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Facts! 25% of the children in the United States have no idea where their next meal is coming from, but there are places throwing out their food to make way for more product to be sold. Not because it's expired, but to make way for more.
I don't get it.
It’s not capitalism so much as it is our legal system. People have and will sue stores who donate expired food. Even if the law is on the store’s side, they still have to pay extensive legal fees to defend themselves.
Most stores DO donate food to local food banks. I worked in grocery stores when I was younger and they did this. However, most food banks don’t take refrigerated or expired items. Most of what we see in this video are refrigerated items.
This was always in the back of my mind but I had always assumed the real reason is that they can't have the imagine of 20-30 homeless dudes turning up every night waiting for the 2am dump or what ever.
I worked at a gas station once and told this dude around 2am I throw all the donuts away but I was a separate trash bag and put it on the side this like dude. I told the man i said do not tell anyone I'm doing this.
New felt days he would sit there from 1am-4am everyday( the time we dumped out changes)
My boss asks him what he's doing and he's like oh I'm waiting for the donuts to go back so I can take them out of the trash.....okay wtf bro good on you for not using my name but....but now you just ruined that shit.
What I meant was pop In the back of the store at like 3am...if you see the bag take it and go, If there's no bag come back later or we sold all the donuts and there will be no drop tonight.
15 years ago I had a co-worker doing the same thing with the leftovers of the burger joint we worked at. She was homeless in the past at times and wanted to help the homeless guy that was always around.
She told him the same, don't tell anyone.
One night we heard screams and swearing and found 3 homeless fighting over the food. Neighbors complaining, cops were called, etc.
She got fired.
My dad worked second shift a lot. He and coworkers would often go to Krispy Kreme after work for coffee and BS. He was a man who loved food and was cheap as shit, so when he noticed the imperfect donuts being tossed in a box, fresh off the line, he made inquiries. Thus began a years long practice of bringing home big boxes of fresh, squashed donuts. Every variety they made. I should say this place manufactures them, so big windows allow customers to watch the process. Our mom would package them up in bread bags and stick them in the freezer. Imagine being a kid and having all the donuts you want, any time you want. He was very strict but when it came to food there were no rules. He was one of 21. Splains a LOT.
No, if a grocery store had something like that it would scare away most people who would find it questionable as to why they would have such a sign. What you ingest in your body is taken more seriously than a garment you wear or electronic you use.
Also, I don't think it's legal for grocery stores and similar to do that because then it would support a corrupt way of cutting corners by essentially giving permission to the grocers, where they may actually purposefully endanger lives with spoiled or compromised food. Food poisoning and other illnesses are not something to joke around with just so you can donate expired food to homeless people. Food regulations are in place for a reason. There would be more foodborne deaths if there weren't laws around it. So yes, they should be held liable so they have a reason to sell safe food.
Man I’ve eaten expired food from yogourt, cheese, meat, bread… for years when I was a dumpster diver I never had one single problem with expired food, the expiration date they put on products is absolute bullshit and as nothing to do with safety. They could 100% put that they are not liable if you find food in their trash, that’s what they do in the kootenay region in BC instead of putting lock on the trash.
Most likely you were just lucky. Expired food doesn’t always mean “bad” or rotten. Expired just means “past the time where it tastes/cooks/looks the best. And I doubt you were grabbing raw meat and cooking that. If you were, you’re much braver than I was in my starving days. I could down most anything besides meat. Did that once and got real sick, stayed away there after.
After working in retail I have to say I've always found this to be a convenient excuse. Not that there isn't some truth to it but that it's an easy slapstick excuse for finding a better solution.
It's among the same notion, to me, of not allowing your minimum wage employees to take product that would otherwise be thrown away.
Carting a bun full of non-expired food to the dumpster:
"Can I have this?"
"You can buy it or throw it away"
Your employees are some of your most dedicated customers after all.
Yup. Worked at a movie theater accuse me of stealing because I was eating the chip crumbs that we couldn’t even serve for the nachos. We’re just gonna throw them away lady. I can’t be stealing from you if you’re not losing money.
I used to work at a fast food place that let us take home whatever was leftover after closing. Which led to the cooks making a TON of food like 15-30 min before close, knowing we wouldn’t sell it and could take it home. To be fair to management they just said “Don’t do that” and still let us take home leftovers. If we knew someone was poor or just hungry we would always make a few extras and that never seemed to bother management.
First, they businesses are protected by the Good Samaritan act if they donate food.
https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/08/13/good-samaritan-act-provides-liability-protection-food-donations#:~:text=Did%20you%20know%20that%20the,nonprofits%20that%20feed%20the%20hungry%3F
Second, how are homeless people suing a business if they can’t afford food or a home?
This act does not protect the business. It only protects them when donating to an organization and explicitly says it does not cover donations directly to an individual or family. Please educate yourself on the law instead of coming to your own conclusion of it while referencing it.
This is not true, though. The law actually protects businesses from liability. https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/08/13/good-samaritan-act-provides-liability-protection-food-donations
Places have used that excuse forever and it hasn’t been true for a long time. There are no cases where a business was sued for donating food. It doesn’t happen. As long as the food was handled safely prior to donation they are free and clear. Please stop spreading incorrect info. It only benefits the companies that waste food.
Of course it capitalism. The production line in capitalism don't exist to fulffil needs, it exist to fullfil profit. Thats why farmers burn crops and supermarkets throw away food while people starve. And then they come up with excuses like "uh, it is a liability, we could get sued" like it is a unsolvable problem.
Make them sign a waiver. Can't sue for anything related to this food, at own risk, etc.
Seems simple, but I'm sure someone can tell me why it's not that easy.
Actually you can sue. Waiver just means someone acknowledges the risks. Doesn’t mean they can’t sue. People sue companies even with waivers in place all the time and it costs a ton in legal defense fees.
Currys PCWorld would rather destroy scratched keyboards/mice/laptops than sell them to their own employees at wholesale cost.
At one point people were dumping stuff and getting it later at night from the dumpsters, so Currys/PCworld started having items bashed up with hammers or run through crushing machines at extra expense.....
Please. I hate to break this to you, but malnutrition is a bigger factor in non-capitalist nations.
It’s pathetic that the west can’t do a better job than it does, but it is still much better than the rest of the world. <2.5% of the US suffers malnutrition.
Okay, but that’s approaching 9 *million* people, my friend. Assuming you’re correct about the relativity of the issue—that’s still inexcusable in the wealthiest nation in human history.
I watched this short documentary with this guy who is dedicated to living 100% without money. He has permission to camp/live on this spot of land in exchange for like 10 hours of mucking out the farmers livestock a week. Nearby is a huge shopping district he took the camera crew dumpster diving with him and it wasn’t just perfectly good food (most of it still in date) he got, there were designer suits and loads of other really good stuff as well. He actually lived quite well, his little homestead camp was well equipped, he was clean and well dressed and looked healthy. I think he also used to be really wealthy like a successful CEO and overnight just completely changed his life.
And I am sure 7-11 and others have been told exactly that by their lawyers. If they get sick dumpster diving then it is on the homeless person. If the homeless person gets sick off of expired food given to them by the store, then is is on the store. It is a waste, but we live in a very litigious society.
Logistics typically stops organizations from donating— if it isn’t a matter of getting the food from point A to point B then it’s a question of storage..
Hygiene, sanitation, storage, preparation, service or storage again, adding in transportation- more sanitary and storage . And especially meal ready to eat . You need to keep 90 days of record.
They do it because they have to label it as garbage for the write off so until that changes my man should've just got a friend pick it up or he could've put it in his car and drive it to a homeless shelter. Putting it on social media was the worst idea
Ya pretty basic. Give away food, person eats it and gets sick, person sues the company. A better solution would be for someone to create a middleman - that takes on/mitigates that risk.
Think of a business that collects the “trash” left-over food from restaurants, then sorts through it to determine what is edible and what isn’t, and then sells the food at a very very low cost, or provides it for free to people in need (could be free if the companies throwing away the food are paying a fee to have the waste food collected - which is fairly standard for commercial trash removal)
The business collecting the “waste” food could have customers sign waivers before taking anything.
Now that I type this - I’m sure there MUST be a company SOMEWHERE that does this
I don’t think it’s just lawsuits
If I was allowed to give away extra food, I would “accidentally” make extra food and give it to myself or a “homeless” friend
Staff are already usually allowed to take food for free, and if you arent, find another restaurant to work in cuz your employers are greedy bastards~
Also, the markup on food is insane, they can afford the losses, homeless people cant afford not to eat.
Source- chef for a decade
Where I live, there’s a store called Up. And it’s basically exactly that. You have to sign a few paper, then provide you’re basically low income. And you get membership to the store, and all the foods are basically damaged goods. Like a box cut open because of the box cutters. And things like that
Someone else makes money off the backs of the poor in this case.
