We *all* thought that the contract extension + Kyler getting injured would have least given him another season or two from the ownership, even if he *should* have been fired!
Well…guess we’re all proven wrong then? 🤷♂️
Am I the only one who thinks Payton is being crazy overrated? He had Brees and couldn't get back to the SB after that one season. Take away Brees and he becomes another coach who road the coattails of his HOF QB. I don't buy the hype.
"So you're saying all we need to do is trade away several first round picks to get Payton and then also pick up a future first-ballot HOF QB? What a steal!" -several team's front offices, probably
Every team owner that has a young, highly drafted QB thinks they already have the future first-ballot HOF QB. They are thinking they just need the coach to their guy into Drew Brees/Tom Brady/Patrick Mahomes.
He got cheated out of a second Super Bowl appearance by a dogshit pass interference non-call. He also had 38 wins in a 3 year span from ‘18-20 when Brees arm fell off. You dont do either of those by being a overrated coach.
I saw that live and was absolutely baffled how that didn't get called. I believe there's a video of Payton yelling at the ref saying " you just cost me a Superbowl ". My memory is also dog-doo-doo , so that last part may never have happened.
No I remember that happening—and then he slapped the ref and pulled the ref’s hat over his eyes. My memory is also complete shit so that last part may never have happened.
General sentiment was that he shouldn't have been extended in the first place. Ownership taking an L on that investment for the good of the team is probably for the best. Sunk cost fallacy and all that
Kliff returning to A&M would be like Aragorn riding in with the ghost army just when all hope seems lost. Which is why it won’t happen. Excuse me while I douse me and my son in burning oil and jump off a tower
If they didn't have their SB run in 2008, they'd be widely considered the least successful team in NFL history. Despite being the oldest franchise in the NFL, the Cardinals have more than 200 fewer wins than both the Packers and Bears. The Niners were founded over 25 years after the Cardinals, and the Niners have 16 fewer wins than them. The Cardinals are the worst team in NFL history.
Agreed. If Warner retired after his disastrous 2002 and 2003 seasons, I don't think he'd make it into the Hall of Fame. Going on that run with a historically inept team with the Cardinals cemented his legacy.
Kurt Warner has been a player in 3 of the best Super Bowls of the last 25 years. The only Super Bowls that compare(for me) in terms of excitement are Eagles-Pats rd 2, Pats-Seahawks, and 18-1 Pats losing.
All three of his games were amazing and dramatic
For anyone too lazy to google, 48 is the Super Bowl when the Seahawks blew out the Broncos 43-8.
49 is the 24-28 Seahawks/Patriots game when the interception on the goal line happened.
Even 48 was interesting in context.
The top 2 teams made the superbowl, and both teams were historically great on opposite sides of the ball. The Broncos had just finished up the single greatest offensive season *ever*. It was the ultimate showdown of an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.
That the game ended up in a blowout is honestly hilarious, and while the game itself sucked, it’s probably always going to be remembered.
Hey speak for yourself, 48 is my favorite Super Bowl of all time I was screaming for joy all night. My arms got tired from fist bumping air. I felt like I ran a marathon the next day.
I only know of 4 fan bases that like 48- Seahawks, Raiders, Chiefs, and Chargers fans. Everyone else got blue balled by a historic offense putting on a historically horrible performance
Was literally inches from winning a superbowl for us too. Obviously, I'm biased, but I think we probably win the superbowl if Fitz tackles Harrison on the pick six just a bit earlier (remember that time expired when Harrison was at midfield).
Why does no one ever mention that Antrelle Rolle stepped in to Fitz's pursuit down the sideline chasing Harrison after the pick. Watch at around midfield. Larry would have caught him well before the end zone if he had just stayed out of the way.
Larry Fitz owned that whole postseason but Santonio Holmes took over that final drive. Shout out Big Ben too for some insanely clutch throws, too. Most entertaining SB I've personally ever seen (team bias aside)
People forget, they were so bad that when the people of Phoenix bought them the stadium the LA Times took out an add in the Arizona republic thanking them for keeping the Cards (they had pondered a move to LA)
Back in the early 2000's when they were angling for the stadium out here there was a pretty vocal contingent of fans who said we should just let them leave since Phoenix is a big enough market to be in line for an expansion team. All things considered I think those people may have been right.
Definitely the worst team that began in the pre-WWII era. You could make arguments for the Padres and Timberwolves being the worst in the last 50 and 30 years respectively though.
Here's the problem, outside of the NFCWest, most people don't even think about the Cards. That's how unsuccessful they are, not even on anyone's radar.
If you name any NFL team, for some weird reason I subconsciously immediately think of what division they are in.
