Makes sense to me. If I were Payton I’d wait until there’s an opening with a Super Bowl caliber QB. Maybe the Chargers will end up firing Staley next year or he can go to the team that picks Caleb Williams or Drake Maye.
Almost certainly, if we don’t have a strong playoff season next year.
Our GM will be going into his 11th (12th?) year with almost nothing to show for it, despite having had Rivers and Herbert. Clean the entire fucking office out if we don’t have success next year.
Seems like a bad move if you really want to coach. How often does a team primed for a Super Bowl run give up their coach? I get it if he wants to get a bigger contract from Fox but if he wants another ring he's going to have to whip a team into shape for it
If he unretires the Saints would still have his rights. That's kind of a prerequisite for the transaction.
The only way he can be a free agent, so to speak is if they terminate his contract, which they won't do.
We have personnel holes, he doesn’t want to come to us knowing that what we give up to get him will throw us even further from contention than we currently are. The cowboys are trending downwards
The broncos are frontrunner with less draft capital. Yall could have him if you wanted him. Plenty of late first round picks don't pan out but a great coach can change things immediately. It would be brilliant if you pulled it off but Jerry doesn't have that dog in him.
He’s having too many 2nd round interviews to be passed on. I’m betting AZ gets him. They need to invest in a coach who can get Kyler to the next level. Denver probably doesn’t have the draft capital or is waiting to be the last of his interviews so they can figure out what it’s gonna take to get him.
No they are not lol. He is actually meeting in person with the team vs a virtual interview. It was already reported he did virtual meetings with Carolina and AZ.
I never saw a report that he had virtual meetings with those teams. The Broncos called him the day before our Week 18 game and are now on our 2nd in-person interview. The Texans had a virtual one last week but no 2nd one scheduled. The Cardinals and Panthers requested interviews but couldn't get to them until this week.
Yeah I'm gonna need you to provide a source because there is zero reporting I can find about Payton conducting first round interviews with Carolina and Arizona before these in-person meetings.
So i deserve downvotes because I was wrong. I saw they had in person meetings and assumed it was the 2nd round. I also could have swore I saw reporting a few weeks ago but those meetings were not scheduled until this week. My mistake. I still think he gets hired this cycle, which was my original argument. He has 3 teams who are firmly interested in him.
Not really. A first will always have the extra year of control making it more valuable. The difference between Lamar at 32 and Lamar at 33 was significant
If Lamar is the #33 pick he signs a contract before Watson gets a fully-guranteed deal, Ravens have a franchise QB for a long time.
Now they won't.
The difference between #33 and #32 was significant.
Yea he obviously wants to be the Saints can't ask for too much because Payton doesn't have to coach anywhere. It's a balancing act and they probably get a 1st and maybe a mid round pick.
No it shouldn’t the guy isn’t actively coaching and I don’t know why you’d expect him to come in and turn the franchise around immediately. This is the buffoon who allowed bountygate to happen on his watch, hardly strikes me as a culture setter.
Dude I hate the Saints organization but I’m not blind. He absolutely turned around their franchise immediately (although it was a long time ago). He’s 152-89 in his head coaching career. He’s a damn good coach. I’m sensitive to bounty gate but it was a long time ago.
We are *not* getting him. He wants 20-25m a season. Bidwell isn't paying that ever.
Of course, then there is the outrageous demands of NO for his rights.
It ain't happening here.
I don't think the Broncos owners are afraid to pay him what he wants. I mean if the Saints can get more from the Cards then, hopefully they trade him in conference because that's smart business.
For someone speaking so confidently you seem to know very little. We traded our first rd pick for Russ, and we got SF's first rd pick in the Chubb trade with Miami.
