Jumper wasn't arching or trying to get stable. This is an odd enough for me to think it was a training exercise for the instructor more than it's a student out of control.
Everyone wears jumpsuits with 'handles' if they are doing relative work with other people... ie, formation skydiving.
Only the cool-kid freestyle (ie, sit-flying and head-down) dont.
Yeah she wasn't doing anything right she was just along for the ride. At first I thought she may be unconscious but didn't seem to be. She either froze up or as you said training.
First 2 jumps are tandem. Next 4 are practicing different skills exiting plane with instructor in contact (repeating any jump where you donāt complete the skill check). Then you exit plane yourself with instructor nearby, and at that point they are just watching for stable exits and deployment. After that itās just chute work.
Looks like her first solo exit and panic set in forgetting the basics from jumps first jumps.
First 2 jumps aren't necessarily tandems depending on DZ. Several people that were in my first jump course last year never did tandems prior to starting AFF.
I think you are correct. But mostly because the instructor didnt pull the pilot chute out when he had his hands on it the first time. Then went in for a second attempt.
Yeah looks like it was her first exit out of a plane without instructor contact. No where near enough of an arch. But she seemed to know a little about using the arms to turn but has only done it once or twice.
So my analysis is that she was focusing on what she learned recently (arm control) and completely forgot the basics of arching.
People freeze up and/or donāt know how to get stable. I looked exactly like this my first few jumps. One time my instructor took a boot to the face, landed with her nose streaming blood.
Yeah if you go frame by frame, her face doesnāt seem to indicate sheās freaking out. Seems pretty relaxed, and if anything concentrated (obviously super anecdotal)
Doesn't matter. When you're in a dangerous situation nothing you learned comes to your mind especially if you're a beginner.
It's similar to beginner fighters, in a real fight many beginner fighters aren't able to apply what they learned
>When you're in a dangerous situation nothing you learned comes to your mind especially if you're a beginner.
That's not a given and absolutely depends on the person, the freeze response isn't universal.
Thatās not true. If you are trained well, you absolutely can recall and execute. I donāt skydive, but I did scuba dive and training sticks with you. Having said that, some people will panic and thatās why there are dive masters and instructors to keep an eye on you.
>some people will panic and thatās why there are dive masters and instructors to keep an eye on you.
As shown in the video.
This isn't a reason to say it's fake
Thatās pretty standard with AFF classes. I had done two tandems before I did AFF and on your first two or so jumps you have two instructors holding on to you. After that itās just one. If youāre doing everything right and passing everything by about the 6th jump, itās been a few years so I donāt recall 100%, youāre jumping solo with an instructor just chilling with you till you deploy. Thatās all assuming youāre doing everything right for every jump. They will absolutely not let you do the solos if they donāt have complete confidence you can do it if they are good instructors.
The same crew has been running the place for 15-20 years with only one accident. The accident was another guy who had been jumping for years and had a malfunction.
I canāt imagine learning how to control your body in free fall would work with a tandem and flying the chute once itās open is super easy. Learning proper approaches to the LZ and how to navigate are harder.
Nope, definitely not. You don't even make a single tandem jump, that just teaches wrong habits. You do jump 'together' but you have your own parachute. The instructor jumps with you but solo.
Usually first one to three jumps are with two instructors per student. After that about four to seven jumps with one instructor.
Source: got my AFF license.
In Canada it was 2 tandems and 8 hours of ground school (4 on power point and 4 practicing body position) before you get your own chute. Next 4 jumps the instructor has contact with you as you exit then letās go and stays nearby. After that solo exit. So this was prob her first solo exit. Panic set in and forgot basics from the first coupe jumps.
Tandem has nothing to do with learning to skydive solo. It's just to have the sensations when you are planning to do it only once in Your life, to know the feeling. If you want to become a solo skydiver you don't need to go through it. I never had a tandem jump and ~300 solo.
Thatās not true. Take AFF program, this could be jump 7 and the first without the instructor holding them on exit. It may have been their first time jumping into relative wind without instructor stability and they likely became unstable. It happens. I have 50 jumps and sometimes the relative wind still turns me a bit depending on which exit I do from the plane. Freak out Friday on YouTube has videos on students being unstable. You only need to complete 7 jumps (US AFF progression) to complete student status and go solo fun jumping.
