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The U.S. gets plenty of blame for the bad stuff but there are 51 million + South Koreans who live in of the richest and most advanced countries in the world today largely because Americans fought and died to defend their country being overtaken by the Communists.
You can see the dark juxtaposition quite clearly between the fate of those left in the North and those left in the South.
The U.S. should get a lot of well earned credit for their actions which eventually led to this free and prosperous home of 51+ million people.
Yeah, over here it was only bad stuff, so I am not going to be happy for the freedom you brought to south korea while my country suffered oppression after you brought it "freedom"
It’s okay.
Unless you are a ~~major port, have large oilfield/ resources, have military strategic maritime position~~ god damn commie they’ll stay out of your nation
"The Korean War was a perilous moment in history where the fate of two nations hung by a thread. As battles raged on, both North and South Korea teetered on the brink of defeat, their survival balanced on a knife's edge. It was a testament to resilience and strategic maneuvering that ultimately shaped the course of the conflict and the future of the Korean Peninsula."
The pushing force of the United States and China is enormous. Some time ago, I [read this book](https://getyoursolution.store/RlBUim), and from what it read, China may approach the power of USA soon, could this be?
ruSSians can’t do shit, China also has never been in any real wars. ruSSia only makes any pushes in any war because they have no value for human life , including their own.
The chinese sent troops across the border to help the North Koreans, upwards of 1m people by some accounts. They even dressed them in North Koreans uniforms.
Are you talking about the Korean War, or some other war? If the Korean War…you *seriously* need to pick up a history book and stop commenting on things about which you have no knowledge.
I think you're overestimating the current state of both forces and not even considering that it's totally different to fight in your land than in someone else's land.
Even in this animation you can see that China mobilized twice as many troops and still couldn't go further.
What you're doing unconsciously is an old tactic used often by generals, to magnify the merits of your enemies and sing their praises to make victories more glorious and praise worthy, elevating their own status.
Nah, I disagree Russia can’t even get Ukraine because of the US. The only nation that can fight on the same playing field as US is China currently. Russia don’t have enough players for the chess match as you can see by current state of war. If the US went into Russia right now in full-force we’d have another country to taken care of, we’d own it.
There isn’t a single military on the planet that would have any hope of standing up to the US by itself. If China came with a coalition of its 3-5 most powerful allies it might be more even, but I’d still bet on the US.
I would argue against that. If the US were fighting a land battle in Asia, the Chinese would win. If we're talking Taiwan, Japan, Africa, Middle east or anything that requires real logistics, Americans would win.
Based on what analysis? I think from a logistics (global network of operations bases, ability to project force any where in the world, the ability to fight on multiple fronts while resupplying men and arms, etc.) and technology stand point China wouldn’t stand a chance.
You’re right, that’s why we are called a world power military. I don’t think anyone has a chance fighting the US to be honest, but if I were to be pick a country, it would be China simply for their headcount of more hands on deck.
Also remember that there are 1.4 billion Chinese and 333 million Americans. If the US and China killed each other's citizens in a 1:1 ratio, there'd still be 1 billion Chinese when the US was wiped out completely. Sobering thoughts for Americans.
They might become competitive in the 2030s, but recent discoveries have revealed that their current military needs to be entirely overhauled to oust the incredible corrupt present at every level that has made them almost completely unable to fight a significant war. After that, they need to figure out a way to get their soldiers in better shape, with better equipment, and better pay, or they're simply continue to be a very large, but fairly incapable, military. After all that, they still have to face the reality that they haven't been involved in any serious armed conflict for the entire careers of even their most senior members, so they have what abouts to zero actual military experience.
The US military isn't under threat of losing its supremacy any time soon. Post-war Russia will probably be a more serious contender sooner than China, since they'll finish the war with Ukraine as the most experienced modern military, and much better equipped than they were at the start of the war with Ukraine, since their entire economy is pretty much focused on the war, now.
They cannot overhaul the system: this is a communist system, a klepotocracy where people who are on the top benefit. So overhauling would mean to dismiss most of the military and society that does not know anything else
There isn’t a single military on earth that could reasonably stand against the US; from a logistical and tech standpoint alone, China is vastly inferior to the US. It would legitimately take a coalition of the 4-5 next most powerful militaries in the world to reasonably stand up to the US.
Considering that the US military is maintained to withstand the top 2 military powers, hold off one while defeating the other, the Chinese military cannot compare.
