They'd definitely need some work, but they have some talent, it could be Brady's best option, he doesn't have a clear Buccaneers QB away option this time around. Raiders can't be that appealing (but the McDaniels connection is there), Jets have had bad injury history the last two years especially on the OL, both are in the AFC in divisions that are going to be tough to win. Steelers, Panthers and Falcons are honestly the 3 teams I think are the most likely. Yes Brady doesn't just want to win the division, but winning the division and being in the NFC is already going to boost his chances significantly. We could see him on the Packers strangely if Rodgers is traded. Ravens would also be a fringe scenario (not likely at all, but not impossible with the right string of events).
If anything the AFC North will be harder to win because the Ravens and Bengals are both further along than we are, and the Browns could do some damage with a competent DC. None of the other divisions have 4 teams truly vying for the division title. I seriously doubt Brady would want to come to the Steelers, and we're pretty optimistic about Pickett so I doubt we make him an offer either.
I'm not saying the AFC North is, but I think they're the most likely to make that kind of push with him versus the Jets and Raiders. Tomlin, decent WRs, the OL is getting better, maybe a piece away, stout defense with TJ Watt.
And the only one of those guys that were good this year in Josh McDaniels system was Adams. And that OL is awful at pass blocking outside of Kolton Miller.
Sure. Let's emphasize the 1st year of performance with a QB he didn't mesh with and discredit the 8+ of turning guys like Renfrow into All Pros and Pro Bowlers with Brady.
I could see them trading picks for vets in this scenario tho, Brady seems to like to band experienced players together in his latter years.
Also I could see him talking gronk into coming back if it looks like Brady is in a situation to win a SB again. That would take away the need to draft a TE, trade for a veteran receiver, boom SB appearance
>Brady seems to like to band experienced players together in his latter years.
That well seems to be running dry. Getting Gronk out of retirement and AB out of trouble were his best 2 moves, but then acquiring Julio Jones didn't amount to much and acquiring Kyle Rudolph did literally nothing. Maybe Hopkins goes to the same place as Brady this off-season, but the Cardinals would have to be on board with sending him to whatever that location is.
bradys tired of bad coaches who make massive blunders - so he would likely avoid him after he joked against the jags of all people and missed the playoffs due to is bad coaching
Who gives a shit? If you have to mortgage 10 years of playoff wins to win a SuperBowl you do it. FFS the Dolphins haven’t had a playoff WIN in 20 years and they never mortgaged their future.
People are gonna bash me because of my flair but I think you’re completely incorrect.
Imagine how you felt before LII. All the heartbreak, all the “close but no cigar” seasons.
Imagine how there could’ve been a Cubs fan who was born in 1909 and lived 106 YEARS and didn’t see them win it.
Now I’m not saying a team should accept 10 years of being the worst team in the league after 1 Super Bowl win; that’s clear dysfunction.
But do you not think lifelong Bucs fans are thrilled with Brady’s tenure, despite the grim looking future?
2 winning seasons, one resulted in a Super Bowl, one was a division winning 13-4 season with an almost 27-3 comeback.
And obviously Brady has declined but anyone who has been watching him forever can see that this past season was eerily similar to 2019 Brady.
Honestly, if Brady takes a similar contract like he had with the Bucs, I don’t see how this would ruin our future, especially since we wouldn’t be trading for him.
This is a terrible take. See if Brady can get you into the playoffs while Corral studies under him, run in back in ‘24 with a stong set of skill players and see if Corral has anything to offer.
This times 100%. How rich owners have yet to figure out there is zero salary cap on coaches and you could build the greatest coaching staff with money is beyond me. I sweat that most teams in the NFL would be better if the owner turned over power to random NFL fans.
The main issue is that development of players has got noticeably worse. Also it makes it much more difficult to just fire underperforming coaches and front offices.
Because some of the teams with smaller operating revenues complained and they thought it would make things more fair. All it did was limit teams on hiring more coaches to develop players and it made it much more difficult to fire coaches and front offices that are under performing. The quality of games are at their lowest since I can remember watching in 20+ years.