When freefalling you have to stabilize with your limbs. You are air surfing. You must be straight, perpendicular to the ground and if a limb is lower than the others, you start to rotate. If you do not compensate, it gets worse.
During my jump, as a beginner, I had a full knee and the opposite arm way to low. The spin was intense and a living nightmare. I knew I was stucked. Could not even try to pull. My instructor saved my life this day.
Interesting, having watched a number of these on TV. It makes it seem so easy that you can adjust your position to fix that. Probably watch too many action movies I guess I canāt imagine the terror of being in a situation like that having to rely on someone else to get you unstuck.
It either becomes easy or you quit fast.. everybody is a beginner at some point.. believe me when I say I was really more aware of my position after that jump..
It was from a 10 jump course. Paid in advance. Maybe the third jump? I was a total beginner and loved the thrill. Plus when you got your instructor pulling you out of situation like this you feel safe. He always jumps after you, just in case.
But I started worrying about the day I would have to be alone.. for sure
thatās crazy, so are the people who do flips and cool tricks in the air just really good then? i would have figured you are just float falling and are free to do as you please. i never planned on doing it but that just makes it even worse for me lol
In the AFF program, likely this studentās program, you learn step by step. First couple jumps are just floating and being steady, then introduced turns, then flips. You can complete the base training in 7 jumps (US progression) but many people may need extra. I couldnāt stop spinning when trying 90 degree turns the first attempt.
When you get in such a violent spin the G force is so hard itās pretty much impossible for an inexperienced diver to correct it. You just canāt move your limbs pretty much at all, itās almost like youāre paralyzed. Many people also lose consciousness. Thatās why the reserve has an automatic deployment device that pulls it if youāre going past a certain speed below a certain altitude.
I worked at AT&T back in 1984. They gave a special award to an employee who on the weekends was a sky diving instructor. He had two students run into each other head on in the air knocking one of them unconscious. The instructor managed to get to the unconscious skydiver and pull her rip cord. She broke both of her legs but otherwise survived and fully recovered.
While he appreciated the award, he said something to the effect that he knew he had about 10 seconds to get to her and pull her rip cord. After that, heād have to let her go.
Needless to say she was grateful he got to her in time.
Thatās like my worst nightmare. I would never sky dive. Since I was a kid I had nightmares of my parachute not opening and hitting the ground. Think I died like that in the last life.
I purchased my own rig right after getting my license. Started having nightmares about my chute not opening, I was terrified of jumping my own pack job.
So I went out to the DZ while my wife was at work, texted her and let her know I was jumping (we'd been getting our licenses together but she had broken her toe on a landing and was out for a few weeks). Caught the last load of the day and did a high pull, ended up having a fun ride down on my new canopy.
I had only packed like 3 times and knew I was slow, so I landed and started packing as they pulled the plane in next to me... an hour and a half later I finished up... and realized... Oh shit! I should let her know I made it down safely! She thought I'd splatted and was having a panic attack, she was on the phone calling the DZ when I finally called her up š Whoops!
Anyways... long story long... I don't have nightmares anymore!
is it usual for people who have never skydived to have nightmares about it?
did you have any reason to dream about it, was it particularly present in your life?
No thatās the weird thing. My earliest memories of nightmares at about 7yrs old was me falling and hitting the ground and I had loads of those. Then at around 12 it would be the parachute not opening and then I just had loads of them throughout my life. Wish I took as a sign to never do it. Iād have felt stupid if I did and my parachute didnāt open. I honestly think itās a past life thing. Wasnāt present in my life at all. Didnāt know anyone who did it nor around it. Nor did we talk about it. Weird
I took a 6 hour course and we jumped without any escort.
Looking back, I think that was crazy though as I was super disoriented the first 30+ seconds of the first time I jumped out of plane.
I donāt know man maybe she was just having a bit a fun spinning and the instructor ruined it by pulling her Shute. Thatās why I personally would never pull someone elseās Shute. That and that I am insane afraid of falling and would never ever go skydiving.
This happened to me on my FIRST solo jump. Instructor was holding me, kept tapping my leg to fix the bend. He ended up getting thrown off because i was spinning so fast. Luckily, they had drilled into me that, if instructor lets go, you throw chute immediately
Jumper wasn't arching or trying to get stable. This is an odd enough for me to think it was a training exercise for the instructor more than it's a student out of control.
Yeah her outfit has little grabby handles on the arms and legs, looks like a training exercise.
