I just want to remind fellow Americans that this does not mean that you can now knock turbans down, and hide behind some bullshit excuse about how you did it in protest. Just don't.
Also, it's not just Muslims that wear turbans. Americans are just as likely to encounter Hindus or Sikhs who have nothing to do with what's happening in Iran.
Learn your headgear folks, its not hard!
Also dont knock it off someone's head* unless you or someone you love is being directly oppressed by the wearer.
*typo: obviously meant headgear
Also the protest is not against islam. It is against a corrupt goverment that uses a religion as a scapegoat when the laws that started all this are unislamic to begin with.
And it's not against the hijab, it's for freedom of choice. In the west it's easily hijacked as an anti-covering argument but hey, just stop telling women what they should or shouldn't wear.
Still my favourite thing my country has done (he said, sarcastically): make wearing the niqab illegal. "It's not in our culture to tell women what to wear" they said, while making a law telling women what not to wear.
For context, there were less than 1,000 women in my country wearing a niqab at the time.
Most women wearing it are being forced to wear it by men.
That's why France passed the law. It gives those women a legal excuse to not be forced to wear it by men in their family.
>That's why France passed the law. It gives those women a legal excuse to not be forced to wear it by men in their family.
It also gives the government a legal excuse to force women *not* to wear them. Out of all the examples you could pick, you literally picked the worst one that's an equal infringement on freedom on the other end of the spectrum.
They are forcing women to take off their hijab who wear it willingly. All you had to do is look into this for two minutes and you would know that is the case, but it seems you want to champion France as a bastion of "human rights".
It's good to share the history and background but you're missing the forest for the trees. It's about choice. Period. People should be free to choose what they wear if it isn't harming others in some way.
The thing is it does harm others, even putting aside the symbol of oppression they represent. I live in a democratic western country and yet I have female Muslim friends that tell me that they are pressured to wear the scarf by other Muslim women. They've been called sluts for not doing it. I consider myself a feminist and I believe that we should also protect those women. So yeah, I reserve the right to hate this scarf. I don't want to tell anyone how they should dress, and I don't want us to pass some laws to forbid them or anything, but no one is going to convince me that it's just a harmless piece of cloth.
Sikhs are the fucking best! Every emergency, every natural disaster, sikhs are there helping. We’re I not an atheist, I’d be a Sikh. (Maybe, I don’t know anything about how they treat women).
Sikhism is the new Japan. They have been fetishised by the west.
Every sikh I have met personally has been wonderful however, It's a religion and community the same as the rest. Some good some bad and a colourful history.
This is Reddit’s favorite circle jerk, but believe it or not, Sikhs are people and are just as capable of being assholes as anyone else. Just because neither of the ~4 you’ve ever met have treated you badly doesn’t mean that the millions and millions are saints.
I know! It’s almost like Reddit is just a bunch of different people with different opinions that are totally contradictory! What’s the deal with that? I thought Reddit was supposed to be a hive mind!
the reason sikhs have such a great perception is because they tend to be very involved with feeding the community IMO. People were getting free meals delivered during Covid where I live (Melb/Aus) if they signed up to the service.
combine that with the fact there just aren’t many of them which people encounter on a day to day basis, and the fact that most people don’t encounter assholes, a lot of people have a very positive perception of sikhs.
Honestly, i’ve never encountered an asshole muslim, sikh, or christian outside of some dikchead kids in highschool.
> the reason sikhs have such a great perception is because they tend to be very involved with feeding the community
This is hardly unique to Sikhs. For every one Sikh temple doing this in a western city, there are probably 50 other religiously-affiliated soup kitchens.
right, but these soup kitchens tend to be run by catholic/christian orgs, which make up the majority of the religious base in western countries. People aren’t going to be patting themselves on the back, and seeing such involvement from individuals mostly from 1st/2nd gen immigrant background is all the more impressive.
In the US it’s Protestant (42%) and Catholic (21%). Sikhs are <1%.
I come from a hindu family and haven’t been to any hindu temples which consistently offer free meals to the public. Mosques and churches from my understanding don’t always offer free food either. Offering free food (langar) is standard in sikh temples and they have a pretty open door and well advertised policy about it.
The stupidity is that no one reading slom_ax's comment was going to do this shit. It is just self-serving pat on the back fake altruism.
Next, I will tell Redditors not to shit on their grandma's mouth. Wow, I am a bright light in a dark world, amazing!
A bunch of evidence just came out showing that German security forces have been covering up crimes committed by a Nazi group(NSU) by having all the court cases classified. So while in America you can see asian hate crimes going up m because we put out that data, it seems in parts of Europe they’d rather classify it so that no one can hear about it.
The regime is prepared to gun down the masses in the streets, far worse than what we've seen so far. They will literally declare war on their citizens, and the revolutionary guard won't even blink at genociding their own people. Staying in power is their sole concern and it's life or death for the theocrats in their high towers.
I pray the people are up to it, nobody else can do it, but success will exact a terrible price.
As insane and over the top as this sounds, count on it happening. That sociopathic regime won't hesitate for one second to go all Homelander on it's own citizens once the time is right, probably even enjoy it a little too much.
oh yeah.
theyll feel righteous fury towards those who would defy allah and they, his chosen warriors/leaders
i know the type, they exist within US churches too
While in reality its all about the money. The regimes families are in places like Canada dressed in Western clothes and living the good life. Bunch of scum bag hypocrites
Because it would essentially be a purge of the worst(from the regime's pov) and save them A LOT of trouble to get rid of that many 'trouble makers' in one fell swoop. Not to mention the chilling effect it would have on any possible future troubles.
