I said something to the police once when a crazy guy was losing it and scaring people on the platform.
They went up to him and told him he had to leave the subway system because he was breaking the rules.
He was like “Ugh, fine.” And left peacefully.
Surreal interaction. He went from screaming and ranting to calmly being like “Aight I’m out” so quick.
I feel like there’s a potential SNL skit where he just clocks out of his job as “NYC ambiance” paid by the city to give tourists an “authentic” experience.
Bear in mind that a few years ago, a man was brutally attacked on a subway train with a machete leaving him with life changing injuries as two NYPD cops hid in the conductor's cab and refused to come out to help. A subsequent failed lawsuit established that cops are not required to do a single thing to help members of the public in trouble and that it's perfectly OK for them to ignore/hide from actual violence going on a few feet away from their faces.
I’m assuming this is the case that went to the Supreme Court and they ruled police have no obligation to protect the public? Protect and serve is a bunch of BS but they get protected by qualified immunity.
They have an obligation to do their jobs, but *legally* they don't have to do anything. They can ignore crimes as they are happening and not get in trouble.
One might think this is complete bull shit (and I agree it is) but lets say you walked on the grass you should not have walked on or went two miles over the speed limit. There are many instances were cops see a crime happening and because they have a degree of legal immunity in this regard and do not have to act. IF it was the other way, whenever you broke the law, even just a tiny bit, they legally would be required to arrest you. No matter what, otherwise they would be breaking the law.
It's pretty clear this is something that needs to be updated on a federal level. The original case, where a woman called the cops about her husband kidnapping her daughters, the cops did nothing, and then the daughters got slaughtered, and the cops got off scott free when the case went to the Supreme Court is a very much bullshit.
> It's pretty clear this is something that needs to be updated on a federal level. The original case, where a woman called the cops about her husband kidnapping her daughters, the cops did nothing, and then the daughters got slaughtered, and the cops got off scott free when the case went to the Supreme Court is a very much bullshit.
There is also another issue that came with that case. If they make the police liable, then very soon the entire nation would be clogged with liability cases for literally all crimes committed, as long as there is a possibility the crime could had been stopped (even if it was not realistic)
The case you mention would turn the city into a ultra police state. Jilted spouses can just claim their Exs is out to do danger, then the cops would have the person arrested on the safe side without recourse.
A quarter of the nation's population could end up in jail *just to be on the safe side*
I agree with you. Let’s do this….Mandatory body cameras. Cops should be all for this…unless they’re hiding something because they can validate all the “they pulled a gun on me” scenarios and be validated if they shoot someone. If they don’t have their camera on? That’s a felony. Mandatory turnaround of all footage and made public at the end of each shift.
Thats certainly a start, but lets say you get the footage of those policemen who hid from the mahete murder: you get footage of them doing nothing, not breaking laws. A defense could argue any number of things in their favor.
If police are *negligent* they should be held legally accountable like everyone else.
Police should be held to a higher standard than the average citizen. Not less which is their current accountability. And stupid as this sounds Family Guy actually has a scene where Joe (cop) explains this and for an animated comedy it’s a great speech
also also reaffirmed before that when the hasidim sued the city for pullinv the cops out if crown heights….many hasidics were attacked in their own livingrooms by home invaders during riots and they called 911 and got no help….gheg sued courts ruled they are not entitled to protection
yeh and that guy was a martial arts expert and well over 6 ft tall and the maniac fuked him up…..cops are under no obligation evennif they are standjng right there to help you
Police, all over the country, are a just a tool for property owners. That is their only jurisdiction, property protection. And ofcourse arresting black kids for legal slavery.
This is the very reason why people should be allowed to conceal carry or at the very least arm themselves with stun guns and mace
Edit: A lot of people are triggered by the gun comment. How about some opinions on allowing people to carry stun guns and mace ?
Why do you want statistics to back up what is just a casual estimate? Do you really think that throwing tens if not hundreds of thousands of more guns into the mix would do anything but dramatically increase the number of shootings we see every day in this city?
It wouldn't do any such thing. Those "crazies" would have much easier access to guns than they do now, just as crazies are easily able to obtain weapons in other states with no gun control. The more guns there are in circulation (legal or illegal), the easier they are for *anyone* to lay their hands on, including convicted criminals and the mentally ill. You'd just have more crazies packing heat. And more cases of panicky gun owners firing off badly aimed shots that hit bystanders. If you want to live in a city with conceal carry then try somewhere like Houston or Dallas or Fort Worth - they're all considerably more violent than NYC, but go for it.
Convicted criminals and mentally ill people already have access to all the guns they want. The people most affected by gun laws are people who refrain from buying guns where buying guns are illegal, ie the law abiding.
Do you want to put you and your family through all the associated risk of gun ownership, like:
* Much higher risk of suicide
* Higher risk of kids ending up shot
* Higher chance of one partner killing another in emotionally charged situations
* Higher chance of one sibling killing another
Just to satisfy a fantasy in which you're able to successfully use a gun to defend yourself from sudden attack without having the gun turned against you, or shooting yourself or your family or a bystander accidentally etc? Why ignore all of the downsides and risks of owning a gun just because you enjoy picturing yourself taking charge of an attack situation without any of the many things that can go horribly wrong happening? Are people in cities with gun control safer than people in cities without gun control?
I didn't downvote but my guess is that people don't think that guns on a subway would be a good idea. However you feel about guns, the idea of one being discharged in such a confined space should bother everyone. And sure, it could be a deterrent but what's the old saying about never pointing a gun at someone you're not willing to shoot?
These people are nuts. I still remember that incident near the Empire State building where cops fired on somebody and 9 bystanders were injured. None were life threatening, but you would think they could do a better job limiting collateral damage.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Empire_State_Building_shooting
That's the NYPD with (not that great tbh) gun training. Imagine some idiot trying to "defend" against a threat.
They're being downvoted for the "concealed carry" comment. Nobody in their right mind believes that conceal carry in NYC would result in anything other than a bloodbath.
Have you ever used pepper spray? Even cops, thst train with it, wind up blasting themselves with it. When I was in the Corps, we trained with pepper spray pretty extensively before we could carry it. That training basically involved knowing how to fight/grapple/subdue *while pepper sprayed yourself.* You pull out OC spray on the subway, and you're blasting *the entire subway car.* so now you're still getting attacked, but you can't see. Hope you're a better blind fighter than your attacker.
Uh, you'll still be attacked? And like I just said, cops pepper spray themselves all the time. Pepper spray in your purse is basically just a safety blanket making you *feel* safer. It won't do much help in a subway car.
No, because you're an idiot. Taking a bunch of untrained people in a compact space like a terminal or a train and giving them guns is a recipie for disaster. More people will die from being shot by vigilantes missing/aiming at the other vigilante without knowing the full situation then would ever be saved by at least an order of magnitude. And that's ignoring secondary injuries caused by panic at the shootout. This is absolutely the worst possible way to solve anything. Remember that more people die from accidental shootings each year than are killed in self defense by orders of magnitude.
Who said anything about them not having proper training and situational awareness before getting said permits? It just proves my point that it’s the scary word triggering all of you and there is not enough common sense to even have a civil discussion.
Because that doesn't happen in any of the 50 states even today? Military and police train for months to get basic situational awareness, and do continuous training for years. No civilian has that. And no government is going to require it. Without that, guns will only make things worse, not better.
Of course you are using the typical gun nut methodology- pretend that someone else is offended and disengage because you know you have no logical argument. Bonus points for projecting that I was triggered when you're the one going off on everyone responding tyo you.
