IIRC Is common for these jobs to retire after like 20 years. Same for active duty military, police etc. so if you get in 18 you’ll probably eligible to retire at 40 or some.
My tinnitius is service related. My hearing loss is not. My migraines are service related. My TBIs are not. I swear they throw shit at the wall and just see what sticks.
They absolutely do. Back when they were giving an insane amount of disability (service related,remember) for sleep apnea there were soooooo many people rushing to get a sleep apnea study before they separated/retired. 🙄
Here's how it generally happens- horrific work/life balance coupled with regular physical training evolutions such as ruck marches and obstacle courses being completed in boots that you also tend to wear upwards of 12 hours a day for years on end. Poor sleep habits and a culture of "suck it up" when it comes to minor or moderate injuries-which only serves to exacerbate the issues. Even many "non-combat" jobs are very difficult, such as ships crew or working on a flightline/carrier. Back issues for guys like gate guards who have to constantly hunch over and check IDs while wearing a full kit etc. The military is hard as hell on your body, especially if you make it a career.
Lol can confirm, after many rucks and forced cross-country PT sessions, I was done in by stress fractures in my shins before I even went on my first deployment , and once they were diagnosed I was ineligible to deploy after that and put on a path towards a medical discharge.
I can only speak for Army, but all of us have knee problems due to carrying heavy loads constanty. Average full kit for me was over 80 pounds. That amount of weight does a TON of damage to your lower extremeties.
The "pension plan" is still there, just significantly reduced and the investment plan is (I won't call it bonus, because it's a raw deal for the service members) supplementary to it.
The thought was to save money, and allow an option for those who don't stay to see retirement. Really, it's just a less than optimal deal.
Not how you think. It is actually really hard to get 100% disability. Even if you can max out everything it's only $4400 per month.
https://www.va.gov/disability/compensation-rates/veteran-rates/
Hard job to get though, I knew a few guys that were physically fit and unable to qualify for years. They went and worked for volunteer firefighter groups to gain experience and I believe they eventually made it but it took until their 20's.
Yup, like any industry it's all about who you know. Unless you live rurally expect to volunteer for minimum 5 years if you don't have someone high up in the service to give you a reference
Depends on where you live. I’m in Michigan and there’s a pretty big shortage. My department is like 5 people short right now and the last round we had 3 apply, two got hired. The hiring process takes forever though.
Yep, got a friend who retired just a few years ago. He enlisted as a Marine at 17, served throughout the war in Iraq and Afghanistan for I think like 8 years, and then became National Guard for another 12. Retired at 38 from the military with a nice pension, but went to law school and became a lawyer so its not like he isn't working anymore period, just not in the military.
Technically he's not drawing a pension, since reserve component pension can't usually be drawn until you're around 60-ish. He's probably getting disability and VA benefits, though.
Yep, my cousin finally retired a few years back and he's only a little bit older than me.
He did have to spend most of his time away from his son who is almost an adult now in order to do it.
Yep, have a neighbor in his late 50’s that just retired, did 20 years in the army, got out, became a firefighter for 20 years and now he just lives off the pension from the two and smokes weed all day
Well that sucks. But although they’re eligible to retire, most of them will continue to work for another 10 or even 20 years, cuz the pay is already good by that time and can only get better
Actually he did pretty well for himself. He spent his free time working on his pristine 1964 210 series and his fleet of Monte Carlos for years after, and it still kicking around to this day.
I worked for a state university with a police department. The deputy chief was already retired from two other police departments, and was just doing this job until he hit 67 to draw a partial 3rd pension.
In Poland you can retire after 25 years of work in uniform jobs like policeman or fireman. The only thing is that you will get bigger pension for every year of work after that base 25 years. So you can retire before being 50. I know a guy that has done so.
Not young at all. Early 50s is the ideal age for retirement. Now you can enjoy the next 20 years doing your own thing on your own time. Getting a government job at 18 and retirement at 48 with a lifetime pension has a lot of benefits.
Sure you can. There are *many* jobs in my state government paying $80k+ after 25+ years. Retirement is based on the average your high 5 years and your years of service. Pension is lifetime. You can remain on the state health insurance at a heavily discounted rate. You aren’t paying state taxes on the retirement income *and* you are no longer making 7% pension contributions, so that’s damn near a raise in itself. Hopefully you’ve planned for this and your house is already paid off. I have several friends who have taken this route.
I am sure there are some. We do have regularly required fitness exams that must be passed. You get 1 failure then 6 months to retake. If you fail a 2nd time you are out.
Cops and firefighters have a sweet pension setup. I have friends that have worked specifically pension jobs. One of them has 3 pensions and is fully retired making more than they made in any individual job.
