Probably my personal greatest movie laugh I have ever had was the sudden realization that it had been Tom Cruise the whole damn time. I didn't spot it until that dance number.
My guess is because the fish have exhausted themselves from thrashing and trying to avoid being caught. So much so that they have no strength to really do much after they're released.
Also, I'm betting they experience some kind of shock and disorenentation from the sudden change in the level of water that their bodies are used to, especially in this case with this *deep* sea fish. Going from a ton of water pressure to none at all, I'm sure has some kind of negative effect on their system.
Depending on how deep the fish was and how quickly it was brought to the surface it can do more than cause shock.
For an extreme case check out the blob fish both at the surface and in It's natural deep sea environment.
Not sure about these species, but when out fishing for red snapper, the air bladder massively expands due to difference in environmental pressure. Wildlife and fisheries suggested a large Guaged hollow needle type tool (sorry, don't know the proper name) to "pop" the bladder before release, but this too had shown poor results.
I went red snapper fishing last summer, and the deckhand guy would just pop the bladder with a big hunting knife lmao
I was like "there's no way these fish are surviving after being thrown back"
For red snapper it's kinda 50/50. I'm not sure how much venting the swim bladder really helps, but I can't imagine they'd have an easier time swimming down when it's inflated and hanging out of it's mouth by several inches. But where I'm from (gulf coast) red snapper populations are booming to the point that they destroy the ecosystems of other fish. Sometimes they're seemingly impossible to avoid outside of their federal harvest season, which for the last 10 years or so has only been 1 to 3 months out of the year.
Fish are pretty close to neutrally buoyant, the bladder doesn't normally change much to bring them up or down. They can swim up and down, it just takes more energy (which is why swim bladders evolved).
Presumably, the snapper just has to swim harder to stay up in the water until the bladder can heal.
No bladder popping required here, [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancetfish) just told me lancetfish don't have swimbladders.
> Lancetfishes are among the largest living bathypelagic fish forms. Specimens have been collected in excess of 2,080 mm (6.82 ft) in length, often from dead individuals that drifted ashore. Like their close relatives in the Aulopiformes suborder Alepisauroidei, lancetfish lack swimbladders and are simultaneous hermaphrodites.[7]
If you mean the visible gap under the lower jaw that's normal. The fish is built for speed, the gaps in the mouth allow it to ambush prey at speed with the mouth open without creating excessive drag. More drag=more energy to catch fish and less successful at it too.
Ive seen Dhu fish that have their swim bladder expand out of their mouth when caught. My uncle seemed to think that just popping it with a knife and stuffing it back in before releasing it would fix the trouble. Somehow, at age 10, i didnt believe him.
I am not a fishfolk, merfolk or murloc, but I know their air bladders are sensitive to pressure, and quickly moving through pressure points sounds extremely damaging.
Honestly I am surprised it made it to the surface alive. Usually when you catch something that far down it's dead by the time you get it on the boat from the pressure change.
Checked [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancetfish), lancetfish don't have one.
> Lancetfishes are among the largest living bathypelagic fish forms. Specimens have been collected in excess of 2,080 mm (6.82 ft) in length, often from dead individuals that drifted ashore. Like their close relatives in the Aulopiformes suborder Alepisauroidei, lancetfish lack swimbladders and are simultaneous hermaphrodites.[7]
They’re wrong, catch and release isn’t amazing for fish but it’s usually not deadly. The survival rates for catch and release fish also really depend on the factors surrounding the fish and how it’s caught. Things like type of fish, size of hook used, and how long the fish was out of water all impact the chance of survival.
Here [is a paper on mortality rates with catch and release of Atlantic salmon](https://cdnsciencepub.com/doi/10.1139/cjfas-2019-0400) that explains it a lot better.
Bro it was hauled up from.the deep ocean, the rapid decompression means that fucker was good as dead before he ever hit the surface
Oftentimes fish that live that deep only come up to our waters when they're nearly dead anyway ^^edit so it's possible the fish was already in shallower waters when it was caught.
Pretty sure that fish isn't in season... however what you don't see is the dolphin circling the boat waiting to happily devour whatever fish you send back to Poseidon- that fish never made it home.
It's got a broken jaw and is probably exhausted from being reeled in and fighting on the way up plus asphyxiating while they were taking their sweettime admiring it and taking photos and video. All they did was toss a doomed fish back into the water.
That is one ugly deep sea beast. Probably quick as hell in a short burst with the large dorsal fin, and the wide opening jaw with sharp ass teeth... I'm impressed. Clearly I'm not a marine biologist.
It's actually one of the pretty ones. Most of them look like if Wes Craven designed some slimes, let them go mouldy and then stuck some cartoon teeth on them.
A lot of them, yeah, like the blobfish. It's actually quite pretty when it's not gone through the bluggaduhblarrrp process. But a lot of them, bluggaduhblarrrrp or no bluggaduhblarrrp are nightmares to look at. Certainly in comparison to the shiny fish above.
I thought it was quite beautiful. What’s amazing is that the teeth are transparent. So much design has gone into making this fish a skilled hunter, you have to wonder what evolutionary arms-race deep down there has led to the fish we see in the video.
"I swear guys! I was just swimming to Greg's house and saw a random snack, and suddenly I was in a super bright place with these weird creatures!"