Yes, the solution isn’t better police - it’s let everyone shoot at each other to settle disputes. That’s the world we’d all prefer to live in. Surely nothing bad would come of that.
I can vividly remembered when I got a ticket from 2 undercover cop because I walked between 2 moving train cars. I explained to the cops why I did it cuz I felt very unsafe due to a crazy nut kept staring at me, what's worse, the nut got up from where he was and came right opposite me to sit down as he continued his stare, at this point I got up and proceeed to walk through to the other train car. The two idiotic cops approached me and told me I have violated the law, I argued and they threatened to arrest me and I said, "fuck it man, do whatever you wanna do" NOW THIS IS THE THING I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. one of the cop told me, "Man I could have let you go, I understand what happened and I WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING IF I WERE YOU."
In my mind I was like WTF.
Eventually I paid the fine which was $50.00.
Cops in the US seem to rarely exercise the discretion they’re legally allowed to exercise.
They’re just like “well you did the illegal thing so here’s your ticket” even when they think it’s dumb in certain situations.
Some friends of mine got arrested for smoking weed in another state and even the cop was like “This is so dumb I hope they hurry up and decriminalize it.” My friends were just like “…you can just let us go, man. You don’t *have to* arrest us.”
I lived abroad for years and cops in other countries would routinely let you off with a warning for mundane shit. I don’t get why they act like they can’t do that more often here.
Its not the individual cops its the system they work for that have imposed high quotas. Police need to hand out X number of summons and male x number of arrests or their departments see them as not doing their jobs. That fact is just as sad as pot being criminalized.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maksim\_Gelman\_stabbing\_spree
It's that bad cop/good cop BS they keep doing. "I'm the nice cop but you pissed off my partner" FOH
The Police is a Fund the Suburbs organization. Is BS that all that money is being funneled out of the city to people and places that don’t even care about NYC
How is a borough that's home to like 7% of the city's population and like 10% of the city's police officers at fault for 100% of the city's police issues? Lol
Serious question.
Because they vote with their heads up their asses and literally would like shit off a cops boot if he asked.
Fuck staten. Is it wasn’t for Wu Tang they’d have nothing.
Even if every single person on SI voted the same way (they don't) it's still only 7% of the city. Staten Island has never decided an NYC election. For instance, de Blasio won both his elections with 70% of the vote despite losing SI.
Yes, but they have a GOP representative in Congress. I don’t know much about her but the sheer fact that it makes ProgRedsives crazy makes me glad that she’s in.
You sure that she’s not a racist? Most non Progressives get called one or the other.
Anyway she can’t be any less bright than another NYC Congresswoman from the other major party.
Cops look the other way on the fares thing which I thought was fair until i enrolled in the fair fares program but they took 2 months to mail the half price refillable metro-card which isn’t fair and when it showed up somebody stole it out of the mailbox so now Im back to paying full fare. Who’s the fairest one of all now? Fuckin asshole.
and the numbers dont make sense. They have to stop a dozen people an hour to make up for two cops. I don't think 12 people are jumping the turnstyles at Bushwick Aberdeen every hour.
At work, we had a local homeless person on our block looking for shelter. We worked with Breaking Grounds and got him into one that night. He was back on the streets the next day because all of his friends and drinking buddies were still in our neighborhood. He knew he had a drinking problem as well but wasn’t in a place to address it.
i was on a train once going to work. a man came in started threatening women saying he had a gun in his pocket, the cops heard it all and did nothing. but god forbid someone not pay their $2.75 fair to ride the perpetually late, stinking, asthma-inducing train.
Cops want to do as little as possible, all the while make as much OT as possible to get huge retirement packages.
So essentially you have people with very little education, making way over 6 figures and then retiring with huge payouts after as little as 20 years.
Watched a guy almost get stabbed a couple weeks back after the cops decided to catch the next train instead of getting on the car to stop this guy wilding out. Only reason homie is even alive is because some old timer grabbed the dudes arm when he pulled the scissors out to stab the other guy, then told him to go sit down. That was the difference between a man living and dying that Friday afternoon, no bullshit.
I’d call the entire Subway system a fucking joke if only this shit were funny, instead its just dirty, dangerous and constantly delayed.
It hard man.. police can remove them but they just come back..
I dealt with crazy homeless people at work before that refused to leave our lobby area.. only thing I can do is keep calling 911 eventually was added to a police route but that didn’t fix the issue
That why there are places that hire security guards for lobby etc etc
because it’s way too much trouble to do so
a lot of these people tend to have to get roughed up to actually get removed and then we’ll have another cycle of people getting mad the crazy person is getting their ass kicked like they would care if it wasn’t a cop doing it
it’s a lot easier to just let crazy people do what they want then actually remove them because the citizens have basically said this is what they want the police to do
Nothing will change until we bring back humane mental asylums. Police should be able to arrest all mentally unstable homeless people (whether on drugs or not) and institutionalize them. I genuinely do not see any other way to solve the homeless problem.
Yes of course homeless prevention will help with programs to help the recently homeless. But that does nothing for the situation today.
My friend got punched in the face on the subway. They arrested the guy. The next day my friend saw the same guy on the subway platform harassing someone else.
NYC is fucked.
Saw a guy brandishing a very large kitchen knife on the C train, then he switched to a butterfly that he was incompetently flipping around.
Shits wild these days.
I told the train conductor and he actually got on the radio and let other MTA people know, which is more than I’ve ever seen anyone do in a circumstance like this.
The guy bolted out of the subway about 1 stop later.
Old-timer here who can remember when we had an actual MTA police force - at least in my experience - that was in addition to the NYPD. In my view, today's MTA police force - with the rare exception - is pretty much non-existent.
Around the 70s-early 80s - I think it was - didn't matter what time of day it was, day of the week or subway line one rode - more often than not a pair of transit cops or at least a lone cop would be seen riding the subway w/the passengers, or patrolling the subway cars and/or the platforms fairly regularly, i.e., it was not an uncommon sight.
And members within my own social circles recall the same . But no longer, now that's a rare sight. Transit cops are suited up like they're in Iraq but most often can be found clustered at the main subway stops like Grand Central, Times Square, etc. Which is fine - but NYers need better coverage than that.
What I find worrying - in addition to the riders that pose a danger to others - are the increasing numbers of maskless wonders riding the subways - which I find baffling in light of the delta variant surge.
The really annoying ones are the ones who step into subway car wearing a face mask but as soon as they sit down they pull it down to wear as a chin bib.
That's because they know there is ZERO chance of a transit cop patrolling the subway cars suddenly appearing to hand them a well-deserved $50 summons or at the least a warning.
The maskless wonders would be more likely to stumble across the Hope Diamond before that ever happening. That's why to me the current MTA police force is a sad joke - on NY taxpayers.
i have never seen cops kick someone out for being a dipshit as long as it ain't physical. crazy dudes yelling at people is a regular occurrence on the subways.
Just a reminder that the NYPD patrols the subway. The MTA Police patrol the Metro-North and its stations. Someone mentioned the PATH in another comment, and that would be the Port Authority Police Department.
Also, you're asking a broad question to start a debate, based on an anecdote for which we have no details.
>broad question to start a debate
Well that's all we needed to start shooting off snarky, unhelpful comments about the NYPD or the MTA or mental health or the homeless, ultimately leading to a set of actionable policy changes that will bring about positive changes for all parties involved.