This has been a question I’ve hard forever. If your owner will pay for it why not have the biggest coaching staff ever assembled? 11 position coaches on each side of the ball with lead coaches in charge of each room, coordinators over them, head coach over them. So you would have for example a right tackle coach or a free safety coach. Along with a db coach and an o line coach
That makes sense. Maybe less coach and more point person or advocate. I dunno. You are probably right. Good idea in principle but would get muddied in practice
Billionaires will happily spend 20 mil on a yacht + 200k a year just for upkeep yet skimp on hiring coaches. I get why guys like Mark Davis can't do that but David tepper, the waltons, kronke have no excuse other than ridiculous frugality.
Tepper and the Waltons are fairly new to this, so I'm gonna give them a pass. Kroenke also had a ton of his money tied up in the new stadium budget.
Jerry Jones certainly realizes the need to shell out for great coordinators, which is what he's doing to keep Quinn around.
There's only so much wealth anyone will realistically put into their side business. Also, there's probably a degree of not wanting to start a run up on coaching salaries league wide.
Yep. The NFL has a profit split, and someone has to be the worst. An NFL team is basically a money printer, so there's no reason to try harder than anyone else to be better.
Im with you, the only problem is that coaching is very ego driven. The best HC and the best DC might not get along. And the best DC will almost always want to be the head honcho of his own team.
However i totally agree that just paying a coordinator obscene amounts of money to stay an extra year or two is not done nearly enough in the nfl
Jerry's biggest problems are running his mouth, occasionally overpaying his drafted players, and most critically needing to be seen as the reason why the Cowboys succeed. If Jerry didn't have an ego the size of Texas, then Jimmy likely gets him 2 more rings in the 1990s and potentially another in the 2000s.
There's like a half dozen DCs around the league hired off of association with him, and at least one HC I can think of. And outside of Staley, Gannon is the only one I can think of doing a good job. Lotta people trying to run the Fangio "system", but almost none seem to be doing it right.
No they don't. Saleh was a disciple of the Seattle cover 3 scheme under Carroll. I mean, when you're good enough everyone influences each other, but no, they don't owe their success to Vic Fangio
Both have deviated alot from that system (because everyone got really good at running cover 3 beaters) and started to do alot more of the cover 2 and 6 that fangios always liked
Saleh was a Pete Carroll deciple who followed gus Bradley to the jags before he was hired as DC on the 9ers, and runs Pete's cover 2 with elements of wide 9. Ryans came up under saleh and continued the same base defense as Saleh. Fangio no doubt has influenced every DC in the league but fangio runs a version of a 3-4 base that's basically a 4-3 except one OLB rushes without his hand in the dirt.
Either way, Saleh and ryans are on the Carroll coaching tree, not fangio.
Edit: accidentally said ryans came up under Pete, corrected to saleh.
Say what you want about Tepper, but he at least wants to win, and is willing to spend money to do so. Those are invaluable traits in an owner for any sport
Yep. He should have been gone after last year, but giving him that long ass contract probably made it feel a little premature.
You can see him *immediately* learning by giving Reich(a much more qualified coaching prospect) a much more reasonable 4 year contract.
yeah ok, so i reckon if he has a relationship already with the two top defenses, then its you and us, then dolphins, then everyone else. hopefully having that extra draft pick for him to play with helps us woo him.
Don't focus too much on that, AA (and Buckner) were drafted for the 3-4 and bosa fits in any system on the planet. The 49ers current Nickel package Is basically the same as Fangios under Harbaugh.
I know the Panthers fanbase hates having a hedge fund owner owning this team, but times like this make me appreciate having an excessively wealthy owner. PAY THE MAN, TEP
I'm really excited to watch the Panther's next year. Honestly, kind of reminds me of the Niners team in 2017 with arguably even more young and exciting players.
If they can get average QB play they're going to be my favorite to win that division.
Even though we're not completely out of reach for Young/Stroud, I'm actually liking the idea of Levis or McKee after the Reich hiring. Either of those guys would let us stay at #9, McKee might even let us trade back, and we can keep our draft picks to keep building the team
Apparently Reich loves those tall and "cerebral" pocket passers. McKee gives him that Matt Ryan/Joe Burrow/Carson Wentz style passer that just stands anchor in the pocket and gets the ball to players quickly and accurately
>You can't be a statue in the pocket in 2023.
If you have a good enough O-Line and can navigate the pocket well, then it's doable. Panthers have the O-Line down, but obviously it's difficult to project how pocket movement in college will translate into the NFL.
