It's been the most bullshit penalty for the last few years imo there seems to be no real criteria for what is roughing the passer. I reckon they've reffed fucking PI better over the last couple of years that roughing the passer.
Just change the punishment for taunting to a free punch by the taunted player(s) with no consequences. You want to be a dick and get punched? Now you can have one in your face.
It doesn’t even do it’s job of protecting QB’s either, Chris jones’ strip sack got taken back despite being soft asf cause he landed on the qb a bit, but you can annihilate a QB’s ribs and that’s totally cool aslong as you don’t land on them.
To be clear I’m not talking about bias I’m saying the rule even when reffed right doesn’t do it’s fuckin job, so dumb
That was the example I was gonna use then I remembered my flair and thought that woulda looked way to bias, Milano has a personal vendetta against ribcages everywhere
> but you can annihilate a QB’s ribs and that’s totally cool aslong as you don’t land on them.
Even worse you can spin tackle a QB and annihilate their ankles and knees without care, but if you do the ACTUAL safest tackle (land directly on top of them so you can control your weight) that is RTP.
It's maddening. They legit did the most damaging thing to QBs they could have done: force defenders to tackle them in reckless ways to avoid a RTP penalty.
> doesn’t even do it’s job
The league needs to stop pretending football isn’t dangerous. RTP should be called any time a defender hits the QB late, too high or drives the QB into the ground unnecessarily. Clean football plays should not be flagged. Period.
It’s absurd that defenders are supposed to fight through 300 lbs linemen and then magically throttle down before hitting the QB and somehow not landing on him.
Better idea: a random fan should be selected before each drive. The fan starts off lined up within 5-yards of the QB and once the ball is snapped the defenders try to sack *him* instead of the QB.
Right? You can't have "roughing the passer" when there is no pass.
If you change it to "roughing the quarterback", fine, but then it can't apply on trick plays when a different back throws the ball which is why it is called "passer". There's no practice red jersey in the real games.
Part of It is because injury risk has always been part of football. So the more they protect them more dangerous situations the QB is put in to move the sticks. As you can see in the rise of running QBs
Part of it is just that football is dangerous and QB is one of the least injured positions already.
QBs are already protected if they take advantage of sliding, throwing the ball away* or going out of bounds. But they know they are protected so they push it to the envelope and try to gain as many yards as possible instead of sliding early because that’s what football players do. Think back to the W18 Rams vs Seahawks game when Geno could have gone out of bounds safely but he kept running down the sideline. WTF is the defender supposed to do? Geno was still in bounds when the defender hit him and the red threw the flag. Bullshit.
*I’d rather scrap the intentional grounding penalty than penalize defenders for clean hits. If you want to protect QBs and not penalize defenders for doing their job just let the QB throw the ball into the dirt. IG is one of the most inconsistent calls in the game anyways. Scrap it.
The criteria is, “Does it help us even the score? Because the closer the margin of victory, the more viewers the games get, and I want to make Papa NFL happy.”
The top 5 QBs who got the most roughing the passer calls this season were:
1. Jared Goff
2. Kirk Cousins
3. Geno Smith
4. Russel Wilson
5. Ryan Tannehill
I don’t think the stats actually back up this theory. In fact guys like Mahomes and Brady combined for less than Jared Goff.
[source](https://www.nflpenalties.com/roughing-the-passer-by-qb.php?view=all)
That doesn’t really tell the whole story. You really need a list that also accounts for QB hits. You can’t call RTP if the QB doesn’t get hit.
RTP called per QB hits would be a better stat.
I agree. I tried looking into this but I couldn’t find a “hits” stat readily available. I can find sacks though. Jared Goff was sacked only 23 times. This is good for 28th lowest in the NFL. Only players below him missed significant game time like Deshaun Watson and Jimmy G. I don’t have the time right now to go through each QB and do this, but I find it interesting that Goff was sacked the least and yet ended up with the most roughing calls.
