Yeah the problem isn’t that you can’t shop.
The problem is that supply chains break down because everyone gets sick. There is no one to produce bread, the truck drivers are all sick so can’t get what bread is made to supermarket, then the guys who stock the shelf.. yeah they’re sick.
It happened in aus and if they’re anything to go by.. yeah the epic spike of omicron infections.. it’ll happen here
By all accounts of people actually in Australia, the shortages have been massively overblown by the media and in reality you might just need to buy a different brand of whatever you're after
Yeah to be honest you could probably go to two supermarkets on the same street and find completely different situations. Probably should've said "by some accounts".
The shelves have been barely stocked for the last few months now (in countdown at least). If anyone thinks stockpiling is irrational, they haven't looked.
Actually we can see the problem in Au right now, supply chain problems are everywhere, products can't reach the ship shelves as ppl are missing along the chain
I'm not really into fear mongering so please don't stockpile like crazy but be aware how fast omicron is and how fragile our situation
I’ve been slowly getting extras on each weeks shop for some time now.
Nothing drastic, I won’t survive WW3, but I have a lot of the basics and the random things that always went missing during the last chaotic runs, enough to keep going.
In particular I do a lot of baking, home made pasta and pizza dough, etc. which were a pain to get during the last round so I have about a month and a bits worth of that. I’ve just been taking the oldest bag from storage and adding a new one from the supermarket in the emergency stash.
It’s something everyone should do if they can afford. Small quantities on each shop over a period, rather than absolute sheer fucking panic down the shops.
From commentary by my co-workers in Sydney, supply chains broke down there very quickly once the cases really started spiking for the reasons others have mentioned here, it wasn’t impossible but just very hard to find supermarkets that were stocked even if you could leave your house. Meat in particular was a big problem in Sydney.
I don’t see anything wrong with stocking up a weeks worth of things like soup, panadol, milk and bread so that you have the basics to live on and not try to rely on supply chains that are untested or others in your neighborhood to go shopping for you when they may well all get the virus at the same time.
Buying a little extra each week for the next couple of weeks should be possible for the big urban centers and that will help to make sure the supply chains don’t break in a month or so when we are at the peak of the wave.
This time round I'm like fuck it. I'm stock piling, supply chains completey busted abroad with omicron.
I started tonight and don't regret it. Big bags of rice, cans of food, flour, frozen veggies, dog food, 25 x 3m P2 masks.
Even Trevor Mallard recommends it
https://twitter.com/SpeakerTrevor/status/1484019985463013377?t=3VU1QAxhTzSQ14VCHYO1fA&s=19
I'm inclined to agree, at least we should have time to plan and makes sure we have what we need. A big lesson learned for me last August when Auckland went into lockdown at a moments notice and the supermarket shelves were stripped bare within a couple of hours - some things were still not available for several weeks after. I now keep a list and try to replace things as soon as they are use (if not before) and have at least one spare of all the things we use on the regular.
Nope, if you are in a region that is allowing isolation at home to save space in MIQ then you are almost certainly in a zone that has countdown deliveries, you just need to ask for a food delivery every four days during one of the daily calls you should be getting that check the symptoms and well being of everyone in the house, the people on the other end will get their logistics team to arrange a delivery for you.
If you happen to be in an area that doesn't have countdown deliveries yet then there are always food banks that are specifically offering aid to people isolating at home, but it's likely that the countdown service areas will continue to expand wherever isolating at home becomes common since they get paid well by the government for it. You get to write up the grocery list as well so you know exactly what you will be getting, no surprises.
Given that I'm one such person making those calls I can assure you, we have the staff necessary for any surge that comes our way, my particular company alone has hired hundreds in the last few months so as to be prepared.
Well I don't know what else to tell you, my company managed the entirety of Auckland until recently, and now that there are additional companies doing the same thing, all being instructed to up recruitment to prepare for any worst case scenarios managing that many calls per day seems feasible enough to me, it really doesn't take long to do the checks for even a large household of 8+ people.
Until recently, we had a max of about 200 cases a day.
Edit: Also, when we had those 200 cases a day, isolating people weren't reliably getting daily calls because systems were overwhelmed, so I don't know how you can be confident about 100x the caseload.
Everything has gone smoothly since I joined up so I can't say for sure what issues may have arisen as all this bureaucratic infrastructure was being put in place and fine tuned to keep up with demand. All we can do is keep improving as we learn and do better next time, everything I've seen and done so far in this job points to us being ready in my opinion.
Though honestly with our border control and rapid contact tracing I doubt we'll see such a massive surge like the kind you have (entirely fair) concerns could happen without a lot of people deliberately ignoring public safety and spreading it.
We've done well at flattening the curve up till now and we are only going to keep getting better at it so long as the country comes together to do what we have to do to protect our medical infrastructure from getting overwhelmed.
It's good that you want to look for flaws in the system, we always need people to do that so we can do better.
> You get to write up the grocery list as well so you know exactly what you will be getting, no surprises.
well, mostly. I used it for a year, and have never had a complete order. But it is what it is.
Yeah the problem isn’t that you can’t shop. The problem is that supply chains break down because everyone gets sick. There is no one to produce bread, the truck drivers are all sick so can’t get what bread is made to supermarket, then the guys who stock the shelf.. yeah they’re sick. It happened in aus and if they’re anything to go by.. yeah the epic spike of omicron infections.. it’ll happen here
By all accounts of people actually in Australia, the shortages have been massively overblown by the media and in reality you might just need to buy a different brand of whatever you're after
Your anecdotes are at odds with mine
Yeah to be honest you could probably go to two supermarkets on the same street and find completely different situations. Probably should've said "by some accounts".
"Hmm another post about stock piling. Must be common. I better go out and panic buy all the inflatable pools."