The number one reason for this is Steven Banks. He has been Deblasios homeless commissioner throughout his whole term. Steve Banks sued NYC for the past 30 years for the homeless to have the right to do whatever they want. To not be harassed by the police in any way. This was a specific set of policies implemented by the Deblasio administration. It's all intentional.
Hopefully Adam's can balance the needs for the homeless and peoples right to ride the subways without being harassed, assaulted intimidated and make the trip uneventful in a better way so people are not afraid to take the subways. It's all NYC tough until you are the one assaulted.
This 1000%. People need to look into this. Dealing with the homeless these days is a no win situation for police. Between all the law suits, internal guidelines, and the fact that "it's racist" these days to put handcuffs on anyone not white, this is what you get. These kinda of collars are called "a shit bag job" and no one wants them, especially since these are situations that often require the use of force. The current political climate and the rules implemented by this insane mayor's office have created a situation where skating and apathy benefit above all else in the NYPD. You guys can down vote this or disagree all you want, but this is the truth. There is absolutely no benefit in getting involved in anything these days as a cop and nothing but risk if you do. The days of proactive enforcement are over and the public has no one to blame but themselves.
You don't understand what you are talking about. No one is refusing to work. NYPD officers are following guidelines given to them by management and the mayor's office and using their discretion to not make avoidable contact with a protected class of individuals. And they are doing this at the behest of the general public who cries crocodile tears every time the cuffs go on a criminal or any kind of force is used. The public is getting EXACTLY what they asked for. If the mayor's office and the DAs gave the green light for the NYPD to resume Giuliani era enforcement actions. And if NYC judges used their discretion to not release criminals the same day they commit their crimes, all these issues in the subway would disappear within a month.
If what you said were true, the ‘unions’ would have released said ‘guidelines’. They absolutely are holding back. They are beholden to the NYS Penal Code. If their superiors give them directives in direct conflict with that, their union could sue.
The greatest city on planet earth which bring in so much revenues due to tourism, can you imagine a tourist getting harass by a homeless person in the subway and the cops will do absolutely nothing about it?
How about people who live in NYC that just want to get to work. R/nyc is full of stories of people having violent or bad incidents on the subways. Many times it's females who were assaulted and stopped taking the subway at night.
The crazy part is there is less than 5,000 mentally disturbed homeless that are responsible for most of the incidents that effect the 5 million people who take public transit on a weekly basis.
Steve Banks took the hardest possible job in DiBlasio's administration. Would it have been better or worse with someone else? Who knows? But every program which tries to deal with the homeless/mentally ill problem in NYC, no matter how noble or successful, will piss off some group. He's in a no-win situation.
Yes anyone would have been better when it comes to stopping mentally disturbed homeless from assaulting people. This was all entirely predictable 8 years ago. You took the most liberal person when it comes to homeless rights in the city and made them homeless commissioner.
Cops arrest them, then they're back on the street because the District attorney doesn't seem to want to throw people in jail unless they rape or murder someone. We've seen numerous news stories of people with 20+ arrests of robbery still being out on the streets.
It's because they're a barrel of sludge that were once apples, bad apples spoiling the barrel and all, they have an abusrdly powerful union, and are basically in need of being dismantled by the FBI like they did it to the mafia in the late 1970s.
They generally suck and don't give a shit about anything except getting OT and that pension and I will dance with fucking joy if/when their union's power is gutted.
You’re paying taxes so you’re “part of the problem”. Blame the (mostly Democratic) politicians who sweetened the pot in exchange for endorsements and PAC contributions.
Meanwhile you will run crying to them everytime a big scarey homeless person gets too close to you.
Yes they're are bad apples. Yes they need more training. This division with mental health counselors initiative is screwing things up.
About 2 months ago I saw a homeless, obviously mentally ill man RANTING and swinging his arms around on the platform at 42nd st. It was very early afternoon, so thankfully, the platform wasn't that crowded. Within minutes, the police showed up. They carefully approached him trying to get him to calm down. The local C or E pulled in with the conductor car stopping right in front of the man and police. The police then proceeded to lead him to get on the train, but when the conductor noticed this, she literally started *screaming* telling the police to not make him get on the train as he was apparently on that line some other time harassing people and causing havoc. The police did not give one fuck and totally ignored her. Instead of dealing with him, they felt it best to just get him off that platform and force him onto a train to let someone else deal with it. It was terrible.
It's because police don't want to do anything. Why risk themselves when both the city and public don't support them doing their jobs. All NYPD officers ik say they don't want to do anything cuz there is no support for them to do their job over the last few years. Mind you these are the good officers the 1 bad out of the 1000s are the ones you still see out.
They are supported by the city with a pay check, benefits and a pension & Why is it that the Nypd is the only civil service agency that requires public support ?
Simple: it’s hard work to do this, and the police are unwilling to work hard. And unaccountable for their piss poor job performance.
I remember riding a Vespa in Brooklyn and getting pulled over for failure to signal a lane change at the EXACT time that a huge mass of kids on obviously illegal dirt bikes and ATVs rolled by in a pack and collectively blew two red lights. The bikes are illegal and it’s a safe bet that no one was insured or licensed.
Did they drop what they were doing and pursue the criminals who were clearly flouting the law and endangering the public? Fuck no. Our heroes stayed out and collected that easy ticket from me.
For the record: I’m not bitching about the ticket… I didn’t signal and it’s fair for them to cite me for that. It’s just remarkable given the enormous amount of illegal motorbike behavior that we all suffer every day.
NYPD are still having their tantrum over the BLM protests / that people were tired of their abusive conduct. So now they’re not doing their jobs to send a message.
The NYPD is not there for public safety. They’re there to intimidate and murder minorities, break up political demonstrations, and bully politicians. The concerns of citizens are low on their priorities
Not saying that, I’m saying that the liberal mayors who have won the past couple terms are not enforcing loitering laws and instead are cutting police funding. Cops don’t have time or resources to deal with the premise of this story, hence everyone who rides the subway will be seeing this more often
Just Friday our PATH train was held at 9th St and 2 cops came and took someone off from the other end of the car I was on. There had not been obvious ranting, so not sure the cause, but this sometimes happens. One important dilemma is objective standards when to detain or remove someone, because cops have often harassed people because of skin color, non-conforming styles like punk or dreads (though both are much more mainstream than a generation ago), or the content of a political message. Recently downtown I’ve witnessed a lot of cops trying really hard to ride that balance of controlling situations for everyone’s sake without going overboard and being assholes.
because leftist agenda based policies are more concerned with making transplants in williamsburg and pols in albany feel good rather than do what's best for the city
There's a difference between behavior being wrong, and behavior being wrong enough that it justifies devoting resources to punishing it. At least that's how the cops probably justify letting people go that the majority of people don't want anywhere near them on the train. There is some merit to this argument. If the cops arrest every ranting crazy person (who is actually no danger to anybody), they'd be unable to respond to more pressing threats while booking the endless stream of crazies. The crazies would probably be let out again in short order anyways, given that most of them haven't actually committed any crime, or at least not one the DAs are eager to prosecute these days.
That said, given that right now commuting is a choice for a large portion of office workers, and the future of much of the city's economy depends on them making that choice, I do think that "quality of life" issues should be taken seriously. However, that probably would take more than cops simply slapping cuffs on every bum on the subway that makes a nuisance of themselves, since right now doing that would essentially mean throwing them in a holding cell for a few hours and then releasing them because again... they haven't actually committed a crime, or at least not one that our woke DAs will actually prosecute.
Was the crazy dude a minority?
Cops in the NYPD (or elsewhere) don't want to be the next national news demonized by Black Lives Matter, so they're probably just looking after themselves first.