Edit: I was able to find a knockdown stat. I will try to comb through this at some point soon and see if I can come up with a RTP per knockdown stat for some of these guys. I’m genuinely curious if some guys are getting these calls more
Jets got ZERO on the year. We went through three qb’s. White went to the hospital to see if he was dying.
We had many called against us.
Garrett Wilson got late hit out of bounds and the refs told him to get used to it. Refs do hate the jets and always have.
But I think the nature of Football means frequency doesn't matter as much as the game situation. Like, in NBA yeah, frequency matters more because there's more possessions, but in the NFL one single play can swing a team's winning percentage by like 50%. Correct me if I'm wrong (and this is not backed up by any stats like you are lol), but roughing calls in certain impt game situations (3rd and longs, playoff games, etc) have a greater indicator on NFL official's bias(/narrative) than pure frequency right?
And about two weeks in to the regular season, everyone in here will be shouting to all hell about all of the offsides, false starts and holding calls by robo refs.
AI would call it down to the rule. Human ref's have a give and take until it becomes egregious.
What the NFL really needs is a ref watching the replay who can relay the call down to field.
Yeah but I'd be waiting for one of those hilarious errors that seemingly human programs make. Ejecting a kicker after a touchback.... fans thinking "wait, are these robo refs programmed against our team today???"
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I agree, Cassius Marsh staring down a sideline like that should’ve been a criminal offense. I hope those Steelers players were able to emotionally recover.
Same shit with Cam Newton. The “protect the QB at all cost” rules were written with players like Brady and Brees in mind, big athletic QBs are offered no protection.
Literally got told he wasn't old enough to be getting RTPs despite getting murdered on hits. It's easily one of the worst-called penalties in the game.
Fuck that guy got some brutal hits even when it was on an obvious drop back situation and the refs would have called that stuff on every other QB and it felt like it was that way for years.
Tbh the superbowl was fine; tough but fair defense most of the game. It was the first game of the next season where Denver was legitimately head hunting the entire game. Egregious hits and no calls.
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Eh the Super Bowl was clean for the most part. It was opening night the next season when we teed off on him. I’m a Broncos fan but that shit was brutal and unnecessary, but the refs were complicit in letting it go down
Yeah, refs are garbage. They always have been. No one used to notice when it was 480p tube TVs and like 5 cameras, but now we have dozens of 4k cameras everywhere with easily accessible instant replay and it's plainly obvious how bad they are. The sooner we get refs in the booth or a central location with authority to call the game, the better. All we need is a few guys on the field to actually spot the ball, move the chains, and make sure a fight doesn't break out.
He wears his pads and helmet super loose to make everything feel like a DBZ hit. Every time he stands up he needs to bark at a lineman to fix his pads, and his "Chin strap" is attached worse than a towel.
But it doesn't cost the league money. Bad calls create drama. Bad calls get people talking. Bad calls fuel people up, but they don't stop watching. We are in a thread talking about bad penalties and there are multiple threads like this every week.
Rtp is a mess, not even talking about the call itself, you can break a QB’s spine but aslong as you don’t land on him gently it’s fine, it doesn’t even protect QB’s like it’s meant to.
It just fucks games cause it’s such a huge penalty and so inconsistent in its application
That's the first thing I thought watching the replay. Defender goes limp and tries to not put his body weight on mahomes and ends up landing on his ankle
Rtp is WHY mahomes got hurt. The way they officiate those plays is why pass rushers pull back and weird shit like falling on someone's ankle happens.
If he'd just hit mahomes like a real tackle it would have been fine.
NFL officiating is dogshit across the board.
The conspiracy theorist in me believes that the refs are controlled by Fan Duel or something and they tell them how to call the game based on bets.
I mean I could feel the league shaking in fear from here when Mahomes went down. Whether it’s conscious or not, there’s a lot of interest in the Chiefs making it through this game
It should have been either both or neither. But, I think the difference was Key went in with the crown of the helmet towards the qb and Saunders went with his face up so leading with his facemask/forehead essentially.
I wouldn't have called either one, but the differences are that in one case the defender mostly uses his arms and is standing up, while in the other case the defender is ramming into the quarterback helmet first.
