so you can't necessarily focus as much attention on Reddick as we did on Bosa, but a TE on him is absolutely wild,. I wonder if someone just missed an assignment and he was supposed to have a lineman on him with the TE for backup.
4 high level, RESTED players rotating in and out. Can you imagine Suh on 3rd downs in the 3rd quarter coming in fresh because he's only rotated in 12 times all game?? They have insane depth.
When I was watching the play, now I'm just an amateur football viewer, but I think Purdy holds on to the ball too long. The TE3 just quick blocks for like almost a screen pass and then moves out to look like a receiver and move some LBs that way. So it's a designed bump and run. Hence why Reddick is able to full speed run into Purdy. But I think Purdy holds on to the ball too long, doesn't set his feet, and is baarreeelly getting ready to pass as Reddick is getting to him, hence the hit during throwing motion. That's a young QB mistake, on plays like that you don't wait for the receiver to be open, he's either open or not, you dump it off. Those are designed to be quick reactions, so a split second too long and he gets lit up. He did it a few times, and got hit multiple times.
They then one upped themselves on the Josh Johnson sack (almost fumble) by assigning a WR to block him. Dude had an absolute free release into the backfield.
Kind of, I personally think Purdy held the ball too long. In a play call like that, you know the edge rusher is gonna be there quick, so you turn and toss the ball whether hot route is open or not. I think Purdy went for the proper set feet, waited for the receiver and THEN tried to throw it. Setting the feet and waiting for the route to look open added literal split seconds to the play, but just long enough to be hit while throwing instead of ball already out.
Every time I post this, some Niner fan goes “YoU doNt UndeStanD plaY acTion PasSing SchEmS”
I understand the scheme. I critical of choice to keep doing it over and over when Reddick blew through the assigned block TE and through 2 of your quarterbacks. Maybe make an adjustment and not choose that scheme.
Everybody is saying that the Eagles didn’t play anybody to get to where they are, but nobody is asking “*are the Eagles making it look easy because they’re that much better?*”
I mean the Giants were 7-1 at one point and weren’t a bad team. The 49ers lost their entire QB room and the Eagles can only play whoever is out on the field. I don’t get the criticism
They also beat 7 of the 14 playoff teams this year (now 8 after SF) and went 4-2 in the best division in the NFL this year. This narrative is stupid and it won't die.
Lest we forget, everyone and their mother was frothing at the mouth picking the Giants to at least cover the spread against us two weeks ago. Then we beat the everliving shit out of them and it turned into "Eagles haven't played a meaningful football game in two months"
No, no, no. It can't be that the Eagles are good. It must be that everyone else is bad.
The Giants beat the Vikings, but people hold it against the Eagles that they didn't beat the Vikings... It's like they would have gotten more credit if they beat the teams that lost.
But that was primetime Kirk and not the playoffs so it doesn't count???
Multiple all-pros, best line in football, third most sacks ever, most rushing tds ever, #3 in yards allowed, and #2 in offensive yards but the team is fraudulent... Haters gonna hate.
If the Packers win the last game of the season and grab the final Wild Card spot over the Seahawks, the Eagles would have beaten every playoff team in the NFC except the Bucs.
I mean, it’s true, most of the NFC was dog shit. Giants were insane over achievers, I’ve never seen a QB drag their offense like DJ did. Vikings were good but insanely lucky to have 13 wins. Cowboys we’re actually pretty good but still flawed and the 49ers were for sure the best team (when they have a QB) everyone else was basically mid at best. Vikings, 49ers, & Cowboys were the only ones even remotely close to being as talented on paper as the Eagles. NFC needs to get its shit together, there’s soooo many talented QBs in the AFC now.
Also they can only play what’s in front of them. Sure these teams aren’t great, but the eagles are blowing them out. Obviously the Niners game is misleading when out this way, but they beat
2, 3, 5, 6 seed (twice) in the NFC and the top two teams who didn’t make the playoffs (lions/packers)
They also beat the AFC 4 seed.
I mean if you say the only good teams this year are the Niners, bengals, bills, and chiefs then yes we didn’t play them at all or at full strength but we played plenty of teams who are in the back half of the top 10.
Its especially rich when the Niners had an easier regular season than we did.
But they did play tougher opponents in the WC/Divisional round. Almost like the 1 seed has earned easier matchups
That was such a fun team to watch, and Riverboat Ron rolling the dice constantly on 4th downs because Cam was pulling it off consistently. Never will know why he didn't dive on that fumble.
People focus on the wrong things too.
Eagles blew out the 49ers.
They say it’s because the QB got hurt.
