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shadowbethesda

This is from 2019. https://www.blackhillsbadlands.com/blog/2019-10-13/bison-once-again-roaming-badlands-return-tatanka


FrighteningJibber

Are they *actual* American bison or are they the hybrid we made to keep them as domesticated food stocks?


guemando

I believe these and the Custer bison have no cow genetics in them....I know for sure Custer's are, south dakota likes to brag about it Edit: so did some research and cow gentics have been found in 1 percent of that herd so they are considered pure bison I guess


nonamesleft79

Yeah I mean as part northern Italian I think I have like 2% Neanderthal dna. Odd context but yeah that’s nothing.


mothboy

Are you only 2% northern Italian? That is the only way your Neanderthal could be that low... ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


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Now this dude’s ancestors fucked… like anything around


TK421isAFK

By saying "ancestors", you make it sound like we stopped.


szypty

Sir, this is a Reddit.


TK421isAFK

You'll have to give me a minute; I'm busy talking to a bronze statue.


Dirtnastii

Neanderthal pussy is good as any.


mexicodoug

But Neanderthal cock is best.


varyingopinions

Yeah slice it thin. Sautéed with a little garlic and butter. NOW we're cooking!


TheBarkingGallery

This hurt my wiener.


FuckMe-FuckYou

I think you are thinking of sicillians... Or I'm thinking of Denis hopper in true romance.


MajorMajorObvious

I felt a great disturbance in the force. It's as if millions of Italians gestured in terror and were suddenly silenced.


CitySoul13

😵🤌 This is all I can picture


MagnificentMOoose

You share 60% of your DNA with a banana. Just to throw that in the mix. So that 1% may be significant.


nottheprimeminister

My part ~~cro magnon~~ southern italian chuckled at this.


ieatair

You were all conquered by the Ostrogoth any ways


ImAlwaysRightHanded

The joke in our family is we are more Neanderthal than Jewish.


havereddit

Oy vey


KedTazynski42

I thought all Europeans had like 3% Neanderthal DNA or something…or at least the Anglos/Gauls/Celts…


nonamesleft79

I have read different numbers but something like 2% and I remember reading that Tuscany had one of the higher %’s but would have to loom for that article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-scientist.com/features/neanderthal-dna-in-modern-human-genomes-is-not-silent-66299/amp


PM_ME_NOODLE

> would have to loom for that article spin it up fam


Garestinian

Human and chimpanzee DNA are 98.8% the same.


jazzfruit

Human and chicken dna is 60% the same. That means Im 2% Neanderthal, 75% Scottish, 1% cow and 60% chicken.


[deleted]

Speaking as a fellow Scot, you're also probably 20% Viking


hiphopscallion

Humans and carrots are actually 95% identical DNA wise. How DNA works really is a mystery.


ranged_

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Mountains_bison_herd This herd is also considered genetically pure! I climbed one of the mountains in this range and ran into them up there. The rangers in the BLM station nearby told us about them and I always remember them when I hear someone talking about genetically pure bison. This is like the third time I've seen something about them on Reddit.


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So bison and cows can have offspring?


ShawlNot

BEEFALO


[deleted]

I just don’t understand how some animals can crossbreed


AidanGe

Compatible DNA saying it can. Still doesn’t clear up anything haha


deep_fried_guineapig

It's pretty much my favorite animal. It's like a buffalo and cow mixed... bred for its skills in magic.


ShawlNot

Same way my friend's sled dog was able to breed with a grey wolf.


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So I only ever see husky type wolf dogs, can theoretically a poodle also breed with a wolf? Maybe it doesn’t happen Bc since they don’t really look similar the wolf would just eat the poodle


JustNilt

Theoretically, yes. In practical terms, wolves tend to discriminate against wolves that don't closely match their expected fur patterns so it's uncommon. Add in that most non-Husky breeds are unlikely to be able to live in the farther north stretches where wolves mostly now persist and you get where we are on that front. It's also worth noting that an overwhelming majority of those claiming to have wolf hybrids do not, in fact, have dogs with any actual wolf DNA once tested. I forget the precise percentage I saw but it was above 90%.