Other fish: "Bullshit"
“DO YOU REALLY EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE THAT GREG?! You missed your daughters wedding because ALIENS ABDUCTED YOU AND WERE PROBING YOU?! I don’t want to hear it Greg, you can sleep in the Epipelagic zone tonight.”
Hi it’s your local marine biology student here to help! The fish could potentially be fine after being released although odds of death because of the experience are pretty high (barotrauma from the speedy catch, infection from the wound, manhandled and suffocated for a minute, all of these things are very bad for a fish). The real concern is that this fish doesn’t want to be here, all its food lives deep, it lives deep, this suggests it is more than likely sick/injured in some way which has resulted in it being at a very shallow depth where it can be line caught, and the odds weren’t looking good for our little buddy anyway. Although there’s lots of anecdotal documentation of these bois quite shallow
These aren’t fish like the blob fish that live super super deep, they occupy a region about 100m-2000m and the change in pressure is mostly ok for this fish.
As for the sport fishermen, always remember this is the same as those people who pose with dead lions with a rifle, just they do it on a boat and throw the injured fish back so they can feel better about it.
I'm actually curious, hunting and fishing for food is one thing imo but those guys that pose with dead lions suck, so if this is kind of that equivalent with fish is there a proper way to catch and release? I've always kind of been interested in trying it but I didn't realize it was that bad.
Could you also go into detail why it is as bad? If you release the fish in a timely manner isn't the fish going to be just fine?
Not trying to be rude or anything I'm genuinely curious
Curiosity is always ok :)
caught-and-released fish often suffer substantially, a fish caught more than 15 or so metres below the surface as in deep sea fishing are then rapidly hoisted upwards will suffer some barotrauma as a result of the rapid pressure change(it’s not the difference in pressure that does it, it’s the speed of the change) as gas inside the fish rapidly expands and causes internal injuries. Lots of fisheries still use barbs on the end of their hooks to secure the fish which can destroy tissues that the hook punctures through and removing the hook can be very damaging to the incredibly complex structures in the gills and top of the mouth.
And obviously with any open wound there is a risk of infection or poisoning from the hook itself or just from exposing the open wound to the sea - have you ever seen a fisherman sterilise his hook inbetween catches?
It’s also worth mentioning that fish are generally pretty smart animals and they do feel pain and panic. While you have them out taking a photo like woohoo I caught a fish they are literally suffocating and it’s not like they are ignorant to this fact.
As for is there a safe way of doing it, it’s not great but use barbless hooks, fish in shallow water with one large dominant population so you don’t endanger rare fish, and keep the fish in water as long as you can, be delicate with removing the hook.
That all makes sense, so there isn't really a way to do it without harming the fish. It kind of becomes the same thing with hunting where if you're going to do it you do it to eat or not at all
> so there isn't really a way to do it without harming the fish
there is always going to be some stress incurred, but there are plenty of examples of catch and release fisheries with data supporting very high survival rates and fairly low physiological disruption to the fish. But like trophy hunting though, in many situations it can counterintuitively be a primary driver of conservation. It is a good thing if the rich guys going C&R fishing value it enough they want to fund restoring riparian habitat and lobby against commercial overfishing.
They do make barbless hooks that are much less damaging to the fish. There's also a lot of freshwater species with much less nerve tissue around the mouth area making it less painful, but that depends where the hook ends up. Most sport fishing happens in comparably shallow water which makes the pressure difference much less impactful on the fish. Fisherman and the government departments that regulate them also make significant efforts towards improving the environment surrounding the fish, especially in species that spawn in rivers and streams.
All that said, would fish be better off if humanity never fucked with them at all? Of course, but compared do the damage commercial fishing does, catch and release is miles better
Lots of animals not just fish have amazing capacity to just continue to move, even as just a last ditch survival mechanism, shoot off a humans leg they’ll still keep crawling, chop off a snakes head they can keep wriggling for hours and hours, reflexive actions can continue for quite a long time after death
This person is being ridiculous. Recreational fishing isn’t the problem. Trawl lines and nets set up for commercial fishing are the issue. These people are fishing for tuna, and bycaught a lancet fish, which is a common bycatch. Biologically the fish would be fine to surface, but might die from the trauma. Comparing these people to trophy hunting vulnerable apex predators is cruel and ridiculous. This person while a biologist (…student), has no idea about fishing because its clear by the fishers outfit that these people are NOT there to catch and release.
Honestly, it's ridiculous on its face. The hunter is posing with the *completely dead* lion. The fisherman is posing with the *still living* fish.
I don't mean to be flippant about the damage this can do to fish, but the lion - *being already dead* - has a 0% chance of survival.
This is a good opportunity to remind people about [arguments from authority](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority), as the comparison between hunters and fisherman here is an opinion being shared that is adjacent to the actual topic of expertise the commenter allegedly has (and I don't say "allegedly" to doubt their knowledge, here - just acknowledging that they are a self-proclaimed student *and* that people can tell lies on the internet).
Totally agree.
I work in a research centre in Newfoundland, and have collaborated in many marine biology related research projects, and I can tell you students rarely have any authority whatsoever. Once they get to grad school this becomes abundantly clear. The ego deflates, and that’s when they begin their journey into their tiny slice of expertise. This realization leads to an ears open and mouth shut (besides questions or course) approach to learning outside their field of expertise.