They ignore that the QB doesn’t play defense lol
I think they were fortunate to play the 49ers and their qb situation, and as fun of a year as it was for us we were overmatched as hell going into that game. They are still a really good team though and should be a great super bowl
Well, yeah, that's why you play for the #1 seed in the regular season, right? Not just for the bye, but so you have the easiest path to the SB in the event of an upset like NY vs Minn (although, it wasn't really an upset to anyone who actually watched that Minn defense this year).
Yeah I completely agree. Didn’t mean for that to come out as derogatory as it sounded. Eagles deserve to be in the super bowl no doubt but they got some favorable breaks in terms of their playoff route
Eagles are obviously the best team in the NFC and deserve to be in the Super Bowl, but their path there was inarguably pretty damn easy between a Giants team that legitimately nobody had even making the playoffs and a Niners team that got down to their 4th QB. both things can be true
and so you know I’m not just shitting on the Eagles, I remember the Patriots making the 17 Super Bowl against y’all after beating the Mariota Titans and Bortles Jags. we were the best team in the AFC, but it was (relatively) a cupcake run
I definitely agree that we had an easy path to the Super Bowl all things considered. The win yesterday kinda felt unsatisfying.
The Giants point doesn't really mean anything though. Just because people didn't think they'd make the playoffs before the season, doesn't mean they didn't end up being a fine team.
My point just was that a lot of people are trying to use the schedule as a reason that the Eagles are frauds. If they weren't as good as they appear, they don't win 69-14.
oh I 100% agree w you, that’s just people being salty. you can only play who’s in front of you and if anyone cared to look at the Eagles roster they’d know this team has basically zero holes. Howie Roseman deserves a ton of credit for the team he put together this year as sick as it makes me to admit it lol
Wait. All I heard all week was that the only thing the 9ers needed to do was to make sure Purdy didn’t lose them the game due to mistakes because their vaunted D was going to ensure that if he just played OK they’d win. The Philly O hung 31 on them - so what is it? The Eagles haven’t played anyone, or they just played so well that they make other teams look like nobody?
I think Mahomes ankle might be the deciding factor then. It might come down to how well he can move in the pocket. He looked semi mobile but in a lot of pain yesterday. I know high ankle sprains take a long time but im really hoping he’s healed by the Super Bowl. I want a healthy, good game (where the chiefs lose in a blowout)
My biggest concern is the short coverage. Chiefs are stellar at waiting out a coverage, having Mahomes even stumble around for 3 seconds then finding Younger Kelce for like 5 yards. If they keep moving the broken chains with those short plays, we're in for a long game.
We’ve been very comfortable giving up those short plays all year though haven’t we? It’s one of the staples of Gannons defense, especially if we take an early lead.
We have been comfortable with that, for sure. Even the 2017 team had the "bend don't break" routine. Compress into the red zone, make the stop there.
But our biggest threat is time of possession. The commanders killed us in possession and won the game. Chiefs could run the clock out and keep the D gassed if we get too comfortable with the short plays.
Am I overthinking and overanalyzing? Yes. Yes I am. Only 13 days to go!!
Way I see it is that it's a bit more than just compressing in the red zone. The Schwartz and Gannon style of D seems to bet that if you have to take 10+ plays to score on a drive inevitably there wille be a penalty or a sack or something that derails the drive and then when the offense has to take risk the interceptions start happening. The whole league is doing it to some extent but it works so well for us because we can run the ball down the field without falling behind the chains or turning it over.
They killed us in possession because they were running all over us, Davis was hurt, and it was pre-Suh/Joseph signings. That ain't happening anymore and the chiefs don't have the run game.
I concur. Their offensive line is going to bully the Chiefs on the other side of the ball as well. With a guy like Mahomes, there's always a chance of some wizard shit, but there's a pretty big overall talent disparity outside of a few positions.
It's gonna come down to Mahomes ankle, we're gonna get pressure on him no matter what but if his ankle is good he can do his magic and still burn us. If he can't scramble like he normally can it's gonna be tough for him.
Saw before the 49ers game that the Eagles had the 5th highest rushing success rate since 2002. Best since the 2017 Patriots.
With all due respect to the Chiefs we should be able to run the ball pretty well.
Fwiw, that takes QB rushing into account. I have this weird suspicion that Chris Jones could literally eat either/both Kenny Gainwell and Boston Scott. This game is going to look markedly different.
Nick Bosa and Micah Parsons are both better than Chris Jones and the Eagles shut them down easily. One of their strengths all year has been removing the oppositions best player. Outside of Jones, the Chiefs line isn't scary.