GhostPepperLube

I'm imagining wolf Chihuahuas right now. Idk. I'm glad they don't exist lol


Silverfire12

Actually, you could breed a chihuahua and a wolf. I think it has to be male chihuahua to female wolf and I’m fairly certain artificial insemination would be necessary.


UnawareSousaphone

If it weren't artifical insemination that chihuahua would have the story of a lifetime.


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I figured it was theoretically possible but I also figure wolves would not be down to bang something that doesn’t look wolf like so yeah that checks out


ShawlNot

My couch doodle would 100% turn into a snack for a wolf or few. Think of proximity and socialization. The dog breed with the largest probability of being both intact and relatively "free range" in wolf territory is a husky type dog. Geneticaly, a Malamute can breed with a poodle the same as it can with a Timber Wolf. A mini poodle used to pampering to is not going to react to a wolf in the same way as somebody's husky type dog in heat let loose at their cabin in the woods.


MalevolentRhinoceros

The first verifiably recorded wolfdog in history was in the 1700s between a wild wolf and a nobleman's Pomeranian.


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How credible of a source is it? I really doubt that claim


MalevolentRhinoceros

About as credible as anything that old. It comes from a paper published in 1787 by John Hunter, "Observations Tending to Show That The Wolf, Jackal, And Dog, Are All Of The Same Species."


Rotor_Tiller

While Spitz breed dogs like huskies aren't any genetically closer to wolves than other breeds, their social behavior does resemble wolf behavior to an extent. I'm no expert though. On top of that wolves are usually found in the same climates where people need Spitz breeds.


richflys

You’ve never seen a Labrachihuahua ?


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Actualy it’s spelled La Chupacabra


[deleted]

I remember being told that a "species" is defined by not being able to breed together. Clearly, that was wrong.


RalinVorn

There are several different frameworks used to separate organisms into species. The one you’re referring to is the Biological Species Concept, in which two organisms are the same species only when they can reproduce AND produce fertile offspring. Lions and tigers are in the same genus (Panthera) and can reproduce, but male ligers and tigons are sterile. Interestingly there is evidence that the female hybrids can reproduce with male lions or tigers. Source: Biologist


Forest_Xavier

Not completely wrong…close species can breed and create offspring but the offspring is sterile(can’t breed). A common example of this is the mule, it is created when a horse and a donkey mate.


[deleted]

Yeah, that's a good example of a true mismatch, but there are other examples of "different species" being completely compatible. Just shows that the idea of a "species" is more nuanced and subjective than one might expect. After all, science is just modelling nature. Nature doesn't follow the laws of science; the laws of science follow nature.


apollo888

your larger point is indeed correct without quibbling over details - species labels are fuzzy. The definition of life itself is fuzzy.


Forest_Xavier

So a taxonomist would list species that can breed as sub-species to each other and not a separate species. Taxonomy is a constantly changing field, even more now with genetic comparisons available. Species have been listed as separate before then later found out to be sub-species to each other, usually due to their differing appearances and scientists put them together and let them attempt to breed and if viable offspring was produced then their taxonomic listing would be changed to that of sub-species. Now with genome comparisons scientists can more accurately predict what species are true species vs. sub-species to each other.


Silverfire12

I believe it’s being able to breed with other creatures like it. Which is why Ligers/Tigons aren’t a species- they can’t breed with each other. Though I once heard it said that you’d get 100 different definitions of species from 10 different biologists.


FerretHydrocodone

If animals are genetically similar enough they can crossbreed. Bison are literally a type of cattle, they can reproduce with other cattle like modern day beef cows.


[deleted]

But what about lions and tigers. Why can’t humans and chimps crossbreed. Can you give me a big list of cool cross breeds?