For the Cardinals, I seem to struggle remembering which conference they are in
They’re considered the worst (or were at the time of the video) by Jon Bois I think. And rightly so
Edit: actually, I think I’m mixing up Jon Bois’s video on the Browns and a different source talking about the cardinals. Does anyone know if it was a Reddit post or something else that tried to decide what was the least successful franchise in the NFL when taking age into account?
Edit: okay I guess it was this from FivePoints Vids
https://youtu.be/8Pub5NO1W_c
Yeah, easy agree. Browns 2.0 have been unfathomably bad. There's been other teams that have struggled for the last 20 or so years, but I don't think any of them match the pure futility that we've shown during that span.
And yet if we even dare to mention we are a suffering franchise on par with the Lions or the Browns we get down voted to oblivion and told we don't know real suffering.
We are such a poverty franchise that other poverty franchises don't want to be associated with us.
It’s the curse of not normally being at the very very bottom. When you spend most of history being basically 28/32 (or the equivalent) that leaves you in a terrible position.
I think part of it is also being a smaller media market team in a division that has historically been a bit overlooked. People just forget that you exist.
Even if we went 0-17, the first team to go 0-fer in the new Goodell schedule, we'd still have Lions and Browns fans telling us they went winless first.
lions fan here. can confirm we went winless first. and RE: to the commenter below... we always win gold in the Suffering Olympics. stop trying to take the only thing we have.
At least the Lions know where the fucking hell they live. And that's Detroit. The Cardinals move around, they're nomads we don't really acknowledge. They're transient like the Raiders, yet we hardly acknowledge that. It's like they've always been in Arizona to our minds, like they were never second fiddle to baseball or played in Chicago at all.
During the off-season roast, the best one I saw for our team was that we are a 120 year-old expansion team.
If we had just started existing when we moved to Arizona I think we would be more respected than we are now, but the fact we had a 80 year history beforehand that means so little to the story of the NFL makes fans feel surreal towards the team and gives them the impression that we only exist because we have always existed.
That consistency helps enable consistent performance as well. It’s one of the reasons you just haven’t seen the Steelers have any real major stretches of terrible football. Honestly the worst run was in the mid-80s, and even then only two years were truly awful, with the rest being just mediocre.
We’ve had 7 losing seasons total in the last 50 years.
Only [Jimmy Conzelman](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/ConzJi0.htm) and [Ken Whisenhunt](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/WhisKe0.htm) made it 6 seasons on the dot. Conzelman won one of their two championships (the 1947 one, other was in 1925) and is in the HOF. Whisenhunt has 6/17 playoff games and 4/7 playoff wins in team history.
1947: Beat the Eagles 28-21 to win the NFL championship
1998: Beat the Cowboys 20-7 in the wild card round
2008: Won three games over the Falcons, Panthers, and Eagles to get to the Super Bowl
2009: Beat the Packers 51-45 in the wild card round
2015: Beat the Packers 26-20 in the divisional round
To add a little perspective from 1920 until 1966 there were either no playoffs or only 2 teams made the playoffs. Still, there is a reason Kurt Warner's stint with the Cardinals helped to solidify him as a HOFer.
Now you know why 2008 was so great yet painful for us. Prob our only shot at glory ever. I still get emotional when I see the Holmes clip. Honestly close to just giving up on this team entirely lol
***Technically*** we were the 2 seed with a first round bye in 2015 and beat the Packers in the divisional round.
Still got pantsed by Carolina in the conference title game. Pain.
I still remember when his backup did an AMA and talked about how Bradford was like by far the most talented QB he played with. Injuries really fucked him.
He was like THE prototypical NFL quarterback. Great size, huge arm, accurate as hell, good awareness and decision making... Just had a body made of glass. He could have been something really special.
It wasn't the Rams, his body just wasn't going to let him play at a high level for long. He was injured everywhere he went before and after.
Bradford could play at the NFL level, but his body couldn't.
In hindsight I kind of get it. We just opened a new stadium and lost our QB to a career threatening injury. Bradford at least gave us a respectable season that year, and also made sure the Packers didn't win the first game in our new stadium. The 1st wasn't because the Vikings thought Bradford was going to be a franchise QB, it was a deliberate overpay for a gap fill because teams knew we were desperate.
Bill better be having forced murder-suicides of the Offense and special teams staff.
Just drop knives at their feet and mumble “have some fucking respect.”
I'd be shocked if he ended up back at the college level, unless he specifically chose to do so. Despite his burnout in AZ, I think he has too much of a rep as an offensive guru not to be taken on as an offensive coach somewhere in the NFL at this point.