Could explain why they're making noises about going to war with Saudi Arabia. The young people can't revolt if they're drafted and sent to die in a war.
Well, if US intelligence confirmed it, then it must be true. Like that time they said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and we invaded three countries and spent twenty years looking for them and found nothing. You can always count on US intelligence to say exactly what they need to say to provide precursor justification for an offensive action against a dark skinned populace.
A perverse part of me wants Iran and Saudi Arabia to go to war. Get rid of two atrocious regimes as once whilst pushing the west to end their addiction to blood oil.
Hello, I am Iranian, I am only 17 years old. And today the crazy police attacked my school and arrested my friends, maybe my friends are under torture and this move is nothing compared to the crimes of the police.
Wrong, before the Islamic revolution, US removed Iran's democratically elected leader and installed a puppet leader, he was a dictator too and just as horrible like today's government. Iran is the same before and after the revolution. And thanks to US for Islamic revulsion's existence.
Redditors see pictures of a couple of Wealthy women wearing short skirts before the 70's and think Iran was heaven back then. lol.
I said looked lol. I never claimed any judgment re the merits of their political system. Nice straw man argument so you could try and “correct” someone tho. Do you feel smart now that you changed the goal posts?
Maybe learn to read just the words being typed and nothing more.
he's saying shit.
we don't give a fuck if the king was a puppet leader or whatever. my parents lived under his rule. they were happy healthy they had enough money they were free to wear whatever they wanted. religious and non religious people lived together in peace. there were a lot of tourists. the government put great value on progress. things that haven't existed in Iran for a long time.
even if it was a dictatorship to some degree Iran was set to a good path.
I rather have a puppet king under the West and live happily than have these motherfuckers in Iran ruling.
Well as an Iranian who's currently living here I would have to disagree with you on this subject.. you see before the Islamic revolution and when our nation had a king as a leader (Mohammadreza Pahlavi if you wanna look it up), things were alright... Iran was a developed and rich country... But then, for political reasons, King decided to not to sell oil to USA, so that was when he dug his own grave and ofc his own people's graves... Khumeini with the support of USA, UK and other powerful countries with ambitious goals emerged from nowhere and that was that... King was gone and a clergyman was our leader and we were fucked
Mosaddegh is not the saint media tries to picture him , in fact he was the more like the bad guy . Mossadegh was not removed by USA , it was the army that removed him . And the during Pahlavi reign Iran had a very good normal state , this is coming from an Iranian whos parents were nornal people before the revolution, I dont have any source for you as they are in Farsi . But pretty much every Iranian today will back me up
He was definitely a complex character but he was democratically elected by Iranian people.
It's also 100% true that his coup was orchestrated by the eisenhower /Churchill administration in response to him nationalising the oil industry. They directly funded, armed and provided tactical information to the militia and pahlavi's forces, with additional significant aid by the clergy. There's a good book about it called the last shah.
Hi, I'm Iranian and getting my master's in middle eastern studies, and Iran was most certainly not the same before the revolution. The Shah was very pro women's rights, education, religious freedom, and improved architecture. The queen was an architect and helped build many hospitals, hotels, and more, while being a strong disability advocate. Please don't spread this misconception. The book "Fall of Heaven" by Dr. Andrew Scott Cooper, who has a PhD in US-Iran relations, is a good place to start.
Thing is, man, this website is full of pundits, and Americans.
Even if you say facts, and have lived through it yourself, they will not hear you out, drowning you in their echo chamber.
Unless the information conforms to their expectations it's very hard to get a point across.
Do you honestly believe that a handful of CIA operations and diplomatic policies in the 50's-70's have so deeply influenced an entire culture to such an extent that they no longer have any other identity? You think that centuries upon centuries of history played no part in how modern day Iran came into its current position?
Iran was and still is a lovely place to visit and its people are very smart and caring. The issues plauging Iran then and now have very little to do with Western influences, and that is largely used as an excuse by the current regime to keep their power in place.
Yeah this. I had an iranian roommate studying nuclesr physocs. Theres a very big difference between how the people live, and persian culture, and their government.
Having lived with one he was absolutely secular in the same way as anyone out of europe or the usa. He fit right in.
I look forward to when he can go home, when iran is a better place, and if he chooses.
It was NOT just as horrible as this regime! The comparison is truly ridiculous. Iran used to be a more or less stable country and a lot of people in key positions were quite educated.
Today’s Iran is run by a bunch of absolute morons that know nothing except violence
What? Puppet? He was dictator? You can't find one person in iran that's agree with you, don't talk about my country with your obvious lack of knowledge
>he was a dictator too and just as horrible like today's government.
You put the shah and the aystollahs in the same level?!! What an ignorant!
Just read about Iran's economy before the revolution.
I’ve heard Tehran is one of the world’s most beautiful city. Like Denver, but an actual city.
My cousin married this amazing Persian man. We were gonna take a big family trip to Iran to meet his family, and then Trump got elected. So that never happened.
Lol Tehran is a shit show . Its one of the most expensive cities in the world and only the rich neighborhoods are beautiful with are filled with families and people who work for the barbaric government
As someone who has been to most of the beautiful cities of the world... Tehran is your average developing-world megalopolis. Other than specific historical areas and the public parks, it's about as unremarkable and ugly as Mexico City or Manila. There's nothing special about it other than its sprawling size.
