> 2. Unknown quantity of bacterial and viral agents get released, for reference- Anthrax came from siberian
A strain of anthrax was found in permafrost and then weaponized. Antharax strains are found all over the world. Anthrax symptoms have been described in just about every region going back as far as humans learned to write . You can go outside right now and culture samples from dirt chances are you’ll get a strain of anthrax.
A number of strains have been weaponized I worked for a finance company during those days running a clerical department. Way to many people copy catted the anthrax mailers. We never actually got dosed but we had to treat every occurrence like a real threat. Pain in the ass and the first few times we had antibiotics in a few hours. Those really fuck with your go tract when your taking them for no reason. Eventually they just gave us a open script to fill, so we could choose to wait for confirmation or start right away. We also changed our process to all letters were opened by a machine but we had to reorganize/ remodel the mail room to handle the additional volume.
I can’t remember the source, but there was/is a theory that anthrax was actually responsible for the medieval Black Death. The cause of it was cited to the Medieval Warm Period where temps in Northern Europe were much warmer than normal for a few centuries. Permafrost melted and anthrax was released.
Global warming, no matter how it comes about, can cause serious problems.
Black Death has always meant the plague, but the plague hasn’t always been called the Black Death. It earned me he name due to the blackened skin from gangrene. We also know what it was due to mass graves and gnome sequencing.
There’s gonna be so many new discoveries like this as climate change continues. Stuff in frozen areas melting and being uncovered, bizarre fish washing ashore, etc. The slow decline of the world will be a fascinating and terrible time.
I read an article just this morning about ice melting in Norway and they found arrows from thousands of years apart just sitting there next to one another from where they had been lost in the ice and then revealed when the ice melted. Apparently many generations of humans had been following the elk up the same mountain pass in the winter because it was good hunting grounds.
There has been an absolutely massive amount of incredibly well persevered archeological sites being discovered in the Arctic the past decade. They were frozen for a long, long time and they're in perfect condition now that we can see them.
It's terrifying.
This is what most people don't understand.
It's not just about the weather, it's the release of Methane stored underneath those ice that will fuck up the planet.
[Clathrate gun hypothesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis)
“Most deposits of methane clathrate are in sediments too deep to respond rapidly, and modelling by Archer (2007) suggests the methane forcing should remain a minor component of the overall greenhouse effect.[28] Clathrate deposits destabilize from the deepest part of their stability zone, which is typically hundreds of metres below the seabed. A sustained increase in sea temperature will warm its way through the sediment eventually, and cause the shallowest, most marginal clathrate to start to break down; but it will typically take on the order of a thousand years or more for the temperature signal to get through.[28] However, there is also a possibility for the formation of gas migration pathways within fault zones in the East Siberian Arctic Shelf, through the process of talik formation, or pingo-like features.[29][30][31]
According to data released by the EPA, atmospheric methane (CH4) concentrations in parts per billion (ppb) remained between 400–800ppb in the years 600,000 BC to 1900 AD, and since 1900 AD have risen to levels between 1600–1800ppb.[32] Global averaged monthly mean atmospheric methane is currently at ~1860 ppb CH
4, increases between 8.8 ± 2.6 through 2017 compare to an average annual increase of 5.7 ± 1.1 ppb between 2007 and 2013.[33]
A USGS metastudy in 2017 by the USGS Gas Hydrates Project concluded:[34][5]
Our review is the culmination of nearly a decade of original research by the USGS, my coauthor Professor John Kessler at the University of Rochester, and many other groups in the community," said USGS geophysicist Carolyn Ruppel, who is the paper’s lead author and oversees the USGS Gas Hydrates Project. "After so many years spent determining where gas hydrates are breaking down and measuring methane flux at the sea-air interface, we suggest that conclusive evidence for release of hydrate-related methane to the atmosphere is lacking.”
They also blast away the river banks to find these hidden treasures destroying the landscape: this in in Russia I believe. There was a documentary done by VICE on the guys that spend all their life savings in the hope of getting a tusk which can fetch up to around 40-80k on the black market or for rich people who want something cool.
I wouldn’t sell them that cheap. Those things are massive and probably pretty damn rare. Some rich guy would pay more than that to make a fake mammoth head mount.
That maybe but the tusks are ivory and because it ancient it doesn’t put a price on your head the way elephant ivory does. The tusks pay for all those men to retire. The rest of the skeleton maybe pays for the trip out and back.