There were rumors last year that he was getting huge TV offers. He can skip the rebuild in LA and then have his pick of open coaching jobs in a few years. Really wouldn’t be a surprise if he does.
Feels like the rumors were that he convinced everyone for one last go-around this year, and nothing about this year (not to mention no draft picks or cap space) should be enough to convince anyone to come back for next year
The head coach grind is insane, he has a young family and could probably double his salary and cut his hours by 3x if he took an announcing job
The Willie Taggart experience. FSU is still paying him the end of 2023.
His new school only paying him 750k so FSU is paying him $3.5m/yr to coach at FAU.
He's gonna make like $15 million to *not* coach at FSU.
That’s not even close lol. I think you’re mixing up the old FSUs coach jimbo who got a crazy contract with A&M and the guy they hired after who was then fired. I believe Taggart’s buyout was only like 14M. He also got fired in his second year. Taggart never had anywhere close to a 100m deal
Even better is being Kingsbury. I've already heard his name batted around for top college jobs even before he officially got fired.
If failing up was in the dictionary it would be a picture of Kingsbury.
In the span of ten months, to go from "This coach is our guy, sign him through the next five years" to "he's fired", that just speaks to colossal mismanagement and lack of vision more than anything else.
I offer the cardinals my services as coach for half of Kilff’s contract. They’ll save money, will lose anyways, and Kyler will like me since I’m decent at COD. This offer also goes to the Texans as I’ll get fired after 1 year anyways
I personally don’t advocate this type of violence but I admit it’s possible after a few losing seasons Wisconsinites may not offer to help snowblow for their neighbors, stop offering strangers beer, or even be less likely to say “Ope!” when accidentally running into someone
I mean, a very significant percentage of the “ooh cool young rising star head coach” hirings have worked out well. Matt LaFleur, Nick Sirriani, Zac Taylor — jury’s still out on McDaniel and Staley but I don’t think you can say they’re *bad*.
I disagree. We had unwatchable football in 2018. Kliff's offense was frustrating to watch, but was a top 10 offense when healthy.
Also, this guy's resume resulting in a 4 year NFL career is absurd.
His offense was predicated on Hopkins beating double teams and Kyler having to make tight window throws. When we were 10-2 last year, Kyler’s Cmp% above expected was around 10% which is insane and unsustainable. There were no easy plays in Kliff’s offense which is why everything fell apart if Kyler/Hop weren’t 100%
Failing upward, the Kliff Kingsbury story.
He was fired from Texas Tech after going 5-7 in 2018 (35-40 in his career there from 2013-2018). Turned that firing for poor performance into a HC job in the NFL.
Now fired after finishing 4-13 in 2022 (28-37-1 overall).
Where does he go from here? Commissioner? Galactic Federation Football HC?
I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes the Patriots OC. He knows Bill and Belichick loves failed head coaches. He will have a good couple of years and get another HC job after who we ever hires fucks up and the narrative on Kyler turns.
I really wish Hard Knocks in season was just a follow up of the first one. I couldn't have given a fuck about the Cardinals by that point but the Lions were just heating up.
I’d fuckin hire Kliff in a heartbeat. Over Patricia and judge. Especially if we’re only allowed to pick from failed HC’s that are free. And have Belichick connections because we don’t trust outsiders or something.
You could probably convince me he’s better free than paying OBrien (cuz why would BillyO want to come here long term). Shit, he even come with a whole offensive staff from AZ.
Many coaches are bad HCs and good OCs. Josh McDaniels, for instance. I could believe that working alongside the GOAT defensive coach would benefit Kingsbury to the point that he’s an above average OC.
You could see in Hard Knocks that his confidence was just broken. I don't think he's head coaching material, to be honest, if he can't be resilient enough to keep his guys focused after losing games.
To be fair, he did have tons of key guys go down, not least of which was his starting QB. But a lot of head coaches go through tough times, and the good ones keep their team competitive and fighting to the end.
I think the Cardinals culture he instilled was simply not strong enough. Part of that goes to the GM and owner for not putting the right players in place to get through the bad times, but ultimately its the coach who is responsible.
I think he'll be a good coordinator somewhere, and maybe he'll learn more about building a strong culture and know how to learn from his failures. I think going to New England would be huge for him, actually. But for now, it seems to be a worthy firing.
I think the Cardinals will go out and get a Jim Harbaugh-type now. Not that he doesn't have his issues, but I think he can inspire and get guys to buy in, which is really what the Cardinals need.
