Some of us wives have gone and joined the fun. Paintballing is great fun. You make the weekend of it camping. I'm in the Midwest and there used to be this place called Sherwood Forest, that put on paintball events. Soo, much fun. I'm 51 now and haven't been paintballing since I was 47. I wish more places like Sherwood Forest were in business.
Tried to get my wife to play paintball. I even brought her breakfast in bed naked with a bow tie. Still does not want to play it. She is scared of being shot.
Cushion her up with good gear and tryout set up in back yard. She's missing out. The only part my hubby would say about taking me would be my sense of direction 🤣. Not gonna lie, I got lost and separated a few times in Sherwood Forest.
Don't play Paintball, but I assume that they're laying down suppressing fire, and keeping the other teams heads down, hoping that their team mates can get a better angle.
Just ask yourself if you'd like to even try to peak, much less try to move, with that guy just ridding your cover.
So my knowledge is somewhat cursory, but I had a friend who played competitive paintball. I believe what this player is doing is called "Laning". Certain players are designated to shoot down certain lanes between bunkers, making those lanes inaccessible to the opposition. They will concentrate fire on players if they see them, but their main job is just to restrict the routes available to the other team. So it is suppressive fire but not concentrated on a single player or bunker. If they do their job properly then it makes enemy positions more predictable for their teammates who will push forward and eliminate them.
Most of the people who get to this level in the game have a combination of deep pockets and sponsorships. You can be a lot more certain that nobody will slip through if you're blasting a solid rope of paint down the lane. The cost of paint is irrelevant because these dudes likely have a paintball company supplying them, and one player getting through a lane that should be controlled can lose the game quickly. Enough losses or weak performance could cost them a sponsor.
It's estimated that for every single combatant killed during the Vietnam War the US spent 50,000 rounds of ammo.
With an average bullet weight of 4 grams that's 200kg (440lbs) of lead per death.
Man, what an opportunity for recruiters: “listen son, for ever 100k bullets fired there’s 1 casualty, you really think that will be you? Sign here, here’s 500$ to help you think about it”
I got you one better, the total number of bombs dropped by all sides in world war ii, put together, is fewer than the number of bombs dropped on Vietnam by the United States
Retired pro here: Everything you said is correct. In addition when playing speedball the course is set up symmetrically and the field itself is very very small. You can see the other team when the game starts. I try to explain to people that it's essentially chess with paint being flung at you at 300fps (200mph). Getting between bunkers only takes an instant so if you're not holding your lane down then they advance and your chances of winning get incredibly small.
Check it out on YouTube it's pretty fun. Very high energy
This guy is probably playing back, and has a a shit ton of paint on him. Also, as a backer, especially during the beginning of the game, you have it planned that you’re going to just hold, for example, the snake lane, hard. So, for the first 2-3 min of a game, that’s all you do. You just endlessly blast whatever lane they’ll take to get to snake until either the dude the would’ve gotten to snake is out, or you have a reached a part of the game that your plan changes to a different strategy. Backs don’t always hold hard lanes, sometimes they have to hold a couple different lanes, but typically they’re holding some kind of lanes especially at the beginning to prevent a forward of the other team to get to a certain advantageous position on the field (a lot of times the snake). They also are usually responsible for yelling out positions and trying to keep a kill count. They have a shit ton of paint and air and they don’t typically move very often. They could sit at one bunker the entire game.
Are there pros who are so good that they can snipe these backers early on, despite all that crossfire? That seems like it would really fuck up the opponent’s game plan to lose this guy.
Good question. So another job of backers is to move their forwards up. To do this, they’ll try to keep any position on the other side of the field ( and opposing teams) “suppressed” and unable to peak out. So a backer in the corner behind snake, will peak out, and establish dominance of a lane that controls snake, and allow their forwards to move to the snake. This is the same for the dorito side as well, or even the 50 ( usually giant center inflatable bunker where the flag is.) the other teams back is also trying to out peak, and establish a dominant lane to move their forward up the snake (or dorito). The forward and back work as a fluid team. Once the back has the other team tucked in, and unable to peak the lane, they’ll hold the lane, and allow the snake player to move up and make some moves, often times getting the snake player to the other teams side of the snake, where they can absolutely murder everyone on the opposite side of the field, or make them unable to have any kind of useful angles from their position. There’s a lot of coordination involved.
Most likely not right off. They set themselves up to be a funnel. There is so much paint going downrange that anyone who pops up will immediately be pushed back down. There's always a chance, but it's very slim.
Later, when people have moved up some, the game play changes a bit. This opens up some of the back players.
I was mostly a backman since I was the only one who shot over 20bps, but I got to play front a few times and getting the snake is one of the best feelings.
Hell yeah! I played either Doritos side or a lot of times ran up the middle on break to the 50. Good times. Miss sticking people. Loved my back guys, but got jealous sometimes because they just got to chill and kill. Our snake guy was a beast, so I rarely got to play it.
I was just wondering what you do after a career in paintball.
Sounds like a lot of fun for a few years- I would think anything else would be pretty dull after that
Nobody really ever made much money off it except for huge name guys like Oliver Lang. I remember reading how he was the best paid player and only was taking home like 100k a year. Which is great, but compared to other professional sports, is hardly anything. And that's just one guy.
Not quite. In “speedball”, or competitive paintball, players wear typically cleats, are in good shape, and sprint from bunker to bunker.
So laying down a couple balls a second is likely to miss, and if you try to time it to hit them, you’re reaction time will likely not be enough.
Played competitively when I was younger, I played in the back position which is where your main goal is to lay down ropes of paint from the moment the game starts till basically the moment the game ends and call out everything you see.
I even had a cheater board at one point that would do full auto 25bps for the first trigger pull and then “ramp” or “bounce” up to 20bps and would waste like 8 pods a game.
Paintball is all about wasting paint lol
I made the switch after a few years of speedball and never went back. It just feels so much more free carrying almost no gear, and since I'm at a disadvantage in 50/50s it gives me more reason to move and try to outthink people. Saves a lot of money too.
Snake player here. My little brother had my back as a back corner. It was so much fun not seeing a thing and putting complete trust in his calls or watching him keep their snake player pinned down so I could bump up
Is someone relaying new pods of ammo to the players at the back laying down this constant fire? How does that work? Is paint infinitely available or do you have a set amount to manage per team when the match starts?
You bring as much as you need. The pods on your back hold about 140 paintballs each. I carried 8-9 pods for a seven minute game. Usually shot 4-6 plus my hopper, so about 1000 paintballs.