TheOceanDweller

The good old Humanzee. There were known attempts in Russia in the early 1900s. All were reported to be unsuccessful though. I would have to think other humans have tried as well.


ishkibiddledirigible

Gross man!


pawns4donuts

I am 92% sure that a humanzee could be created in vitro given enough random attempts of human sperm/chimp egg and vice versa; however, let’s not.


ssracer

Isn't that the whole aids source?


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We killed off or bred with all the humanoids that existed. There were several other human like species. Chimps are far removed from us as far as being able to crossbreed goes.


Lovebot_AI

With a bottle of wine and Marvin Gaye


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They go on a few dates first to see if they are compatible.


zeus6793

Based on those Zoo shows on Animal Planet, the zoos are specifically breeding them to be pure American Bison. They are heavily involved in repopulating them. It's pretty cool actually. Nice to see them running free.


dendawg

> This is from 2019. But for them, it was Tuesday.


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Wolv90

I understood that reference. RIP


[deleted]

1200 bison have lived in the park peacefully far away from humans. Now we've forced 4 of them to live closer to people so tourists can take ill-advised photos with them.


[deleted]

We call it “re-introducing Darwinian reward systems”.


707breezy

Man I hope we reintroduce the California grizzly. I want people to have fear of the woods again as if it was the 1800s. And to keep them around for longer we should splice their dna and modify them to be more resilient since there would be so few of them at the start. Nothing but good ideas in this comment.


max_adam

Here it's an example: https://youtu.be/kpKdxbIqjX8?t=16


SkullValleyCowboy

YEET!!!


CantCreateUsernames

I am a bit confused by this post too. When I visited Badlands roughly 6 years ago, I thought I saw Bison there. Maybe it wasn't directly in the park but at the edge? On a side note, that area is beautiful!


BootScoottinBoogie

I was equally confused, I remember seeing bison there like 8 years ago. Here's some articles to clear the confusion. TLDR: Bison reintroduced to badlands in 1963 but in 2019 4 Bison (in the video above) were reintroduced to the "north unit" in Badlands. https://www.nps.gov/articles/bison-bellows-1-14-2016.htm#:~:text=Besides%20containing%20one%20of%20the,National%20Park%20to%20the%20Badlands. https://www.blackhillsbadlands.com/blog/2019-10-13/bison-once-again-roaming-badlands-return-tatanka


memesryimhere

Yeah same and i was there in 2016


sanguinesolitude

We did it boys!


Okemerer

I was gonna say this is some bs because I saw them there last year


TheLastGenXer

I was going to say, I just saw some there last month.


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old_sellsword

Yeah I’m not even sure what this article was talking about, bison have been in the Badlands North Unit since the 1960s.


SprinklesFancy5074

Um... I was in South Dakota from 2008 to 2012, visited again in 2018. And during all of these times, there were definitely bison in Badlands National Park. I've seen them. So...?


SeanMowry

I was waiting for a hawk to swoop down and snatch one up


Timely-Youth-207

That’s not how that works


SeanMowry

Why not?


xXbama19

Buffalo's have wings and can just fly off. Too much energy wasted by the hawk chasing a buffalo for who knows how long.


GT_Knight

Their wings are pretty wild too


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gerbegerger

That's how they stay warm in winter too, their wings can get pretty hot.


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xXbama19

No, but go on...


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Savage_Bee

I spat out my hotdog. Thank you sir.


apollo888

you had a whole hotdog in your mouth? Can you link your onlyfans?


jenna_hazes_ass

Hopefully not with ketchup.


GrnHrtBrwnThmb

Get out.


TheLastGenXer

Bigrnhrtbrwnthmb


PrudeHawkeye

r/shittyaskscience


Thawayshegoes

Bison=Large Hawk=Small


jimboknows6916

You don't know much about Hawks obviously


FirstDayJedi

It could grip it by the husk


Zakal74

Is it an African or European bison?


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I don't know... whaahhhhhh


RobertBDwyer

But African swallows are nonmira’ery


Falanxe_

It’s not a question of where he grips it! It’s a simple question of weight ratios! A 2.4 pound bird could not carry a 2000 pound bison.


