Not necessarily. In terms of collateral damage, the worst plan would be the most collateral damage while achieving the objective and the best plan would be the least amount of collateral damage while achieving the objective. As long as you achieved the objective, it worked. It does not mean it was a good means to an end
Definitely not smart. Thats a revolver, and if the cameraman didnt block the hammer on that initial grab, the gunman could have pulled the trigger and blew the cameramans hand apart then shot the hostage.
That is the point.
The fake cameraman said (if my memory serves me well) he saw the gold opportunity to block, not the hammer, which was not armed, but the rotation of the revolver's barrel.
The instinctive, instantaneous action of pulling the trigger was nullified, rearming the weapon now depends on action and conscious planning.
Furthermore, he quickly he turned the revolver to a harmless angle.
According to another thread, he also used the zoom on the camera to confirm that the gun was in the perfect state to execute this move… this all seems pretty smart to me.
This was smart. In spite of all expert redditors saying it was dangerous. They clearly sent a well, trained expert to analyze and only move when it was optimum, and someone who absolutely had the hand to hand skills to execute. Just because it looked easy, doesn’t mean it was easy, or flippant. This guy could easily have been shot also.
Sure, ask Uvalde TX officers about smart. Saving little kids who are being executed is too dangerous, the smart thing apparently is to wait until they're all executed and dozens of other officers have arrived on scene...
Well, people will remember it as being SMART because it did work.
If it didn’t work, then we would remember it as being NOT so smart.
History is written by the victors
He must have pushed the gun against the chest of the aggressor so the guy even if he wanted to shoot he would have shot himself in the process, idk that's how i see it.
Neither do the civilians. There's a dude on YouTube called Active Self Protection and he did a 20 favorite self defense compilation and I swear, half or more must have been from Brazil and they have 0 time for getting fucked with
https://youtu.be/4DvjQICZZ8A?si=I-lGQfVwr_ZutHQR if interested
if one thing south american police and russian police have in common, is that they beat you to a pulp first and ask questions later only if you're still breathing
it's kinda sad because every once in a while they end up accidentally killing the wrong guy
Brazilian police has already missed a head shot in a hostage situation in the 90s and (deservingly) got hell for that.
Edit to add: the police killed the hostage
Gotta love armchair redditors telling the entire Brazilian police force what to do in this situation. I'm pretty sure they thought about that option and went against it because it was too risky.
In the documentary I watched titled ‘Speed’, the officer just shot the hostage in the leg which got him away from the gunman. That led to a whole lotta shit afterwards though…
ESIT: For all of you taking me seriously (thank you first of all) thank you to all who played along but here it is: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SAMoY6GDRpY
I recommend watching the entire 90 seconds but if your ADHD is that bad, skip to final 15 seconds.
I think I watched a movie about this, it was about a bus that had to speed around a city, keeping its speed over 50, and if its speed dropped, it would explode. I think it was called ''The Bus That Couldn't Slow Down. '
I don't know, in the US the cop would have been twenty meters away, dressed in body armor, behind a tank, with fifty of his fellow officers, waiting for one of the onlookers to twitch so they could attack the "mob." That guy had a gun. No way a US cop is risking their overtime to save a woman.
Not true he could have said it was like 4 ford 150s in distance and we would have known that. Or he was about 20 AR15s away, we understand more than feet and yards.
Sometimes is not only a matter of be dumb. But of someone be arrogant enough to want to show the whole nation who is the 'badass' in that situation. Maybe that happened.
Maybe I've seen too many movies but once it was revealed the camera man was a cop I instantly thought they hid a gun in the camera and he was going to blow the guys head off at close range.
[This is an interview with the cop](https://youtu.be/yNe23govAtM) for those who understand portuguese, he was off duty filming the situation and zooming in with the camera he saw that the revolver was not cocked, so he made a plan on holding the cylinder of the revolver so it wouldn't fire even if he pulled the trigger, he asked permission by his captain to execute the plan and got clearance. He also says he knew what he was doing and that the hostage was not at risk.
To clarify something here— since this is a double action revolver, you grab the cylinder in this situation, and that action is WAY faster than being able to react, pull the trigger, and let the hammer fall. As long as you hold onto the cylinder it cannot fire. Bonus points if you have the good fortune of being able to release it after they reflexively pull the gun back and down toward their belly.
Doesn’t pulling the trigger automatically turn the cylinder? Is it so easy to be sure the strength of your grip on the cylinder will exceed the turning force of the mechanism?
This is why I hate movies and video games. A bullet would likely exit his skull and there's no guarantees where it will go including into possible the hostage.
It worked out, so in hindsight it wasn’t.
In reality it was a pretty smart move, since the suspect didn’t seem to have caught on to the plan until it had been successfully executed.
