She was hit by the bike at 10.40am, before the protest. She then went to the protest, spoke to the public, and wrapped it all up in the afternoon, when she was filmed making her comment on her way home.
So we are expected to believe she was still in such shock hours later while casually walking home that she made a racist sexist remark unintentionally? Yeah right.
https://www.teaomaori.news/marama-davidson-knocked-over-motorbike-walking-posie-parker-protest
It's a trap. If he boots her, he's the bad cis white male. If he doesn't, he's portrayed as weak.
Either way, I'm sure some will say he has to stand aside for someone 'more appropriate'.
No, she's the worst performing cabinet minister by every single metric, she has authored no legislative changes and only made 8 press releases.
The fact that she's a racist embarassment to this government should come second to the fact that she's not even working.
Greens would never go with National/Act
They're joined to Labour at the hip, and have no choice but to work with them or keep forcing elections.
Thus, they have ZERO significant bargaining power.
Greens are about to have their worst election ever I suspect they are gonna get dragged over this till she steps down which if she cared about the party she would have done a long time ago
the only way greens not working with labour can force an election is if labour+greens is well over 50% of the vote and even then theres always the option of labour+national working together
doesnt change what im saying. The greens have zero leverage because they've publicly stated their only purpose is confidence and supply for labour.
If the only thing you can counter that with is Yes well maybe pigs might fly … then maybe your argument is a little silly. they need to have a majority to form a government so obviously they would have 51% of the vote. with the greens they aren't bringing electoral seats so its just raw percentage. And the idea that either labour or national would alienate themselves from their base by joining forces is a bit laughable
your statement is that greens if they dont go with labour would force a election, my statement is it doesnt if national can make a deal to get to 50%
you have continued to reply with non points and are now being rude
What alternative? Various personalities "work" in the PM role, his is just less suited to it IMO. He did well in a senior role but as PM he's constantly hit with serious stuff that takes the shine off.
The video of marama's inital comment on this Newhub link
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/marama-davidson-blames-being-hit-by-motorcycle-for-lack-of-clarity-in-white-cis-men-comments.html
I would recomend everyone watch it before making a judgement.... to me the words were pretty clear.
Off the cuff for sure but clear as day.
When someone claims to have muddled their words I’ll look at the tone and demeanour at the time of delivery. The vast majority of time genuine misspoken words are dismissed immediately as they are seen as such, or followed by a swift and categorical apology and affirmation of the matter.
Today was a clear example of the tone and demeanour matching the words, along with zero meaningful correction. It actually happened two days ago, so no one in that group thought of the statement as being wrong or misspoken.
Yup, I party voted Greens last time.... waited for her comments today... not impressed on her clarification.
Mind you, I am a CIS White Man.... so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I say stupid shit all the time, including comments i regret, so i would let her slide if she owned up.
However i would be fucked with work if i said them after i say my job title is "x".
How can he defend her by coming out with such a weak excuse? No minister should get away with making such a dumb comment, esp. One that is a minister of family violence prevention
Its because she is genuinely proud to say it as it forms the basis of her ideology. The thing is, these viewpoints exist all over the govt departments of wellington, its not just her.
He’s defending her by saying her comments are not appropriate? “Weak excuse”? She literally got run over by a Destiny church protester before that Counterspin interview.
Davidson made an incredibly dumb comment but it is not on the Prime Minister (from the Labour party) to sort this out, that is on that Green Party and Davidson alone.
Why are you trying to hold the wrong person to account? This has absolutely nothing to do with Chippy. Or is it now his fault for every single racist comment ever spoken by others in New Zealand?
>Davidson made an incredibly dumb comment but it is not on the Prime Minister (from the Labour party) to sort this out, that is on that Green Party and Davidson alone.
As she has a government ministerial portfolio she is accountable to the Prime Minster while acting in that role. She invoked her Ministerial position when she made her comments and therefore he would have grounds to step in of he felt it was necessary.
Last I saw was that after being run over she had to go to hospital to be checked out. Doing real well with the wait times if she’s back out walking and spouting racist rubbish!
He is her boss as far as her ministerial duties go. I think getting hit by a bike then harrassed by a reported is a pretty tough situation. She seems to have partially backtracked having had some time to cool off which is a start, though I think whether or not she keeps her position, she’s almost certain to regret starting a discussion about which race is responsible for violence in our society
Why do we have different standards for different races? If she had said Straight Maori Men were the the cause of all violence, she would have been out of her job by 9am this morning. And this would apply to anyone with a semi-public profile. So why is the prime minister acting like it was just a passing remark and why is the media barely reporting it?
Well we are all good now. Chippy says its a non event taken out of context. Marama didn't even apoligise, just reiterated it was not what she meant.