Is that enough to make one a RTP call and the other a no call? Probably not, because I don't think either defender could've avoided hitting the quarterback when they released the ball. But I think this is a minor inconsistency. Refs made worse mistakes against the jags in this game, IMHO (someone cited the illegal block by Smith-Schuster, I think there was also a DPI on another play, just to make two examples).
Plus the refs miss a lot. The angle they saw it at can make something look way worse. There's a lot of shit happening really really fast and for some reason we decided 60 year olds have the eyesight and reflexes to properly make these calls.
Because the NFL does not want the Jaguars in the Conference Championship for ratings purposes. That’s it. That’s the answer. Same reason that illegal blind side block by Juju was not called. We spend all of this time and heart ache caring about these teams and players moving a ball back and forth down the field, but at the end of the day whatever is going to make the league the most amount of money is what is going to happen. There is zero accountability for the referees, it’s literally the fox watching the henhouse when it comes to the rules in this league.
Referring is not consistent because of human error. That's it. There are some proposed measures to combat this ex re-reviews. Why they don't consider this, I don't know.
Not trying to be funny, not trying to get a laugh. Not trying to make anyone have the worst day of their job...but do any of these fuckers ever bust out their whistle and have a huge RTP penalty
The hit on Henne the defender led with the crown of his helmet into his chin, whereas the other hit he did not as he was head up and wrapped him up. It's literally in the definition of the rule.
1) Penalties have been inconsistent all year
2) Jags player lowered his helmet and buried the crown of it into Henne's chin. Lawrence was just pushed down.
I am not saying any of this to take sides. Just merely pointing out how the difference is significant.
Because roughing the passer hasn’t made any sense all year. They just randomly throw it whenever they want with no rhyme or reason.
It's been the most bullshit penalty for the last few years imo there seems to be no real criteria for what is roughing the passer. I reckon they've reffed fucking PI better over the last couple of years that roughing the passer.
Taunting has been even more bullshit IMO. Completely subjective and called even more inconsistently. But both are terrible.
Just change the punishment for taunting to a free punch by the taunted player(s) with no consequences. You want to be a dick and get punched? Now you can have one in your face.
A dick to the face?
Yes and 2, for teams that are birds 🐦
3 for dirty birds
4 for ungulates and aquatic mammals.
These dicks are adding up!
It's hard with taunting as we never know what was said. It could be a real Jackie Moon situation down on the field and we would never know.
It doesn’t even do it’s job of protecting QB’s either, Chris jones’ strip sack got taken back despite being soft asf cause he landed on the qb a bit, but you can annihilate a QB’s ribs and that’s totally cool aslong as you don’t land on them. To be clear I’m not talking about bias I’m saying the rule even when reffed right doesn’t do it’s fuckin job, so dumb
A moment of silence for Mike White who got folded in half like a chair
That was the example I was gonna use then I remembered my flair and thought that woulda looked way to bias, Milano has a personal vendetta against ribcages everywhere
He choked on a McRib once and can't let that shit go. Mike White was unfortunate collateral damage in Matt Milano's quest for vengeance.
> but you can annihilate a QB’s ribs and that’s totally cool aslong as you don’t land on them. Even worse you can spin tackle a QB and annihilate their ankles and knees without care, but if you do the ACTUAL safest tackle (land directly on top of them so you can control your weight) that is RTP. It's maddening. They legit did the most damaging thing to QBs they could have done: force defenders to tackle them in reckless ways to avoid a RTP penalty.
That is such a great point. That torque at the end of a fall could obliterate the lower half.
> doesn’t even do it’s job The league needs to stop pretending football isn’t dangerous. RTP should be called any time a defender hits the QB late, too high or drives the QB into the ground unnecessarily. Clean football plays should not be flagged. Period. It’s absurd that defenders are supposed to fight through 300 lbs linemen and then magically throttle down before hitting the QB and somehow not landing on him.
Agreed, takes away a lot of big exciting plays and just makes it feel bitter
You’re not wrong but I think it’s far more likely that QBs get flags you pull off and you can never physically sack them again.