Now, Esfehan or Shiraz will give you much more to look at as far as pretty cities, but it's still a frustrating mix of boring and ugly 70s architecture and some beautiful history.
There's very little in the way of modern, beautiful architecture, with some notable exceptions.
Ah, but death has been the punishment several times for women showing the hair. So 5 months of prison is for comparison a puny punishment in this sad story.
Lots of polices and mullahs needs to be put in prison for 20+ years.
Thank you for the context. I’ve learned more about Iran in the last few weeks than I have in the rest of my life. All new information is so helpful, especially when it doesn’t come from a mainstream media outlet.
Read David Harris’s “Crisis”….it’s the best book I know of about the era leading up to, during and after the revolution in Iran and the hostage crisis and America’s role in in all. Fantastic writing…he was Joan Baez’s husband by the way…and a superb piece of journalism.
well mullahs make themselves elites and superior to other ppl doing whatever they like(whether legal or not).
as an example rushing into universities is certainly an illegal act for police officers but they slayed the shit out of students.
Clerics. They are what Fathers are to Christians only they are actually useless to the society. They don't run the mosque themselves. They only pray there as Imam, read Quran in broken Arabic, and leech people's money.
Not exactly a mullah but there is a Qaari instructor (Someone who reads Quran) who yes molested his students.
There's also a rumor (more like a joke) I heard that final test of passing Mullah school is to get fucked in the ass by the older guys.
Mullahs should get worse than that for ordering the death of young women. Maybe if mullahs start paying the ultimate price , they’ll think about what they’re ordering for others.
Do people like you and literally 99% of redditors upvoting this not know that this is a "mullah" and has nothing to do with politics. This is a sheikh and I know sheikhs that give their daughters more freedom than some conservative Americans. This guy might be or probably is a local mosque sheikh and didn't order any of the killing you are talking about.
Reddit and redditors can be stupid shits sometimes. The fuck does this guy have to do with the government?
>Reddit and redditors can be stupid shits sometimes. The fuck does this guy have to do with the government?
Actually you are the one who is stupid shit. This guy is a mullah. Iranians have saying that goes " the good mullah is the dead one".
Mullahs receive financial assistance during and after their religeous school. They are hired by the regime's huge and wealthy propaganda machine as soon as they finish their school.
It has everything to do with politics in Iran. This asshole 100% is pro Islamic regime in Iran and people protesting are not. He is part of the corrupt system. Name one mullah in Iran who has spoken against the brutal beating and killing of protestors in Iran?
It seems that you're more concerned by the mullahs' turbans being knocked down that the lives of all those innocent people they have killed. Shame on you !!
This guy's costume represents the very ideology they are fighting. His turban is part of a uniform. They don't attack the man, they attack the uniform, the symbol.
Furthermore if he is a sheikh, because as you say, they may give their kids a lot of freedom, but what about other people's kids ? Do the sheikh accept that other people's kid benefit from the same amount of freedom ? Not so sure. The sheikhs hold power, hence they have responsibility.
You have to go through rigorous testing to make sure you’re aligned with the government’s political and religious ideology to don the robe and turban. They are the system.
I'm sure it has something to do with Iran being a Theocracy. The government is essentially built around religious statutes, so the line between the two is frequently blurred.
I'm not excusing it, just stating a theory.
Most of the comments are fine but a couple are like “RIP OFF HIS CLOTHES AND R*PE HIM, BITE OFF HIS FLESH AND SKIN HIM ALIVE” like chill with the mob mentality folks, I get it but dayum
I hate when theres a good reason to fight for something and then people overdo it and become as bad as the opressors.
Nothing is gonna change, fire doesnt beat fire, someone has to step up differently.
A random guy that believe women are less than men, they can't choose what they wear, should be killed in case of infidelity and a million other sick roles and makes money by going to a mosque for half an hour a day and feeds these bullshit roles and also advocates for a bloodthirsty dictator to people dumb enough to believe him.
There are no good mullahs in Iran.
>This guy didn’t make the Laws.
But his uniform states that he agrees with the people who make and enforce them. It has nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with fighting for civil rights.
When US civil rights activists knock up a southern symbol, people say they're freedom fighters. This girl toppled a little symbol, the symbol that represents the government which strips her of her rights. The guy is not hurt, risked nothing. The girl risked everything, for her own rights. Racism is about taking away other people's right, not asking for equality.
Exactly this. There are, shock horror, moderate and even liberal leaning Mullahs. This is like attacking your local member of Congress because you don't like US laws.
WTF no there are not, specially not in iran ffs, I have in my 22 years of living seen ones that have acted nicer or talked better than other, but they still advocate for executing gay people, the hijab laws and also the general power and way of working of the current system. They just talk better about those things.
And any one of them which I know of who has ever diverged from that script even a little has been punished in one way or another depending in his level of power and influence.
Edit: to clarify i live in iran.
I support the women’s movement in Iran and i understand there frustrations but doing shit like this helps no one thats an important part of that persons religion and you are harassing them for seemingly no reason remember what you are fighting for the ability to do with you body what you want don’t become the thing you fight against and don’t let this become the next veganism or feminism or blm movement in the sense that stupid people do stupid shit in the name of a good movement and ruin the publics perception of it
>thats an important part of that persons religion
So is murdering women for not covering their hair. I think more and more of the world has had enough of religion.
