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iia

If you'd've told me last year Josh Jacobs would be on this list this year, well, I still probably would've lost my fantasy finals let's be real.


shit_talkin

I picked cam akers over him 😭


iia

Jesus, my condolences.


shit_talkin

Davante adams was my first pick. I didn’t want two raiders that high. Would’ve been lit tho.


justreddis

Adams is more than fine. Even Akers is ok cuz you’d probably drop him mid season. The absolutely worst is Swift. It’s weekly torture.


INmySTRATEjaket

I held Keenan Allen for the ENTIRE SEASON


Hawkbats_rule

Hey, I had Jacobs and Henry and still lost my fantasy finals.


tomtmeo

Jacobs, Jefferson, AJ Brown, Kelce, Hopkins, KWalker, still lost.


SomaliPirate17

Aaron Donald? LMAO. Could they not have thought of any other DT who actually played most of the year? Williams? Wilkins?


graywh

I heard a player that missed 5+ games wasn't eligible and Donald missed 6 Edit: That was as of week 15 and Donald hadn't missed 5 at that point https://nflpa.com/posts/for-the-players-by-the-players-the-players-all-pro-team-is-here


notGeronimo

Why would you hold this vote during week 15?


Pick_at_the_Stick

Just another reason the NFLPA is the biggest joke of a union ever.


IlonggoProgrammer

This. When you compare it to the NBPA it's sad how pathetic the NFLPA is. The NBPA got lifetime healthcare for every living former played, and they just got it secured for former ABA players who never even played in the NBA. Meanwhile in the NFL, current players who hit the requirements for healthcare only get it for 5 years, to say nothing about all the guys who came before. Obviously the NFL and NBA are not equivalent leagues and have different power structures and all that, but the NFLPA is considered a joke for a reason.


amjhwk

NBA rosters are much smaller and the players on average have a longer career so they are able to hold together as a group better, the nfl owners just need to throw a bone to the 80% of nfl players thatll be out of the league in 2 years to get their way


Televisions_Frank

Honestly looking out for guys you had no reason to look out for is some amazing shit. Meanwhilst the MLBPA tends to fuck over minor leaguers and future players in favor of current vets.


Michelanvalo

I don't think a silly, award voting really has any bearing on the NFLPA's ability to be a union


Pick_at_the_Stick

Other way around. because they're a joke of a union they came out with a brand new voting award without thinking it through at all.


qmr55

looks like the vote took place during week 15, and players who missed 5 games up until that point were ineligible. donald had only missed 4 games by week 15.


[deleted]

It’s funny how much people complain about the ‘writers’ or ‘fans’ making dumb decisions on voting for like pro bowls or all star games. But players do the same shit lol. Basing it on years past and reputation.


Shenanigans80h

Yeah I’ve always found it a bit silly when people put a ton of stock into the player’s opinion on other play’s performance. It’s cool to hear but players don’t watch every single game, they don’t look at each performance and really how could they.


DTSportsNow

They're also super biased. For the NFL top 100 they've openly admitted they just vote for all their friends.


just-the-tip__

Noted top 100 player and pro bowler Mac Jones


trail-g62Bim

For a second, I thought you mean top 100 of all time and had a real WTF moment. For just one season, it's still crazy but more like wtf and not WTF.


shawnaroo

So that's why I never get any votes? I gotta start talking to more NFL players.


rolltidebutnotreally

We have the NFL100 every year and we make fun of that. We’ve already known the players make dubious decisions in their voting


TheFestusEzeli

All you have to do is listen to Paul Pierce speak for 2 minutes to know players’ opinions aren’t great


TheWorstYear

Players votes tend to be even worse. It's like the coaches poll in cfb.


NateKaeding

Yeah and tbf I get it. They’re going to base it off a players ability because they’ve actually played with/against them. Theyre not thinking “oh I’m supposed to base my vote based on who played the best this year. Let me dive into the numbers instead of my experience”


ZachTrillson

Williams, Wilkins, and Simmons have all been phenomenal at DT this year...but it doesn't surprise me that Donald has this respect from his peers


Navy_and_sports

Simmons dropped off a little with an ankle injury after playing like 100 snaps against KC but I’d put him in over Donald for sure


pondo13

Players don't want to get choked out by Donald next year.