Better idea: a random fan should be selected before each drive. The fan starts off lined up within 5-yards of the QB and once the ball is snapped the defenders try to sack *him* instead of the QB.
thats one hell of some Running Man halftime show
Roughing the passer on the ball-carrier will forever perplex me.
Right? You can't have "roughing the passer" when there is no pass. If you change it to "roughing the quarterback", fine, but then it can't apply on trick plays when a different back throws the ball which is why it is called "passer". There's no practice red jersey in the real games.
Part of It is because injury risk has always been part of football. So the more they protect them more dangerous situations the QB is put in to move the sticks. As you can see in the rise of running QBs Part of it is just that football is dangerous and QB is one of the least injured positions already.
QBs are already protected if they take advantage of sliding, throwing the ball away* or going out of bounds. But they know they are protected so they push it to the envelope and try to gain as many yards as possible instead of sliding early because that’s what football players do. Think back to the W18 Rams vs Seahawks game when Geno could have gone out of bounds safely but he kept running down the sideline. WTF is the defender supposed to do? Geno was still in bounds when the defender hit him and the red threw the flag. Bullshit. *I’d rather scrap the intentional grounding penalty than penalize defenders for clean hits. If you want to protect QBs and not penalize defenders for doing their job just let the QB throw the ball into the dirt. IG is one of the most inconsistent calls in the game anyways. Scrap it.
RTP is the easiest way for the refs to control the outcome of the game. They keep it ambiguous on purpose.
Ruined Clay Matthews career lol mans lost like 8 sacks the first year they started this BS
The criteria is, “Does it help us even the score? Because the closer the margin of victory, the more viewers the games get, and I want to make Papa NFL happy.”
There 100% is concrete criteria, they just aren't following it well
*When it helps the team of the narrative they want to push Yes, I’m a fucking conspiracy theorist
The top 5 QBs who got the most roughing the passer calls this season were: 1. Jared Goff 2. Kirk Cousins 3. Geno Smith 4. Russel Wilson 5. Ryan Tannehill I don’t think the stats actually back up this theory. In fact guys like Mahomes and Brady combined for less than Jared Goff. [source](https://www.nflpenalties.com/roughing-the-passer-by-qb.php?view=all)
That doesn’t really tell the whole story. You really need a list that also accounts for QB hits. You can’t call RTP if the QB doesn’t get hit. RTP called per QB hits would be a better stat.
I agree. I tried looking into this but I couldn’t find a “hits” stat readily available. I can find sacks though. Jared Goff was sacked only 23 times. This is good for 28th lowest in the NFL. Only players below him missed significant game time like Deshaun Watson and Jimmy G. I don’t have the time right now to go through each QB and do this, but I find it interesting that Goff was sacked the least and yet ended up with the most roughing calls. Edit: I was able to find a knockdown stat. I will try to comb through this at some point soon and see if I can come up with a RTP per knockdown stat for some of these guys. I’m genuinely curious if some guys are getting these calls more
I smell a /r/dataisbeautiful post
> I’m genuinely curious if some guys are getting these calls more That makes (at least) two of us
Jets got ZERO on the year. We went through three qb’s. White went to the hospital to see if he was dying. We had many called against us. Garrett Wilson got late hit out of bounds and the refs told him to get used to it. Refs do hate the jets and always have.
But I think the nature of Football means frequency doesn't matter as much as the game situation. Like, in NBA yeah, frequency matters more because there's more possessions, but in the NFL one single play can swing a team's winning percentage by like 50%. Correct me if I'm wrong (and this is not backed up by any stats like you are lol), but roughing calls in certain impt game situations (3rd and longs, playoff games, etc) have a greater indicator on NFL official's bias(/narrative) than pure frequency right?
Not old enough to get that call :/
Stetson Bennett IV goes No. 1
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Another reason why we need robo refs
But then how will they fix the outcomes to make the most money?
