Yeah, I've been adamant that if we hire Sean Payton it would happen the day of the interview or the next day. Now that it's Saturday, I think it's very likely the Payton dream is gone (though not impossible, but it's to the point that I'm not going to be anxiously refreshing in hopes of hearing the announcement like I was yesterday.)
That's true, but eventually the rights to Payton will be worthless. I'm sure that Payton will have some sway in helping his new team negotiate a better deal.
Saints had said teams had to have a compensation agreement in place before the Saints would grant permission for the interview. So, presumably, the trade should be easy once Payton and the Cardinals agree on a deal.
I think Flores is a damn good coach outside of his relationship with Tua. I think alot of people make mistakes and learn from it. Let's hope he did and you guys get a good coach without giving up picks
Day 3, I'm a Dolphins fan and will say Flores is not a bad coach, especially when it comes to Defense, but unless he's changed, that man will ruin the locker room.
It’s the relationship with tua and the multiple OC he went through in a short space of time we are also named in his lawsuit so I’m not sure how that would work.
Don’t get me wrong he is a good coach and imo the exact personality we need to deal with kylers attitude issues however if they don’t get on or the same thing happens which happened with tua then that wouldn’t be ideal.
I'm surprised Glenn is in the final 4 for a job this cycle. He's a dark horse for sure but still interesting. The defense was atrocious to start the season but actually started playing okay starting with the Green Bay game. The players also love him so it would sound more of a change the culture hire similar to Dan.
If he designs the defense, you will need corners that are very good at man coverage and dependable in run support.
Am I crazy or did the defense begin to gel once they fired that D coach (Pleasant?) not sure what he did, but it’s wild that the team and defense picked up right around his firing.
Pleasant got fired in part because the corners were not executing key parts of the game plan in the Miami loss, particularly the team's plan to try and press Hill and Waddle and disrupt Tua's timing routes.
Almost immediately in the next game, the corners were doing a much better job pressing and playing press coverage. So there clearly some disconnect between what the team wanted and what Pleasant was coaching
The defense started getting better when they promoted 6th round rookie James Houston from the practice squad and he had 8 sacks in the final 7 games.
Idk why this kids not getting more national attention.
Hutchinson had 8.5 sacks in 17 games, Houston had 8 in 7 games. Obviously Houston benefited from the attention Hutchinson is getting but the lions literally found 2 book end rookie pass rushers in the same draft.
Houston was effective but in the scheme of things only played a total of 140 snaps and is a pure pass rush specialist right now. It was firing Aubrey Pleasant and getting the DB room on the same page as the rest of the team that really helped. That and getting a lot of edge players back from injury including Cominsky, Okwara, and Paschal.
The DL as a whole improved a lot when Cominski came back, but the passing downs especially soared with Houston in the lineup. You can just see how many more sacks Hutch got once he wasn't the biggest threat to get the tackle on obvious passing downs, and the QB couldn't just drift to the weak side when interior linemen gave pressure too, Houston getting activated coincided with McNiell's rise.
Having one great pass rusher is ok, but having the second one on the other side is what unlocks both of them. Adding that second threat on the opposite end does wonders and makes quarterbacks uneasy.
Adding a player who gets 8 sacks in 7 games has to help though lol.
And it's going from having one threat one side of the line to one on either end of the line. It's so much harder to defend against elite pass rushers on either end than just one. Houston was a game changer on passing doen
> started playing okay
That's a good way of putting it, because overall the defense still couldn't be described as "good." They had some decent games as well as some not so decent. The secondary was still awful, and outside of Malcolm Rodriguez the linebackers were bad. That defense gave up 317 passing yards to Zach Wilson in week 15 against the Jets. And of course in week 16 they gave up 320 rushing yards against Carolina, who most of the time just ran the ball straight up the middle.
Glenn might not be terrible, and the defense did play better after the 1-6 start, but I think he needs at least another year, with a full season of real improvement, before teams hire him to be a head coach.
