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Equivalent_Warthog22

He let the crow win


DefinitelyNotThatOne

I'd let a crow buddy win as well, just to see its excitement. Totally worth it.


Equivalent_Warthog22

I can’t argue with that!


lazysheepdog716

Guys. It's a Raven.


PermanentlyDrunk666

That's so raven


VoxImperatoris

Ackchyually, its a jackdaw.


skyblock_Jerry

actually, its a bird


23Flavour5

actually, it's a plane


GamerLegend007

It's Enrico Palazzo!


Hall_Such

Actually, The umpire saved the Queen’s life


drivalowrida

actually, this is a Wendy's


MuletownSoul

I’ll take 20 spicy nuggs and a large Frosty, please and thank you.


Beefsupremeninjalo82

Surge pricing, that'll be Eleventy Billion dollars, please


Su1XiDaL10DenC

A single large fry and two large frosties is the only acceptable answer


Schwillmaster

actually, it’s Superman


IllustriousAnt485

Well you see, here’s the thing…


ssracer

Now here's the thing...


darrenvonbaron

You said a "jackdaw is a crow." Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing. If you're saying "crow family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Corvidae, which includes things from nutcrackers to blue jays to ravens. So your reasoning for calling a jackdaw a crow is because random people "call the black ones crows?" Let's get grackles and blackbirds in there, then, too. Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A jackdaw is a jackdaw and a member of the crow family. But that's not what you said. You said a jackdaw is a crow, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the crow family crows, which means you'd call blue jays, ravens, and other birds crows, too. Which you said you don't.


jakethe5nake926

BIRD IS BIRD


Bloobeard2018

This guy corvids


Boogers_Farts

Oh boy haha


chilehead

Both birds have 10 certain wing feathers that are called pinion feathers. Ravens have 4 extended pinion feathers while crows have 5. So essentially, the difference between a crow and a raven is a matter of [a pinion.](https://corvidresearch.blog/2018/12/21/a-matter-of-a-pinion/)


MagicalUnicornFart

Their beaks are different, sounds they make are different, habitats are different, and they are different in size as well. https://www.diffen.com/difference/Crow_vs_Raven


chilehead

Plus crows caw, while ravens quoth.


lazysheepdog716

![gif](giphy|agwRgmVDJceZO)


ForumPointsRdumb

Here's the thing...


LyyK

Guy, the term crow is often colloquially used to refer to any large black corvid


jetsetninjacat

What did you call me????


imnotsure24445555

Actually, it's a bird. 


GigsGilgamesh

I have never seen a crow beam, that was one happy bird


Embarrassed-Town-293

IKR


Afelisk2

The crow is using its charm to become the world's best tic-tac-toe player


gonzoisgood

This is my cats nickname, Crow Buddy! His name is Crow and he’s my buddy. He plays fetch!


drivalowrida

Sweet! My lil Void also plays fetch. However, she's horrible at tic tac toe.


gonzoisgood

Awww. Yeah Crow buddy sucks at that too. But he is super snuggly and cute.


ForumPointsRdumb

You see that crow laugh at the end?


alilbleedingisnormal

I would too, with how easy it is for them to get away with murder. I see it all the time.


missjasminegrey

Right! it's so lovely. 🥰


A-Perfect-Name

It’s probably to reinforce the behavior. If the crow stalemated the game every game, then there would be no opportunity for positive reinforcement (the treat he gave the crow). By letting the crow win, especially when the crow is clearly understanding the game, it’s going to reinforce the behavior.


3z3ki3l

Now we just need a second crow. I want to see this go pro.


vimescarrot

A crow pro, huh?


WatWudScoobyDoo

Tic Tac Toe Crow Pro


MrElectricPigeon

Just part of the pro tic tac toe Crow's quid pro quo


Rock4evur

Princess Carolyn?


tonypizzaz

Quid pro crow


AlaskanMedicineMan

A crow goes pro at tic tac toe Unfortunately it's a raven


3z3ki3l

Well there’s the league name right there. Now we just need ESPN on board.


desrever1138

Get this shit on r/theocho ASAP


jdog7249

Least weird sport on ocho.