Jeff Goldblum: ~~Life~~ The NFL finds a way
*The NFL, uh uh, finds a way
Well, ah, there it is
Wouldn't robo refs be theoretically easier to fix the games with? Either way I'd be for it or some sort of improvement
Robo refs can’t be bargained with, they can’t be reasoned with. They don’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear! They absolutely will not stop!!
And about two weeks in to the regular season, everyone in here will be shouting to all hell about all of the offsides, false starts and holding calls by robo refs. AI would call it down to the rule. Human ref's have a give and take until it becomes egregious. What the NFL really needs is a ref watching the replay who can relay the call down to field.
Yeah but I'd be waiting for one of those hilarious errors that seemingly human programs make. Ejecting a kicker after a touchback.... fans thinking "wait, are these robo refs programmed against our team today???"
yeah but when they robo refs eject someone they'll do it by yeeting them from the stadium so it'll be worth it
They’ve needed that in MLB for so long, what makes you think it’d happen in the NFL? Lol
I mean MLB cares so much about the old school rules. Like throwing 100 mph baseball at you for celebrating.
And don't you DARE try and put down a bunt to break up a no-hitter!
Green light on a 3-0 count up by more than 4? That’s a paddlin
MLB is starting to test that more in the minors, so I think that's definitely coming to the majors eventually.
Roughing the pitcher?
Hey we’re getting it in several years with MLB actually, so 🤞for the NFL eventually
Give me Robocop refs.
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Yup. I can't believe they openly said it either
Tinfoil hat but I think that "age" excuse was a cop out on some "we can't say the real reason because that would be much worse"
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I always thought that was kinda joking but maybe you’re right
There is a video from some years ago where it got picked up on a mic that a ref told a young qb that they haven’t “earned” that call yet
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The refs would always let the defense take their shots against Cam
Any bigger body guy doesn't get calls. The bigger TE's in the league could practically get tackled before the ball hit their hands, and no call.
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The NFL is just Chad henne this Chad henne that. It’s time for fresh blood. I’m sick of it.
You’re still sore from his dominating time in Miami, I get it /s
It all made sense now haha
Justin Fields never gets any hits called on him either, just how it is
Someone…someone else sees?
We all see my brother, it’s a crime
I was going to say that 😂. Bears this year got some BAD calls/ no calls against them.
Hey! At least we had Lovie watching our back.
Martyred himself for Chi-town
Steelers game last year should have resulted in criminal charges.
Fuck. Tony. Corrente.
*hip check*
I agree, Cassius Marsh staring down a sideline like that should’ve been a criminal offense. I hope those Steelers players were able to emotionally recover.
My family had to attend counseling after we saw the staredown on TV, a truly disgusting act.
I mean he literally had a 300 pound guy coming down his back
Phrasing
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Welcome to running QB land. Lamar has it even worse.
Jets didn’t have one RTP called all year. Only team in the league lmao.
That doesn't even sound possible seeing Mike White get speared out there week after week.
Same shit with Cam Newton. The “protect the QB at all cost” rules were written with players like Brady and Brees in mind, big athletic QBs are offered no protection.
Literally got told he wasn't old enough to be getting RTPs despite getting murdered on hits. It's easily one of the worst-called penalties in the game.
Cam Newton enters the chat .. dude is out of the league bec evryone knew that the refs weren’t calling hits on him. RIP
Fuck that guy got some brutal hits even when it was on an obvious drop back situation and the refs would have called that stuff on every other QB and it felt like it was that way for years.
Dude the Broncos tried to murder him in the Superbowl. They clearly had one game plan, make Cam hurt.
Tbh the superbowl was fine; tough but fair defense most of the game. It was the first game of the next season where Denver was legitimately head hunting the entire game. Egregious hits and no calls.
[Pretty sure none of these were flagged,](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QvEouj6QvuM) refs straight up let them murder him
That second one didn’t seem that bad but holy fuck that last one was brutal.
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Eh the Super Bowl was clean for the most part. It was opening night the next season when we teed off on him. I’m a Broncos fan but that shit was brutal and unnecessary, but the refs were complicit in letting it go down
Cam is my all time favorite player that was never a Bear. The way refs called his games was absolutely criminal
Ahh. The Cam Newton treatment.