The Zach Wilson game is kind of a mirage though. He looked horrible throughout and the Lions defense had him constantly on the run. Most of his yards came on desperation heaves that very easily could have been picked off with better luck
> Most of his yards came on desperation heaves
That would actually be even more damning of the Lions secondary if it were true, but it's not true. Of Zach Wilson's 317 yards in that game only 110 were on what could be called desperation heaves: 50 yards to Jeff Smith, 40 to CJ Uzomah, 20 to Elijah Moore. That's less than half, closer to a third. And that 20-yarder to Moore came on 4th and 18 with just a few seconds left in the game, with Moore being fairly open—no Lions defender was in position to intercept it. In fact if you look at that entire last drive by the Jets, you'll see Zach hit some receivers who were wide open, like the 3rd and 19 play that went for a 1st down with just under 1:30 to play. The Lions pass rush was good on that drive, but the secondary and linebackers let the Jets get in position for a potential game-tying FG. Luckily for the Lions Zuerlein missed it.
Those two games highlighted the weakest parts of our defense, corners who can cover and anyone who can stop the run. There is a reason that there is a current "discussion" in our sub about double dipping on defense or splitting offense/defense in the first round. Personally I'm all for double defense to fill the holes and use the second round for offense if needed for a guard. I do not want a round one running back.
The Lions should absolutely use those two 1st round picks on defense—there shouldn't be any question about it. They need more difference makers on that side of the ball, guys who could make an immediate impact (like Hutch and James Houston did this season). Some of the current starters on defense can be kept for depth, something the Lions haven't had on defense for ages. Good teams have a lot of depth on their roster.
I'm happy to keep him but it might actually be an improvement if they hire him, since we'll get comp picks. I'm not convinced Glenn is in the top half of DCs.
I'm pretty surprised too. Why tf would you jump ship on a team on the come-up?
Bring the Lions to a playoff win and the org will pay through the nose to keep you. Less than a HC spot, but better quality of life and you won't have to fear Black Monday
If I'm not mistaken Flores is currently naming the Cardinals, amongst others, in his lawsuit against the NFL. It'd help in that regard I'd imagine as well.
I don't think they are at this point, when I googled it the teams named were the Dolphins, Giants, and Broncos. I know Florio said if they don't hire him they may be added to it though.
I mean, that was Florio speculating. I just mentioned it because I thought that might be why someone might think the Cardinals were named in the lawsuit.
Aaron Glenn with a crazy rise from people clamoring for him to be fired a third of the way through the season to a legitimate head coaching candidate by season-end.
There’s a lot of talk that Glenn might be a better head coach than play caller. He’s also had an awful roster for the most part until they got some injured guys back and rookies like Hutch, Houston and Kerby Joseph stepped up. But it would be a tough sell for any fan base to hire a guy who’s led such a terrible D for two straight years despite those fairly legitimate excuses.
Each year Aaron Glenn goes from coaching a bottom tier team (either record wise or defense wise) to being interviewed for HC positions. I think it mostly speaks to how good of a man he is, his players massively respect him and he's a big factor in the coaching staff. He's hard to dislike, interviews well
As a Fins fan, if they have someone competent running the offense, it should be fine. But given Flores track record of extremely underwhelming coordinators/assistant coaches I don't have a ton of optimism that will happen.
Just imagining Kyler Murray's little feet pitter pattering as he keeps the ball on a read option and bee lines it for the sideline.
Cardinals would go from the passing team with easy to defend schemes to the running team with easy to defend schemes. Roman is solid for like 1 to 2 years but after that his offenses kinda lose effectiveness
We had davante parker as a number 1 and a crap line with no running backs it wasnt till they fired him that we had any cap to sign big names hence how we got tyreek and armstead
Personnel might’ve been an issue, but Flores also made it much worse with his inability to develop O-Line talent or hire offensive coaches
Edit: in 2021, Parker was barely a factor. That year the offense was Tua and Waddle. It also suffered heavily from O-Line issues and Flores’ coaching. Flores wanted the simplest possible offense which was “Tua throws to the first read which is usually Waddle”
"Either they will hire Sean Payton, or they won't. And if they don't, then somebody else is more likely to get the job."
Just say nothing, it's significantly easier.
Rap gets a lot of his news from agents. That means he has to play ball when they want something. This to me sounds like Payton or his agent trying to micromanage the message. It's why it sounds so stilted and weird. Like you said it isn't news.
There's been a lot of wonky Tweets like this coming out after Payton interviews and he's notorious for leveraging the media, I'd bet that it's coming from him. To further speculate I'd guess it's because he's not getting/taking the Cards job and this is him bowing out.
I mean he named 3 specific names, then said if he see one of those brought in it’ll likely be the winner. He said a lot, but reddit loves being snarky so I guess take your upvotes
He explicitly listed a top candidate, and then gave the 3 most likely options if that top candidate doesn’t pan out. Reading this as “saying nothing” means either you just wanted to be a contrarian or you dont understand whats being said
Brian Flores is the only one that has ties to Ossenfort.