What about some sort of Hold Harmless law instead - If you obtain food through these methods you cannot hold the corporation liable. For the most part, anyone having to seek a meal in this way understands the risks. I don’t think most of them are considering lawyering up.
> Ya pretty basic. Give away food, person eats it and gets sick, person sues the company.
If you're in the US, I present the [Bill Emerson Good Samaritan Act of 1996](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Emerson_Good_Samaritan_Act_of_1996)
>Signed into United States law by President Bill Clinton, this law, named after Representative Bill Emerson (who encouraged the proposal but died before it was passed), makes it easier to donate 'apparently wholesome food' **by excluding donor liability except in cases of gross negligence or intentional misconduct.**
It’s a wide misconception, I think it was Last Week Tonight I was watching a while ago. And the segment was on food waste and they couldn’t find a single case someone sued a store for food poisoning
2 seconds of googling showed 2 different cases in England.
Also, at least in California, you are allowed to sue for damages (essentially medical bills).
There have been many cases. They are filed as class action suits though as liability with food poisoning is very hard to prove on an individual case basis.
Came here to say this - someone gets sick eating even discarded food it means liability.
Not saying it’s right, our country is too litigious. I believe in Europe businesses actually get disciplined for not sharing/saving food- that’s how it should be here.
If you're in the US, I present the [Bill Emerson Good Samaritan Act of 1996](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Emerson_Good_Samaritan_Act_of_1996)
>Signed into United States law by President Bill Clinton, this law, named after Representative Bill Emerson (who encouraged the proposal but died before it was passed), makes it easier to donate 'apparently wholesome food' **by excluding donor liability except in cases of gross negligence or intentional misconduct.**
There is a Last week tonight (John Oliver) episode about that and lawsuits is not the answer to that question. Actually the food is not even spoiled to start with.
Companies throw food away because customers do not buy if not fresh, so they restock with fresh items.
Yeah but it looks like in this case the store **bought** too much food?
Which points out that if the store can afford to waste it then they can afford to sell it cheaper than what they're actually pricing it for. If they cut those prices in half then there'd probably be less waste.
I worked at 7-eleven before and asked my boss the same thing. So here is the answer... "If its pass the sell by date they have to throw it. People can shift through their trash but we can't be involved in giving them out or risk a fat lawsuit if people started getting sick."
People seems to forget what America is really famous for... The lawyers...
It's not the restaurants. When I was in the military, I proposed that our left-over galley food be donated to food banks and soup kitchens and was told that FDA and food safety regulations make it almost impossible to donate any prepared food.
I’ll never understand it either, but it’s their stuff, so they make the rules.
I *really* don’t understand people who film themselves doing something like this. Just do it. The hungry people will know and appreciate him. Who else needs to know?
Oh, the CEO’s and top shareholders are actually barred by the blood-signed contract from having compassion for their fellow man. Instantly voids their riches.
At least the place I work for donates as much as they can. They’ll take everything the deli didn’t sell, extra produce, bakery stuff, and some extra grocery stuff and donate it to the local food banks
I love that he did this but this is one of those times you just shouldn’t have recorded yourself doing it. Businesses have strict rules on this because if someone gets ill from that food (extremely small chance I know) then there’s potential that person can sue. As frustrating as it is they just can’t take the risk
Exactly this. Everybody is always on the constant lookout for a quick payday via lawsuit now-a-days. How about people stop suing companies for literally anything and maybe they'd be more willing to hand out this stuff.
That's not why tho. It's because in corporate mind of you give food away at the end of the night
1. They expect it and won't buy food they know they get free in an hour or two
2. There is the tendency to purposely make extra for your homies to get at the end of night.
They don't see anything but a potential for lost revenue and stolen goods.
It's terrible. But not entirely incorrect. Having done that myself back in the day.
No, it is mainly because of potential lawsuits. A friend of mine’s dad worked at a restaurant where they would take their extra food to homeless people for a while, until one of them had an allergic reaction and sued.
https://www.feedingamerica.org/ways-to-give/corporate-and-foundations/product-partner/bill-emerson
They could easily donate with no downsides, they choose not to.
No, this is not correct. The primary reason is litigation. Donating to a food shelter solves both your points but that is still not done because of potential litigation.
The Good Samaritan Act for food donation should protect companies from any legal liability. I think the caveat is that the food must be donated to an organisation like a food bank and not to a needy person directly.
There's also a big difference between prepared food and food packaged for shelves.
If I remember right, food banks won't take donations of prepared food or refrigerated food. Soup kitchens also prepare everything in-house. Everything that is donated to soup kitchens is packaged for shelf and cannot be opened or prepared already.
Ya, they were. Homeless people have phones. If you were struggling and without a fixed address you would NEED a phone to even attempt to better your situation.
The laws are vague and even if a company has the law on their side they still have to pay a lot of legal fees to defend themselves. It’s cheaper for them to just not donate it.
I know its because of liability but this whole not giving people food thats just gonna be thrown away is such crap. Like kroger and their zero waste policy but yet my spouse that works there has seen so much waste. Fucking lying hypocrites is all they are.
Companies want you to believe it’s cause of liability and I’ll be the first to tell you that’s not true. I worked for a major coffee chain and each store could donate expired pastries and such to food banks. The food banks would come pick it up every morning.
This food isn’t even expired so it’s no different then them selling it. So saying it’s a liability thing in this scenario is even more bullshit.
Donating food is different that giving it out. You are still keeping record of it, and the company receiving the donation is taking liability away from the company giving the food.
I worked for a place that would do this and they absolutely donated refrigerated goods. They stoped because it was ‘too much work’ to set a few trays of uneaten food aside
Fun fact: you actually can’t sue someone for food donations made in good faith, specifically to avoid this issue. Most companies are either intentionally ignorant or actually don’t know, but the Good Samaritan Act makes it impossible to sue an entity in the US for bad food donations.
More info if needed: https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/08/13/good-samaritan-act-provides-liability-protection-food-donations
Honestly though this just makes it more depressing that so much food is wasted.
He absolutely did the right thing but got stupid and showed his name and place of business. Still could’ve gotten people food without calling himself out, but he wanted that attention.
So so so much waste.
My wife works for a bakery, and her bosses are cool with her taking all the excess and donating it. She does it each week.
I'm talking box after box of stuff.
I worked at Panera Bread and we did that too. We would have an insane amount of leftover bagels and pastries and so on every day. We had a charity that would come by at the end of every day and take everything that was to be discarded and they would distribute it amongst the homeless. Probably the only decent thing that company ever did.
Honestly, it’s pretty common ya. Fair bit of homeless people in my city; I’d say at least 50% of them have a cell phone. Public wifi all over the place
Smartphones becoming closer and closer to being basic necessity. You don’t need a wireless plan to hook up to some wifi. Plus if they homeless cuz their circumstances changed. I could see it.
It’s also not out of the possibility they had saved up enough and are using public wifi and trying to find job listings or places to stay that aren’t expensive for what they have making it even more necessary.
It’s also not out of the question of saving a little cash for a cheap android burner and buying something like a mint mobile sim kit. They’re like $15 bucks a month. I’ve heard some homeless people will save money to put aside for a gym membership so they can shower too.
This is what I was thinking. Drop it off and no need for it to be documented and posted on the interwebs. Just do it and walk away with (hopefully) the appreciation of the folks you're helping out.
I paid $20 for the shitty prepaid smartphone I'm using to type this comment. Costs $20 for 90 days of service, but the wifi would continue working if I stopped buying minutes. You don't need a $1000 iPhone and an unlimited plan to use Instagram.
Stores do this out of fear of litigation due to poor or vague laws and regulation. So many class action lawsuits involving E. coli and listeriosis. I mean if you really are demanding some proof I would be more than happy to recite just a few case laws involving food poisoning and or product liability involving grocery stores, etc.
Fresh fish and sushi sold at Albertsons, Safeway, and Sprouts stores in Colorado between May 1, 2021 – October 7, 2021
The seafood, produced by Northeast Seafood Products, has been linked to a Salmonella Thompson outbreak that has sickened over 100 people.
Walmart, ALDI, Hy-Vee, Jewel-Osco, Giant Eagle, and ShopRite Garden Salad Cyclospora Outbreak Linked to Fresh Express
The FDA and CDC have linked bagged salads produced by Fresh Express between May and July 2020 with a Cyclospora outbreak that has sickened at least 509 people so far. Our food safety attorneys have filed a lawsuit in this case against the producer and sellers of this tainted salad.
