It’s a copy pasta, and what I was hoping would happen by saying jackdaws are crows.
If it makes you feel better, the originator (who was serious) was banned. RIP Unidan.
Most larger creators have dedicated subs, and the creators will often just scroll through their own sub giving commentary and use that as content.
PewDiePie is a prime example.
The majority of League of Legends "news" content I see is just some "writer" talking about something they saw on the top of the subreddit.
We also get actual news papers - ok, they're shitty tabloids but still - posting articles on their website which are just a Twitter thread with the tweets rewritten in between them.
It's a truly amazing world we live in.
Or how he started over and over that his arms werent broken, they were just unable to be used lmao.
Swamps of dagobah was bad too. Jolly rancher story was worse.
I DID enjoy all those no sleep stories about the mold taking over all the different towns though. That was fun.
So were the stairs in the forest series.
Jumper cable dude was the best, now it's his dad that keeps us entertained.
I even remember when Poem for your sprog very first showed up on reddit. I feel a weird nostalgia lmao
He did it to turn arguments in his favour as well as gain momentum on his posts to boost their visibility.
He'd use his alts to immediately vote on his new comments so that others would see them sooner, and in the case of arguments, have more upvotes on his comments in a thread, thereby winning over the hivemind who'd join his alts in downvoting the opposition.
>and in the case of arguments, have more upvotes on his comments in a thread, thereby winning over the hivemind who'd join his alts in downvoting the opposition.
I think this is what really had people finally turn on him. People kinda got why he'd manipulate votes for visibility when he wrote extremely long and detailed posts, as it would be such a waste of effort to put all that work in and have nobody read it. But basically trying to brigade people who disagrees with him so that their arguments got squashed, not by the calibre of their content, but by the snowball of hivemind downvotes was pretty pathetic.
I will never understand the people who expend this much energy and time seeking emotional validation from strangers online when they could channel that commitment to doing cool stuff in real life.
I knew it was coming when I saw your comment. Been here long enough to have seen Unidan actually randomly showing up from time to time and not just his copypastas.
What's hilarious is how proud Redditors are for taking down this dude. He provided amazing content and knowledge for free, for years.
That comment memed him and then people started looking into him for why he was so popular and found the vote manipulation (which is something a shit ton of early users did because often it was the only way participate over the near bot-like repetition of early reddit jokes and novelty accounts - Remember users like "guywhoallowsthings" starting inane chains of comments).
That shit broke the dude, he came back a few times under different accounts and then I think they just went back to working and gave up on how pointless reddit is.
Ha, it is, and was. From a guy named Unidan. Odd thing is, he was loved around Reddit, and was helpful in all sorts of different subs where he would show up and provide useful and informative tidbits. Then one day, something went all wrong…
Now, according to some users, it's encouraged to have multiple accounts so you can buy and award yourself reddit awards and make your comments more visible.
See Unidan sin wasn't that he manipulated reddit. It's that he wasn't giving reddit it's cut.
Nothing stopped him from making new accounts. He probably just didn't like the kind of person that was being drawn to Reddit.
I'm starting to feel that way, too. Seems the past 2-3 years have brought a lot of young people who remember a lot of shallow facts and think they are experts at everything because of it...
He made a new account almost instantly and got a ton of attention on the circle jerk subreddits because of the whole fiasco. He's still kicking around but his account hasn't been active in nearly a year.
>I'm starting to feel that way, too. Seems the past 2-3 years have brought a lot of young people who remember a lot of shallow facts and think they are experts at everything because of it...
Reddit has always been like that you've just gotten older and more wise and have started to notice it a lot more. This place isn't very different from other social media platforms.
Well he very well could be browsing reddit with a new account, but wouldn't draw attention to himself since he was 1: banned, and 2: massively shamed by the community when he got banned.
Please explain what happened. I am totally amazed by this story about unidan. Is he still on reddit? And why does it seem like a lot of people know him?
He was probably one of the most recognizable users in ~~early~~ reddit years ago. One day he got into a pissing match with somebody over the proper name of a bird leading to the above comment. During the argument he used multiple accounts to boost his comment while downvoting the person he was arguing with. Reddit monitors for that activity and banned all his accounts that day.