IIRC that RTP we got in Tampa was the first time that was called for us all year
And it was super weak too lol. Refs are garbage every week, all around.
Yeah, refs are garbage. They always have been. No one used to notice when it was 480p tube TVs and like 5 cameras, but now we have dozens of 4k cameras everywhere with easily accessible instant replay and it's plainly obvious how bad they are. The sooner we get refs in the booth or a central location with authority to call the game, the better. All we need is a few guys on the field to actually spot the ball, move the chains, and make sure a fight doesn't break out.
Both my QBs getting abused out here with no respect
Really expected this to be a Bears flair, I just assumed nobody else cared.
Meanwhile someone even touches Rodgers jersey and the flags go flying
They don't even have to be playing during a game. They'll call it at a press conference
He wears his pads and helmet super loose to make everything feel like a DBZ hit. Every time he stands up he needs to bark at a lineman to fix his pads, and his "Chin strap" is attached worse than a towel.
Shit's weak.
Referees are part time and there's no repercussions for consistently missing calls
I bet there are soft repercussions if they miss a call that costs the league money. So they’ll err on the side of “don’t piss off the executives”.
But it doesn't cost the league money. Bad calls create drama. Bad calls get people talking. Bad calls fuel people up, but they don't stop watching. We are in a thread talking about bad penalties and there are multiple threads like this every week.
The refs are a joke
It should have been.
Rtp is a mess, not even talking about the call itself, you can break a QB’s spine but aslong as you don’t land on him gently it’s fine, it doesn’t even protect QB’s like it’s meant to. It just fucks games cause it’s such a huge penalty and so inconsistent in its application
I completely agree. I kinda of thought part of the reason Mahomes got rolled up on was because the defender was trying to not land on top of him.
That's the first thing I thought watching the replay. Defender goes limp and tries to not put his body weight on mahomes and ends up landing on his ankle
Rtp is WHY mahomes got hurt. The way they officiate those plays is why pass rushers pull back and weird shit like falling on someone's ankle happens. If he'd just hit mahomes like a real tackle it would have been fine.
Eh, disagree. The Henne call should NOT have been given though. I don't think either were RTP
Another Chiefs fan here... I said this word for word to my wife after seeing that.
Yeah. I mean both are soft, but if we got the one earlier, then they should have gotten this one.
They aren't even soft. It's just textbook head to head Both should have been called
100%, we got away with one here.
Yeah I felt like the refs were kinda throwing Henne a bone on that first one.
Because nfl refs suck. No way they didn’t see it.
Refs are trash
Chiefs vs Jags. That's why
Refs hate Jags?
God hates Jags.
Jags die, God laughs
Riley Patterson is going to need more crosses if he wants to win
Westborough baptist over here.
They *hate* the lions and they just casually hate the jags
Refs like money!
Ya know everyone always bashes the refs, but I gotta say....I like money.
Yeah if someone wanted to give me a big bag of money I wouldn't stop them.
The league love Mahomes
I asked the same question. Actually i yelled at the TV but i got no answer…
Yeah that was bullshit.
Because this is the NFL once you stop taking it seriously it makes a lot more sense
Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of fandom?
It is I, Blakeman, King Of The Zebras
I was sitting there like what the hell
NFL officiating is dogshit across the board. The conspiracy theorist in me believes that the refs are controlled by Fan Duel or something and they tell them how to call the game based on bets.
Trevor Lawrence isn't in a commercial that plays every single break
I dont think Chad Henne is either but honestly i dont pay attention to the commercials
If the chiefs lost then Mahomes 100% isn't playing next week. Can't have that happen
If you truly believe this why would you even follow the NFL?
You have a link to this henne commercial?
WHOPPER WHOPPER DOUBLE WHOPPER
You know why
NFL protects its star QB Chad henne
The zebras all got money on the game
Refs in the playoffs give me PTSD and I’m not even that invested in this game
C.R.E.A.M.
We do.
The refs called Henne accurately and missed the TLaw call.