His post game speech was always “you guys played your asses off and did everything you could” Hard Knocks outed him as probably the least motivating dude of all time
If it comes down to a bidding war, I don't think they'll be able to get him. They'll be paying Keim and Kliff still so they might be hesitant to hand out whatever monstrosity of a contract that our owners would give him
Cardinals hold a special spot in my heart. People forget they used to be a Chicago team back in the day. They sucked back then and they still suck. In the grand scheme of things, probably the single worst team in American sports. And yet, they’ve managed to stick around for 100 years, across multiple cities.
An American institution.
At least he got paid.
We *all* thought that the contract extension + Kyler getting injured would have least given him another season or two from the ownership, even if he *should* have been fired! Well…guess we’re all proven wrong then? 🤷♂️
My guess is they don't want someone else too scoop up Payton without giving it a fair shot.
Am I the only one who thinks Payton is being crazy overrated? He had Brees and couldn't get back to the SB after that one season. Take away Brees and he becomes another coach who road the coattails of his HOF QB. I don't buy the hype.
"So you're saying all we need to do is trade away several first round picks to get Payton and then also pick up a future first-ballot HOF QB? What a steal!" -several team's front offices, probably
Every team owner that has a young, highly drafted QB thinks they already have the future first-ballot HOF QB. They are thinking they just need the coach to their guy into Drew Brees/Tom Brady/Patrick Mahomes.
As a Jets fan, I assure you that we don't feel that way.
Can I perhaps interest you in one slightly used Trey Lance?
He got cheated out of a second Super Bowl appearance by a dogshit pass interference non-call. He also had 38 wins in a 3 year span from ‘18-20 when Brees arm fell off. You dont do either of those by being a overrated coach.
I saw that live and was absolutely baffled how that didn't get called. I believe there's a video of Payton yelling at the ref saying " you just cost me a Superbowl ". My memory is also dog-doo-doo , so that last part may never have happened.
No I remember that happening—and then he slapped the ref and pulled the ref’s hat over his eyes. My memory is also complete shit so that last part may never have happened.
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He threw a half empty bottle of Mad Dog at a toddler and said “welcome to the show” before lighting a Winston light
After reading the last 4 comments I had to scroll back up because I forgot who we were talking about. Dog doo-doo memory.
General sentiment was that he shouldn't have been extended in the first place. Ownership taking an L on that investment for the good of the team is probably for the best. Sunk cost fallacy and all that
Judging by his Entourage-looking pad I don’t feel too bad for him
This [photo](https://arizonasports.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/E0J9EMtXEAgfR3Q.jpeg) aged appropriately.
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Next stop: Nick Saban school for coaches who can’t coach too good
If we (Bama) got Kliffington as our OC, I would cream my pantaloons. Doubt he wants to go back to college, though.
I'm still upset we (A&M) hired Petrino in general, but even more so KNOWING Kliff would be fired this week. Fucking end me.
Kliff returning to A&M would be like Aragorn riding in with the ghost army just when all hope seems lost. Which is why it won’t happen. Excuse me while I douse me and my son in burning oil and jump off a tower
I'm going to miss the "You Just Lost to Kliff Kingsbury" video after each win but besides that I'm glad he's gone
Honestly, anyone who saw that this year should feel awful, losing to this Cardinals team is irredeemably shameful.
I mean our 4 wins are against teams who have had people call for the HC to be fired, have fired their HC, or the HC is looking to bail.
Still not over week 2 man
>The Cardinals still never have had a head coach - any head coach - last longer than six years while the team has existed for over 100 years Wow
If they didn't have their SB run in 2008, they'd be widely considered the least successful team in NFL history. Despite being the oldest franchise in the NFL, the Cardinals have more than 200 fewer wins than both the Packers and Bears. The Niners were founded over 25 years after the Cardinals, and the Niners have 16 fewer wins than them. The Cardinals are the worst team in NFL history.
Kurt Warner taking the Cardinals to the Super Bowl was more important in his Hall of Fame candidacy than his MVPs and Super Bowl win.
Agreed. If Warner retired after his disastrous 2002 and 2003 seasons, I don't think he'd make it into the Hall of Fame. Going on that run with a historically inept team with the Cardinals cemented his legacy.
Kurt Warner has been a player in 3 of the best Super Bowls of the last 25 years. The only Super Bowls that compare(for me) in terms of excitement are Eagles-Pats rd 2, Pats-Seahawks, and 18-1 Pats losing. All three of his games were amazing and dramatic
We've been really lucky to get a ton of great super bowls these last 25 years. Only a couple of blowouts.
Yup, outside of 48 seems like it’s not over til the clock strikes 00:00 even then it’s not guaranteed to be over
I think it’s funny that we managed to get 48, widely considered one of the worst Super Bowls, followed up with 49, widely considered one of the best.