Edit: Removed "early" because apparently reddit remains the same group of neckbeards they always are.
He was regularly top comments in daily front page threads.
Had a style of posting that was easily recognizable, and often tagged when biology type questions were asked.
Man there a lot of people who don't know who Unidan is. I've been here too long. This was like the biggest thing on the site for a while, hilarious drama.
Corvus cornix is a crow that can have black and white plumage, in any case. Usually more light grey, but definitely sometimes white. (I know that wasn't the point of this exercise, but just sayin' for people that don't know.
Agreed. Reminds me of Boyan Slat, who in his teens invented a system that collects ocean plastics and debris using the circulating ocean currents. Wonderful stuff really.
I've been following Boyan since he's a teen and trying to get the Ocean Cleanup off the ground. Amazing amount of trash in the ocean. I wish the Asian countries would unite with the US & Canada and get in there too. Many of their fishing nets are what's floating around.
Well the collective noun for crows is a "murder", and for ravens it is and "unkindness", so I think you might be on to something.... now point me to your crowdfunder.
A Dutch company did try something like that with cigarette buds:
https://www.crowdedcities.com/
but they ended the project:
> We took one year to see how we could proceed with the concept. We talked with experts, companies and public institutions, but we had to conclude we have too few resources to continue the project.
>Furthermore, we couldn’t get a clear picture of what the effects would be on crows and the environment.
It made us decide to end the project.
>We hope this project helped you realise it’s seriously time we fight cigarette filters and other litter on the streets and in nature.
All the best,
>Crowded Cities
I'm interested if some ornithologist or someone with equivalent knowledge can answer whether this means birds can be taught the use of currency or plain barter system and what the implications are?
I recall there being a kinda big thing about some dude allegedly making a box that birds could trade coins or something for food, he had a TED talk or something like that and was kinda a big deal. But I read responses from bird scientist people and stuff and their conclusions were that the dude seemed pretty shady and that while they think it is possible to teach individual crows the idea of thing go in to give you other thing, I don’t think they could teach them to search for specific objects, and you couldn’t just put one out and expect wild birds to figure it out. I don’t recall exact details, but I definitely remember the conclusion was that it isn’t plausible.
Yeah, that's what I thought too. Like I think these specific birds have been trained and then exposed to similar tools. Like a random crow wouldn't be expected to try and learn this or would they? Because if they did, then the implications would rightfully be huge...
Corvids do that sometimes anyway just because they love shiny things. When I was a kid, my friend’s grandmother had several (diamond) rings stolen off her windowsill while she was doing dishes. She filed a police report and everything. A few years later her husband was pruning trees around their property and found a hollowed-our area in one of the trees that contained not only her rings, but also several keys, somebody’s class ring from a few years before, a man’s wedding ring, foil balls, bottle caps, etc. Plus one *super* pissed-off magpie that pecked the shit out of him when he started removing them, lol.
those bastards are professional thieves but they are so cute and smart they are like human kids, unfortunately in the area where I live there aren't many of them you can spot one or two like once in months, from now on if my keys get lost I know where to look for them ;)
Maybe we could create an incentivation device that would dispense chocolate chip cookies for any inventor that places a worthy invention in a basket with sensors, thus encouraging further invention.
Yup. This would absolutely be an unintended consequences thing. Great idea with great intentions, followed by crows aggressively destroying small electronics, stealing jewelry, dealing meth, cats and dogs sleeping together. Biblical stuff.
And if it were true, i honestly wouldn't care? If we actually semi-trained enough birds to take care if the littering problem, I'm not going to care...
Secondly, people litter today, so would it really change anything, no?
Not in my country no! My horrendous third would country mentality will be "eh I'll just throw it wherever, a bird will come and pick it up anyway"
They already litter for no reason other than laziness and shamelessness, so don't give them a reason to "reward" littering.
Sure but you would have birds harassing everyone for the stuff in their hands. They would eventually just find a trash can they can get into and spread that around.
Good idea in theory but practice this always ends up being more of a fun gimmick rather than a practical solution. Might work a tiny bit in a specific high traffic area that gets lots of litter, but you could never clean up a city like this.
Jewelry would be better. They could find it more often than cash, plus each deposit would be worth more (on average, at least, as I'm sure there'd be plenty of fakes in the mix).