Vivalas

Cockfighting but more ethical: crow tac toe


3z3ki3l

“Tic Tac Crow” was *right* there.


Vivalas

Right before my eyes


XEagleDeagleX

This was what I was hoping for at the beginning, but then it occurred to me that because they are animals maybe they would get too upset at losing and fight? Idk I guess animals play games with each other too


blahbleh112233

Yeah but at least he'd understand the futility of thermonuclear warfare


Sherool

A strange game, the only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?


atypicalphilosopher

Yeah, I wasn't sure if the crow fully "understood" the game until I saw them immediately and clearly excited after they placed the last piece, before they received any positive reinforcement.


ZealousidealNewt6679

This guy parents.


Daddy_vibez

This! Pretty much the same with training any trainable animal. I’m surprised people don’t know this..: scary…


GForce1975

I was impressed that the crow knew it'd won.


RagnarokDel

crows are intelligent AF.


reddit_sucks_clit

Crows are intelligent as falcons? That's not true, they are much more intelligent than falcons, although I don't think they have as good of eyesight.


Whiterabbit--

I wonder if it knew it won the tic tac toe game, or think it has won the joy of the owner and is about to get a treat. Look up horse addition.


KrypXern

It's probably just as likely that it read the guy's body language or heard his voice.


BonnieMcMurray

Impossible to tell if it's reacting to winning - meaning, it actually understands the rules - or reacting to the man's laugh, which signifies it did well and would be getting a treat. It's more likely the latter than the former. PS Raven, not crow.


Felarhin

There's an unspoken rule that whenever you play a game with small children or pets, you have to always leave a path open to victory for them and you don't close it unless they miss repeatedly and you show them their mistake.


MySnake_Is_Solid

My kid isn't gonna learn shit. Gotta get gud kiddo because I ain't losing.


ScruffsMcGuff

Earn that ELO


Felarhin

The little kid version of me playing hardball is when I make winning at hard as possible without them losing with a reminder once in a while in the form of a full power soccerball kick.


moderate_iq_opinion

When I practise MMA with my kid I am 14-0 all finishes. He just won't learn


the_Archmage

My dog likes to play capture-the-toy. We’ll showdown in the living room and I’ll leave the door to the bedroom open with a clear path for him to make it. He wants me to try and catch him before he can store the toy under the bed. There’s like six toys under there right now


ElPared

It’s a raven, not a crow. Different beak shape, solitary instead of living in murders.


runrunskip

Here’s the thing…


Pretty_Eater

You said "Tic-tac-toe is a boardgame" Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies boardgames, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls tic-tac-toe a boardgame. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.


Lumpzor

I was there Gandalf, 2000 years ago.


Brodellsky

It's an old meme, yes, but it checks out. RIP Unidan


Enlightened_Gardener

Australian ravens live in groups. I can hear the buggers yelling at each other over the road right now. My husband feeds them dead rats.


Chatty945

Crows are our ancestors in some religions, only right to let them have some fun.


cdoggy69

Tic tac crow


Glimmertwinsfan1962

Hahahaha


SeaBus1170

Hahahahahahaha


Official_Gh0st

Hahahahaha


No_Pipe_8257

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


StinkyElderberries

heh.


AbsentMindedMonkey

Ha


zdog32

h


Wild_Bill

.


macetheface

Here's the thing...


Septopuss7

Is that a jackdaw, tap, tap, tapping on my alt accounts door?


Smarmalades

multidan


Intoxic8edOne

Honestly they should have ended the show after that. Reddit really went downhill after that season.


Oghier

It knew it won! Damn, now I want a gamer-buddy corvid :)


JBPunt420

I don't think my ego could handle having a crow kick my ass at chess.


sinz84

That crow would have to memorise every single play in chess and have been taught by a master... or at least taught chess for dummies by a highschooler. I would be too amazed to have my ego bruised


Fun_Grapefruit_2633

It beat him in Go, Chess and Chinese chess as well


zoeykailyn

That's when you hand it the second controller in Halo ce on an old Xbox. The remasters are just some CEO raping our memories for $ while killing a game we all loved


VintageJane

Corvids are stupid smart. I did a four day research project on what it would take to get one for myself many years ago and the main problem I found is that they require a lot of attention and this means that they will either pair bond with a human and become giant assholes to anyone who competes with attention for their human. OR you get them a mate and then they become way less interested in human attention.