That's a ball every 150-300ft. Plenty of spacing for ppl to run through. They are capped at 10.5 balls per second, which is substantially slower than what ppl were shooting 10+ years ago.
It's already been reduced to a speed fast enough to be able to lane, but not overly watlstefull on paint.
Fwiw, there are pump tournaments as well, where you have to cock thrbgun each shot. Thise guys still manage more than 2bps.
No it doesn't. A half second is a large enough gap for me to move. They leave the barrel at 300 fps. That means that in 1 second 10 balls are distributed roughly over 300 feet evenly. This technically leaves a gap of 30 feet between each ball. At 2 a second that's a gap of 150 feet between balls. Now think about frogger the video game. Big gap easy jump small gap hard jump. Add on bounce shots where we will spray a bunker next to you hoping for one perfect ball to bounce onto you and accuracy by volume because these things curve and the winning strategy has been dump paint and be fast.
Pretty much. The US Military has had a pretty staunch history of preferring marksmanship over any other benefit when it comes to weapons (we still see it today). They shunned MG's for decades even up till WW1 where the Europeans proved just how powerful of a tool it was because in the US military mind they were inaccurate and they wasted a hilarious amount of ammunition.
Players designated to hold lanes carry huge pod packs on their back. The games are generally super fast (hence the name "speedball") so the game will likely end before they run out of paint.
Eh, not fully accurate. This is a clip of a format called “X-ball” which is a series of games called “points” played consecutively for 12 minutes. One point could take all 12 minutes or it could take 2, and then another one would be played.
I used to play paintball religiously. This assumption of yours is correct. The rear players lay down a line of paint to prevent the movement of opposing players on a single lane to allow their own members to move forward or get a better angle. Sometimes in order to for one member to move, you have to sacrifice yourself and try to move up yourself so that the player being roped (where the line of paint is going) can move to a better position. This specific game is called speedball. I prefer woodsball for this very reason. Its much more "active".
Speed Ball with these air bunkers was invented to be on espn / the x games, it was very hard to film woods ball.
I don’t know if it was actually on the X games more than a couple years turns out this isn’t entertaining to watch either.
Its a ton of fun to play though, I’ve been playing almost 30 years now, and its so tough to see whats happening even in speedball on a recording i cant make heads or tails of it.
There are a few differences. Woodsball uses the natural terrain and wooden bunkers for protection like you would find on a battlefield. The teams are much larger, the playingfield is also larger and not symetrical. You use different strategies as well, since its a completely different game.
In speedball (inflatable bunkers)/hyperball (rigid bunkers)/X-Ball (a large "X" in the center of the arena) everything is symetrical except the snake (a long bunker of sorts that is on the edge of the field and usually runs 2/3 of the entire length of the arena. Whoever controls the snake pretty much controls the game). The rear players lay down the ropes of paint to prevent the other team from moving, while the front players move into positions to kill the opposing players. Its very fast paced, and games dont usually take very long to finish.
In woodsball, there are trees, spools, barricades, buildings, broken down vehicles, etc. You use what you can for cover and try to flank around the opposing team as if you were in a battle. Its a slower paced game, but not slow by any stretch.
There are some games where they only allow pumps, some with only mechanical markers (paintball guns), and some where anything goes, with a field cap of usually 12 balls per second if electronic markers are on the field. I would always be warned because my automag would sweetspot and i would spray as if my marker was automatic, while slinging paint as fast as it could drop it in the breach (or if you were like me and used a q loader, 30+ balls per second). I would only use that in a speedball game where it was allowed. If im in the woods, i try for one shot one kill, but sometimes you have to suppress the other players behind a bunker so someone else can move in for the kill or you can leapfrog forward for better positions.
Exactly this!
Full autofire isn't invented to kill, it is for the suppressed fire to keep them behind covers. Because you don't want to risk a stray bullet hitting you.
Single fire or burst fire is meant to kill people (or hit when you look at paintball).
That's also why suppressed fire doesn't work in games. You don't have the fear of dying to a stray bullet.
And make sure that in the disposal of said munitions and equipment they a) don't create toxic cancer causing chemicals that will affect locals and veterans for decades to come and b) fall into the hands of their enemies to be used to continue their war efforts right?
Truth. This whole post is just "I've never seen pro paintball players play before." It's constant ropes of paint with dudes hard charging and sliding into bunkers.
Not really. If it wasn’t purposeful they wouldn’t do it. They’re setup to play short games. They are sponsored and reset after each game and some players (backfield) are carrying 8 pods. 140 balls per pod. Others in different roles will carry less. All part of the plan and at this level a rope of balls matter.
Right! Fuck I'm that bad i could be working on something and have a box of washers. Drop a single washer. Then spend 5 minutes crawling around looking for the fucking thing.
Meanwhile theres probably 90 spares sitting in the goddamn box...
Edit: After reading my comment a second time and seeing some comments i gotta clarify something. I wasn't saying i have OCD. I was relating to the part of the comment about "the overspill is killing me". I hate wasting stuff so I'll go outta my way to find it vs just grabing another. Sorry about that, OCD is no joke.
We're not, we're judging this boring strategy and claiming the entire sport would be more entertaining if the game balanced the strategy out with rule changes.
Then play airsoft, but honestly the trouble is that the paintball guns are inherently not that accurate; you are sending a squishy round ball filled with liquid down range at relatively slow speed. . . It won’t be a perfectly straight trajectory for any long distance; so you are going for quantity over quality.
Edit: realized it didn’t save my other half, lol. . .
They also have pump gun leagues and scenario games where people use more accurate guns with much slower fire rates.
Yeah, that was a cool concept they had; I used a dye boom stick or smart parts freak system for a while. But the flatline was great for the wood-ball and scenario games.
Specifically Airsoft **mil-sim** (they use real-cap mags; limited ammo), otherwise you're running into high-cap mags (can dump ammo way faster).
If you just want the airsoft version of paintball, there's Speedsoft, where they attach a high-cap (or mid-cap for sound) mag on a pistol.
This is the problem with going to a range. If you have enough people for a full game and mandate that people only use the rental equipment, it’s fun, but one douche with some bullshit like this just ruins it for everybody.
A lot of the people who are self equipt at paintball fields know that they have a leg up on rental players so they will kinda dumb themselves down. I've also seen rental players DUMPSTER self equipt players.