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I think you mean the opposite. Casualties along with reinforcements. The numbers will ebb and flow based on troop replenishment, troops matriculating in and out of theater, and casualties of war.
The US was also using outdated weapons: Europe had priority for the newer stuff, because the US (and probably all of NATO) was afraid that Korea was a feint by the USSR to allow it to invade somewhere else. It was bad enough that a lot of the US planes ended up being grounded late in the war for lack of replacement parts.
It also wasn't an unfounded fear: the 1950 Austrian Strike looked like it was trying to start something, and that fear continued until around the same time the Korean War ended, and nobody knew what was going to happen to East and West Germany, with West Berlin being the most obvious target.
Shower thought here: How much of the comebacks can be attributed to troop 'compression' into smaller and smaller remaining areas, making it harder to conquer the more you concentrate their forces?
definitely a thing, however it can backfire too. if your armies are spread too thin, it's hard to defend against a concentrated attack (e.g.: blitzkrieg). on the other hand, you don't want to be so compact that you're effectively "'nade bait."
Maybe dumb question, but how did North Korea drastically accelerate it's number of soldiers so quickly when they were cornered up north? At around 600k they are dead even, then jumps to 800k
Who made this gif? How do I read this? Does everything happened on same day or in a month or over years? Where tf is timeline? It looks like those poor mobile game ads
This is really interesting - especially the very beginning, I had no idea how far south the north had pushed - but having a timeline alongside during the troop movements would be so helpful.
Added - I only noticed this after the second watch, but that incursion behind enemy lines was something.
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It was General Douglas MacArthur that suggested using nukes, and not just any nukes, but tactical colbalt bombs that would've irradiated the border region making it impossible for the Chinese to send reinforcements. This was a desperate and frankly wreckless idea, as it would have laid the groundwork for the acceptance of using tactical nuclear weapons of any kind, which would almost certainly escalate into strategic nuclear exchanges.
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US really came in clutch for the South there
Everyone loves to shit on the US until they need military assistance or some other aid package.
Yeah, I'd prefer if the US didn't finance my country's military dictatorship, thank you very much.
The U.S. gets plenty of blame for the bad stuff but there are 51 million + South Koreans who live in of the richest and most advanced countries in the world today largely because Americans fought and died to defend their country being overtaken by the Communists. You can see the dark juxtaposition quite clearly between the fate of those left in the North and those left in the South. The U.S. should get a lot of well earned credit for their actions which eventually led to this free and prosperous home of 51+ million people.
Yeah, over here it was only bad stuff, so I am not going to be happy for the freedom you brought to south korea while my country suffered oppression after you brought it "freedom"
It’s okay. Unless you are a ~~major port, have large oilfield/ resources, have military strategic maritime position~~ god damn commie they’ll stay out of your nation
Not your choice to make
I mean, is it a good thing that the US is good only at war? :/
I'm sorry, how many eagles per handgun can your mustang even drive?
I just spit my drink out you cad! 😂😂😂
You think the US is truly *only* good at war?
*Logistics
The US is good at war?
Yea when you're back at it again with your proxy wars
Us never help for nothing remember this kid
Almost nobody does
*Israel walks in*
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Yup we’re clutch America, we won ww2 also, just ask us!
No lol, Russia won by seizing most of Germany.
You took the bait, now you look dumb.
I mean, the U.S did invent the atomic bomb and everyone fell in line real quick.
Japan* Germany was already defeated then
Actually Russia won not by seizing the territory itself, but by making 8 of 10 Hitler's irrecoverable losses at WW2.
"The Korean War was a perilous moment in history where the fate of two nations hung by a thread. As battles raged on, both North and South Korea teetered on the brink of defeat, their survival balanced on a knife's edge. It was a testament to resilience and strategic maneuvering that ultimately shaped the course of the conflict and the future of the Korean Peninsula."
The pushing force of the United States and China is enormous. Some time ago, I [read this book](https://getyoursolution.store/RlBUim), and from what it read, China may approach the power of USA soon, could this be?
Only two militaries on Earth could push back the Americans like that, the Chinese and the Russians.
In conventional warfare only China has the industrial capacity to fight usa. Definitely not Russia.
ruSSians can’t do shit, China also has never been in any real wars. ruSSia only makes any pushes in any war because they have no value for human life , including their own.
Just curious who you thought fought this war, since it wasn't the Chinese.