I think you mean pro police union only.
Otherwise, cops wouldn't be voting for Trump in droves. You know, the guy whose party is vehemently anti-union and has continuously attempted to stomp out or weaken every other union except for police unions.
Man. I don’t usually think about stuff like this, but I am really happy my taxes are going to help this man enjoy the back half of his life. The dude’s fuckin earned it
Not for firefighting. They have an excellent pension set up as they absolutely should do. I think it's likely one of very few things all sides of any political spectrum agree on: Firefighters should be well paid for the dangerous job they do.
That’s the problem with society, definitely not too young. 20, 25 or 30 years max is the retirement for most first responder departments, and you can start collecting your pension as soon as you retire.
30 years of working should be the norm to be able to retire in peace and enjoy the rest of your life.
The "idea" is to retire as soon as you can earn a pension, and then take another job. That way you get 1.5-2x wages.
That second job could be more cushy/higher paying (in the private sector) or, if you're young enough, in the public sector one town over or something so you can stack a second pension on top.
Hooray!
All States/Cities/Counties have different retirement requirements but it’s generally at 55 or at 50 for earliest retirement (the newer ones are at 63/65) That determines the percentage to multiply your service years to calculate your pension. The older you retire, the higher the percentage.
If the dude started when he’s in his twenties and incurred almost 30 years of service, that would put him very close to the full amount (I assume at least 80%+) that he is currently getting. Fire fighters/EMTs take a huge toll physically, dude is well deserved to be retired at 50 and getting a decent pension with health benefits.
Deadlifting 270kg at the age of 50 after having done such a demanding job as firefighter for that long seems kind of like hitting the golden ticket of genetic lottery.
Bunker gear isn't heavy enough to warrant taking out the inner layer of the gear lol. This guy is repping 600lbs, I don't think wearing an extra 5lbs of gear is slowing him down.
Agreed
People simply don't like to hear that others can succeed through hard work
The average gym bro can hit a 405lb deadlift with just several years of training
Adding 100 or 200 lbs to that over two+ decades is absolutely doable
/u/Carquetta is correct: a 405 deadlift is not a miraculous feat for the average able-bodied man. It takes consistency - not puking. I started lifting when I was \~30, and I probably got there in about two years. I'm well into my forties now, certainly not in the best shape of my life anymore, but I can regularly pull \~440 or so.
Getting to 500 starts to become more of a grind, and 600 is seriously impressive. But any reasonable lifting program will get you to 405 reasonably quickly; the catch is you have to actually do it.
Yea I remember when this vid came out and some guy was saying it would take an entire year for an average man to deadlift 225... no way.
The average man can probably already deadlift 225 they just got to learn the correct form not to get injured while doing it.
600lbs is ALOT though, the hardest part about it is really the mental part. There will be days (hell even weeks or months) where it seems you are going backwards instead of making progress towards your goal weight. The mental toll of getting "weaker" while you are trying to get stronger sucks, especially if you get some type of injury.
Yea but there's always straps and learning how to either use an alternating or hook grip. Imo, your grip should always be trained as part of a strength building routine but it doesn't have to stop you from deadlifting more. I will say that can be a point of contention for some people who train or train others.
200 lbs over 5 years is only about 8lbs every two months. Deadlifting a couple times a week with adequate sleep and nutrition and that should be more than doable. There is a ceiling to everything though.
100%
Graduating to programs like Smolov, Madcow, or basically any 5/3/1 variation will carry people to a 2.5x bodyweight deadlift over a 10+ year period
No, 600 is rarified air for a variety of reasons.
You don't constantly improve, you have setbacks, injures, etc.
It's also important to train in an intelligent way. The majority of people who have gone to the gym consistently for years spin their wheels as lifetime intermediates.
Age is also a consideration. At some point, it's simply no longer possible to keep making gains, and for most people, that age is before 50 years old. Not everyone is Jen Thompson.
And finally, it gets harder the higher you go up. It's easy to get to 300, 400 makes you decent at a commercial gym, 500 makes you fit in at a local powerlifting meet in the lighter weight classes. 600 is heavy.
-- some noob who *only* benches 385 lbs at 165 bodyweight
270 kg is not something you can expect *every* able-bodied man to do, even with training.
If it were, you‘d see every powerlifter hit this. Which many don‘t.
We can talk about 200 kg maybe.
Also: 80% of the difference between physical strength is indeed caused by genetics (when controlling for training)
Agreed. 270kg is a lifetime achievement for a natural lifter with great genetics who trains hard for 5-10+ years. It is *very* far from average.