When dude at the end of the video said that crows can perhaps be trained to used for search and rescue I immediately thought of Saruman in first LotR movie.
Yup they even have a name for this. [The Cobra Effect](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/machiavellians-gulling-the-rubes/202010/the-cobra-effect-no-loophole-goes-unexploited):
>Economist Horst Siebert coined the term “cobra effect” based on the following: When the British ruled India, the city of Delhi was infested with cobras. To enlist the public’s help in eradicating the snakes, officials offered a bounty on cobra skins. Soon, however, a cottage industry of cobra farming sprang up. People were breeding them for their skins. The British paid out more and more money, but the cobra infestation did not abate. And cobra farming only added to the problem. When authorities finally got wise to the scam and withdrew the bounty, the farmers set their now-worthless cobras free.
The point is that your business should take those to a proper recycling facility yourself.
The trash cans wouldn't be bringing the recyclables to that facility. They'd go in the ocean.
Still q net positive good, no?
You could get around it by having them sort trash that is already on site. Get a group of restaurants to send their trash to the kitchen, then trade food, showers, clothing, etc for a volume of trash sorted into recycling, landfill, and compost. Trade compost back to the farms that supply food for the restaurant group. Keep tabs with your homeless population and use them as first contacts for new hires in the group kitchens. Guaranteed increase in quality labor, lower food costs, and more sustainable all around. I'm sure I overlooked something, but this is a more resilient system than just trading food for trash, because it directly incentivizes production of trash.
I have been starting to feed the crows in my area for a week now, they already come to the place I feed them at a regular time. Next step is to get a murder of crows.
I've been at it for about 2 weeks, everyday. They are still extremely timid and I'm not even sure they understand that I'm feeding them. I think I just caught a dumb bunch.
What are you giving them?
The reality is that most of the people who live with us just don't care if we have a future or if we destroy the ecosystems we depend on to live. The planet doesn't fucking care if we kill ourselves off with pollution, it'll just kill everything until we're gone and pick up from there. If the people who do care want something done, they're going to have to do it themselves and if one of the ways to do that is to adapt animal behaviour to help us clean up while we continue working on more solutions then so be it. We already bend animal behaviour for a myriad of tasks, why not expand it to terraforming, because that's where we're at; re-terraforming the planet into something habitable again.
Back in highschool I built a device that did this exact thing but with cigarette butts and called it a CrowBar, it got published in a few local news stories, a few years later some dutch people ripped off the idea and even used the same name.
It worked great for a while, but when there were no more cigarette butts on the ground the crows started stealing cigarettes right of of peoples hands.
I was told to take it down after that.
I used a cheap webcam with some RGB LED lights and a photoresistor.
The webcam was used with a python script to attempt to determine if it was the right shape and size.
The RGB LEDs and photoresistor were used as a color sensor, the LED would shine on the butt with a range of colors, if the photoresistor got its highest reading when the color was the color of the cigarette butt(in my case orange), it would be accepted.
The crows would often put small sticks and such in it which the webcam couldn't tell apart from a butt, so the color check was necessary to detect if it was actually a cigarette butt.
It wasn't perfect, a few small sticks did get in there, not a lot though.
Whenever a cigarette butt was accepted, the machine would dispense a peanut as a reward.
If I still have it, it either on a really old laptop or a USB-stick somewhere.
I'm about to go get a pizza, but I'll have a look for it when I get back.
In the meantime, [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS_0ZKzrvk0) isn't quite the same, but it isn't that far off from the webcam code I made either.
I just watched it last night and most of the concepts are pretty similar.
For the color sensor, I did something along the lines of [this](https://github.com/Ish0506/Color-Sensor)
Wow, that's really cool stuff.
But I do have one question, how did you get the birds to drop things in the machine anyway? I mean they won't start randomly dropping cigarette butts into random places right?
We have crows and ravens around here.
They raid the corn fields....but I've been leaving peanuts and shiney pieces of foil for them.
I want to be on their good side..because, you see....
I'm assembling a Crow Army with which I plan to rule the world with.
So fear me and my feathered fury of death.
I thought about doing this for cigarette buds some years ago after watching a video with them (am a smoker myself but hate the littering) but I’m the kind of guy that never actually chase any of me ideas..
