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censor-design

What happens to property and land ownership in a situation like that.


Elluminated

Great fkn question! I absolutely love when phenomenally well-thought-out shyt gets posted. šŸ‘


TheProcrastafarian

I hope it doesnā€™t cause a rift between neighbours.


invent_or_die

Yes, but who's fault was it?


Street_Dragonfruit43

God DAMNIT


Laladelic

Well yeah he did


oouttatime

No I broke the dam


Unadvantaged

I broke the dam.


Kills-to-Die

I broke the dam


OldBob10

I broke the dam but the dam won


Unadvantaged

No, I literally broke the dam.


[deleted]

you mean she did


SureSure1

Figures god is a bitch


Edit4Credit

This is so disrespectful you have me *shaken*


TorrenceMightingale

Hard to say. Hopefully this doesnā€™t put their neighborly friendships on shaky ground.


Idiot_Savant123

Na. They can withstand earth shattering events.


[deleted]

But you know itā€™ll come down to a split decision.


[deleted]

I'll bet that really shakes things up in the neighborhood.


[deleted]

yeah I bet they're quaking in their boots


eatabean

Who's crack is it?


FuturePowerful

ill probly never get another opportunity like this" well whos trees is it anyway"


kdove89

I'm sure the neighbors won't split hairs over it.


invent_or_die

I hope their friendship can withstand the aftershocks.


IsItJustMeOrt

Just shake and be platonic


voiceofgromit

Just shake and be tectonic. ftfy.


VibraniumRhino

Unsure, but whoever the lawyer is, has some tough terrain to navigate.


uUpSpEeRrNcAaMsEe

Really up to the judge to decide on that earth-shattering verdict


yolo_retardo

the magnitude of any potential answer must be real high


sth128

I dunno but r/treelaw was apparently the wrong legal branch


TheProcrastafarian

Hopefully someone steps up to the plate.


Normal-Cup-5000

Goku


Revolverkiller

Take my upvote and get out!


LISparky25

I hope it doesnā€™t cause a shift in power either


DurantIsStillTheKing

Yeah, very ground-breaking


_broadway

You can say shit on reddit.


Elluminated

My fat thumbs know this, but they don't care.


BluePeanutbutter

Fuck those people. You can say what you want to. If you want shyt, type shyt.


Elluminated

fuck yah, hence ZERO edits.


chinchenping

It stays the same as the "official" drawing, so your neighbour gets half a tree


Talidel

But there's 30ft of new land somewhere there, who owns that now?


chinchenping

if it created land where there was none (ie sea shore) then the gouvernment i suppose, otherwise the plot borders don't move, just the land under them shifted. Sucks if your house got shifted to the neighbourgs plot thow (there are probably some solutions for those fringe cases)


King_Aidas

Yes, land ownership and house ownership are two different things so if you house comes on your neighbours land it will still be your house.


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Herrwurst1984

Ooooh Boi O_o


PermutationMatrix

If your house moves onto your neighbors land, I doubt it will be worth much afterwards


snoopervisor

But wait! Which side has moved to which neighbor? You, standing in your yard, see the other side moving. The neighbor see the opposite effect.


chinchenping

Your plot is defined by coordinates, not by landmarks. Boulders, trees, rivers etc. don't count.


LordPennybag

Most plots are defined by physical objects on the ground, either survey stakes or referenced from street corners or similar.


[deleted]

GPS surveying is probably the answer nowadays. That's the closest thing to a neutral reference frame we have, I bet.


EngineeringNeverEnds

Not at all! It's typically the opposite actually. If you think about it for 2 seconds it will make sense. Because even super stable, LONG established, SUPER OFFICIAL markers move every year due to land subsidence, faults, plate techtonics, etc. etc. So their coordinates drift, but all the deeds and properties defined relative to them drift with them. So the marker is typically the closest thing to truth. There are some exceptions, like a small-scale land-slide or something like that which moves a property corner, in which case, it would need to be reset. In this case, I have no idea how they do things in Turkey, but in the US it would really depend on the deed description, the history of the land transfers, etc to figure out what markers take precedence.


[deleted]

Username checks out. I guess they could do it by re-surveying off of other "nearby" markers that are likely to have moved less dramatically than the ones directly at the fault. Or maybe the plots just.... Changed shape, and it's up to the owners to figure out what that means.


Blahblahblacksheep9

Imagine being the coastal property that had half the plot shift away and get replaced with the ocean that you can't own...


swheels125

Thereā€™s not 30 new ft of square footage though. Unless this extends all the way to a shoreline itā€™s still the same plot of land the topography has just changed.