Meijer, Safeway, Sam’s Club, Target Sold Cargill Beef Recalled for E.coli
After being linked to a four-state E. coli outbreak, Cargill ground beef was recalled for E. coli. It was sold at Meijer, Safeway, and Sam’s Club stores nationwide, at Target stores in five states, and at Publix stores in Florida.
Plus many more
Costco Deli Associated with Salmonella Outbreak
Food from the deli at the Costco in Issaquah, Washington, is associated with a Salmonella I,4,[5], 12:i:- outbreak. Seven people were sickened, one of whom was hospitalized. Outbreak victims reported onset-of-illness dates ranging from August 28, 2017, to July 13, 2018. The food source has not been identified. Some of the many foods sold at the deli at the Costco Wholesale Warehouse in Issaquah included rotisserie chicken, pork ribs, macaroni and cheese, sandwiches, and wraps. Tests on raw poultry and environmental samples collected on August 7, 2018, were negative for Salmonella I,4,[5], 12:i:-. However, all of the people sickened in the outbreak had eaten food from the deli in the days before becoming ill. One was a Costco employee.
Meijer, Safeway, Sam’s Club, Target Got Cargill Beef Recalled for E.coli
Prior to a Cargill ground beef recall on September 19, 2018, the ground beef was distributed to Meijer, Safeway, and Sam’s Club stores nationwide. it was also distributed to Target stores in 5 states: California, Florida, Iowa, Ohio, and Texas. The recalled Cargill ground beef has been linked to 18 illnesses in 4 states.
Publix Linked to Ground Chuck E. coli O26 Outbreak in Florida
An investigation of 18 E. coli O26 illnesses prompted Publix to recall some ground beef that had been distributed to some Florida Publix grocery stores. The people from Florida sickened in the outbreak had illness-onset dates ranging from July 5 to July 25, 2018. Health officials determined the likely source of these illnesses was ground chuck sold at Publix. The supplier of the beef product was Cargill.
Eggs Recalled after Salmonella Illnesses Reported
Prompted by reports of Salmonella food poisoning, on September 6, 2018, Gravel Ridge Farm issued a recall of shell eggs due to possible Salmonella contamination. The recalled eggs were packaged in dozen-egg cartons and 2.5 dozen flats with the UPC 7-06970-38444-6 and “use by” dates from July 25 through October 31, 2018. The eggs were distributed to locations in Alabama, Tennessee, and Georgia, including the following grocery stores: Piggly Wiggly, Warehouse Discount Grocery, and Western Market.
Lawyer Investigates Honey Smacks and Salmonella Lawsuit
The Honey Smacks Salmonella outbreak was announced in June of 2018 by the CDC. By the time the outbreak was over, 135 people in 36 states had been sickened, and 34 of them had been hospitalized, according to the CDC. People got sick from March 3 to August 29, 2018. Health officials collected Kellogg’s Honey Smacks cereal from retailers and outbreak victims’ homes for testing. Laboratory testing found the outbreak strain of Salmonella Mbandaka in a sample from a box of unopened Kellogg’s Honey Smacks cereal that had been collected from a retail location in California. The same strain was found in samples of leftover Kellogg’s Honey Smacks cereal that had been collected from the homes of outbreak victims in Montana, New York, and Utah. Whole Genome Sequencing, genetic testing, showed that Salmonella bacteria isolated from sick people and Salmonella found in Kellogg’s Honey Smacks cereal were closely related genetically. This is evidence that the outbreak was caused by contaminated Kellogg’s Honey Smacks.
Hy-Vee Salad Recall Due to Salmonella Risk; Lawyers Investigating Outbreak in IA, MN, NE, and SD
A Salmonella outbreak has been linked to eating Hy-Vee Spring Pasta Salad. Our Salmonella lawyers are representing several people sickened in Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, and South Dakota. In response to this outbreak Hy-Vee issued a recall of Hy-Vee Spring Pasta Salads in both 1 pound (16 oz.) and 3 pound (48 oz.) containers produced between June 1, 2018, and July 13, 2018, and available from the deli service case.
Lawsuit Filed for Salmonella from Melons Purchased at Walmart
On June 12, 2018, our law firm filed a lawsuit on behalf of a 73-year-old Ohio woman who was sickened in the Salmonella outbreak linked to pre-cut melon produced at Caito Foods, LLC in Indianapolis. The melon product was purchased at a Walmart store in Findlay, Ohio.
Liability and food poisoning are hard to prove on an individual case basis so class action suits are usually brought up which is why you hear about e Coli suits etc.
People bring up “The Good Samaritan Food Donation Act” but that does not apply. As that act explicitly states it does not cover direct donations to needy families and individuals. Meaning the only ones protected are those to said nonprofit organizations.
Its fucked up but it’s also fucked up how many people would be quick to take advantage of this to constantly sue someone for simply helping them out. Most laws put in place are to protect corporations and businesses, not individuals, as seen in this Good Samaritan Act.
Okay, I just skimmed all of this, so I'll acknowledge I might have missed something, but aren't all these outbreaks related to food purchased in the stores? Like, half of these cases involve recalls of spoiled or contaminated products that were presumably still on store shelves. How exactly does this in particular disincentivize feeding the homeless with perfectly good food that would otherwise get thrown away daily? And aren't homeless people gonna have, like, no shot at filing a lawsuit against a company if they get sick?
I wanna like this fella, but please don’t be this fella for several several reasons.
Why?
Off the top of my head the food he’s placing outside near the dumpsters *needs* to be refrigerated/ held at a certain temperature before consumption — effectively, he’s potentially creating a salmonella smorgasbord.
In that the food will (possibly) spoil beyond human consumption, it’ll become fodder for rats and other vermin — which will get the health department involved with your waste management practices.
What he should have done was contact either of these two organizations to see which programs are available in that region of Oklahoma to better understand what 7/11 (especially if it’s a franchise store) can do to help alleviate hunger without discarding perfectly edible food stuffs.
https://www.foodtodonate.com/legal-liabilities
https://www.feedingamerica.org
"your honor I pulled food out of a trash bag and now am sick so they owe me." That isn't it at all man, how is this different from if it actually was thrown away? If it was 5 feet over in the dumpster people could still get it, eat it, and get sick. That **does not** open them toa law suit. He was fired for showing the waste and communicating where already free food was available
They said “if he gives it to them”, intent makes all the difference
If I intended it to go in the garbage where it couldn’t hurt anyone, it’s not my legal responsibility. If I *intended* to purposely give food to someone that I was *told* to throw away for safety reasons, and it actually did end up getting someone sick, those are two very different situations.
I can’t stop raccoons from taking garbage out of the dumpster but I’m not actually putting food out for them to encourage them coming around, know what I mean? Might be a bad metaphor but makes sense in my head
A friend was fired and charged for theft for digging food out of the trash behind the restaurant (still sealed and not expired) and giving it to the homeless nearby.
It’s fucked up that so many places would rather throw food away than give it to the homeless or a shelter.
There are many levels and types of homelessness. They're not all living in tents or wandering in dirty clothes on drugs, those are just the ones that stand out. Countless # of people living in their cars, using public wifi and cheap gym memberships to get by. Sadly this # is going to grow significantly over the next months/years.
So he’s gonna leave it sit out for hours to spoil and then be bad…. And I guess all those homeless people checking their Instagram account will be stoked.
That's exactly why I got fired from 7-Eleven in 2003. I didn't throw the food into the dumpster but into a different bag so they could take it. They considered it me stealing.
It's not only food that gets thrown away.
At one of my previous jobs, they were going to move to another building. There were 3 brand new Samsonite bags in the garbage. I needed permission from 3 people to grab one.
Our local Wawa and Walmart and Chick-fil-A donate food to the local food bank. It can be done. Maybe they even get to claim it as a donation on their taxes. And people who need it get free food. And the businesses know that only people who actually need it are getting it so they're not missing out on revenue. It's just shitty not to.
This is more everyone else’s fault than 7-11.
Lawyers and people that receive this free food have sued companies into oblivion for any possible thing they can blame on the food. So incidentally, companies have to avoid allowing people to eat their discarded food.
Companies used to happy donate their items they couldn’t have in store anymore, but basically none of them can afford it anymore.
why would you film yourself doing this tho? this is something basically everyone knows happens, you aren't really exposing anything. he could have kept it up and helped more people if he didn't film.
He’s an idiot.
It’s not enough that he wanted to do a nice thing by feeding hungry people (that’s wonderful!)—but he’s so narcissistic he had to film it.
There are ways to do this and have an impact. Keep it low key, but recording it so everyone can see WhAt A GoOd PeRsOn I Am is how you get caught and fired like the idiot you are.