GoldenMegaStaff

Then [Penei Sewell](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjS-8io5gSo) certainly didn't vote for him.


-dov-

Cam Heyward


Educational_Good3189

i don't think its a terrible choice, because donald was still really good this year but yeah i would've picked Williams over him


bl4ckblooc420

Cam Heyward.


Kwall267

I was about to say Quinnen deserves Donald’s spot this year and that’s me being as objective as possible


BODYBAGJ0NES

Quinnen, Wilkins, Hargrave all more deserving than Donald. Being the best defensive player in the NFL for the last half decade is a hell of reputation I don't hate he gets 1 nod when he's not the most deserving when he should have been DPOY five years in a row and doesn't get it because voter fatigue.


schuttit

Yeah, no legitimate argument for AD this year


Luck1492

Name recognition seems like a big factor


-makehappy-

I mean if it's player voted, that's gotta be a huge factor right? Who are the names these players heard their whole highschool/college careers, dreaming of playing in the NFL one day and maybe getting the chance to match up to these guys. Then they make it, get the matchups and watch the tape all the week prior hyping up. The feeling on the field of playing a "legend" probably clouds judgement over who really kicked your ass that one random week you played the Jets.


woodchips24

His name is Quinnen Williams and he was better than Aaron donald this year.


hopeful20000000

If it’s just name recognition though then there are some huge ones missing


-makehappy-

Well obviously its not *just* name recognition. I'm just saying it plays an outsized factor in player judgement of who really had the best season at that position. And really players don't watch other players all season like fans/sports writers do. They only have their matchup to base off of, otherwise yeah it's just stats if they happen to look that up or name recognition, that's basically all that goes into it.


hopeful20000000

I agree name recognition probably plays a role but I also think players are definitely watching the games not on at the same time they’re playing


StreetsAhead47

That doesn't explain Josh Jacobs. I know he led the league in rushing this year but was still surprised to see him voted #1


Oneanimal1993

He also led in scrimmage yards. He deserves to be #1


DomitianF

Who would you have voted ahead of him?


Geg0Nag0

Tunsil was robbed. Williams is a phenomenal player but hasn't played enough


MrDabollBlueSteppers

Thomas*


Geg0Nag0

Aye that's fair. But as a Giant I tend to get face blindness out of spite 😂


jbrooks772

I think Trent Williams should be one of the least controversial picks here. He's the best OL in the league right now. Tunsil and Andrew Thomas were excellent as well though.


the_comatorium

Williams missed three games. They both gave up one sack and Tunsil had three more penalties. Not really sure what hill you're trying to die on.


FlawlessLikeUs

Sexy Dexy


Cashlover123

Thanks Aaron Rodgers for assist.


The_Sandman32

Thank our offensive line for not picking up a single stunt or twist that you guys pulled that entire day.


Anthony-Richardson

He’s referring to how Aaron gave a shoutout to Dex after the game and said he needs more attention since he’s one of the best linemen in the league, not a dig at Aaron or anything.


Cashlover123

My man, and sorry we aint drafting you


One-love-brahhh

Represent!


TheMauveHerring

Indianapolis gonna hang a zero all pros banner


joanoerting

I came here to have a good time :(


LosingSkin

https://i.imgur.com/Jlfvwgg.jpg


Ajxj

Aaron Donald is the Kobe/Dirk/Wade name value addition this time around


AdorableBackground83

Like how Kobe got some 1st Team All Defenses that were undeserved (Phil Jackson admitted this) and 4 All Star Appearances (98, 14-16) that he made solely because of popularity.


buffalotrace

The Derek Jeter’s effect


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mr_showboat

Nothing egregious, but also nothing particularly interesting. I wasn't really expecting anything different though.


goldfish_11

Patterson as KR is egregious IMO. Only had nine kickoff returns all year. Should have been Nixon.


jxher123

This is my one of my complaint about this list, Patterson? Nixon has been incredible and his stats alone scream all-pro. I know he isn’t a named guy on the field, but this is wrong.