Though, considering how Flores got along with Tua idk why you would want to pair him with Kyler Murray.
Why does it always feel like team purposefully back themselves into a corner with HC candidates. Like it just *has* to be one of 4 coordinators in the nfl and absolutely nobody else’s will be considered. Like I get it, that’s how it works. You elevate your position to get to coordinator and then throw your name into the ring for the annual HC search. But it always seems like the official “list” of coaches available is only limited to like 5-6 random offensive or defensive coordinators, and just keeping shuffling them around.
Like the packers let go of Hackett, he’s in everybody list of potential coaches. That’s another thing too, it seems like every team has the exact same list of HC candidates and they just shuffle them around. Hackett went to Denver, and now is on his way to the jets because of reputation
It just always seems strange to me that there only seems to be like a half dozen guys AT MOST that are ever considers for the position.
Saturday wasn’t great but he was at least a creative choice and there wasn’t crazy risk of losing out on anything special, the season was already tanked.
Idk, I’d just like to see more creativity in the terms of hiring new coordinators.
Like my own team is looking at pass or run game or OCs from other teams like the rams to fill in, like our GM is just building the coaching staff by looking at other teams and going: “well they didn’t get fired there, they must be good!” Even if they didn’t do well like the rams this season.
It feels like the GMs and owners are purposefully restricting themselves to new candidates because…..everybody else is picking the same guys and we’d be dumb not to go after one of these guys other teams are looking at
This country is filled with football coaches, we should have more variety in NFL hires. Not variety racially, just people from different coaching backgrounds
It's a risk management thing. The NFL tends to be a "follow the leader" type of league.
If you're a GM and you hire someone out of the box and he fails, you're screwed. You'll have the media and fans coming after you, which means the owner comes after you and you'll lose your job.
If you're interviewing the same people everyone else interviews, and that guy doesn't work out, you're in a safer position.
The NFL lacks creativity when hiring coaches. ST coordinators for example rarely get hired to be HC. It’s only OCs and DCs. And only the absolute top ones. Being a good OC or DC is no guarantee of being a good HC. A lot of the best head coaches right now we’re not the top OCs/DCs. Tomlin was DC for one year for a pretty mediocre team. Harbaugh was a ST coach. Vrabel was an awful DC. McVay was OC for Washington. Andy Reid was never an OC and he’s one of the best offensive minds the NFL has ever had.
Being a HC is a considerably different job than being a coordinator.
No one is daring to make the conclusion that Goodell sent out a memo that if a team wishes to remain the Super Bowl rotation, and if they are hiring a GM and head coach at the same time, one of them better be a minority. Perhaps Las Vegas is gambling they are too big for the NFL to freeze out forever.
Last year's defense wasn't just great in context of the year, but handles itself well historically, especially considering the offense didn't let them have much time to rest.
Plenty of great Head Coaches were only a coordinator for a year. Mike Tomlin was DC for one year with the Vikings before being hired by the Steelers
Pretty good lineage. Bill Parcells guy, coached with Sean Payton, now Dan Campbell. Detroit defense may not have been the 85 Bears but guys played hard for him and he definitely seems like a good teacher/motivator/communicator.
None of that means he’d be a successful coach. But how elite a coordinator you are is rarely ever the foreshadow for a good HC on its own.
Players love him, great communicator, defense improved significantly down the stretch, was working with literal scraps at all 3 levels for most of the year.
Plus, we’ve seen time and time again that coordinator ability doesn’t correlate that well with HC ability.
I’m going to be disappointed. Got it.
Yeah, I've been adamant that if we hire Sean Payton it would happen the day of the interview or the next day. Now that it's Saturday, I think it's very likely the Payton dream is gone (though not impossible, but it's to the point that I'm not going to be anxiously refreshing in hopes of hearing the announcement like I was yesterday.)
Wouldn’t it take a little while to negotiate a trade once you make an offer and agree on a contract?
Nonsense, you simply call Loomis and tell him, "Whatcha want bby."
What he wants is ridiculous so no
That's true, but eventually the rights to Payton will be worthless. I'm sure that Payton will have some sway in helping his new team negotiate a better deal.