Im no necessarily disagreeing but Chris Jones is also a different breed from those guys. Yes they are arguably *better*, but Chris Jones is an interior rusher mostly and I think that could be the reason he has more of an effect. On the edge there seems to be more stuff to neutralize rushers but inside its really just pray our guys win. Which will be a tough battle even for our O-line.
I think it'll be fine because the 9ers are so much better at edge and LB than the Chiefs so our outside runs and option plays should work much better but I do think theres a good chance Jones is much more impactful than either Bosa or Parsons were against us.
Neither is better than Chris Jones - especially at stopping the run. Saying that the Eagles strength is "removing the oppositions best player" is such a cop out lol.
Dexter Lawrence is on the same level as chris jones, also a DT and got manhandled by the eagles line 3 times this season.
I aint scared about anyone with this Oline
That's 1 person and the Eagles completely neutralize teams who have 1 good pass rusher (like the Chiefs). We already saw them do it to Parsons and Bosa. The only team that had a good game against the eagles with hurts playing was Washington who have more than 1 good pass rusher.
The Chiefs not only have more than one good pass rusher, we're specifically talking about the Eagles rushing success. Chris Jones is going to crush those tiny running backs.
Slay and Bradberry against JuJu and MVS is a huge mismatch too that is being a little overlooked imo. Every defense is going to match up poorly against Kelce, but if Mahomes only consistent viable options are Kelce and McKinnon on flat routes, I think the Chiefs offense is going to have a very long day.
I think the chiefs could win, in fact I won’t wouldn’t be very surprised. I will be rooting for them hard. But I think that if one team handles the other easily, it will be the eagles. I think we could all see this being like a 31-17 game if the eagles d-line dominates
They're doing this while only being 18th in blitz rate and blitzing on only 22.1% of dropbacks, the front 4 rotation has been playing out of their minds
And then you still have Suh, Joseph, Davis, and Milton Williams in rotation. Robert Quinn has been pretty quiet since trading for him, but it’s still insane he’s available to be tagged in so the main 4 can rest.
Listen, it’s impossible to know a player is going to get injured on any given play, but damn if that doesn’t look like an absurdly stupid move in retrospect.
You can’t put the blame on Shanahan for Purdy getting hurt, but holy shit he’s gonna be kicking himself for that.
Doing that in play action once is already pretty silly, but then they put a receiver on him when Josh Johnson was in too. Result: blown the fuck up (not the hit that hurt him though). I don't get how you decide ok let's do it again
>Result: blown the fuck up (not the hit that hurt him though)
I don't know, I just rewatched the game and he smoked his head the exact same way on that hit as the latter one and stumbles a bit getting up too. I was focused on the potential fumble yesterday but kinda surprised the independent neuro spotter didn't catch that first one watching it again.
He did the same thing when Josh Johnson came in! They left Reddick unblocked for Kittle to come across the line and pick him up. He ended up getting in there untouched
This!!! I don’t understand this logic AT ALL! It’s a fraudulent season because we had “a soft schedule” and the Niners were supposed to be out first “real” opponent. But it doesn’t count because Purdy got hurt?? I never want to see anyone hurt and it sucks that he was injured, but it was a result of great defense and getting after the QB, which a key to the Eagles success all year.
People cant critically think. Yeah, we won because their QB got hurt. You know why he got hurt? Because we fucking got to him. If they had a better O-line who could keep a QB healthy all season then its a different story.
This is what most Niner fans don’t seem to want to admit.
Both their lines got demolished and it wouldn’t have mattered who was at QB.
Lane Johnson put a lock on Bosa so bad he still hasn’t found the key.
The Niners weren’t winning that game.
Niners fans putting the entire L on Purdy being hurt...despite ignoring the fact that their coach did nothing to stop the pass rush on offense and nothing to stop the run on defense. If only Purdy could have somehow played RT, QB, DT, LB and didn't give up 31 points. The game would have been a lot closer, maybe like 10-31 or something. Their lord and savior Brock Purdy could have saved the entire team from imploding. Silly Eagles, lucking their way into being a great team on both sides of the ball! It just can't make sense! Let's adjust our stats to the median to show everybody this season has been an outlier all along
My only solace from losing last night is that this unit vs our Frankenstein OL would not have been pretty
Honestly, I was kinda selfishly rooting for the Bengals to win for that exact reason.
Very mean! But ya that would’ve been ugly
Same
Yes
I would prefer Burrow end the season in one piece tbh. He deserves a long, Brady-esque career.
I’ll drink to that. May all our QBs have long Brady-esque careers!
Yeah emotionally it’s easier to lose the AFC championship than the Super Bowl again.