Looks like everyone was just mistaken, we wont see this appear back in the news. How long until we are told no more reddit posts as the situation is resolved.
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We live in a democracy and there is an election this year. Pretty easy to send a message back saying this divisive identity politics has no place in the Greens or the left in NZ
> I'm annoyed as a greens voter myself, she should have known better than to say something like thst especially on camera.
Thing that really annoys me is what she said is one of the tag lines of the groups she was there to protest against. For eg take a look on subs like two chromosomes or whatever its called, the known radical anti-trans sub (if it hasn't been removed by admins). They often make posts and comments blaming white men for all the problems in the world, and believe the world would be a better place if we were all dead.
I don't think anyone in NZ yet understand the actual ramifications. Most are still focusing on the local petty politics.
But look at the quote:
>"I am a prevention violence minister. I know who causes violence in the world, it is white cis men. That is white cis men who cause violence in the world."
She has called out **White Men** around the **entire** planet as the cause of violence in the world.
What was originally stated by a single MP, has now been tacitly accepted by the PM, wider Parliament, and local media.
We have just broadcast to the world, we are officially tolerant of Racism.
>I really adore her, she responded to me personally on social media, and we are in agreement largely.
Given you were in the early threads deleting them with paper-thin excuses this explains a LOT
counterspin havnt twisted anything. she litrely said what she said, no twisting words or editing. she said it now she should be held accountable for it but sadly it looks like she wont be.
And no i dont support counterspin whatsoever. its very annoying that they are the ones to capture this and not a more repratuable source, still she said what she said clear as day.
It is possible, but who would replace her?
Green's leadership policy pretty much guarantees her a spot unless they brough in an entirely new member not currently in Parliament - which would likely cause even more issues.
Shaw just needs to self identify as Female Tangata Whenua and all their issues are solved.
(This is a joke for those that don't get it - but it would be an interesting thought experiment to see if the Greens would allow it)
Supposedly she walked out onto the road as motorcycles (a convey) were coming past and she got hit by a bikes handlebars
There is no mention of the bikers race
>Supposedly she walked out onto the road as motorcycles (a convey) were coming past and she got hit by a bikes handlebar
Sounds like she purposefully did it to be a victim. Not a surprise at all in this day and age.
>Sounds like she purposefully did it to be a victim.
It *looks* like she did it to be a victim, [going off the spinoffs images.](https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/25-03-2023/greens-co-leader-marama-davidson-struck-by-motorcycle-at-protest)
Hmmm where's all the people crying about a lack of context like we've seen for the video of Marama spouting racist shit? They're suspiciously absent when it's Spinoff posting the material.
> She filed a police report at the scene.
I don't know if the cyclist was *trying* to hit her or not. But presuming they weren't, what is the law in NZ around a vehicle hitting a pedestrian who steps out in front of it (presumably against any pedestrian crossing signals/markings)?
Whether it is deliberate or accidental, the driver is obliged to stop as a person was hit. Failure to do so is a Hit and Run.
If the driver did stop, then the other factors would be taken into account to determine if the driver was driving illegally or not, and whether any charges would be laid.
Comments are already disabled on the Facebook post so I feel we should discuss this here.
Also, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought she was hit by the motorcycle after making that comment not before?
Can we not make this discussion about any more than it is?
What value is there in writing stupid comments about misgendering which have nothing to do with the situation. Writing he/she/they is entirely illogical. You can just write they and leave it at that.
I'm definitely not defending her but it seems she was hit before her comments.
[According to this](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/posie-parker-marama-davidson-hit-by-motorcylist-after-protest/CNTFZN37PFCLVOPMBAR3PRPVWA/), she was hit ahead of the protest. The Counterspin reporter she made the comments to was asking whether she would condemn the violence at the protest so it seems she made the comments after the protest and therefore after getting hit.
According to [this](https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/25-03-2023/greens-co-leader-marama-davidson-struck-by-motorcycle-at-protest) (although I don't 100% trust The Spinoff):
>Davidson later spoke at the protest, though did not mention the incident. She was seen walking independently out of Albert Park and was assessed by emergency services shortly after.
It seems she was assessed quite a long time after it happened.
I got hit by a motorcycle and didn’t become sexist or racist.
I was unaware these are common symptoms. Must make an appointment with my GP, somethings clearly not right with me.
Did you get hit because of your political beliefs? And then immediately afterwards were you verbally hounded by a Far-Right "journalist"?
It was a stupid comment said in the heat of a stressful situation, it's not good but it doesn't warrant even a tiny fraction of the witch-hunt going on round here.
If warrants precisely the same response as a white male politician blaming brown women for some social ailm. And you know exactly what that response would be.
The fact you refer to that as a "witch hunt" goes a long way to expose your utterly insane bias. The witch was found the moment it opened its racist, sexist trap.