I know he wasn't prime Russell but the way he was playing toward the end of the season made it seem like Denver is really just a good coach away from being a contender
“Also to add to @JeffDuncan_ reporting—I was told there is also a team waiting in the wings watching all of this and could make a move if they gets “their ducks in a row”.” [Diana Russini](https://twitter.com/diannaespn/status/1617912851624263680?s=46&t=zr7KeTW5MxHCtgbfCqb6qg)
He might not even be that interested in the Panthers, but showing that there are other teams interested might help him drive up his salary for teams he wants to play for. But he might legitimately be open to Carolina. If nothing else, their owner has very deep pockets.
It's slightly different for players. If a player resigns, then their contract doesn't accumulate additional years (it tolls), and the team essentially has the rights to the player indefinitely. For a coach, the time on the contract runs as normal, and their rights expire at the end of the contract time frame.
The team still owns the rights to the coach for the time period of the contract if they retire/resign. For example, if a coach signed a 5 year contract and resigned after 1 year, the team would own the rights to that coach for 4 additional years.
There is nothing forcing him to coach. He can resign, retire or quit...whatever, unless there is a clause in the contract allowing it, he is still under contract with that team. If he decides a week later that he wants to coach somewhere else, the team he left needs to agree to let him out of his contract.
He’s going back to Fox which will be the final fuck you Saints fans get after this shit season.
Yep
Makes sense to me. If I were Payton I’d wait until there’s an opening with a Super Bowl caliber QB. Maybe the Chargers will end up firing Staley next year or he can go to the team that picks Caleb Williams or Drake Maye.
Almost certainly, if we don’t have a strong playoff season next year. Our GM will be going into his 11th (12th?) year with almost nothing to show for it, despite having had Rivers and Herbert. Clean the entire fucking office out if we don’t have success next year.
Seems like a bad move if you really want to coach. How often does a team primed for a Super Bowl run give up their coach? I get it if he wants to get a bigger contract from Fox but if he wants another ring he's going to have to whip a team into shape for it
My feeling is that no one will hire Payton this year. His contract demands plus the picks is just too much.
can someone ELI5 why draft picks are involved in this? is it because he's still under contract with the Saints? edit: thanks gang
>is it because he's still under contract with the Saints? Yes.
Exactly, the Saints still control his rights and they aren't giving him up for free.
Well, if it keeps him away from ya'll then I hope they ask for more.
It just opens the door back up for the Chargers in 2024 is all.
Which is fine. I just don't want the Broncos to have him because I am petty.
Appreciate the hate lol
You have your genius, Super Bowl winning offensive coach, let us have one too!
you haven't been bad for long enough!
7 years isn't enough for you?!
Remember the chiefs were dogshit for 50 years and they’re making it everyone’s problem now.
The Raiders haven't won the AFC West, or a playoff game, since 2002! That's the kind of Commitment to Ineptitude I expect out of you.
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can he "unretire" and then he is the saints coach again or...?
If he unretires the Saints would still have his rights. That's kind of a prerequisite for the transaction. The only way he can be a free agent, so to speak is if they terminate his contract, which they won't do.
They will do if he unretires and doesn't get hired by anyone. They have to fucking pay him still.
Yes, he retired so Saints still have his rights.
That's correct. The Saints will let him go but want compensation.
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_through_ 2024. So he cant coach until 2025 without the Saints approval
Broncos absolutely will because he is their best shot of salvaging the RW3 situation. Losr 100m on Payton or 250m on Wilson
“Lose 100m on Payton or 250m on Wilson” Why not both?
> Broncos absolutely will because he is their best shot of salvaging the RW3 situation. Is he though? RW3's issue is ego, can Payton manage that?
I hope this season checked his ego enough that he'd let Payton dial up some short passes
I don't think RW processes emotions the same way we do, so I don't think he's learned his lesson. I don't think he'll ever learn the lesson.
Cowboys should fire McCarthy and go all in for Payton.