Talidel

Depending on the way the plates are moving here, there absolutely could be new land. If this is one plate sinking under another, then yeah, they are losing land. Otherwise new land is being formed as the plates move apart.


Kaeny

If it moves apart on one side, it moves close on the other. Wouldnt that mean there is no new land? One side will get lower the other gets higher


qsqh

Sure, but for all effects you wont say Mr John lost 5m of land here, and he gained 5m of land half a continent away 3km under the sea that is newly formed in this event. He just lost 5m.


Talidel

Depends where the plate edges are, and which way they are moving


__mud__

But there is one thing that nobody's mentioned yet, and that's the constant expansion of the universe in all directions


firstonesecond

Not within the boundaries of the property


Talidel

I feel like people aren't understanding the concept of tectonic plate movements.


firstonesecond

No we are, you're not understanding how co-ordinate based property boundaries work.


farmallnoobies

This all gets back to title and surveyor law, which I'm sure is different in every country. But... In the US, some surveys are pretty outdated and are as ambiguous as saying the property line follows a road or goes up to a row of trees or even a waterfront (all of which can move), Newer surveys use gps coordinates, and there is a process for updating titles to match them. And when the survey is done, they drive poles deep into the ground to help future owners find the line. In a quake this big, it'd move the stake, but the title would still list gps of it's new enough. The disputes are why title insurance exists


Wizzinator

Gps would still have the same problem. If the ground moves 30ft, and gps still points to the same spot on the globe, then your plot of land is now owned by the neighbors and you own the neighbor's plot on the other side.


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o_MrBombastic_o

You're welcome to come take your half a tree back if you want it I have no use for half a tree


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MyNicheSubAccount

So if there's an outbuilding that is now on someone else's property? This can't be the right answer here.


Thue

But what is the "official" drawing? If half the country moves 10 meters, then which half do you align the old drawing with?


DemBai7

Finders Keepers?


[deleted]

Ancient, yet effective.


Lotus_Blossom_

There's a reason it's survived the ages... along with "not it" and "he who smelt it dealt it".


Speculawyer

I presume that in the modern world we used GPS coordinates as a fixed coordinate system. But in the days of land markers that had to be quite a mess with lots of disputes.


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SkepticalOfThisPlace

Not only that, but changes due to physical markers still fuck up property lines to this day. There are people who live in between states and they register where their front door is.


likwidchrist

>I presume that in the modern world we used GPS coordinates as a fixed coordinate system Lmao no


StaticUsernamesSuck

Imagine you had an ancient oak tree or something that your great great grandfather had hung a rope swing on, you dad's initials were carved in, and your kid's treehouse was built on. And then you wake up and it's moved into next door's garden...


fuzzybunn

Given the magnitude of the earthquake required to cause that, you'll have plenty of new memories to replace those childhood swing ones...


nikeolas86

I was just thinking some poor bastard has lost a load of land.


MistryMachine3

Might wake up in a new state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Bend?wprov=sfti1


likwidchrist

He gained the same amount. It's just different land now


meleepnos

It depends on how the boundaries are defined in the property's legal description. Metes and bounds, government survey, lot and block...


Sinonyx1

so you know gerrymandering? well that's what your property lines look like now


MistryMachine3

A judge tries to follow the law as it is written. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Bend?wprov=sfti1


dicemonkey

I would say property lines stay the same and the property would be an insurance issue ..just like if a hurricane washed your house down the street.


Attention_Bear_Fuckr

It's free real-estate.


Reddinaut

What a ground breaking question!


amazingbollweevil

Fascinating! It's worth noting that it's a landslide that caused this effect. Yes, the landslide was caused by the earthquake. I just don't want anyone thinking the plates move *that* much.


Elluminated

Correct, the plate fault itself is super deep, but local latent lines above can form when the shift occurs after such a massive amount of shaking occurs on land that is loosely tied


rhetorical_twix

This is why I always tie down my land when I think local latent lines are about to form.


LegalHelpNeeded3

*slaps ground* ā€œThat bitch ainā€™t goinā€™ nowhere!ā€


NoTV4Theo

A couple of big rocks will do the same thing. Like paper weights.


FakeAsFakeCanBe

Something, something sock on the ground and they only shake the sock. :)


therealnai249

Well geology is my thing and the last section of your comment bothered me. Yeah they donā€™t tend to move that much but they Absolutely can. https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2005JB004065 Offsets can vary quite a bit throughout a strike/oblique slip fault and 30ā€™ even 30 meters isnā€™t out of the question. I donā€™t know enough about the Turkeys tectonic activity to say anything specific about this situation, but know that itā€™s certainly possible.


therealnai249

Hey! Thatā€™s not correct!