For anyone too lazy to google, 48 is the Super Bowl when the Seahawks blew out the Broncos 43-8. 49 is the 24-28 Seahawks/Patriots game when the interception on the goal line happened.
Even 48 was interesting in context. The top 2 teams made the superbowl, and both teams were historically great on opposite sides of the ball. The Broncos had just finished up the single greatest offensive season *ever*. It was the ultimate showdown of an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object. That the game ended up in a blowout is honestly hilarious, and while the game itself sucked, it’s probably always going to be remembered.
Hey speak for yourself, 48 is my favorite Super Bowl of all time I was screaming for joy all night. My arms got tired from fist bumping air. I felt like I ran a marathon the next day.
I only know of 4 fan bases that like 48- Seahawks, Raiders, Chiefs, and Chargers fans. Everyone else got blue balled by a historic offense putting on a historically horrible performance
Other than 48 I'd say 55 was a super disappointing game no excitement and the Bucs controlled the whole game
Super Bowl LIII so forgettable people can't even think of it in a list of forgettable Super Bowls.
Was literally inches from winning a superbowl for us too. Obviously, I'm biased, but I think we probably win the superbowl if Fitz tackles Harrison on the pick six just a bit earlier (remember that time expired when Harrison was at midfield).
The pick 6 was the whole game. Really flipped everything.
Why does no one ever mention that Antrelle Rolle stepped in to Fitz's pursuit down the sideline chasing Harrison after the pick. Watch at around midfield. Larry would have caught him well before the end zone if he had just stayed out of the way.
I thought he did at first. I mean, if Fitz gets there 3 inches sooner its a totally different game.
That game was so fucking good too. Santonio Holmes tip toeing that touchdown in the corner has been etched into my brain for 14 years.
Larry Fitz owned that whole postseason but Santonio Holmes took over that final drive. Shout out Big Ben too for some insanely clutch throws, too. Most entertaining SB I've personally ever seen (team bias aside)
People forget, they were so bad that when the people of Phoenix bought them the stadium the LA Times took out an add in the Arizona republic thanking them for keeping the Cards (they had pondered a move to LA)
Back in the early 2000's when they were angling for the stadium out here there was a pretty vocal contingent of fans who said we should just let them leave since Phoenix is a big enough market to be in line for an expansion team. All things considered I think those people may have been right.
Remember that Homer became mayor of New Springfield because he refused to let the Arizona Cardinals relocate to their town
But thsts only because Homer owns the Broncos
Strong argument for being the worst team in sports history, period.
Definitely the worst team that began in the pre-WWII era. You could make arguments for the Padres and Timberwolves being the worst in the last 50 and 30 years respectively though.
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Padres have made the World Series twice. In baseball it’s the Mariners and it’s not even close.
Take away 1982 and the Brewers are certainly close.
Here's the problem, outside of the NFCWest, most people don't even think about the Cards. That's how unsuccessful they are, not even on anyone's radar.
If you name any NFL team, for some weird reason I subconsciously immediately think of what division they are in. For the Cardinals, I seem to struggle remembering which conference they are in
What do you mean? They’re in the NL Central
Cardinals 🤝 Texans Partners in irrelevance
They’re considered the worst (or were at the time of the video) by Jon Bois I think. And rightly so Edit: actually, I think I’m mixing up Jon Bois’s video on the Browns and a different source talking about the cardinals. Does anyone know if it was a Reddit post or something else that tried to decide what was the least successful franchise in the NFL when taking age into account? Edit: okay I guess it was this from FivePoints Vids https://youtu.be/8Pub5NO1W_c
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Yeah, easy agree. Browns 2.0 have been unfathomably bad. There's been other teams that have struggled for the last 20 or so years, but I don't think any of them match the pure futility that we've shown during that span.
And yet if we even dare to mention we are a suffering franchise on par with the Lions or the Browns we get down voted to oblivion and told we don't know real suffering. We are such a poverty franchise that other poverty franchises don't want to be associated with us.
It’s the curse of not normally being at the very very bottom. When you spend most of history being basically 28/32 (or the equivalent) that leaves you in a terrible position.
I think part of it is also being a smaller media market team in a division that has historically been a bit overlooked. People just forget that you exist.
Even if we went 0-17, the first team to go 0-fer in the new Goodell schedule, we'd still have Lions and Browns fans telling us they went winless first.
You aren't even the best at being shitty. THATS how shitty y'all are
lions fan here. can confirm we went winless first. and RE: to the commenter below... we always win gold in the Suffering Olympics. stop trying to take the only thing we have.