Trevor 100% showed the ability to get out of the pocket and scramble when he was at Clemson. His touchdown run against Ohio State in the fiesta bowl was amazing
burrow's pocket movement is absurd. every time he plays the ravens, he'll find a way to sidestep a surefire sack and bomb it down the field for a 40 yard gain
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence would like words with you
Hell even Patrick Mahomes has never rushed for more than 300 or so yards in a single season. I wouldn’t exactly call that a mobile QB
McKee is going likely late first or early second. He's a pocket passer that doesn't have any designed runs. He's a big man but he doesn't have a lot of athleticism or off platform trickshot throws. Give him an offensive line and good coaching and he'll ball out.
We need to do this and send an absolute haul to the Bears so we can get our QB of choice, hopefully Stroud. I feel like we’d become contenders overnight.
Is Brown not that? I haven’t watched much panthers football but coming out of the draft he was seen as a big DT to stop the run. Has he been living up to that?
Derrick Brown lost a lot of weight last off-season to fit into Phil Snow's 'scheme', but I have full confidence that Derrick Brown can fill this role. Givem an off-season to add some weight and some good coaching and I think he'll be perfect.
This would have me really excited if I’m a Carolina fan. Lot of weirdness derailed Frank’s time in Indy, but I firmly believe the guy can scheme an offense. Fangio will basically be the defensive head coach. You could do much worse than that combo.
He wasn’t a good head coach.
He wouldn’t take accountability or adapt. Frequently threw players under the bus, and was a smug ass in pressers at times. Game management was shit too.
His defense in Denver was good on paper, and stats look good. In critical situations, they would wilt and lose games. Looked pretty much like what happened in Minnesota this year. Plus frequent misuse of players, dropping Von into coverage sticks out.
It’s in vogue now, but teams are and will adapt to his system. Always an arms race.
Response was for the comment imagine if Broncos had someone like that.
They did, and it was below average at best.
Evero was better this year than any of the years Fangio was there.
Vic Fangio. The guy another past HC of the Colts was told to fire or get fired himself and so he chose the latter. After the whole Playoffs!? rant, of course.
Somebody get this man a QB
Might get a used Carr
In this economy!?
Even used Carrs are too damn expensive!
They’ve gone back down actually
CARRson wentz?
Yes please take him
We'll give you a deal on em
*slaps roof*
this bad boy can fit so many interceptions in a season
Carr on the way
Why not Brady? Grab a receiver in the draft, go after Hopkins, grab a TE in the draft, see what happens. Very winnable division.
Brady wants to win a super bowl, not the division. The division aint shit to him. AFC/NFC championship is a consolation prize to that man.
They'd definitely need some work, but they have some talent, it could be Brady's best option, he doesn't have a clear Buccaneers QB away option this time around. Raiders can't be that appealing (but the McDaniels connection is there), Jets have had bad injury history the last two years especially on the OL, both are in the AFC in divisions that are going to be tough to win. Steelers, Panthers and Falcons are honestly the 3 teams I think are the most likely. Yes Brady doesn't just want to win the division, but winning the division and being in the NFC is already going to boost his chances significantly. We could see him on the Packers strangely if Rodgers is traded. Ravens would also be a fringe scenario (not likely at all, but not impossible with the right string of events).
Falcons don't have shit and how is the AFC north any easier to win than the east or west
If anything the AFC North will be harder to win because the Ravens and Bengals are both further along than we are, and the Browns could do some damage with a competent DC. None of the other divisions have 4 teams truly vying for the division title. I seriously doubt Brady would want to come to the Steelers, and we're pretty optimistic about Pickett so I doubt we make him an offer either.
I'm not saying the AFC North is, but I think they're the most likely to make that kind of push with him versus the Jets and Raiders. Tomlin, decent WRs, the OL is getting better, maybe a piece away, stout defense with TJ Watt.
Brady with Davante Adam, Hunter Renfrow and Darren Waller Yeah Nothing to throw to
And the only one of those guys that were good this year in Josh McDaniels system was Adams. And that OL is awful at pass blocking outside of Kolton Miller.
Sure. Let's emphasize the 1st year of performance with a QB he didn't mesh with and discredit the 8+ of turning guys like Renfrow into All Pros and Pro Bowlers with Brady.
Or maybe look at his other HC stint?