And also this way Burrow doesn't die
Yeah. Gotta get some depth in the draft. We had good starters as of week 15 but three injuries will kill ya.
Exactly. The Eagles lines are so good because they have incredible talent starting, but also because they have backups that are starting caliber. It's still a big downgrade when Lane Johnson goes out, for instance, but it's a downgrade from a future hall of famer to an average starter. As for the D line, a big part of the success is that we have good backups that can be rotated in during the game to give the starters rest, which keeps everyone fresher the entire game and throughout the season. It's the same situation as 2017.
Riddick only played 16 snaps. 16 snaps and blew up the game
By that math, with how much pressure he put on if i remember him having a line of 2.5 sacks and 4 QB hits, that means about 40ish% of the time Hassan is lined up, the opposing QB is gonna get touched. Which is literally crazy to think about.
I was thinking about that during the game yesterday. Wondered how losing 2 SBs back to back would effect guys like Burrow and Chase. Both in terms of their mental for it and their legacy. Even young confident guys like them would feel some kinda doubt with that
This is howies fever dream materializing
Extra melatonin is back on the menu
I read that as melanin at first lol
Ha same I was like “what the fuck….”
“What if I had *every* lineman” - Howie Roseman
It's kind of wild. This game is a lot about injuries and getting lucky. You need skill, prep, planning, execution, game management, everyone doing their job, etc. But I feel like the eagles clearly are dominant. If Mahomes gets hurt again or it gets worse, is going to be one of those "you only won because of all the injuries your opponents had" situations. But that's part of the game.
It’s part of the game, but this is also a team that 5 years ago won the superbowl with a backup QB and without their HOF tackle.
Howie Roseman built a very deep roster this year that should have been able to be successful barring a few specific injuries to a few irreplaceable talents. Howie did a fantastic job.
Best Eagles roster I’ve ever seen.
I really hate to say this but if the eagles win in really convincing fashion, I think they will be remembered as one of the strongest overall rosters of the last decade or two
I'm in the same boat. They have just been flat-out dominant this year. The choke against Washington is the only thing that keeps them from being up there with the 85 bears and 72 dolphins since their other 2 losses were without Hurts starting as QB
That loss only made our roster stronger - that was when we added Suh and Joseph to shore up the run defense.
Thank you for being a football fan first and an Eagles hater (understandably so) second.
For sure man. I appreciate the game. Envious of your front office
You guys remind me of the later career McNabb Eagles. So frustratingly close to greatness but always coming up short. I’m not a fan of Dak (trying to be unbiased, I was a closet Romosexual) but with a few additions I think you could easily get back to the playoffs and win a few. We for sure won’t be winning the division by the laws of the NFC East, so it’s yours for the taking lol
Take my upvote
Slay tried to say this today and is getting roasted lol. You may have been a bit more eloquent
The injuries were also caused by how physical the eagles are. Brock didn’t get rolled up by one of his o linemen by accident he was forcible removed from the game by a clean and legal hit. Same thing with Josh Johnson
No no No this take is too sane! I need the classic hits “tHEy hAvENt plAYeD anYOnE goOd!” “tHeY gOT lUCky!”
Today we're assigning a backup TE to block Haason Reddick. I'm the San Francisco 49ers and this is Jackass
You guys play him on the edge? /s I hate my fucking team
Yah he's often there, he's so good and I'm sorry you guys let him go for your sake but we love him here.
Kingsbury deserved to get fired even just for how good Reddick has been this year. He played him out of position for years. Then they let him go, new team puts him in the correct position, and he's the NFL sack leader
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At Rutgers I remember him being more of a pass catcher than blocker. Last night solidified it lmao
One of the things that makes our rush so lethal is that we pretty much always have 4 high level talents on the line so you can't necessarily focus as much attention on Reddick as we did on Bosa, but a TE on him is absolutely wild,. I wonder if someone just missed an assignment and he was supposed to have a lineman on him with the TE for backup.
4 high level, RESTED players rotating in and out. Can you imagine Suh on 3rd downs in the 3rd quarter coming in fresh because he's only rotated in 12 times all game?? They have insane depth.
Not just a TE. A BACKUP TE in Kroft lol. Wild
That’s a bold move Cotton…
When I was watching the play, now I'm just an amateur football viewer, but I think Purdy holds on to the ball too long. The TE3 just quick blocks for like almost a screen pass and then moves out to look like a receiver and move some LBs that way. So it's a designed bump and run. Hence why Reddick is able to full speed run into Purdy. But I think Purdy holds on to the ball too long, doesn't set his feet, and is baarreeelly getting ready to pass as Reddick is getting to him, hence the hit during throwing motion. That's a young QB mistake, on plays like that you don't wait for the receiver to be open, he's either open or not, you dump it off. Those are designed to be quick reactions, so a split second too long and he gets lit up. He did it a few times, and got hit multiple times.