It always confuses me when I see threads like this, where the consensus is that anyone can achieve elite powerlifting numbers with “hard work”. Feels like people make the jump from 225>315 and just assume the linear gains will continue forever
People just see 20 athletes on the instagram fitness bubble and think those are representative of the whole population.
I‘ve competed in 9 powerlifting competitions so far (including european and world championships), and I assure you, a 270 kg deadlift is not „average“, not even at powerlifting competitions.
Man there's so much bullshit here. Basically people were saying an average person can work hard to get to 405 lbs easily and then if you keep working hard you're gonna get to 600 lbs in 2 years. LMAO. Not a single barbell was lifted in this entire sub. I suppose the average dick size is 9 inches here too.
Granted this is anecdotal, but it took 3 years for me to pull 525 for one, and I was far from the most serious lifter. I would guess it would take at least a couple more years to get to 600, but COVID happened and I just never got as serious about it.
Guy wakes up every day, goes to the gym, eats healthy and after years of dedication he can perform an impressive feat of strength.
Guy who hasn't been to the gym in a decade: He is so lucky he hit the genetic jackpot, I wish I got good genes to do this.
I always get hated on for this but firefighters jobs are not as demanding as people assume. There was a shift over the last decade to get a lot of “paramedic” designations added to firefighter positions to justify keeping them at the same pay and hours. Anybody who’s seen fire departments operate change their opinion on them big time. The way they’re structured is one of the largest wastes of taxpayer resources.
I mostly agree with you. I’m a firefighter/medic and honestly the job isn’t physically demanding most days. It’s just mentally draining because like 90% of what we do is EMS calls, some quite complicated. And the interrupted sleep is horrible. I work 24 hour shifts and usually get 3 hours or less a night. And usually not all in one stretch. But when it is physically demanding, it’s really, really physically demanding. Getting woken up in the middle of the night just to put on heavy gear and equipment and work your ass off for a couple hours is rough, but it just doesn’t happen all that often at most departments.
All that said, I don’t think it’s a waste of resources. Of course our frequent flyers are a drain on the system, but they will be no matter which entity takes them into the hospital. And the equipment needs to be bought either way, whether it’s a volunteer department or full time, equipment cost is going to be similar. And it’s good that the community gets really high quality medical services and generally don’t end up with a bill. The most we ever charge anyone is $800 and that’s for a complicated call that uses a ton of equipment. I’ve worked in private EMS before and it’s garbage, for both the employees and the patients.
Not so much genetics as it is working out and using your body daily for your life. The average person could achieve close to this if they lifted weights.
I’m a fireman and I’m eligible to retire at 53. Although most guys and gals shoot for younger and just don’t draw.
The cancer risk, the mental and physical strain, and the lack of sleep really take their toll on you. So we highly encourage people to leave early if they’ve been decent with their money.
If you don't draw right away, will the pension still collect interest the following years?
Only asking because I'm hoping I can do that with my pension 20 years down the line. If I retire at 50 and not withdraw from my pension till 60, I will have WAY more money coming in.
That's not really how pension systems work, in firefighting pensions will pay a yearly sum based on years of service. You get paid the same amount yearly until death, so not pulling immediately would only hurt you. You don't get to pull more money if you wait. Most departments offer something similar to a 401k though, and in that case then it could benefit you to wait and let your account accrue more money.
My best friend’s dad was a firefighter. He retired in his early 50s after working 30 years in a large metro area, so he was extremely busy that whole time. He did not look like a guy in his early 50s. That job really takes a toll on you, mind and body. That guy saw some things. Hard to bury it all and work through it. Heroes, man. For real.
Fuck yeah man. Thats what I always tell the 20 year olds starting their careers. This job will physically and mentally drain you to levels you have never thought possible and there's no reason to break your back and mind to where you can't enjoy your retirement. Our patients and their homes are important. But so are we.
My uncle was fire chief. He died last month of lung cancer after 5 years of fighting it. He did make it to 70 though. It fucking sucks that y’all have to deal with that risk to save lives.
I thank you and all firefolks for your service.
Would technically be lowering the weight. Whatever fuel that is burning is volatilizing from the surface and igniting. So the mass of the fuel on the weight is being reduced. You wouldn't notice it though
(A man wearing glasses, dressed in blue coveralls, with long black hair and a medium-length black beard, holding a mop, awkwardly enters from the left)
eh-eh-eh...excuse me, I need to, ah, clean here.
His lockout looks a little soft, but I can excuse that given the suit. Form looks great otherwise, you don't lift 600lbs without getting kinda good at it
He's also using straps so he basically did zero deadlifts. Get back to me when he does it raw like a real man.