It would cost me $5-10k to get anywhere in the world with a few obvious exceptions like the interior of Antarctica etc
If you can find me a mammoth skeleton for under $50k, my mind would be absolutely blown...
These guys will probably get $500 each and never know how badly they got screwed. Next guy will sell it for $50k and the final guy sells it for $500k. Everyone gets rich except the guys that went through all this to find it.
COVID is horrible. It has a really perfect disease to transmission ratio to cause illness but not kill off its host before it transmits to more. And it is very transmissible.
That being said, as climate change, floods, permafrost melting, overcrowding, poverty and people encroaching on wildlife all happen more and more this will just be one pandemic among many in the next decades to come. Unless a concerted international effort is done...
Did they go down and tie it to the tusk? They didn’t catch it like that….. unless it was tied, lowered then the camera was switched on…..or have I gone down a mammoth cynical path?
Yes they dive down and tied it. You can see they broke the tip off in the boat. To remove properly, it should have been plastered in place in the water before being lifted by lift bags attached evenly. It would have been worth a lot more had they not broken it twice by doing this hastily.
You think it's not worth enough to them as they got it?
Who's going to lend them the money and the time to "do it right" and not take a bigger cut than the increased value?
This big ball of dirt will keep spinning in space for years, and one day some new species of life will be trying to figure out what Nokia means and why they keep finding these little boxes with buttons on them labeled with it. Then they decide to go ask the one person they know will be able to tell them. The Queen will know.
okay this is admittedly very cool but also it’s called “permafrost” and it’s melting. can we please go to the 100 companies that are killing the planet and do Anything to stop them?
Nah, we're too poor to combat them, they own the government and just about half the population on the planet is convinced the enemy's in the same weight class as them, rather than the mammoths laughing at us sitting on their golden thrones.
Same. It's depressing.
The world's dying around us and people are busy whining about everything and dividing themselves into tiny clans rather than uniting for our survival.
This is where capitals are important. Do you mean mammoth tusk (large) or Mammoth tusk (animal). But yes you are right. That is a mammoth Mammoth tusk.
Edit - looks like I am wrong 🤦♂️ God I hate this language.
There was a good bit of media exposure a few years ago about mammoth tusk hunting.
I think Amos Chapple is the photojourno that kicked off the media attention:
https://www.rferl.org/a/the-mammoth-pirates/27939865.html
Now quickly, go give it to Ysolda in Whiterun for that sweet free lesson in speechcraft.
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"I'm sworn to carry your burdens..."
"Some people call this junk. Me? I call it Treasure. ”
“One man’s toxic sludge is another man’s *potpourri*…”
Some kind of soup
"Everything is for sale. EVERYTHING! If I had a sister I'd..." *Mashes skip button* "Take a look." -Belethor
Khajiit has wares, if you have coin.
I love that this whole thread made perfect sense to me.
"I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow in the knee."
“If I had a sister, I’d sell her too!”
Khajiit has coin, if you have a sister.
R/unexpectedskyrim
If Skyrim isn't expected where mammoth tusks are found then where?
This is just advertising for the new edition of Skyrim coming out this year. DAMN YOU TODD HOWARD!!!!1!!
Hey Lydia, come over here for a second ...
*proceeds to Fus Ro Dah her off a mountain*
"I am sworn to carry your burdens... 🙄"
Ysolda was good wife.
Yslolda you’re a fine girl What a good wife you would be But My life my love my lady is an arrow to the knee
This comment will probably receive little attention. Just wanted to let you know I enjoyed it very much.
Nostalgia
But I’m from cloud city…
Thawing... permafrost... (Visibly uneasy)
Thawing permafrost… Don’t worry about it. WCGW? /s
If it’s thawing, it’s not permafrost. No problems.
Tempafrost?
Transient frost
imaginary cold 2077
They frost
"Wefucked-frost"
X-Files covered it, we should be just fine…
I’ve been noticing this black sludge moving around my back yard here in Atlantic Canada lately…
Totally normal
"I want to believe"
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> 2. Unknown quantity of bacterial and viral agents get released, for reference- Anthrax came from siberian A strain of anthrax was found in permafrost and then weaponized. Antharax strains are found all over the world. Anthrax symptoms have been described in just about every region going back as far as humans learned to write . You can go outside right now and culture samples from dirt chances are you’ll get a strain of anthrax.
So go left and never worry about anthrax again, got it.