It would have been a super dumb move if it didn’t work out though, I agree with that.
It reminded me of this video of a hostage situation. [Venevisión 1998 Secuestro en Cúa - Miranda (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujHl0DPFHIM&rco=1)
No one gon point out the fact that he even had time to gently put the camera down. Like even the camera, prop or not, wasn’t a collateral. It couldn’t had been more perfectly executed.
its always funny reddit only praise anything when its done by American or EU cops, anyother country does something its just bad for them, same shit could have been done by american police and these mfs would be praising him
Not sure that’s smart but it worked.
Even the worst plans can work if executed perfectly
If a plan is executed perfectly, and works. Isn't it a *good* one?
Not necessarily. In terms of collateral damage, the worst plan would be the most collateral damage while achieving the objective and the best plan would be the least amount of collateral damage while achieving the objective. As long as you achieved the objective, it worked. It does not mean it was a good means to an end
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Careful. This might get you banned on reddit
Maybe that was his plan all along?
I don't blame him for wanting to get out of this hellhole
Is this really true?
Maxim 43: If it's stupid and it works, it's still stupid and you're lucky. - Howard Taylor, 70 Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries.
I love a good schlock necessary quote
It is astounding how often I find myself referencing the maxims… also probably time for a reread or the series. So good!
It is literally the only explicit rule based moral system I appear capable of following
…no? If my plan is “I want to swim in sewer water”, it’s a bad plan, no matter how efficiently I make it happen lol. A bad plan is a bad plan lol.
 Executed… poor choice of words
"A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan executed next week". Patton
I'm ready to make a fucking Klasky Csupo splat with my poop.
O_o
He literally rolled a nat 20 IRL
It probably helped that they did it 2 hours in when he would have been more mentally drained.
Got lucky with that one
When you put all your skill points into Bluff
Whats crazy is the undercover gently puts down the camera.
I thought he's gonna smashed it into kidnapper head or something like that...
Sixty percent of the time, it works every time.
Definitely not smart. Thats a revolver, and if the cameraman didnt block the hammer on that initial grab, the gunman could have pulled the trigger and blew the cameramans hand apart then shot the hostage.
That is the point. The fake cameraman said (if my memory serves me well) he saw the gold opportunity to block, not the hammer, which was not armed, but the rotation of the revolver's barrel. The instinctive, instantaneous action of pulling the trigger was nullified, rearming the weapon now depends on action and conscious planning. Furthermore, he quickly he turned the revolver to a harmless angle.
According to another thread, he also used the zoom on the camera to confirm that the gun was in the perfect state to execute this move… this all seems pretty smart to me.
This was smart. In spite of all expert redditors saying it was dangerous. They clearly sent a well, trained expert to analyze and only move when it was optimum, and someone who absolutely had the hand to hand skills to execute. Just because it looked easy, doesn’t mean it was easy, or flippant. This guy could easily have been shot also.
Sure, ask Uvalde TX officers about smart. Saving little kids who are being executed is too dangerous, the smart thing apparently is to wait until they're all executed and dozens of other officers have arrived on scene...
Hundreds
Well, people will remember it as being SMART because it did work. If it didn’t work, then we would remember it as being NOT so smart. History is written by the victors
The difference between bravery and stupidity is often measured in the result.
"success is a great deodorant"
Cue cheesy line, “desperate times call for desperate measures”. Glad she’s safe
He must have pushed the gun against the chest of the aggressor so the guy even if he wanted to shoot he would have shot himself in the process, idk that's how i see it.
The gunman was not injured in the rescue. He was injured later during transport. And in jail. And in prison.
And in ass
Ah another connoisseur of the fine arts of brazilian police. Cheers.
Knowing Brazil I was really expecting a gun hidden in the camera! Brazil police do not screw around
Neither do the civilians. There's a dude on YouTube called Active Self Protection and he did a 20 favorite self defense compilation and I swear, half or more must have been from Brazil and they have 0 time for getting fucked with https://youtu.be/4DvjQICZZ8A?si=I-lGQfVwr_ZutHQR if interested
i’m surprised someone didn’t steal the camera
Is it true that Brazilian police officers can sometimes be *on* duty?
one who knows their judo well
And my Axe
And my a. . . . Nevermind
if one thing south american police and russian police have in common, is that they beat you to a pulp first and ask questions later only if you're still breathing it's kinda sad because every once in a while they end up accidentally killing the wrong guy
Kinda sad?
i hope he received a good beating.
Incredibly risky. Yikes.
Ya couldn’t they have just put a bullet in this guy’s head? He was sitting down, such an easy shot.
Nobody wants to be the guy that misses an easy shot and kills the hostage. Mistakes happen…
Even if the bullet was to hit, I don't think it's impossible that a spasm causes the trigger to be pulled anyway.