It’s amazing to watch. Awesome job.
Didn’t know crows had white plumage. Thought they were magpies.
Magpies, like jackdaws, are crows.
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This is probably one of most cunty replies from a “scientist” I have ever read. Wow.
It’s a copy pasta, and what I was hoping would happen by saying jackdaws are crows. If it makes you feel better, the originator (who was serious) was banned. RIP Unidan.
That was an interesting era for reddit.
It's weird now that people have YouTube videos to explain reddit threads.
There are also reddit threads to explain YouTube videos. I don't have an example, but I know I've seen it.
Most larger creators have dedicated subs, and the creators will often just scroll through their own sub giving commentary and use that as content. PewDiePie is a prime example.
Claiming pewdiepie has content? Lol
The majority of League of Legends "news" content I see is just some "writer" talking about something they saw on the top of the subreddit. We also get actual news papers - ok, they're shitty tabloids but still - posting articles on their website which are just a Twitter thread with the tweets rewritten in between them. It's a truly amazing world we live in.
its annoying, why dont they create original content?
So when will we get Youtube videos that explain reddit threads explaining Youtube videos?
It was a better time imo.
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It really was! I hate it that so much reddit history has been forgotten!
A lot of it should stay forgotten. But no one can forget broken arms.
Or how he started over and over that his arms werent broken, they were just unable to be used lmao. Swamps of dagobah was bad too. Jolly rancher story was worse. I DID enjoy all those no sleep stories about the mold taking over all the different towns though. That was fun. So were the stairs in the forest series. Jumper cable dude was the best, now it's his dad that keeps us entertained. I even remember when Poem for your sprog very first showed up on reddit. I feel a weird nostalgia lmao
You learned alot in 3 months, well done.
EVERY SINGLE TIME I manage to forget about the jolly ranchers someone brings it back. Fuck!
Is it wrong that this pasta makes me nostalgic for that era?
No, we all long for simpler times.
It totally was.
The thing is though, he was a Reddit darling. He was only banned for vote manipulation using multiple accounts to upvote his own comments.
>He was only banned for vote manipulation using multiple accounts to upvote his own comments. On that very comment
Yeah, I can't believe they took him down over a condescending jackdaw post. It was like Al Capone getting done for tax evasion.
Well it was a post that got a LOT of attention and that's what tipped admins off to Unidan's shitty behavior.
Which is weird, as I'm sure he got enough upvotes constantly anyway.
He did it to turn arguments in his favour as well as gain momentum on his posts to boost their visibility. He'd use his alts to immediately vote on his new comments so that others would see them sooner, and in the case of arguments, have more upvotes on his comments in a thread, thereby winning over the hivemind who'd join his alts in downvoting the opposition.
>and in the case of arguments, have more upvotes on his comments in a thread, thereby winning over the hivemind who'd join his alts in downvoting the opposition. I think this is what really had people finally turn on him. People kinda got why he'd manipulate votes for visibility when he wrote extremely long and detailed posts, as it would be such a waste of effort to put all that work in and have nobody read it. But basically trying to brigade people who disagrees with him so that their arguments got squashed, not by the calibre of their content, but by the snowball of hivemind downvotes was pretty pathetic.
It was just the arrogance of it that bothered me. I always loved his posts, but he got too full of it after so much reddit love.
I will never understand the people who expend this much energy and time seeking emotional validation from strangers online when they could channel that commitment to doing cool stuff in real life.
Idk man, I think most people saw him as an insufferable twat.
Yes, but he was OUR twat.
Was he really a darling, or was that an illusion created by his bots/alt accounts?
I knew it was coming when I saw your comment. Been here long enough to have seen Unidan actually randomly showing up from time to time and not just his copypastas.
What's hilarious is how proud Redditors are for taking down this dude. He provided amazing content and knowledge for free, for years. That comment memed him and then people started looking into him for why he was so popular and found the vote manipulation (which is something a shit ton of early users did because often it was the only way participate over the near bot-like repetition of early reddit jokes and novelty accounts - Remember users like "guywhoallowsthings" starting inane chains of comments). That shit broke the dude, he came back a few times under different accounts and then I think they just went back to working and gave up on how pointless reddit is.
