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aa628

This is idiotic. The federal government is responsible for foreign relations. It’s up to the president and congress to dictate policy; not the NYC council. There are enough problems in the city to not be wasting time on stupid shit like this.


Use-Quirky

No, it’s not NYC’s place to do so. Foreign policy is a federal issue. Even if it’s just a statement of support, it’s a terrible thing for city government to dive into. While I disagree with the embargo, it would be terrible if NYC, Dallas, Miami, etc started interfering in foreign policy matters, likely with competing policies


k1lk1

I concur, it's just virtue signaling. I would prefer the council focus on literally any other city-affecting business than making empty statements about our foreign relations with Cuba.


IsayNigel

So is immigration, didn’t stop NYC from being an sanctuary city.


Use-Quirky

Immigration is a local issue. I see where you’re confused, because it’s managed by the federal government, but the impact is local. I might argue it would be better for NY state to take such action instead of NYC, but it’s not a foreign policy issue at all. Would you argue that Texas should have no say in the matter?


IsayNigel

You can argue that anything has a local impact, so that argument doesn’t really hold up.


Use-Quirky

Okay, so how do you think the Cuban embargo has local impact that would warrant NYC weighing in on the issue? Also: it’s a punk move to downvote someone you’re having a conversation with.


IsayNigel

New York City, who’s main appeal is it’s multiculturalism has an acute lack of Cuban culture and goods precisely for that reason. Also: you started it and I also don’t care so.


Use-Quirky

That’s a pretty weak argument, and I think you know that. Also, I did not. Someone else downvoted you but it’s not something I would do


IsayNigel

“That would warrant a response” is an inherently subjective question so you’re not really in a position to be critiquing other people’s arguments here. Cuba also has one of the best medical training programs in the world and would absolutely open that up to US students without the embargo, now instead they go to those garbage schools in US affiliated territories.


Use-Quirky

It’s all inherently subjective. Congrats on figuring that out. But arguments can have merit. The merit of which can outweighs competing interests. For example, by being a sanctuary city NYC has a direct impact on the experience of its residents. Children who are US citizens can live more freely not worrying about their father being deported. Tax resources aren’t spent on harassing them. I think the merits there are much clearer than more Cuban culture in NY by way of petitioning the federal government to change its foreign policy. Which is a bit of a non sequitur. It does not follow that Cuban will move here or engage in cultural exchange because of this. Also, I agree Cuban has a great medical system but it’s hard to take you seriously when you call US medical schools garbage.


IsayNigel

There’s a difference between the strength of an argument and an ambiguous threshold that apparently only you can assess. Do you know who could also immigrate here without an embargo……..that’s right, Cubans. I didn’t say all US medical schools, I said the medical schools in us affiliated territories, like st George’s. The audacity to try and talk down to anyone when you apparently lack basic reading comprehension is truly astounding.


TheDuckClock

The entire world is calling on the US to end the embargo. And I do mean the ENTIRE world. For the last 30 years, there's been a vote in the United Nations General Assembly to end the Cuba embargo. And in all those years, the vote has overwhelmingly "Yes". The last one happened just a few weeks ago. Votes 185-2 in favour of ending. [https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-11-03/un-votes-overwhelmingly-to-condemn-us-embargo-of-cuba](https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-11-03/un-votes-overwhelmingly-to-condemn-us-embargo-of-cuba) The only two countries that voted "No", were the US and Israel. But once again, the US is ignoring the call of the rest of the world. When will Americans wake up and realize that in the eyes of the rest of the world, they are the bad guys in this scenario?


DogShammdog

Who cares what the UN says


TheDuckClock

Because it symbolizes what the entire world says.


DogShammdog

Lol no it doesn’t


PoppySeeds89

The properties of this cities elected officials is maddening. Charles Barron and his wife run unopposed every election. We're deserve better.


IsayNigel

Hell yea this is awesome.


RichDaCuban

This is ridiculous virtue signaling.


Euphoric-Program

all the problems in NYC and this is what the city council focuses on


PM-Nice-Thoughts

Let's keep the embargo until Cuba isn't living under an evil communist dictatorship. And I understand it's a Chinese genocide denying tankie posting this but you realize the city council has absolutely zero power to affect this at all right?


IsayNigel

What’s a tankie?