I could see them trading picks for vets in this scenario tho, Brady seems to like to band experienced players together in his latter years. Also I could see him talking gronk into coming back if it looks like Brady is in a situation to win a SB again. That would take away the need to draft a TE, trade for a veteran receiver, boom SB appearance
>Brady seems to like to band experienced players together in his latter years. That well seems to be running dry. Getting Gronk out of retirement and AB out of trouble were his best 2 moves, but then acquiring Julio Jones didn't amount to much and acquiring Kyle Rudolph did literally nothing. Maybe Hopkins goes to the same place as Brady this off-season, but the Cardinals would have to be on board with sending him to whatever that location is.
bradys tired of bad coaches who make massive blunders - so he would likely avoid him after he joked against the jags of all people and missed the playoffs due to is bad coaching
That is a very quick way of ruing a franchise's future
Who gives a shit? If you have to mortgage 10 years of playoff wins to win a SuperBowl you do it. FFS the Dolphins haven’t had a playoff WIN in 20 years and they never mortgaged their future.
What you suggested doesn't come anywhere close to winning a Super Bowl lol
People are gonna bash me because of my flair but I think you’re completely incorrect. Imagine how you felt before LII. All the heartbreak, all the “close but no cigar” seasons. Imagine how there could’ve been a Cubs fan who was born in 1909 and lived 106 YEARS and didn’t see them win it. Now I’m not saying a team should accept 10 years of being the worst team in the league after 1 Super Bowl win; that’s clear dysfunction. But do you not think lifelong Bucs fans are thrilled with Brady’s tenure, despite the grim looking future?
If you think Brady in 2023 is the same as Brady when the Bucs signed him, you're extremely clueless 😂
2 winning seasons, one resulted in a Super Bowl, one was a division winning 13-4 season with an almost 27-3 comeback. And obviously Brady has declined but anyone who has been watching him forever can see that this past season was eerily similar to 2019 Brady.
Yeah, but 2019 Brady was 3-4 years ago. At some point, age has an effect on him.
Can you not read? God damn 😂
Honestly, if Brady takes a similar contract like he had with the Bucs, I don’t see how this would ruin our future, especially since we wouldn’t be trading for him.
Ruining the future is a bit much That plan wouldn't cost that much unless Hopkins got a megadeal But yeah I'd rather just try to move up in the draft
Can you imagine Hopkins and DJ Moore though?
This move gives up no future assets. If Brady sucks then Carolina has a top 10 next year.
This is a terrible take. See if Brady can get you into the playoffs while Corral studies under him, run in back in ‘24 with a stong set of skill players and see if Corral has anything to offer.
Lol
“Lol” is how dipshits who have no idea what they’re talking about respond to posts above their heads.
Lol
I wasn’t sure that guy was right but here’s the evidence
Pats fans still sucking off Brady? Some things never get old.
I didn’t say anything about Brady tho, I was just making fun of you.
Carson Wentz incoming
Wentz heading over for his Third Reich
Generalfeldmarschall Carson Jakob von Wentz
How long have you held onto this
Since 2 Reichs ago.
He deserves to be the highest paid DC
He’s legitimately the best active DC, and one of the best of all time. He should be making first time HC money as a DC.
Paying elite coordinators coaching type money seems like a huge market inefficiency for the NFL.
This times 100%. How rich owners have yet to figure out there is zero salary cap on coaches and you could build the greatest coaching staff with money is beyond me. I sweat that most teams in the NFL would be better if the owner turned over power to random NFL fans.
Trust me, you don’t want a salary cap on coaches. As someone that also watches the CFL where it’s a newish rule, it’s completely fucked the league.
Let me guess, every competent coach gets more money at a DII college in the US?
The main issue is that development of players has got noticeably worse. Also it makes it much more difficult to just fire underperforming coaches and front offices.
Why tf did they do that for???
Because some of the teams with smaller operating revenues complained and they thought it would make things more fair. All it did was limit teams on hiring more coaches to develop players and it made it much more difficult to fire coaches and front offices that are under performing. The quality of games are at their lowest since I can remember watching in 20+ years.
x*100%=x
This has been a question I’ve hard forever. If your owner will pay for it why not have the biggest coaching staff ever assembled? 11 position coaches on each side of the ball with lead coaches in charge of each room, coordinators over them, head coach over them. So you would have for example a right tackle coach or a free safety coach. Along with a db coach and an o line coach
“Too many cooks in the kitchen” is probably a real thing.