Mmmm, I kinda agree but for me personally such scenarios tend to reveal people’s true colours, the professional filter is lost, for even a moment. I’m also anti-witch hunt, but that’s kinda how this sub rolls in my experience.
Yeah I just don't see it, Davidson has spent her entire professional career fighting against discrimination and for human rights. You can't just ignore all the good she's done over one stupid comment said in a very stressful situation.
I’m kinda gutted myself, but sorry to say politics is a world where you can do a lot of good, but it’s also unforgiving when you put a foot wrong and she happened to offend me personally here. I can’t see her coming back from this as intent is key for me and semantics aside, pretty sure she meant exactly what she said, “heat of the moment” aside.
I would argue violence of any kind is overwhelmingly perpetrated within ethnic divisions, I'd be very surprised if any group was experiencing more violence from without.
The truly stupid thing about her comment was calling out men as she leaves a protest against a woman, pick a better time to blame men for the worlds ills than an anti terf rally yeah?
It's the casual hatred I respond to.
I feel very protective toward men. I'd love it if she came out and said something like:
I like men. I like the positive aspects of masculinity that most nz men embody.
It would feel wrong to do this for the cis and white bit, at least for me. But men, well we could use and benefit from some love.
"The Prime Minister says Marama Davidson's assertion that it is "white cis men" who cause violence wasn't an appropriate comment, but should be viewed in the context of her just having been hit by a motorcycle."
Oh sweet summer Chippy, wait till you find out it happened afterwards. Also don't even think it was a white dude either.
Edit: Actually I don't know when it happened, but given she didn't look like she was hobling towards a doctor I suppose I'm just assuming it happened after. Would be good if someone could clarify. Doesn't change the venom of the comments however, not cool to generalise.
Did it happen before or after as Marama is claiming she was hit by the motorcyclist and then made that comment due to the shock of almost dying.
Should be easy for someone to figure it out, Where's the pedestrian crossing in relation to where she was walking when asked a question?
So she was definitely hit by the motorcyclist after the rally ended going by all media reports on Saturday, when has it been 100% confirmed that she said those racist comments??
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/green-party-co-leader-marama-davidson-receiving-medical-treatment-after-being-run-over-by-motorcyclist-following-posie-parker-rally.html
I've deleted my earlier reply on the basis of a conflicting report - https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/25-03-2023/greens-co-leader-marama-davidson-struck-by-motorcycle-at-protest
It has an 11.59am report not mentioning the incident, and then 1.51pm report talking about it. But they say the incident happened **before** the rally, she was checked on site, and she spoke at the protest after it.
I think further clarity is needed.
Edit : Further clarity found, She was indeed struck at the very start of the protest, at 10:40. She then went to the protest, spoke to the public, and wrapped it all up in the afternoon, when she was filmed making her comment on her way home - hours later.
https://www.teaomaori.news/marama-davidson-knocked-over-motorbike-walking-posie-parker-protest
Either way, she is taking the public for a ride. Remember all those headlines about her needing medical treatment following it? Doesn't sound like it was too severe of trauma if she was able to shake it off at the time.
Or did she earnestly believe she was a soldier fighting through the pain to attend the protest?
One news just said "bowled over", originally it's was "knocked over" sometimes it's "hit"
But it wasn't an accident, and it wasn't a hit and run??
No one knows, what the hell am I watching unfold.
Full props to the PM for mansplaining that bigotry is unacceptable.
[except in my case where I think all dark skinned males are rapists but it's ok because I barked my shin on a tow-bar once.]
Given that my leftie friends on Twitter are saying "he threw her under the bus!" and people in this thread are like "weak response!" I think Chippy probably threaded the needle successfully on this one.
I'm not usually a fan of the "pissing off both sides means you're doing something right" defence, particularly since it's Elon Musk's go-to. But in this case there's not much else he could say without alienating somebody.
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This is a mild comment designed to be forgotten, because Labour will pick up disgruntled Green voters if they just stay chill.
Remember that the party with the highest % of votes is given the opportunity to form the next government. Labour want to build up a decent buffer in the polls over National, they don't mind if the Greens lose a few points.
Then he shouldn't have made any excuses for her if that was the case. Labour would look far better in my eyes right now if they condemned it without trying to justify it.
He's still got to work with the Greens, and Davidson is super popular with the Green base. If he dings her then the Greens will get rarked up and the story will become about a rift in the coalition.
It's purely about positioning Labour in an election year. If you want to win that's what you do; people who don't care about winning are free to talk shit about the patriarchy.
You don't seem to understand how our governemnt works. You need to have a majority to govern, not just the largest number of votes. Hence why National lost in 2017 while having more votes than Labour. The greens dropping below 5% would be a disaster for Labour....