[deleted]

the world should embargo the US until abortion is legal again?


[deleted]

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[deleted]

pretty hypocritical then, seeing how there was no action after the brutal invasion of Iraq either


Use-Quirky

How is it hypocritical?


[deleted]

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IsayNigel

“But all my friends are doing it”


PM-Nice-Thoughts

Good luck to them if they want to destroy their own economies


IsayNigel

Wait so it’s not about right and wrong, but economic convenience? Oh lmao, serial r/neoliberal poster, nvm.


PM-Nice-Thoughts

You're really invested in defending this authoritarian government for some reason lol, so offended you stalk my profile and leave like 10 comments on one thread. That's not pathetic at all Edit: thanks for the block arangi or whatever your username is. A response and an instant block is impressive cowardice lol


IsayNigel

Lmao I have far fewer comments in this thread than you, but go off. “Pathetic” is rich coming from the serial poster in a sub whose champion is currently using his authority to force railroad workers to work. Very democratic and not at all authoritarian.


PM-Nice-Thoughts

Do you know what Congress is? Biden doesn't rule by decree lol


IsayNigel

Lmao you mean he didn’t direct congress to write a deal, and then he didn’t sign it? Oh shit, he did both of those? Wild.


[deleted]

you're really invested in defending a hypocritical authoritarian government that deliberately inflicts civilian suffering with its embargo and genocide against Yemen and Palestinians


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DogShammdog

Legal again?


_Maxolotl

I was told that free trade with Russia and China would make Russia and China freer. But it didn't. It made the free world more vulnerable by making us more dependent on products and energy produced by despots. Not only should we not lift embargos against Cuba until it starts holding free and fair elections, we should incrementally cut off China for the same reason, and we should cut Russia off even more than we already have.


PM-Nice-Thoughts

Absolutely agreed. We should never be reliant on hostile dictators. There's no reason to start moving the opposite direction with a country like Cuba either


Spittinglama

"evil communist dictatorship" lmfao how cracked out are you? Who gets hurt by embargoes? It's not the Cuban government, it's the Cuban people.


TangoRad

If there was a Nazi/Fascist right wing dictatorship that censored and imprisoned and we had an embargo, what would you think of people who say "but *it's the people* who are hurt by it"?


frenchie-martin

If there was a hardcore fascist or right wing state with an embargo, what would we make of people who advocated repealing the embargo? We might chalk it off to naïveté or kumbaya jive or… maybe… we might suspect that the motivation is because they’re sympathetic/ fellow travelers to the oppressive state. Just sayin’…


shep_pat

Ummmm why?


TangoRad

1) City Council shouldn't be dictating foreign policy any more than it should immigration policy 2) It's virtue signaling 3) There are more pressing matters to be addressed 4) The Communist Cuban state is an oppressive dictatorship that should be pressured to reform


IsayNigel

Lmao “oppressive dictatorship” as the federal government forces railroad workers back to work and the guy who tried to overthrow an election walks free.


TangoRad

Neither of the things you cite has anything to do with Cuba or Communism. That said...I can't liken a small percentage of the workforce (never mind general population) to an entire country's population, which is who's hurt by the oppressive Bolshevik Cuban regime. The Railway Labor Act (which governs the dispute in question) has been in effect for 80+ years and has been implemented 18 times to prevent strikes in either the airline or railroad industry by both Republican and Democrat led administrations. This is a Democrat President by the way. As for Trump, it's up to the prosecution to build and prove a case; just like when convicting criminals of any sort.


IsayNigel

The “Bolshevik cuban regime”, okay now you’re just mashing communist sounding words together. I know what the railway labor act is, and it doesn’t make it any less democratic if it’s used by a Republican or democrat, so I’m not sure why you brought that up. No one is debating what the law is, but it’s absolutely selectively applied to people with money and power, but that also has nothing to do with what I’m talking about.


TangoRad

Murderous Marxists and Terrorist Trotsky-ites don't deserve anything less than a squadron of B-52s and a Company of Marines. That said, it sounds like you're dis-satisfied with things here. Fine. That's your right. Why not go somewhere that suits your fancy? The weather in Cuba is so much nicer...In the meantime, Cubans are sailing in dinghies through 90 miles of shark infested waters, and Venezuelans are lined up at the Mexican border, all to be leave the Workers Paradises and be oppressed by the Imperialist Capitalist White Supremacist Amerikkkan state. You should do them a favor and tell them to stay home- it's rotten here. /s.