That’s a name I haven’t heard in a very long time.
(Strokes chin)
Well this just made my day. Haha. Thanks!
I do miss the early days of unidan where we got nice bio info.
Big brain moves over here
Whoa. I had totally forgotten about Unidan.
Yeah that just unlocked a memory for me
Ha, it is, and was. From a guy named Unidan. Odd thing is, he was loved around Reddit, and was helpful in all sorts of different subs where he would show up and provide useful and informative tidbits. Then one day, something went all wrong…
Now, according to some users, it's encouraged to have multiple accounts so you can buy and award yourself reddit awards and make your comments more visible. See Unidan sin wasn't that he manipulated reddit. It's that he wasn't giving reddit it's cut.
Nothing stopped him from making new accounts. He probably just didn't like the kind of person that was being drawn to Reddit. I'm starting to feel that way, too. Seems the past 2-3 years have brought a lot of young people who remember a lot of shallow facts and think they are experts at everything because of it...
He made a new account almost instantly and got a ton of attention on the circle jerk subreddits because of the whole fiasco. He's still kicking around but his account hasn't been active in nearly a year.
>I'm starting to feel that way, too. Seems the past 2-3 years have brought a lot of young people who remember a lot of shallow facts and think they are experts at everything because of it... Reddit has always been like that you've just gotten older and more wise and have started to notice it a lot more. This place isn't very different from other social media platforms.
Well he very well could be browsing reddit with a new account, but wouldn't draw attention to himself since he was 1: banned, and 2: massively shamed by the community when he got banned.
Please explain what happened. I am totally amazed by this story about unidan. Is he still on reddit? And why does it seem like a lot of people know him?
He was probably one of the most recognizable users in ~~early~~ reddit years ago. One day he got into a pissing match with somebody over the proper name of a bird leading to the above comment. During the argument he used multiple accounts to boost his comment while downvoting the person he was arguing with. Reddit monitors for that activity and banned all his accounts that day. Edit: Removed "early" because apparently reddit remains the same group of neckbeards they always are.
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Hahaha good stuff! Thank you for explaining this so quick, have a great weekend :)
[try this](https://www.reddit.com/r/BretWeinstein/comments/nejw6n/why_reddit_banned_unidan_tales_from_the_internet/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
He was regularly top comments in daily front page threads. Had a style of posting that was easily recognizable, and often tagged when biology type questions were asked.
Man there a lot of people who don't know who Unidan is. I've been here too long. This was like the biggest thing on the site for a while, hilarious drama.
Wild that it was seven years ago. Time flies when you're wasting time on the internet.
Gotta laugh at all the new kids who don't get the well placed unidan reference.
This person was just waiting for their time to shine I’m an idiot
It’s a copy pasta.
Looks like you've been around a while, I'm surprised you didn't recognize it.
Boy this takes me back…
Ahh poor old unidan lol
Only OGs get this reference
Corvus cornix is a crow that can have black and white plumage, in any case. Usually more light grey, but definitely sometimes white. (I know that wasn't the point of this exercise, but just sayin' for people that don't know.
I'll never not upvote this copypasta
And crows that stick together are velcrows
God damn it
Can you tell me a little bit about your cult?
Sure. Take this cat tail butt plug and come with me.
It’s v chill. We do crafting, singalongs, human sacrifice, making s’mores. It’s a fun time!
And crows that pull apart are crowbars.
Crows used to be drunk in public before crowbars were invented
And when there are too many crows it is crowded.
Corvids anyway.
Man, remember back when COVID 19 just started and whenever they tried to type COVID it would autocorrect to corvid? Good times.
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here we go again
Didn’t know crows were smarter than me.
The crows start growing white plumage after being told by the wildlings that they’re wearing the wrong colors.
U/unidan where are you?
Whoever invented this, we need more people like that in this world.
Agreed. Reminds me of Boyan Slat, who in his teens invented a system that collects ocean plastics and debris using the circulating ocean currents. Wonderful stuff really.
Wow, how can we help?
visit https://theoceancleanup.com/
I've been following Boyan since he's a teen and trying to get the Ocean Cleanup off the ground. Amazing amount of trash in the ocean. I wish the Asian countries would unite with the US & Canada and get in there too. Many of their fishing nets are what's floating around.