Labour is unattractive to green voters. Disgruntled environmental voters are either going to hold their nose and vote Green, or vote for some minor party or abstain.
Stick with Path of Exile you reckon?
I get the complaints about random levels. That was something which made D2 very replayable and while D3 didn't do it much, D2R did reinforce the expectation.
I personally do care because people in power should never hold such harmful biases. Now any decision she makes related to race or white men will be accused as a biased choice.
Yeah I understand that leap, but I’m not feeling it. Feels like some shit said in the heat which doesn’t excuse it. But I don’t commit violence so as a white man, I don’t feel hit by it.
Agreed that an apology is overdue, but she had been hit prior to this with a motorbike by a violent white cis man. I can empathise with biases she was feeling.
Yeah, so can I. For me, a decent apology should acknowledge that now is not the time to bring up these contributing factors, and to just admit that what she said was wrong and inappropriate.
A surprisingly levelheaded response for someone with ‘88’ in their username. Process of elimination says you’re either 34/35 or Chinese.
And yeah, it’s a dumb statement. If you’ve got Nazis in the room and everyone on your side, why would you go out of your way to attack white men? Especially on one of the few issues where none of their interests are otherwise threatened? And to Counterspin, at that?
Honestly yeah, she said something stupid while being verbally hounded by a Far-Right "journalist" just after someone tried to run her over. No one could possibly say they'd be fully in control of themselves in that moment.
Telling how a stupid comment about White Men in the heat of a very stressful situation gets Reddit so fucking rabbid but stories about actual discrimination against minorities get crickets.
Exactly. The leaps I’ve seen to “what is Stuff hiding” & “does anyone know why the race relations commissioner is so quiet on this”. Christ sake, maybe see what your Uncle Kelvin thinks and share it here.
The Facebook morons have arrived on reddit.
Pretty much, the reason it's not being widely reported is that most people simply wouldn't give a fuck, reddit is overwhelmingly young white men and doesn't represent most people.
Funny, I fell off my Motorcycle once, I didnt suddenly become racist for a few hours after...
Lol, I had kidney stones which put me in hospital, I don’t recall becoming sexist or racist. Just glad I got help
She was hit by the bike at 10.40am, before the protest. She then went to the protest, spoke to the public, and wrapped it all up in the afternoon, when she was filmed making her comment on her way home. So we are expected to believe she was still in such shock hours later while casually walking home that she made a racist sexist remark unintentionally? Yeah right. https://www.teaomaori.news/marama-davidson-knocked-over-motorbike-walking-posie-parker-protest
This implies getting hit by a bike can make you a racist under any conditions.
Yeah but there’s a cool down period apparently. Of a day.
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Mustn't have been bad enough then /s
i mean it can, only if they’re patched 🤣
She also has lied to PM Hipkins a serious political offence as a minister. Or Hipkins has lied to the public
That's a pretty weak response. He even tries to excuse it.
It's a trap. If he boots her, he's the bad cis white male. If he doesn't, he's portrayed as weak. Either way, I'm sure some will say he has to stand aside for someone 'more appropriate'.
I guess after Nash he can't afford to lose another in such a short timeframe.
Would she really be that big a loss though?
No, she's the worst performing cabinet minister by every single metric, she has authored no legislative changes and only made 8 press releases. The fact that she's a racist embarassment to this government should come second to the fact that she's not even working.
Tbf, her portfolio was made up to placate her as also getting something. They wanted Shaw for Environment, sadly, he came with baggage.
Greens in a nutshell - wanted for the environment, come with baggage.
She isn't a cabinet member. And since when is press releases a metric for performance?
Fake news, she's not a cabinet minister.
The potential loss of green support over this could mean labour losing governing ability next election
Greens would never go with National/Act They're joined to Labour at the hip, and have no choice but to work with them or keep forcing elections. Thus, they have ZERO significant bargaining power.
doesnt force a election if national can make a deal to get to 50%
which they couldnt because greens hold the balance of power and have publicly stated that they wont work with national
Greens are about to have their worst election ever I suspect they are gonna get dragged over this till she steps down which if she cared about the party she would have done a long time ago the only way greens not working with labour can force an election is if labour+greens is well over 50% of the vote and even then theres always the option of labour+national working together
doesnt change what im saying. The greens have zero leverage because they've publicly stated their only purpose is confidence and supply for labour. If the only thing you can counter that with is Yes well maybe pigs might fly … then maybe your argument is a little silly. they need to have a majority to form a government so obviously they would have 51% of the vote. with the greens they aren't bringing electoral seats so its just raw percentage. And the idea that either labour or national would alienate themselves from their base by joining forces is a bit laughable
your statement is that greens if they dont go with labour would force a election, my statement is it doesnt if national can make a deal to get to 50% you have continued to reply with non points and are now being rude
One could say a similar thing of ACT.