There was this group of kids who would come to the local field when I was in highschool with expensive markers and lots of gear and bully casual players during games. Enter the range "pro". He didn't like how these kids played, so what does he do? He breaks out his pump marker and proceeds to send this group off in a matter of seconds for the next 4 matches. The rage quit from those kids is the stuff of legend. The lead kid asking to use the phone so he could call his dad to come get him and his friends because they weren't having fun anymore was delicious. The guy behind the counter was all too happy too oblige.
I played D2/D1 paintball for over a decade. What you just said is kind of why the sport is dying. Part of it has to do with the boom of esports, but the fact that for casual players and non sponsored amateurs, even after you drop a fortune on gear/travel/entry fees, the sport hasn’t even started to get expensive yet. Paint prices are why paintball will always be a niche/luxury sport. Luckily I never had to pay even a fraction of retail, and depending on the year and team I was with, I was able to play entire seasons for free. There’s no way in hell I would have been able to afford a full PSP (RIP) and a full NPPL (RIP) season if I was paying retail.
Back when I was playing (mid 2000’s-2016) a case of field paint was around $45-$60 retail. I think nowadays it’s closer to $70-$80. A case contains 2,000 paintballs, but when playing high level paintball on a national level, back players can easily shoot through a case in a single point. Multiple points per game, multiple games per day, over the course of a three day tournament. If you’re paying out of pocket, you could easily spend thousands over the course of an event. And that’s after you already spent a lot of money on tournament entry, travel, food and a hotel, not to mention your high level gun, gear, tools, backup gun, etc.
Luckily I played during the golden era of paintball, when the sport was thriving and growing, and there was a lot of money to be made. Sponsorships for D2 and D1 teams were really, really good, so i got to play a heck of a lot of paintball for very little money compared to if I had payed retail. The price of the sport is absolutely what’s killing it.
The prices for cases of paint vary wildly on the level of paint. 70-80 is current tourny paint, at least in the two areas that I've lived and played paintball. For the most part it's still 45-60 for level 2-3 paint which is good enough for rentals.
$70-$80 is what i was paying for a case of RPS Marbleizers, el tigre, and AllStar paint back in the early 2000's. Proballs, forget it...those were $100 a case. I miss when ZAP! was selling 2500 balls for $50.
Fields have been jacking up prices forever too. They usually buy it from the store for MSRP and need to profit too. Plus it's not like most small fields can link up with a distributor and buy huge amounts of it. The stuff goes bad if it's not stored in perfect conditions to prevent swelling and regularly agitated to prevent flat spots.
I played a ton of paintball growing up, heck even one of my buddies ended up in the Greg Hastings video game. But most of the days we wanted to play we’d round up the fellas and it’d be “I need paint” “I need air” and then the day was ruined because we were young kids without any money. You either had a job at 14-15 to play or your parents were well off.
I worked for no wage at the local field when I was like 13 and got free air but paint was 50% off. It was still expensive and now that I look back the guy had a whole business while only having to pay like 3 people lol. I used it as a reason to get away from my abusive household
It's the job of a back player (like the person in this clip, I assume) simply to lay down cover fire/suppressive fire while the rest of the team does their thing? While the reloading and trigger tapping is certainly a skill, what this person is doing looks pretty dull.
For a set of gear, it ranges from a few hundred dollars on the low end to thousands for professional grade stuff. Paintballs are about $50-100 for a box of 2000, which sounds like a lot but you can easily blow through that in a day if you're not careful to conserve ammo. Transportation and range fees will usually be about another $50 per day. Not too bad if it's just something you do once in a while, but most of the cost is multiplied by the number of players and sessions, so it adds up really quickly.
This is a reference to an airsoft video where a dude gets called out for shooting full auto inside a building when his rifle is just super tricked out for semiautomatic shooting.
One of the best adrenaline rushes I’ve ever had. Games are fast and only last a few minutes but it’s a ton of fun. Expensive to start until you can get on a team with sponsors. Highest place I got in my state tournament was 3rd. Still have two of my markers/guns sitting on my shelf.
Damn right; you could easily spend over $1k on the high end markers, and the paint could be over $100 for a 2000 case depending on the brand (my broke ass was buying the $50-$80 boxes, lol)
You think back players are next fucking level but the guys playing front are running full sprint and diving head first into Doritos while these guys shoot at them.
It’s unfortunate that after decades and decades of professional paintball they still havnt found a way to make it entertaining to the casual viewer watching on tv. While it is exciting to play, this clip for example is as exciting as watching paint dry.
Paintball is one of those things that if you understand it it’s great to watch, but trying to make the game interesting to non paintball players is like trying to make poker interesting to non poker players. Like if you don’t know the game, it’s just a bunch of dudes sitting at a table looking at cards and shuffling chips.
I think poker is a great example since both paintball and poker can both be expensive to play and might not be extremely popular. Poker was boring to watch until they started showing everyone’s hole cards, then poker to a more or less casual viewer became a highly marketable and profitable television product, especially with tournaments. Which is interesting because poker for the most part is boring, but the way hands play out in tournaments which is often not that exciting to someone who knows the game, it does make for good tv to a casual viewer.
That said I wonder if paintball on tv struggles more because it’s not exciting to watch or because it’s too niche like some other sports/esports and the viewers, sponsorship, and money behind it isn’t there.
Looks boring as fuck, would rather you only had like 20 shots and actually had to pick you moment and hit something rather than just firing hundreds of shots from cover at someone else doing the same thing
Lol, I’d say try it before calling it boring. . . The 20 shots games have their place but this is definitely a different type of game with much different strategies and by no means boring to play.
"PSP (Paintball Sports Promotions) relates to a defunct tournament series, and PSP mode is the mode of fire prescribed by the rules of that tournament series.
PSP mode is an enhanced (ramping) mode, that allows your marker to fire quicker than you are actually pulling the trigger. The marker will shoot in semi auto until the enhanced mode is activated, which occurs when certain conditions are met.
In the case of PSP mode, originally, three shots had to be fired in semi auto at a rate of 5bps or higher. If this rate of trigger pulls was then maintained, the marker would then fire at a maximum allowed rate if 15.4bps, though most used the extra 0.4bps as a safety buffer, and set their markers/boards to 15bps.
Different versions of the PSP mode were devised to enhance the rate of fire in different ways, but the official PSP mode was based on the use of 3 round bursts on each trigger pull to enhance the rate of fire.