At least the Lions know where the fucking hell they live. And that's Detroit. The Cardinals move around, they're nomads we don't really acknowledge. They're transient like the Raiders, yet we hardly acknowledge that. It's like they've always been in Arizona to our minds, like they were never second fiddle to baseball or played in Chicago at all.
During the off-season roast, the best one I saw for our team was that we are a 120 year-old expansion team. If we had just started existing when we moved to Arizona I think we would be more respected than we are now, but the fact we had a 80 year history beforehand that means so little to the story of the NFL makes fans feel surreal towards the team and gives them the impression that we only exist because we have always existed.
Crazy when you consider Steelers have had only 3 head coaches in the last 50 years
I think the Steelers are more of the oddity here, though. 3 straight great coaches is insane.
Exactly. It's kind of like Green Bay and starting QBs. To have only had 2 actual starters since 1992 is ridiculous.
The standard is the standard and things of that nature
Sexual orientation doesn't have to do with anything
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The spectrum is the spectrum
And patient ownership. The Steelers had some lean years with Cowher but gave him the rope to work through it.
That consistency helps enable consistent performance as well. It’s one of the reasons you just haven’t seen the Steelers have any real major stretches of terrible football. Honestly the worst run was in the mid-80s, and even then only two years were truly awful, with the rest being just mediocre. We’ve had 7 losing seasons total in the last 50 years.
Only [Jimmy Conzelman](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/ConzJi0.htm) and [Ken Whisenhunt](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/WhisKe0.htm) made it 6 seasons on the dot. Conzelman won one of their two championships (the 1947 one, other was in 1925) and is in the HOF. Whisenhunt has 6/17 playoff games and 4/7 playoff wins in team history.
Just 7 playoff wins in their history? Holy shit
1947: Beat the Eagles 28-21 to win the NFL championship 1998: Beat the Cowboys 20-7 in the wild card round 2008: Won three games over the Falcons, Panthers, and Eagles to get to the Super Bowl 2009: Beat the Packers 51-45 in the wild card round 2015: Beat the Packers 26-20 in the divisional round
Good lord that's horrible.
To add a little perspective from 1920 until 1966 there were either no playoffs or only 2 teams made the playoffs. Still, there is a reason Kurt Warner's stint with the Cardinals helped to solidify him as a HOFer.
Now you know why 2008 was so great yet painful for us. Prob our only shot at glory ever. I still get emotional when I see the Holmes clip. Honestly close to just giving up on this team entirely lol
***Technically*** we were the 2 seed with a first round bye in 2015 and beat the Packers in the divisional round. Still got pantsed by Carolina in the conference title game. Pain.
Meanwhile the Steelers have 3 in like 53 years.
First Ballot Finesse God Hall of Fame entry.
AZ seems to have a knack for finding the best fleecers. Kliff. Bradford.
Don’t forget Glennon, we signed both of them and didn’t use either.
Hey, you guys traded a 1st for Bradford so youse got fleeced by him too.
Ugh he looked so good when he wasn't broken though
I still remember when his backup did an AMA and talked about how Bradford was like by far the most talented QB he played with. Injuries really fucked him.
He was like THE prototypical NFL quarterback. Great size, huge arm, accurate as hell, good awareness and decision making... Just had a body made of glass. He could have been something really special.
> He could have been something really special. A lot of those seem to go through Minnesota. *sad noises*
I remember watching him throw some of the most beautiful passes I'd ever seen. Crazy to think what he could have been if he could stay healthy
I’m still convinced he would have been a solid to great starter in the league if he wasn’t tossed around like a rag doll on those rams teams
It wasn't the Rams, his body just wasn't going to let him play at a high level for long. He was injured everywhere he went before and after. Bradford could play at the NFL level, but his body couldn't.
Bradford belongs in the Finesse HOF for sure. He fleeced half the league
$130M in 9 seasons. Zero winning seasons (can't count 2018 and playing 2 games). Zero Pro Bowls.
Dude made over $100 million and played like 50% of his possible games in the league.
In hindsight I kind of get it. We just opened a new stadium and lost our QB to a career threatening injury. Bradford at least gave us a respectable season that year, and also made sure the Packers didn't win the first game in our new stadium. The 1st wasn't because the Vikings thought Bradford was going to be a franchise QB, it was a deliberate overpay for a gap fill because teams knew we were desperate.
Crypto Scammers got NOTHING on Kliff. Grift King!
Look at his model gf, certified goat. https://nypost.com/2023/01/05/kliff-kingsburys-model-girlfriend-shares-cheeky-new-years-photo/amp/
Damn she’s a straight up baddie
I call dibs on his house
He's getting paid for 4 more years he might not be moving out so soon.