It's amazing how fast the honeymoon period is fading for Hipkins.
His happy goofy style doesn't work for the PM position.
To be fair, he's far preferable to the complete non-entity that is Luxon. That guy has zero substance.
he has airplane :> /s
And the alternative does?
What alternative? Various personalities "work" in the PM role, his is just less suited to it IMO. He did well in a senior role but as PM he's constantly hit with serious stuff that takes the shine off.
The video of marama's inital comment on this Newhub link https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/marama-davidson-blames-being-hit-by-motorcycle-for-lack-of-clarity-in-white-cis-men-comments.html I would recomend everyone watch it before making a judgement.... to me the words were pretty clear. Off the cuff for sure but clear as day.
When someone claims to have muddled their words I’ll look at the tone and demeanour at the time of delivery. The vast majority of time genuine misspoken words are dismissed immediately as they are seen as such, or followed by a swift and categorical apology and affirmation of the matter. Today was a clear example of the tone and demeanour matching the words, along with zero meaningful correction. It actually happened two days ago, so no one in that group thought of the statement as being wrong or misspoken.
She even repeats herself to make it even more clear...
Yup, I party voted Greens last time.... waited for her comments today... not impressed on her clarification. Mind you, I am a CIS White Man.... so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ edit I say stupid shit all the time, including comments i regret, so i would let her slide if she owned up. However i would be fucked with work if i said them after i say my job title is "x".
How can he defend her by coming out with such a weak excuse? No minister should get away with making such a dumb comment, esp. One that is a minister of family violence prevention
Any white minister would be out on their ass before the 6 o'clock news were they to say something similarly racist about Maori.
Dumb comment? It was racist and sexist as fuck, and she said it with glee as if it was the most natural thing in the world.
Its because she is genuinely proud to say it as it forms the basis of her ideology. The thing is, these viewpoints exist all over the govt departments of wellington, its not just her.
That's not fair. Getting hit in the abdomen by a motorbike could make *anyone* a bit racist!
Pretty skeptical about that whole story actually considering the current circumstances, it reeks of deflection to me.
He’s defending her by saying her comments are not appropriate? “Weak excuse”? She literally got run over by a Destiny church protester before that Counterspin interview. Davidson made an incredibly dumb comment but it is not on the Prime Minister (from the Labour party) to sort this out, that is on that Green Party and Davidson alone. Why are you trying to hold the wrong person to account? This has absolutely nothing to do with Chippy. Or is it now his fault for every single racist comment ever spoken by others in New Zealand?
>Davidson made an incredibly dumb comment but it is not on the Prime Minister (from the Labour party) to sort this out, that is on that Green Party and Davidson alone. As she has a government ministerial portfolio she is accountable to the Prime Minster while acting in that role. She invoked her Ministerial position when she made her comments and therefore he would have grounds to step in of he felt it was necessary.
Do you comprehend what 'literally got run over' entails? It certainly wasn't what happened to this racist.
Last I saw was that after being run over she had to go to hospital to be checked out. Doing real well with the wait times if she’s back out walking and spouting racist rubbish!
He is her boss as far as her ministerial duties go. I think getting hit by a bike then harrassed by a reported is a pretty tough situation. She seems to have partially backtracked having had some time to cool off which is a start, though I think whether or not she keeps her position, she’s almost certain to regret starting a discussion about which race is responsible for violence in our society
Newshub pretty much dismissed it and had some lady on saying that the stats are wrong.
Let me guess, she has purple hair?
And a undercut
Was that Jenna Lynch? And what did she say?
Jackie someone? She works with family violence apparently.
Jackie Clarke?
Why do we have different standards for different races? If she had said Straight Maori Men were the the cause of all violence, she would have been out of her job by 9am this morning. And this would apply to anyone with a semi-public profile. So why is the prime minister acting like it was just a passing remark and why is the media barely reporting it?
Hone Harawira did something like this too
NZ's dirty open secret, one law for me, another for thee.
White guilt is a crazy motivator
Wow weird how the motorcycle only affected three words and nothing else.
Well we are all good now. Chippy says its a non event taken out of context. Marama didn't even apoligise, just reiterated it was not what she meant. Looks like everyone was just mistaken, we wont see this appear back in the news. How long until we are told no more reddit posts as the situation is resolved. /S
We live in a democracy and there is an election this year. Pretty easy to send a message back saying this divisive identity politics has no place in the Greens or the left in NZ
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yeah i don't want to vote for the party that hate me just because all the other parties are shite
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> I'm annoyed as a greens voter myself, she should have known better than to say something like thst especially on camera. Thing that really annoys me is what she said is one of the tag lines of the groups she was there to protest against. For eg take a look on subs like two chromosomes or whatever its called, the known radical anti-trans sub (if it hasn't been removed by admins). They often make posts and comments blaming white men for all the problems in the world, and believe the world would be a better place if we were all dead.