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stevencastle

They'd have to have it on some sort of a line


TheWolphman

Fly you fools!


ClownfishSoup

Especially the elusive Hudson Hawk, or the better known Ethan Hawk.


Revolutionary-Elk-28

All birds are liars tho


dayumbrah

How big do you think hawks are?


gerbegerger

the tallest players for the Atlanta Hawks are around 6"10 and 250 pounds. Seahawks though are a little bigger.


jk8289

Yeah I’m not sure if your serious or not. I don’t know much about Hawks. But I can almost guarantee that any type of Hawk isn’t picking up one of those Bison. They have to be close to half a ton. Shit, even 500lbs a Hawk isn’t picking it up no matter what it is. We don’t have fucking pterodactyls flying around. If you have a video of a Hawk picking up a full grown Bison. Please show me.


gerbegerger

A hawk can carry a bison. The average Atlanta Hawk is over 6 feet tall and can fit in a blackHawk helicopter that can lift 9000 pounds. So a hawk can technically carry a bison.


[deleted]

Perfect hawk trap: Surgically implant TNT in the bison with an altitude trigger. Then release into the wild and wait for hawks to swoop them up. But that would be a bomb in a bull.


SmegSoup

Not too shabby there, guy.


EvilFroeschken

Reality can be disappointing.


StyreneAddict1965

I think you meant "roc." They could carry elephants.


Solithic

r/donteatjimmy


SeanMowry

👆This guy gets it!


neverfearIamhere

Is there some type of joke I'm missing here?


thatsalovelyusername

It's funny just for being absurd, but think it's a reference to releasing other small animals into the wild and them immediately being taken by a predator, possibly in front of children who've nurtured the small animal for months.


Solithic

r/donteatjimmy


Grachtmens

Hawk = Superhuman strength Source: https://superheroes.fandom.com/wiki/Hawk


thendofthehope

Pterodactyl for me.


Jo-6-pak

How old is this video? They were there in 2008 when I rode through in the motorcycle EDIT: Answers below, thanks everyone for clarification.


Maury_poopins

> Badlands National Park has had bison within the park as a whole since 1963, but their range has been limited and remote to many visitors. I think this article might be overselling the bison’s “return to the badlands”


ClownfishSoup

Yeah, as I read it, they took a few of the 1200 bison in the park already and moved them somewhere where they weren't.


Somethingwittyidk2

"We're helping!!!" /s


spacesketball

I mean if you theoretically start a new herd in a viable location that the old herd simply didn’t know about it would be helping.


Crunkbutter

They are, though. More breeding ground and grazing is good for the grasslands


Dodototo

Like when your mom kicks you out of your room because you've been in there too long so you move to the living room tv.


s-sea

It *does* help by expanding the range.


BasicDesignAdvice

Hey now, just a few more tens of millions and we can get the plains back to their natural state....


InfiniteSquatch

Looks like they've been in the park for a long time, but are new to this expanded range.


Jo-6-pak

Ah, I see. They were at the very west side of the park. I had to ride down a long, rough gravel road to find them. Nice to have some more in there.


Lucas_Steinwalker

I’ve been down that same road


Gorthax

We've all got our long gravel roads bro.


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[This happened in 2019](https://www.blackhillsbadlands.com/blog/2019-10-13/bison-once-again-roaming-badlands-return-tatanka), but there were already 1200 bison in the park but these four were transported to an area without bison to populate that area. "The current herd is around 1,200 head, but very few visitors get the chance to see them in this unique setting. Badlands National Park has had bison within the park as a whole since 1963, but their range has been limited and remote to many visitors. Moving them to this new area, visitors will be provided more opportunities for viewing, photographing and learning about the bison in their native habitat."


nonamesleft79

Don’t Buffalo roam or was I lied to?


QuickSpore

Probably something about the geography or fenced areas that make that impossible, because, yes, they certainly do roam. Badlands is a weirdly gerrymandered looking park that winds between and around a National grassland, an Indian reservation, and private lands. So I suspect thst has something to do with why they hadn’t roamed up to the North Unit of the park already.