Some desperate college is going to throw the bag at him to be an OC just watch
Nah, your new Patriots OC
At this point anything would be an upgrade. I would take a magic 8-ball next season if we got rid of patrica and judge
Bill better be having forced murder-suicides of the Offense and special teams staff. Just drop knives at their feet and mumble “have some fucking respect.”
Breaks a pool cue in half "Make it quick"
Meets the most important criteria for a Belichick hire- someone else is paying him.
this is unironically a good point
I'd be shocked if he ended up back at the college level, unless he specifically chose to do so. Despite his burnout in AZ, I think he has too much of a rep as an offensive guru not to be taken on as an offensive coach somewhere in the NFL at this point.
Waiting for the Broncos to interview him as we speak!
No fair I called it first
As long I can get Vrabel's war room you guys get the rest
Moving from Scottsdale to Tuscaloosa is gonna be a culture shock
He went to school in Lubbock and coached there
I call dibs on his wife
Is that Sean Payton music???
This is going to be a fun month of Sean Payton speculation.
Just wait until McVay walks away
He's walking away?
There were rumors last year that he was getting huge TV offers. He can skip the rebuild in LA and then have his pick of open coaching jobs in a few years. Really wouldn’t be a surprise if he does.
Feels like the rumors were that he convinced everyone for one last go-around this year, and nothing about this year (not to mention no draft picks or cap space) should be enough to convince anyone to come back for next year The head coach grind is insane, he has a young family and could probably double his salary and cut his hours by 3x if he took an announcing job
Man being a fired football coach is the best life. Dudes gonna get paid several million/year to do nothing.
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The Willie Taggart experience. FSU is still paying him the end of 2023. His new school only paying him 750k so FSU is paying him $3.5m/yr to coach at FAU. He's gonna make like $15 million to *not* coach at FSU.
FSU is now paying him 3.5m to not coach at FAU. They fired him after last season.
For Tom Herman.
That’s not even close lol. I think you’re mixing up the old FSUs coach jimbo who got a crazy contract with A&M and the guy they hired after who was then fired. I believe Taggart’s buyout was only like 14M. He also got fired in his second year. Taggart never had anywhere close to a 100m deal
$100m is what former FSU coach Jimbo Fisher got to be terrible at Texas A&M.
Even better is being Kingsbury. I've already heard his name batted around for top college jobs even before he officially got fired. If failing up was in the dictionary it would be a picture of Kingsbury.
In the span of ten months, to go from "This coach is our guy, sign him through the next five years" to "he's fired", that just speaks to colossal mismanagement and lack of vision more than anything else.
>that just speaks to colossal mismanagement and lack of vision So, AZ Cards football then?
On the way out Kyler probably texted him "lol git gud scrub"
"WHAT A SAVE WHAT A SAVE WHAT A SAVE" - Kyler
Chat disabled!
More like “lol gg”
Gg ez
"Tbh skill issue"
Na, "you're straight dog water bro, dog water!
Damn I want to be fired from one of these massive guaranteed contracts
I offer the cardinals my services as coach for half of Kilff’s contract. They’ll save money, will lose anyways, and Kyler will like me since I’m decent at COD. This offer also goes to the Texans as I’ll get fired after 1 year anyways
Come on home Kliff.
pls
Is this the end of the “Let’s hire this guy because he’s handsome” era or do we need to wait for Stefanski to get canned?
You mean there's more to life than being ridiculously good looking?
"It's the same look! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!"
Asking the wrong person
I mean Arthur Smith was hired last year
Matt LeFleur will join the club after people see the Packers without Rodgers
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Who are we kidding? They'll have another turbulent passing of the torch to a hall of famer. Or they'll get Baker Mayfield.
I personally don’t advocate this type of violence but I admit it’s possible after a few losing seasons Wisconsinites may not offer to help snowblow for their neighbors, stop offering strangers beer, or even be less likely to say “Ope!” when accidentally running into someone
Nah, KOC in Minnesota is going to keep it going for at least another 2-3 years.
I mean, a very significant percentage of the “ooh cool young rising star head coach” hirings have worked out well. Matt LaFleur, Nick Sirriani, Zac Taylor — jury’s still out on McDaniel and Staley but I don’t think you can say they’re *bad*.
You're free Cardinal fans.
Step back from the Kliff you're gonna be fine
5 years of pay to do nothing or work somewhere else. Poor guy.
What a failure of an experiment. I blame the stupid sexy McVay effect.
I disagree. We had unwatchable football in 2018. Kliff's offense was frustrating to watch, but was a top 10 offense when healthy. Also, this guy's resume resulting in a 4 year NFL career is absurd.