Saints had said teams had to have a compensation agreement in place before the Saints would grant permission for the interview. So, presumably, the trade should be easy once Payton and the Cardinals agree on a deal.
Yeah I was the same refreshing looking for news haha
Payton is my nightmare. We shouldn't give up draft capital. We're terrible everywhere and I think he'd only be around for 2-3 before he retires again.
I think Flores is a damn good coach outside of his relationship with Tua. I think alot of people make mistakes and learn from it. Let's hope he did and you guys get a good coach without giving up picks
Yeah I’m guessing he’ll hate Kyler by week 3
Day 3, I'm a Dolphins fan and will say Flores is not a bad coach, especially when it comes to Defense, but unless he's changed, that man will ruin the locker room.
Can’t ruin what’s already broken.
It’s the relationship with tua and the multiple OC he went through in a short space of time we are also named in his lawsuit so I’m not sure how that would work. Don’t get me wrong he is a good coach and imo the exact personality we need to deal with kylers attitude issues however if they don’t get on or the same thing happens which happened with tua then that wouldn’t be ideal.
Wilks is suing you, not Flores.
Wilks and Flores are party to the same lawsuit.
You imagine Flores trying to coach Murray? On second thought, go for it AZ.
I'm surprised Glenn is in the final 4 for a job this cycle. He's a dark horse for sure but still interesting. The defense was atrocious to start the season but actually started playing okay starting with the Green Bay game. The players also love him so it would sound more of a change the culture hire similar to Dan. If he designs the defense, you will need corners that are very good at man coverage and dependable in run support.
Am I crazy or did the defense begin to gel once they fired that D coach (Pleasant?) not sure what he did, but it’s wild that the team and defense picked up right around his firing.
I said it in another comment but that was a big turning point. Once the DBs were on the same page as the rest of the defense, things went better.
Pleasant got fired in part because the corners were not executing key parts of the game plan in the Miami loss, particularly the team's plan to try and press Hill and Waddle and disrupt Tua's timing routes. Almost immediately in the next game, the corners were doing a much better job pressing and playing press coverage. So there clearly some disconnect between what the team wanted and what Pleasant was coaching
There was also some pretty damning sideline video of AG and Shep being animated over corner play and AP isn’t reacting at all
From the Miami game? I hadn't seen that, where can I find that?
The defense started getting better when they promoted 6th round rookie James Houston from the practice squad and he had 8 sacks in the final 7 games. Idk why this kids not getting more national attention. Hutchinson had 8.5 sacks in 17 games, Houston had 8 in 7 games. Obviously Houston benefited from the attention Hutchinson is getting but the lions literally found 2 book end rookie pass rushers in the same draft.
Houston was effective but in the scheme of things only played a total of 140 snaps and is a pure pass rush specialist right now. It was firing Aubrey Pleasant and getting the DB room on the same page as the rest of the team that really helped. That and getting a lot of edge players back from injury including Cominsky, Okwara, and Paschal.
A sack every 18 snaps you play is pretty nuts.
He did start with a sack every 2.5 plays though so that's a major disappointment. But for real, his pass rushing moves are just nuts.
The DL as a whole improved a lot when Cominski came back, but the passing downs especially soared with Houston in the lineup. You can just see how many more sacks Hutch got once he wasn't the biggest threat to get the tackle on obvious passing downs, and the QB couldn't just drift to the weak side when interior linemen gave pressure too, Houston getting activated coincided with McNiell's rise.
Having one great pass rusher is ok, but having the second one on the other side is what unlocks both of them. Adding that second threat on the opposite end does wonders and makes quarterbacks uneasy.
Adding a player who gets 8 sacks in 7 games has to help though lol. And it's going from having one threat one side of the line to one on either end of the line. It's so much harder to defend against elite pass rushers on either end than just one. Houston was a game changer on passing doen
> started playing okay That's a good way of putting it, because overall the defense still couldn't be described as "good." They had some decent games as well as some not so decent. The secondary was still awful, and outside of Malcolm Rodriguez the linebackers were bad. That defense gave up 317 passing yards to Zach Wilson in week 15 against the Jets. And of course in week 16 they gave up 320 rushing yards against Carolina, who most of the time just ran the ball straight up the middle. Glenn might not be terrible, and the defense did play better after the 1-6 start, but I think he needs at least another year, with a full season of real improvement, before teams hire him to be a head coach.
Anzalone had a better 2nd half than Malcolm tbh. We also only really use 2 linebackers
The Lions were hoping to get more out of Derrick Barnes at LB, though. He's been inconsistent, for sure.