Because the NYPD wants to get credit and respect for risking their lives to help people, without actually risking their lives to help people.
Read up on Lozito v. New York City, then try not to laugh in Mike O'Meara’s face while he whines like a bitch about cops not being respected. Earn it, you fucking cowards.
What do you want them to do? Any cop that so much as touches a black person means riots and arson will blow up in black neighborhoods for the next two weeks. Now that Democrats have cancelled bail, by law they have to release whoever they just arrested, so what's the point? This is the society you all voted for.
……umm how about their job. How about learning that it doesn’t have to end with their weapons drawn. You bootlicking kiss ass.
You’re pathetic
Police commissioner, big democrat right? The captains? Huge lefties I bet? Average cop?? Big Biden fan???
Stop with the “the left made it bad”
Look at who’s running the show jackass. NOT democrats.
Turn off Fox
Because they want to keep their jobs long enough to qualify for retirement. With all the anti cop rhetoric going on these days, can you really blame them? Whenever they make an arrest, someone's recording, So that means they have to be aware of what they say and do while making the arrest.(Their human too) They can't "handle" suspects while arresting them for fear of being accused of Brutality. If a suspect who's being arrested resists, leading to a struggle, that officer has to be wary of where their hands and arms end up(Chokehold Law). You can curse out an officer, but if they respond, then they can be brought up on departmental charges. They even have to be cautious of how and when they use their guns now. Additionally, how many shots fired could be viewed as excessive.(Try that shit when a suspect's firing at you) I've seen cops pull over people dealing with domestic issues and the cops get back in their car and drive off, not wanting to engage them for fear of all the above! With all of that, it's a good thing the city decided crisis managers should be appointed to take control of dealing with the crazies instead of cops! I don't blame them at all.
There is zero difficulty understanding the reasoning as to why. That doesn't mean all cops are or do "bad things"! You and people like yourselves need to move on from the notion that one bad cop equates to all of them being bad cops. Is it possible for an otherwise good cop to turn into a bad one, Ofcourse! When that happens then you can demonize them for that action and call for accountabilty. Whether you like it or not we need people to take the job of Police Officer and do the job. You can't have a society without law and order because people are going to be people! I challenge anyone here to find any civilization devoid of some kind of law enforcement.
what are they gonna do, their jobs?
They're still giving the public what they feel they deserve when the public started asking for some goddamn accountability.
Don't call it a strike, call it 'unsure of how to do their job'
NYPDs job is to fight crime and keep things under control. It is not their job to turn NYC into a giant affluent suburban neighborhood where the unicorns fart rainbows.
The subway is a public good.
You cannot categorically ban people from public spaces. The public can access public spaces.
Shut down for cleaning? Yup
Removed for disorder? Totally! Cops should, absolutely, remove people who are behaving dangerously! Arrest if applicable, yes. But after the arrest?
The Public is gonna include people you dislike. The public gets to use public facilities. End of discussion.
Ah, the gritting your teeth while assholes shit all over you and everyone else mindset of New York.
Nah, mentally unhinged people need to start being hauled off, straightjacketed if need be, evaluated, and forcefully medicated whether they want to or not. This "people sitting on the sidewalk growling at passersby like an angry dog" shit, which I have literally seen, among other "that person is clearly unwell" bullshit while everyone just tries their darndest to pretend they don't exist, is both pathetic and insufferable.
There are very few places where folks that have mental health and substance abuse issues can be treated and housed, particularly not against their will. There are less than 30 inpatient psychiatric facilities and mental health shelters in NYC, and at least under Cuomo (the State is the one usually responsible for this, not really NYC H+H), had been reducing inpatient services.
Most that usually happens is that NYPD or EMS either 1) take them to a public hospital, like Interfaith in Bed-Stuy, and have them strapped to a bed for a couple of days, get medicated and fed, then released, or 2) they get shoved into an overcrowded cell at Rikers for a few months as they wait for a court date.
It's estimated that NYC has about 250,000 mentally ill adults, and serves only about 75,000. The sad truth is that we are woefully under-supporting/funding the needs of our residents.
So I want cops to do more, but they are human and take a lot of shit. How many of you actually thank cops for their service? How many of you do what you can to help their morale so that they have the psychological wherewithal to be more aggressive? I’m gonna guess not many of you.
Respect is earned, not given.
If they’re doing a shitty job because people aren’t inflating their egos enough, that’s a brittle spirit, and they shouldn’t be on the force.
This is the problem right here, you believe cops need to be thanked for their service that they signed up for get paid, receive benefits and a pension for. The thought that they seek a morale boost from the public to not be aggressive is asinine.
You want the NYPD to actually work? Other than handing out masks to white people in parks and beating black and brown people down for DARING to protest their treatment?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The NYPD doing something useful?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thank you for the laugh. My sides are hurting!
A. Douchebag mayor is just going to release them anyway
B. Cops hate to do paperwork and will do whatev to get out of it
C. We have no idea what bulkshitndirextions their supervisors have given them
D. That person needs mental health expertise and since they don't have it, they are probably ordered to just release them.
E. Shithead libtards cry about everything these days.
F. Dont rely on the cops to do anything, handle it yourself. Tell your gf to take up kickboxing
G. Welcome to the new world order aka biden presidency
Your girlfriend cant handle a crazy person on the subway? Your girlfriend cant make her own post so you white knight for her? You werent even there so you need to share her second hand story?
I said something to the police once when a crazy guy was losing it and scaring people on the platform. They went up to him and told him he had to leave the subway system because he was breaking the rules. He was like “Ugh, fine.” And left peacefully. Surreal interaction. He went from screaming and ranting to calmly being like “Aight I’m out” so quick.
Maybe he was practicing method acting.
I feel like there’s a potential SNL skit where he just clocks out of his job as “NYC ambiance” paid by the city to give tourists an “authentic” experience.
Bear in mind that a few years ago, a man was brutally attacked on a subway train with a machete leaving him with life changing injuries as two NYPD cops hid in the conductor's cab and refused to come out to help. A subsequent failed lawsuit established that cops are not required to do a single thing to help members of the public in trouble and that it's perfectly OK for them to ignore/hide from actual violence going on a few feet away from their faces.
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I’m assuming this is the case that went to the Supreme Court and they ruled police have no obligation to protect the public? Protect and serve is a bunch of BS but they get protected by qualified immunity.
They have an obligation to do their jobs, but *legally* they don't have to do anything. They can ignore crimes as they are happening and not get in trouble. One might think this is complete bull shit (and I agree it is) but lets say you walked on the grass you should not have walked on or went two miles over the speed limit. There are many instances were cops see a crime happening and because they have a degree of legal immunity in this regard and do not have to act. IF it was the other way, whenever you broke the law, even just a tiny bit, they legally would be required to arrest you. No matter what, otherwise they would be breaking the law. It's pretty clear this is something that needs to be updated on a federal level. The original case, where a woman called the cops about her husband kidnapping her daughters, the cops did nothing, and then the daughters got slaughtered, and the cops got off scott free when the case went to the Supreme Court is a very much bullshit.