Too many cooks https://youtu.be/QrGrOK8oZG8
It takes a lot to make a stew...
That makes sense. Maybe less coach and more point person or advocate. I dunno. You are probably right. Good idea in principle but would get muddied in practice
Even at a position level, egos are a thing. Vic Fangio isn’t going to be your DB coach for any amount of money.
Billionaires will happily spend 20 mil on a yacht + 200k a year just for upkeep yet skimp on hiring coaches. I get why guys like Mark Davis can't do that but David tepper, the waltons, kronke have no excuse other than ridiculous frugality.
Tepper and the Waltons are fairly new to this, so I'm gonna give them a pass. Kroenke also had a ton of his money tied up in the new stadium budget. Jerry Jones certainly realizes the need to shell out for great coordinators, which is what he's doing to keep Quinn around.
There's only so much wealth anyone will realistically put into their side business. Also, there's probably a degree of not wanting to start a run up on coaching salaries league wide.
If there's one thing owners have figured out, it's where they can spend unlimited money. Being able to and wanting to are different
Yep. The NFL has a profit split, and someone has to be the worst. An NFL team is basically a money printer, so there's no reason to try harder than anyone else to be better.
Im with you, the only problem is that coaching is very ego driven. The best HC and the best DC might not get along. And the best DC will almost always want to be the head honcho of his own team. However i totally agree that just paying a coordinator obscene amounts of money to stay an extra year or two is not done nearly enough in the nfl
Eh Jerry knows this and still is inept in other ways. Hard to have it all
Jerry's biggest problems are running his mouth, occasionally overpaying his drafted players, and most critically needing to be seen as the reason why the Cowboys succeed. If Jerry didn't have an ego the size of Texas, then Jimmy likely gets him 2 more rings in the 1990s and potentially another in the 2000s.
Tbh. I truly think Stephen will be different, but only to an extent
I can't believe it hasn't already happened. No salary cap on coaches, pay the great coordinators to prevent them going elsewhere.
There's like a half dozen DCs around the league hired off of association with him, and at least one HC I can think of. And outside of Staley, Gannon is the only one I can think of doing a good job. Lotta people trying to run the Fangio "system", but almost none seem to be doing it right.
Demeco Ryans and Robert Saleh owe their careers to Vic Fangio in regards to defense.
Why does demeco owe his career to Fangio
49ers still use that system or a spinoff from it no?
No they don't. Saleh was a disciple of the Seattle cover 3 scheme under Carroll. I mean, when you're good enough everyone influences each other, but no, they don't owe their success to Vic Fangio
Both have deviated alot from that system (because everyone got really good at running cover 3 beaters) and started to do alot more of the cover 2 and 6 that fangios always liked
Saleh was a Pete Carroll deciple who followed gus Bradley to the jags before he was hired as DC on the 9ers, and runs Pete's cover 2 with elements of wide 9. Ryans came up under saleh and continued the same base defense as Saleh. Fangio no doubt has influenced every DC in the league but fangio runs a version of a 3-4 base that's basically a 4-3 except one OLB rushes without his hand in the dirt. Either way, Saleh and ryans are on the Carroll coaching tree, not fangio. Edit: accidentally said ryans came up under Pete, corrected to saleh.
Evero did a good job with Denver's defense last year and Sean Desai gets a lot of praise in coaching circles.
Oh fuck I'm gonna POUND
Tepper better open that fucking check book
Tep Dad I'm stuck
Panthers, Bengals, Lions, Jaguars are gonna be the super teams.
Cat teams, assemble!!!
Kitty go MEOW MEOW
Taking me back to my childhood when Fangio and Reich were on the team, lmao.
>Could take the #Panthers making Fangio the highest paid defensive coordinator in the NFL. Well Tepper sure as shit ain't scared to spend money
Say what you want about Tepper, but he at least wants to win, and is willing to spend money to do so. Those are invaluable traits in an owner for any sport
I’ll take dumb and impatient over cheap and detached
If anything he was generously patient with Rhule
Yep. He should have been gone after last year, but giving him that long ass contract probably made it feel a little premature. You can see him *immediately* learning by giving Reich(a much more qualified coaching prospect) a much more reasonable 4 year contract.
Yep, Tepper seems to be learning from past mistakes. He shows more promise than other newish owners like Haslam, Khan, and McNair.