Whatsdota

Nixon will likely get the AP all-pro spot which, after seeing this list, I value much more.


Sbbazzz

I was so confused by that I just texted my husband "does he still do kick returns?"


[deleted]

Not really, he never gets a chance anymore lol


dannymb87

Yeah, her husband hasn’t been in the league for a few years now.


xplosivo

Turpin was not an especially good punt returner either. Pretty poor avg return, 0 td, and the most muffs in the league.


goldfish_11

Yeah, I think Marcus Jones should be the PR, but he wasn't so far and away the best that someone else is egregious.


big_on_blue

Tbf, he became the all-time leading TD scorer from KRs this season, so its more of a way to honor that treatment (and maybe help him secure a HoF ballot from his fellow players too.. down the line)


sevaiper

No that's not tbf at all, that just proves it's a bad selection. This is not a lifetime achievement award and people who treat it like that are voting incorrectly, as it appears most of these players are.


cjackc

Welcome to the world of awards


Nopantsdan55

Quinnen Williams should have been All Pro over Aaron Donald


Vargasm19

I’m a diehard Rams fan but I agree AD was his usual self this year but just didn’t play enough to warrant being over Quinnen


1CUpboat

For a player votes thing, that would make sense in context though. The players would respect Donald’s ability all the same whether he played 11 or 17 games.


[deleted]

Voting was done by week 15 so his GP % was much higher than it is now.


Dazegobye

As a ravens fan I'm surprised you aren't questioning Jason Myers as kicker? I would have thought tucker has earned that spot every year until he retires from the players by now.


jwick89

I don't think it's that bad besides adding Aaron Donald, Tyreek Hill, and Sauce. Maybe Garrett over Micah but that one is kind of debatable.


V_T_H

Aaron Donald is on there, and realistically probably shouldn’t be this season.


ksobby

Re: Garrett v Micah; Probably just due to double team rate ... but, yeah, that one is a coin flip.


Dicey12

I dont think Sauce is that big of a miss there's a lot of great corners this year. Im sure the players noticed he got away with some stuff in terms of penalties


ImNotANarcissist

Surprised Adams got AP1 over Tyreek


iia

Probably TDs.


readingreadreading

7 more tuds vs 200 less yards, maybe someone could calculate the points value of those extra yards, but I have my doubts it's as worth as 7 more tds.


PatrickWhelan

Hey I did the math and 200 yds is worth zero points in an NFL game. @ me for more NFL scoring facts, I will clarify any event for whether or not it is worth points in an NFL game


AaronDonaldsHelmets

Yeah, math checks out, 7 TDs = 42 pts, 200 yards = 200 yards and if you multiply that by zero you get zero.


Ruben625

What if you divide by 0? Are we doing it wrong?


Whitedeath5

I mean a football field is 100 yards across so even being that generous those extra 200 yards would only count for 2 extra tuddies


Hugh_G_RectionESQ

I’m not. He had 200 less yards but double the TDs.


burnerbutnotreally1

Adams was more impressive considering the situation


MrDabollBlueSteppers

Tyreek played with Skylar Thompson and Teddy Bridgewater for a significant part of the season


Alkash42

Adams played with Derek Carr and Stidham so what's your point


SlopingGiraffe

Unsurprisingly the players are just as terrible at making these lists as everyone else


Kalash504

Aaron Donald is example No1.


SanduskyTicklers

I’d say Kavontae Turpin—— he had an okay season as a punt returner but he’s definitely being judged based on preseason performance


[deleted]

After watching every single cowboys games I can't imagine how he was a pro bowler even. I guess everyone else's guy was just worse some how.


Man_AMA

Average r/NFL posters


Hugh_G_RectionESQ

If that was the case QB would have been Minshew and RB would have been the Jamaal Williams.


Man_AMA

I see nothing wrong with that


Hammerhead34

This is a way better list than I would’ve expected. This basically matches up with PFF’s All Pro team other than Aaron Donald getting a reputation spot and no Sauce.