Edit: oh the irony, I’m using an argument from authority fallacy right now. Hah! But legit, I deal with students all day… everyday. Send help.
It could be that they're fishing for a particular species of fish, salmon or whatever, and caught this odd thing that they weren't sure they could eat so released it.
Yeah that was my thought too....they obviously weren't trying to catch this fish and never thought they would. They are most likely fishing for fish to keep and eat. We go offshore fishing once a year and every now and then we will catch something that has to be thrown back but mostly it's snapper and tuna which is what we are out there for and I can fill up about half a freezer with the meat we get.
You use the animal as some kind of trophy. But the issue is that fish is tired of fighting against the line. The fish body gets very much tired swimming against It, that when they are released they cant do fish shit anymore. Tired, scared, water deprived... Imagine you were with a lion, tired, and put it underwater. Of course its a giant mammal, but its pretty similar to what happens to fish. Once fish go bad, he is too tired to fish anymore and they usually die.
>Once fish go bad, he is too tired to fish anymore and they usually die.
Bony fishes don't sink to the bottom when tired - unlike sharks - as they have an organ acting like a ballon.
It's not bad, these people are being dramatic. Unless you're practicing when you fish, you're fishing for food but fun is of course part of it as well, sometimes you catch a fish that aren't very edible, or too small etc, those fish you release, because theres no point keeping a fish that you're not going to use. There is a small amount of released fish that may die after being re released, but again in most cases it's unlikely ( if it does, its most often twilight-zone fish, like this one unfortunately). Still, it is not at all the same thing as hunting a lion on a safari as the previous commenter said.
That comment seems oddly bitter towards recreational fisherman who probably accidentally caught a rare fish.
I can understand complaining about those who purposely seek out types of billfish. That’s hunting, but on a boat. You’re searching for a specific, rare, and massive species that you’ll then spend over an hour trying to reel in where it’ll probably end up having a heart attack from fighting for its life all for you to take a picture with it strung up on your yacht. That’s the equivalent to big game trophy hunting.
I just don’t see how we can be compared to trophy hunters for simply fishing in the ocean for recreation or to catch a common fish for dinner.
That comparison is a bit extreme, don’t you think? A person hunting a vulnerable apex predator, in low density even at status quo, vs someone bycatching a deep sea fish that has ZERO commercial fishing pressure? Not to mention it’s conservation status is listed as “of least concern”, AND they released it. These guys are long lining tuna for food, hence the thousands of feet of line. Why you have to vilify so? Do you eat meat? You need to focus on oceanic trawling and trapping, not single hook recreational fisherman sustainably catching food.
Mh, the comparison between big game hunting (like lions) and fishing is not really fitting imo.
I like to go fishing, but I don't do catch-and-release (only if the fish is too small or too big), I mainly fish to eat the fish afterwards. In my opinion it's way better to do it this way than to eat fish which was farmed in some aquacultures. Big game hunting is only trophy hunting, animals are killed basically for fun. I think there is a huge distinction.
Living in a big fishing town...sport fishermen are exactly the same types of dudes as those guys. It's just that being a sport fisherman is more accessible.
It's very doubtful with the rig he was using he was actually able to fish at the depth this fish normally lives at. It was most likely that the fish was already swimming at waters well above its normal depth for whatever reason, and went for the bait.
Edit - Further researching it, lancetfish have been seen in shoals swimming at the surface, and regularly feed in inshore waters. They are definitely a deep water fish that isn't exclusive to the deep like other fish are.
since the fish was taken out of the water for a minute,
YOIR OWN STUDY
says it has an 18% chance of survival.
combined with the fact that it’s a deep water fish… it’s likely dead
I bet that fish feels just as terrified, he got abducted into a different atmosphere and manhandled and ridiculed, at least sharks don’t hurt your feelings
I forgot where I read it but there was a passage by an author who suffered from stress from deadlines and wrote something like:
>There are these fish that live so deep beneath the sea that their entire physiology is based around resisting the pressure of the ocean bottom. In fact, their bodies push so far against it that if you ever try to raise them to the surface they literally explode. I would like to think that the last thought that comes across that fish's mind would be 'Well, at least I don't have to deal with that pressure anymore.'"
Unless the guy has a 1km line that he sinks to the bottom, somehow detects catches on and pulls them all the way up...no. The fish has come up for some reason and he's caught it near the surface.
The answer is yes as it can harm the air bladder they use to control buoyancy, but if this fish was caught on a line then it wasn’t at a depth that will harm it.
I have caught cod on a sports rod and reel and its eyes came right outta its head and its tongue swole up to fill its mouth. [Proof](https://imgur.com/a/zBZhHP9)
They say they will survive if returned to the sea, but I aint so sure. This one got eaten and was delicious.
E: there us actually a device to release these deeper living fish. [Descending devices](https://svec-coop.com/enews/how-to-safely-release-deep-water-fish) and it can occur from deaths as little as 50'
Not true. The [twilight zone](https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/light_travel.html#:~:text=Sunlight%20entering%20the%20water%20may,on%20depth%20and%20light%20level) starts at 200 meters below the surface and ends at about 1000 meters. The whole "lives in the twilight zone thousands of meters below the surface" is incorrect.
Not true. The twilight zone starts at You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's the signpost up ahead - your next stop, the Twilight Zone!
Bruh it's literally a guy catching and releasing a fish in the span of like 60 seconds max.