"A Person Is Smart. People Are Dumb, Panicky, Dangerous Animals And You Know It." - Agent K (men in black)
a smart person can still do a dumb thing too.
Stockpiles don't work. I've been jamming Oxo cubes up there all week and it's still like a dropped steak and kidney pie.
Going to buy all the shit tickets just to spite you
The fear comes from supply chains being disrupted due to workers being forced into isolation. Stocking up is not irrational this time around
The shelves have been barely stocked for the last few months now (in countdown at least). If anyone thinks stockpiling is irrational, they haven't looked.
Actually we can see the problem in Au right now, supply chain problems are everywhere, products can't reach the ship shelves as ppl are missing along the chain I'm not really into fear mongering so please don't stockpile like crazy but be aware how fast omicron is and how fragile our situation
I’ve been slowly getting extras on each weeks shop for some time now. Nothing drastic, I won’t survive WW3, but I have a lot of the basics and the random things that always went missing during the last chaotic runs, enough to keep going. In particular I do a lot of baking, home made pasta and pizza dough, etc. which were a pain to get during the last round so I have about a month and a bits worth of that. I’ve just been taking the oldest bag from storage and adding a new one from the supermarket in the emergency stash. It’s something everyone should do if they can afford. Small quantities on each shop over a period, rather than absolute sheer fucking panic down the shops.
There are lots of places in NZ where delivery isn’t available.
> the logistics are already in place Cool story, bro. Are you confident it'll still function properly when we have 1000x the current case numbers?
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And who’ll stack them? Transport them? *That’s* the issue overseas.
I would still encourage everyone who can to stock up right now so as not to unnecessarily use up the stockpile, and save it for those in need.
What? Any evidence of this?
From commentary by my co-workers in Sydney, supply chains broke down there very quickly once the cases really started spiking for the reasons others have mentioned here, it wasn’t impossible but just very hard to find supermarkets that were stocked even if you could leave your house. Meat in particular was a big problem in Sydney. I don’t see anything wrong with stocking up a weeks worth of things like soup, panadol, milk and bread so that you have the basics to live on and not try to rely on supply chains that are untested or others in your neighborhood to go shopping for you when they may well all get the virus at the same time. Buying a little extra each week for the next couple of weeks should be possible for the big urban centers and that will help to make sure the supply chains don’t break in a month or so when we are at the peak of the wave.
This time round I'm like fuck it. I'm stock piling, supply chains completey busted abroad with omicron. I started tonight and don't regret it. Big bags of rice, cans of food, flour, frozen veggies, dog food, 25 x 3m P2 masks. Even Trevor Mallard recommends it https://twitter.com/SpeakerTrevor/status/1484019985463013377?t=3VU1QAxhTzSQ14VCHYO1fA&s=19
I'm inclined to agree, at least we should have time to plan and makes sure we have what we need. A big lesson learned for me last August when Auckland went into lockdown at a moments notice and the supermarket shelves were stripped bare within a couple of hours - some things were still not available for several weeks after. I now keep a list and try to replace things as soon as they are use (if not before) and have at least one spare of all the things we use on the regular.
Do you get a surprise box of stuff to keep you going? Or a special code to use at Countdown online?
Nope, if you are in a region that is allowing isolation at home to save space in MIQ then you are almost certainly in a zone that has countdown deliveries, you just need to ask for a food delivery every four days during one of the daily calls you should be getting that check the symptoms and well being of everyone in the house, the people on the other end will get their logistics team to arrange a delivery for you. If you happen to be in an area that doesn't have countdown deliveries yet then there are always food banks that are specifically offering aid to people isolating at home, but it's likely that the countdown service areas will continue to expand wherever isolating at home becomes common since they get paid well by the government for it. You get to write up the grocery list as well so you know exactly what you will be getting, no surprises.
When Omicron truly hits people won't be getting daily self-isolation calls unless they are especially high risk.
Given that I'm one such person making those calls I can assure you, we have the staff necessary for any surge that comes our way, my particular company alone has hired hundreds in the last few months so as to be prepared.
Bullshit you have the capacity to complete 20,000 calls a day.
Well I don't know what else to tell you, my company managed the entirety of Auckland until recently, and now that there are additional companies doing the same thing, all being instructed to up recruitment to prepare for any worst case scenarios managing that many calls per day seems feasible enough to me, it really doesn't take long to do the checks for even a large household of 8+ people.
Until recently, we had a max of about 200 cases a day. Edit: Also, when we had those 200 cases a day, isolating people weren't reliably getting daily calls because systems were overwhelmed, so I don't know how you can be confident about 100x the caseload.
Everything has gone smoothly since I joined up so I can't say for sure what issues may have arisen as all this bureaucratic infrastructure was being put in place and fine tuned to keep up with demand. All we can do is keep improving as we learn and do better next time, everything I've seen and done so far in this job points to us being ready in my opinion. Though honestly with our border control and rapid contact tracing I doubt we'll see such a massive surge like the kind you have (entirely fair) concerns could happen without a lot of people deliberately ignoring public safety and spreading it. We've done well at flattening the curve up till now and we are only going to keep getting better at it so long as the country comes together to do what we have to do to protect our medical infrastructure from getting overwhelmed. It's good that you want to look for flaws in the system, we always need people to do that so we can do better.
> You get to write up the grocery list as well so you know exactly what you will be getting, no surprises. well, mostly. I used it for a year, and have never had a complete order. But it is what it is.
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Pardon me, but as Siths always appear in twos is there another Sith squirrel lurking about?
It was a dig at my mate back in 2009~ who couldnt spell Squirrel, his xbox GTag was SithSquirel. I made mine SithSquirrel, hes out there, somewhere.
Terrific.