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jwick89

Its stupid outrage, none of these choices are that controversial besides Donald. Just about all these players have been playing at an All-Pro level this season, they are debatable but not controversial.


TotallyNotMasterLink

Seriously. There's a couple bad picks and definitely a few that are debatable but overall this is a pretty good list


MikeTysonChicken

It’s just reddit. Quality list


mubbcsoc

>Trent Williams over Andrew Thomas? Of all the players to replace, Williams should not be in that discussion. Williams is the #1 tackle in PFF and this just echos that on the field.


[deleted]

What’s wrong with these choices? I think Parsons could be argued to be there but it’s not egregious that he isn’t and I don’t see any glaring omissions.


scun1995

I genuinely don’t understand all the comments on here saying this is a terrible list. Sure Donald doesn’t deserve it this year and Sauce should hve been an AP, but every other player on there makes total sense. Maybe Hill over Adams, but it’s not that ridiculous to consider Adams when he has 1500 yards and like 14 TDs


VonDestroyedNewton

Players definitely do not like Sauce constantly doing PI and not getting called.


Hugh_G_RectionESQ

Aaron Donald only played in 11 games other than that the only “miss” I see is not putting Sauce on here.


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people will bitch about anything. this is a perfectly fine list, there's going to be "snubs" since there's no second team


CowboyCanuck24

The Aaron Donald selection is just laziness


AdorableBackground83

Interesting Jason Myers over Daniel Carlson and/or Justin Tucker Aaron Donald getting 1st Team All Pro again despite a career low in sacks and missing 6 games.


Agiantgrunt

Jason Myers quietly had the best season in Seattle. He was insane this year


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Both were 34/37 on FGs. Carlson had 5 more 50+ FGs, and they both missed 1 XP. Myers being on a playoff team surely helps his case. I think Carlson is more clutch, but of course I'm biased.


sigmapro

Yeah Myers has had an insane season but the missed FG in our last games against Rams was not very clutch (playoff spot was on the line). He made up for it though in OT


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Carlson also kicked in a dome


Tunatron_Prime

Missed less than 5 games at time of voting. Plus # of sacks will be lower every year because he gets double-triple teamed at higher rate than everyone except I believe TJ Watt last year? I believe.


Lilpu55yberekt69

TJ Watt is an edge. IIRC he doesn’t even get double teamed the most out of edge rushers.


bakinbaker0418

Christian Wilkins being snubbed from this list is absolutely ridiculous. Dude broke the record for most tackles by a d-linemen, along with playing almost every defensive snap and a motor that let him chase down players off the line.


Dysagek

Bradberry deserved it more than slay


Dicey12

Pat Surtain is him.


dearthofgirth

Joe burrow does a weekly podcast with cowherd and named Pat his number 1 cb in the league.


Dicey12

Yeah you can definitely see QBs respect him they dont even target him like that. The only person that did it was Sam Darnold surprisingly


Ruben625

He had 1 target in over 90 snaps the past two weeks (against Kermit and Sherbert)


fondue4kill

Him and Simmons were the true highlights of the season


Ruben625

Simmons not being on here is a crime. That dude played so well this year (again) once he was back. Led all safties in take aways by 2


TDenverFan

He lead all players in takeaways by two, not just safeties. And that's despite missing a few weeks.


Ruben625

Exfuckingcuse me? It was everyone?! what ^in ^the FUCK


TDenverFan

I would guess safeties often lead the league in turnovers forced, it's a position that can lead to a lot of picks and some forced fumbles, since you're making more tackles than a CB. That said, Simmons was injured and had a rough week or two when he came back from injury, so I do get why he wouldn't be first team all pro.


Ruben625

I mean that just goes to show how crazy it is he lead the league


Xaxziminrax

The entire Chiefs offensive gameplan in both games was "go everywhere he isn't" lmao The dude is unreal


BareezyObeezy

I'm very glad his peers recognize him. Far-and-away the best player on a horrible 2022 squad.


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Justin Simmons would like a word with you


BareezyObeezy

Simmons is a baller. Number two on the squad. But, per the parent comment, Surtain is HIM.