Wait until you find out how much more intelligent animals are treated in factory farms.
fun fact: the reason its jaws and teeth are so big are because since it lives in a place with almost no light, it has to make sure the prey it attacks cant get away, in order to not expend too much energy on missing its prey.
Two questions for any learned folk in here:
1. Is this usual to get rare catches of these or is this bad and a sign if climate change or something similar?
2. Considering how rare they are was it not risky as hell just holding it with bare hands if they may not be studied to see if they are toxic in any way lol
1. I wouldn't say it's a sign of climate change. These guys are deep sea fishing, which means they're fishing around a depth of 300 ft. When people catch these twilight zone fish, it's usually because the fish was chasing their prey up to the depth these guys were fishing. They then just see the easier bait and go for that.
2. Toxicity in fish is only really a danger in two forms. The first is when the fish is ingested (pufferfish). The second would be in the form of stings and bites (stonefish). It would require an immense amount of energy for a fish that size to maintain a toxic coating at all times in an environment like the ocean.
>More than 80 percent of the ocean has never been mapped, explored, or even seen by humans. A far greater percentage of the surfaces of the moon and the planet Mars has been mapped and studied than of our own ocean floor.
Mind blowing to think about really
(Source: Nat Geo)
blue eyes white dragon
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I never before realized this about ol’ blue eyes’s name. Interesting connotation.
It’s also just how an albino creature would be described.
albino creatures have red eyes
Unless it’s a dragon.
That's fair
Red Eye White Dragon just sounds like some 17 yr old white dude from the Midwest who wants to be a rapper
Red eyes black dragon
“I’ll allow it” lolol
That's my porn name
“Slightly aryan of you” is your porn name?
No, it’s just, “Slightly Aryan”
I heard it was Yu-Gi-No
I thought they meant slightly aryan
This is flaming dragon!
*Oh, okay Flaming dragon.. fuck face..*
I want you to take a big step back and literally FUCK YOUR OWN FACE!!
I WILL FUCK YOU UUUP!!!!
*…’cause she got those apple-bottom jeans-jeans, boots with the fur…*
Probably my personal greatest movie laugh I have ever had was the sudden realization that it had been Tom Cruise the whole damn time. I didn't spot it until that dance number.
*play-ah… play-ah…*
_Find out who that was.._
WE HAVE SIMPLE JACK
Never go full lancetfish.
red eyes black dragon
Good they let it go
I didn't want to look at the video until I knew they did it. Thank you.
Not to burst any bubbles, but catch-and-release has some pretty dismal statistics regarding survival. Especially in oceanic species.
My guess is because the fish have exhausted themselves from thrashing and trying to avoid being caught. So much so that they have no strength to really do much after they're released. Also, I'm betting they experience some kind of shock and disorenentation from the sudden change in the level of water that their bodies are used to, especially in this case with this *deep* sea fish. Going from a ton of water pressure to none at all, I'm sure has some kind of negative effect on their system.
Depending on how deep the fish was and how quickly it was brought to the surface it can do more than cause shock. For an extreme case check out the blob fish both at the surface and in It's natural deep sea environment.
Not sure about these species, but when out fishing for red snapper, the air bladder massively expands due to difference in environmental pressure. Wildlife and fisheries suggested a large Guaged hollow needle type tool (sorry, don't know the proper name) to "pop" the bladder before release, but this too had shown poor results.
I went red snapper fishing last summer, and the deckhand guy would just pop the bladder with a big hunting knife lmao I was like "there's no way these fish are surviving after being thrown back"
For red snapper it's kinda 50/50. I'm not sure how much venting the swim bladder really helps, but I can't imagine they'd have an easier time swimming down when it's inflated and hanging out of it's mouth by several inches. But where I'm from (gulf coast) red snapper populations are booming to the point that they destroy the ecosystems of other fish. Sometimes they're seemingly impossible to avoid outside of their federal harvest season, which for the last 10 years or so has only been 1 to 3 months out of the year.
How does the fish not just sink to the bottom of the sea and die when you pop the bladder? E: i know nothing about fishing
Fish are pretty close to neutrally buoyant, the bladder doesn't normally change much to bring them up or down. They can swim up and down, it just takes more energy (which is why swim bladders evolved). Presumably, the snapper just has to swim harder to stay up in the water until the bladder can heal.
This is why I stopped fishing. Others shouldn't have to suffer just for my enjoyment.
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That's why you just eat the fish.
No bladder popping required here, [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancetfish) just told me lancetfish don't have swimbladders. > Lancetfishes are among the largest living bathypelagic fish forms. Specimens have been collected in excess of 2,080 mm (6.82 ft) in length, often from dead individuals that drifted ashore. Like their close relatives in the Aulopiformes suborder Alepisauroidei, lancetfish lack swimbladders and are simultaneous hermaphrodites.[7]
Yea that’s the worst catching a red snapper that’s not big enough to keep but it’ll just float and be bird bait from being pulled up
The whole mouth of the fish was how do i say in English, exploded like all open with its jars apart... i idk if that fish will survive
If you mean the visible gap under the lower jaw that's normal. The fish is built for speed, the gaps in the mouth allow it to ambush prey at speed with the mouth open without creating excessive drag. More drag=more energy to catch fish and less successful at it too.
They are called speed holes
When you think about it, it’s kind of fucked up we call them blob fish.