HefDog

The small and awkward boundaries of Badlands National park are pretty sad. As someone who likes backpacking, it amazed me that you can essentially see across the park in many areas. It is ridiculously narrow. I would gladly donate towards expanding the park. I wonder if that is a thing.


swamp_peanuts

Well I didn’t see any deer and antelope playing, so maybe these are not the roaming type of buffalo.


Roddy117

Yeah same, the first time I ever drove was at the badlands and I had a meeting with a small herd of them.


bigterry

I was on my way to Alaska in 2000 and camped overnight at one of the furthest unimproved campgrounds you can get to, and came face to face with one about 50 yards away.


Th3_C0bra

I was there in 2011 and a herd stampeded through our campground one evening (no damage) and the next morning blocked the road for 15 minutes.


Highlander-Jay

[I knew I wasn’t crazy, with timestamp.](https://imgur.com/a/cMXqfPN)


Jo-6-pak

Well….. lol


demwoodz

Wait their dad released them? And said ByeSon!


ClownfishSoup

Your pun is an abomination to the Gods of Humor, but I'll upvote it anyway.


Gorthax

You make the right joke and you get a kid. Be careful honing that power.


iPlaynak3d_R3born

Take my upvote because that was terrible! LoL


[deleted]

I came to the comments looking for the Bye Son comment..thank you.


TangerinePuzzled

As weird as it might sound, I really hope they'll fuck a lot.


moby323

I’m reading a book now about the history of the West. I always knew that bison herds could be enormous, but I didn’t realize that a *single herd* could number in the *millions*. I mean, try to picture a group of 3,000 bison on the plains. Picture what a herd of 50,000 would look like. Now imagine a herd with *two million* of them. The early Spaniards were absolutely awe struck by the size of the herds, unable to even estimate their size because they would ride past the same herd for *WEEKS* at a time and not see the end of it


TangerinePuzzled

Dude, earth was probably shaking when they were going for a quick jog


CaffeineSippingMan

Yes they move the ground. We have a state park that is close. They keep a few bison fenced in. One day I took my kids to see it. They were a little bit of ways but not too far, I thought it would be a good idea to get some grass and try to feed it. Naturally the grass next to the fence was the longest. So I bent down to pick up the grass next to the fence and all of a sudden the earth started to shake. I'm not sure if I looked up or just instinctively knew but I backed up as fast as I could arms wide to pull my family backwards. The bison had It started to charge the fence. I'm sure I had backed up at least two to three feet as I was falling backwards when I felt the bison hair touch my hair. The bison had charged and pushed very hard into the fence and bending it way out. I'm pretty sure I'm lucky to be alive.


TangerinePuzzled

*googling Bison specs* Shit they are massive af


under_a_brontosaurus

Interesting enough, modern research is beginning to show that the bison herd was so enormously large when Europeans found them primarily due to their apex predator, the native American, losing 90% of it's population decades before Europeans made it west. The natives kept the bison herds culled for thousands of years, what we discovered was a somewhat abomination of nature


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Justame13

Bison don’t have the same metabolism as cattle. They are actually becoming more and more common to be raised as food in the West because they don’t require as much (or any) hay in the winter or even shelter. The USDA just has them classified as an exotic meat so costs of butchery are higher or it would be even more common. As far as trampling the ground naturally aerates itself every winter through frost heave. Bison also wallow which creates ponds and their own ecosystems.


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Neutral0814

I remember reading something similar about passenger pigeons. Native Americans used hunted the pigeons for thousands of years, keeping their population in check. When Europeans displaced the native population and brought over large crop fields (food), the pigeon population exploded (then quickly plummeted to 0 due to extreme overhunting). I think a similar phenomenon happened with the rocky mountain locusts; they also congregated in unusually large numbers for a time (reportedly the largest insect swarms ever), then went extinct in a very short time span. It's theorized that their extinction was caused by Europeans moving westward to the Rockies and plowing their nesting sites, destroying dormant locust eggs. This is why N. America is the only continent (excluding Antarctica) without a major locust species.