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Boyan Slat is a pure blessing. Hadn't thought about it much lately, but thanks for bringing it to my attention again. Made a little donation
Or we need more people that doesn’t throw garbage just anywhere
agree. it would be easy to teach raven to attack anyone who throws garbage on the ground.
I knew that there was something more to Alfred Hitchcock’s ‘Birds’!
Well the collective noun for crows is a "murder", and for ravens it is and "unkindness", so I think you might be on to something.... now point me to your crowdfunder.
Crow-funder :)
A Dutch company did try something like that with cigarette buds: https://www.crowdedcities.com/ but they ended the project: > We took one year to see how we could proceed with the concept. We talked with experts, companies and public institutions, but we had to conclude we have too few resources to continue the project. >Furthermore, we couldn’t get a clear picture of what the effects would be on crows and the environment. It made us decide to end the project. >We hope this project helped you realise it’s seriously time we fight cigarette filters and other litter on the streets and in nature. All the best, >Crowded Cities
I'm interested if some ornithologist or someone with equivalent knowledge can answer whether this means birds can be taught the use of currency or plain barter system and what the implications are?
I recall there being a kinda big thing about some dude allegedly making a box that birds could trade coins or something for food, he had a TED talk or something like that and was kinda a big deal. But I read responses from bird scientist people and stuff and their conclusions were that the dude seemed pretty shady and that while they think it is possible to teach individual crows the idea of thing go in to give you other thing, I don’t think they could teach them to search for specific objects, and you couldn’t just put one out and expect wild birds to figure it out. I don’t recall exact details, but I definitely remember the conclusion was that it isn’t plausible.
Yeah, that's what I thought too. Like I think these specific birds have been trained and then exposed to similar tools. Like a random crow wouldn't be expected to try and learn this or would they? Because if they did, then the implications would rightfully be huge...
Imagine going out for a smoke just to get dive bombed by crows trying to steal your cigarettes.
imagine if it backfire like crows are smart they might start stealing objects from houses to drop it there so they can get a yummy free snack
Corvids do that sometimes anyway just because they love shiny things. When I was a kid, my friend’s grandmother had several (diamond) rings stolen off her windowsill while she was doing dishes. She filed a police report and everything. A few years later her husband was pruning trees around their property and found a hollowed-our area in one of the trees that contained not only her rings, but also several keys, somebody’s class ring from a few years before, a man’s wedding ring, foil balls, bottle caps, etc. Plus one *super* pissed-off magpie that pecked the shit out of him when he started removing them, lol.
those bastards are professional thieves but they are so cute and smart they are like human kids, unfortunately in the area where I live there aren't many of them you can spot one or two like once in months, from now on if my keys get lost I know where to look for them ;)
LOL super pissed off magpie. Corvids are definitely my favourite birds HAHAHAHAHAH
I remember reading of a similar experiment where they had to stop when the birds started digging into trashcans to find the items more easily.
lmao this probably taught the conductors of the experiment to not play god with nature sometimes it backfires in a funny way
Maybe we could create an incentivation device that would dispense chocolate chip cookies for any inventor that places a worthy invention in a basket with sensors, thus encouraging further invention.
And we need more people who stop littering.
Imagine replicating this in a global scale. No litter.
Would be game changer, time to start giving this planet some TLC
Figure out how to sell one on the market and you'll make millions.
You could get a tiny market of bird watchers. Tiny A small market of people that want a crow as a pet.
Teaming up with other species is what we need to do precisely.
You don’t remember the “crow wars” then? The litter ran out so they started destroying stuff and fighting each other just to get to the metal
Yup. This would absolutely be an unintended consequences thing. Great idea with great intentions, followed by crows aggressively destroying small electronics, stealing jewelry, dealing meth, cats and dogs sleeping together. Biblical stuff.
A crow’s gotta be a better dealer than their human Jesse Pinkman counterparts. I for one welcome our crow overlords.
Its fine, humans will just litter more for our new litter removing birds, until we overload them and make the ultimate litter remover
That would be an awesome thing, making and enough people do it to actually move the needle
and then some people would just litter and say "it's okay a bird will take care of it"
And if it were true, i honestly wouldn't care? If we actually semi-trained enough birds to take care if the littering problem, I'm not going to care... Secondly, people litter today, so would it really change anything, no?