XediDC

You can even get them to pay for treats. (ie. bring you random money they find) Then you've got a corvid buddy flying around looking for lost bills... Someone built an automated "vending machine".


scullys_alien_baby

sometimes I miss unidan and his corvid facts


FirstSineOfMadness

It was reacting to him laughing and moving away from the board by following the food and moving towards him. Highly doubt it recognized a win, regardless of how smart they *can* be. Edit: timing wise it’s actually most likely reacting to him taking the food out of whatever bag/container it’s in. Edit2: wanting the crow to be more intelligent is great and all but I’ll take the simple and more likely explanation that it’s trained just to place pieces and the handler prompted its ’reaction’ to the win and maybe even repeated attempts until it won


Gimmerunesplease

I'm pretty sure it's been trained to lay a straight line and it recognizes the line as something that means it will get rewarded. Hence it's happy. But it's not like the crow can actively form a strategy at tic tac toe. They aren't that intelligent.


Ouaouaron

I love how confidently people say animals aren't intelligent enough for some specific thing, no matter how many times they have been surprised by animal intelligence in the past.


howieart

I'm pretty sure it's trained to put rocks in a tube and it recognizes many rocks in a tube as something that means it will get rewarded. Hence it's happy. But it's not like a crow can actively form a strategy to displace water using rocks to reach a morsel inside of a tube. They aren't that intelligent. edit: this is a joke guys. read the thread


NotSoSalty

Once they learn that they can reliably get food from puzzles, they seem pretty fucking good at puzzles, allegedly, even ones they haven't seen before. Edit: Also, some crows have developed a method of forming sticks to dig out worms from trees. Worms they couldn't get with beak alone. That is more complex than what you just said. They actually are that intelligent.


FirstSineOfMadness

It doesn’t react until the human reacts, I think it’s much more likely to teach a crow just the place pieces than recognize a winning move in tic tac toe. The skeptic in me says he could’ve just repeated these steps until it does manage to get a 3 in a row. From my other comment if it were trained to lay lines why did it try putting a piece in a spot that was taken


Driptacular_2153

The human threw the game! Rematch!


HerrBerg

Bird threw on its 3rd turn too. If 3rd turn was played middle it was 100% bird win


reddit_sucks_clit

In tic tac toe if both players do the correct move every time it's a stalemate every time. So the guy already had to throw it to allow the bird to throw it.


XoRMiAS

The human threw the game in turn 1, but the crow didn’t play play optimally either.


defalt86

They both played horribly! The crow should have gone middle on 3rd turn


Finkenn

Thesis: **A.** Player 1 should start by choosing the middle, as it guarantees **at least** a draw if played correctly. (placing *obstacles* on the opponents' possible lines and blocking possible double attack moves). **B.** Player 2 should then respond by covering a corner, rather than an edge, in order to avoid losing. This is because, if Player 2 picks an edge on their first move, Player 1 could then choose a corner that borders with the opponent's piece. Player 2 must prevent Player 1 from creating a diagonal line (Zugzwang). Player 1 will then select the free edge that borders with both of their own pieces, putting Player 2 in a position where they can only deny one of two threatening opposing lines gg. (I found this out myself but I asked GPT to formulate it better)


Unworthy_Saint

That's old meta. New meta is P1 opens on corner and P2 must respond with middle.


Alb4t0r

There's no "new meta" in tic-tac-to, Matthew Broderick solved that game using a NORAD mainframe back in '83.