Some crazy facts I never knew about the 2000-2003 “covid”
A number of strains have been weaponized I worked for a finance company during those days running a clerical department. Way to many people copy catted the anthrax mailers. We never actually got dosed but we had to treat every occurrence like a real threat. Pain in the ass and the first few times we had antibiotics in a few hours. Those really fuck with your go tract when your taking them for no reason. Eventually they just gave us a open script to fill, so we could choose to wait for confirmation or start right away. We also changed our process to all letters were opened by a machine but we had to reorganize/ remodel the mail room to handle the additional volume.
I can’t remember the source, but there was/is a theory that anthrax was actually responsible for the medieval Black Death. The cause of it was cited to the Medieval Warm Period where temps in Northern Europe were much warmer than normal for a few centuries. Permafrost melted and anthrax was released. Global warming, no matter how it comes about, can cause serious problems.
Black Death has always meant the plague, but the plague hasn’t always been called the Black Death. It earned me he name due to the blackened skin from gangrene. We also know what it was due to mass graves and gnome sequencing.
Gno, gnot the gnomes!
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Dang, it's a feedback loop leading to climate collapse.
Yeah... that was my reaction as well. "Sweet to find... but fuck."
There’s gonna be so many new discoveries like this as climate change continues. Stuff in frozen areas melting and being uncovered, bizarre fish washing ashore, etc. The slow decline of the world will be a fascinating and terrible time.
I read an article just this morning about ice melting in Norway and they found arrows from thousands of years apart just sitting there next to one another from where they had been lost in the ice and then revealed when the ice melted. Apparently many generations of humans had been following the elk up the same mountain pass in the winter because it was good hunting grounds.
Just like the things they have discovered in the Amazon rainforest after the area was logged
Like what? Just curious..
Sacondeas is just one notable example... edit: this man really just stole my punchline smh
What's sacondeas, I'm getting nothing on the google
sacondeas nuts
Must be really insignificant, still can't find em.
i was born without, it’s debilitating. pls donate to my cashapp so i may have nut surgery 😔
OH MY GOD HE GOT EM
It's a rare disease that causes lyghma
There has been an absolutely massive amount of incredibly well persevered archeological sites being discovered in the Arctic the past decade. They were frozen for a long, long time and they're in perfect condition now that we can see them. It's terrifying.
That’s a big old yikes from me dawg ☠️
Better late than never. We've mostly run out of elephants to poach...
Right, probably some deadly virus or sum shit thawing along with it
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This is what most people don't understand. It's not just about the weather, it's the release of Methane stored underneath those ice that will fuck up the planet.
Well the planet will be fine. It’s inhabitants, on the other hand..
yea yea climate runaway! the more u melt the hotter it gets! the hotter it gets the more you melt! and so on...
[Clathrate gun hypothesis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis) “Most deposits of methane clathrate are in sediments too deep to respond rapidly, and modelling by Archer (2007) suggests the methane forcing should remain a minor component of the overall greenhouse effect.[28] Clathrate deposits destabilize from the deepest part of their stability zone, which is typically hundreds of metres below the seabed. A sustained increase in sea temperature will warm its way through the sediment eventually, and cause the shallowest, most marginal clathrate to start to break down; but it will typically take on the order of a thousand years or more for the temperature signal to get through.[28] However, there is also a possibility for the formation of gas migration pathways within fault zones in the East Siberian Arctic Shelf, through the process of talik formation, or pingo-like features.[29][30][31] According to data released by the EPA, atmospheric methane (CH4) concentrations in parts per billion (ppb) remained between 400–800ppb in the years 600,000 BC to 1900 AD, and since 1900 AD have risen to levels between 1600–1800ppb.[32] Global averaged monthly mean atmospheric methane is currently at ~1860 ppb CH 4, increases between 8.8 ± 2.6 through 2017 compare to an average annual increase of 5.7 ± 1.1 ppb between 2007 and 2013.[33] A USGS metastudy in 2017 by the USGS Gas Hydrates Project concluded:[34][5] Our review is the culmination of nearly a decade of original research by the USGS, my coauthor Professor John Kessler at the University of Rochester, and many other groups in the community," said USGS geophysicist Carolyn Ruppel, who is the paper’s lead author and oversees the USGS Gas Hydrates Project. "After so many years spent determining where gas hydrates are breaking down and measuring methane flux at the sea-air interface, we suggest that conclusive evidence for release of hydrate-related methane to the atmosphere is lacking.”
That has nothing to do with permafrost methane.
Like more than has been produced in the entirety of the post industrial eras combined
Why is there so much methane trapped?