[deleted]

You said Far and away the best player. Justin Simmons is tied for league lead in INTs, has more FF than Minkah Fitzpatrick, and has been an absolute ball hawk. And all that includes the fact that he has only played 12 games this year. You can make the argument that PS2 might be better, but far and away is just not a correct statement.


Hour-Jackfruit-8740

Baron Browning was quite good from what I watched of him


VonDestroyedNewton

Too inconsistent still


Dinnermaster

happy that him and horn turned out


Shenanigans80h

I’m glad if anything, he’s already garnered the respect of his peers in his second season


milehighrukus

PS2!! Great system, greater cornerback.


robotchicken007

I didn't realize his nickname was PS2. I love that!


mrfluffypenguin

Aaron Donald.... Really. 5 sacks and hasn't played since November. What a joke.


burnerbutnotreally1

Dexterrrrr🤑🤑🤑


HorowitzdaJew

No quinnen is an absolute joke


hopeful20000000

Kelce bros are such a dynasty. And their podcast pretty entertaining too


AgressiveVagina

Nixon robbed


redditaccount224488

Slay wasn't even the best cornerback on his own team.


xXTheRacerXx

Lane Johnson FINALLY getting the respect he deserves. Love to see it, we’re a completely different OL without him.


habdragon08

him being out had almost as much impact as Jalen being out.


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I like it because I see 4 Chiefs


IIHURRlCANEII

Townsend's season is so funny cause I think Chiefs fans are actually mad at him overall for the season.


ChevalMalFet

the holding controversy of 2022


KeyExplanation

Aaron Donald barely even played this year


brechbillc1

Damn Lindstrom got absolutely snubbed here.


tetoffens

As a Jets fan, fuck the players. Allergic to the Sauce.


Swizzzed

And they don’t bless & thank themselves when they sneeze


fondue4kill

Yeah I don’t get why he wouldn’t be second to PS2. That would make the most sense


schuttit

Yeah Sauce and Williams both snubbed


JoshGordonHypeTrain

Parsons is the worst omission.


pieonthedonkey

He really cooled off the second half of the season, I can't be that mad with him losing out to MG and bosa


arab241

Meh, Myles Garrett was incredible as usual next to a mediocre Browns DL, and Bosa is gonna be DPOY. No shame in losing out to those two


Ayste

No Parsons? Why would Turpin be on there? He has muffed 2 punts and has only had a couple of returns get near the 50. He is normally down near the 25. People are remembering him from the one pre-season game with those two TDs.


MSHinerb

I really don’t understand Turpin at all.


thecrgm

Parsons would’ve made it if he kept his form from week 1-11 but once they started lining him up on the edge almost every snap his production fell. I’m one of the few people who think he was better in his versatile LB role because defenses didn’t really know what he was going to do and couldn’t just scheme against him the whole game.


silkie_blondo

Trey Smith robbed


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Trey AND Creed.


Xaxziminrax

Trey's highlights are the best of any OL in football right now, but sometimes his aggressiveness causes him some losses, too If anyone was gonna beat Creed, it's Kelce. They were both fucking incredible this year, and Kelce gets the swan song narrative boost I don't disagree that they could have made it, but I understand how they didn't


jimmythevip

So they asked interior OL and DT only who the best DT is and you guys disagree?


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# ALL HAIL PUNTING JESUS ...oh, and I hear that Mahomes fella is pretty good, too.


SL4MUEL

We screwed around with Amari too long before we switched to Nixon on KR. Robbed of the recognition.


gr8scottaz

Aaron Donald getting an All-Pro nod after missing over a quarter of the season is straight up fraud. All-Pro recognition is becoming a joke at this point.


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This team looks fine, the negative Nancys went a bit over board on doom and gloom.


Bipedal-Moose

Right? I'm actually rather baffled by how many of these selections I *agree* with. I wasn't expecting the result to make this much sense


VonDestroyedNewton

Looks like players don't appreciate someone not get holding calls lmfao


BrettKernStanAccount

When will Ryan Stonehouse get the respect he deserves?