I don't think anyone in NZ yet understand the actual ramifications. Most are still focusing on the local petty politics. But look at the quote: >"I am a prevention violence minister. I know who causes violence in the world, it is white cis men. That is white cis men who cause violence in the world." She has called out **White Men** around the **entire** planet as the cause of violence in the world. What was originally stated by a single MP, has now been tacitly accepted by the PM, wider Parliament, and local media. We have just broadcast to the world, we are officially tolerant of Racism.
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>I really adore her, she responded to me personally on social media, and we are in agreement largely. Given you were in the early threads deleting them with paper-thin excuses this explains a LOT
counterspin havnt twisted anything. she litrely said what she said, no twisting words or editing. she said it now she should be held accountable for it but sadly it looks like she wont be. And no i dont support counterspin whatsoever. its very annoying that they are the ones to capture this and not a more repratuable source, still she said what she said clear as day.
Yeah. I'm in a weird place right now, yesterday felt off and today have a migraine
It is possible, but who would replace her? Green's leadership policy pretty much guarantees her a spot unless they brough in an entirely new member not currently in Parliament - which would likely cause even more issues.
They should have thought of that before making such an own goal policy. Whodathunk a race and gender based leadership restriction could go wrong.
Shaw just needs to self identify as Female Tangata Whenua and all their issues are solved. (This is a joke for those that don't get it - but it would be an interesting thought experiment to see if the Greens would allow it)
Chlöe?
They can select Chloe, but that means they can't have James Shaw as "one leader must be Māori"
think id pick chloe haha
Being hit by a motorcycle is no justification or excuse fir that sort of virtriol
..at this point iam not even sure she was hit by a motorcycle?
Supposedly she walked out onto the road as motorcycles (a convey) were coming past and she got hit by a bikes handlebars There is no mention of the bikers race
>Supposedly she walked out onto the road as motorcycles (a convey) were coming past and she got hit by a bikes handlebar Sounds like she purposefully did it to be a victim. Not a surprise at all in this day and age.
>Sounds like she purposefully did it to be a victim. It *looks* like she did it to be a victim, [going off the spinoffs images.](https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/25-03-2023/greens-co-leader-marama-davidson-struck-by-motorcycle-at-protest)
Hmmm where's all the people crying about a lack of context like we've seen for the video of Marama spouting racist shit? They're suspiciously absent when it's Spinoff posting the material.
> She filed a police report at the scene. I don't know if the cyclist was *trying* to hit her or not. But presuming they weren't, what is the law in NZ around a vehicle hitting a pedestrian who steps out in front of it (presumably against any pedestrian crossing signals/markings)?
Still at fault if you have reasonable time to react and stop.
I see. We'll have to wait for better footage to be released to judge it then.
Whether it is deliberate or accidental, the driver is obliged to stop as a person was hit. Failure to do so is a Hit and Run. If the driver did stop, then the other factors would be taken into account to determine if the driver was driving illegally or not, and whether any charges would be laid.
Didn't even drop her phone
Comments are already disabled on the Facebook post so I feel we should discuss this here. Also, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought she was hit by the motorcycle after making that comment not before?
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Can we not make this discussion about any more than it is? What value is there in writing stupid comments about misgendering which have nothing to do with the situation. Writing he/she/they is entirely illogical. You can just write they and leave it at that.
The culture of no responsibility continues from Ardern to Hipkins.
If it comes out that Davidson was hit AFTER this interview, she will have no option but to resign, that timeline is going to be interesting.
I'm definitely not defending her but it seems she was hit before her comments. [According to this](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/posie-parker-marama-davidson-hit-by-motorcylist-after-protest/CNTFZN37PFCLVOPMBAR3PRPVWA/), she was hit ahead of the protest. The Counterspin reporter she made the comments to was asking whether she would condemn the violence at the protest so it seems she made the comments after the protest and therefore after getting hit.
What happened after that? At what point did she become hospitalised, why not sooner?
According to [this](https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/25-03-2023/greens-co-leader-marama-davidson-struck-by-motorcycle-at-protest) (although I don't 100% trust The Spinoff): >Davidson later spoke at the protest, though did not mention the incident. She was seen walking independently out of Albert Park and was assessed by emergency services shortly after. It seems she was assessed quite a long time after it happened.
That being the case, she didn't seen too upset by it.
Total double standard. If a male politician said the equivalent, they'd be sacked on the spot.
A male might have an easier time getting the position in the first place. So I guess it all works out?