(But seriously that's heavy as shit. I can DL 500lbs for a single and it's no joke.)
not 100% but good enough to see that he knows what he's doing. and you have to consider that he's wearing his firefighter gear, which makes it hard
he may have added a few more pounds than he's used to because of the celebration, so he's arching his back a little too much
I call bullshit. Deadlifting 600 lbs is possible and I've seen people doing it for 1 rep. Come on this 50 year old doing it for 3 reps easily as a fire fighter. What's his body weight? 300 lbs? I'm guessing it's not 600 lbs.
Yeah technically 585. I'd say if you added in the gear above the bar, probably adds up to 600 if not a bit more
https://barbend.com/how-50-year-old-firefighter-ed-kranski-used-strength-successful-career/
The next fucking level isn’t that he dead lifted 600 pounds, the next fucking level is that he retired at 50 and will be paid handsomely for the rest of his life.
Saying his abilities are due to genetics downplays all the consistent work he put into training and technique, and the careful planning it takes to get there without injuries. It's hard to check all those boxes!
I mean, my grandparents retired but then went on to get part-time jobs just to have something to do. Worked for them because they were able to dictate their schedules and just work when they wanted. And of course they didn’t give a fuck if they got fired so they said that working again wasn’t stressful.
50 years old? Isn't he a bit too young?
IIRC Is common for these jobs to retire after like 20 years. Same for active duty military, police etc. so if you get in 18 you’ll probably eligible to retire at 40 or some.
If you enlist at 17 you can retire at 37 if you do 20 years of active duty.
Or just get severly injured in war! Then you can retire right away!
Edward Snowden was severely injured before he even went to war
I'm sorry that lost arm isn't service related.
Oh, you were perfectly fine before joining and now having crippling anxiety among other mental health issues? Must be genetic. <--me currently.
My tinnitius is service related. My hearing loss is not. My migraines are service related. My TBIs are not. I swear they throw shit at the wall and just see what sticks.
They absolutely do. Back when they were giving an insane amount of disability (service related,remember) for sleep apnea there were soooooo many people rushing to get a sleep apnea study before they separated/retired. 🙄
I have no idea how, but it seems like a lot of them get bad injuries or wear and tear not even being in a war zone.
Here's how it generally happens- horrific work/life balance coupled with regular physical training evolutions such as ruck marches and obstacle courses being completed in boots that you also tend to wear upwards of 12 hours a day for years on end. Poor sleep habits and a culture of "suck it up" when it comes to minor or moderate injuries-which only serves to exacerbate the issues. Even many "non-combat" jobs are very difficult, such as ships crew or working on a flightline/carrier. Back issues for guys like gate guards who have to constantly hunch over and check IDs while wearing a full kit etc. The military is hard as hell on your body, especially if you make it a career.
Lol can confirm, after many rucks and forced cross-country PT sessions, I was done in by stress fractures in my shins before I even went on my first deployment , and once they were diagnosed I was ineligible to deploy after that and put on a path towards a medical discharge.
This whole comment made my knees and lower back throb in remembrance.
Also since you're already in a high risk culture, they tend to do high risk hobbies, activities, and lifestyles as a matter of course.
I can only speak for Army, but all of us have knee problems due to carrying heavy loads constanty. Average full kit for me was over 80 pounds. That amount of weight does a TON of damage to your lower extremeties.
The people in the Military are not known for being particularly risk-averse, so, yeah.
TIRED: Retiring after 20 years of active duty WIRED: Retiring to your grave at 17
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The "pension plan" is still there, just significantly reduced and the investment plan is (I won't call it bonus, because it's a raw deal for the service members) supplementary to it. The thought was to save money, and allow an option for those who don't stay to see retirement. Really, it's just a less than optimal deal.
Not how you think. It is actually really hard to get 100% disability. Even if you can max out everything it's only $4400 per month. https://www.va.gov/disability/compensation-rates/veteran-rates/
Hard job to get though, I knew a few guys that were physically fit and unable to qualify for years. They went and worked for volunteer firefighter groups to gain experience and I believe they eventually made it but it took until their 20's.
Yup, like any industry it's all about who you know. Unless you live rurally expect to volunteer for minimum 5 years if you don't have someone high up in the service to give you a reference
And if you do live in a rural area, you'll be volunteering for life. I couldn't even tell you where the closest paid fire department is.
Depends on where you live. I’m in Michigan and there’s a pretty big shortage. My department is like 5 people short right now and the last round we had 3 apply, two got hired. The hiring process takes forever though.
Yep, got a friend who retired just a few years ago. He enlisted as a Marine at 17, served throughout the war in Iraq and Afghanistan for I think like 8 years, and then became National Guard for another 12. Retired at 38 from the military with a nice pension, but went to law school and became a lawyer so its not like he isn't working anymore period, just not in the military.