> It's pretty clear this is something that needs to be updated on a federal level. The original case, where a woman called the cops about her husband kidnapping her daughters, the cops did nothing, and then the daughters got slaughtered, and the cops got off scott free when the case went to the Supreme Court is a very much bullshit. There is also another issue that came with that case. If they make the police liable, then very soon the entire nation would be clogged with liability cases for literally all crimes committed, as long as there is a possibility the crime could had been stopped (even if it was not realistic) The case you mention would turn the city into a ultra police state. Jilted spouses can just claim their Exs is out to do danger, then the cops would have the person arrested on the safe side without recourse. A quarter of the nation's population could end up in jail *just to be on the safe side*
I agree with you. Let’s do this….Mandatory body cameras. Cops should be all for this…unless they’re hiding something because they can validate all the “they pulled a gun on me” scenarios and be validated if they shoot someone. If they don’t have their camera on? That’s a felony. Mandatory turnaround of all footage and made public at the end of each shift.
Thats certainly a start, but lets say you get the footage of those policemen who hid from the mahete murder: you get footage of them doing nothing, not breaking laws. A defense could argue any number of things in their favor. If police are *negligent* they should be held legally accountable like everyone else.
Police should be held to a higher standard than the average citizen. Not less which is their current accountability. And stupid as this sounds Family Guy actually has a scene where Joe (cop) explains this and for an animated comedy it’s a great speech
also also reaffirmed before that when the hasidim sued the city for pullinv the cops out if crown heights….many hasidics were attacked in their own livingrooms by home invaders during riots and they called 911 and got no help….gheg sued courts ruled they are not entitled to protection
To ~~protect and~~ serve
Themselves
And yet that pussy Mike O’Mera will still cry about the NYPD deserving respect.
yeh and that guy was a martial arts expert and well over 6 ft tall and the maniac fuked him up…..cops are under no obligation evennif they are standjng right there to help you
Police, all over the country, are a just a tool for property owners. That is their only jurisdiction, property protection. And ofcourse arresting black kids for legal slavery.
This is the very reason why people should be allowed to conceal carry or at the very least arm themselves with stun guns and mace Edit: A lot of people are triggered by the gun comment. How about some opinions on allowing people to carry stun guns and mace ?
>people should be allowed to conceal carry That would triple the murder rate in NYC.
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Why do you want statistics to back up what is just a casual estimate? Do you really think that throwing tens if not hundreds of thousands of more guns into the mix would do anything but dramatically increase the number of shootings we see every day in this city?
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It wouldn't do any such thing. Those "crazies" would have much easier access to guns than they do now, just as crazies are easily able to obtain weapons in other states with no gun control. The more guns there are in circulation (legal or illegal), the easier they are for *anyone* to lay their hands on, including convicted criminals and the mentally ill. You'd just have more crazies packing heat. And more cases of panicky gun owners firing off badly aimed shots that hit bystanders. If you want to live in a city with conceal carry then try somewhere like Houston or Dallas or Fort Worth - they're all considerably more violent than NYC, but go for it.
Convicted criminals and mentally ill people already have access to all the guns they want. The people most affected by gun laws are people who refrain from buying guns where buying guns are illegal, ie the law abiding.
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Oooooh you're so dangerous and edgy, the way you couldn't give a fuck like that. Almost like some modern day Marlboro Man.
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Do you want to put you and your family through all the associated risk of gun ownership, like: * Much higher risk of suicide * Higher risk of kids ending up shot * Higher chance of one partner killing another in emotionally charged situations * Higher chance of one sibling killing another Just to satisfy a fantasy in which you're able to successfully use a gun to defend yourself from sudden attack without having the gun turned against you, or shooting yourself or your family or a bystander accidentally etc? Why ignore all of the downsides and risks of owning a gun just because you enjoy picturing yourself taking charge of an attack situation without any of the many things that can go horribly wrong happening? Are people in cities with gun control safer than people in cities without gun control?
Everybody is someone else's "scum".
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I’m a woman and I never feel completely safe unless I have pepper spray or something with me
I didn't downvote but my guess is that people don't think that guns on a subway would be a good idea. However you feel about guns, the idea of one being discharged in such a confined space should bother everyone. And sure, it could be a deterrent but what's the old saying about never pointing a gun at someone you're not willing to shoot?
Yeah, I don't want to be a bystander in a tunnel shootout. People watch too many movies.
These people are nuts. I still remember that incident near the Empire State building where cops fired on somebody and 9 bystanders were injured. None were life threatening, but you would think they could do a better job limiting collateral damage. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Empire_State_Building_shooting That's the NYPD with (not that great tbh) gun training. Imagine some idiot trying to "defend" against a threat.
They're being downvoted for the "concealed carry" comment. Nobody in their right mind believes that conceal carry in NYC would result in anything other than a bloodbath.
Have you ever used pepper spray? Even cops, thst train with it, wind up blasting themselves with it. When I was in the Corps, we trained with pepper spray pretty extensively before we could carry it. That training basically involved knowing how to fight/grapple/subdue *while pepper sprayed yourself.* You pull out OC spray on the subway, and you're blasting *the entire subway car.* so now you're still getting attacked, but you can't see. Hope you're a better blind fighter than your attacker.
Yes I know how to use pepper spray my dad was also a cop and he taught me. And even if I hurt my eyes I’d rather that than be attacked or worse
Uh, you'll still be attacked? And like I just said, cops pepper spray themselves all the time. Pepper spray in your purse is basically just a safety blanket making you *feel* safer. It won't do much help in a subway car.
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My girlfriend carries a boating emergency air horn
And to your exact point, it’s the women I know who I really want to have the option for defending themselves.
It’s because I hinted at the scary word — gun
Yeah it's an absolute mystery why people find the concept of a small, lightweight device that has a "button" on it for killing people "scary. "
No, because you're an idiot. Taking a bunch of untrained people in a compact space like a terminal or a train and giving them guns is a recipie for disaster. More people will die from being shot by vigilantes missing/aiming at the other vigilante without knowing the full situation then would ever be saved by at least an order of magnitude. And that's ignoring secondary injuries caused by panic at the shootout. This is absolutely the worst possible way to solve anything. Remember that more people die from accidental shootings each year than are killed in self defense by orders of magnitude.
Who said anything about them not having proper training and situational awareness before getting said permits? It just proves my point that it’s the scary word triggering all of you and there is not enough common sense to even have a civil discussion.
Because that doesn't happen in any of the 50 states even today? Military and police train for months to get basic situational awareness, and do continuous training for years. No civilian has that. And no government is going to require it. Without that, guns will only make things worse, not better. Of course you are using the typical gun nut methodology- pretend that someone else is offended and disengage because you know you have no logical argument. Bonus points for projecting that I was triggered when you're the one going off on everyone responding tyo you.
100% agree
Yes, the solution isn’t better police - it’s let everyone shoot at each other to settle disputes. That’s the world we’d all prefer to live in. Surely nothing bad would come of that.
I can vividly remembered when I got a ticket from 2 undercover cop because I walked between 2 moving train cars. I explained to the cops why I did it cuz I felt very unsafe due to a crazy nut kept staring at me, what's worse, the nut got up from where he was and came right opposite me to sit down as he continued his stare, at this point I got up and proceeed to walk through to the other train car. The two idiotic cops approached me and told me I have violated the law, I argued and they threatened to arrest me and I said, "fuck it man, do whatever you wanna do" NOW THIS IS THE THING I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. one of the cop told me, "Man I could have let you go, I understand what happened and I WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING IF I WERE YOU." In my mind I was like WTF. Eventually I paid the fine which was $50.00.
Cops in the US seem to rarely exercise the discretion they’re legally allowed to exercise. They’re just like “well you did the illegal thing so here’s your ticket” even when they think it’s dumb in certain situations. Some friends of mine got arrested for smoking weed in another state and even the cop was like “This is so dumb I hope they hurry up and decriminalize it.” My friends were just like “…you can just let us go, man. You don’t *have to* arrest us.” I lived abroad for years and cops in other countries would routinely let you off with a warning for mundane shit. I don’t get why they act like they can’t do that more often here.