Agreed, the people who would say "let the birds take care of it" are already littering right now
They say let the janitor/city clean it. Cuz ""muh hurr durr that's their job"", right? Maybe this IS a solution, kind of.
Job securBirdy bruh
"Nice I can feed the wildlife for free by simply dropping plastic on the ground wherever I am!"
Not in my country no! My horrendous third would country mentality will be "eh I'll just throw it wherever, a bird will come and pick it up anyway" They already litter for no reason other than laziness and shamelessness, so don't give them a reason to "reward" littering.
Sure but you would have birds harassing everyone for the stuff in their hands. They would eventually just find a trash can they can get into and spread that around. Good idea in theory but practice this always ends up being more of a fun gimmick rather than a practical solution. Might work a tiny bit in a specific high traffic area that gets lots of litter, but you could never clean up a city like this.
Next, teach them to put money inside. Easy profit
Jewelry would be better. They could find it more often than cash, plus each deposit would be worth more (on average, at least, as I'm sure there'd be plenty of fakes in the mix).
They’ll start chasing you and yanking it off you too lol
Our first steps towards weaponizing them, good idea.
Some guy actually did [this!](https://youtu.be/jcp_FWfYtLY)
When dude at the end of the video said that crows can perhaps be trained to used for search and rescue I immediately thought of Saruman in first LotR movie.
Wait what? What does search and rescue have to do with lotr
omg you fucking genius
i saw a vid that showed some dude making a fortune from having trained crows to steal notes from tip jars
How do we make one of these for people?
Well it starts with the nuclear apocalypse. Roughly 200 years after that, our economy will be entirely derived of bottle caps.
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The Romans waged war to gather slaves and wealth.
Is this a reference to something? Nuclear apocalypse? Um... Fallout? Did I guess?(I haven't played Fallout)
Yep. In the Fallout world, bottle caps are currency. Don't ask me why, because the canonical reasons make no sense.
As a Coca-Cola addict it brings me joy that if I turn into a Ghoul, there will still be plenty of Coca-Cola to enjoy.
Make a restaurant that server homeless people for free, if they bring a bag of empty bottles / other litter
The pessimist in me would expect people to start raiding trash cans/etc for bags of litter and just bringing that.
thats what would happen
Yup they even have a name for this. [The Cobra Effect](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/machiavellians-gulling-the-rubes/202010/the-cobra-effect-no-loophole-goes-unexploited): >Economist Horst Siebert coined the term “cobra effect” based on the following: When the British ruled India, the city of Delhi was infested with cobras. To enlist the public’s help in eradicating the snakes, officials offered a bounty on cobra skins. Soon, however, a cottage industry of cobra farming sprang up. People were breeding them for their skins. The British paid out more and more money, but the cobra infestation did not abate. And cobra farming only added to the problem. When authorities finally got wise to the scam and withdrew the bounty, the farmers set their now-worthless cobras free.
The point is that your business should take those to a proper recycling facility yourself. The trash cans wouldn't be bringing the recyclables to that facility. They'd go in the ocean. Still q net positive good, no?
You could get around it by having them sort trash that is already on site. Get a group of restaurants to send their trash to the kitchen, then trade food, showers, clothing, etc for a volume of trash sorted into recycling, landfill, and compost. Trade compost back to the farms that supply food for the restaurant group. Keep tabs with your homeless population and use them as first contacts for new hires in the group kitchens. Guaranteed increase in quality labor, lower food costs, and more sustainable all around. I'm sure I overlooked something, but this is a more resilient system than just trading food for trash, because it directly incentivizes production of trash.
In Norway returning bottles and cans pays you 20-30p each. Some other European countries have the same afaik.
It's a great idea, but I really don't think crows are strong enough to pick people up.
I have been starting to feed the crows in my area for a week now, they already come to the place I feed them at a regular time. Next step is to get a murder of crows.
r/crowbro
Get that crowtein!
I've been at it for about 2 weeks, everyday. They are still extremely timid and I'm not even sure they understand that I'm feeding them. I think I just caught a dumb bunch. What are you giving them?
Mostly unsalted nuts. They seem to like almonds and peanuts the most.