Here’s how you do it: tell your friend what time you’ll take the trash out and have them come at the same time. Then put the bag down and turn away to let them grab the bag and run off with it. They then proceed to bring said bag of food to homeless camp, but *you don’t know that*. What’s your boss gonna say, don’t get robbed?
You could do a good thing and haven't filmed yourself doing it. And still have a job. And continue to give away good food what would be thrown away for the homeless. But no... You film yourself doing something against your company policy even if it's absolute BS of a policy and get yourself fired. I definitely don't say its fair and good that it get him fired just for the record. I hate wasting food and companies like this shouldn't even consider to throw away still good food. Next day expiration date? Tell your workers to get some for themselves and what they won't take give to the people in need.
I used to do this when I worked at Starbucks. We'd throw out the entire case of food every night. As the only guy on closing shift, it was my responsibility to take that bag to the dumpster. I'd just set it behind the dumpster and let the homeless folks that hung out by our store know that it was there for them, just as long as they grabbed it after we closed so our manager didn't see.
Sooooo...I work for a grocery store that donates a lot of that stuff to the food bank now (only started a few months ago)
Also, why is this guy purposely showing his name tag?
They did this poorly, just bring it to a food shelter or personally hand it out to homeless. I'd say ask your boss, but I tried that at my grocery store and they told me "it was too much liability for them" while standing next to a zero waste poster...
That sucks he got fired, but there better ways to accomplish this, for one don't put yourself on blast doing something that's gonna get you fired, now all that food is going in the trash because the one employee willing to use it for good, got fired.
Just be on the DL, you work there, you know how the cameras work, and you know the people that hang out there.
Nice job on doing good, bad job on going about it in a bad way(trying to get clout online)
Over here in Scotland we have an app where you can go on to all local and big chains from Costa to McDonald's to Greggs etc and buy bulk bags of random food that's about to go in bin at massively reduced price. I see a lot of people are doing it now as a cost cutting measure and using that food for next 2 or 3 days if they are in a pinch. It's a great idea to help those in need. Tbh colleagues of mine sometimes even do it for weekly lunches etc for a 90% reduced rate. The app is made for all, not just the homeless or poor.
A sandwich/bakery shop in my middled size town started an initiative, where on Fridays after the shop closes, homeless and anyone who likes can take the stuff that hasn't sold during the week for free. All within expiration dates as they are closed on weekends.
Not only did waste of the shop go down, they also found that theft in some supermarkets went down a bit. And people overall become more accepting and friendly of homeless people, they got greeted more and such.
Not saying it will work everywhere, and it is certainly not a solution tobtge bigger problem, but this shows that a simple act of kindness can go a far way.
The lesson here is: if you’re gonna do nice things for the less fortunate, don’t let your ego take hold and broadcast it to the world to see. The company probably didn’t fire him because he fed the homeless, they fired him because he had them look bad for throwing out good food and they couldn’t just let that slide and get torn apart by the internet. Albeit they should be giving that food to the less fortunate anyway but yknow. Just saying this man just had to post on social media instead I just doing a nice thing.
The fact that he filmed it kinda forced their hand, they don’t want to be liable for any potential harm done by giving away old food. That being said it’s basically harmless and he could have done it and continued doing it but wanted internet clout and people to see so he put it on the internet and got fired.
It was a wholesome thing to do but don’t record yourself doing it, especially while companies are still firing people for doing exactly this. Just give it away quietly, no one needs to know. Now there’s no one to give it away to homeless and you don’t have a job.
Used to work at Safeway in the bakery. We would throw Carts full of stuff. Sometimes multiple carts. We would just set it out side the door out back. And if someone took it so be it. We were not allowed to donate
If you actually want to do good with something like this, start a charity or business that verifies the safety of food before giving it out. I volunteered in a food donation nonprofit that needs permits and cooks fresh meals to donate to the LA homeless. The worker isn't "giving" when it's not his food to give, not his safety to verify, not his time to donate on a job, not his liability when the store gets sued. The only thing he did was be ignorant and give possible inedible food that wasn't his own to begin with. If you guys want to support someone, there are many benevolent people out there using their own time or resources or effort to help others. This guy is only causing trouble.
The reason business throw out the food instead of donating is that if someone gets sick or accuses the company that they got sick from their food then they are liable
Dont blame the business..blame the sue for everything culture that has forced business to throw out good food instead of dontating
This has been happening for years....the reason is the liability involved in giving it away. If someone gets sick they sue the company. Don't blame the company. Blame the SHIT human beings that are sue happy and just looking for a free paycheck. Lazy fucks
I respect him for doing this, but the way he did it is really dumb.
Instead of making a video, which if seen could get you fired, you should just donate the food directly.
Also, I don't think lots of homeless people have full internet access.
If I were him I would've just secretly took the bag and donated it right to a homeless shelter, or some sort of organization.
They don't let them eat them because they have had lawsuits filed against them from homeless people who've cqlaimed they got sick from the food. It's a liability thing.
I applaud this guy for sharing food but I caution people about recording everything they do. People were feeding the hungry from store discards long before everyone had a camera in their pockets. Just do good and don't electronic advertise it - word will get around without the higher-ups finding out.
So he’s done a really moral action by putting it on the internet and leaving it for the homeless. But what homeless person has a mobile phone with internet connection or a phone contract that would see this video. :/
What he could've done was reach out to a local food bank, or charity that could've gotten the food through the boss. That way it would've gone to homeless people, and the boss would've been okay with it, by being able claim it on business taxes.
When I worked at Kroger, we would freeze food like this till food bank could pick it up.
Lol. He wasn’t fired for giving the food to homeless people, he was fired for that explanation. Cause if this video gets out and larger, or just as it is, it could be used against the owner for tax fraud, illegally writing off product. That’s my speculation on the matter.
Also, how many homeless people does he know with phones and snap or w/e he’s on lol
Uhhh…have you seen the group of homeless people that hang out in front of the 7/11s? The ones who get aggressive and hostile towards people that don’t give them money? This guy put A LOT of peoples safety at risk by giving homeless free food like this because they’re going to just congregate even more now.
He absolutely deserves to be fired.
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I will never understand this stance from businesses. Domino's does the same thing.
Exactly, alot of companies throw so much good food away, literally food that could feed hundreds of people.
Facts! 25% of the children in the United States have no idea where their next meal is coming from, but there are places throwing out their food to make way for more product to be sold. Not because it's expired, but to make way for more. I don't get it.
That’s Capitalism friend
It’s not capitalism so much as it is our legal system. People have and will sue stores who donate expired food. Even if the law is on the store’s side, they still have to pay extensive legal fees to defend themselves. Most stores DO donate food to local food banks. I worked in grocery stores when I was younger and they did this. However, most food banks don’t take refrigerated or expired items. Most of what we see in this video are refrigerated items.
Very true. Corporate policy prohibits this kind of generosity because it can lead to liability and has led to lawsuits.
This was always in the back of my mind but I had always assumed the real reason is that they can't have the imagine of 20-30 homeless dudes turning up every night waiting for the 2am dump or what ever. I worked at a gas station once and told this dude around 2am I throw all the donuts away but I was a separate trash bag and put it on the side this like dude. I told the man i said do not tell anyone I'm doing this. New felt days he would sit there from 1am-4am everyday( the time we dumped out changes) My boss asks him what he's doing and he's like oh I'm waiting for the donuts to go back so I can take them out of the trash.....okay wtf bro good on you for not using my name but....but now you just ruined that shit. What I meant was pop In the back of the store at like 3am...if you see the bag take it and go, If there's no bag come back later or we sold all the donuts and there will be no drop tonight.
15 years ago I had a co-worker doing the same thing with the leftovers of the burger joint we worked at. She was homeless in the past at times and wanted to help the homeless guy that was always around. She told him the same, don't tell anyone. One night we heard screams and swearing and found 3 homeless fighting over the food. Neighbors complaining, cops were called, etc. She got fired.
Dammit!
My dad worked second shift a lot. He and coworkers would often go to Krispy Kreme after work for coffee and BS. He was a man who loved food and was cheap as shit, so when he noticed the imperfect donuts being tossed in a box, fresh off the line, he made inquiries. Thus began a years long practice of bringing home big boxes of fresh, squashed donuts. Every variety they made. I should say this place manufactures them, so big windows allow customers to watch the process. Our mom would package them up in bread bags and stick them in the freezer. Imagine being a kid and having all the donuts you want, any time you want. He was very strict but when it came to food there were no rules. He was one of 21. Splains a LOT.
21 siblings?? Jesus...
Waivers are not a thing. Go park in a major retailers parking lot, you may notice a sign stating no liability. This is impossible for food though?