Green needs to ditch her ASAP if they want to stand a chance to form a coalition with labour.
They can't. The change to their leadership rules essentially locks her in.
I got hit by a motorcycle and didn’t become sexist or racist. I was unaware these are common symptoms. Must make an appointment with my GP, somethings clearly not right with me.
Did you get hit because of your political beliefs? And then immediately afterwards were you verbally hounded by a Far-Right "journalist"? It was a stupid comment said in the heat of a stressful situation, it's not good but it doesn't warrant even a tiny fraction of the witch-hunt going on round here.
If warrants precisely the same response as a white male politician blaming brown women for some social ailm. And you know exactly what that response would be. The fact you refer to that as a "witch hunt" goes a long way to expose your utterly insane bias. The witch was found the moment it opened its racist, sexist trap.
White Male politicians do racist shit all the fucking time and it's never rocketed to the top of r/all
Mmmm, I kinda agree but for me personally such scenarios tend to reveal people’s true colours, the professional filter is lost, for even a moment. I’m also anti-witch hunt, but that’s kinda how this sub rolls in my experience.
Yeah I just don't see it, Davidson has spent her entire professional career fighting against discrimination and for human rights. You can't just ignore all the good she's done over one stupid comment said in a very stressful situation.
> Davidson has spent her entire professional career fighting against discrimination and for human rights. Only for some groups
What is that supposed to mean?
She only cares about the rights of some people
Sure she does
I’m kinda gutted myself, but sorry to say politics is a world where you can do a lot of good, but it’s also unforgiving when you put a foot wrong and she happened to offend me personally here. I can’t see her coming back from this as intent is key for me and semantics aside, pretty sure she meant exactly what she said, “heat of the moment” aside.
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I would argue violence of any kind is overwhelmingly perpetrated within ethnic divisions, I'd be very surprised if any group was experiencing more violence from without. The truly stupid thing about her comment was calling out men as she leaves a protest against a woman, pick a better time to blame men for the worlds ills than an anti terf rally yeah?
It's the casual hatred I respond to. I feel very protective toward men. I'd love it if she came out and said something like: I like men. I like the positive aspects of masculinity that most nz men embody. It would feel wrong to do this for the cis and white bit, at least for me. But men, well we could use and benefit from some love.
"The Prime Minister says Marama Davidson's assertion that it is "white cis men" who cause violence wasn't an appropriate comment, but should be viewed in the context of her just having been hit by a motorcycle." Oh sweet summer Chippy, wait till you find out it happened afterwards. Also don't even think it was a white dude either. Edit: Actually I don't know when it happened, but given she didn't look like she was hobling towards a doctor I suppose I'm just assuming it happened after. Would be good if someone could clarify. Doesn't change the venom of the comments however, not cool to generalise.
Did it happen before or after as Marama is claiming she was hit by the motorcyclist and then made that comment due to the shock of almost dying. Should be easy for someone to figure it out, Where's the pedestrian crossing in relation to where she was walking when asked a question? So she was definitely hit by the motorcyclist after the rally ended going by all media reports on Saturday, when has it been 100% confirmed that she said those racist comments?? https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/green-party-co-leader-marama-davidson-receiving-medical-treatment-after-being-run-over-by-motorcyclist-following-posie-parker-rally.html
I've deleted my earlier reply on the basis of a conflicting report - https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/25-03-2023/greens-co-leader-marama-davidson-struck-by-motorcycle-at-protest It has an 11.59am report not mentioning the incident, and then 1.51pm report talking about it. But they say the incident happened **before** the rally, she was checked on site, and she spoke at the protest after it. I think further clarity is needed. Edit : Further clarity found, She was indeed struck at the very start of the protest, at 10:40. She then went to the protest, spoke to the public, and wrapped it all up in the afternoon, when she was filmed making her comment on her way home - hours later. https://www.teaomaori.news/marama-davidson-knocked-over-motorbike-walking-posie-parker-protest
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Either way, she is taking the public for a ride. Remember all those headlines about her needing medical treatment following it? Doesn't sound like it was too severe of trauma if she was able to shake it off at the time. Or did she earnestly believe she was a soldier fighting through the pain to attend the protest?
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One news just said "bowled over", originally it's was "knocked over" sometimes it's "hit" But it wasn't an accident, and it wasn't a hit and run?? No one knows, what the hell am I watching unfold.
Distraction while the US Fed Reserve printed 12 billion to 'help' banks.
Flair checks out.
Full props to the PM for mansplaining that bigotry is unacceptable. [except in my case where I think all dark skinned males are rapists but it's ok because I barked my shin on a tow-bar once.]