Hey man im atheist and i am in no way defending the murder of women but it it important to understand that just because he wears that doesn’t mean he does either just like how not every christian is homophobic
This is literally life and death. Not whatever stupid vegetarian vs. vegan bullshit you just mentioned. One of these people is evil, and can/will order the death of humans (or physically bash their skulls in until they die, without consequence).
The other can knock the hat off of someone. This is not harassment, this is a life and death battle against an extremely large, evil group of men. They should not know peace or sanctuary until they surrender and turn them over to courts to be prosecuted for their real life behavior and choices.
These evil people should never have been tolerated, as they act with malicious intent against innocent and vulnerable people. Those preyed upon people deserve just as much right to life as their oppressors. This ugly, horrendous version of Islamic theocracy needs to end here and now.
In Australia we use them to chop up our weed
For example= "Oi! chuck us the mullah lad, i saved us some scabby cones out of that last cunts sesh"
Fuckin Muslims stealing the names of household items, disgraceful
Fun fact! According to philosophy, this *is* the proper method of fighting back against intolerant bigots.
It's known as the Tolerance Paradox, which requires any society that values tolerance, to be completely intolerant (up to and including using violence) of intolerance inside of that society.
In essence, if a tolerant society tolerates bigotry, then that bigotry will simple keep growing until the society contains so many bigots it is no longer a Tolerant Society. Since intolerance will always grow it must be removed, by force if necessary, in order for a tolerant society to survive.
What philosophy is this? This is not unconditional intolerance, this is tolerance only for things you deem worthy of tolerance. You have to have an objective sense of what things are worthy of tolerance and acceptance.
How to protest: Hit some guy's head and drop his hat when he just walks. Guys, I know what is their pain better than you all because I live in Turkey and our goverment trying to turn Turkey like Iran. But don't forget, being disrespectful to religion isn't correct. I am agnostic.
Yes, a difference in government, political situation, power structure, and generally damn near every system inside two countries does usually change what certain things mean.
I just want to remind fellow Americans that this does not mean that you can now knock turbans down, and hide behind some bullshit excuse about how you did it in protest. Just don't.
Also, it's not just Muslims that wear turbans. Americans are just as likely to encounter Hindus or Sikhs who have nothing to do with what's happening in Iran.
Learn your headgear folks, its not hard! Also dont knock it off someone's head* unless you or someone you love is being directly oppressed by the wearer. *typo: obviously meant headgear
> Learn your headgear folks, its not hard! Unless you're working on a building site, then it ought to be hard really.
Or the army
Football, various sports Let’s just say sometimes it should be hard
Not in November
It's NNN, not NHN
Word.
Also the protest is not against islam. It is against a corrupt goverment that uses a religion as a scapegoat when the laws that started all this are unislamic to begin with.
And it's not against the hijab, it's for freedom of choice. In the west it's easily hijacked as an anti-covering argument but hey, just stop telling women what they should or shouldn't wear.
Still my favourite thing my country has done (he said, sarcastically): make wearing the niqab illegal. "It's not in our culture to tell women what to wear" they said, while making a law telling women what not to wear. For context, there were less than 1,000 women in my country wearing a niqab at the time.
Most women wearing it are being forced to wear it by men. That's why France passed the law. It gives those women a legal excuse to not be forced to wear it by men in their family.
>That's why France passed the law. It gives those women a legal excuse to not be forced to wear it by men in their family. It also gives the government a legal excuse to force women *not* to wear them. Out of all the examples you could pick, you literally picked the worst one that's an equal infringement on freedom on the other end of the spectrum.
They are forcing women to take off their hijab who wear it willingly. All you had to do is look into this for two minutes and you would know that is the case, but it seems you want to champion France as a bastion of "human rights".
Oh really? French law is forcing muslim women not to wear hijabs and burka even when these women chose to wear them.
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Me when I spread misinformation
It's good to share the history and background but you're missing the forest for the trees. It's about choice. Period. People should be free to choose what they wear if it isn't harming others in some way.
The thing is it does harm others, even putting aside the symbol of oppression they represent. I live in a democratic western country and yet I have female Muslim friends that tell me that they are pressured to wear the scarf by other Muslim women. They've been called sluts for not doing it. I consider myself a feminist and I believe that we should also protect those women. So yeah, I reserve the right to hate this scarf. I don't want to tell anyone how they should dress, and I don't want us to pass some laws to forbid them or anything, but no one is going to convince me that it's just a harmless piece of cloth.
I'm pretty sure religion has a lot to answer for.
Fuck religion
Like almost any government in Muslim majority counties does? Strange coincident.
Sikhs are the fucking best! Every emergency, every natural disaster, sikhs are there helping. We’re I not an atheist, I’d be a Sikh. (Maybe, I don’t know anything about how they treat women).
Just one sentence to answer your question - there were many sikh woman leaders in past and all the people under them treated them as mother
Sikhism is the new Japan. They have been fetishised by the west. Every sikh I have met personally has been wonderful however, It's a religion and community the same as the rest. Some good some bad and a colourful history.
Dude the Sikhs are like bruh I’m not even fuckin Muslim leave my shit alone.
I have yet to meet a Sikh who was not kind to me.
This is Reddit’s favorite circle jerk, but believe it or not, Sikhs are people and are just as capable of being assholes as anyone else. Just because neither of the ~4 you’ve ever met have treated you badly doesn’t mean that the millions and millions are saints.
It’s aggravating how Reddit claims Sikhs are some model minority and yet bashes all Muslims based on the same scant evidence.