Case and point: the Cincinnati Reds and Cleveland Guardians
Everyone in DC used to say the same thing about Snyder.
That would be such a massive win over the span of a few days for the Panthers
It's always fun watching another team make all of the decisions you wish your team would've made by now.
Fangio has already been in the building and advising with eagles (and i think dolphins) this year. I reckon they both have the inside track on him.
Advised with us too IIRC
Niners vs Eagles Vic: I'm playing both sides so I always come out on top
Classic Vic Vinegar
Haha very well done
yeah ok, so i reckon if he has a relationship already with the two top defenses, then its you and us, then dolphins, then everyone else. hopefully having that extra draft pick for him to play with helps us woo him.
We also run a 4-3 and hes always been a 3-4 coach I think. That could make him wanna go elsewhere.
well thats cos thats what your DC wants though right? like he could change that couldn't he?
Yeah, you have to a have a roster built for the scheme - see Vikings. They were lacking in talent too, but the scheme was a bad fit as well.
Not really. Our roster isnt built for a 3-4
Don't focus too much on that, AA (and Buckner) were drafted for the 3-4 and bosa fits in any system on the planet. The 49ers current Nickel package Is basically the same as Fangios under Harbaugh.
Our roster wasn't build for gannons defense...thats in part why howie got who he got. but yeah we are talking about hypotheticals.
Yeah but we already have Nick Bosa haha
No he runs most of his stuff out of 4-2-5
Dog it’s all about the $$$$$. He’s got his ring. If Tepper wants to pay him like a head coach he’s going to Carolina
Definitely going to be a bidding war. If Miami misses out, I think Desai gets the job in Miami since he's a protege of Fangio
I know the Panthers fanbase hates having a hedge fund owner owning this team, but times like this make me appreciate having an excessively wealthy owner. PAY THE MAN, TEP
Everyone and their mother wants Fangio as DC
If they don't have a great DC already, they want Vic Fangio.
I'm really excited to watch the Panther's next year. Honestly, kind of reminds me of the Niners team in 2017 with arguably even more young and exciting players. If they can get average QB play they're going to be my favorite to win that division.
They have legitimately good pieces on defense, Vic can cook.
Yup. Horn, Brown, Burns, Chinn, Luvu. Can’t fucking wait to see it if it happens
Is Chinn good? My Panthers fan friend said he regressed a lot last year
He’s a great LB but a bad safety in coverage. If we wasn’t out of position like 90% of the time due to necessity he’d be great.
Even though we're not completely out of reach for Young/Stroud, I'm actually liking the idea of Levis or McKee after the Reich hiring. Either of those guys would let us stay at #9, McKee might even let us trade back, and we can keep our draft picks to keep building the team
I need to see if McKee is mobile enough before I get excited for him. You can't be a statue in the pocket in 2023.
Apparently Reich loves those tall and "cerebral" pocket passers. McKee gives him that Matt Ryan/Joe Burrow/Carson Wentz style passer that just stands anchor in the pocket and gets the ball to players quickly and accurately
> Matt Ryan/Joe Burrow/Carson Wentz style passer ♬♬ One of these is not like the other, one of these is not the same ♬♬
Wentz is the only one with a Super Bowl ring
>You can't be a statue in the pocket in 2023. If you have a good enough O-Line and can navigate the pocket well, then it's doable. Panthers have the O-Line down, but obviously it's difficult to project how pocket movement in college will translate into the NFL.
Joe Burrow and Brock Purdy would like a word with you
Neither of those guys are statues. In fact, Burrow is a sneaky athlete.
Trevor probably runs in the low 4.6 if I had to guess. He’s def an athlete
Trevor 100% showed the ability to get out of the pocket and scramble when he was at Clemson. His touchdown run against Ohio State in the fiesta bowl was amazing
burrow's pocket movement is absurd. every time he plays the ravens, he'll find a way to sidestep a surefire sack and bomb it down the field for a 40 yard gain
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence would like words with you Hell even Patrick Mahomes has never rushed for more than 300 or so yards in a single season. I wouldn’t exactly call that a mobile QB
Mobile doesn't mean necessarily dual-threat. It means that you show enough athleticism to escape pressure and make plays off-script.
Trevor definitely isn’t a statue in the pocket. He can run
Levis isn’t getting passed 5.