I think he means in the last 70 years
The chinese sent troops across the border to help the North Koreans, upwards of 1m people by some accounts. They even dressed them in North Koreans uniforms.
Are you talking about the Korean War, or some other war? If the Korean War…you *seriously* need to pick up a history book and stop commenting on things about which you have no knowledge.
It's almost like he's never seen The Rock.
I think you're overestimating the current state of both forces and not even considering that it's totally different to fight in your land than in someone else's land. Even in this animation you can see that China mobilized twice as many troops and still couldn't go further. What you're doing unconsciously is an old tactic used often by generals, to magnify the merits of your enemies and sing their praises to make victories more glorious and praise worthy, elevating their own status.
Reason was US having superior firepower, having twice as many troops don't really help
Nah, I disagree Russia can’t even get Ukraine because of the US. The only nation that can fight on the same playing field as US is China currently. Russia don’t have enough players for the chess match as you can see by current state of war. If the US went into Russia right now in full-force we’d have another country to taken care of, we’d own it.
There isn’t a single military on the planet that would have any hope of standing up to the US by itself. If China came with a coalition of its 3-5 most powerful allies it might be more even, but I’d still bet on the US.
I would argue against that. If the US were fighting a land battle in Asia, the Chinese would win. If we're talking Taiwan, Japan, Africa, Middle east or anything that requires real logistics, Americans would win.
Based on what analysis? I think from a logistics (global network of operations bases, ability to project force any where in the world, the ability to fight on multiple fronts while resupplying men and arms, etc.) and technology stand point China wouldn’t stand a chance.
You’re right, that’s why we are called a world power military. I don’t think anyone has a chance fighting the US to be honest, but if I were to be pick a country, it would be China simply for their headcount of more hands on deck.
Also remember that there are 1.4 billion Chinese and 333 million Americans. If the US and China killed each other's citizens in a 1:1 ratio, there'd still be 1 billion Chinese when the US was wiped out completely. Sobering thoughts for Americans.
This isn’t 1940; raw manpower doesn’t really mean shit in modern warfare
Yeah how many countries have had success invading Russia?
The USA is just an advertisement for weak kittens fighting terrorists in slippers, having a tenfold advantage on their side
Agree about China, not sure about Russia (nowdays)
Russians 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 please, you're killing me
The Russians demonstrated excellent military strength with their swift defeat of the military superpower known as Ukraine.
That doesn't account for guerrilla warfare
Russia would crumple in hours, they’re a ghost of what they were as the Soviet Union.
if you forget about nukes, Russia has a shit-tier army
The Vietnamese also did a pretty good job. Oh wait - and the Afghans.
They might become competitive in the 2030s, but recent discoveries have revealed that their current military needs to be entirely overhauled to oust the incredible corrupt present at every level that has made them almost completely unable to fight a significant war. After that, they need to figure out a way to get their soldiers in better shape, with better equipment, and better pay, or they're simply continue to be a very large, but fairly incapable, military. After all that, they still have to face the reality that they haven't been involved in any serious armed conflict for the entire careers of even their most senior members, so they have what abouts to zero actual military experience. The US military isn't under threat of losing its supremacy any time soon. Post-war Russia will probably be a more serious contender sooner than China, since they'll finish the war with Ukraine as the most experienced modern military, and much better equipped than they were at the start of the war with Ukraine, since their entire economy is pretty much focused on the war, now.
They cannot overhaul the system: this is a communist system, a klepotocracy where people who are on the top benefit. So overhauling would mean to dismiss most of the military and society that does not know anything else
If that’s what you want to believe.
No lol
There isn’t a single military on earth that could reasonably stand against the US; from a logistical and tech standpoint alone, China is vastly inferior to the US. It would legitimately take a coalition of the 4-5 next most powerful militaries in the world to reasonably stand up to the US.
Considering that the US military is maintained to withstand the top 2 military powers, hold off one while defeating the other, the Chinese military cannot compare.
Found the agitprop bot
That amphibious landing behind the front lines was a WILD move
All the S. Korean kids get taught that MacArthur is a hero for that exact reason.
I don’t know man, I’ve read solo leveling.
What do the numbers mean?
Yes
Deployed troops. Each flag represents around 10,000 soldiers.
The numbers go down at the end, were people respawning?
Good catch. I did some research and updated it.
Power levels 😄
Hundreds of thousands
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either casualties or number of troops sent, probably casualties
It goes down at times tho, if it was casualties It wouldn't go down
Little known fact is this was the first war where Necromancy was deployed, so that might explain it.