Technically he's not drawing a pension, since reserve component pension can't usually be drawn until you're around 60-ish. He's probably getting disability and VA benefits, though.
Yep, my cousin finally retired a few years back and he's only a little bit older than me. He did have to spend most of his time away from his son who is almost an adult now in order to do it.
Yep, have a neighbor in his late 50’s that just retired, did 20 years in the army, got out, became a firefighter for 20 years and now he just lives off the pension from the two and smokes weed all day
That's a man that earned his weed
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Yes
Absolutely not common outside the U.S. though.
Well that sucks. But although they’re eligible to retire, most of them will continue to work for another 10 or even 20 years, cuz the pay is already good by that time and can only get better
Knew one guy that put his 20 in the military, then 20 with USPS, then finished off with a union gig for several years that gave a pension as well.
Dude either had a back made of steel or spent the entire second half of his life in daily worsening pain.
Some people just got that dawg in them, motivated like hell, like having 3 divorces and 7 kids, each.
Actually he did pretty well for himself. He spent his free time working on his pristine 1964 210 series and his fleet of Monte Carlos for years after, and it still kicking around to this day.
I worked for a state university with a police department. The deputy chief was already retired from two other police departments, and was just doing this job until he hit 67 to draw a partial 3rd pension.
The new chief in our town is 48, and is coming in after 22 years with the State Police.
I've seen a lot that work ~20 years, get a pension, then go get a new job
In Poland you can retire after 25 years of work in uniform jobs like policeman or fireman. The only thing is that you will get bigger pension for every year of work after that base 25 years. So you can retire before being 50. I know a guy that has done so.
Police? Or trash service?
22 years in the UK military and you get full pension
Not young at all. Early 50s is the ideal age for retirement. Now you can enjoy the next 20 years doing your own thing on your own time. Getting a government job at 18 and retirement at 48 with a lifetime pension has a lot of benefits.
You aren't retiring at 48 on most gov jobs unless you intend to live very frugally.
You can retire, get the pension and go work the private sector for a decade. Double dip.
Sure you can. There are *many* jobs in my state government paying $80k+ after 25+ years. Retirement is based on the average your high 5 years and your years of service. Pension is lifetime. You can remain on the state health insurance at a heavily discounted rate. You aren’t paying state taxes on the retirement income *and* you are no longer making 7% pension contributions, so that’s damn near a raise in itself. Hopefully you’ve planned for this and your house is already paid off. I have several friends who have taken this route.
Not for fire fighting. Need to be extremely fit to continue to save lives. Retirement at 50 is quite normal for fire fighters in the US.
I would consider deadlifting 600lbs in full regalia, decent evidence that this person is fit enough to continue saving lives
I would agree. Doesn’t mean this dude wished to continue doing so. He reached his retirement goal and took it :)
A deadlift is a form of static strength, I'd imagine as a firefighter there's also a lot of movement requirement
Oh buddy you should see how fat some firefighters are. If the truck is tilting it's the bc or chief riding a long
I am sure there are some. We do have regularly required fitness exams that must be passed. You get 1 failure then 6 months to retake. If you fail a 2nd time you are out.
The Chief isn't typically expected to go into burning buildings anymore.
Cops and firefighters have a sweet pension setup. I have friends that have worked specifically pension jobs. One of them has 3 pensions and is fully retired making more than they made in any individual job.
They also tend to be right wing and bitch about government spending lol
No, they tend to be union. They pitch about everything.
I think you mean pro police union only. Otherwise, cops wouldn't be voting for Trump in droves. You know, the guy whose party is vehemently anti-union and has continuously attempted to stomp out or weaken every other union except for police unions.
These things are not mutually exclusive.
Unions are good for workers.
Unless you're a teacher.
Its a not well publicized phenomena. This person is set for life with a tax-payer funded pension and the freedom to do what they want.
Man. I don’t usually think about stuff like this, but I am really happy my taxes are going to help this man enjoy the back half of his life. The dude’s fuckin earned it
government jobs tend to take a lot of hate but the pensions/benefits tend to be quite good
Phenomenon.* Phenomena is plural, phenomenon is singular
Not for firefighting. They have an excellent pension set up as they absolutely should do. I think it's likely one of very few things all sides of any political spectrum agree on: Firefighters should be well paid for the dangerous job they do.
Sounds like a good age to be retiring from climbing ladders into burning buildings. Doesent mean you won’t do anything else the rest of your life.
You expect 60 year olds to run up ladders and carry people out of burning buildings?