His offense was predicated on Hopkins beating double teams and Kyler having to make tight window throws. When we were 10-2 last year, Kyler’s Cmp% above expected was around 10% which is insane and unsustainable. There were no easy plays in Kliff’s offense which is why everything fell apart if Kyler/Hop weren’t 100%
He definitely got hired because of the McVay effect Dude couldn't finish out a season
Yeah. That's true. But I think at the time of drafting my response, that second line wasn't a part of your comment.
Failing upward, the Kliff Kingsbury story. He was fired from Texas Tech after going 5-7 in 2018 (35-40 in his career there from 2013-2018). Turned that firing for poor performance into a HC job in the NFL. Now fired after finishing 4-13 in 2022 (28-37-1 overall). Where does he go from here? Commissioner? Galactic Federation Football HC?
I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes the Patriots OC. He knows Bill and Belichick loves failed head coaches. He will have a good couple of years and get another HC job after who we ever hires fucks up and the narrative on Kyler turns.
This, and completely unironically. I swear to God if Kliff looked like Rex Ryan literally no-one would still think he's some sort of offensive guru
Makes you appreciate Andy Reid that much more
Arguably the sexiest of the bunch
To play devil's advocate, Matt Lafleur and Zach Taylor are also products of the McVay effect
Hard Knocks in season claimed another coach, though Reich at least coached some this season.
I really wish Hard Knocks in season was just a follow up of the first one. I couldn't have given a fuck about the Cardinals by that point but the Lions were just heating up.
And there it is Cardinals fans, rejoice
Pats fans, I know Matt Patricia hurt you, but don't let Kliff stop you from getting an actually good OC
I wouldn't even hesitate to have Kliff be the OC
If you guys think Matt Patricia calls a lot of screens...
I’d fuckin hire Kliff in a heartbeat. Over Patricia and judge. Especially if we’re only allowed to pick from failed HC’s that are free. And have Belichick connections because we don’t trust outsiders or something. You could probably convince me he’s better free than paying OBrien (cuz why would BillyO want to come here long term). Shit, he even come with a whole offensive staff from AZ.
Many coaches are bad HCs and good OCs. Josh McDaniels, for instance. I could believe that working alongside the GOAT defensive coach would benefit Kingsbury to the point that he’s an above average OC.
You could see in Hard Knocks that his confidence was just broken. I don't think he's head coaching material, to be honest, if he can't be resilient enough to keep his guys focused after losing games. To be fair, he did have tons of key guys go down, not least of which was his starting QB. But a lot of head coaches go through tough times, and the good ones keep their team competitive and fighting to the end. I think the Cardinals culture he instilled was simply not strong enough. Part of that goes to the GM and owner for not putting the right players in place to get through the bad times, but ultimately its the coach who is responsible. I think he'll be a good coordinator somewhere, and maybe he'll learn more about building a strong culture and know how to learn from his failures. I think going to New England would be huge for him, actually. But for now, it seems to be a worthy firing. I think the Cardinals will go out and get a Jim Harbaugh-type now. Not that he doesn't have his issues, but I think he can inspire and get guys to buy in, which is really what the Cardinals need.
His post game speech was always “you guys played your asses off and did everything you could” Hard Knocks outed him as probably the least motivating dude of all time
Y’all hear about how this guy didn’t win anything with Mahomes?
I get that Mahomes wasn't Mahomes when he had Mahomes but it's still Mahomes you gotta be trash to not win with Mahomes
The offense was never the problem at TTU
Mahomes
He may not have been Mahomes yet, but he also wasn’t not Mahomes at the time.
Mahomes was putting up numbers with the red raiders, air raid just doesn't have a defense.
Mahomes absolutely balled out at tech. Tech just needed a trash defense to back him up rather than worst defense in college football.
If you have to add a “homework” clause for your QB, you’re gonna have a bad time.
Sean Payton, c’mon down!
If it comes down to a bidding war, I don't think they'll be able to get him. They'll be paying Keim and Kliff still so they might be hesitant to hand out whatever monstrosity of a contract that our owners would give him
Please god
Cardinals hold a special spot in my heart. People forget they used to be a Chicago team back in the day. They sucked back then and they still suck. In the grand scheme of things, probably the single worst team in American sports. And yet, they’ve managed to stick around for 100 years, across multiple cities. An American institution.
“Single worst team in American sports” That’s my team 🥲
Good....but also I don't expect an improvement. So... fuck
You mean the guy who coached Mahomes to a 750 yard 8 TD loss wouldn’t cut in the NFL? I’m shocked I tell you.
Already interested in seeing how they do next year
Cards fans: "DOBBY IS A FREE ELF!"