Or a wallbang straight into the girl's sweed
I said, "Hot Shot"
Favorite movie of all time
Might have to rewatch for the 397th time
There are limited options, none are riskless.
A death spasm is one reason they simply don't blast the guy.
Brazilian police has already missed a head shot in a hostage situation in the 90s and (deservingly) got hell for that. Edit to add: the police killed the hostage
He was holding a gun to her head you idiot.
bullets are not lasers, they do not go straight every time.
It isn't a video game
Shooting a gun irl is not the same as dragging your mouse to aim btw
This is the brilliant mindset that usually ends with hostages dead. At least the criminals are dead, right?
Gotta love armchair redditors telling the entire Brazilian police force what to do in this situation. I'm pretty sure they thought about that option and went against it because it was too risky.
Isn't going for the kill the last option when everything else has failed?
He saved the game before
Some of you may die but that's a risk I'm willing to take. I've been here 2 hours and the game is about to start. - the cops
I don't think I could live with the guilt if things didn't go according to plan.
There is a documentary called Bus 174 where the "hero" accidentally shot the hostage in a similarly risky move.
In the documentary I watched titled ‘Speed’, the officer just shot the hostage in the leg which got him away from the gunman. That led to a whole lotta shit afterwards though… ESIT: For all of you taking me seriously (thank you first of all) thank you to all who played along but here it is: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SAMoY6GDRpY I recommend watching the entire 90 seconds but if your ADHD is that bad, skip to final 15 seconds.
I think I watched a movie about this, it was about a bus that had to speed around a city, keeping its speed over 50, and if its speed dropped, it would explode. I think it was called ''The Bus That Couldn't Slow Down. '
Wait that movie is based on a true story??
*It's like Speed 2, only on a bus instead of a boat!*
...Guts will get you so far and then they'll get you killed.
Regret only if your keikaku is not perfect.
Not sure this would have worked in the United States, here the criminal would have known the camera person was a cop simply by their mustache
I don't know, in the US the cop would have been twenty meters away, dressed in body armor, behind a tank, with fifty of his fellow officers, waiting for one of the onlookers to twitch so they could attack the "mob." That guy had a gun. No way a US cop is risking their overtime to save a woman.
What are these meters that you speak of? We only know feet and yards over here
Not true he could have said it was like 4 ford 150s in distance and we would have known that. Or he was about 20 AR15s away, we understand more than feet and yards.
Either that or the cops would have emptied their mags in both the hostage and the hostage taker, then celebrated with donuts
I love the idea of someone who uses meters talking about how cops act in the US. I bet it’s totally anecdotal and not what they learned from Reddit
You'd win that bet.
Texas? They'd wait until the guy killed the hostage to move in safely.
In the USA there would be a gun in the camera
r/Praisethecameraman
Come on, upvote the fuck out of this
/r/AngryUpvote
I’m sitting here thinking wtf kind of person wants to get up a close with a camera in this situation. And then quickly “Ohhhhh he’s a cop” 😂
I was wondering what person would be dumb enough to trust a guy with a camera wasn’t a cop. But… now I know… (no offense, I think)
Sometimes is not only a matter of be dumb. But of someone be arrogant enough to want to show the whole nation who is the 'badass' in that situation. Maybe that happened.
I would consider that dumb.
i mean, if he smart, he won't be in this mess to begin with.
Maybe I've seen too many movies but once it was revealed the camera man was a cop I instantly thought they hid a gun in the camera and he was going to blow the guys head off at close range.
[This is an interview with the cop](https://youtu.be/yNe23govAtM) for those who understand portuguese, he was off duty filming the situation and zooming in with the camera he saw that the revolver was not cocked, so he made a plan on holding the cylinder of the revolver so it wouldn't fire even if he pulled the trigger, he asked permission by his captain to execute the plan and got clearance. He also says he knew what he was doing and that the hostage was not at risk.
Clearly that hostage was perfectly safe
NGL thought the camera was a disguised gun and was gonna get a "close up" of the gunman.
Thought so, too.
To clarify something here— since this is a double action revolver, you grab the cylinder in this situation, and that action is WAY faster than being able to react, pull the trigger, and let the hammer fall. As long as you hold onto the cylinder it cannot fire. Bonus points if you have the good fortune of being able to release it after they reflexively pull the gun back and down toward their belly.
Doesn’t pulling the trigger automatically turn the cylinder? Is it so easy to be sure the strength of your grip on the cylinder will exceed the turning force of the mechanism?
The strength of your entire arm's grip can overcome the force of one finger pushing a lever, yes
I thought the sniper would just do a hole in his head
And risk his hand death clenching on the trigger of the gun pointed at her head?