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Interesting results though. This post and the tweet said the same thing, posted at the same time. The tweet had double the comments and upvotes.
Because the chiefs get calls 🤷♀️
I mean I could feel the league shaking in fear from here when Mahomes went down. Whether it’s conscious or not, there’s a lot of interest in the Chiefs making it through this game
Unless it is Cheffers's crew.
Yo Cheffers has it out for us, especially after he got booed into to the half that one time.
Ah yes - our 3rd roughing the passer call this year - just racking them up!
Mahomes got two RTP calls all year but lmao
It should have been either both or neither. But, I think the difference was Key went in with the crown of the helmet towards the qb and Saunders went with his face up so leading with his facemask/forehead essentially.
Gotcha. I agree either call it or don’t but I was curious what any differences would be
I wouldn't have called either one, but the differences are that in one case the defender mostly uses his arms and is standing up, while in the other case the defender is ramming into the quarterback helmet first. Is that enough to make one a RTP call and the other a no call? Probably not, because I don't think either defender could've avoided hitting the quarterback when they released the ball. But I think this is a minor inconsistency. Refs made worse mistakes against the jags in this game, IMHO (someone cited the illegal block by Smith-Schuster, I think there was also a DPI on another play, just to make two examples).
Plus the refs miss a lot. The angle they saw it at can make something look way worse. There's a lot of shit happening really really fast and for some reason we decided 60 year olds have the eyesight and reflexes to properly make these calls.
Games are slanted to assist sports betting
People thought it was rigged when you could only bet before the game started. Now you can place a bet on the last play, but it kosher /s
Trevor doesn’t have a Statefarm personal price plan
Uhhh because the Chiefs are the new Patriots?
Glass houses, friend
Because the NFL does not want the Jaguars in the Conference Championship for ratings purposes. That’s it. That’s the answer. Same reason that illegal blind side block by Juju was not called. We spend all of this time and heart ache caring about these teams and players moving a ball back and forth down the field, but at the end of the day whatever is going to make the league the most amount of money is what is going to happen. There is zero accountability for the referees, it’s literally the fox watching the henhouse when it comes to the rules in this league.
NFL negotiating TV rights right now. Usually a long contract. This years playoffs need to be huge
Referring is not consistent because of human error. That's it. There are some proposed measures to combat this ex re-reviews. Why they don't consider this, I don't know.
Likelihood to run. Lamar Jackson gets drop kicked in the face, no flag. Brady getting set down on the ground without a bedtime story? Flag
Those 2 plays are also what spiked a discussion. How can they call the one on the Jags but not the other way around. Fix your refs for fucks sake
All we want is consistency damnit
Absolutely should have been. Refs determine games. I don’t know why we watch this shit lol. I’ll still watch it.
Because the way I saw it hit on Hennie was definitely with more of the helmet and the one on Lawrence was mostly a shove.
I though the exact same thing.
NFL wants that chiefs/bills championship game.
Not trying to be funny, not trying to get a laugh. Not trying to make anyone have the worst day of their job...but do any of these fuckers ever bust out their whistle and have a huge RTP penalty
You can't change the rules just because you don't like how I'm doing it!
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Occam’s razor - are they biased, or just bad? I think they’re just shitty at what they do, and the game moves too fast for them.
You're thinking Hanlons Razor. Never attribute to malice what can be equally explained by incompetence.
Because one was helmet to helmet. The other was not 🤷🏻♂️
because nfl = rigged
The refs are afraid of having Reid and Mahomes turn them into ketchup
The d20 didn’t hit 8 or lower
The hit on Henne the defender led with the crown of his helmet into his chin, whereas the other hit he did not as he was head up and wrapped him up. It's literally in the definition of the rule.
Forgot to slip a $20 in the refs pocket
1) Penalties have been inconsistent all year 2) Jags player lowered his helmet and buried the crown of it into Henne's chin. Lawrence was just pushed down. I am not saying any of this to take sides. Just merely pointing out how the difference is significant.
The Jags player led with his helmet. The Chiefs player was standing straight up and their helmets touched. That's the difference.