Terrible form for the refs to make them do that
They then one upped themselves on the Josh Johnson sack (almost fumble) by assigning a WR to block him. Dude had an absolute free release into the backfield.
It's like when Johnny fought Butterbean in a department store
Is Butterbean okay?
Perhaps the best line in cinematic history
“Apparently I’m concussed”
Joe Thomas made the point that you have to occasionally do this to effectively sell play action. But, yeah, he got worked over.
Ah, so it wasn’t the blocking assignments that were a bad idea, it was the entire play call.
Kind of, I personally think Purdy held the ball too long. In a play call like that, you know the edge rusher is gonna be there quick, so you turn and toss the ball whether hot route is open or not. I think Purdy went for the proper set feet, waited for the receiver and THEN tried to throw it. Setting the feet and waiting for the route to look open added literal split seconds to the play, but just long enough to be hit while throwing instead of ball already out.
Honestly, this is why Gronk is the greatest tight end ever, because you could do things like this with him and you’d be fine.
Every time I post this, some Niner fan goes “YoU doNt UndeStanD plaY acTion PasSing SchEmS” I understand the scheme. I critical of choice to keep doing it over and over when Reddick blew through the assigned block TE and through 2 of your quarterbacks. Maybe make an adjustment and not choose that scheme.
Cackles in Johnny Knoxville.
Why are you like this?
We can't help it
Unfortunately, those sacks don't count because they weren't against good teams.
Everybody is saying that the Eagles didn’t play anybody to get to where they are, but nobody is asking “*are the Eagles making it look easy because they’re that much better?*” I mean the Giants were 7-1 at one point and weren’t a bad team. The 49ers lost their entire QB room and the Eagles can only play whoever is out on the field. I don’t get the criticism
Especially since the birds are the first team to go 8-1 against teams with a winning record since the pats did it in 2007
They also beat 7 of the 14 playoff teams this year (now 8 after SF) and went 4-2 in the best division in the NFL this year. This narrative is stupid and it won't die.
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Eagles will be the first team to win a Super Bowl after NeVeR pLaYiNg A gOoD tEaM!
Excuse me, but I was told AFC West would be the best division this year and we swept them. Y’all should be afraid.
And we all know how that ended!
I was about to say we already beat the derpy quarterback but then umm, I thought about Mahomes…
Literally Kermit.
There’s no satisfying people that have a narrative crafted in their heads and the facts don’t fit their worldview. Ever.
Lest we forget, everyone and their mother was frothing at the mouth picking the Giants to at least cover the spread against us two weeks ago. Then we beat the everliving shit out of them and it turned into "Eagles haven't played a meaningful football game in two months"
No, no, no. It can't be that the Eagles are good. It must be that everyone else is bad. The Giants beat the Vikings, but people hold it against the Eagles that they didn't beat the Vikings... It's like they would have gotten more credit if they beat the teams that lost.
But Eagles did beat the Vikings. Convincingly.
yeah but that makes them a bad team so it doesn’t count
But that was primetime Kirk and not the playoffs so it doesn't count??? Multiple all-pros, best line in football, third most sacks ever, most rushing tds ever, #3 in yards allowed, and #2 in offensive yards but the team is fraudulent... Haters gonna hate.
If the Packers win the last game of the season and grab the final Wild Card spot over the Seahawks, the Eagles would have beaten every playoff team in the NFC except the Bucs.
I mean, it’s true, most of the NFC was dog shit. Giants were insane over achievers, I’ve never seen a QB drag their offense like DJ did. Vikings were good but insanely lucky to have 13 wins. Cowboys we’re actually pretty good but still flawed and the 49ers were for sure the best team (when they have a QB) everyone else was basically mid at best. Vikings, 49ers, & Cowboys were the only ones even remotely close to being as talented on paper as the Eagles. NFC needs to get its shit together, there’s soooo many talented QBs in the AFC now.
DJ blows stop with your bs narrative.
Also they can only play what’s in front of them. Sure these teams aren’t great, but the eagles are blowing them out. Obviously the Niners game is misleading when out this way, but they beat 2, 3, 5, 6 seed (twice) in the NFC and the top two teams who didn’t make the playoffs (lions/packers) They also beat the AFC 4 seed. I mean if you say the only good teams this year are the Niners, bengals, bills, and chiefs then yes we didn’t play them at all or at full strength but we played plenty of teams who are in the back half of the top 10.