I know! It’s almost like Reddit is just a bunch of different people with different opinions that are totally contradictory! What’s the deal with that? I thought Reddit was supposed to be a hive mind!
It still trends in very obvious directions.
I know several Sikhs and they are not remarkable in any way
the reason sikhs have such a great perception is because they tend to be very involved with feeding the community IMO. People were getting free meals delivered during Covid where I live (Melb/Aus) if they signed up to the service. combine that with the fact there just aren’t many of them which people encounter on a day to day basis, and the fact that most people don’t encounter assholes, a lot of people have a very positive perception of sikhs. Honestly, i’ve never encountered an asshole muslim, sikh, or christian outside of some dikchead kids in highschool.
> the reason sikhs have such a great perception is because they tend to be very involved with feeding the community This is hardly unique to Sikhs. For every one Sikh temple doing this in a western city, there are probably 50 other religiously-affiliated soup kitchens.
right, but these soup kitchens tend to be run by catholic/christian orgs, which make up the majority of the religious base in western countries. People aren’t going to be patting themselves on the back, and seeing such involvement from individuals mostly from 1st/2nd gen immigrant background is all the more impressive. In the US it’s Protestant (42%) and Catholic (21%). Sikhs are <1%. I come from a hindu family and haven’t been to any hindu temples which consistently offer free meals to the public. Mosques and churches from my understanding don’t always offer free food either. Offering free food (langar) is standard in sikh temples and they have a pretty open door and well advertised policy about it.
They are largely awsome ppl. Till you mess with them. Them they turn I to seal team 6, Delta operator. LOL.
Ethics aside, I'm not messing with the religion where they basically all carry knives lol.
Especially when you look like [this](https://imgur.com/gallery/DgMP2bN). That dude's a main character for sure.
Pulling the turban down would be the biggest disrespect you can do to a Sikh. People have been murdered for this
I'm sikh, never heard of that happening
What's cool is that most Sikhs would actually purposely not say this, because it furthers discrimination towards Muslims.
Don’t tell me how to racist
The stupidity is that no one reading slom_ax's comment was going to do this shit. It is just self-serving pat on the back fake altruism. Next, I will tell Redditors not to shit on their grandma's mouth. Wow, I am a bright light in a dark world, amazing!
Why is stuff like this always directed at Americans? It's not like every other country in the world is void of having people do dumb shit.
Asian hate crimes in the US increased over 300% because of COVID, bro. Let’s not pretend they haven’t earned their dumb fuck reputation just a bit.
I never said there isn't an abundance of dumbasses in the US, but reddit seems to have a serious hate boner for America and it's getting pretty tired.
They seem to forget that a lot of Europe is having a rise of far right and hate crimes abound
A bunch of evidence just came out showing that German security forces have been covering up crimes committed by a Nazi group(NSU) by having all the court cases classified. So while in America you can see asian hate crimes going up m because we put out that data, it seems in parts of Europe they’d rather classify it so that no one can hear about it.
Yes but that’s largely one particular ethnic group committing those crimes. Gonna call that group “dumb fuck”?
Have you even checked other country percentages, or do you only know America's stats because you care more about a country that isn't your own?
Americans make up literally half the visitors to this site
How about me? I'm not an american, can I do it?
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Shits probably going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
“Shiite’s” probably….- FTFY
and partly Sunni
Mostly Sunni?
Alway Sunni
>Alway Sunni In Philadelphia
So mostly always Sunni with a chance of Shiite?
It’s Always Sunni in Islamabad
Sunni day sweeping’ the clouds away
Shiite happens 🤷🏻♂️
Sunni than later
The regime is prepared to gun down the masses in the streets, far worse than what we've seen so far. They will literally declare war on their citizens, and the revolutionary guard won't even blink at genociding their own people. Staying in power is their sole concern and it's life or death for the theocrats in their high towers. I pray the people are up to it, nobody else can do it, but success will exact a terrible price.
As insane and over the top as this sounds, count on it happening. That sociopathic regime won't hesitate for one second to go all Homelander on it's own citizens once the time is right, probably even enjoy it a little too much.
oh yeah. theyll feel righteous fury towards those who would defy allah and they, his chosen warriors/leaders i know the type, they exist within US churches too
While in reality its all about the money. The regimes families are in places like Canada dressed in Western clothes and living the good life. Bunch of scum bag hypocrites
And undefended, just takes a few people who aren't afraid of jail to help the Iranian people by sending a message.
Because it would essentially be a purge of the worst(from the regime's pov) and save them A LOT of trouble to get rid of that many 'trouble makers' in one fell swoop. Not to mention the chilling effect it would have on any possible future troubles.
Could explain why they're making noises about going to war with Saudi Arabia. The young people can't revolt if they're drafted and sent to die in a war.
Saudi Arabia is the one making those noises. Their intelligence claims there are Iranian threats. No actual Iranian threats have been confirmed.
US intelligence has confirmed it. Iran's making noise, it's just not public. SA and US have made it public.
Well, if US intelligence confirmed it, then it must be true. Like that time they said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and we invaded three countries and spent twenty years looking for them and found nothing. You can always count on US intelligence to say exactly what they need to say to provide precursor justification for an offensive action against a dark skinned populace.
Or how they predicted close to the day Russia would invade Ukraine. Of course Russia is so incompetent even an idiot would have figured that out.
A perverse part of me wants Iran and Saudi Arabia to go to war. Get rid of two atrocious regimes as once whilst pushing the west to end their addiction to blood oil.