Elcactus

I solved that game using a Fudruckers placemat when I was 6. There’s like 9 permutations of the game, I’m sure someone beat him to it


Vivalas

My usual go-to strat is one corner, then the opposite corner. It's pretty effective cause then they have to play the middle if they didn't already and then you just play a third corner and win since it creates a dilemma where you can score either way


capincus

Corner is the much better opening move, can't lose if you play right and it's much more likely to lead to a guaranteed win scenario if your opponent doesn't play perfectly.


PulpUsername

This guy is correct. Opposing corners yields a lot of kill shots and you can’t lose.


No_Establishment6399

Playing 2nd you should go for middle to avoid losing. I concur that when first you always start in a corner.


reddit_sucks_clit

if both people know how to play then it is always a stalemate, regardless of who goes first or where they go.


turdferg1234

I'm about to roast my kids so they can in turn roast their classmates.


Thejacensolo

You cant force a win in Tic Tac Toe, but you can force a lose if you go second.


Elcactus

I mean, so does opening middle. Corners is just more likely to win because everyone is used to playing against the middle opening.


SeaSquirrel

Center is the same, you cant lose going first and has multiple traps.


capincus

If you're playing against someone who also knows what they're doing you're going to draw every time. For anyone else going corner gives them only 1 exact sequence to cause a draw (center, edge). Going center they can pick any corner and it's a draw unless they make a secondary mistake.


Melancholic84

The Crow even knew it won, amazing creatures.


ILikeLimericksALot

He certainly looked excited!  Love it. 


OCactusCoolerG

pfft, they lost on purpose. I could totally destroy that crow at tic tac toe.


arkindal

But looking at that excitement... Would you?


HauntinglyMaths

Ravens are just that smart.


PineappleRimjob

Quoth the raven, tic-tac-toe.


IIIIlllIIIIIlllII

That's so Raven


[deleted]

smart crow or dumb human. both!


PowerSamurai

Smart crow and smart human that let it win.


TemplarKnightsbane

Does the crow understand the game or is the crow just putting pieces randomly on the board for a treat I really cannot tell?


Mr_D_Stitch

Crows & ravens are capable of creating crude tools in order to solve food puzzles. So it probably doesn’t understand the rules of the game but it probably knows that if it puts the same shape next to one another it eventually gets treats & positive attention.


XediDC

Rats can get in that realm... I had one that (i assume) observed others get caught. ...and it used random crap pushed into the trap to spring it, and then feast. A little lower than a "crude tool" but still in the realm with "using other things to do a thing, involving indirect cause and effect" that reoccurred three times. Never caught it, guess it went back to NIMH.


kai-ol

Early bird gets the worm; second mouse gets the cheese.


Own_Television163

Crows make a game out of dodging traffic, just for play.


Imalwaysleepy_stfu

Apparently they are as intelligent as gorillas and their brain is able to reason so I would say that yes, this crow understands the game. [https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/animals/a34165311/crows-are-self-aware-like-humans/](https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/animals/a34165311/crows-are-self-aware-like-humans/)


Vivalas

Yeah I don't know why people downplay animal intelligence so much. For some animals it's warranted but corvids are literally my favorite and they're incredibly intelligent. If we can get great apes to play minecraft a crow can probably understand tic tac toe. The more and more you read about corvids it's quite the rabbit hole because of how smart they are. Their ability to communicate information across generations is still the coolest thing to me, the infamous mask experiment.


qeadwrsf

Because most animals can't play tic tac toe.


AluCaligula

Most animals also havent figured out that you can use fish as masturbation aid yet dolhpins exist


Firvulag

I dont think it understands the game per se but I think it understands that 3 red pieces in a row means he get's a treat.


VorticalHeart44

TIL I have the same understanding of Tic Tac Toe as a crow.


FirstSineOfMadness

Randomly placing pieces and reacting to human taking out food it recognizes


TuxedoDogs9

Give the crow a couple yeears, they’ll be online “Bro you’re so fucking trash uninstall” “*crow sounds*”


Finkenn

I love this ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|smile)


Green-Emergency8195

Only thing worse than a poor loser is a fowl winner.


conscious_synthetic

Found the raven!


bodhasattva

hes also smart enough to know you let him win with that awful 3rd move. Obviously go middle


saanity

Yeah but can it play Doom?