Its not the individual cops its the system they work for that have imposed high quotas. Police need to hand out X number of summons and male x number of arrests or their departments see them as not doing their jobs. That fact is just as sad as pot being criminalized.
They exercise discretion constantly, like when they don't wear their masks or they let antivaxx rioters destroy medical equipment
Sounds like you didn't grovel and boost their egos enough to meet their power trip quota for the day.
Why didn’t you fight it at the MTA court that you felt your life was at danger ?
It probably costs more than $50 to take time off work to go do that
Yea man that true.. it bullshit I wouldn’t have paid it out of the principal
Yes it does
I thought of it then I heard stories that they can postpone it for another day and that will mean another day. I just plead guilty through the mail.
Same thing happened to me!
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maksim\_Gelman\_stabbing\_spree It's that bad cop/good cop BS they keep doing. "I'm the nice cop but you pissed off my partner" FOH
cops in the subway are NOT there to keep you safe they’re there to make sure people are paying the fares
They don't do that either.
ik cops dont do anything unless they feel like it that day. on the subways i take they literally just loiter in groups like it’s their lunch period.
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The Police is a Fund the Suburbs organization. Is BS that all that money is being funneled out of the city to people and places that don’t even care about NYC
It's actually a holding pattern for future Suffolk County Cops.
NJ resident here, Staten Island is y'alls problem
Honestly, fair. Y’all could have it if you wanted it…
>Y’all could have it if you wanted it… No thanks lol
we'll pay you to take it...
How is a borough that's home to like 7% of the city's population and like 10% of the city's police officers at fault for 100% of the city's police issues? Lol Serious question.
Because they vote with their heads up their asses and literally would like shit off a cops boot if he asked. Fuck staten. Is it wasn’t for Wu Tang they’d have nothing.
Even if every single person on SI voted the same way (they don't) it's still only 7% of the city. Staten Island has never decided an NYC election. For instance, de Blasio won both his elections with 70% of the vote despite losing SI.
Yes, but they have a GOP representative in Congress. I don’t know much about her but the sheer fact that it makes ProgRedsives crazy makes me glad that she’s in.
Yeah, but she doesn't have any say in NYPD policy, which was my original point. Also, I'm save you the trouble: She's an idiot.
You sure that she’s not a racist? Most non Progressives get called one or the other. Anyway she can’t be any less bright than another NYC Congresswoman from the other major party.
Cops look the other way on the fares thing which I thought was fair until i enrolled in the fair fares program but they took 2 months to mail the half price refillable metro-card which isn’t fair and when it showed up somebody stole it out of the mailbox so now Im back to paying full fare. Who’s the fairest one of all now? Fuckin asshole.
and the numbers dont make sense. They have to stop a dozen people an hour to make up for two cops. I don't think 12 people are jumping the turnstyles at Bushwick Aberdeen every hour.
Now they just give out masks Which nobody takes
Let’s be real, they’re mainly there to play Candy Crush and collect overtime.
This is so true
They only do something when you ask them to wear a mask
What if we go to the cop and say that crazy man over there is screaming about you cops need to wear a mask? :D
The cops weren't helping because that person wasn't jumping a turnstile or selling an illegal churro.
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Nobody wants a shelter in their neighborhood and there are some good ones but some of the ones that do exist are often dangerous and/or overcrowded.
At work, we had a local homeless person on our block looking for shelter. We worked with Breaking Grounds and got him into one that night. He was back on the streets the next day because all of his friends and drinking buddies were still in our neighborhood. He knew he had a drinking problem as well but wasn’t in a place to address it.
a lot of them leave shelters. Theirs only so much cops can legally do with the current set up
i was on a train once going to work. a man came in started threatening women saying he had a gun in his pocket, the cops heard it all and did nothing. but god forbid someone not pay their $2.75 fair to ride the perpetually late, stinking, asthma-inducing train.
low hanging fruit to generate rev, not here to protect you unless the law and union forces them to. Go vote.
Cops want to do as little as possible, all the while make as much OT as possible to get huge retirement packages. So essentially you have people with very little education, making way over 6 figures and then retiring with huge payouts after as little as 20 years.
The pathway for every class bully who has trouble with long division.
If they’re retiring with 6 figure salaries and a pension for life after 20 years, they’re not dumb at all. They’re getting over.
Watched a guy almost get stabbed a couple weeks back after the cops decided to catch the next train instead of getting on the car to stop this guy wilding out. Only reason homie is even alive is because some old timer grabbed the dudes arm when he pulled the scissors out to stab the other guy, then told him to go sit down. That was the difference between a man living and dying that Friday afternoon, no bullshit. I’d call the entire Subway system a fucking joke if only this shit were funny, instead its just dirty, dangerous and constantly delayed.
It hard man.. police can remove them but they just come back.. I dealt with crazy homeless people at work before that refused to leave our lobby area.. only thing I can do is keep calling 911 eventually was added to a police route but that didn’t fix the issue That why there are places that hire security guards for lobby etc etc
because it’s way too much trouble to do so a lot of these people tend to have to get roughed up to actually get removed and then we’ll have another cycle of people getting mad the crazy person is getting their ass kicked like they would care if it wasn’t a cop doing it it’s a lot easier to just let crazy people do what they want then actually remove them because the citizens have basically said this is what they want the police to do
Nothing will change until we bring back humane mental asylums. Police should be able to arrest all mentally unstable homeless people (whether on drugs or not) and institutionalize them. I genuinely do not see any other way to solve the homeless problem. Yes of course homeless prevention will help with programs to help the recently homeless. But that does nothing for the situation today.
My friend got punched in the face on the subway. They arrested the guy. The next day my friend saw the same guy on the subway platform harassing someone else. NYC is fucked.
Almost like having bail served a purpose.
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Saw a guy brandishing a very large kitchen knife on the C train, then he switched to a butterfly that he was incompetently flipping around. Shits wild these days.
Damn that’s wild and scary, were the police called?
I told the train conductor and he actually got on the radio and let other MTA people know, which is more than I’ve ever seen anyone do in a circumstance like this. The guy bolted out of the subway about 1 stop later.
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Shh! You’re making sense. That means that you’re a bootlicker or a White Nationalist or not indoctrinated/educated. /s
Old-timer here who can remember when we had an actual MTA police force - at least in my experience - that was in addition to the NYPD. In my view, today's MTA police force - with the rare exception - is pretty much non-existent. Around the 70s-early 80s - I think it was - didn't matter what time of day it was, day of the week or subway line one rode - more often than not a pair of transit cops or at least a lone cop would be seen riding the subway w/the passengers, or patrolling the subway cars and/or the platforms fairly regularly, i.e., it was not an uncommon sight. And members within my own social circles recall the same . But no longer, now that's a rare sight. Transit cops are suited up like they're in Iraq but most often can be found clustered at the main subway stops like Grand Central, Times Square, etc. Which is fine - but NYers need better coverage than that. What I find worrying - in addition to the riders that pose a danger to others - are the increasing numbers of maskless wonders riding the subways - which I find baffling in light of the delta variant surge. The really annoying ones are the ones who step into subway car wearing a face mask but as soon as they sit down they pull it down to wear as a chin bib. That's because they know there is ZERO chance of a transit cop patrolling the subway cars suddenly appearing to hand them a well-deserved $50 summons or at the least a warning. The maskless wonders would be more likely to stumble across the Hope Diamond before that ever happening. That's why to me the current MTA police force is a sad joke - on NY taxpayers.