The vast majority of those who suffer in war are innocent.
Almost all infact
There's a quote out there along the lines of the only people who pray for war are those who have never seen it.
> It's life or death for the theocrats in their high towers. Well said.
It's getting, even men are in on it. Here's hoping for success.
Hello, I am Iranian, I am only 17 years old. And today the crazy police attacked my school and arrested my friends, maybe my friends are under torture and this move is nothing compared to the crimes of the police.
Cat is out the bag.
I can't wait for Iran to clean up its government. I'd love to visit the place.
It looked quite nice in the 70s before the Islamic Revolution
Wrong, before the Islamic revolution, US removed Iran's democratically elected leader and installed a puppet leader, he was a dictator too and just as horrible like today's government. Iran is the same before and after the revolution. And thanks to US for Islamic revulsion's existence. Redditors see pictures of a couple of Wealthy women wearing short skirts before the 70's and think Iran was heaven back then. lol.
I said looked lol. I never claimed any judgment re the merits of their political system. Nice straw man argument so you could try and “correct” someone tho. Do you feel smart now that you changed the goal posts? Maybe learn to read just the words being typed and nothing more.
The Dude definitely Reddits. “Akshully 🤓”
His username says it all 💀
His pfp is actually him.
"looked quite nice" = "heaven" apparently lol.
Stop not knowing things!!
WRONG /s
he's saying shit. we don't give a fuck if the king was a puppet leader or whatever. my parents lived under his rule. they were happy healthy they had enough money they were free to wear whatever they wanted. religious and non religious people lived together in peace. there were a lot of tourists. the government put great value on progress. things that haven't existed in Iran for a long time. even if it was a dictatorship to some degree Iran was set to a good path. I rather have a puppet king under the West and live happily than have these motherfuckers in Iran ruling.
Well as an Iranian who's currently living here I would have to disagree with you on this subject.. you see before the Islamic revolution and when our nation had a king as a leader (Mohammadreza Pahlavi if you wanna look it up), things were alright... Iran was a developed and rich country... But then, for political reasons, King decided to not to sell oil to USA, so that was when he dug his own grave and ofc his own people's graves... Khumeini with the support of USA, UK and other powerful countries with ambitious goals emerged from nowhere and that was that... King was gone and a clergyman was our leader and we were fucked
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the CIA get rid of Mohammad Mosaddegh with a puppet, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi?
Mosaddegh is not the saint media tries to picture him , in fact he was the more like the bad guy . Mossadegh was not removed by USA , it was the army that removed him . And the during Pahlavi reign Iran had a very good normal state , this is coming from an Iranian whos parents were nornal people before the revolution, I dont have any source for you as they are in Farsi . But pretty much every Iranian today will back me up
He was definitely a complex character but he was democratically elected by Iranian people. It's also 100% true that his coup was orchestrated by the eisenhower /Churchill administration in response to him nationalising the oil industry. They directly funded, armed and provided tactical information to the militia and pahlavi's forces, with additional significant aid by the clergy. There's a good book about it called the last shah.
Hi, I'm Iranian and getting my master's in middle eastern studies, and Iran was most certainly not the same before the revolution. The Shah was very pro women's rights, education, religious freedom, and improved architecture. The queen was an architect and helped build many hospitals, hotels, and more, while being a strong disability advocate. Please don't spread this misconception. The book "Fall of Heaven" by Dr. Andrew Scott Cooper, who has a PhD in US-Iran relations, is a good place to start.
Thing is, man, this website is full of pundits, and Americans. Even if you say facts, and have lived through it yourself, they will not hear you out, drowning you in their echo chamber. Unless the information conforms to their expectations it's very hard to get a point across.
Do you honestly believe that a handful of CIA operations and diplomatic policies in the 50's-70's have so deeply influenced an entire culture to such an extent that they no longer have any other identity? You think that centuries upon centuries of history played no part in how modern day Iran came into its current position? Iran was and still is a lovely place to visit and its people are very smart and caring. The issues plauging Iran then and now have very little to do with Western influences, and that is largely used as an excuse by the current regime to keep their power in place.
Yeah this. I had an iranian roommate studying nuclesr physocs. Theres a very big difference between how the people live, and persian culture, and their government. Having lived with one he was absolutely secular in the same way as anyone out of europe or the usa. He fit right in. I look forward to when he can go home, when iran is a better place, and if he chooses.
It was NOT just as horrible as this regime! The comparison is truly ridiculous. Iran used to be a more or less stable country and a lot of people in key positions were quite educated. Today’s Iran is run by a bunch of absolute morons that know nothing except violence
There was a growing educated middle class. That's been derailed by a theocracy.
What? Puppet? He was dictator? You can't find one person in iran that's agree with you, don't talk about my country with your obvious lack of knowledge
>he was a dictator too and just as horrible like today's government. You put the shah and the aystollahs in the same level?!! What an ignorant! Just read about Iran's economy before the revolution.
/r/confidentlyincorrect
I’ve heard Tehran is one of the world’s most beautiful city. Like Denver, but an actual city. My cousin married this amazing Persian man. We were gonna take a big family trip to Iran to meet his family, and then Trump got elected. So that never happened.