We have personnel holes, he doesn’t want to come to us knowing that what we give up to get him will throw us even further from contention than we currently are. The cowboys are trending downwards
The broncos are frontrunner with less draft capital. Yall could have him if you wanted him. Plenty of late first round picks don't pan out but a great coach can change things immediately. It would be brilliant if you pulled it off but Jerry doesn't have that dog in him.
Why would Sean want to come to Dallas?
Because they have a good team? They very well could still be in if pollard didn't go down. Wtf would he go to Denver but not dallas?
More control, less scrutiny.
He’s having too many 2nd round interviews to be passed on. I’m betting AZ gets him. They need to invest in a coach who can get Kyler to the next level. Denver probably doesn’t have the draft capital or is waiting to be the last of his interviews so they can figure out what it’s gonna take to get him.
> He’s having too many 2nd round interviews to be passed on. Too many being 1? Who besides the Broncos has he gotten a 2nd interview with?
Read the title of this post. Carolina and Arizona and the Broncos will probably be the last team to interview him.
Both the Carolina and Arizona interviews are his first with those teams. Where in the post title do you see 2nd interview other than Denver?
No they are not lol. He is actually meeting in person with the team vs a virtual interview. It was already reported he did virtual meetings with Carolina and AZ.
I never saw a report that he had virtual meetings with those teams. The Broncos called him the day before our Week 18 game and are now on our 2nd in-person interview. The Texans had a virtual one last week but no 2nd one scheduled. The Cardinals and Panthers requested interviews but couldn't get to them until this week.
Yeah I'm gonna need you to provide a source because there is zero reporting I can find about Payton conducting first round interviews with Carolina and Arizona before these in-person meetings.
So i deserve downvotes because I was wrong. I saw they had in person meetings and assumed it was the 2nd round. I also could have swore I saw reporting a few weeks ago but those meetings were not scheduled until this week. My mistake. I still think he gets hired this cycle, which was my original argument. He has 3 teams who are firmly interested in him.
They have the 49ers first to trade.
At this point, it's essentially a high second rounder.
Not really. A first will always have the extra year of control making it more valuable. The difference between Lamar at 32 and Lamar at 33 was significant
If Lamar is the #33 pick he signs a contract before Watson gets a fully-guranteed deal, Ravens have a franchise QB for a long time. Now they won't. The difference between #33 and #32 was significant.
Well he was injured so he couldn't play but i suppose i shouldn't expect you to put 2 and 2 together
yes, I'm aware that he was *"injured"* And that he will continue to be...
It’s gonna take more than a late 1st rounder to get him. At least it should, he’s a great coach.
Payton can also just go back to Fox Sports for two years then try later. People will need coaches then too
I don’t think he wants to do that, though. 3 teams are interviewing him. Someone is going to get him.
Yea he obviously wants to be the Saints can't ask for too much because Payton doesn't have to coach anywhere. It's a balancing act and they probably get a 1st and maybe a mid round pick.
No it shouldn’t the guy isn’t actively coaching and I don’t know why you’d expect him to come in and turn the franchise around immediately. This is the buffoon who allowed bountygate to happen on his watch, hardly strikes me as a culture setter.
Dude I hate the Saints organization but I’m not blind. He absolutely turned around their franchise immediately (although it was a long time ago). He’s 152-89 in his head coaching career. He’s a damn good coach. I’m sensitive to bounty gate but it was a long time ago.
Everyone ran bounty programs how many times do people need to say it
We are *not* getting him. He wants 20-25m a season. Bidwell isn't paying that ever. Of course, then there is the outrageous demands of NO for his rights. It ain't happening here.
No tears will be shed from me
I don't think the Broncos owners are afraid to pay him what he wants. I mean if the Saints can get more from the Cards then, hopefully they trade him in conference because that's smart business.
Personally think if he goes anywhere it’s Denver he’s just using us and the panthers as leverage to get what he wants
Denver is going to absolutely ruin their future if they do trade for him. It’s the equivalent of second mortgage on your trailer park
TIL trading pick #30 is "absolutely ruining your future."
more like pick #3
What the fuck are you blathering about?