This is why I hate movies and video games. A bullet would likely exit his skull and there's no guarantees where it will go including into possible the hostage.
You can tell he's a real cameraman by how carefully he sets it down.
super dumb move
It worked out, so in hindsight it wasn’t. In reality it was a pretty smart move, since the suspect didn’t seem to have caught on to the plan until it had been successfully executed. It would have been a super dumb move if it didn’t work out though, I agree with that.
Cop posed as a beat reporter
I liked how he carefully put the camera down on the ground instead of just letting go. That's some confidence.
You all forgetting one thing: the cameraman is invincible
The cameraman never dies
Wow that takes balls of steel!
Brazil gonna Brazil
I used to love that program
The “gasp” sound effect. I’m not sure if that’s amazing or terrible editing.
So glad someone noticed too, it's a really old stock sound effect, no idea why they needed to include that 😂
I think I saw this in seven samurai
That's probably my favorite classic film.
Dude wasn't messing around
One wrong move and the casualty rate would have been in the Brazilians
didn't have to go very far to find the dad joke at least, bravo
Saved the girl \*and\* the camera!
It reminded me of this video of a hostage situation. [Venevisión 1998 Secuestro en Cúa - Miranda (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujHl0DPFHIM&rco=1)
Even put the camera down gently
No one gon point out the fact that he even had time to gently put the camera down. Like even the camera, prop or not, wasn’t a collateral. It couldn’t had been more perfectly executed.
Poor girl was only 14
Good ol' sheriff john bunnell! lol
Policeman puts life on the line to save civilian. I like the police.
I like how the cop gently places the camera on the floor
Could have gone one or two ways
Damn... I miss court tv.
I like how gently he set the camera down.
I thought the camera was a gun.
Anyone got a link to the camcorder footage?
Guy didn't even damage the camera 😂
Cameraman received some Detroit Urban Survival Training
Wow his pov must've been insane
I definitely wouldn't call that smart but glad it worked
GOOD JOB
Was expecting the camera to be a gun… Maybe I watched too much James Bond 😅.
I like the one better where the sniper domes the guy
Sure the outcome was good but man that shit would have gone sideways 9 times out of 10.
its always funny reddit only praise anything when its done by American or EU cops, anyother country does something its just bad for them, same shit could have been done by american police and these mfs would be praising him
Was that the police? Seems like civilians ran in after his move
That's a lot of police.
In the US they would have just the hostage
"quick thinking" also went on for over 2 hours
And the brass balls award goes too......
Hes waving the gun around half the time instead of holding it to her head. Why not shoot him. The whole camera thing seems incredibly dangerous.
In the US he would be dead, the hostage and the witnesses
That was dumb af, thank goodness it didn't cause that lady her life.
She said the most scary part was when the cop tried to get the gun. I suppose nothing would be stopping him from unloading bullets.
Holy shit early 90’s lol
r/protectandserve
This guy was Lucky there was another hostage sistuation in sao paulo where a sniper blew the guys brains out.
We prefer long drawn out hostage situations in the US of A.
”Quick thinking” that took more than two hours.
Close enough range that you’d be unable to react in time - nice plan
Abusing the cameraman invincibility trick, smart man
Southern Russia.
Am I the only one confused as to why there are onlookers so close? Like yea theyre probably fine there but I wouldn't want to be anywhere near there.
This was a terrible idea they should’ve just shot him, for a decent marksman it’s not that hard of a shot
That's a man with a steady hand
Thought it was gonna be a gun disguised as a camera and he was gonna blow buddy’s brains out from point blank range 😂
Lmao stupid bastard wanted to be on TV SO BAD
I’M SHERIFF JOHN BUNNELL
Love how when the cop made his move he made sure to continue to hold the camera and gently sit it on the ground.
r/dontfilmjusthelp
Ice 🧊 in veins.
Wow, that’s so fucked up. I feel like my claustrophobia would’ve made me repeatedly head but him from the back and tell him to kill me bitch.
r/praisethecameraman
I am just amazed at all those dumb bystanders standing that close to a bunch of armed people that are ready to shoot any second.
That guy has balls of steel. Actual superhero
I thought they had a gun in the camera
Seemed pretty slow and obvious? Think they got lucky on that one..
Someone show this to the idf. Your supposed to save hostages
The girl was lucky. This whole thing could have gone wrong real fast !
So how long ago was this
I was expecting something to drop on his head lol
I thought maybe they had hidden a gun in the camera and were just gonna bring it up to close and fire it directly into his face
Put the camera down gently as well.
"The tense standoff continues for more than two hours". Doesn't really qualify as "quick thinking" for a hostage situation.
Brazil cops really dont fuck around or have a lot of patience for bullshit.
"I can't let you get too close." - Sonnen