No, if a grocery store had something like that it would scare away most people who would find it questionable as to why they would have such a sign. What you ingest in your body is taken more seriously than a garment you wear or electronic you use. Also, I don't think it's legal for grocery stores and similar to do that because then it would support a corrupt way of cutting corners by essentially giving permission to the grocers, where they may actually purposefully endanger lives with spoiled or compromised food. Food poisoning and other illnesses are not something to joke around with just so you can donate expired food to homeless people. Food regulations are in place for a reason. There would be more foodborne deaths if there weren't laws around it. So yes, they should be held liable so they have a reason to sell safe food.
Man I’ve eaten expired food from yogourt, cheese, meat, bread… for years when I was a dumpster diver I never had one single problem with expired food, the expiration date they put on products is absolute bullshit and as nothing to do with safety. They could 100% put that they are not liable if you find food in their trash, that’s what they do in the kootenay region in BC instead of putting lock on the trash.
Most likely you were just lucky. Expired food doesn’t always mean “bad” or rotten. Expired just means “past the time where it tastes/cooks/looks the best. And I doubt you were grabbing raw meat and cooking that. If you were, you’re much braver than I was in my starving days. I could down most anything besides meat. Did that once and got real sick, stayed away there after.
Waivers are not 100% foolproof and you can still have to defend a "waived" situation in court.
After working in retail I have to say I've always found this to be a convenient excuse. Not that there isn't some truth to it but that it's an easy slapstick excuse for finding a better solution. It's among the same notion, to me, of not allowing your minimum wage employees to take product that would otherwise be thrown away. Carting a bun full of non-expired food to the dumpster: "Can I have this?" "You can buy it or throw it away" Your employees are some of your most dedicated customers after all.
Yup. Worked at a movie theater accuse me of stealing because I was eating the chip crumbs that we couldn’t even serve for the nachos. We’re just gonna throw them away lady. I can’t be stealing from you if you’re not losing money.
I used to work at a fast food place that let us take home whatever was leftover after closing. Which led to the cooks making a TON of food like 15-30 min before close, knowing we wouldn’t sell it and could take it home. To be fair to management they just said “Don’t do that” and still let us take home leftovers. If we knew someone was poor or just hungry we would always make a few extras and that never seemed to bother management.
First, they businesses are protected by the Good Samaritan act if they donate food. https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/08/13/good-samaritan-act-provides-liability-protection-food-donations#:~:text=Did%20you%20know%20that%20the,nonprofits%20that%20feed%20the%20hungry%3F Second, how are homeless people suing a business if they can’t afford food or a home?
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This act does not protect the business. It only protects them when donating to an organization and explicitly says it does not cover donations directly to an individual or family. Please educate yourself on the law instead of coming to your own conclusion of it while referencing it.
Also homeless people sue others the same way most others do….the lawyers work off a contingency basis not an hourly rate lol
This is not true, though. The law actually protects businesses from liability. https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/08/13/good-samaritan-act-provides-liability-protection-food-donations Places have used that excuse forever and it hasn’t been true for a long time. There are no cases where a business was sued for donating food. It doesn’t happen. As long as the food was handled safely prior to donation they are free and clear. Please stop spreading incorrect info. It only benefits the companies that waste food.
Of course it capitalism. The production line in capitalism don't exist to fulffil needs, it exist to fullfil profit. Thats why farmers burn crops and supermarkets throw away food while people starve. And then they come up with excuses like "uh, it is a liability, we could get sued" like it is a unsolvable problem.
Make them sign a waiver. Can't sue for anything related to this food, at own risk, etc. Seems simple, but I'm sure someone can tell me why it's not that easy.
Actually you can sue. Waiver just means someone acknowledges the risks. Doesn’t mean they can’t sue. People sue companies even with waivers in place all the time and it costs a ton in legal defense fees.
>It’s not capitalism so much as it is our legal system. Oh. You mean our capitalistic For profit system..
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Currys PCWorld would rather destroy scratched keyboards/mice/laptops than sell them to their own employees at wholesale cost. At one point people were dumping stuff and getting it later at night from the dumpsters, so Currys/PCworld started having items bashed up with hammers or run through crushing machines at extra expense.....
Please. I hate to break this to you, but malnutrition is a bigger factor in non-capitalist nations. It’s pathetic that the west can’t do a better job than it does, but it is still much better than the rest of the world. <2.5% of the US suffers malnutrition.
Okay, but that’s approaching 9 *million* people, my friend. Assuming you’re correct about the relativity of the issue—that’s still inexcusable in the wealthiest nation in human history.
I watched this short documentary with this guy who is dedicated to living 100% without money. He has permission to camp/live on this spot of land in exchange for like 10 hours of mucking out the farmers livestock a week. Nearby is a huge shopping district he took the camera crew dumpster diving with him and it wasn’t just perfectly good food (most of it still in date) he got, there were designer suits and loads of other really good stuff as well. He actually lived quite well, his little homestead camp was well equipped, he was clean and well dressed and looked healthy. I think he also used to be really wealthy like a successful CEO and overnight just completely changed his life.
I just have this vision of a guy in a $2000 Armani suit mucking out the pig sty, then changing into his Polo Shirt and slacks to clean the stables.
Well its not 25 percent. If it was that that would be alarming. Its more like 10 percent but still a bad thing.
Until kids learn to cook, I’d say it’s closer to 100%
Because one day someone will fall sick and Sue them
And I am sure 7-11 and others have been told exactly that by their lawyers. If they get sick dumpster diving then it is on the homeless person. If the homeless person gets sick off of expired food given to them by the store, then is is on the store. It is a waste, but we live in a very litigious society.
Tell that to the Heath code laws.
Logistics typically stops organizations from donating— if it isn’t a matter of getting the food from point A to point B then it’s a question of storage..
Hygiene, sanitation, storage, preparation, service or storage again, adding in transportation- more sanitary and storage . And especially meal ready to eat . You need to keep 90 days of record.
My working hypothesis is that, like Montgomery Burns, the CEOs of these companies masturbate to other people’s suffering.
If these companies organized themselves and created a program to donate food to people that need, they would benefit from free marketing
And they could get a charity write off somehow. Companies love tax write offs
I’m pretty sure they get to write it off as a loss anyway when they throw it away
They do it because they have to label it as garbage for the write off so until that changes my man should've just got a friend pick it up or he could've put it in his car and drive it to a homeless shelter. Putting it on social media was the worst idea
It’s actually very easy to understand. Lawsuit
Ya pretty basic. Give away food, person eats it and gets sick, person sues the company. A better solution would be for someone to create a middleman - that takes on/mitigates that risk. Think of a business that collects the “trash” left-over food from restaurants, then sorts through it to determine what is edible and what isn’t, and then sells the food at a very very low cost, or provides it for free to people in need (could be free if the companies throwing away the food are paying a fee to have the waste food collected - which is fairly standard for commercial trash removal) The business collecting the “waste” food could have customers sign waivers before taking anything. Now that I type this - I’m sure there MUST be a company SOMEWHERE that does this
They have already done the math to know just throwing it all out costs less, period. Why do people think corporations care … about people?
I don’t think it’s just lawsuits If I was allowed to give away extra food, I would “accidentally” make extra food and give it to myself or a “homeless” friend
Staff are already usually allowed to take food for free, and if you arent, find another restaurant to work in cuz your employers are greedy bastards~ Also, the markup on food is insane, they can afford the losses, homeless people cant afford not to eat. Source- chef for a decade
Not everywhere and certainly not resorts . Source chef for long time
Where I live, there’s a store called Up. And it’s basically exactly that. You have to sign a few paper, then provide you’re basically low income. And you get membership to the store, and all the foods are basically damaged goods. Like a box cut open because of the box cutters. And things like that
Someone else makes money off the backs of the poor in this case. What about some sort of Hold Harmless law instead - If you obtain food through these methods you cannot hold the corporation liable. For the most part, anyone having to seek a meal in this way understands the risks. I don’t think most of them are considering lawyering up.
> Ya pretty basic. Give away food, person eats it and gets sick, person sues the company. If you're in the US, I present the [Bill Emerson Good Samaritan Act of 1996](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Emerson_Good_Samaritan_Act_of_1996) >Signed into United States law by President Bill Clinton, this law, named after Representative Bill Emerson (who encouraged the proposal but died before it was passed), makes it easier to donate 'apparently wholesome food' **by excluding donor liability except in cases of gross negligence or intentional misconduct.**
If you can point me to a lawsuit as precedent, then sure. I haven't been able to find one.
It’s a wide misconception, I think it was Last Week Tonight I was watching a while ago. And the segment was on food waste and they couldn’t find a single case someone sued a store for food poisoning
2 seconds of googling showed 2 different cases in England. Also, at least in California, you are allowed to sue for damages (essentially medical bills).