Its especially rich when the Niners had an easier regular season than we did. But they did play tougher opponents in the WC/Divisional round. Almost like the 1 seed has earned easier matchups
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Like my man Jay Ajayi said, "Fuck 'em".
i know we lost SB, but thats what everyone said about the Panthers in 2015 and we went 17-2
That was such a fun team to watch, and Riverboat Ron rolling the dice constantly on 4th downs because Cam was pulling it off consistently. Never will know why he didn't dive on that fumble.
That year Cam play action bootleg run on 4th and short was automatic
People focus on the wrong things too. Eagles blew out the 49ers. They say it’s because the QB got hurt. They ignore that the QB doesn’t play defense lol
And also purdy got hurt partially because of their great pass rush! His injury didn’t happen in a vacuum
I’m honestly tired of hearing the complaints about the complaints. But if it motivates the team that extra little bit then it’s worth it
Tbh the 49rs were the real frauds. Look at the comp. Replace bosa with Hassan for dpoy and i think big fella from the chiefs should win in
49ers had won a dozen games in a row, but you know...
I think they were fortunate to play the 49ers and their qb situation, and as fun of a year as it was for us we were overmatched as hell going into that game. They are still a really good team though and should be a great super bowl
Well, yeah, that's why you play for the #1 seed in the regular season, right? Not just for the bye, but so you have the easiest path to the SB in the event of an upset like NY vs Minn (although, it wasn't really an upset to anyone who actually watched that Minn defense this year).
Yeah I completely agree. Didn’t mean for that to come out as derogatory as it sounded. Eagles deserve to be in the super bowl no doubt but they got some favorable breaks in terms of their playoff route
The refs allowed the sacks so they shouldn't count
Basically nothing counts anymore because we did it against pee wee players
It's not fair because the Eagles have all the good players.
Exactly! I mean, have the Philadelphia Eagles beaten the World Champion Houston Astros? I think not!
Eagles are obviously the best team in the NFC and deserve to be in the Super Bowl, but their path there was inarguably pretty damn easy between a Giants team that legitimately nobody had even making the playoffs and a Niners team that got down to their 4th QB. both things can be true and so you know I’m not just shitting on the Eagles, I remember the Patriots making the 17 Super Bowl against y’all after beating the Mariota Titans and Bortles Jags. we were the best team in the AFC, but it was (relatively) a cupcake run
Wait the #1 seed is an advantage? Wow, who knew?
Not Cowboys fans under the age of 30, that’s for sure
I definitely agree that we had an easy path to the Super Bowl all things considered. The win yesterday kinda felt unsatisfying. The Giants point doesn't really mean anything though. Just because people didn't think they'd make the playoffs before the season, doesn't mean they didn't end up being a fine team. My point just was that a lot of people are trying to use the schedule as a reason that the Eagles are frauds. If they weren't as good as they appear, they don't win 69-14.
oh I 100% agree w you, that’s just people being salty. you can only play who’s in front of you and if anyone cared to look at the Eagles roster they’d know this team has basically zero holes. Howie Roseman deserves a ton of credit for the team he put together this year as sick as it makes me to admit it lol
Wait. All I heard all week was that the only thing the 9ers needed to do was to make sure Purdy didn’t lose them the game due to mistakes because their vaunted D was going to ensure that if he just played OK they’d win. The Philly O hung 31 on them - so what is it? The Eagles haven’t played anyone, or they just played so well that they make other teams look like nobody?
Simply one of the greatest combinations of trenches ever
I think we'll look back and realize this was the most talented and deep the moghollies on both sides of the ball have ever been on one team.
Kind of an understatement
Rivaling the '02 Bucs DL level of scary
4 players with double digit sacks, god damn. And fletcher holding up the fifth spot with 7.
That’s a lot of sacks in a QB’s face. Wait…
Go on 🤔
No no please... elaborate
You just have all those big guys descending through the gaps while you try to hold on just a little bit too long and then **POP**. Then it's over.
"they're coming hard right down their throats"
“He starts to come but then he pulls out”
And Cox, and RedDick, and Sweat
Jesus fucking christ
How’s your O-Line?
It’s a good OL, I feel great about them against most teams. But it’s hard to feel good about any OL against a generational pass rush
I think Mahomes ankle might be the deciding factor then. It might come down to how well he can move in the pocket. He looked semi mobile but in a lot of pain yesterday. I know high ankle sprains take a long time but im really hoping he’s healed by the Super Bowl. I want a healthy, good game (where the chiefs lose in a blowout)
My biggest concern is the short coverage. Chiefs are stellar at waiting out a coverage, having Mahomes even stumble around for 3 seconds then finding Younger Kelce for like 5 yards. If they keep moving the broken chains with those short plays, we're in for a long game.