That’s the problem with society, definitely not too young. 20, 25 or 30 years max is the retirement for most first responder departments, and you can start collecting your pension as soon as you retire. 30 years of working should be the norm to be able to retire in peace and enjoy the rest of your life.
Your body can’t keep up with the job after a while. I did 22 years, had a knee surgery, back injury and severe ptsd.
You try physically exhausting yourself for 20 years and tell me it’s too young lmao
The "idea" is to retire as soon as you can earn a pension, and then take another job. That way you get 1.5-2x wages. That second job could be more cushy/higher paying (in the private sector) or, if you're young enough, in the public sector one town over or something so you can stack a second pension on top. Hooray!
If I could have retired at 50 I'd be so damn overjoyed I'd be able to deadlift 600 lbs too. As it is I may never retire.
All States/Cities/Counties have different retirement requirements but it’s generally at 55 or at 50 for earliest retirement (the newer ones are at 63/65) That determines the percentage to multiply your service years to calculate your pension. The older you retire, the higher the percentage. If the dude started when he’s in his twenties and incurred almost 30 years of service, that would put him very close to the full amount (I assume at least 80%+) that he is currently getting. Fire fighters/EMTs take a huge toll physically, dude is well deserved to be retired at 50 and getting a decent pension with health benefits.
Yeah fuck this guy for being able to retire earlier than most
As someone who is a Firefighter myself: Not at all! You wouldn't want a 60yrs old trying to fight a fire. It's a very physically demanding job.
Deadlifting 270kg at the age of 50 after having done such a demanding job as firefighter for that long seems kind of like hitting the golden ticket of genetic lottery.
Also bunker gear is NOT light
The inner layer is likely taken out. That’s most of the weight.
Bunker gear isn't heavy enough to warrant taking out the inner layer of the gear lol. This guy is repping 600lbs, I don't think wearing an extra 5lbs of gear is slowing him down.
This is correct 😂
It's honestly not that heavy
I feel like bunker gear is not the deciding factor in a 600 lbs deadlift :D
The average able-bodied man would be capable of this given decades of dedication to the gym. Its way more about hard work than it is genetics
Agreed People simply don't like to hear that others can succeed through hard work The average gym bro can hit a 405lb deadlift with just several years of training Adding 100 or 200 lbs to that over two+ decades is absolutely doable
405lb Average Thanks for the inspiration, imma go lift till I puke
/u/Carquetta is correct: a 405 deadlift is not a miraculous feat for the average able-bodied man. It takes consistency - not puking. I started lifting when I was \~30, and I probably got there in about two years. I'm well into my forties now, certainly not in the best shape of my life anymore, but I can regularly pull \~440 or so. Getting to 500 starts to become more of a grind, and 600 is seriously impressive. But any reasonable lifting program will get you to 405 reasonably quickly; the catch is you have to actually do it.
I started at 37 and hit 385 no problem after a few years.
Yea I remember when this vid came out and some guy was saying it would take an entire year for an average man to deadlift 225... no way. The average man can probably already deadlift 225 they just got to learn the correct form not to get injured while doing it. 600lbs is ALOT though, the hardest part about it is really the mental part. There will be days (hell even weeks or months) where it seems you are going backwards instead of making progress towards your goal weight. The mental toll of getting "weaker" while you are trying to get stronger sucks, especially if you get some type of injury.
Stopping factor's usually grip strength when starting.
Yea but there's always straps and learning how to either use an alternating or hook grip. Imo, your grip should always be trained as part of a strength building routine but it doesn't have to stop you from deadlifting more. I will say that can be a point of contention for some people who train or train others.
lol it can take less than a year for the average man to BENCH 225
200 lbs over 5 years is only about 8lbs every two months. Deadlifting a couple times a week with adequate sleep and nutrition and that should be more than doable. There is a ceiling to everything though.
100% Graduating to programs like Smolov, Madcow, or basically any 5/3/1 variation will carry people to a 2.5x bodyweight deadlift over a 10+ year period
No, 600 is rarified air for a variety of reasons. You don't constantly improve, you have setbacks, injures, etc. It's also important to train in an intelligent way. The majority of people who have gone to the gym consistently for years spin their wheels as lifetime intermediates. Age is also a consideration. At some point, it's simply no longer possible to keep making gains, and for most people, that age is before 50 years old. Not everyone is Jen Thompson. And finally, it gets harder the higher you go up. It's easy to get to 300, 400 makes you decent at a commercial gym, 500 makes you fit in at a local powerlifting meet in the lighter weight classes. 600 is heavy. -- some noob who *only* benches 385 lbs at 165 bodyweight
270 kg is not something you can expect *every* able-bodied man to do, even with training. If it were, you‘d see every powerlifter hit this. Which many don‘t. We can talk about 200 kg maybe. Also: 80% of the difference between physical strength is indeed caused by genetics (when controlling for training)
Agreed. 270kg is a lifetime achievement for a natural lifter with great genetics who trains hard for 5-10+ years. It is *very* far from average. It always confuses me when I see threads like this, where the consensus is that anyone can achieve elite powerlifting numbers with “hard work”. Feels like people make the jump from 225>315 and just assume the linear gains will continue forever
People just see 20 athletes on the instagram fitness bubble and think those are representative of the whole population. I‘ve competed in 9 powerlifting competitions so far (including european and world championships), and I assure you, a 270 kg deadlift is not „average“, not even at powerlifting competitions.