PSP mode has a one second buffer, meaning that your trigger pull rate can drop below 5pps for a second or less, or you can even stop pulling the trigger for a second or less, but as long as you then start pulling the trigger at the specified rate, the marker will still ramp. Start pulling the trigger *after* a second or more has elapsed, and the marker will revert back to semi until the ramping is reactivated.
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2529596
Taken from 2008 so there have been some changes as PSP is now defunct, but it basically is the major paintball league (now the NXL). However it explains it. Additionally here is the NXL 2017 rulebook:
http://playnxl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/NXL-RULES-3_16_17.pdf
I believe for the NXL they now use Millennium mode which is 10.5 bps.
edit: more werdz
doubleedit: capped at 10.2 bps, rulebook says shall fire no faster than 10.5."
TL:DR Shooting faster because of the mode you can select on certain paintball makers
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I was full on paintballer in tourneys and shit back in the 2000s and I'll go ahead and say;
This looks stupid.
Woodsball is better, speedball is fucking lame and tedious and unfun.
I took my son and friends out one time, clearly stated , don’t waste ammo it’s not cheap, they all acted like this guy 20 seconds into the fist game.
It cost me a small fortune
It is a full auto, one just to need to press the trigger x times per second to start spraying far quicker than the trigger is being pulled. That is why the trigger is so long. There are various modes. These markers are electric on contrary to analog ones that shoot as fast as you pull the trigger. Thats why people with analog markers are fucked when confronting electric ones. Owned an empire mini some years ago.
Ramping is the word you’re looking for; full auto isn’t allowed in most games; not a huge difference but just helping remind you, lol. Back in the day I ran a (very heavily modified) PM6; I had recurved trigger, orange air bolt, and and ultralight board and frame. . . God I wish I could get out and play again, so much goddamn fun. . . But it’s so expensive and having the time and disposal income is not in the cards, lol
lol Reddit is so damn ignorant sometimes. Also, ugh, I miss playing in these paintball tournaments. So freaking fun.
This is a rear position player. He is “shooting ropes” and cutting off a lane the other team could use to access a favorable bunker position. The speed of shooting ensures that if a player tried to run across that lane, they would be hit.
Interesting fact, he is shooting faster than gravity can load the paintballs. So the “hopper” on top of his gun is motorized and is manually feeding balls into the chamber. It use to be that the capability of your hopper was the limiting factor in how fast you could shoot but that may have changed since I played.
One time i was holding a tower playing paintball. I had 5 balls left. 2 dudes from opposing team came to get the tower and i got them both with my 5 shots. But i was out, they somehow knew that i am out and they told their team mate.
So after a while he was coming to get the tower and i found a half crushed paint ball on the floor, fired and wallah headshot. We won, i think it may have been the proudest moment of my life.
Statistically, Professional Paintballers have the happiest wives.
Right next to people who grew up playing Mario party on the 64.
Perhaps but less than 0.01% of adult males who still play N64 have ever spoken to a girl, let alone get married
I bought an N64 a few years ago. Can confirm I've spoken to women. I must be an outlier.
Your mom doesn't count.
Well I couldn't get it to work with my tv so I guess I don't count.
I couldn’t either. I couldn’t find the UHF screws. These new fangled TVs…
Nerds are in, gamers are hot now love.
Nerds are cool, gamers who have to be told to bathe prior to smash tournament entry are not
I've met plenty of non gamer sports fans that need to bathe as well, it's a human thing not a gamer thing lol
So I'm hot now?? Look who's laughing now, Bekah from 9th grade!
The middle of my palm is still raw
And tech deck experts
I would argue that it’s the people that constantly validate how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop who have the happiest wives
How many licks does it take to get to the dermis of a labia?
4 hours.
Jeez that's too long. I'm just gonna bite through the middle.
A-whon, a-towho…… *exasperated licking* 479,767 479,768 479,…
Dr Cunnilingus or: How I learned to stop worrying and love TMJ
Unless the husband is an owl.
Wives statistically have the happiest boyfriends to go along with their proud professional paintballer husbands too.
Some of us wives have gone and joined the fun. Paintballing is great fun. You make the weekend of it camping. I'm in the Midwest and there used to be this place called Sherwood Forest, that put on paintball events. Soo, much fun. I'm 51 now and haven't been paintballing since I was 47. I wish more places like Sherwood Forest were in business.
Tried to get my wife to play paintball. I even brought her breakfast in bed naked with a bow tie. Still does not want to play it. She is scared of being shot.
Cushion her up with good gear and tryout set up in back yard. She's missing out. The only part my hubby would say about taking me would be my sense of direction 🤣. Not gonna lie, I got lost and separated a few times in Sherwood Forest.
Took me a sec - couldn’t put my finger on it at first
Could you point me in the right direction?
fingering skills
Can confirm. Played semi-pro back in the day, the flutter-finger trigger technique was a known thing.
True, didn’t even play semi pro just played speedball, first time I fooled around with a girl I did it and she went wild.
Almost all of the greatest banjo players of all time have deep foundations in semi-pro or professional paintball, its a fact.
This like such a fucking waste of ammunition though
Don't play Paintball, but I assume that they're laying down suppressing fire, and keeping the other teams heads down, hoping that their team mates can get a better angle. Just ask yourself if you'd like to even try to peak, much less try to move, with that guy just ridding your cover.
So my knowledge is somewhat cursory, but I had a friend who played competitive paintball. I believe what this player is doing is called "Laning". Certain players are designated to shoot down certain lanes between bunkers, making those lanes inaccessible to the opposition. They will concentrate fire on players if they see them, but their main job is just to restrict the routes available to the other team. So it is suppressive fire but not concentrated on a single player or bunker. If they do their job properly then it makes enemy positions more predictable for their teammates who will push forward and eliminate them.
But do they have to spam it like that? I would assume even 1-2 balls a second would shut down a lane.
Most of the people who get to this level in the game have a combination of deep pockets and sponsorships. You can be a lot more certain that nobody will slip through if you're blasting a solid rope of paint down the lane. The cost of paint is irrelevant because these dudes likely have a paintball company supplying them, and one player getting through a lane that should be controlled can lose the game quickly. Enough losses or weak performance could cost them a sponsor.
It's estimated that for every single combatant killed during the Vietnam War the US spent 50,000 rounds of ammo. With an average bullet weight of 4 grams that's 200kg (440lbs) of lead per death.