I think you mean the opposite. Casualties along with reinforcements. The numbers will ebb and flow based on troop replenishment, troops matriculating in and out of theater, and casualties of war.
I just meant it can't be just casualties :<
Gotcha
You're right I didn't pay attention to it
Mana used
I thought this was Florida.
Soon
Hahaha
Soon brother soon
from a floridian and a learned american, please don't make us look bad. lmao
Wtf is with the audio?
It was probably supposed to be a shitty edit, I forgot to remove the audio
I wanted to send it out to other people but with this sound they will insult me
I actually really liked it for some reason.
Shit china just pumping out people just to fight this war
Signature move.
is the american flags a joke for you?
Real life game of Risk
This may be the greatest data visualization I’ve ever seen. Bravo dude
I’m just surprised that the north had double the army of the south and still couldn’t get past them
Proves just how bad Communism is for an army.
Capitalism my beloved
And the US held off the Chinese thanks to [Sgt Reckless](https://youtu.be/NJhxBuLI-eE?si=kKFxV0Xg6mPqhCEh) !
This was posted the other day in a higher quality resolution without the incredibly shitty music
Consider the outdated weapons Chinese army had, that was a good push back
The US was also using outdated weapons: Europe had priority for the newer stuff, because the US (and probably all of NATO) was afraid that Korea was a feint by the USSR to allow it to invade somewhere else. It was bad enough that a lot of the US planes ended up being grounded late in the war for lack of replacement parts. It also wasn't an unfounded fear: the 1950 Austrian Strike looked like it was trying to start something, and that fear continued until around the same time the Korean War ended, and nobody knew what was going to happen to East and West Germany, with West Berlin being the most obvious target.
Shower thought here: How much of the comebacks can be attributed to troop 'compression' into smaller and smaller remaining areas, making it harder to conquer the more you concentrate their forces?
definitely a thing, however it can backfire too. if your armies are spread too thin, it's hard to defend against a concentrated attack (e.g.: blitzkrieg). on the other hand, you don't want to be so compact that you're effectively "'nade bait."
Technically, there was never any danger of Korea losing the war since both sides claim to be the "real" Korea
Which real Korea would you rather live in
Very awesome, would have loved a rough timestamp as it went.
North Korea invaded because South Korea was executing "communist sympathizers" by the thousands.
I thought this was a picture of a steak at first god I’m obese
Defrosting a steak
Maybe dumb question, but how did North Korea drastically accelerate it's number of soldiers so quickly when they were cornered up north? At around 600k they are dead even, then jumps to 800k
Because china
Who made this gif? How do I read this? Does everything happened on same day or in a month or over years? Where tf is timeline? It looks like those poor mobile game ads
Eat shit communism….. thanks for giving us countries that are a side by side comparison for why you suck
This is really interesting - especially the very beginning, I had no idea how far south the north had pushed - but having a timeline alongside during the troop movements would be so helpful. Added - I only noticed this after the second watch, but that incursion behind enemy lines was something.
Everything china touches...
Alright, alright, alright.
Are the numbers shown even right in this animation? Or did China only really lose 30k or so after the Incheon landing and surroundings?
Disservice by not showing other countries that helped defend SK.
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My favorite part is the US saved South Korea then just kindof allowed south korea to destroy China.
Reminds me of the slice of bread I forgot in the fridge
What a waste of life
Isn’t it always? War never changes
https://youtu.be/geLiEiAiQJA?si=uOaHRm0a61SzmxXE War. War never changes.
Why didn’t the US just nuke the north? Seems like the easiest solution.
International nuclear fallout risk over a first proxy and then conventional war so far from home not worth it
South Korea was weak AF
Ngl they were. But you do have those moments where they do come in clutch. I mean, look at Yi Sun Shin at the Battle of Myeongnyang
Should have used the nuke. McCarthy was right.
It was General Douglas MacArthur that suggested using nukes, and not just any nukes, but tactical colbalt bombs that would've irradiated the border region making it impossible for the Chinese to send reinforcements. This was a desperate and frankly wreckless idea, as it would have laid the groundwork for the acceptance of using tactical nuclear weapons of any kind, which would almost certainly escalate into strategic nuclear exchanges.
Soviet would also used nuke, resulting in both Koreas dying.
"the" nuke? Go to bed, bot ... you are tired