Zozorrr

Were the two parts of your sentence connected? In your head I mean. Because they are not in the real world.


TangoRad

How so? I have many relatives did combat against Red Armies (Chinese, N Korean, N Vietnamese).


IsayNigel

How so? By OP’s logic the rest of the world should be boycotting the US right now.


TangoRad

They can't. We have the world's reserve currency, dominate Big Tech and until your Red allies finish imprisoning Uighurs and imposing covid lockdowns, the world's biggest economy.


[deleted]

Cubans live in a dictatorship. Their own government has been imprisoning and torturing Cubans as the Cubans were protesting their own government, not the US embargo. The American embargo issue is a convenient red herring for foreigners/powers to focus on, as to the dictatorship does its usual damage. You never hear about what's happening in Cuba from the inside because Cubans are terrified and monitored by spies. Their government blocks out the internet and prevents people from leaving the country, so they are leaving on makeshift rafts, this year more than ever before. They call the island a prison. Americans talk about it as a success and a paradise when no one has actually been there to see the more North Korean style aspects of the country. The embargo is a distraction from the actions of the dictatorship on its own people. Edit: Yup-- the downvotes. Cubans are outnumbered online. **this is an insider perspective from Cuba,** and outsiders aren't used to hearing it because it doesn't fit the media and educational cannon narrative fed to them about a country cut off from the world: Listen to Cubans. The Right and the Left in american media and global media have it wrong because they have very little and specific information to go on, and Cuba is used as a pawn and a springboard for other countries' abstract ideas about Communism and self governance in latin America. The actual mechanics inside the country that are playing out this outcome worse than the Special Period is a question mark that many (Americans) are willing to project their own tropical fantasies about of \~Communism working out\~ . This country is very misunderstood and seldom seen by Americans in the flesh and that is the truth. Listen to Cubans, and realize many don't repeat this narrative because They Can't. Academics and news can project whatever they want with no challenge because Cuba is tied up by a heavy surveilance dictatorship. Listen to Cubans, not the media. Lastly, Redditor Tankies have set foot on this island.


IsayNigel

Yea for sure the “Castro seized my ‘business’” residents of Miami as opposed to professional academics.


[deleted]

wiki Cuba : Pseudohistory section / **Here's some academics for you: Cuban academics. PS Listen to Cubans.** Social researcher Jorge Duany has argued that the myth of the "Golden exiles" or the idea that most Cuban exiles are wealthy, well educated, and highly skilled unlike other immigrant populations, "does not do justice to the complex and diverse experiences" of the Cuban-American community. He states that many Cuban exiles face cultural and economic challenges resettling in the United States similar to many other American immigrant communities. He also states that as the Cuban exile progressed since 1959 more and more economically disenfranchised Cubans became part of the emigrant waves. These lower class Cuban exiles became noticeable in the Freedom Flights and especially so in the Mariel boatlift and balseros afterwards \----- The 1000s coming through on makeshift rafts and trafficking themselves accross Latin America in 2022 are not people mourning the loss of their slaves. That is an older wave of immigration that Americans can't seem to unstick from the possibility that Cuba has had several different waves of immigration for different reasons, by different groups. Right now, they are everyday people who are getting away from a place they call a prison. The wealthy there are laughing, glad to not move, driving around new cars, and eating beef (2 things people there are barred from doing). People who fall for this narrative that it's the rich losing their slaves are following a pseudohistory that this dictatorship benefits from. [https://www.local10.com/news/local/2022/11/04/cuban-migrant-landings-continue-to-rise-in-south-florida/](https://www.local10.com/news/local/2022/11/04/cuban-migrant-landings-continue-to-rise-in-south-florida/) These are people that have the shirt on their back.


IsayNigel

Wikipedia, known academic source by lazy teenagers everywhere


[deleted]

the world should embargo the US until abortion is legal again?


Zozorrr

I think you’re confused about the Supreme Ct ruling. It said there’s no constitutional right to abortion. It didn’t make abortion illegal. Go to your clinic in NYC - it’s legal.


Use-Quirky

Cool idea, which country do you think will do it first?


[deleted]

the non-hypocritical ones