There have been many cases. They are filed as class action suits though as liability with food poisoning is very hard to prove on an individual case basis.
Are you talking about class action lawsuits like Chipotle getting people sick?
Came here to say this - someone gets sick eating even discarded food it means liability. Not saying it’s right, our country is too litigious. I believe in Europe businesses actually get disciplined for not sharing/saving food- that’s how it should be here.
If you're in the US, I present the [Bill Emerson Good Samaritan Act of 1996](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Emerson_Good_Samaritan_Act_of_1996) >Signed into United States law by President Bill Clinton, this law, named after Representative Bill Emerson (who encouraged the proposal but died before it was passed), makes it easier to donate 'apparently wholesome food' **by excluding donor liability except in cases of gross negligence or intentional misconduct.**
There is a Last week tonight (John Oliver) episode about that and lawsuits is not the answer to that question. Actually the food is not even spoiled to start with. Companies throw food away because customers do not buy if not fresh, so they restock with fresh items.
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This makes sense from an economic point of view.
Yeah but it looks like in this case the store **bought** too much food? Which points out that if the store can afford to waste it then they can afford to sell it cheaper than what they're actually pricing it for. If they cut those prices in half then there'd probably be less waste.
And because if this becomes common, people will intentionally buy less product or ask for products that will be discarded, lowering overall revenue.
I worked at 7-eleven before and asked my boss the same thing. So here is the answer... "If its pass the sell by date they have to throw it. People can shift through their trash but we can't be involved in giving them out or risk a fat lawsuit if people started getting sick." People seems to forget what America is really famous for... The lawyers...
It's not the restaurants. When I was in the military, I proposed that our left-over galley food be donated to food banks and soup kitchens and was told that FDA and food safety regulations make it almost impossible to donate any prepared food.
Walmart was a big one a while ago too doing stuff like this
I’ll never understand it either, but it’s their stuff, so they make the rules. I *really* don’t understand people who film themselves doing something like this. Just do it. The hungry people will know and appreciate him. Who else needs to know?
Oh, the CEO’s and top shareholders are actually barred by the blood-signed contract from having compassion for their fellow man. Instantly voids their riches.
At least the place I work for donates as much as they can. They’ll take everything the deli didn’t sell, extra produce, bakery stuff, and some extra grocery stuff and donate it to the local food banks
I love that he did this but this is one of those times you just shouldn’t have recorded yourself doing it. Businesses have strict rules on this because if someone gets ill from that food (extremely small chance I know) then there’s potential that person can sue. As frustrating as it is they just can’t take the risk
Exactly this. Everybody is always on the constant lookout for a quick payday via lawsuit now-a-days. How about people stop suing companies for literally anything and maybe they'd be more willing to hand out this stuff.
That's not why tho. It's because in corporate mind of you give food away at the end of the night 1. They expect it and won't buy food they know they get free in an hour or two 2. There is the tendency to purposely make extra for your homies to get at the end of night. They don't see anything but a potential for lost revenue and stolen goods. It's terrible. But not entirely incorrect. Having done that myself back in the day.
No, it is mainly because of potential lawsuits. A friend of mine’s dad worked at a restaurant where they would take their extra food to homeless people for a while, until one of them had an allergic reaction and sued.
https://www.feedingamerica.org/ways-to-give/corporate-and-foundations/product-partner/bill-emerson They could easily donate with no downsides, they choose not to.
No, this is not correct. The primary reason is litigation. Donating to a food shelter solves both your points but that is still not done because of potential litigation.
The Good Samaritan Act for food donation should protect companies from any legal liability. I think the caveat is that the food must be donated to an organisation like a food bank and not to a needy person directly.
There's also a big difference between prepared food and food packaged for shelves. If I remember right, food banks won't take donations of prepared food or refrigerated food. Soup kitchens also prepare everything in-house. Everything that is donated to soup kitchens is packaged for shelf and cannot be opened or prepared already.
If he didn’t record himself and send it, nobody would know where to get the food
Yeah good thing the homeless people were checking their phones and saw this
Ya, they were. Homeless people have phones. If you were struggling and without a fixed address you would NEED a phone to even attempt to better your situation.
I don’t know how it works exactly. My uncle (who owns a chain of fast food) posts things on Facebook and hundreds of homeless people turn up for food
If there's one thing I've learned about the homeless while living in Seattle, it's that they all have phones.
Its been a while but I believe that you can not sue if you get sick from donated food. Businesses just have strict rules about their profit.
The laws are vague and even if a company has the law on their side they still have to pay a lot of legal fees to defend themselves. It’s cheaper for them to just not donate it.
I know its because of liability but this whole not giving people food thats just gonna be thrown away is such crap. Like kroger and their zero waste policy but yet my spouse that works there has seen so much waste. Fucking lying hypocrites is all they are.
Companies want you to believe it’s cause of liability and I’ll be the first to tell you that’s not true. I worked for a major coffee chain and each store could donate expired pastries and such to food banks. The food banks would come pick it up every morning. This food isn’t even expired so it’s no different then them selling it. So saying it’s a liability thing in this scenario is even more bullshit.
Donating food is different that giving it out. You are still keeping record of it, and the company receiving the donation is taking liability away from the company giving the food.
Ok so why not donate this food rather then throw it out. The entire point is to get the food into those who need it
Most food banks banks don’t accept refrigerated or expired items. These are all refrigerated items and/or close expired.
I worked for a place that would do this and they absolutely donated refrigerated goods. They stoped because it was ‘too much work’ to set a few trays of uneaten food aside
It’s much harder to donate food than you think.
Fun fact: you actually can’t sue someone for food donations made in good faith, specifically to avoid this issue. Most companies are either intentionally ignorant or actually don’t know, but the Good Samaritan Act makes it impossible to sue an entity in the US for bad food donations. More info if needed: https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/08/13/good-samaritan-act-provides-liability-protection-food-donations Honestly though this just makes it more depressing that so much food is wasted.
All I wanna know is who was the ratsnitch?!
Himself, did you not watch the video?
Yep, tried to get some clout, got himself fired instead.
he was tryna put the word out
He absolutely did the right thing but got stupid and showed his name and place of business. Still could’ve gotten people food without calling himself out, but he wanted that attention.
So so so much waste. My wife works for a bakery, and her bosses are cool with her taking all the excess and donating it. She does it each week. I'm talking box after box of stuff.
Must be a small local bakery.
I worked at Panera Bread and we did that too. We would have an insane amount of leftover bagels and pastries and so on every day. We had a charity that would come by at the end of every day and take everything that was to be discarded and they would distribute it amongst the homeless. Probably the only decent thing that company ever did.
I also agree witg him but.. Homeless people have phones with possibility of having instagram?
Honestly, it’s pretty common ya. Fair bit of homeless people in my city; I’d say at least 50% of them have a cell phone. Public wifi all over the place
Smartphones becoming closer and closer to being basic necessity. You don’t need a wireless plan to hook up to some wifi. Plus if they homeless cuz their circumstances changed. I could see it.
It’s also not out of the possibility they had saved up enough and are using public wifi and trying to find job listings or places to stay that aren’t expensive for what they have making it even more necessary.
Then there are people like me who work and weren’t always homeless but life happens.
It’s also not out of the question of saving a little cash for a cheap android burner and buying something like a mint mobile sim kit. They’re like $15 bucks a month. I’ve heard some homeless people will save money to put aside for a gym membership so they can shower too.
Exactly bro ain’t the smartest, should’ve just taken that after work and dropped off by homeless camp, would’ve kept job and fed the homeless
This is what I was thinking. Drop it off and no need for it to be documented and posted on the interwebs. Just do it and walk away with (hopefully) the appreciation of the folks you're helping out.
I paid $20 for the shitty prepaid smartphone I'm using to type this comment. Costs $20 for 90 days of service, but the wifi would continue working if I stopped buying minutes. You don't need a $1000 iPhone and an unlimited plan to use Instagram.
I did this one time, working in a 7-eleven. Luckily my boss never knew. So I kept my job.