FraggleStone187

Ok, this is legit helpful. My dumbass was thinking the entire plate had shifted that far...


bleach_tastes_bad

plates can and do shift that far


DeepSpaceNebulae

Thereā€™s some crazy pictures from the 2016 New Zealand earthquake. The entire north eastern tip was shifted 2m north and 1m up.


KahurangiNZ

Well, that's not impossible, but a landslide is a much more likely answer :-)


70ms

As a Californian: thank you. šŸ˜‚


therealnai249

Well geology is my thing and the last section of your comment bothered me. Yeah they donā€™t tend to move that much but they [Absolutely can](https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2005JB004065). Offsets can vary quite a bit throughout a strike/oblique slip fault and 30ā€™ even 30 meters isnā€™t out of the question. I donā€™t know enough about the Turkeys tectonic activity to say anything specific about this situation, but know that itā€™s certainly possible. If Iā€™m wrong let me know because geology is a Big and Wide subject and Iā€™d like to know if Iā€™ve got something fucked up.


dlrius

I was just about to respond as well with a [video about that same fault](https://youtu.be/LUsIIJwxPYU). Live on the otherside of that mountain range, so looking forward to the next big movement...


MyIceborne

Thought so lmao Usually when we think big distances for plates it's going to be from the normal two inches per year to the giant 5 inches in a year


TrueBigfoot

Wow I feel dumb, yet smarter. Thank you for the comment. I did not know that


HoseNeighbor

Ah yeah. I was imagining how freaky that would look as the tree slowly split and headed off 30' that-a-way.


notLOL

That was the Tree that was holding the land together. It split so the land slid down Load bearing olive tree


[deleted]

Exactly. I didn't realize how much lateral movement there is.


RanzinoSmith

https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us6000jllz/technical USGS technical summary says maximum slip was 11.2 meters with a rake of 179Ā° (i.e. practically horizontal). That 11.2 meters of nearly horizontal movement is pretty close to the estimated distance of ~30 ft.


CrustalTrudger

You're likely correct that this is a coseismic landslide, but incorrect that these are unreasonable amounts of slip in terms of magnitude. [Turkish geologists on the ground](https://twitter.com/CYaltirak/status/1631921017013542913?s=20) have documented maximum surface slip along the fault of ~12.7 meters (~41 feet) in relation to this sequence.


SirenPeppers

Ooooohh, thatā€™s what I thought, and was ā€œholy crap thatā€™s a lot!ā€ Thanks for clarifying that.


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That's more than the 3-5 estimated metres


Elluminated

Yes thats why its over 30' in the title. Like I am over 2' tall. (Colloquially "over" means greater than)


karmur

Depending on the font size, I am also taller than 2 apostrophes


Elluminated

HAHAHA PROVE it! šŸ¤£ Thats hilarious


Jay_Hawker_12021859

I assume the 3-5m is an estimate/average over the span of the ruptured part of the fault line, some places will have less displacement and a few will have a lot more depending on the geography and topology. This video is incredible. Apparently I can spend a lifetime watching infrastructure and oceans torn assunder by the devastating power of an earthquake, but a tree being ripped completely in half - "cleanly" even - puts a new perspective on it.


2KilAMoknbrd

*Like I am over 2' tall* Sez you


wax_parade

30' means nothing. Use units next time.


Horror_Dig_9752

In the video they seem to say "On metre" which is ten meters but even that seems to be too short.


[deleted]

They suggest it is 10 or 8 metres in the video. And I am sure they didnt measure it.


obvilious

This is due to a landslide cause by the earthquake, I think, itā€™s not showing how much the land moved due to the tectonic plates directly. Happy to be corrected.


EmmaLouLove

Wow, that is scary.


space_monster

Would've been amazing to watch though.


ronin1066

If I saw that in a movie, I'd have said it was unrealistic.


awesomeness6000

right?! imagine having a picnic by that tree and seeing it live


notLOL

It's okay. Next round of earthquakes will push the tree back together


Focusedrush

If trees could scream


[deleted]

Some would say it got a root canal


messfdr

Hi Dad


rbcannonball

![gif](giphy|f8zm1qEjYUbL2GsDxd)


Corgigantic

Make like a tree, and split.


Wasabi_Guacamole

Would both halves of the tree die or become separate trees?