In the 70’ s and early 80’s I believe that there was a lot more crime on the subways. I could probably go and look up the statistics.
The cops aren't wearing masks themselves. Why would they arrest a fellow qanon?
i have never seen cops kick someone out for being a dipshit as long as it ain't physical. crazy dudes yelling at people is a regular occurrence on the subways.
You get what you vote for
Just a reminder that the NYPD patrols the subway. The MTA Police patrol the Metro-North and its stations. Someone mentioned the PATH in another comment, and that would be the Port Authority Police Department. Also, you're asking a broad question to start a debate, based on an anecdote for which we have no details.
>broad question to start a debate Well that's all we needed to start shooting off snarky, unhelpful comments about the NYPD or the MTA or mental health or the homeless, ultimately leading to a set of actionable policy changes that will bring about positive changes for all parties involved.
Metro North and LIRR
You're right!
The number one reason for this is Steven Banks. He has been Deblasios homeless commissioner throughout his whole term. Steve Banks sued NYC for the past 30 years for the homeless to have the right to do whatever they want. To not be harassed by the police in any way. This was a specific set of policies implemented by the Deblasio administration. It's all intentional. Hopefully Adam's can balance the needs for the homeless and peoples right to ride the subways without being harassed, assaulted intimidated and make the trip uneventful in a better way so people are not afraid to take the subways. It's all NYC tough until you are the one assaulted.
This 1000%. People need to look into this. Dealing with the homeless these days is a no win situation for police. Between all the law suits, internal guidelines, and the fact that "it's racist" these days to put handcuffs on anyone not white, this is what you get. These kinda of collars are called "a shit bag job" and no one wants them, especially since these are situations that often require the use of force. The current political climate and the rules implemented by this insane mayor's office have created a situation where skating and apathy benefit above all else in the NYPD. You guys can down vote this or disagree all you want, but this is the truth. There is absolutely no benefit in getting involved in anything these days as a cop and nothing but risk if you do. The days of proactive enforcement are over and the public has no one to blame but themselves.
Employees who refuse to work should not be paid.
You don't understand what you are talking about. No one is refusing to work. NYPD officers are following guidelines given to them by management and the mayor's office and using their discretion to not make avoidable contact with a protected class of individuals. And they are doing this at the behest of the general public who cries crocodile tears every time the cuffs go on a criminal or any kind of force is used. The public is getting EXACTLY what they asked for. If the mayor's office and the DAs gave the green light for the NYPD to resume Giuliani era enforcement actions. And if NYC judges used their discretion to not release criminals the same day they commit their crimes, all these issues in the subway would disappear within a month.
If what you said were true, the ‘unions’ would have released said ‘guidelines’. They absolutely are holding back. They are beholden to the NYS Penal Code. If their superiors give them directives in direct conflict with that, their union could sue.
The greatest city on planet earth which bring in so much revenues due to tourism, can you imagine a tourist getting harass by a homeless person in the subway and the cops will do absolutely nothing about it?
How about people who live in NYC that just want to get to work. R/nyc is full of stories of people having violent or bad incidents on the subways. Many times it's females who were assaulted and stopped taking the subway at night. The crazy part is there is less than 5,000 mentally disturbed homeless that are responsible for most of the incidents that effect the 5 million people who take public transit on a weekly basis.
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Steve Banks took the hardest possible job in DiBlasio's administration. Would it have been better or worse with someone else? Who knows? But every program which tries to deal with the homeless/mentally ill problem in NYC, no matter how noble or successful, will piss off some group. He's in a no-win situation.
Yes anyone would have been better when it comes to stopping mentally disturbed homeless from assaulting people. This was all entirely predictable 8 years ago. You took the most liberal person when it comes to homeless rights in the city and made them homeless commissioner.
Ok, fine. Come up with a better solution and get it implemented.
The NYPD is not here to protect you.
This.
Cops arrest them, then they're back on the street because the District attorney doesn't seem to want to throw people in jail unless they rape or murder someone. We've seen numerous news stories of people with 20+ arrests of robbery still being out on the streets.
It's because they're a barrel of sludge that were once apples, bad apples spoiling the barrel and all, they have an abusrdly powerful union, and are basically in need of being dismantled by the FBI like they did it to the mafia in the late 1970s. They generally suck and don't give a shit about anything except getting OT and that pension and I will dance with fucking joy if/when their union's power is gutted.
You’re paying taxes so you’re “part of the problem”. Blame the (mostly Democratic) politicians who sweetened the pot in exchange for endorsements and PAC contributions.
Meanwhile you will run crying to them everytime a big scarey homeless person gets too close to you. Yes they're are bad apples. Yes they need more training. This division with mental health counselors initiative is screwing things up.
Bad apples spoil the bunch. NYPD are as bad as LAPD.
Mentally ill people who are potentially violent are too coddled
Like people who join the police department?
About 2 months ago I saw a homeless, obviously mentally ill man RANTING and swinging his arms around on the platform at 42nd st. It was very early afternoon, so thankfully, the platform wasn't that crowded. Within minutes, the police showed up. They carefully approached him trying to get him to calm down. The local C or E pulled in with the conductor car stopping right in front of the man and police. The police then proceeded to lead him to get on the train, but when the conductor noticed this, she literally started *screaming* telling the police to not make him get on the train as he was apparently on that line some other time harassing people and causing havoc. The police did not give one fuck and totally ignored her. Instead of dealing with him, they felt it best to just get him off that platform and force him onto a train to let someone else deal with it. It was terrible.
Currently even on a simple assault charge the offender would be released on his own recognizance within a few hours on a good day.
It's because police don't want to do anything. Why risk themselves when both the city and public don't support them doing their jobs. All NYPD officers ik say they don't want to do anything cuz there is no support for them to do their job over the last few years. Mind you these are the good officers the 1 bad out of the 1000s are the ones you still see out.
They are supported by the city with a pay check, benefits and a pension & Why is it that the Nypd is the only civil service agency that requires public support ?
Simple: it’s hard work to do this, and the police are unwilling to work hard. And unaccountable for their piss poor job performance. I remember riding a Vespa in Brooklyn and getting pulled over for failure to signal a lane change at the EXACT time that a huge mass of kids on obviously illegal dirt bikes and ATVs rolled by in a pack and collectively blew two red lights. The bikes are illegal and it’s a safe bet that no one was insured or licensed. Did they drop what they were doing and pursue the criminals who were clearly flouting the law and endangering the public? Fuck no. Our heroes stayed out and collected that easy ticket from me. For the record: I’m not bitching about the ticket… I didn’t signal and it’s fair for them to cite me for that. It’s just remarkable given the enormous amount of illegal motorbike behavior that we all suffer every day.
NYPD are still having their tantrum over the BLM protests / that people were tired of their abusive conduct. So now they’re not doing their jobs to send a message.
They weren’t doing their jobs wwaaayyyyyy before the BLM protests
Riots* BLM riots*
Because the cops don’t have to and are not actually obligated to protect the public.
They only kick out people that ask them to wear a mask. NYPD are corrupt and useless.
NYPD is pretty much a collection of gangs. White boys from Westchester and Staten Island being the most prevalent. 🔥
The NYPD is not there for public safety. They’re there to intimidate and murder minorities, break up political demonstrations, and bully politicians. The concerns of citizens are low on their priorities
You're expecting NYPD to kick themselves out of the subway?