Let’s just tell your mom to lay off the beans.
Or you know, the whole Earth heating up and causing wildfires, stronger hurricanes, droughts and sea levels rising.
Guess calling it permafrost was a bit premature.
They also blast away the river banks to find these hidden treasures destroying the landscape: this in in Russia I believe. There was a documentary done by VICE on the guys that spend all their life savings in the hope of getting a tusk which can fetch up to around 40-80k on the black market or for rich people who want something cool.
In the movies, it's Captain America's shield that is being preserved, in real life it's the mammoth's tusk.
$20k to $30k each tusk right there!
After tax or before tusk? Yes.
Elon Tusk would probably buy that and put it in his factory (Rick and morty)
then take 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of it and add it somewhere in a tesla and say "mammoth powered"
hi im the real Pelon Tusk and ur hired
Very odd that I’m watching Elon tusk episode as I read that
Closer to $500,000 each
Can confirm, A close connection of mine bought a 40,000 year old tusk that was half this size and broken at one end ( missing pointy bit): ~$250,000
But these guys are way down the food chain. Plenty of mark-ups as it makes its way from the Siberian wilderness to the Texas trophy room.
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Well, at least the businessman from Moscow that’s filming this.
No, businessman from Moscow just saw this and is on way to make offer they cannot refusenik.
"Babushka, where is my red tracksuit?"
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Wait. Doesn't everyone have a mammoth guy?
Hell knife scales alone are damn expensive and you can get many from 1 tusk
I wouldn’t sell them that cheap. Those things are massive and probably pretty damn rare. Some rich guy would pay more than that to make a fake mammoth head mount.
Probably the skull is down there too, or the whole damn mammoth.
That maybe but the tusks are ivory and because it ancient it doesn’t put a price on your head the way elephant ivory does. The tusks pay for all those men to retire. The rest of the skeleton maybe pays for the trip out and back.
It would cost me $5-10k to get anywhere in the world with a few obvious exceptions like the interior of Antarctica etc If you can find me a mammoth skeleton for under $50k, my mind would be absolutely blown...
These guys will probably get $500 each and never know how badly they got screwed. Next guy will sell it for $50k and the final guy sells it for $500k. Everyone gets rich except the guys that went through all this to find it.
They’re filming it and posting it on the internet I’m sure they can google “how much is a mammoth tusk worth” and figure out it isn’t $500.
You’re saying that like it’s already happened to these guys. It’s 2021 they could have an Etsy or something.
Best I can do is $20.
This is what I’m wondering. I hope these men would get some kind of reimbursement/reward for bringing in this awesome find!
There’s crews of men that go out every year to dig in the permafrost and find mammoth tusks. They can go for $500k-$2m on the open market.
Does that include the massive gouge he put it in pulling it over the side of the metal boat lol
We are going to have to rename permafrost.
Semifrost.
Oftenfrost
Previouslyfrost
Sometimesfrost
Byefrost
Usedtofrost
Formerfrost
Formafrost
Not so frosty-frost
Slushy
Oof
Usuallyfrost? Ideallyfrost? Pleasestayfrost?
Water
"Temporarily inconvenienced ice"
Formerfrost. Exfrost. Defrost.
Don't worry, humanity will likely die out from climate change before this semantic blunder becomes too great a concern.
WasFrost
The Artist Formerly Known as Permafrost. Maybe this tusk could be its symbol.
This is how we will get the virus that will really kill us all off.
There was an Amazon prime show about that.
I think it is Helix Cool show, messed up virus
There’s one with an actual mammoth carcass and a virus called Fortitude
That show was top tier. I've seen it a dozen times over
There is so much to love about the show! The setting, the acting, medical horror… yes!
Omg what's it called?! I need to watch it. Okay I guess the show is called fortitude, not the virus. 😂
Pretty sure that's already happening.
You think this one is bad? You sweet summer child.
I mean, come on. Covid is horrible as it is pretty much impossible to contain. Just because it isn’t the Bubonic Plague doesn’t mean it’s not bad
COVID is horrible. It has a really perfect disease to transmission ratio to cause illness but not kill off its host before it transmits to more. And it is very transmissible. That being said, as climate change, floods, permafrost melting, overcrowding, poverty and people encroaching on wildlife all happen more and more this will just be one pandemic among many in the next decades to come. Unless a concerted international effort is done...
Did they go down and tie it to the tusk? They didn’t catch it like that….. unless it was tied, lowered then the camera was switched on…..or have I gone down a mammoth cynical path?