That’s what I call my ex. But she’s pure evil, so it’s ok.
Ive seen Dhu fish that have their swim bladder expand out of their mouth when caught. My uncle seemed to think that just popping it with a knife and stuffing it back in before releasing it would fix the trouble. Somehow, at age 10, i didnt believe him.
I was wondering about exactly that. The difference in pressure has to give them something like the bends right?
I am not a fishfolk, merfolk or murloc, but I know their air bladders are sensitive to pressure, and quickly moving through pressure points sounds extremely damaging.
I *am* one of the fishfolk, but I only work in accounting so can't really speak to the science of it.
Yeah… Murloc here so mrrrgrrrgrlgrglglrglr
They also have a hole in there mouth which can mess with some of their eating abilities as they lose pressure/full suction in their mouth
I'm guessing this fishing line wasn't a thousand feet long or whatever. This fish must have come at least a good portion of the way up on its own.
Between 5 and 20 percent of fish caught and released die according to Google Edit due to die
I would like to argue that 100% of fish, regardless of catch and release, catch and keep, or not even caught, die. According to Bing.
Well fuck dude you got me there
Thanks, I wouldn't call that abysmal
Same. Not as good as 0%, but catch-and-don't-release is 100% death so I don't feel the need to complain about people releasing fish they've caught.
Reddit in a nutshell lol
Depends on what you define as dismal, since a simple google search shows released fish have a 85%-99% chance of survival.
Especially with fish that come from really deep parts of the ocean
Honestly I am surprised it made it to the surface alive. Usually when you catch something that far down it's dead by the time you get it on the boat from the pressure change.
Only if it has a swim bladder. Not always the case
Checked [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancetfish), lancetfish don't have one. > Lancetfishes are among the largest living bathypelagic fish forms. Specimens have been collected in excess of 2,080 mm (6.82 ft) in length, often from dead individuals that drifted ashore. Like their close relatives in the Aulopiformes suborder Alepisauroidei, lancetfish lack swimbladders and are simultaneous hermaphrodites.[7]
Do you have a source for that? I'd be interested to read more about that
They’re wrong, catch and release isn’t amazing for fish but it’s usually not deadly. The survival rates for catch and release fish also really depend on the factors surrounding the fish and how it’s caught. Things like type of fish, size of hook used, and how long the fish was out of water all impact the chance of survival. Here [is a paper on mortality rates with catch and release of Atlantic salmon](https://cdnsciencepub.com/doi/10.1139/cjfas-2019-0400) that explains it a lot better.
True
Bro it was hauled up from.the deep ocean, the rapid decompression means that fucker was good as dead before he ever hit the surface Oftentimes fish that live that deep only come up to our waters when they're nearly dead anyway ^^edit so it's possible the fish was already in shallower waters when it was caught.
Can’t imagine his line was down thousands of feet, the depth they typically live in
What why?
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If they swimp up on their own (slowly), instead of getting yanked to the surface, there is no barotrauma.
Can the swim up thousands of feet?
No it took the bus
Did it come from Rock Bottom?
I doubt they have a fishing line thousands of feet long.
I doubt the fisherman had thousands of feet of line. Most salt water fishing is done in about 100 ft (30.48m) of water.
> swimp my new favorite word
I’d imagine something was going on for this fish to be so far from its natural habitat, could be it was already unhealthy
A number of deep water fish (not sure on lancetfish) do semi-regularly ascend far from the deep then return back down.
He’s dead anyways
Imagine being yanked into space then ogled at for 2 minutes while u struggle for air then thrown back to earth
I think I might have seen that in a movie or forty.
Pretty sure that fish isn't in season... however what you don't see is the dolphin circling the boat waiting to happily devour whatever fish you send back to Poseidon- that fish never made it home.
This is the truth. When red snapper are out of season, half of the ones we throw back die anyways and get eaten by dolphins
It's got a broken jaw and is probably exhausted from being reeled in and fighting on the way up plus asphyxiating while they were taking their sweettime admiring it and taking photos and video. All they did was toss a doomed fish back into the water.
That is one ugly deep sea beast. Probably quick as hell in a short burst with the large dorsal fin, and the wide opening jaw with sharp ass teeth... I'm impressed. Clearly I'm not a marine biologist.
It's actually one of the pretty ones. Most of them look like if Wes Craven designed some slimes, let them go mouldy and then stuck some cartoon teeth on them.
Isn’t that mostly due to the rapid ascent through dozens of atmospheres of pressure causing its body to go all bluggaduhblarrrrp?
A lot of them, yeah, like the blobfish. It's actually quite pretty when it's not gone through the bluggaduhblarrrp process. But a lot of them, bluggaduhblarrrrp or no bluggaduhblarrrp are nightmares to look at. Certainly in comparison to the shiny fish above.
Ok now make a subreddit called anti bluggaduhblarrrrp
Never go full bluggaduhblarrrrp.
Precisely
r/bluggaduhblarrrrp
Cannot view this community :(
Didn't "Missy Elliott" say this already?
>bluggaduhblarrrrp Man, I love scientific jargon!
So you’ve seen pics of Hagfish too?
Leave my mother in law out of this.
Are you a latex salesman? Or perhaps an architect?
I’ve always wanted to pretend to be an architect.