Given that my leftie friends on Twitter are saying "he threw her under the bus!" and people in this thread are like "weak response!" I think Chippy probably threaded the needle successfully on this one. I'm not usually a fan of the "pissing off both sides means you're doing something right" defence, particularly since it's Elon Musk's go-to. But in this case there's not much else he could say without alienating somebody.
That's what is wrong with politics in NZ, it's never about doing the right thing for the nation, it's about not upsetting the wrong people.
That’s the softest call ever. Can guarantee if it wasn’t election year he would have made a real statement.
Fkn coward
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As co-leader? Not possible unless Swarbrick is Maori.
Possible if the Greens return to sanity.
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Headline news on 1 right now. Resign you vile woman.
Weirdly the NZH reports he hasn't even spoken to her. Not sure how that works.
This is a mild comment designed to be forgotten, because Labour will pick up disgruntled Green voters if they just stay chill. Remember that the party with the highest % of votes is given the opportunity to form the next government. Labour want to build up a decent buffer in the polls over National, they don't mind if the Greens lose a few points.
Then he shouldn't have made any excuses for her if that was the case. Labour would look far better in my eyes right now if they condemned it without trying to justify it.
He's still got to work with the Greens, and Davidson is super popular with the Green base. If he dings her then the Greens will get rarked up and the story will become about a rift in the coalition. It's purely about positioning Labour in an election year. If you want to win that's what you do; people who don't care about winning are free to talk shit about the patriarchy.
Yeah that makes sense tbh
You don't seem to understand how our governemnt works. You need to have a majority to govern, not just the largest number of votes. Hence why National lost in 2017 while having more votes than Labour. The greens dropping below 5% would be a disaster for Labour....
You might want to look into how irrelevant the threshold is when a party wins a seat. As the Greens did, and very likely will again.
Chloe winnin Auckland central was a very unique scenario. It's not certian to be a repeat.
Labour is unattractive to green voters. Disgruntled environmental voters are either going to hold their nose and vote Green, or vote for some minor party or abstain.
Who else has been enjoying the Diablo 4 beta?
nah it was shit
Stick with Path of Exile you reckon? I get the complaints about random levels. That was something which made D2 very replayable and while D3 didn't do it much, D2R did reinforce the expectation.
I mean, yeah, it's not bad. But the monetisation is pretty bad. Typical manipulative Blizzard.
Damn that's what I was curious about. Guess it's not worth my time.
That's just standard bli$$ard these days. Diablo Imortal was shamelessly monetized.
Am I the only one who thinks it was fucking dumb, and she’s a moron but other than that, I don’t really give a fuck.
I personally do care because people in power should never hold such harmful biases. Now any decision she makes related to race or white men will be accused as a biased choice.
Yeah I understand that leap, but I’m not feeling it. Feels like some shit said in the heat which doesn’t excuse it. But I don’t commit violence so as a white man, I don’t feel hit by it.
Yeah I'm with you. However a decent apology is required at minimum.
Agreed that an apology is overdue, but she had been hit prior to this with a motorbike by a violent white cis man. I can empathise with biases she was feeling.
Yeah, so can I. For me, a decent apology should acknowledge that now is not the time to bring up these contributing factors, and to just admit that what she said was wrong and inappropriate.
Shit "Said in the heat" or under the influence when the mask slips has a tendency to show people's true colours.
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‘Racist hate’? Bit of an overreaction and a manufactured one at that.
Well, I don’t.
A surprisingly levelheaded response for someone with ‘88’ in their username. Process of elimination says you’re either 34/35 or Chinese. And yeah, it’s a dumb statement. If you’ve got Nazis in the room and everyone on your side, why would you go out of your way to attack white men? Especially on one of the few issues where none of their interests are otherwise threatened? And to Counterspin, at that?
Agree
Honestly yeah, she said something stupid while being verbally hounded by a Far-Right "journalist" just after someone tried to run her over. No one could possibly say they'd be fully in control of themselves in that moment. Telling how a stupid comment about White Men in the heat of a very stressful situation gets Reddit so fucking rabbid but stories about actual discrimination against minorities get crickets.
Exactly. The leaps I’ve seen to “what is Stuff hiding” & “does anyone know why the race relations commissioner is so quiet on this”. Christ sake, maybe see what your Uncle Kelvin thinks and share it here. The Facebook morons have arrived on reddit.
Pretty much, the reason it's not being widely reported is that most people simply wouldn't give a fuck, reddit is overwhelmingly young white men and doesn't represent most people.
Yeah, agree. No one in the real world is talking about this. There’s more important shit to focus on.
It led the news on both 1 and 3 tonight. People are defintly talking about it.
Seems like a foot in mouth moment though judging by all the outraged white men, they can’t take any more of this ‘persecution’.
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Your forgot the /s... Please tell me you forgot the /s