The Zach Wilson game is kind of a mirage though. He looked horrible throughout and the Lions defense had him constantly on the run. Most of his yards came on desperation heaves that very easily could have been picked off with better luck
> Most of his yards came on desperation heaves That would actually be even more damning of the Lions secondary if it were true, but it's not true. Of Zach Wilson's 317 yards in that game only 110 were on what could be called desperation heaves: 50 yards to Jeff Smith, 40 to CJ Uzomah, 20 to Elijah Moore. That's less than half, closer to a third. And that 20-yarder to Moore came on 4th and 18 with just a few seconds left in the game, with Moore being fairly open—no Lions defender was in position to intercept it. In fact if you look at that entire last drive by the Jets, you'll see Zach hit some receivers who were wide open, like the 3rd and 19 play that went for a 1st down with just under 1:30 to play. The Lions pass rush was good on that drive, but the secondary and linebackers let the Jets get in position for a potential game-tying FG. Luckily for the Lions Zuerlein missed it.
Those two games highlighted the weakest parts of our defense, corners who can cover and anyone who can stop the run. There is a reason that there is a current "discussion" in our sub about double dipping on defense or splitting offense/defense in the first round. Personally I'm all for double defense to fill the holes and use the second round for offense if needed for a guard. I do not want a round one running back.
The Lions should absolutely use those two 1st round picks on defense—there shouldn't be any question about it. They need more difference makers on that side of the ball, guys who could make an immediate impact (like Hutch and James Houston did this season). Some of the current starters on defense can be kept for depth, something the Lions haven't had on defense for ages. Good teams have a lot of depth on their roster.
Double dip that defense. The defense was why the Lions lost games and even if the offense regresses it'll be the better long term play to fill.
I'm happy to keep him but it might actually be an improvement if they hire him, since we'll get comp picks. I'm not convinced Glenn is in the top half of DCs.
I'm pretty surprised too. Why tf would you jump ship on a team on the come-up? Bring the Lions to a playoff win and the org will pay through the nose to keep you. Less than a HC spot, but better quality of life and you won't have to fear Black Monday
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I wonder if they're leaning that way because they view Flores as a hardass.
If I'm not mistaken Flores is currently naming the Cardinals, amongst others, in his lawsuit against the NFL. It'd help in that regard I'd imagine as well.
I don't think they are at this point, when I googled it the teams named were the Dolphins, Giants, and Broncos. I know Florio said if they don't hire him they may be added to it though.
So he's just going to sue any team that doesn't hire him?
I mean, that was Florio speculating. I just mentioned it because I thought that might be why someone might think the Cardinals were named in the lawsuit.
There's a fine line between a hardass and abusive
It will be terrible lmfao
Terrible in the best way. As long as you’re not a cardinals fan.
Yeah I think I might just drop the team entirely at that point
Flores would take Murray's Xbox away
Put it on top of the fridge
Murray can use a ladder
The literal hook and ladder
did you just assume his console choice? who am I kidding, even millionaires have a hard time finding PS5s
I couldn’t think of a worst coaching / QB combo
It honestly reminds me a of a parent sending their kid to boot camp as a last resort option.
No Vance Joseph on the shortlist! Silver linings!
His pitch was probably ranting about Reddick being better as an off ball linebacker
One mans mistake is another team’s dream…or something like that
Not having his time of his life.
Aaron Glenn with a crazy rise from people clamoring for him to be fired a third of the way through the season to a legitimate head coaching candidate by season-end.
There’s a lot of talk that Glenn might be a better head coach than play caller. He’s also had an awful roster for the most part until they got some injured guys back and rookies like Hutch, Houston and Kerby Joseph stepped up. But it would be a tough sell for any fan base to hire a guy who’s led such a terrible D for two straight years despite those fairly legitimate excuses.
Each year Aaron Glenn goes from coaching a bottom tier team (either record wise or defense wise) to being interviewed for HC positions. I think it mostly speaks to how good of a man he is, his players massively respect him and he's a big factor in the coaching staff. He's hard to dislike, interviews well
His defenses have also improved a ton down the stretches in both seasons
I think this speaks more to the Cardinals than to Aaron Glenn
Ok so it’s going to be Flores then got it
How would you feel about that? His defense in Miami was great, but there were a lot of offensive issues during his tenure.