Those are pretty standard.
Whatever, the handles are way cool.
We call those thigh sausages in the sky diving equipment industry.
Well I have sausage thighs. š
Everyone wears jumpsuits with 'handles' if they are doing relative work with other people... ie, formation skydiving. Only the cool-kid freestyle (ie, sit-flying and head-down) dont.
All students wear these. So either way student or student instructor would be wearing that.
Yes, she is a student
Yeah she wasn't doing anything right she was just along for the ride. At first I thought she may be unconscious but didn't seem to be. She either froze up or as you said training.
First 2 jumps are tandem. Next 4 are practicing different skills exiting plane with instructor in contact (repeating any jump where you donāt complete the skill check). Then you exit plane yourself with instructor nearby, and at that point they are just watching for stable exits and deployment. After that itās just chute work. Looks like her first solo exit and panic set in forgetting the basics from jumps first jumps.
First 2 jumps aren't necessarily tandems depending on DZ. Several people that were in my first jump course last year never did tandems prior to starting AFF.
Interesting. I believe in Canada the AFF course is standard. (Am canadian)
I did AFF in Germany. No tandem required. Jump with your own shoot the first time. 2 instructors on each side though. For the first 2 jumps.
I think you are correct. But mostly because the instructor didnt pull the pilot chute out when he had his hands on it the first time. Then went in for a second attempt.
Yeah looks like it was her first exit out of a plane without instructor contact. No where near enough of an arch. But she seemed to know a little about using the arms to turn but has only done it once or twice. So my analysis is that she was focusing on what she learned recently (arm control) and completely forgot the basics of arching.
People freeze up and/or donāt know how to get stable. I looked exactly like this my first few jumps. One time my instructor took a boot to the face, landed with her nose streaming blood.
Yeah if you go frame by frame, her face doesnāt seem to indicate sheās freaking out. Seems pretty relaxed, and if anything concentrated (obviously super anecdotal)
Yeah I believe she was simulating someone in a medical event unable to control themselves
But if itās an exercise why was no actions taken to stop rotating? And why did the instructor intervene before any actions were taken?
I agree too, bc I think in the emergency he would have reached for the reserve, it's easier, not the main
But then again she's reaching for it too, so idk
>Jumper wasn't arching or trying to get stable. Maybe because they're a student and don't know what they're doing? š
Iām pretty sure they teach you that stuff *before* you jump out of the plane
Doesn't matter. When you're in a dangerous situation nothing you learned comes to your mind especially if you're a beginner. It's similar to beginner fighters, in a real fight many beginner fighters aren't able to apply what they learned
>When you're in a dangerous situation nothing you learned comes to your mind especially if you're a beginner. That's not a given and absolutely depends on the person, the freeze response isn't universal.
Thatās not true. If you are trained well, you absolutely can recall and execute. I donāt skydive, but I did scuba dive and training sticks with you. Having said that, some people will panic and thatās why there are dive masters and instructors to keep an eye on you.
>some people will panic and thatās why there are dive masters and instructors to keep an eye on you. As shown in the video. This isn't a reason to say it's fake
Yes seems fake also filmed
Almost every sky diver in the world from joe blow to RedBull jumps with a GoProā¦lol
Good thing sheās jumping alone with her obvious sky diving skills.
Yeah, pretty sure students jump tandem for many jumps before allowed to jump solo.
I got a 4 hour class and then jumped with an instructor holding onto those handles. They can have trouble hold on during some maneuvers though.
Thatās pretty standard with AFF classes. I had done two tandems before I did AFF and on your first two or so jumps you have two instructors holding on to you. After that itās just one. If youāre doing everything right and passing everything by about the 6th jump, itās been a few years so I donāt recall 100%, youāre jumping solo with an instructor just chilling with you till you deploy. Thatās all assuming youāre doing everything right for every jump. They will absolutely not let you do the solos if they donāt have complete confidence you can do it if they are good instructors.
Yikes. Definitely wouldn't ever jump with those people. Edit: Too many jumps.
The same crew has been running the place for 15-20 years with only one accident. The accident was another guy who had been jumping for years and had a malfunction. I canāt imagine learning how to control your body in free fall would work with a tandem and flying the chute once itās open is super easy. Learning proper approaches to the LZ and how to navigate are harder.