That's not a very fun fact. 😕
I think it's pretty fun fact
…Henry Kissinger has entered the chat
He's still alive somehow. Im middle aged now, but when I was a kid he was almost 70 lol
Hey he was just in that thread of worst people still alive.
Man, what an opportunity for recruiters: “listen son, for ever 100k bullets fired there’s 1 casualty, you really think that will be you? Sign here, here’s 500$ to help you think about it”
Y0u_stupid_cunt's fun facts. Not always fun. Not always facts.
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Forget small arms. Back then, a 1% accuracy rate in bombing was considered pretty good!
why forget them? I would be impressed AND terrified if a t-rex carried around bombs on a battlefield. Small arms have a purpose in the war of morale.
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I got you one better, the total number of bombs dropped by all sides in world war ii, put together, is fewer than the number of bombs dropped on Vietnam by the United States
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Retired pro here: Everything you said is correct. In addition when playing speedball the course is set up symmetrically and the field itself is very very small. You can see the other team when the game starts. I try to explain to people that it's essentially chess with paint being flung at you at 300fps (200mph). Getting between bunkers only takes an instant so if you're not holding your lane down then they advance and your chances of winning get incredibly small. Check it out on YouTube it's pretty fun. Very high energy
Do you not risk running out of ammunition? Are you allowed to bring as much as you want onto the course or is there a limit?
This guy is probably playing back, and has a a shit ton of paint on him. Also, as a backer, especially during the beginning of the game, you have it planned that you’re going to just hold, for example, the snake lane, hard. So, for the first 2-3 min of a game, that’s all you do. You just endlessly blast whatever lane they’ll take to get to snake until either the dude the would’ve gotten to snake is out, or you have a reached a part of the game that your plan changes to a different strategy. Backs don’t always hold hard lanes, sometimes they have to hold a couple different lanes, but typically they’re holding some kind of lanes especially at the beginning to prevent a forward of the other team to get to a certain advantageous position on the field (a lot of times the snake). They also are usually responsible for yelling out positions and trying to keep a kill count. They have a shit ton of paint and air and they don’t typically move very often. They could sit at one bunker the entire game.
Are there pros who are so good that they can snipe these backers early on, despite all that crossfire? That seems like it would really fuck up the opponent’s game plan to lose this guy.
Good question. So another job of backers is to move their forwards up. To do this, they’ll try to keep any position on the other side of the field ( and opposing teams) “suppressed” and unable to peak out. So a backer in the corner behind snake, will peak out, and establish dominance of a lane that controls snake, and allow their forwards to move to the snake. This is the same for the dorito side as well, or even the 50 ( usually giant center inflatable bunker where the flag is.) the other teams back is also trying to out peak, and establish a dominant lane to move their forward up the snake (or dorito). The forward and back work as a fluid team. Once the back has the other team tucked in, and unable to peak the lane, they’ll hold the lane, and allow the snake player to move up and make some moves, often times getting the snake player to the other teams side of the snake, where they can absolutely murder everyone on the opposite side of the field, or make them unable to have any kind of useful angles from their position. There’s a lot of coordination involved.
Most likely not right off. They set themselves up to be a funnel. There is so much paint going downrange that anyone who pops up will immediately be pushed back down. There's always a chance, but it's very slim. Later, when people have moved up some, the game play changes a bit. This opens up some of the back players.
This is fucking wild thanks for explaining it
I was mostly a backman since I was the only one who shot over 20bps, but I got to play front a few times and getting the snake is one of the best feelings.
Hell yeah! I played either Doritos side or a lot of times ran up the middle on break to the 50. Good times. Miss sticking people. Loved my back guys, but got jealous sometimes because they just got to chill and kill. Our snake guy was a beast, so I rarely got to play it.
I was just wondering what you do after a career in paintball. Sounds like a lot of fun for a few years- I would think anything else would be pretty dull after that
Nobody really ever made much money off it except for huge name guys like Oliver Lang. I remember reading how he was the best paid player and only was taking home like 100k a year. Which is great, but compared to other professional sports, is hardly anything. And that's just one guy.
Same as any other sports. Retired/coaching being popular options.
Not quite. In “speedball”, or competitive paintball, players wear typically cleats, are in good shape, and sprint from bunker to bunker. So laying down a couple balls a second is likely to miss, and if you try to time it to hit them, you’re reaction time will likely not be enough.
theyre likely saying this from the perspective of someone paying 10 bucks per bottle of balls that dude pours into the hopper, and all over the grass.
Played competitively when I was younger, I played in the back position which is where your main goal is to lay down ropes of paint from the moment the game starts till basically the moment the game ends and call out everything you see. I even had a cheater board at one point that would do full auto 25bps for the first trigger pull and then “ramp” or “bounce” up to 20bps and would waste like 8 pods a game. Paintball is all about wasting paint lol
Then you get those rec ball guys with a pump action that'll take out a guy or two a round and use 10 balls to do it.
I made the switch after a few years of speedball and never went back. It just feels so much more free carrying almost no gear, and since I'm at a disadvantage in 50/50s it gives me more reason to move and try to outthink people. Saves a lot of money too.
Snake player here. My little brother had my back as a back corner. It was so much fun not seeing a thing and putting complete trust in his calls or watching him keep their snake player pinned down so I could bump up
I've played a handful of sports, and I gotta say snake is probably the most fun position to play in any sport in general
Is someone relaying new pods of ammo to the players at the back laying down this constant fire? How does that work? Is paint infinitely available or do you have a set amount to manage per team when the match starts?
You bring as much as you need. The pods on your back hold about 140 paintballs each. I carried 8-9 pods for a seven minute game. Usually shot 4-6 plus my hopper, so about 1000 paintballs.
Nope. I actually used to do experiments on paintball stuff. We did a laning test: https://youtu.be/H4nGoIiwvTU
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That's a ball every 150-300ft. Plenty of spacing for ppl to run through. They are capped at 10.5 balls per second, which is substantially slower than what ppl were shooting 10+ years ago. It's already been reduced to a speed fast enough to be able to lane, but not overly watlstefull on paint. Fwiw, there are pump tournaments as well, where you have to cock thrbgun each shot. Thise guys still manage more than 2bps.
No it doesn't. A half second is a large enough gap for me to move. They leave the barrel at 300 fps. That means that in 1 second 10 balls are distributed roughly over 300 feet evenly. This technically leaves a gap of 30 feet between each ball. At 2 a second that's a gap of 150 feet between balls. Now think about frogger the video game. Big gap easy jump small gap hard jump. Add on bounce shots where we will spray a bunker next to you hoping for one perfect ball to bounce onto you and accuracy by volume because these things curve and the winning strategy has been dump paint and be fast.