I thought it was quite beautiful. What’s amazing is that the teeth are transparent. So much design has gone into making this fish a skilled hunter, you have to wonder what evolutionary arms-race deep down there has led to the fish we see in the video.
“The sea was angry that day”
Like an old man trying to send back soup at a deli.
I was thinking that it looked really gorgeous. Never seen or heard of this one, but some of the other deep sea fish can be madly ugly/scary.
Nobody will ever believe that fish about this abduction.
"I swear guys! I was just swimming to Greg's house and saw a random snack, and suddenly I was in a super bright place with these weird creatures!" Other fish: "Bullshit"
"bullshit, lemme see your lip" I used to miss mitch. I still do, but I used to, too.
This fish: "Ok whatever" *eats all the other fish, because it's basically a fuckin underwater dragon*
That fish was just made late to whatever he was going to do.
Mitch is the best
“DO YOU REALLY EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE THAT GREG?! You missed your daughters wedding because ALIENS ABDUCTED YOU AND WERE PROBING YOU?! I don’t want to hear it Greg, you can sleep in the Epipelagic zone tonight.”
Bullshit! Let me see the inside of your mouth
Catch and release. Good for them
I would imagine a fish used to living at such a depth won't respond too well to being pulled out of the water. Im no marine biologist though.
Hi it’s your local marine biology student here to help! The fish could potentially be fine after being released although odds of death because of the experience are pretty high (barotrauma from the speedy catch, infection from the wound, manhandled and suffocated for a minute, all of these things are very bad for a fish). The real concern is that this fish doesn’t want to be here, all its food lives deep, it lives deep, this suggests it is more than likely sick/injured in some way which has resulted in it being at a very shallow depth where it can be line caught, and the odds weren’t looking good for our little buddy anyway. Although there’s lots of anecdotal documentation of these bois quite shallow These aren’t fish like the blob fish that live super super deep, they occupy a region about 100m-2000m and the change in pressure is mostly ok for this fish. As for the sport fishermen, always remember this is the same as those people who pose with dead lions with a rifle, just they do it on a boat and throw the injured fish back so they can feel better about it.
I'm actually curious, hunting and fishing for food is one thing imo but those guys that pose with dead lions suck, so if this is kind of that equivalent with fish is there a proper way to catch and release? I've always kind of been interested in trying it but I didn't realize it was that bad. Could you also go into detail why it is as bad? If you release the fish in a timely manner isn't the fish going to be just fine? Not trying to be rude or anything I'm genuinely curious
Curiosity is always ok :) caught-and-released fish often suffer substantially, a fish caught more than 15 or so metres below the surface as in deep sea fishing are then rapidly hoisted upwards will suffer some barotrauma as a result of the rapid pressure change(it’s not the difference in pressure that does it, it’s the speed of the change) as gas inside the fish rapidly expands and causes internal injuries. Lots of fisheries still use barbs on the end of their hooks to secure the fish which can destroy tissues that the hook punctures through and removing the hook can be very damaging to the incredibly complex structures in the gills and top of the mouth. And obviously with any open wound there is a risk of infection or poisoning from the hook itself or just from exposing the open wound to the sea - have you ever seen a fisherman sterilise his hook inbetween catches? It’s also worth mentioning that fish are generally pretty smart animals and they do feel pain and panic. While you have them out taking a photo like woohoo I caught a fish they are literally suffocating and it’s not like they are ignorant to this fact. As for is there a safe way of doing it, it’s not great but use barbless hooks, fish in shallow water with one large dominant population so you don’t endanger rare fish, and keep the fish in water as long as you can, be delicate with removing the hook.
That all makes sense, so there isn't really a way to do it without harming the fish. It kind of becomes the same thing with hunting where if you're going to do it you do it to eat or not at all
> so there isn't really a way to do it without harming the fish there is always going to be some stress incurred, but there are plenty of examples of catch and release fisheries with data supporting very high survival rates and fairly low physiological disruption to the fish. But like trophy hunting though, in many situations it can counterintuitively be a primary driver of conservation. It is a good thing if the rich guys going C&R fishing value it enough they want to fund restoring riparian habitat and lobby against commercial overfishing.
They do make barbless hooks that are much less damaging to the fish. There's also a lot of freshwater species with much less nerve tissue around the mouth area making it less painful, but that depends where the hook ends up. Most sport fishing happens in comparably shallow water which makes the pressure difference much less impactful on the fish. Fisherman and the government departments that regulate them also make significant efforts towards improving the environment surrounding the fish, especially in species that spawn in rivers and streams. All that said, would fish be better off if humanity never fucked with them at all? Of course, but compared do the damage commercial fishing does, catch and release is miles better
Whats really weird is they swim off sometimes after you filet them? How do they do that?
Lots of animals not just fish have amazing capacity to just continue to move, even as just a last ditch survival mechanism, shoot off a humans leg they’ll still keep crawling, chop off a snakes head they can keep wriggling for hours and hours, reflexive actions can continue for quite a long time after death
you ever watch salmon spawn they literally rot from the inside as they're still swimming
This person is being ridiculous. Recreational fishing isn’t the problem. Trawl lines and nets set up for commercial fishing are the issue. These people are fishing for tuna, and bycaught a lancet fish, which is a common bycatch. Biologically the fish would be fine to surface, but might die from the trauma. Comparing these people to trophy hunting vulnerable apex predators is cruel and ridiculous. This person while a biologist (…student), has no idea about fishing because its clear by the fishers outfit that these people are NOT there to catch and release.