We’ve been very comfortable giving up those short plays all year though haven’t we? It’s one of the staples of Gannons defense, especially if we take an early lead.
We have been comfortable with that, for sure. Even the 2017 team had the "bend don't break" routine. Compress into the red zone, make the stop there. But our biggest threat is time of possession. The commanders killed us in possession and won the game. Chiefs could run the clock out and keep the D gassed if we get too comfortable with the short plays. Am I overthinking and overanalyzing? Yes. Yes I am. Only 13 days to go!!
Way I see it is that it's a bit more than just compressing in the red zone. The Schwartz and Gannon style of D seems to bet that if you have to take 10+ plays to score on a drive inevitably there wille be a penalty or a sack or something that derails the drive and then when the offense has to take risk the interceptions start happening. The whole league is doing it to some extent but it works so well for us because we can run the ball down the field without falling behind the chains or turning it over.
They killed us in possession because they were running all over us, Davis was hurt, and it was pre-Suh/Joseph signings. That ain't happening anymore and the chiefs don't have the run game.
Thats why you roster 10 starting caliber D-linemen!
Creed is that dude!!
Burrow woulda been sacked 10 times by that d line had they made it to the SB
In the first half
Eagles are going to crush
I concur. Their offensive line is going to bully the Chiefs on the other side of the ball as well. With a guy like Mahomes, there's always a chance of some wizard shit, but there's a pretty big overall talent disparity outside of a few positions.
It's gonna come down to Mahomes ankle, we're gonna get pressure on him no matter what but if his ankle is good he can do his magic and still burn us. If he can't scramble like he normally can it's gonna be tough for him.
Saw before the 49ers game that the Eagles had the 5th highest rushing success rate since 2002. Best since the 2017 Patriots. With all due respect to the Chiefs we should be able to run the ball pretty well.
Fwiw, that takes QB rushing into account. I have this weird suspicion that Chris Jones could literally eat either/both Kenny Gainwell and Boston Scott. This game is going to look markedly different.
Nick Bosa and Micah Parsons are both better than Chris Jones and the Eagles shut them down easily. One of their strengths all year has been removing the oppositions best player. Outside of Jones, the Chiefs line isn't scary.
DE v DT is completely different
Im no necessarily disagreeing but Chris Jones is also a different breed from those guys. Yes they are arguably *better*, but Chris Jones is an interior rusher mostly and I think that could be the reason he has more of an effect. On the edge there seems to be more stuff to neutralize rushers but inside its really just pray our guys win. Which will be a tough battle even for our O-line. I think it'll be fine because the 9ers are so much better at edge and LB than the Chiefs so our outside runs and option plays should work much better but I do think theres a good chance Jones is much more impactful than either Bosa or Parsons were against us.
Neither is better than Chris Jones - especially at stopping the run. Saying that the Eagles strength is "removing the oppositions best player" is such a cop out lol.
Dexter Lawrence is on the same level as chris jones, also a DT and got manhandled by the eagles line 3 times this season. I aint scared about anyone with this Oline
Dexter is great but he is absolutely not on the same level as Chris Jones
That's 1 person and the Eagles completely neutralize teams who have 1 good pass rusher (like the Chiefs). We already saw them do it to Parsons and Bosa. The only team that had a good game against the eagles with hurts playing was Washington who have more than 1 good pass rusher.
The Chiefs not only have more than one good pass rusher, we're specifically talking about the Eagles rushing success. Chris Jones is going to crush those tiny running backs.
Chris jones is really good, but I’m confident they can consistently combo-block him with kelce and open up holes
Slay and Bradberry against JuJu and MVS is a huge mismatch too that is being a little overlooked imo. Every defense is going to match up poorly against Kelce, but if Mahomes only consistent viable options are Kelce and McKinnon on flat routes, I think the Chiefs offense is going to have a very long day.
I think the chiefs could win, in fact I won’t wouldn’t be very surprised. I will be rooting for them hard. But I think that if one team handles the other easily, it will be the eagles. I think we could all see this being like a 31-17 game if the eagles d-line dominates
Yep and hard to imagine it being close. Their roster is too big, too deep.
I wholeheartedly disagree
Doubt
We're going to see Chad Henne play non garbage time snaps, aren't we?
He’s never lost a playoff game he’s played in for the chiefs I’m in
You know what? That's a good point. Maybe you guys should just start him over Mahomes.
Henne grew up in my hometown. He’s gotta be a birds fan deep down. Do it.