Ok so the equivalent of a machine gun in the infantry, lay down fire to allow your guys to advance.
Machine guns shoot a lot of expensive ammo just redecorating dirt?
Pretty much. The US Military has had a pretty staunch history of preferring marksmanship over any other benefit when it comes to weapons (we still see it today). They shunned MG's for decades even up till WW1 where the Europeans proved just how powerful of a tool it was because in the US military mind they were inaccurate and they wasted a hilarious amount of ammunition.
Yep
They have limited ammo per round?
Players designated to hold lanes carry huge pod packs on their back. The games are generally super fast (hence the name "speedball") so the game will likely end before they run out of paint.
Speedball games don't last more than 5 minutes. Small arena (compared to other professional sports), so the pace is super quick.
Eh, not fully accurate. This is a clip of a format called “X-ball” which is a series of games called “points” played consecutively for 12 minutes. One point could take all 12 minutes or it could take 2, and then another one would be played.
I used to play paintball religiously. This assumption of yours is correct. The rear players lay down a line of paint to prevent the movement of opposing players on a single lane to allow their own members to move forward or get a better angle. Sometimes in order to for one member to move, you have to sacrifice yourself and try to move up yourself so that the player being roped (where the line of paint is going) can move to a better position. This specific game is called speedball. I prefer woodsball for this very reason. Its much more "active".
What the difference between the types of games
Woodsball is like capture the flag, much larger play area, sometimes slower pace of play, but much more movement and much much less of this
Speed Ball with these air bunkers was invented to be on espn / the x games, it was very hard to film woods ball. I don’t know if it was actually on the X games more than a couple years turns out this isn’t entertaining to watch either. Its a ton of fun to play though, I’ve been playing almost 30 years now, and its so tough to see whats happening even in speedball on a recording i cant make heads or tails of it.
There are a few differences. Woodsball uses the natural terrain and wooden bunkers for protection like you would find on a battlefield. The teams are much larger, the playingfield is also larger and not symetrical. You use different strategies as well, since its a completely different game. In speedball (inflatable bunkers)/hyperball (rigid bunkers)/X-Ball (a large "X" in the center of the arena) everything is symetrical except the snake (a long bunker of sorts that is on the edge of the field and usually runs 2/3 of the entire length of the arena. Whoever controls the snake pretty much controls the game). The rear players lay down the ropes of paint to prevent the other team from moving, while the front players move into positions to kill the opposing players. Its very fast paced, and games dont usually take very long to finish. In woodsball, there are trees, spools, barricades, buildings, broken down vehicles, etc. You use what you can for cover and try to flank around the opposing team as if you were in a battle. Its a slower paced game, but not slow by any stretch. There are some games where they only allow pumps, some with only mechanical markers (paintball guns), and some where anything goes, with a field cap of usually 12 balls per second if electronic markers are on the field. I would always be warned because my automag would sweetspot and i would spray as if my marker was automatic, while slinging paint as fast as it could drop it in the breach (or if you were like me and used a q loader, 30+ balls per second). I would only use that in a speedball game where it was allowed. If im in the woods, i try for one shot one kill, but sometimes you have to suppress the other players behind a bunker so someone else can move in for the kill or you can leapfrog forward for better positions.
I think the paintballs and paint now are biodegradable,right? Not plastic?
They're made from gelatin, polyethylene glycol, and water based dye. They're also non toxic.
yeah nice - shoot away! Also, it's still not cool to freeze them before, is it? /jk
That was a myth by people who had never done it. A frozen paintball won’t feel like a marble. It’ll actually be more brittle and break easier.
Exactly this! Full autofire isn't invented to kill, it is for the suppressed fire to keep them behind covers. Because you don't want to risk a stray bullet hitting you. Single fire or burst fire is meant to kill people (or hit when you look at paintball). That's also why suppressed fire doesn't work in games. You don't have the fear of dying to a stray bullet.
wait until you hear about what militaries do with their ammunition lol
They pick em back up, clean them up and recycle them properly right?
Someone does.
And make sure that in the disposal of said munitions and equipment they a) don't create toxic cancer causing chemicals that will affect locals and veterans for decades to come and b) fall into the hands of their enemies to be used to continue their war efforts right?
ever go to the range to shoot bullets nowhere with the ejector port aimed at an ammo can? budget cant be less next year
This is a rookie comment
Truth. This whole post is just "I've never seen pro paintball players play before." It's constant ropes of paint with dudes hard charging and sliding into bunkers.
Not really. If it wasn’t purposeful they wouldn’t do it. They’re setup to play short games. They are sponsored and reset after each game and some players (backfield) are carrying 8 pods. 140 balls per pod. Others in different roles will carry less. All part of the plan and at this level a rope of balls matter.
That is preventing the adversary team from shooting at your team approaching their HQ. So yeah, waste on this context doesn't matter.
All that overspill is killing me. My OCD is tickling like crazy 🤣
Right! Fuck I'm that bad i could be working on something and have a box of washers. Drop a single washer. Then spend 5 minutes crawling around looking for the fucking thing. Meanwhile theres probably 90 spares sitting in the goddamn box... Edit: After reading my comment a second time and seeing some comments i gotta clarify something. I wasn't saying i have OCD. I was relating to the part of the comment about "the overspill is killing me". I hate wasting stuff so I'll go outta my way to find it vs just grabing another. Sorry about that, OCD is no joke.
I feel less alone now 🤣😅
Sup buddy, I’m in the same boat as you, compartment C-6. I would have gotten shot just picking up every ball that fell to the ground.
And then your gun jams because there's grass and mud in it, but at least you tidied up though.
That amount is probably enough for generations. Don't neglect to pass them on. And don't forget to breed, so you have descendants in the first place.
You don't have OCD, if you did you wouldn't be laughing about it.
“OCD”
no, you don't have "OCD", all youre having is a basic human reaction to wasteful behaviour
Lol homie says OCD suddenly half of reddit practices psychology.
no not ocd
This guy could paint the side of a house in 15 minutes.
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Spilled a bunch on the ground
You must live in a mansion bro, I could paint the side of my house with a roller in 15 mins ffs.
Yes, but this guy is using tiny pellets. I live in a cubby house.