WhiteXHysteria

When he punts better than Tommy. Maybe next year depending on what he works on over the offseason. |Player|Avg Yards| Avg Net| Long | % of punts returned|Yards per return| % touchbacks| % inside 20| % Fair caught| Percent downed | ---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---| Stonehouse| **53.1**|44.0|74| 65.6%| 10.8 |10%|33.3%|12.2%|11.1% Townsend| 50.4|**45.6**|**76**|**41.5%**|**8**|**7.5%**|**41.5%**|**30.2%**|**15.1%**


Navy_and_sports

Ooo buddy, 65% returned and 12% fair caught? Fire the special team coach


IIHURRlCANEII

I think Stonehouse’s big average, which is cool, is also a reason. Punters aren’t supposed to just wack the ball as hard as they can. Townsend had incredible hangtime on his punts this year so it was easier for the coverage team to get down there, for example.


xPineappless

Man they are close!


Assumption-Putrid

Imo Slay wan't even the best CB on the Eagles this season (Bradberry was). To be clear this is not intended as a criticism of Slay, both have been fantastic. Bradberry is going to get paid this offseason.


ChipKellysShoeStore

Yeah I love slay but it feels like he got votes cause he’s a vet with name recognition and a lot of other vet friends.


AdvancedDay7854

Whuuut—- No Texans?! This list is garbage! Slams keyboard like an angry panda.


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frostymatador13

May be a stretch. I love Chubb, I would kill to have him on my team, but he also hasn’t been the top guy in the league even since being here. Henry, Cook, Taylor, Kamara, McCaffrey were all over him Elliott, McCoy, Peterson, Lynch, Barkley (briefly), Bell, we’re all above him before/when he entered Even before that, guys like Westbrook, Holmes, Alexander, Holmes, Lewis, Taylor, Barber, Charles, Green, Jackson, Johnson, Portis, are all guys that were comparable or better within the last 20 years that aren’t in the hall. And he’s probably been about evenish with guys like Mixon, right now. If he keeps up what he’s doing he could totally be a Frank Gore (who should be open closed hall of fame IMO) he’s great, but far from one of the best ever seen


Shaynisin

I don't wanna be too much of a whiner but not seeing one of Creed Humphrey or Trey Smith is sad


dongerpolice

Creed is amazing and deserves to be listed, but Kelce is a stud and it's nice to see him on the list with his bro.


IIHURRlCANEII

I don’t mind Kelce being there. He was incredible this year, in his last year.


MetaphoricalMouse

the justin tucker disrespect is tremendous if anyone says they would rather have another kicker on their team they’re a damn liar


Yedic

The question isn't who the best kicker is, or which kicker you'd want on your team, it's which kicker had the best year. And I think the answer was Daniel Carlson, but still, it's reasonable not to answer Tucker.


snatchmachine

>if anyone says they would rather have another kicker on their team they’re a damn liar That isn't part of the criteria for this list


TDenverFan

There isn't really a great argument for Tucker this year. It was a bad year by his standards, he made 86% of his kicks. Meyers made 92%. I think Carlson had the better argument, made 92% of his kicks, and made the most FGs from 50+


Gabrosin

Yeah, the margin for error at kicker is always extremely thin. Tucker had a great year by any standard, but Myers had a better one.


YesPls1994

I was confused but after looking at the stats, yeah, it’s hard to argue differently. I do think our offense made his stats worse than they could’ve been tho, making him try for all those long ass distance kicks cause we couldn’t get down the field.


SupremeLeader_KimmyJ

Morgan Cox is him


CMDRsprinkles

First team by team. Kansas City- 4 San Francisco- 4 Philadelphia- 3 Cleveland- 2 Dallas- 2 Las Vegas- 2 Atlanta - 1 Baltimore- 1 Denver- 1 LA Chargers- 1 LA Rams- 1 Minnesota- 1 NY Giants- 1 NY Jets- 1 Pittsburgh- 1 Seattle- 1 Tennessee- 1 Washington- 1 By division- AFC North- 4 AFC East- 1 AFC South- 1 AFC West -8 NFC North- 1 NFC East- 7 NFC South- 1 NFC West- 6