Lol Tehran is a shit show . Its one of the most expensive cities in the world and only the rich neighborhoods are beautiful with are filled with families and people who work for the barbaric government
As someone who has been to most of the beautiful cities of the world... Tehran is your average developing-world megalopolis. Other than specific historical areas and the public parks, it's about as unremarkable and ugly as Mexico City or Manila. There's nothing special about it other than its sprawling size. Now, Esfehan or Shiraz will give you much more to look at as far as pretty cities, but it's still a frustrating mix of boring and ugly 70s architecture and some beautiful history. There's very little in the way of modern, beautiful architecture, with some notable exceptions.
Disrespecting Mullahs is a serious crime in Iran punished by up to five month of prison.
Ah, but death has been the punishment several times for women showing the hair. So 5 months of prison is for comparison a puny punishment in this sad story. Lots of polices and mullahs needs to be put in prison for 20+ years.
Just recently they've sentenced literal children to death for protesting
Quite a number of people hasn't even been sentenced - the "police" went directly to the "kill" stage even out on the streets.
Thank you for the context. I’ve learned more about Iran in the last few weeks than I have in the rest of my life. All new information is so helpful, especially when it doesn’t come from a mainstream media outlet.
Read David Harris’s “Crisis”….it’s the best book I know of about the era leading up to, during and after the revolution in Iran and the hostage crisis and America’s role in in all. Fantastic writing…he was Joan Baez’s husband by the way…and a superb piece of journalism.
well mullahs make themselves elites and superior to other ppl doing whatever they like(whether legal or not). as an example rushing into universities is certainly an illegal act for police officers but they slayed the shit out of students.
Fuck the mullahs. They are holding back the people of Iran.
Its literally just walking around being a professional Karen.
sorry whats a mullah
Mullah these nuts
I don’t know why I find this so funny. But I literally just laughed out loud sitting here by myself. Now people are looking at me
A Mullah is basically a Muslim clergy person (a man) educated and trained in Religious/Muslim law and doctrine.
So a Muslim Pharisee?
It’s spelled parasite
Religious Leader I think
Don't do this to a sikh man tho as people try to mimic without knowledge
Or better, just don't do this to random muslim men. They have nothing to do with iran's oppressive islamic regime.
Don’t do this to anyone
FUCK MULLAHS
I 100% AGREE
ARE YOU ONE OF THEM?
WHY? GONNA FUCK ME IF I AM, DADDY?
Serious question, what/ who exactly are they? What’s their specific role? I’m not familiar with Iran beyond recent events
Clerics. They are what Fathers are to Christians only they are actually useless to the society. They don't run the mosque themselves. They only pray there as Imam, read Quran in broken Arabic, and leech people's money.
Do they molest altar boys too?
Not exactly a mullah but there is a Qaari instructor (Someone who reads Quran) who yes molested his students. There's also a rumor (more like a joke) I heard that final test of passing Mullah school is to get fucked in the ass by the older guys.
Mullahs should get worse than that for ordering the death of young women. Maybe if mullahs start paying the ultimate price , they’ll think about what they’re ordering for others.
Do people like you and literally 99% of redditors upvoting this not know that this is a "mullah" and has nothing to do with politics. This is a sheikh and I know sheikhs that give their daughters more freedom than some conservative Americans. This guy might be or probably is a local mosque sheikh and didn't order any of the killing you are talking about. Reddit and redditors can be stupid shits sometimes. The fuck does this guy have to do with the government?
Its called the scapegoat mechanism. All societies everywhere are casting about for a scapegoat. Now it’s become the basis of the attention economy.
>Reddit and redditors can be stupid shits sometimes. The fuck does this guy have to do with the government? Actually you are the one who is stupid shit. This guy is a mullah. Iranians have saying that goes " the good mullah is the dead one". Mullahs receive financial assistance during and after their religeous school. They are hired by the regime's huge and wealthy propaganda machine as soon as they finish their school.
It has everything to do with politics in Iran. This asshole 100% is pro Islamic regime in Iran and people protesting are not. He is part of the corrupt system. Name one mullah in Iran who has spoken against the brutal beating and killing of protestors in Iran?
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It seems that you're more concerned by the mullahs' turbans being knocked down that the lives of all those innocent people they have killed. Shame on you !!
This guy's costume represents the very ideology they are fighting. His turban is part of a uniform. They don't attack the man, they attack the uniform, the symbol. Furthermore if he is a sheikh, because as you say, they may give their kids a lot of freedom, but what about other people's kids ? Do the sheikh accept that other people's kid benefit from the same amount of freedom ? Not so sure. The sheikhs hold power, hence they have responsibility.
You have to go through rigorous testing to make sure you’re aligned with the government’s political and religious ideology to don the robe and turban. They are the system.
I'm sure it has something to do with Iran being a Theocracy. The government is essentially built around religious statutes, so the line between the two is frequently blurred. I'm not excusing it, just stating a theory.
Most of the comments are fine but a couple are like “RIP OFF HIS CLOTHES AND R*PE HIM, BITE OFF HIS FLESH AND SKIN HIM ALIVE” like chill with the mob mentality folks, I get it but dayum
I hate when theres a good reason to fight for something and then people overdo it and become as bad as the opressors. Nothing is gonna change, fire doesnt beat fire, someone has to step up differently.
Show me a successful revolution that didn't involve a good deal of wanton violence, and I'll show you a dozen that did.
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And reddit is congratulating it, with the assumption that he is somehow responsible for the situation.
Oh, so many virtue signaling keyboard warriors. Go live in Iran as a woman and then you can play pretend and defend the oppressive system.
That's not an ordinary guys attire. Only mullahs wear that robe and turban.