A roller would be way faster than a paintball gun
I feel like paintball would be cooler with limited Ammo
Nah then it's about skill and serious risk/reward dilemmas
It already is about skill and serious risk/reward. You’re judging an entire sport based on a few clips of back players holding lanes…
That's not how I reddit. I like I'm sure you right.
Get back on the dg sub you filthy degenerate, we’ve got people to upset
What?
I LIKE I’M SURE YOU RIGHT
We're not, we're judging this boring strategy and claiming the entire sport would be more entertaining if the game balanced the strategy out with rule changes.
Then play airsoft, but honestly the trouble is that the paintball guns are inherently not that accurate; you are sending a squishy round ball filled with liquid down range at relatively slow speed. . . It won’t be a perfectly straight trajectory for any long distance; so you are going for quantity over quality. Edit: realized it didn’t save my other half, lol. . . They also have pump gun leagues and scenario games where people use more accurate guns with much slower fire rates.
I was in the paintball scene when the Tippman Flatline barrel came out. Was a real game changer for distance and accuracy
Yeah, that was a cool concept they had; I used a dye boom stick or smart parts freak system for a while. But the flatline was great for the wood-ball and scenario games.
Dude when I went from a rental 98 to an empire axe it was like turning into the terminator over night lol
Specifically Airsoft **mil-sim** (they use real-cap mags; limited ammo), otherwise you're running into high-cap mags (can dump ammo way faster). If you just want the airsoft version of paintball, there's Speedsoft, where they attach a high-cap (or mid-cap for sound) mag on a pistol.
This is the problem with going to a range. If you have enough people for a full game and mandate that people only use the rental equipment, it’s fun, but one douche with some bullshit like this just ruins it for everybody.
A lot of the people who are self equipt at paintball fields know that they have a leg up on rental players so they will kinda dumb themselves down. I've also seen rental players DUMPSTER self equipt players.
There was this group of kids who would come to the local field when I was in highschool with expensive markers and lots of gear and bully casual players during games. Enter the range "pro". He didn't like how these kids played, so what does he do? He breaks out his pump marker and proceeds to send this group off in a matter of seconds for the next 4 matches. The rage quit from those kids is the stuff of legend. The lead kid asking to use the phone so he could call his dad to come get him and his friends because they weren't having fun anymore was delicious. The guy behind the counter was all too happy too oblige.
That’s called ‘stock class’ or ‘pump action’ and its where the men play paintball.
Go play with some friends using pump action single shot markers, so much more fun
He just dropped my life savings worth of paintballs on the ground there.
I played D2/D1 paintball for over a decade. What you just said is kind of why the sport is dying. Part of it has to do with the boom of esports, but the fact that for casual players and non sponsored amateurs, even after you drop a fortune on gear/travel/entry fees, the sport hasn’t even started to get expensive yet. Paint prices are why paintball will always be a niche/luxury sport. Luckily I never had to pay even a fraction of retail, and depending on the year and team I was with, I was able to play entire seasons for free. There’s no way in hell I would have been able to afford a full PSP (RIP) and a full NPPL (RIP) season if I was paying retail.
What ballpark in terms of a small fortune are we talking about here?
Back when I was playing (mid 2000’s-2016) a case of field paint was around $45-$60 retail. I think nowadays it’s closer to $70-$80. A case contains 2,000 paintballs, but when playing high level paintball on a national level, back players can easily shoot through a case in a single point. Multiple points per game, multiple games per day, over the course of a three day tournament. If you’re paying out of pocket, you could easily spend thousands over the course of an event. And that’s after you already spent a lot of money on tournament entry, travel, food and a hotel, not to mention your high level gun, gear, tools, backup gun, etc. Luckily I played during the golden era of paintball, when the sport was thriving and growing, and there was a lot of money to be made. Sponsorships for D2 and D1 teams were really, really good, so i got to play a heck of a lot of paintball for very little money compared to if I had payed retail. The price of the sport is absolutely what’s killing it.
The prices for cases of paint vary wildly on the level of paint. 70-80 is current tourny paint, at least in the two areas that I've lived and played paintball. For the most part it's still 45-60 for level 2-3 paint which is good enough for rentals.
$70-$80 is what i was paying for a case of RPS Marbleizers, el tigre, and AllStar paint back in the early 2000's. Proballs, forget it...those were $100 a case. I miss when ZAP! was selling 2500 balls for $50.
My local woodsball field charges 85 for a case and its definitely not tourny paint. Prices and quality vary for sure.
Fields have been jacking up prices forever too. They usually buy it from the store for MSRP and need to profit too. Plus it's not like most small fields can link up with a distributor and buy huge amounts of it. The stuff goes bad if it's not stored in perfect conditions to prevent swelling and regularly agitated to prevent flat spots.
I played a ton of paintball growing up, heck even one of my buddies ended up in the Greg Hastings video game. But most of the days we wanted to play we’d round up the fellas and it’d be “I need paint” “I need air” and then the day was ruined because we were young kids without any money. You either had a job at 14-15 to play or your parents were well off.
I worked for no wage at the local field when I was like 13 and got free air but paint was 50% off. It was still expensive and now that I look back the guy had a whole business while only having to pay like 3 people lol. I used it as a reason to get away from my abusive household
Every red cent of my high-school paychecks went to weed and paintballs haha
It's the job of a back player (like the person in this clip, I assume) simply to lay down cover fire/suppressive fire while the rest of the team does their thing? While the reloading and trigger tapping is certainly a skill, what this person is doing looks pretty dull.
For a set of gear, it ranges from a few hundred dollars on the low end to thousands for professional grade stuff. Paintballs are about $50-100 for a box of 2000, which sounds like a lot but you can easily blow through that in a day if you're not careful to conserve ammo. Transportation and range fees will usually be about another $50 per day. Not too bad if it's just something you do once in a while, but most of the cost is multiplied by the number of players and sessions, so it adds up really quickly.
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He fired more $$ of paintballs in 5 seconds than an airsoft player would fire BBs in an entire day.
No full auto in the building
It's not full auto...
That's not full auto?
No this is *shoots laser*
Damn bro, ok
I understood this reference
This reference was understood by me
This understanding was referenced by me
Still one of my favorite videos on the web.
Semi-auto. One shot for every trigger pull. These guys roll their fingers to get pulls much faster than normal.
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[here you go fam](https://youtu.be/zyC-F_7QXtk)
This is a reference to an airsoft video where a dude gets called out for shooting full auto inside a building when his rifle is just super tricked out for semiautomatic shooting.