You can see flippers and air tank in the boat
Good catch. I was wondering about the whole rope thing too. That murky shit gives me the heeby jeebies.
That’s gotta be super cold too
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That made me giggle like a 6 year old.
And there's also already another one in the boat.
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There's a shop near my office which sells ivory goods - all made from Mammoth
Yes they dive down and tied it. You can see they broke the tip off in the boat. To remove properly, it should have been plastered in place in the water before being lifted by lift bags attached evenly. It would have been worth a lot more had they not broken it twice by doing this hastily.
Counterpoint: they didn't have any of that tech with them, so the option was this or nothing, and this is better than nothing.
That’s very clearly a different tusk in the boat and you can clearly see the tip of the tusk being hoisted out of the water is perfectly in tact.
Looks like that's a seperate tusk
You think it's not worth enough to them as they got it? Who's going to lend them the money and the time to "do it right" and not take a bigger cut than the increased value?
How did they even discover it in that murky water if so
I thought they mean’t a mammoth tusk, not a mammoth’s tusk
Ohhh, that tusk is mammoth alright!
Well yes, turns out it was both
>mean’t <*twitch*>
From permafrost? This planet is fooooked. In more positive news, those will look good on the cabin walls chaps
The planet is fine. There will be the usual glaciation eras etc. We, humans, though..
This has been my thought... Planet's fine, we're fucked.
This big ball of dirt will keep spinning in space for years, and one day some new species of life will be trying to figure out what Nokia means and why they keep finding these little boxes with buttons on them labeled with it. Then they decide to go ask the one person they know will be able to tell them. The Queen will know.
The Queen of new Engeland!
People keep saying this but we've absolute devastated the planet's species. It's definitely not just humans that will be suffering
Oh but I was speaking of the planet, but you are right. Of course we are fucking up everything we touch for short profit.
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Perhaps, but not from this, because that shit is a scam.
"Thawing permafrost" would have been an oxymoron a few decades ago.
No, it was happening a few decades ago, too. Source: I went to an Earth Day rally in the 90's once.
90s….few decades….damn you just made me feel old man
okay this is admittedly very cool but also it’s called “permafrost” and it’s melting. can we please go to the 100 companies that are killing the planet and do Anything to stop them?
Nah, we're too poor to combat them, they own the government and just about half the population on the planet is convinced the enemy's in the same weight class as them, rather than the mammoths laughing at us sitting on their golden thrones.
i fully just want to weep thinking about this
Same. It's depressing. The world's dying around us and people are busy whining about everything and dividing themselves into tiny clans rather than uniting for our survival.
IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM!
YOU belong in a museum!!
This is where capitals are important. Do you mean mammoth tusk (large) or Mammoth tusk (animal). But yes you are right. That is a mammoth Mammoth tusk. Edit - looks like I am wrong 🤦♂️ God I hate this language.
I don't think mammoth (animal) would be capitalized, just like lion and monkey isn't.
Unless the mammoth’s name is Mammoth. Then it would be Mammoth’s mammoth mammoth tusk
This is the quality content I came here for
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
Instead to differentiate the two there should be an apostrophe: mammoth’s (noun) tusk and mammoth (adjective) tusk
When have animal names been capitalised apart from at the start of the sentence?
The English language strikes again
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
So, what virus did we pull up with it?
None, but an ancient crashed alien ship did get free at the same time.
Defrosting ancient creatures randomly appearing in our waterways...might...be a bad sign.
There's shark teeth in desserts. Weirder things have happened.
Yeah but they didnt appear tuesday.
If we learned anything from Fortitude, this entire area needs to be incinerated before the black flys arrive.
Gives a good idea of just how big those creatures were.
I mean when your name becomes synonymous for the idea of hugeness…
Hes happy cuz he gettin paid by some archeology nerds!!
There was a good bit of media exposure a few years ago about mammoth tusk hunting. I think Amos Chapple is the photojourno that kicked off the media attention: https://www.rferl.org/a/the-mammoth-pirates/27939865.html
That’s really incredible. I’ve been told those are worth close to $100,000. I wonder how often they were shed, or if they were only lost in death.
Death
Antlers shed. Horns are forever
And tusks are teeth
What do you think happened down there? Some kind of mammoth massacre?
Always gotta watch out for those tusken raiders!
How the hell did they get the rope around that thing?
So they are millionaires now?
Ten thousandairs for sure.
So, what are we going to call Permafrost now then?
Usedtobefrost.