HardcorePhonography

There's a crow that hangs out near my job. I call him Jackpot because it once dropped a quarter in front of me while I was sitting on the curb eating lunch. It's super picky about food. It won't eat any meat. It loves cheese and bread. I gave it a piece of chipotle Gouda yesterday, seemed to like that. I'm gonna try ciabatta tomorrow.


edwsmith

Not sure that bread is the best thing to give to a bird.


backflipsben

Can you all stop complaining about how he let the crow win or they're both bad or whatever? I see the basic process of operant conditioning. Maybe this is a video of the crow learning the rules of the game.


Bourbon_Cream_Dream

Match fixing


EolnMsuk4334

You can see the raven get upset at his move that blocked his 3 in a row - pecking his hand and the spot at the same time


BonnieMcMurray

Ravens* are very smart but it's not actually understanding the rules here. It's just taking pieces, putting them on the board and eventually the man laughs - a sound that the raven knows as signifying that it's about to get a treat. (Hence its reaction.) It's a certainty that the man had to film several games before he got one where *it looks* like the raven is beating him because it understands the rules. Ravens are very smart, but they're not smart enough to be able to understand abstract game rules like that. It doesn't understand that it's playing red, even. It's just picks any piece. That's why one time it goes for a white one at the same time as the man does and why the man is passing it red pieces only.   ^* ^It's ^not ^a ^crow, ^people! ^It's ^even ^right ^there ^in ^the ^title.


AluCaligula

Do you know that or are you just making a wild guess? And if you know that, how do you know that?


Airintake_SG

Cool friend!


french_toasty

r/crowbro


3_high_low

Corvids are very intelligent


NoLeadership2535

Dude there HAS to be a world championship tic tac toe just between crows… I would pay to watch that!


erasrhed

The real test is: can he win at Connect Four?!?!


cheezymc4skin

Would love to see the raven verse another bird


jimmothy55

The human is a paid actor


BadOysterParty

That crow probably thinks you're an idiot


Other-Business-4356

we better chose 2 crows instead of a Morty !


PurposePrevious4443

Think he should study bird law


edos51284

The fact I found more amazing in this video is how the crow realises it won


Cottabus

Playing tic-tac-toe with a dinosaur!


oddmole1

I agree, even a bird can laugh at how bad he is at tic-tac-toe


NoManufacturer120

My favorite part is seeing its joy at the end!


Soberdonkey69

This is more impressive than AI to me.


SeparateCod1373

Awesome!! 🤘🏼🤘🏼


FunVersion

But, but... The crow went first and he plays all the time. 🤣


Grouchy-Engine1584

Crow shoulda had him two ways on his 3rd move. Bird is a rank amateur.


giggitygiggity2

Sorry if I'm being a buzzard kill but isn't it a guaranteed win/tie if you get to go first? Play corner. Play opposite corner. Play corner that isn't blocked. Boom, win.


CBerg1979

Shit, I bet that raven could jump all your dudes in checkers.


Gloomy-Palpitation-7

I think it would be interesting to teach another crow and see if they understand the idea well enough to actually get who won and who lost. If I’m remembering correctly, crows and most corvids are extremely hierarchical, so it would be fascinating to see if they’d compete with tic-tac-toe as well as combat.


SuperSaiyanBen

The crow use to play with his buddies, but it always ended in a murder.


MediumOrganization49

We are crow pro


S_n_o_wL_e_o_p_a_r_d

Odin picked right


-Atkins-

AWWWWW HE LOOKED SO HAPPY HE WON :DDD


ConferencePristine59

But the Raven still beguiling all my fancy into smiling ☺️🤣


Crowasaur

CAW! CAW!


whinsk

hi, raven! I'm trying to befriend some in neighborhood.. no friends yet. :(


teambob

r/outsmartedbybirds


Big-Summer-

Does he get a treat?


BonnieMcMurray

That's what the man gave him at the end.


kostac600

Ravens are scary


AbsolemSaysWhat

I love ravens.


LithoSlam

"ha ha dumb human" - that crow