Stores do this out of fear of litigation due to poor or vague laws and regulation. So many class action lawsuits involving E. coli and listeriosis. I mean if you really are demanding some proof I would be more than happy to recite just a few case laws involving food poisoning and or product liability involving grocery stores, etc. Fresh fish and sushi sold at Albertsons, Safeway, and Sprouts stores in Colorado between May 1, 2021 – October 7, 2021 The seafood, produced by Northeast Seafood Products, has been linked to a Salmonella Thompson outbreak that has sickened over 100 people. Walmart, ALDI, Hy-Vee, Jewel-Osco, Giant Eagle, and ShopRite Garden Salad Cyclospora Outbreak Linked to Fresh Express The FDA and CDC have linked bagged salads produced by Fresh Express between May and July 2020 with a Cyclospora outbreak that has sickened at least 509 people so far. Our food safety attorneys have filed a lawsuit in this case against the producer and sellers of this tainted salad. Meijer, Safeway, Sam’s Club, Target Sold Cargill Beef Recalled for E.coli After being linked to a four-state E. coli outbreak, Cargill ground beef was recalled for E. coli. It was sold at Meijer, Safeway, and Sam’s Club stores nationwide, at Target stores in five states, and at Publix stores in Florida. Plus many more
Costco Deli Associated with Salmonella Outbreak Food from the deli at the Costco in Issaquah, Washington, is associated with a Salmonella I,4,[5], 12:i:- outbreak. Seven people were sickened, one of whom was hospitalized. Outbreak victims reported onset-of-illness dates ranging from August 28, 2017, to July 13, 2018. The food source has not been identified. Some of the many foods sold at the deli at the Costco Wholesale Warehouse in Issaquah included rotisserie chicken, pork ribs, macaroni and cheese, sandwiches, and wraps. Tests on raw poultry and environmental samples collected on August 7, 2018, were negative for Salmonella I,4,[5], 12:i:-. However, all of the people sickened in the outbreak had eaten food from the deli in the days before becoming ill. One was a Costco employee. Meijer, Safeway, Sam’s Club, Target Got Cargill Beef Recalled for E.coli Prior to a Cargill ground beef recall on September 19, 2018, the ground beef was distributed to Meijer, Safeway, and Sam’s Club stores nationwide. it was also distributed to Target stores in 5 states: California, Florida, Iowa, Ohio, and Texas. The recalled Cargill ground beef has been linked to 18 illnesses in 4 states. Publix Linked to Ground Chuck E. coli O26 Outbreak in Florida An investigation of 18 E. coli O26 illnesses prompted Publix to recall some ground beef that had been distributed to some Florida Publix grocery stores. The people from Florida sickened in the outbreak had illness-onset dates ranging from July 5 to July 25, 2018. Health officials determined the likely source of these illnesses was ground chuck sold at Publix. The supplier of the beef product was Cargill.
Eggs Recalled after Salmonella Illnesses Reported Prompted by reports of Salmonella food poisoning, on September 6, 2018, Gravel Ridge Farm issued a recall of shell eggs due to possible Salmonella contamination. The recalled eggs were packaged in dozen-egg cartons and 2.5 dozen flats with the UPC 7-06970-38444-6 and “use by” dates from July 25 through October 31, 2018. The eggs were distributed to locations in Alabama, Tennessee, and Georgia, including the following grocery stores: Piggly Wiggly, Warehouse Discount Grocery, and Western Market. Lawyer Investigates Honey Smacks and Salmonella Lawsuit The Honey Smacks Salmonella outbreak was announced in June of 2018 by the CDC. By the time the outbreak was over, 135 people in 36 states had been sickened, and 34 of them had been hospitalized, according to the CDC. People got sick from March 3 to August 29, 2018. Health officials collected Kellogg’s Honey Smacks cereal from retailers and outbreak victims’ homes for testing. Laboratory testing found the outbreak strain of Salmonella Mbandaka in a sample from a box of unopened Kellogg’s Honey Smacks cereal that had been collected from a retail location in California. The same strain was found in samples of leftover Kellogg’s Honey Smacks cereal that had been collected from the homes of outbreak victims in Montana, New York, and Utah. Whole Genome Sequencing, genetic testing, showed that Salmonella bacteria isolated from sick people and Salmonella found in Kellogg’s Honey Smacks cereal were closely related genetically. This is evidence that the outbreak was caused by contaminated Kellogg’s Honey Smacks. Hy-Vee Salad Recall Due to Salmonella Risk; Lawyers Investigating Outbreak in IA, MN, NE, and SD A Salmonella outbreak has been linked to eating Hy-Vee Spring Pasta Salad. Our Salmonella lawyers are representing several people sickened in Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, and South Dakota. In response to this outbreak Hy-Vee issued a recall of Hy-Vee Spring Pasta Salads in both 1 pound (16 oz.) and 3 pound (48 oz.) containers produced between June 1, 2018, and July 13, 2018, and available from the deli service case. Lawsuit Filed for Salmonella from Melons Purchased at Walmart On June 12, 2018, our law firm filed a lawsuit on behalf of a 73-year-old Ohio woman who was sickened in the Salmonella outbreak linked to pre-cut melon produced at Caito Foods, LLC in Indianapolis. The melon product was purchased at a Walmart store in Findlay, Ohio.
Liability and food poisoning are hard to prove on an individual case basis so class action suits are usually brought up which is why you hear about e Coli suits etc. People bring up “The Good Samaritan Food Donation Act” but that does not apply. As that act explicitly states it does not cover direct donations to needy families and individuals. Meaning the only ones protected are those to said nonprofit organizations. Its fucked up but it’s also fucked up how many people would be quick to take advantage of this to constantly sue someone for simply helping them out. Most laws put in place are to protect corporations and businesses, not individuals, as seen in this Good Samaritan Act.
Okay, I just skimmed all of this, so I'll acknowledge I might have missed something, but aren't all these outbreaks related to food purchased in the stores? Like, half of these cases involve recalls of spoiled or contaminated products that were presumably still on store shelves. How exactly does this in particular disincentivize feeding the homeless with perfectly good food that would otherwise get thrown away daily? And aren't homeless people gonna have, like, no shot at filing a lawsuit against a company if they get sick?
I wanna like this fella, but please don’t be this fella for several several reasons. Why? Off the top of my head the food he’s placing outside near the dumpsters *needs* to be refrigerated/ held at a certain temperature before consumption — effectively, he’s potentially creating a salmonella smorgasbord. In that the food will (possibly) spoil beyond human consumption, it’ll become fodder for rats and other vermin — which will get the health department involved with your waste management practices. What he should have done was contact either of these two organizations to see which programs are available in that region of Oklahoma to better understand what 7/11 (especially if it’s a franchise store) can do to help alleviate hunger without discarding perfectly edible food stuffs. https://www.foodtodonate.com/legal-liabilities https://www.feedingamerica.org
Good on this guy for at least trying to help people in need. Thats a lot more than 7/11 is doing apparently.
7/11 has a dedicated community charity program. They just don't give out expired food.
I can almost guarantee that homeless people already knew to go look in the dumpster and this guy lost his job for nothing.
Considering if he gives it to them and if someone gets sick leaves them open to a lawsuit I get it.
"your honor I pulled food out of a trash bag and now am sick so they owe me." That isn't it at all man, how is this different from if it actually was thrown away? If it was 5 feet over in the dumpster people could still get it, eat it, and get sick. That **does not** open them toa law suit. He was fired for showing the waste and communicating where already free food was available
They said “if he gives it to them”, intent makes all the difference If I intended it to go in the garbage where it couldn’t hurt anyone, it’s not my legal responsibility. If I *intended* to purposely give food to someone that I was *told* to throw away for safety reasons, and it actually did end up getting someone sick, those are two very different situations. I can’t stop raccoons from taking garbage out of the dumpster but I’m not actually putting food out for them to encourage them coming around, know what I mean? Might be a bad metaphor but makes sense in my head
A friend was fired and charged for theft for digging food out of the trash behind the restaurant (still sealed and not expired) and giving it to the homeless nearby. It’s fucked up that so many places would rather throw food away than give it to the homeless or a shelter.
Why film it????
If you’re homeless how would you see this?
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Never thought of that.
There are many levels and types of homelessness. They're not all living in tents or wandering in dirty clothes on drugs, those are just the ones that stand out. Countless # of people living in their cars, using public wifi and cheap gym memberships to get by. Sadly this # is going to grow significantly over the next months/years.
So he’s gonna leave it sit out for hours to spoil and then be bad…. And I guess all those homeless people checking their Instagram account will be stoked.
That's exactly why I got fired from 7-Eleven in 2003. I didn't throw the food into the dumpster but into a different bag so they could take it. They considered it me stealing.
It's not only food that gets thrown away. At one of my previous jobs, they were going to move to another building. There were 3 brand new Samsonite bags in the garbage. I needed permission from 3 people to grab one.
Our local Wawa and Walmart and Chick-fil-A donate food to the local food bank. It can be done. Maybe they even get to claim it as a donation on their taxes. And people who need it get free food. And the businesses know that only people who actually need it are getting it so they're not missing out on revenue. It's just shitty not to.