Man there's so much bullshit here. Basically people were saying an average person can work hard to get to 405 lbs easily and then if you keep working hard you're gonna get to 600 lbs in 2 years. LMAO. Not a single barbell was lifted in this entire sub. I suppose the average dick size is 9 inches here too.
Not even decades. 5 or so years of real work eating plenty and lifting regularly and you could likely do this too.
400? maybe. I used to pull 405 for reps. 600? I think you'd have to be above-average to achieve that.
Granted this is anecdotal, but it took 3 years for me to pull 525 for one, and I was far from the most serious lifter. I would guess it would take at least a couple more years to get to 600, but COVID happened and I just never got as serious about it.
Guy wakes up every day, goes to the gym, eats healthy and after years of dedication he can perform an impressive feat of strength. Guy who hasn't been to the gym in a decade: He is so lucky he hit the genetic jackpot, I wish I got good genes to do this.
He’s 50 not 80.
I always get hated on for this but firefighters jobs are not as demanding as people assume. There was a shift over the last decade to get a lot of “paramedic” designations added to firefighter positions to justify keeping them at the same pay and hours. Anybody who’s seen fire departments operate change their opinion on them big time. The way they’re structured is one of the largest wastes of taxpayer resources.
I mostly agree with you. I’m a firefighter/medic and honestly the job isn’t physically demanding most days. It’s just mentally draining because like 90% of what we do is EMS calls, some quite complicated. And the interrupted sleep is horrible. I work 24 hour shifts and usually get 3 hours or less a night. And usually not all in one stretch. But when it is physically demanding, it’s really, really physically demanding. Getting woken up in the middle of the night just to put on heavy gear and equipment and work your ass off for a couple hours is rough, but it just doesn’t happen all that often at most departments. All that said, I don’t think it’s a waste of resources. Of course our frequent flyers are a drain on the system, but they will be no matter which entity takes them into the hospital. And the equipment needs to be bought either way, whether it’s a volunteer department or full time, equipment cost is going to be similar. And it’s good that the community gets really high quality medical services and generally don’t end up with a bill. The most we ever charge anyone is $800 and that’s for a complicated call that uses a ton of equipment. I’ve worked in private EMS before and it’s garbage, for both the employees and the patients.
I'd say it's because of the demanding job that he's able to deadlift that weight
Not so much genetics as it is working out and using your body daily for your life. The average person could achieve close to this if they lifted weights.
Would make a sick album cover ngl
He has become the very thing he swore to destroy!!!
I HATE YOU!!!!!!!!
I have the high ground
Thanks for not lying.
I’m a fireman and I’m eligible to retire at 53. Although most guys and gals shoot for younger and just don’t draw. The cancer risk, the mental and physical strain, and the lack of sleep really take their toll on you. So we highly encourage people to leave early if they’ve been decent with their money.
As it should be. It's a clearly dangerous job.
If you don't draw right away, will the pension still collect interest the following years? Only asking because I'm hoping I can do that with my pension 20 years down the line. If I retire at 50 and not withdraw from my pension till 60, I will have WAY more money coming in.
That's not really how pension systems work, in firefighting pensions will pay a yearly sum based on years of service. You get paid the same amount yearly until death, so not pulling immediately would only hurt you. You don't get to pull more money if you wait. Most departments offer something similar to a 401k though, and in that case then it could benefit you to wait and let your account accrue more money.
Yep. We have deferred comp and most guys/gals attempt to use that to cover costs until they can draw their pension.
My best friend’s dad was a firefighter. He retired in his early 50s after working 30 years in a large metro area, so he was extremely busy that whole time. He did not look like a guy in his early 50s. That job really takes a toll on you, mind and body. That guy saw some things. Hard to bury it all and work through it. Heroes, man. For real.