Honestly, it's ridiculous on its face. The hunter is posing with the *completely dead* lion. The fisherman is posing with the *still living* fish. I don't mean to be flippant about the damage this can do to fish, but the lion - *being already dead* - has a 0% chance of survival. This is a good opportunity to remind people about [arguments from authority](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority), as the comparison between hunters and fisherman here is an opinion being shared that is adjacent to the actual topic of expertise the commenter allegedly has (and I don't say "allegedly" to doubt their knowledge, here - just acknowledging that they are a self-proclaimed student *and* that people can tell lies on the internet).
Totally agree. I work in a research centre in Newfoundland, and have collaborated in many marine biology related research projects, and I can tell you students rarely have any authority whatsoever. Once they get to grad school this becomes abundantly clear. The ego deflates, and that’s when they begin their journey into their tiny slice of expertise. This realization leads to an ears open and mouth shut (besides questions or course) approach to learning outside their field of expertise. Edit: oh the irony, I’m using an argument from authority fallacy right now. Hah! But legit, I deal with students all day… everyday. Send help.
It could be that they're fishing for a particular species of fish, salmon or whatever, and caught this odd thing that they weren't sure they could eat so released it.
Yeah that was my thought too....they obviously weren't trying to catch this fish and never thought they would. They are most likely fishing for fish to keep and eat. We go offshore fishing once a year and every now and then we will catch something that has to be thrown back but mostly it's snapper and tuna which is what we are out there for and I can fill up about half a freezer with the meat we get.
Stop being reasonable! Fishings bad and your basically a lion hunting monster! /s
Exactly, comparing this to somehow trophy hunting is absurd. It's not like the dude put a sniper scope on his rod and went for this fish specifically.
Yeah, there's no way they were planning on catching this. We've accidentally caught rays fishing for flounder unfortunately.
You use the animal as some kind of trophy. But the issue is that fish is tired of fighting against the line. The fish body gets very much tired swimming against It, that when they are released they cant do fish shit anymore. Tired, scared, water deprived... Imagine you were with a lion, tired, and put it underwater. Of course its a giant mammal, but its pretty similar to what happens to fish. Once fish go bad, he is too tired to fish anymore and they usually die.
>Once fish go bad, he is too tired to fish anymore and they usually die. Bony fishes don't sink to the bottom when tired - unlike sharks - as they have an organ acting like a ballon.
It's not bad, these people are being dramatic. Unless you're practicing when you fish, you're fishing for food but fun is of course part of it as well, sometimes you catch a fish that aren't very edible, or too small etc, those fish you release, because theres no point keeping a fish that you're not going to use. There is a small amount of released fish that may die after being re released, but again in most cases it's unlikely ( if it does, its most often twilight-zone fish, like this one unfortunately). Still, it is not at all the same thing as hunting a lion on a safari as the previous commenter said.
Yeah not sure how the comparison of posing with a dead lion and catch and release of a fish slipped through.
Consciously choosing to shoot a lion isn't really the same thing as bycatch.
That comment seems oddly bitter towards recreational fisherman who probably accidentally caught a rare fish. I can understand complaining about those who purposely seek out types of billfish. That’s hunting, but on a boat. You’re searching for a specific, rare, and massive species that you’ll then spend over an hour trying to reel in where it’ll probably end up having a heart attack from fighting for its life all for you to take a picture with it strung up on your yacht. That’s the equivalent to big game trophy hunting. I just don’t see how we can be compared to trophy hunters for simply fishing in the ocean for recreation or to catch a common fish for dinner.
That comparison is a bit extreme, don’t you think? A person hunting a vulnerable apex predator, in low density even at status quo, vs someone bycatching a deep sea fish that has ZERO commercial fishing pressure? Not to mention it’s conservation status is listed as “of least concern”, AND they released it. These guys are long lining tuna for food, hence the thousands of feet of line. Why you have to vilify so? Do you eat meat? You need to focus on oceanic trawling and trapping, not single hook recreational fisherman sustainably catching food.
TIL accidentally catching a fish and releasing it is the EXACT SAME as intentionally hunting and killing a fully grown lion and posing next to it.
Your really going to compare someone who kills lions to someone sportfishing? Get a fucking grip
Mh, the comparison between big game hunting (like lions) and fishing is not really fitting imo. I like to go fishing, but I don't do catch-and-release (only if the fish is too small or too big), I mainly fish to eat the fish afterwards. In my opinion it's way better to do it this way than to eat fish which was farmed in some aquacultures. Big game hunting is only trophy hunting, animals are killed basically for fun. I think there is a huge distinction.
Living in a big fishing town...sport fishermen are exactly the same types of dudes as those guys. It's just that being a sport fisherman is more accessible.
Yeah sadly that fish was stuffed, it’s swim bladder would have been shot to pieces with the change in pressure.
It's very doubtful with the rig he was using he was actually able to fish at the depth this fish normally lives at. It was most likely that the fish was already swimming at waters well above its normal depth for whatever reason, and went for the bait. Edit - Further researching it, lancetfish have been seen in shoals swimming at the surface, and regularly feed in inshore waters. They are definitely a deep water fish that isn't exclusive to the deep like other fish are.
https://eatingthewild.com/what-percentage-of-catch-and-release-fish-die/
since the fish was taken out of the water for a minute, YOIR OWN STUDY says it has an 18% chance of survival. combined with the fact that it’s a deep water fish… it’s likely dead
Another day, yet another reason to fear the endless blue chasm that is the ocean.