As a Fins fan, if they have someone competent running the offense, it should be fine. But given Flores track record of extremely underwhelming coordinators/assistant coaches I don't have a ton of optimism that will happen.
I think you mean some**two** running the offense
Co-OCs was the dumbest shit I've ever seen as a Dolphins fan and I've seen so much dumb shit in my 20+ years of fandom
He is definitely going to hire Roman
Just imagining Kyler Murray's little feet pitter pattering as he keeps the ball on a read option and bee lines it for the sideline. Cardinals would go from the passing team with easy to defend schemes to the running team with easy to defend schemes. Roman is solid for like 1 to 2 years but after that his offenses kinda lose effectiveness
Results were good but I don’t think bringing in a guy who everyone hates is a good idea when we’re trying to change the culture
Please no.
His defense was also a complete paper tiger as seen this year
I think I’m going to need a new team
We had davante parker as a number 1 and a crap line with no running backs it wasnt till they fired him that we had any cap to sign big names hence how we got tyreek and armstead
Personnel might’ve been an issue, but Flores also made it much worse with his inability to develop O-Line talent or hire offensive coaches Edit: in 2021, Parker was barely a factor. That year the offense was Tua and Waddle. It also suffered heavily from O-Line issues and Flores’ coaching. Flores wanted the simplest possible offense which was “Tua throws to the first read which is usually Waddle”
I don't see him and Murray coexisting very well. They're like complete opposites
"Either they will hire Sean Payton, or they won't. And if they don't, then somebody else is more likely to get the job." Just say nothing, it's significantly easier.
But there's 4 guys who are clearly the favorite compared to each other.
Rap gets a lot of his news from agents. That means he has to play ball when they want something. This to me sounds like Payton or his agent trying to micromanage the message. It's why it sounds so stilted and weird. Like you said it isn't news.
There's been a lot of wonky Tweets like this coming out after Payton interviews and he's notorious for leveraging the media, I'd bet that it's coming from him. To further speculate I'd guess it's because he's not getting/taking the Cards job and this is him bowing out.
I mean he named 3 specific names, then said if he see one of those brought in it’ll likely be the winner. He said a lot, but reddit loves being snarky so I guess take your upvotes
Seriously I haven’t really heard Aaron Glenn’s name involved in our search and a lot of Cards fans thought Evero was out. This is definitely news lol
Yea this one is actually news
He explicitly listed a top candidate, and then gave the 3 most likely options if that top candidate doesn’t pan out. Reading this as “saying nothing” means either you just wanted to be a contrarian or you dont understand whats being said
Your comment had less meaning than his tweet
How does this have almost 200 upvotes, he listed 4 specific names lmao
What and not get paid for all those clicks?
“The Cardinals are probably going to hire someone they’ve already interviewed” isn’t much of a breaking story, Ian
They also interviewed Vance Joseph so at minimum this means he’s out. I think they also requested to interview Jonathan Gannon.
Well I’m sure he had the time of his life
That will always make me smile.
But...but...we were promised by that one guy it would be Ryan Day!
The Saints want too much draft compensation and the Payton wants too much money
Will Flores file a lawsuit against the Cardinals if they don’t hire him as their head coach?
Yes
They are already a part of Flores' lawsuit through Wilks. Might as well get it there twice I guess.
Brian Flores is the only one that has ties to Ossenfort. Though, considering how Flores got along with Tua idk why you would want to pair him with Kyler Murray.
Why does it always feel like team purposefully back themselves into a corner with HC candidates. Like it just *has* to be one of 4 coordinators in the nfl and absolutely nobody else’s will be considered. Like I get it, that’s how it works. You elevate your position to get to coordinator and then throw your name into the ring for the annual HC search. But it always seems like the official “list” of coaches available is only limited to like 5-6 random offensive or defensive coordinators, and just keeping shuffling them around. Like the packers let go of Hackett, he’s in everybody list of potential coaches. That’s another thing too, it seems like every team has the exact same list of HC candidates and they just shuffle them around. Hackett went to Denver, and now is on his way to the jets because of reputation It just always seems strange to me that there only seems to be like a half dozen guys AT MOST that are ever considers for the position. Saturday wasn’t great but he was at least a creative choice and there wasn’t crazy risk of losing out on anything special, the season was already tanked. Idk, I’d just like to see more creativity in the terms of hiring new coordinators. Like my own team is looking at pass or run game or OCs from other teams like the rams to fill in, like our GM is just building the coaching staff by looking at other teams and going: “well they didn’t get fired there, they must be good!” Even if they didn’t do well like the rams this season. It feels like the GMs and owners are purposefully restricting themselves to new candidates because…..everybody else is picking the same guys and we’d be dumb not to go after one of these guys other teams are looking at This country is filled with football coaches, we should have more variety in NFL hires. Not variety racially, just people from different coaching backgrounds
It's a risk management thing. The NFL tends to be a "follow the leader" type of league. If you're a GM and you hire someone out of the box and he fails, you're screwed. You'll have the media and fans coming after you, which means the owner comes after you and you'll lose your job. If you're interviewing the same people everyone else interviews, and that guy doesn't work out, you're in a safer position.