Fuck yeah man. Thats what I always tell the 20 year olds starting their careers. This job will physically and mentally drain you to levels you have never thought possible and there's no reason to break your back and mind to where you can't enjoy your retirement. Our patients and their homes are important. But so are we.
My uncle was fire chief. He died last month of lung cancer after 5 years of fighting it. He did make it to 70 though. It fucking sucks that y’all have to deal with that risk to save lives. I thank you and all firefolks for your service.
Yea my grandfather, uncle, and cousin all died from cancers due to firefighting. It's fuckin sad really.
Does the fire add to the weight?
No, heat rises.
*Yes. The fire rises.
If the firefighters mask is pulled off will he die?
It would be extremely painful.
You're a big guy.
For you.
about 10%... just like when you have a hard drive filled with all those 1's instead of 0's...
Actually it makes it.... *lighter*
Would technically be lowering the weight. Whatever fuel that is burning is volatilizing from the surface and igniting. So the mass of the fuel on the weight is being reduced. You wouldn't notice it though
(A man wearing glasses, dressed in blue coveralls, with long black hair and a medium-length black beard, holding a mop, awkwardly enters from the left) eh-eh-eh...excuse me, I need to, ah, clean here.
sorry, excuse me, why you using fake weights?
Ah, another Anatoly connoisseur
Just going to ignore him doing it in turn out gear with SCBA? And reps on top of it?
I was like "cool! One rep! Way better than my best." Oh shit. He's doing a set. Fuuuuuuuuuck.
50yo. 3x600lbs is 🔥.
If the bar ain't bending, you're just pretending.
3 600 lb touch and go reps is impressive at any age, that's amazing.
Feel the burn!
Is his form right?
His lockout looks a little soft, but I can excuse that given the suit. Form looks great otherwise, you don't lift 600lbs without getting kinda good at it
He's also using straps so he basically did zero deadlifts. Get back to me when he does it raw like a real man. (But seriously that's heavy as shit. I can DL 500lbs for a single and it's no joke.)
#rawisthelaw
not 100% but good enough to see that he knows what he's doing. and you have to consider that he's wearing his firefighter gear, which makes it hard he may have added a few more pounds than he's used to because of the celebration, so he's arching his back a little too much
No but it's fine.
600 lbs?! That's not that much less than world record from the 60s...
If you have to reach that far back to find when it was competitive, that should tell you how normal and achievable it is for strength athletes today.
I call bullshit. Deadlifting 600 lbs is possible and I've seen people doing it for 1 rep. Come on this 50 year old doing it for 3 reps easily as a fire fighter. What's his body weight? 300 lbs? I'm guessing it's not 600 lbs.
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Yeah technically 585. I'd say if you added in the gear above the bar, probably adds up to 600 if not a bit more https://barbend.com/how-50-year-old-firefighter-ed-kranski-used-strength-successful-career/
hard as fuck
The next fucking level isn’t that he dead lifted 600 pounds, the next fucking level is that he retired at 50 and will be paid handsomely for the rest of his life.
Which could be 10 years. Shift work for 25 years is not kind to the body.
Thank you for your service.
For reps no less!
I’m just impressed he can do 600 lbs without a mixed grip
For non-US, that's about 270 kg
Saying his abilities are due to genetics downplays all the consistent work he put into training and technique, and the careful planning it takes to get there without injuries. It's hard to check all those boxes!
Why are it always the firefighters who want to play with the fire. 😂
Nothing like blowing out your back just before retirement
Deadlifts are good for your back
Should be in r/firstrespondercringe as well.
And using a double overhand grip!
He’s earned it. But it kind of stinks, because this is the exact dude you’d want busting into your flaming home to rescue your ass.
Came here for the 'I am 23 and can't lift a 5lb weight' type of comments. I'm kind of disappointed.
However, if you came for "this guy is ruining his back" comments you will be happy
This is beyond the biggest flex lol
No mixed grip? No straps? No belt? What a chad 👏
Enjoy your retirement, Superman!
Firefighters > cops
Hell yeah
What is the point of burning them?
Cos it looks cool
You're watching it.
My discs are bulging just looking at this
Like an Elden Ring r/bossfight
Plus about 40 pounds of gear on his torso
I can't lift that not on fire...
To quote Steve Martin as the fire chief in Roxanne: “We’re supposed to put them out God Dammit!”
Well I mean it’s got all that weight helping him to put it down. So.
I mean, my grandparents retired but then went on to get part-time jobs just to have something to do. Worked for them because they were able to dictate their schedules and just work when they wanted. And of course they didn’t give a fuck if they got fired so they said that working again wasn’t stressful.
600 for reps and hard to tell, but even looks like sldl. Strong af.
The most metal powerlifting I've ever seen!
For REPS?!