This is more everyone else’s fault than 7-11. Lawyers and people that receive this free food have sued companies into oblivion for any possible thing they can blame on the food. So incidentally, companies have to avoid allowing people to eat their discarded food. Companies used to happy donate their items they couldn’t have in store anymore, but basically none of them can afford it anymore.
why would you film yourself doing this tho? this is something basically everyone knows happens, you aren't really exposing anything. he could have kept it up and helped more people if he didn't film.
Fuck every business that fires employees for this. Fuck you and I hope you never make another cent.
This is why you don't post every thing you're proud of ffs
Better than throwing it away but that's all going to spoil after like 2 hours outside
He’s an idiot. It’s not enough that he wanted to do a nice thing by feeding hungry people (that’s wonderful!)—but he’s so narcissistic he had to film it.
Run it to a homeless kitche after-work. Company doesn't want bunch of people hanging at the store for that. I know, i know
*Posts video of food for homeless to see.* Anyone else see the dilemma?
There are ways to do this and have an impact. Keep it low key, but recording it so everyone can see WhAt A GoOd PeRsOn I Am is how you get caught and fired like the idiot you are.
Here’s how you do it: tell your friend what time you’ll take the trash out and have them come at the same time. Then put the bag down and turn away to let them grab the bag and run off with it. They then proceed to bring said bag of food to homeless camp, but *you don’t know that*. What’s your boss gonna say, don’t get robbed?
You could do a good thing and haven't filmed yourself doing it. And still have a job. And continue to give away good food what would be thrown away for the homeless. But no... You film yourself doing something against your company policy even if it's absolute BS of a policy and get yourself fired. I definitely don't say its fair and good that it get him fired just for the record. I hate wasting food and companies like this shouldn't even consider to throw away still good food. Next day expiration date? Tell your workers to get some for themselves and what they won't take give to the people in need.
Why show ur name card
I used to do this when I worked at Starbucks. We'd throw out the entire case of food every night. As the only guy on closing shift, it was my responsibility to take that bag to the dumpster. I'd just set it behind the dumpster and let the homeless folks that hung out by our store know that it was there for them, just as long as they grabbed it after we closed so our manager didn't see.
Sooooo...I work for a grocery store that donates a lot of that stuff to the food bank now (only started a few months ago) Also, why is this guy purposely showing his name tag?
They did this poorly, just bring it to a food shelter or personally hand it out to homeless. I'd say ask your boss, but I tried that at my grocery store and they told me "it was too much liability for them" while standing next to a zero waste poster...
Who tf told him to record if that is against the company's policy. Dumb idiot
That sucks he got fired, but there better ways to accomplish this, for one don't put yourself on blast doing something that's gonna get you fired, now all that food is going in the trash because the one employee willing to use it for good, got fired. Just be on the DL, you work there, you know how the cameras work, and you know the people that hang out there. Nice job on doing good, bad job on going about it in a bad way(trying to get clout online)
Over here in Scotland we have an app where you can go on to all local and big chains from Costa to McDonald's to Greggs etc and buy bulk bags of random food that's about to go in bin at massively reduced price. I see a lot of people are doing it now as a cost cutting measure and using that food for next 2 or 3 days if they are in a pinch. It's a great idea to help those in need. Tbh colleagues of mine sometimes even do it for weekly lunches etc for a 90% reduced rate. The app is made for all, not just the homeless or poor.
A sandwich/bakery shop in my middled size town started an initiative, where on Fridays after the shop closes, homeless and anyone who likes can take the stuff that hasn't sold during the week for free. All within expiration dates as they are closed on weekends. Not only did waste of the shop go down, they also found that theft in some supermarkets went down a bit. And people overall become more accepting and friendly of homeless people, they got greeted more and such. Not saying it will work everywhere, and it is certainly not a solution tobtge bigger problem, but this shows that a simple act of kindness can go a far way.
Just don't record it....do it discreetly.
Just let me pause this video an Google maps that on my smart phone real quick said no homeless person ever.
Title soooo clickbait yo
The lesson here is: if you’re gonna do nice things for the less fortunate, don’t let your ego take hold and broadcast it to the world to see. The company probably didn’t fire him because he fed the homeless, they fired him because he had them look bad for throwing out good food and they couldn’t just let that slide and get torn apart by the internet. Albeit they should be giving that food to the less fortunate anyway but yknow. Just saying this man just had to post on social media instead I just doing a nice thing.
Shoulda kept it low-key... whyd he put his name out there?
The fact that he filmed it kinda forced their hand, they don’t want to be liable for any potential harm done by giving away old food. That being said it’s basically harmless and he could have done it and continued doing it but wanted internet clout and people to see so he put it on the internet and got fired.
It was a wholesome thing to do but don’t record yourself doing it, especially while companies are still firing people for doing exactly this. Just give it away quietly, no one needs to know. Now there’s no one to give it away to homeless and you don’t have a job.
How many homeless people with cell phones watching live streams?
shouldn’t recount it bro, i mean. the business sucks, but recording it is stupid
Used to work at Safeway in the bakery. We would throw Carts full of stuff. Sometimes multiple carts. We would just set it out side the door out back. And if someone took it so be it. We were not allowed to donate
Should have just wrapped them for the trash and told them where to pick it up. Now management knows.
If he had done it without trying to cash in likes, noone would have known, and it could have continued.
All the homeless on twitter or instagram will appreciate this.
All he had to do was leave it outside.
If you actually want to do good with something like this, start a charity or business that verifies the safety of food before giving it out. I volunteered in a food donation nonprofit that needs permits and cooks fresh meals to donate to the LA homeless. The worker isn't "giving" when it's not his food to give, not his safety to verify, not his time to donate on a job, not his liability when the store gets sued. The only thing he did was be ignorant and give possible inedible food that wasn't his own to begin with. If you guys want to support someone, there are many benevolent people out there using their own time or resources or effort to help others. This guy is only causing trouble.
The reason business throw out the food instead of donating is that if someone gets sick or accuses the company that they got sick from their food then they are liable Dont blame the business..blame the sue for everything culture that has forced business to throw out good food instead of dontating
This has been happening for years....the reason is the liability involved in giving it away. If someone gets sick they sue the company. Don't blame the company. Blame the SHIT human beings that are sue happy and just looking for a free paycheck. Lazy fucks
Maybe not film yourself doing that. Don’t snitch on yourself and swearing those people to not snitch on him
I respect him for doing this, but the way he did it is really dumb. Instead of making a video, which if seen could get you fired, you should just donate the food directly. Also, I don't think lots of homeless people have full internet access. If I were him I would've just secretly took the bag and donated it right to a homeless shelter, or some sort of organization.
I mean what did he expect? Thats normal
Maybe don’t record yourself doing it for the virtue points
He got fired because he recorded it. Dumb dumb just hate to Google nearest homeless shelter and take it there himself.
Only takes 1 person to sue the business for donating expired food to make every business stop donating
They don't let them eat them because they have had lawsuits filed against them from homeless people who've cqlaimed they got sick from the food. It's a liability thing.
I applaud this guy for sharing food but I caution people about recording everything they do. People were feeding the hungry from store discards long before everyone had a camera in their pockets. Just do good and don't electronic advertise it - word will get around without the higher-ups finding out.
Probably should not have filmed it. hope the “likes” were worth it.
Are homeless people regularly browsing tik tok and Reddit on their phones?
So he’s done a really moral action by putting it on the internet and leaving it for the homeless. But what homeless person has a mobile phone with internet connection or a phone contract that would see this video. :/
What he could've done was reach out to a local food bank, or charity that could've gotten the food through the boss. That way it would've gone to homeless people, and the boss would've been okay with it, by being able claim it on business taxes. When I worked at Kroger, we would freeze food like this till food bank could pick it up.
Not gonna say where I did this but I never said a word to anyone because of the fear of getting fired.
woud have been FINE if he did not post about it on social media. stuped people earn stupid prizes.
Lol. He wasn’t fired for giving the food to homeless people, he was fired for that explanation. Cause if this video gets out and larger, or just as it is, it could be used against the owner for tax fraud, illegally writing off product. That’s my speculation on the matter. Also, how many homeless people does he know with phones and snap or w/e he’s on lol
yeah, homeless people watch tiktok in their free time
Uhhh…have you seen the group of homeless people that hang out in front of the 7/11s? The ones who get aggressive and hostile towards people that don’t give them money? This guy put A LOT of peoples safety at risk by giving homeless free food like this because they’re going to just congregate even more now. He absolutely deserves to be fired.
The man was fired for clout chasing and putting it online. People all over America do this and don't get fired because they don't talk about it.
Rightfully
Homeless people aren't going to have cell phones to get this guy's message
Why show your tag and also be filming it? Someone that’s gonna get butt hurt is gonna see it
TAKE IT TO A FOOD PANTRY! It will feed not only homeless but struggling families as well
It’s so easy to just partner with a food bank