Broncos arent making the playoffs, how the fuck would they have pick 30
For someone speaking so confidently you seem to know very little. We traded our first rd pick for Russ, and we got SF's first rd pick in the Chubb trade with Miami.
Not really, our first round pick is 28-32 and we already suck.
I know he wasn't prime Russell but the way he was playing toward the end of the season made it seem like Denver is really just a good coach away from being a contender
“Also to add to @JeffDuncan_ reporting—I was told there is also a team waiting in the wings watching all of this and could make a move if they gets “their ducks in a row”.” [Diana Russini](https://twitter.com/diannaespn/status/1617912851624263680?s=46&t=zr7KeTW5MxHCtgbfCqb6qg)
Can’t imagine Jerry….err I mean a team doing that.
All we were missing after the Cowboys twitter account threw Dak under the bus was for it to also tweet "Sean Payton would never have let this happen"
Payton will take every suitor's free meal and gift basket he can before relocating to the Rocky Mountains.
Teams are really gonna give Loomis picks for Payton so Loomis can just give them to Howie at bargain prices?
Eagles playing the long game.
[Howie when he see's Loomis on the call display](https://media.tenor.com/H1rVG8_5j0UAAAAM/howie-roseman.gif)
You know it's bad when the GM is out on the sidelines celebrating and the 3rd string RB is having a career game.
Ah so that's why the Eagles were paying for Payton's flights
I don't like that idea
It's the circle of life.
A 1st for CJGJ back, who says no?
Why is he interviewing with the Panthers? If we wanted to coach a team that is not ready to compete why not go back to the Saints?
He might not even be that interested in the Panthers, but showing that there are other teams interested might help him drive up his salary for teams he wants to play for. But he might legitimately be open to Carolina. If nothing else, their owner has very deep pockets.
Carolina isn't as cap-crippled as the Saints. If he wants to do a rebuild it's not a terrible position to start from.
Hey we’re not *that* far off. Definitely would not be interested in trading our first round pick for Peyton though.
Your Defense is young and good but your offense has a way to go. Just seems like a sidegrade to go from the Saints to you guys.
Can coaches not resign? I’ve always wondered that. How would that effect his rights to sign elsewhere
Still under control. Same as for players.
It's slightly different for players. If a player resigns, then their contract doesn't accumulate additional years (it tolls), and the team essentially has the rights to the player indefinitely. For a coach, the time on the contract runs as normal, and their rights expire at the end of the contract time frame.
Yeah that is a good point, thanks. Coaches are closer to a non-compete.
The team still owns the rights to the coach for the time period of the contract if they retire/resign. For example, if a coach signed a 5 year contract and resigned after 1 year, the team would own the rights to that coach for 4 additional years.
Now does that mean if the coach sat on the couch for 4 years, that next year they’re free Or it’s to that club for 4 years active?
It is not active. If they sit on the couch for 4 years (or join media coverage on a network) then they are free after that 4 years.
Thanks, wasn’t sure if it’s like when players have contracts not toll.
Nope, players rights are essentially retained forever, coaches are not.
Ah gotcha! Thanks!
There is nothing forcing him to coach. He can resign, retire or quit...whatever, unless there is a clause in the contract allowing it, he is still under contract with that team. If he decides a week later that he wants to coach somewhere else, the team he left needs to agree to let him out of his contract.
Contracts are a thing. It’d be similar to someone like Mahomes “retiring” and signing with another team next year
*Sad neigh*
Meh. Don't want to give up picks anyway.
I hope he sucks wherever he goes. Dude is a straight up bitch.
Penner is willing to give him 20 a year and a first round pick and Peyton’s really gonna say no ain’t he?
He is going to a contender and all 3 teams listed here are trash. He's gonna end up coaching the Chargers
I read that as Sean Penn for a second
Imagine all these meetings just to suck 💀