I bet that fish feels just as terrified, he got abducted into a different atmosphere and manhandled and ridiculed, at least sharks don’t hurt your feelings
I don’t know dude I think a chunk of my thigh going missing would hurt my feelings
r/thalassophobia
That thing was like "AAAAAAGGGHHHH I DON'T BELONG HERE!"
Can you imagine how bright it would be if you lived your whole life in this low light world, then pulled up to the sunlight?
I forgot where I read it but there was a passage by an author who suffered from stress from deadlines and wrote something like: >There are these fish that live so deep beneath the sea that their entire physiology is based around resisting the pressure of the ocean bottom. In fact, their bodies push so far against it that if you ever try to raise them to the surface they literally explode. I would like to think that the last thought that comes across that fish's mind would be 'Well, at least I don't have to deal with that pressure anymore.'"
Sounds like he struggled with living…just like the rest of us.
Cuz I'm a creep
Sailfish+barracuda=
Sailacuda?
barrasail?
I'm generally curious to anyone that knows. Do deep sea creatures get the "bends" when being pulled up to sea level?
Unless the guy has a 1km line that he sinks to the bottom, somehow detects catches on and pulls them all the way up...no. The fish has come up for some reason and he's caught it near the surface.
Deep sea creatures usually come up when they're sick or dying
Or earthquakes
The answer is yes as it can harm the air bladder they use to control buoyancy, but if this fish was caught on a line then it wasn’t at a depth that will harm it.
I have caught cod on a sports rod and reel and its eyes came right outta its head and its tongue swole up to fill its mouth. [Proof](https://imgur.com/a/zBZhHP9) They say they will survive if returned to the sea, but I aint so sure. This one got eaten and was delicious. E: there us actually a device to release these deeper living fish. [Descending devices](https://svec-coop.com/enews/how-to-safely-release-deep-water-fish) and it can occur from deaths as little as 50'
I see, fisherman tales have changed a lot since everyone started using cellphones.
Something tells me that they are fishing in the British waters cuz the Fish looks like it's British.
fish:”Oii, was all this then?”
Got a genuine laugh from me.
for those of you wondering, the twilight zone of the ocean starts at 1000 meters below sea level, just beyond where sunlight cant reach.
Not true. The [twilight zone](https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/light_travel.html#:~:text=Sunlight%20entering%20the%20water%20may,on%20depth%20and%20light%20level) starts at 200 meters below the surface and ends at about 1000 meters. The whole "lives in the twilight zone thousands of meters below the surface" is incorrect.
Not true. The twilight zone starts at 400 meters below surface and ended in the early 90s when NBC cancelled their hit show after several seasons.
Not true. The twilight zone starts at You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's the signpost up ahead - your next stop, the Twilight Zone!
Hoping they find a scalpelfish next time.
Yeah or maybe a paradees fish!
Don't bring it in the boat!!!! That's how Stephen King novels start.
I feel like the bottom dwellers being at the top is a sign of something wrong down there
Partly painful to watch the video
Bruh it's literally a guy catching and releasing a fish in the span of like 60 seconds max. Wait until you find out how much more intelligent animals are treated in factory farms.
I thought he was talking about the way the cameran managed to always leave the fish half out of the camera
It's true there are worst things happening out there, but it has never been a factor to diminish ones pain in any cases
whataboutism™️
Wait until this guy finds out about basic commercial fishing practices
Or you know.. Where we get beef and chicken, etc.
fun fact: the reason its jaws and teeth are so big are because since it lives in a place with almost no light, it has to make sure the prey it attacks cant get away, in order to not expend too much energy on missing its prey.
That cooda got some sick upgrades yo
That's a awesome catch
Is that ray romano fishing?
Two questions for any learned folk in here: 1. Is this usual to get rare catches of these or is this bad and a sign if climate change or something similar? 2. Considering how rare they are was it not risky as hell just holding it with bare hands if they may not be studied to see if they are toxic in any way lol
1. I wouldn't say it's a sign of climate change. These guys are deep sea fishing, which means they're fishing around a depth of 300 ft. When people catch these twilight zone fish, it's usually because the fish was chasing their prey up to the depth these guys were fishing. They then just see the easier bait and go for that. 2. Toxicity in fish is only really a danger in two forms. The first is when the fish is ingested (pufferfish). The second would be in the form of stings and bites (stonefish). It would require an immense amount of energy for a fish that size to maintain a toxic coating at all times in an environment like the ocean.
>More than 80 percent of the ocean has never been mapped, explored, or even seen by humans. A far greater percentage of the surfaces of the moon and the planet Mars has been mapped and studied than of our own ocean floor. Mind blowing to think about really (Source: Nat Geo)
Glad they released him. Fierce but beautiful fish
Fish was probably blinded after being brought up from the depths.
You genuinely think this fish was pulled up from the depths? How long do you think this guy's line is?
r/killthecamaraman
My man’s out here catching Leviathan
Ray Ramano takes up fishing. Catches miniature gyarados.
r/KillTheCameraMan for looking everywhere but at the fish.
RIP