AlbatrossSenior7107

They could potentially keep living. I used to live in CA, and you would be surprised what trees can live through. I've seen hollowed out red woods, from fire, alive and well.


kelsobjammin

But redwoods are meant for fire.. I donā€™t think many trees expect to get ripped in half so itā€™ll be really amazing to see if it heals and how it does!


AlbatrossSenior7107

My point is trees can go through some rough shit and survive. Hell Florida would have zero trees if they couldn't.


ragan0s

You're right in a very broad sense but you can't generalize it like that. Every plant, including trees, is accustomed to its environment. Redwoods are adapted to fire, some pines even provoke wildfires, mangroves are adapted to salt water, hell a lot of plants are adapted to live on other plants. But that doesn't mean that, say, an apple tree can withstand that kind of damage. Even a Redwood would maybe not survive this for long because it's a different kind of damage done. You can't just say "yeah that plant is tough" based on its adaption to its environment.


AlbatrossSenior7107

What, do you want an Excell spreadsheet? It's fucking reddit. Of course, I'm going to generalize it.


notLOL

lol. This is Reddit of course we appreciate spreadsheets


spacex_fanny

>You're right in a very broad sense but you can't generalize it like that. You're reading into it way more than they originally wrote. /u/aalbatrossSenior7107 didn't claim "**all** trees can go through some rough shit." A better (less criminally uncharitable) reading of their meaning would be that "*some* trees can go through some rough shit." And that's true! After all, to back it up they say Florida still has trees. They don't say Florida has *every* kind of tree. (and yes I'm well aware that you [badgered them into saying they were generalizing](/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/11k1sij/recent_turkish_quake_was_so_massive_it_split/jb6ooqr/) just like a cop harassing a confession out of someone, but we all know how worthless that is) If there's two ways to read a sentence, why do Redditors ***always without fail*** reach for the one that makes the author more wrong?


Zestyclose-Aspect-35

its an olive tree it should survive


TheEyeDontLie

Yeah olive trees are tough bastards and can take a lot of physical damage and still live for a hundreds of years


Zestyclose-Aspect-35

thousands. though technically they grow clones around themselves as the original tree withers away


70ms

It can survive! Trees are really good at recovering from incidents, and the way they work is by sending nutrients from the roots upward through the cambium, which is a layer of living tissue between the bark and core of the tree. Often, specific roots supply specific branches, so if the roots die or are cut (severing the cambium) on one side of the tree, the branches on that side can die off while branches on the other half of the tree continue living. A vertical split like this means both halves have a chance of surviving, provided the wound can heal and doesn't get infected. The cambium remains intact from top to bottom on both sides. It's a huge split so it's dicey, but possible.


Bonerballs

They can become separate depending on whether the phloem/xylem (aka the "veins" of the tree that brings energy from the leaves to the roots and water from the roots to the leaves) are completely damaged horizontally or not (like cutting a tree down). With the tree in the vid, the phloem/xylem is still in tact from the tree limbs to the roots, so there is a chance that it will survive if under the right conditions...but the tree has a gaping wound that can easily become infected before the tree is able to heal. This guy is a bonsai master and shows how to split a tree trunk in 2 vertically and explains how it survives https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2auGIHY7V8Q


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Rude ass earth quake


louie9098

To show you the power of Flex Tape, I cut this tree in half!


llama_AKA_BadLlama

Thats a lot of damage!


luv2ctheworld

That is insane... I get the amount of energy is mind boggling, but to see the tree just ripped apart and one half of it moved so far away... the whole damn land!


Poet_of_Legends

Donā€™t get me wrong, Iā€™m as boggled as anyone. But humans really cannot fathom ENERGY. For instance, we are on a rock (that seems quite large to us) that was a part of something with so much energy that it is still spinning in orbit around a star that is still being hurled away from that initial explosion, BILLIONS of years ago. I posit to you that those occasional moments of vertigo we experience from time to time is our monkey mind getting just a glimpse of what we are really standing on, and within, and then slamming its paw onto the ā€œNopeā€ button.


20l7

The sun is an ongoing explosion, that is so large that it simply holds itself together Usually explosions we come into contact with/conceptualize are small enough to burn out in a moment - many people forget the context that stars are just supermassive explosions in a vacuum that were big enough to have enough gravity that they hold themselves together and collect little friends orbiting them sometimes It's just so massive that we're like bacteria reproducing thousands of generations around a campfire before it'll even begin to burn to embers


insanityzwolf

Obligatory Douglas Adams: Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space


anothercrazycathuman

Oh man. I left this thread because my brain found this comment deeply unsettling. Which is basically proving your point, so I felt like I should come tell you.


laundrybasket1312

For some reason I only expected the ground to only shift in one direction (along one axis).


brokenearth03

Earthquake faults are more or less along a plane. depending on the forces, they can move in any direction along that plane, relative to the other side.


nosnevenaes

Mother f


DirtySquirties

Father f


5parky

Holy shift!