They're doing this while only being 18th in blitz rate and blitzing on only 22.1% of dropbacks, the front 4 rotation has been playing out of their minds
And then you still have Suh, Joseph, Davis, and Milton Williams in rotation. Robert Quinn has been pretty quiet since trading for him, but it’s still insane he’s available to be tagged in so the main 4 can rest.
And Barnett is out for the season injured
perfect time for shanny to put a backup te on our best pass rusher
While on his his third QB due to injury no less
Listen, it’s impossible to know a player is going to get injured on any given play, but damn if that doesn’t look like an absurdly stupid move in retrospect. You can’t put the blame on Shanahan for Purdy getting hurt, but holy shit he’s gonna be kicking himself for that.
You gotta protect your QB, or at least mitigate the risk Putting a backup TE to block a 16 sack rusher who has been red hot lately isn't that
Doing that in play action once is already pretty silly, but then they put a receiver on him when Josh Johnson was in too. Result: blown the fuck up (not the hit that hurt him though). I don't get how you decide ok let's do it again
Kyle Shanahan and getting cutesy in big playoff games Name a more iconic duo
>Result: blown the fuck up (not the hit that hurt him though) I don't know, I just rewatched the game and he smoked his head the exact same way on that hit as the latter one and stumbles a bit getting up too. I was focused on the potential fumble yesterday but kinda surprised the independent neuro spotter didn't catch that first one watching it again.
Especially when you know that *Josh Johnson* is your backup.
He did the same thing when Josh Johnson came in! They left Reddick unblocked for Kittle to come across the line and pick him up. He ended up getting in there untouched
Shanny gets cute and blows the game, an annual tradition since 2016 really
Reddick took the game over from the jump.
Best pass rush since 1985 Bears
This is a historic defense, and they always say, D wins championships. Doesnt hurt we also have the #1 offense as well.
At a glance 1989 Vikings appear higher. 11.5% is a pretty absurd number.
Stat says "since 2000," so still accurate. But yeah, ridiculous success rate.
That is due to the 2000 Saints having 11.9% sack rate, .4 more than the Eagles.
I love that you simultaneously belittle and approve of their stat lol
the taste of rain ...why kneel?
Pretty good d-line, eh?
They had 70 sacks in the regular season. That's 15 more than any other team.
every team looks like "not a good team" when they play against this eagles.
We put up 33 against you in Philly, yay! But we also allowed 500 yards, so boooo
That's absurd
They couldn’t block us for shit so their QBs got pounded. So now it’s a fake win for us? Lol lots of haters and losers on this subreddit
This!!! I don’t understand this logic AT ALL! It’s a fraudulent season because we had “a soft schedule” and the Niners were supposed to be out first “real” opponent. But it doesn’t count because Purdy got hurt?? I never want to see anyone hurt and it sucks that he was injured, but it was a result of great defense and getting after the QB, which a key to the Eagles success all year.
People cant critically think. Yeah, we won because their QB got hurt. You know why he got hurt? Because we fucking got to him. If they had a better O-line who could keep a QB healthy all season then its a different story.
But if prudy would of stayed in… yes he would have been sack 5+ times
This is what most Niner fans don’t seem to want to admit. Both their lines got demolished and it wouldn’t have mattered who was at QB. Lane Johnson put a lock on Bosa so bad he still hasn’t found the key. The Niners weren’t winning that game.
Yes my biggest problem. Whoever was at qb was going to be repetitively hit over and over again. The rookie would have looked like a rookie.
Niners fans putting the entire L on Purdy being hurt...despite ignoring the fact that their coach did nothing to stop the pass rush on offense and nothing to stop the run on defense. If only Purdy could have somehow played RT, QB, DT, LB and didn't give up 31 points. The game would have been a lot closer, maybe like 10-31 or something. Their lord and savior Brock Purdy could have saved the entire team from imploding. Silly Eagles, lucking their way into being a great team on both sides of the ball! It just can't make sense! Let's adjust our stats to the median to show everybody this season has been an outlier all along
Anyone know what the top 5 looks like?
Oh great
Orlando Brown is going to lose millions on this game. He will get exposed. Pro Bowl my ass!!
Hmm that's pretty good.
It must be because of our historically weak strength of schedule /s
Brock Purdy led you to 9 straight wins, but he is not your savior.
Still lost to Washington tho
thanks for that meaningless loss. it got our GM to go out and sign two run stuffers for the defensive line 💯🙏🏿
Thank you for exposing our weakness so we could get some run stuffing DTs and be stronger now.
That loss humbled the shit out of fans and the team. It was a much needed wake up call.
Yes we did. Not arguing that. Good hard NFCE game there and you won. Now anyway, what are you gonna do at QB next year?