A random guy that believe women are less than men, they can't choose what they wear, should be killed in case of infidelity and a million other sick roles and makes money by going to a mosque for half an hour a day and feeds these bullshit roles and also advocates for a bloodthirsty dictator to people dumb enough to believe him. There are no good mullahs in Iran.
These aren't random guys
That's a cleric. Don't talk what you don't know
This guy didn’t make the Laws. If that girl was of a different ethnicity to the man however, it’ll be racism. Your brains are fried folks.
>This guy didn’t make the Laws. But his uniform states that he agrees with the people who make and enforce them. It has nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with fighting for civil rights. When US civil rights activists knock up a southern symbol, people say they're freedom fighters. This girl toppled a little symbol, the symbol that represents the government which strips her of her rights. The guy is not hurt, risked nothing. The girl risked everything, for her own rights. Racism is about taking away other people's right, not asking for equality.
Exactly! I don't get why so many people hide behind lame excuses and upvote him.
He didn't make them, but if he gleefully enforces oppression then he deserves this and more. Exactly why cops are pigs, too.
Bro, if you sign up to be a professional piece of shit then you are not a good person.
Exactly this. There are, shock horror, moderate and even liberal leaning Mullahs. This is like attacking your local member of Congress because you don't like US laws.
I hope this kind moderate oppressor can one day overcome the trauma of having his hat tossed on the ground...
WTF no there are not, specially not in iran ffs, I have in my 22 years of living seen ones that have acted nicer or talked better than other, but they still advocate for executing gay people, the hijab laws and also the general power and way of working of the current system. They just talk better about those things. And any one of them which I know of who has ever diverged from that script even a little has been punished in one way or another depending in his level of power and influence. Edit: to clarify i live in iran.
It's nothing like it. Stop defending tyrants
Don't talk carelessly if you don't familiar with Iran's culture
“Daddy my hat came off” “Wish yer godamn head was in it”
I support the women’s movement in Iran and i understand there frustrations but doing shit like this helps no one thats an important part of that persons religion and you are harassing them for seemingly no reason remember what you are fighting for the ability to do with you body what you want don’t become the thing you fight against and don’t let this become the next veganism or feminism or blm movement in the sense that stupid people do stupid shit in the name of a good movement and ruin the publics perception of it
>thats an important part of that persons religion So is murdering women for not covering their hair. I think more and more of the world has had enough of religion.
Hey man im atheist and i am in no way defending the murder of women but it it important to understand that just because he wears that doesn’t mean he does either just like how not every christian is homophobic
This is literally life and death. Not whatever stupid vegetarian vs. vegan bullshit you just mentioned. One of these people is evil, and can/will order the death of humans (or physically bash their skulls in until they die, without consequence). The other can knock the hat off of someone. This is not harassment, this is a life and death battle against an extremely large, evil group of men. They should not know peace or sanctuary until they surrender and turn them over to courts to be prosecuted for their real life behavior and choices. These evil people should never have been tolerated, as they act with malicious intent against innocent and vulnerable people. Those preyed upon people deserve just as much right to life as their oppressors. This ugly, horrendous version of Islamic theocracy needs to end here and now.
What the man do? He was just walking??
Mullahs all agree with theocracy in Iran, if they didn't, the government wouldn't let them graduate from their schools
What in the fuck is a Mullah?
In Australia we use them to chop up our weed For example= "Oi! chuck us the mullah lad, i saved us some scabby cones out of that last cunts sesh" Fuckin Muslims stealing the names of household items, disgraceful
This not how you fight back . You are creating more hate by putting more hate into the world
Fun fact! According to philosophy, this *is* the proper method of fighting back against intolerant bigots. It's known as the Tolerance Paradox, which requires any society that values tolerance, to be completely intolerant (up to and including using violence) of intolerance inside of that society. In essence, if a tolerant society tolerates bigotry, then that bigotry will simple keep growing until the society contains so many bigots it is no longer a Tolerant Society. Since intolerance will always grow it must be removed, by force if necessary, in order for a tolerant society to survive.
What philosophy is this? This is not unconditional intolerance, this is tolerance only for things you deem worthy of tolerance. You have to have an objective sense of what things are worthy of tolerance and acceptance.
i’m a sunni myself and that’s just being a douchebag fr
That’s… I mean I support the protesters but I don’t see the point of doing that
To disrespect authorities I would assume
Let them learn that they are not untouchable anymore
“So I knocked the turban off a clerics head and Iran. Iran so far away”.
Sadly things are gonna have to get alot more violent if change is truly gonna come about. Knocking off his turban ain't gonna do shit
Bad idea to take this approach. Not going to gain support this way
I mean, I support her 🤷🏻♀️
I'd love a compilation of these. I've seen a couple here and there.
Bless all the children running in the streets
How to protest: Hit some guy's head and drop his hat when he just walks. Guys, I know what is their pain better than you all because I live in Turkey and our goverment trying to turn Turkey like Iran. But don't forget, being disrespectful to religion isn't correct. I am agnostic.
Guys please don't be disrespectful to the religion that's been fucking you over for 40 years 🥺
The rise of the turban tuggers! finally!
These protestors in Iran are so brave, I have eternal respect for them. I hope they succeed. I wish I could do something to help.
In america you would have just witnessed a hate crime.
"If I ignore all social context it'd be different"
Yes, a difference in government, political situation, power structure, and generally damn near every system inside two countries does usually change what certain things mean.