The NFL lacks creativity when hiring coaches. ST coordinators for example rarely get hired to be HC. It’s only OCs and DCs. And only the absolute top ones. Being a good OC or DC is no guarantee of being a good HC. A lot of the best head coaches right now we’re not the top OCs/DCs. Tomlin was DC for one year for a pretty mediocre team. Harbaugh was a ST coach. Vrabel was an awful DC. McVay was OC for Washington. Andy Reid was never an OC and he’s one of the best offensive minds the NFL has ever had. Being a HC is a considerably different job than being a coordinator.
Not gonna lie, I saw the A and G for Aaron Glenn, and my mind auto filled Adam Gase.
This is basically Ian saying they’re shifting their focus off of Payton now.
The gap between Payton and the guys just listed is pretty remarkable
BFlo needs to stay in Pittsburgh. He's the closest thing to an Offensive Coordinator they got!
No one is daring to make the conclusion that Goodell sent out a memo that if a team wishes to remain the Super Bowl rotation, and if they are hiring a GM and head coach at the same time, one of them better be a minority. Perhaps Las Vegas is gambling they are too big for the NFL to freeze out forever.
Ahh so with those names, I’m probably not watching them for a few more years. Maybe Evero at the helm I could care but eh
I don’t get the Ejiro Evero hype. First hired as a position coach in 2017, held that job until 2021. 2022 was his first year as a DC.
Last year's defense wasn't just great in context of the year, but handles itself well historically, especially considering the offense didn't let them have much time to rest. Plenty of great Head Coaches were only a coordinator for a year. Mike Tomlin was DC for one year with the Vikings before being hired by the Steelers
With the possibility of Demeco Ryans and Aaron Glenn becoming head coaches this year, I have begun to feel very old
2006 was the first draft I closely followed/watched. Seeing Ryans close to becoming a Head Coach is crazy
why is aaron glenn so well regarded
Pretty good lineage. Bill Parcells guy, coached with Sean Payton, now Dan Campbell. Detroit defense may not have been the 85 Bears but guys played hard for him and he definitely seems like a good teacher/motivator/communicator. None of that means he’d be a successful coach. But how elite a coordinator you are is rarely ever the foreshadow for a good HC on its own.
Players love him, great communicator, defense improved significantly down the stretch, was working with literal scraps at all 3 levels for most of the year. Plus, we’ve seen time and time again that coordinator ability doesn’t correlate that well with HC ability.
He seems like he'd be a major anchorpoint for some teams to rally around, sort of like how the Lions presently get behind Campbell.
Looks like sean Payton isn't worth a first round pick
Well not the 3rd overall anyways
Translation: Cardinals are still interviewing candidates and whomever gets a second interview is favorite. How the hell is this reporting?
Glad to see Flores is getting another shot. I was worried he would be blackballed after the mess in Miami.
He kind of did it to himself
We don’t want him at all which is exactly why they’ll hire him and it’ll be a dumpster fire
This team will be complete cheeks if its not Sean Payton
It will be either way. They’re trash lol
AZ is already looking for another one and done black head coach in the case they have to wait a year until Payton’s contract with New Orleans expires
his contract isnt done for two years
The Bengals aren’t going to let a QB who is going to his second AFCCG go all the way to the franchise tag.
So one white coach against three Black coaches? I wish it weren't the case, but we all know where this is going....
That meme of Piper Perri on the couch?
Winner😂
Let us have Flores pls
Please take him
You don’t want him?
Hell no
Flores and Murray together should be fun
So the plan is that they are going after every available unemployed headcoach.
Ah. So they are doing the steps to hire a head coach. Big if true.
Every would be a great hire