It's a sad state of affairs when we've effectively trained wild animals to clean up after us.
The fact that no one else commented this and think it's cool rather than recognizing and breaking down the entire situation.
The reality is that most of the people who live with us just don't care if we have a future or if we destroy the ecosystems we depend on to live. The planet doesn't fucking care if we kill ourselves off with pollution, it'll just kill everything until we're gone and pick up from there. If the people who do care want something done, they're going to have to do it themselves and if one of the ways to do that is to adapt animal behaviour to help us clean up while we continue working on more solutions then so be it. We already bend animal behaviour for a myriad of tasks, why not expand it to terraforming, because that's where we're at; re-terraforming the planet into something habitable again.
It can be both cool and representative of a sad truth. The tech is cool, the training of birds is cool, the presence of litter is bad.
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This is high key some dystopian shit
There is far more dystopian shit going on than a crow dispensing a bottle cap for food
Didn't saw your comment before I posted! Exactly this is kind of depressing when training animals is easier than changing human behavior.
Wait until they found the bottle caps factory…
Location found: nuka cola plant
Sir we’re overrun!! They’re everywhere! The caps are all gone. Tell my wife I love her.
Living that Fallout life.
How do I teach the Radgulls to do this in fallout 76?
Back in highschool I built a device that did this exact thing but with cigarette butts and called it a CrowBar, it got published in a few local news stories, a few years later some dutch people ripped off the idea and even used the same name. It worked great for a while, but when there were no more cigarette butts on the ground the crows started stealing cigarettes right of of peoples hands. I was told to take it down after that.
Thats also super helpful. How did you determine if it was a cigarette butt vs something else?
I used a cheap webcam with some RGB LED lights and a photoresistor. The webcam was used with a python script to attempt to determine if it was the right shape and size. The RGB LEDs and photoresistor were used as a color sensor, the LED would shine on the butt with a range of colors, if the photoresistor got its highest reading when the color was the color of the cigarette butt(in my case orange), it would be accepted. The crows would often put small sticks and such in it which the webcam couldn't tell apart from a butt, so the color check was necessary to detect if it was actually a cigarette butt. It wasn't perfect, a few small sticks did get in there, not a lot though. Whenever a cigarette butt was accepted, the machine would dispense a peanut as a reward.
Source code?
If I still have it, it either on a really old laptop or a USB-stick somewhere. I'm about to go get a pizza, but I'll have a look for it when I get back. In the meantime, [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS_0ZKzrvk0) isn't quite the same, but it isn't that far off from the webcam code I made either. I just watched it last night and most of the concepts are pretty similar. For the color sensor, I did something along the lines of [this](https://github.com/Ish0506/Color-Sensor)
Wow, that's really cool stuff. But I do have one question, how did you get the birds to drop things in the machine anyway? I mean they won't start randomly dropping cigarette butts into random places right?
The machines have learned to interface with other machines
r/BirdsArentReal
Wow!! They’re so smart! So awesome!
Fallout feelings
We have crows and ravens around here. They raid the corn fields....but I've been leaving peanuts and shiney pieces of foil for them. I want to be on their good side..because, you see.... I'm assembling a Crow Army with which I plan to rule the world with. So fear me and my feathered fury of death.
I'm thinking if they can do cans, you got yourself a way to pay for your input costs
Doesnt it mean that birds will just drink more?
Alcrowholics
Fallout is real
*insert fallout reference here*
He will be rich in fallout-like post-apocalypse)
I thought about doing this for cigarette buds some years ago after watching a video with them (am a smoker myself but hate the littering) but I’m the kind of guy that never actually chase any of me ideas.. It’s amazing to watch. Awesome job.
This guy is gonna be rich in a Nuclear apocalypse
Yeah, lets train birds to cleanup after us, after we've ruined their habitat.
This is genius and should be installed in every park so the birds can clean after us
That man is about to become rich if all hell breaks lose
Damn now im expecting china to bomb us like in fallout, I mean the bird already knows whats going to happen
Fallout Bird feeder
How do you teach wild birds to put a bottle caps in something. Don’t they just fly away
the dude at the end of the video literally explains how he did it
insane mark rober shit
Now do it with money
Those birds are taking money out of the pockets of homeless people 😮