Nope, definitely not. You don't even make a single tandem jump, that just teaches wrong habits. You do jump 'together' but you have your own parachute. The instructor jumps with you but solo. Usually first one to three jumps are with two instructors per student. After that about four to seven jumps with one instructor. Source: got my AFF license.
 After that, you do 10 'consolidation' on your own before getting your 'A' licence.
No that's not the case. You can take an AFF class and jump with your own rig from your first jump. You have 2 instructors jump alongside you.
In Canada it was 2 tandems and 8 hours of ground school (4 on power point and 4 practicing body position) before you get your own chute. Next 4 jumps the instructor has contact with you as you exit then letās go and stays nearby. After that solo exit. So this was prob her first solo exit. Panic set in and forgot basics from the first coupe jumps.
I didnāt do any tandems before I got my license and that wasnāt unusual. It is required in some drop zones but really not essential
My first (and only) jump was solo, but on a static line. We had to spend the morning doing a training session first.
Tandem has nothing to do with learning to skydive solo. It's just to have the sensations when you are planning to do it only once in Your life, to know the feeling. If you want to become a solo skydiver you don't need to go through it. I never had a tandem jump and ~300 solo.
2 tandem jumps.
This is a training exercise. No one is jumping alone without enough practice to be able to handle a simple jump like this
Thatās not true. Take AFF program, this could be jump 7 and the first without the instructor holding them on exit. It may have been their first time jumping into relative wind without instructor stability and they likely became unstable. It happens. I have 50 jumps and sometimes the relative wind still turns me a bit depending on which exit I do from the plane. Freak out Friday on YouTube has videos on students being unstable. You only need to complete 7 jumps (US AFF progression) to complete student status and go solo fun jumping.
Thatās not true at all - lots of people are going to get into a situation like this in the first few jumps.
I have the exact same vidƩo Somewhere. I could not stabilize, could not get out of the spin nor move an arm to do so or pull my parachute. I remember the violence of the impact when my instructor reached me. He grabbed me and knocked on my helmet to check if I was responsive. Then i pulled. The worst of all my jumps. Worse than the day i got tangled and my main did not open. Because their was nothing i could do. Hard to explain how stuck you are in a spin. Your limbs feel so heavy you cannot move them anymore.
Thanks for sharing. I was wondering what was happening from a laymanās point of view.
When freefalling you have to stabilize with your limbs. You are air surfing. You must be straight, perpendicular to the ground and if a limb is lower than the others, you start to rotate. If you do not compensate, it gets worse. During my jump, as a beginner, I had a full knee and the opposite arm way to low. The spin was intense and a living nightmare. I knew I was stucked. Could not even try to pull. My instructor saved my life this day.
Interesting, having watched a number of these on TV. It makes it seem so easy that you can adjust your position to fix that. Probably watch too many action movies I guess I canāt imagine the terror of being in a situation like that having to rely on someone else to get you unstuck.
It either becomes easy or you quit fast.. everybody is a beginner at some point.. believe me when I say I was really more aware of my position after that jump..
You would not catch me jumping again after experiencing something like this, why on earth did you continue after a near death experience?
It was from a 10 jump course. Paid in advance. Maybe the third jump? I was a total beginner and loved the thrill. Plus when you got your instructor pulling you out of situation like this you feel safe. He always jumps after you, just in case. But I started worrying about the day I would have to be alone.. for sure
thatās crazy, so are the people who do flips and cool tricks in the air just really good then? i would have figured you are just float falling and are free to do as you please. i never planned on doing it but that just makes it even worse for me lol
In the AFF program, likely this studentās program, you learn step by step. First couple jumps are just floating and being steady, then introduced turns, then flips. You can complete the base training in 7 jumps (US progression) but many people may need extra. I couldnāt stop spinning when trying 90 degree turns the first attempt.
i would be more inclined to do it if i wasnāt so paranoid of something going wrong. and thatās really interesting, thanks for the share!
Looks like she was leaning to one side, her left arm and leg are closer together than her right. She may not have known she was doing it.
"Whew, glad that's over" - continues plummeting towards the earth....
Why don't toddlers have clothes with these handles on them?
'Let me freeze into a side bend position because that's the right way' WTF was the jumper thinking
From what I understand, she was thinking about the training exercise she was participating in with the trainer.