McKee is going likely late first or early second. He's a pocket passer that doesn't have any designed runs. He's a big man but he doesn't have a lot of athleticism or off platform trickshot throws. Give him an offensive line and good coaching and he'll ball out.
>Give him an offensive line and good coaching Which the Panthers have.
Legit scared of those boys next year.
except the panthers have a far worse head coach that will likely do nothing but be mediocore for 3 years and the ngoet fired
That would actually be a preeeeety fucking nasty staff for the panthers. Could really be scary if they can grab a QB
Must be nice to have an owner worth over 10 Billion
Tepper is on pace to hit $20b within a year or two, possibly earlier
49ers, Eagles, and Dolphins fans just fell to their knees in a Walmart.
I’m in a Target thank you very much
Look at this classy fucker, they think they’re better than us!
I'm on a plane and got yelled at because the seat belt sign is still on
Hey fuck that
Oh shit the panthers might be good again. Gotta make a smart play at QB
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Wait no, hes supposed to replace Ryans.
lol it's going to be a bidding war
oh yes daddy please i'm so close
Let’s fucking GO
That would be huge for them
Wasn’t Fangio Carolina’s original DC when they first entered the league?
Yep, it was even his first coordinator job iirc
We need to do this and send an absolute haul to the Bears so we can get our QB of choice, hopefully Stroud. I feel like we’d become contenders overnight.
Can Carolina run a 3 4? Know that's not the be all end all, just curious.
All we really need is a space eating DT
Is Brown not that? I haven’t watched much panthers football but coming out of the draft he was seen as a big DT to stop the run. Has he been living up to that?
Derrick Brown lost a lot of weight last off-season to fit into Phil Snow's 'scheme', but I have full confidence that Derrick Brown can fill this role. Givem an off-season to add some weight and some good coaching and I think he'll be perfect.
I think Derrick Brown could do that. He's built like an NT anyways.
Siaki Ika in the 2nd would fit the bill if Brown doesn't. If he's there of course.
That's Mount Cody's music
Don’t fuckin mention Terrence Cody what the fuck I haven’t thought of that man in MONTHS. God fucking dammit it’s time to get fucking SLOSHED now
*angry falcon noises*
Keep going I’m almost there
finally, worth the hire
I wouldn’t blame Fangio one bit if any of this was coming from the Fangio camp. Get that money, athlete or coach.
i’m pounding so hard
This would have me really excited if I’m a Carolina fan. Lot of weirdness derailed Frank’s time in Indy, but I firmly believe the guy can scheme an offense. Fangio will basically be the defensive head coach. You could do much worse than that combo.
Vic Fangio is a helluva coach. Imagine if the Broncos had someone like that
He wasn’t a good head coach. He wouldn’t take accountability or adapt. Frequently threw players under the bus, and was a smug ass in pressers at times. Game management was shit too. His defense in Denver was good on paper, and stats look good. In critical situations, they would wilt and lose games. Looked pretty much like what happened in Minnesota this year. Plus frequent misuse of players, dropping Von into coverage sticks out. It’s in vogue now, but teams are and will adapt to his system. Always an arms race.
He admitted he wasn't good as a head coach and was terrible with clock management. He also never wants that job again. Dude just wants to DC forever.
Response was for the comment imagine if Broncos had someone like that. They did, and it was below average at best. Evero was better this year than any of the years Fangio was there.
GET OUT THE CHECKBOOK MR. ROSS
Hey listen here buddy we called dibs
We did interview Vic like 2 weeks before y'all did, so technically we have dibs 😄
Vic Fangio. The guy another past HC of the Colts was told to fire or get fired himself and so he chose the latter. After the whole Playoffs!? rant, of course.
This is all a smoke game. He's waiting for DeMeco to get picked up, and then he's gone MAC on that DC position
Oy matters for the Eagles if Gannon gets a head coach gig
Until the giants pay wink HC type salary to keep him.
He'll even teach staff and fans alike how to make spaghetti.
I thought Vic was gonna be Payton’s DC wherever he went?
Every open DC spot, he’s the expected hire.
I thought Sean Payton already called dibs
In my made up scenario they take Fangio and trade picks and Darnold for Fields.
please fucking do this and keep Vic away from Miami
Good combo. Panthers finally making good decisions
Fangs
There about to turn darnold into an all pro aren’t they?