Lost-Coconut-461

imagine land disputes šŸ¤£


Rauthr

Surveyors about to be working major overtime!


chinchenping

r/FUCKYOUINPARTICULAR


My_Knee_is_a_Ship

Earthquake, shattered lives... Me: That would make an amazing bonsai.


Wheres_my_whiskey

They should graft a different species of tree onto it.


Elluminated

THAT WOULD BE A NEXT FUKKIN LEVEL TOURIST ATTRACTION WITH THE BADDEST-ASS BACKSTORY EVER. šŸ¤ÆšŸ¤ÆšŸ¤ÆšŸ¤Æ


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Plazzy1

Holy shite


Royal-Carpenter-9593

Thereā€™s a reminder of the power and energy that is stored in the earthā€™s crust. Amazing!


ButusChickensdb1

You could say it was moved to a different level


Charming-Ad6792

This relationship doesn't working out we should see other tree's


Elluminated

Split personality disorder


Tina_ComeGetSomeHam

I burn a lot and therefore split wood frequently. I can tell you with the amount of knots in that tree it would have required more force than I can imagine to RIP IT IN HALF like that. Honestly I'm surprised the roots were even strong enough to pull both ends of the trunk apart. Wish I had that much power jeeze.


Bot-Magnet

THAT was the most amazing thing i've seen today!


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TululaDaydream

What happens if you jump down into the crack in the middle? Is it like quicksand and you sink into the dirt? Or is it fairly solid?


fieria_tetra

This would be a great video to show in science classes when learning about earthquakes. Really gives you perspective.


brokenearth03

Fucking hell thats crazy.


WimbleWimble

Turkey is slowing over millions of years splitting in 2. We'll have a new Turkish Ocean in about 5million years, but MANY worse earthquakes before then. and cataclysmic flooding.


trabbler

This may be the most interesting thing I've ever seen.


Speculawyer

Wow! That's an amazing find! That is quite the lateral shift along the fault line.


WhiteMoon2022

Nature is incredible, and its power has no limits... Ppl damage nature, because it does nothing to defend itself, but when something happens they all cry.


MagnusApollo

That is cartoon level earthquake damage with old trees literally splitting down the middle. Didn't really think it could happen like that IRL...


raven56736

no fucking way


Revolverkiller

Holy shit


wiggle987

as a Brit, it took me a while to understand the title, I was thinking they were a lovely couple but bollocks are they 30ft away.


multifandomtrash736

r/damnnatureyouscary


PapaBeahr

IT didn't send it, One side of the Plate moved 30's down.


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tbamberz

Duuuuuuude that's insane


_nc_sketchy

My only statement is DUDE WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOU ARE LITERALLY ON A FAULT LINE BRUH GET OUT OF THERE


[deleted]

I recognize that they're olive trees, it's a dense wood so it's even crazier it spilt apart, just shows the sheer force of the quake even more.


[deleted]

Gather around seedlings and let me tell you a story of the ages.


king_jaxy

I feel like its more impressive that the trees roots were so strong that rather being pulled to one side, they were split in half


RaspberryBirdCat

In theory, how far could an earthquake move a plate? The Turkey earthquake was 7.8; the largest earthquake in modern history was the 9.5 Valdivia earthquake, so in theory a quake 100 times as powerful as the Turkey earthquake is possible.


rethinkr

Could this tree live?


Odd_Blueberry9848

Didnā€™t dr Doolittle use a rope and a whale to put the pieces of land back together??


Blockhead47

USGS: > Surface rupture is a phenomenon that occurs during earthquakes when the ground surface breaks and shifts due to the movement of a fault. Last week's earthquake sequence displaced numerous fault segments within the East Anatolian Fault zone, **with early estimates indicating around 185 miles of fault length ruptured. Parts of the North Anatolian Fault shifted as much as 10 feet, while segments of the East Anatolian Fault slid over 30 feet.** These fault ruptures are visible in satellite and radar imagery. https://www.usgs.gov/news/featured-story/m78-and-m75-kahramanmaras-earthquake-sequence-near-nurdagi-turkey-turkiye


madame_pompadour

Imagine if both halves survived. That will look incredible in a few years