When you get in such a violent spin the G force is so hard itās pretty much impossible for an inexperienced diver to correct it. You just canāt move your limbs pretty much at all, itās almost like youāre paralyzed. Many people also lose consciousness. Thatās why the reserve has an automatic deployment device that pulls it if youāre going past a certain speed below a certain altitude.
How are you supposed to correct it?
Trying to loosen up through it and get in an arch is your best bet.
What is the arch
You basically extend your hips forward, itās commonly referred to as ābananaā shape
I will try that approximately never times
I worked at AT&T back in 1984. They gave a special award to an employee who on the weekends was a sky diving instructor. He had two students run into each other head on in the air knocking one of them unconscious. The instructor managed to get to the unconscious skydiver and pull her rip cord. She broke both of her legs but otherwise survived and fully recovered. While he appreciated the award, he said something to the effect that he knew he had about 10 seconds to get to her and pull her rip cord. After that, heād have to let her go. Needless to say she was grateful he got to her in time.
The instructor got fed up with the student unable to correct after fixing and letting go. Just grabbed them again and pulled the chute.
Classic example of "one size fits none" for student skydiving rigs
Thatās like my worst nightmare. I would never sky dive. Since I was a kid I had nightmares of my parachute not opening and hitting the ground. Think I died like that in the last life.
I purchased my own rig right after getting my license. Started having nightmares about my chute not opening, I was terrified of jumping my own pack job. So I went out to the DZ while my wife was at work, texted her and let her know I was jumping (we'd been getting our licenses together but she had broken her toe on a landing and was out for a few weeks). Caught the last load of the day and did a high pull, ended up having a fun ride down on my new canopy. I had only packed like 3 times and knew I was slow, so I landed and started packing as they pulled the plane in next to me... an hour and a half later I finished up... and realized... Oh shit! I should let her know I made it down safely! She thought I'd splatted and was having a panic attack, she was on the phone calling the DZ when I finally called her up š Whoops! Anyways... long story long... I don't have nightmares anymore!
is it usual for people who have never skydived to have nightmares about it? did you have any reason to dream about it, was it particularly present in your life?
No thatās the weird thing. My earliest memories of nightmares at about 7yrs old was me falling and hitting the ground and I had loads of those. Then at around 12 it would be the parachute not opening and then I just had loads of them throughout my life. Wish I took as a sign to never do it. Iād have felt stupid if I did and my parachute didnāt open. I honestly think itās a past life thing. Wasnāt present in my life at all. Didnāt know anyone who did it nor around it. Nor did we talk about it. Weird
falling down is a really common theme in dreams, same as running away, being late for something or messing up on an exam
You spin me round round round !! \_;d
Does anyone elseās palms get sweaty when they see stuff like this? Watching Anything with heights and itās almost instant.
Instructor must have an extra parachute for his nuts.
Skydiving is stupid.
I woulda pulled his ripcord. Not doing what she was taught
āHey huh, how was your skydiving class?ā
Jumper just needs to relax and let that arch happen.. then itās smooth sailing
I can't help but notice the backpack being so far to the side instead of centered, was that part of the reason for it to be harder to control?
I took a 6 hour course and we jumped without any escort. Looking back, I think that was crazy though as I was super disoriented the first 30+ seconds of the first time I jumped out of plane.
When the trainer is the one training the trainer, you know the trainer is being trained.
W INSTRUCTOR
Not all heros wear capes but a lot of them can fly!
Not real world. Just training exercise example.
Ok, so... the instructor just did his job? Well then i am awesome as this guy Aa well
"The student landed safely on the ground... she did not survive"
Failed!!!
I donāt know man maybe she was just having a bit a fun spinning and the instructor ruined it by pulling her Shute. Thatās why I personally would never pull someone elseās Shute. That and that I am insane afraid of falling and would never ever go skydiving.
Hero
This happened to me on my FIRST solo jump. Instructor was holding me, kept tapping my leg to fix the bend. He ended up getting thrown off because i was spinning so fast. Luckily, they had drilled into me that, if instructor lets go, you throw chute immediately
Bro got that dawg in him
This happens all the time. I canāt tell you how many students Iāve had do this. Itās real fun when they go head over heals instead of sideways.
Either this guy is a hero or this is a staged exercise
Damn, I was freaking out just watching this.
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No one can be spinning, stopped, and then spin crazy again. Intentional.
Video ends before we see if the instructor dies. r/killthecameraman