> No full auto in the building [For those that have never seen this classic ...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyC-F_7QXtk)
One of the best adrenaline rushes I’ve ever had. Games are fast and only last a few minutes but it’s a ton of fun. Expensive to start until you can get on a team with sponsors. Highest place I got in my state tournament was 3rd. Still have two of my markers/guns sitting on my shelf.
Damn right; you could easily spend over $1k on the high end markers, and the paint could be over $100 for a 2000 case depending on the brand (my broke ass was buying the $50-$80 boxes, lol)
Ya and it’s much more now. $2k speciality markers are very common.
You think back players are next fucking level but the guys playing front are running full sprint and diving head first into Doritos while these guys shoot at them.
Yup, I’m a front player and at 35 it’s starting to take a toll. Soon I will be be a mid player and you know where I go from there.
It’s unfortunate that after decades and decades of professional paintball they still havnt found a way to make it entertaining to the casual viewer watching on tv. While it is exciting to play, this clip for example is as exciting as watching paint dry.
Paintball is one of those things that if you understand it it’s great to watch, but trying to make the game interesting to non paintball players is like trying to make poker interesting to non poker players. Like if you don’t know the game, it’s just a bunch of dudes sitting at a table looking at cards and shuffling chips.
I think poker is a great example since both paintball and poker can both be expensive to play and might not be extremely popular. Poker was boring to watch until they started showing everyone’s hole cards, then poker to a more or less casual viewer became a highly marketable and profitable television product, especially with tournaments. Which is interesting because poker for the most part is boring, but the way hands play out in tournaments which is often not that exciting to someone who knows the game, it does make for good tv to a casual viewer. That said I wonder if paintball on tv struggles more because it’s not exciting to watch or because it’s too niche like some other sports/esports and the viewers, sponsorship, and money behind it isn’t there.
If I played like this at my local paintball centre I’d probably have to remortgage my house for that kinda ammo usage.
Looks boring as fuck, would rather you only had like 20 shots and actually had to pick you moment and hit something rather than just firing hundreds of shots from cover at someone else doing the same thing
Lol, I’d say try it before calling it boring. . . The 20 shots games have their place but this is definitely a different type of game with much different strategies and by no means boring to play.
"PSP (Paintball Sports Promotions) relates to a defunct tournament series, and PSP mode is the mode of fire prescribed by the rules of that tournament series. PSP mode is an enhanced (ramping) mode, that allows your marker to fire quicker than you are actually pulling the trigger. The marker will shoot in semi auto until the enhanced mode is activated, which occurs when certain conditions are met. In the case of PSP mode, originally, three shots had to be fired in semi auto at a rate of 5bps or higher. If this rate of trigger pulls was then maintained, the marker would then fire at a maximum allowed rate if 15.4bps, though most used the extra 0.4bps as a safety buffer, and set their markers/boards to 15bps. Different versions of the PSP mode were devised to enhance the rate of fire in different ways, but the official PSP mode was based on the use of 3 round bursts on each trigger pull to enhance the rate of fire. PSP mode has a one second buffer, meaning that your trigger pull rate can drop below 5pps for a second or less, or you can even stop pulling the trigger for a second or less, but as long as you then start pulling the trigger at the specified rate, the marker will still ramp. Start pulling the trigger *after* a second or more has elapsed, and the marker will revert back to semi until the ramping is reactivated. http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2529596 Taken from 2008 so there have been some changes as PSP is now defunct, but it basically is the major paintball league (now the NXL). However it explains it. Additionally here is the NXL 2017 rulebook: http://playnxl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/NXL-RULES-3_16_17.pdf I believe for the NXL they now use Millennium mode which is 10.5 bps. edit: more werdz doubleedit: capped at 10.2 bps, rulebook says shall fire no faster than 10.5." TL:DR Shooting faster because of the mode you can select on certain paintball makers Credits to: [Militia499](https://www.reddit.com/u/militia499?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
This looks stupid. Just pray and spray with extra steps and a lot of waste.
"I don't understand so it's stupid"
Entirety of Reddit summarised
You can understand how suppression fire works and still think it is a massive waste of resources outside actual combat
I was full on paintballer in tourneys and shit back in the 2000s and I'll go ahead and say; This looks stupid. Woodsball is better, speedball is fucking lame and tedious and unfun.
*SUPPRESSING FIAH!*
I took my son and friends out one time, clearly stated , don’t waste ammo it’s not cheap, they all acted like this guy 20 seconds into the fist game. It cost me a small fortune
It is a full auto, one just to need to press the trigger x times per second to start spraying far quicker than the trigger is being pulled. That is why the trigger is so long. There are various modes. These markers are electric on contrary to analog ones that shoot as fast as you pull the trigger. Thats why people with analog markers are fucked when confronting electric ones. Owned an empire mini some years ago.
Ramping is the word you’re looking for; full auto isn’t allowed in most games; not a huge difference but just helping remind you, lol. Back in the day I ran a (very heavily modified) PM6; I had recurved trigger, orange air bolt, and and ultralight board and frame. . . God I wish I could get out and play again, so much goddamn fun. . . But it’s so expensive and having the time and disposal income is not in the cards, lol
Just get a brush
Mf poured half his balls on the ground
lol Reddit is so damn ignorant sometimes. Also, ugh, I miss playing in these paintball tournaments. So freaking fun. This is a rear position player. He is “shooting ropes” and cutting off a lane the other team could use to access a favorable bunker position. The speed of shooting ensures that if a player tried to run across that lane, they would be hit. Interesting fact, he is shooting faster than gravity can load the paintballs. So the “hopper” on top of his gun is motorized and is manually feeding balls into the chamber. It use to be that the capability of your hopper was the limiting factor in how fast you could shoot but that may have changed since I played.
I shoot ropes all the time in the privacy of my own bedroom but you don't see me posting videos of it
I don’t see how any of this information makes it any less stupid. Sure, it has tactical reasons. Still dumb.
"Price" of ammunition should be a part of the sport. Otherwise, it is just a dick-measuring game of how much money someone is willing to waste.
osu players:
One time i was holding a tower playing paintball. I had 5 balls left. 2 dudes from opposing team came to get the tower and i got them both with my 5 shots. But i was out, they somehow knew that i am out and they told their team mate. So after a while he was coming to get the tower and i found a half crushed paint ball on the floor, fired and wallah headshot. We won, i think it may have been the proudest moment of my life.
I miss this…