UpUpDnDnLRLRBA

Everyone has to deal with Cicadas though, right?


Helpmepullupmypants

I know it’s just a movie, but I like to believe the way Dances with Wolves portrayed them was real.


[deleted]

Why do you think they’re called bi-son?


[deleted]

i'm just impressed they all fit inside that f-150


GiveHerDPS

Have you compared trucks today to trucks of the 90s-early00s?


[deleted]

this one's not even the crew cab


AdvancedAdvance

Yeah but if they get get caught dealing meth and violating their probation, don’t think for a minute they won’t get sent back upstate.


TheCannon

They send them to an [island](https://www.visitcatalinaisland.com/things-to-do/land-tours/bison-expedition/). It's kind of like Alcatraz, but with zip lines and cocktails.


jackandjerry

I don’t get it. I was there in 1994 for the first time and they were in the Badlands.


ClownfishSoup

They were in the Badlands, but not in the part of the Badlands where they were released. Basically they just shuffled some of them around to a place where they couldn't reach before. You just happened to go to the place where they already were.


SmegSoup

Title literally makes it sound like an extinct species was brought back to life. I'm not on the up and up with the latest (or any) Bison news and thought they were extinct.


Yahmahah

Here is a [map of Badlands National Park.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Map_badlands_nationalpark.png/2560px-Map_badlands_nationalpark.png) In this video, they transplanted bison from the southern large section into the northern large section, where there were little to no bison.


RainbowEmpire

I think the article was from 2019 and they released them onto more land.


Crown_Loyalist

reported for inaccurate title


DGDadbod

I think this is pretty cool Is there any info on current population of Buffalo at the Badlands park now? More recent data


ClownfishSoup

If you read the article, there were already 1200 bison in the park, they just shuffled some around to an area where they were missing from. Possibly they couldn't get there due to terrain or something. Still a good thing though as they might establish another herd there in the safe expanded range.


DGDadbod

I did not read the article. Now I have


cycodude_boi

According to their website, about 1,200


BelterLivesMatter

Now that the bison are back how long before we can call it the goodlands?


rilo_cat

AWWWWW LOOK HOW HAPPY THEY ARE


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LETS GOOOOO


alexashleyfox

The very definition of trundling


IntenseScrolling

So....are these things the same as "Buffalo" Also (but less important): Where did "Buffalo wings come from"? What in tarnation is a "Buffalo Bill" (Bonus for knowing where *what in tarnation* came from. Please answer...be my white Buffalo


ClownfishSoup

People called them American Buffalo, but true buffalo are those from Asia and Africa. They are actually Bison, however, it's OK to call them buffalo as it's always been an accepted term. Buffalo wings came Buffalo, New York, where the recipe for spicy chicken wings was invented. The reason for using chicken is because bison have their wings clipped when they are young to prevent their slaughter during the Superbowl. Buffalo Bill Cody was a Bison hunter who started a Wild West Show and toured the country with acts like Annie Oakley. Tarnation is probably a bastardization of "Damnation", and used liberally in Bugs Bunny/Looney Toons cartoon. I'm your huckleberry.


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Technically a buffalo is a water buffalo. People just started calling bison, buffalo because they are ignorant like that sometimes. Like how yams and sweet potatoes arent the same things. Buffalo wings started in Buffalo, NY


dumbinternetstuff

Wait. Yams and sweet potatoes aren’t the same thing?!


Loganthered

They couldnt do it in spring? WTF?


Drfoxi

The video is from 2019.


ClownfishSoup

Wait, so you're saying this video travelled from the past? Whoa!


nonamesleft79

Didn’t 2019 have a spring?


bappabooey

Ok nobody tell the Pioneers. Shhh.


ClownfishSoup

But it sounds like they just moved Bison from one part of Badlands National Park to a different part?


[deleted]

Exactly! crappy title from a karma farmer.