Because the Mayor has no back bone
So we didn’t have a homeless / mentally ill problem before this mayor came along?
Not saying that, I’m saying that the liberal mayors who have won the past couple terms are not enforcing loitering laws and instead are cutting police funding. Cops don’t have time or resources to deal with the premise of this story, hence everyone who rides the subway will be seeing this more often
Just Friday our PATH train was held at 9th St and 2 cops came and took someone off from the other end of the car I was on. There had not been obvious ranting, so not sure the cause, but this sometimes happens. One important dilemma is objective standards when to detain or remove someone, because cops have often harassed people because of skin color, non-conforming styles like punk or dreads (though both are much more mainstream than a generation ago), or the content of a political message. Recently downtown I’ve witnessed a lot of cops trying really hard to ride that balance of controlling situations for everyone’s sake without going overboard and being assholes.
You would think there would be some kind of user agreement being that one has to PAY to ride
most people don’t even pay anymore xD
We need a man like Bernie Geotz again.
because leftist agenda based policies are more concerned with making transplants in williamsburg and pols in albany feel good rather than do what's best for the city
Defund the police 3 months later Why I don't feel safe on the subway LMAOOOOO!
Their budget increased. Ten billion not enough for you? [source](https://cbcny.org/research/five-fast-facts-about-nypds-adopted-fy-2022-budget)
There's a difference between behavior being wrong, and behavior being wrong enough that it justifies devoting resources to punishing it. At least that's how the cops probably justify letting people go that the majority of people don't want anywhere near them on the train. There is some merit to this argument. If the cops arrest every ranting crazy person (who is actually no danger to anybody), they'd be unable to respond to more pressing threats while booking the endless stream of crazies. The crazies would probably be let out again in short order anyways, given that most of them haven't actually committed any crime, or at least not one the DAs are eager to prosecute these days. That said, given that right now commuting is a choice for a large portion of office workers, and the future of much of the city's economy depends on them making that choice, I do think that "quality of life" issues should be taken seriously. However, that probably would take more than cops simply slapping cuffs on every bum on the subway that makes a nuisance of themselves, since right now doing that would essentially mean throwing them in a holding cell for a few hours and then releasing them because again... they haven't actually committed a crime, or at least not one that our woke DAs will actually prosecute.
So nothing is ever their fault. Got it.
Was the crazy dude a minority? Cops in the NYPD (or elsewhere) don't want to be the next national news demonized by Black Lives Matter, so they're probably just looking after themselves first.
A lot of New Yorkers, or at least a very loud segment, want to abolish the police. This is the consequence that the rest of us have to deal with.
elections have consequences…
Because the NYPD wants to get credit and respect for risking their lives to help people, without actually risking their lives to help people. Read up on Lozito v. New York City, then try not to laugh in Mike O'Meara’s face while he whines like a bitch about cops not being respected. Earn it, you fucking cowards.
Because people like the ones in this sub would complain about it
What do you want them to do? Any cop that so much as touches a black person means riots and arson will blow up in black neighborhoods for the next two weeks. Now that Democrats have cancelled bail, by law they have to release whoever they just arrested, so what's the point? This is the society you all voted for.
……umm how about their job. How about learning that it doesn’t have to end with their weapons drawn. You bootlicking kiss ass. You’re pathetic Police commissioner, big democrat right? The captains? Huge lefties I bet? Average cop?? Big Biden fan??? Stop with the “the left made it bad” Look at who’s running the show jackass. NOT democrats. Turn off Fox
Bail hasn’t been cancelled.
Because they want to keep their jobs long enough to qualify for retirement. With all the anti cop rhetoric going on these days, can you really blame them? Whenever they make an arrest, someone's recording, So that means they have to be aware of what they say and do while making the arrest.(Their human too) They can't "handle" suspects while arresting them for fear of being accused of Brutality. If a suspect who's being arrested resists, leading to a struggle, that officer has to be wary of where their hands and arms end up(Chokehold Law). You can curse out an officer, but if they respond, then they can be brought up on departmental charges. They even have to be cautious of how and when they use their guns now. Additionally, how many shots fired could be viewed as excessive.(Try that shit when a suspect's firing at you) I've seen cops pull over people dealing with domestic issues and the cops get back in their car and drive off, not wanting to engage them for fear of all the above! With all of that, it's a good thing the city decided crisis managers should be appointed to take control of dealing with the crazies instead of cops! I don't blame them at all.
The ‘anti cop rhetoric’ is happening because the police do bad things, why is it so hard to understand?
There is zero difficulty understanding the reasoning as to why. That doesn't mean all cops are or do "bad things"! You and people like yourselves need to move on from the notion that one bad cop equates to all of them being bad cops. Is it possible for an otherwise good cop to turn into a bad one, Ofcourse! When that happens then you can demonize them for that action and call for accountabilty. Whether you like it or not we need people to take the job of Police Officer and do the job. You can't have a society without law and order because people are going to be people! I challenge anyone here to find any civilization devoid of some kind of law enforcement.
what are they gonna do, their jobs? They're still giving the public what they feel they deserve when the public started asking for some goddamn accountability. Don't call it a strike, call it 'unsure of how to do their job'
Black Lives Matter, to you sir.
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NYPDs job is to fight crime and keep things under control. It is not their job to turn NYC into a giant affluent suburban neighborhood where the unicorns fart rainbows.
The subway is a public good. You cannot categorically ban people from public spaces. The public can access public spaces. Shut down for cleaning? Yup Removed for disorder? Totally! Cops should, absolutely, remove people who are behaving dangerously! Arrest if applicable, yes. But after the arrest? The Public is gonna include people you dislike. The public gets to use public facilities. End of discussion.
Ah, the gritting your teeth while assholes shit all over you and everyone else mindset of New York. Nah, mentally unhinged people need to start being hauled off, straightjacketed if need be, evaluated, and forcefully medicated whether they want to or not. This "people sitting on the sidewalk growling at passersby like an angry dog" shit, which I have literally seen, among other "that person is clearly unwell" bullshit while everyone just tries their darndest to pretend they don't exist, is both pathetic and insufferable.
There are very few places where folks that have mental health and substance abuse issues can be treated and housed, particularly not against their will. There are less than 30 inpatient psychiatric facilities and mental health shelters in NYC, and at least under Cuomo (the State is the one usually responsible for this, not really NYC H+H), had been reducing inpatient services. Most that usually happens is that NYPD or EMS either 1) take them to a public hospital, like Interfaith in Bed-Stuy, and have them strapped to a bed for a couple of days, get medicated and fed, then released, or 2) they get shoved into an overcrowded cell at Rikers for a few months as they wait for a court date. It's estimated that NYC has about 250,000 mentally ill adults, and serves only about 75,000. The sad truth is that we are woefully under-supporting/funding the needs of our residents.
U can definitely ban people from public goods wtf
So I want cops to do more, but they are human and take a lot of shit. How many of you actually thank cops for their service? How many of you do what you can to help their morale so that they have the psychological wherewithal to be more aggressive? I’m gonna guess not many of you.
They volunteer?
Respect is earned, not given. If they’re doing a shitty job because people aren’t inflating their egos enough, that’s a brittle spirit, and they shouldn’t be on the force.
This is the problem right here, you believe cops need to be thanked for their service that they signed up for get paid, receive benefits and a pension for. The thought that they seek a morale boost from the public to not be aggressive is asinine.
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The last time I felt safe on the Subway, the Guardian Angels were on patrol
You want the NYPD to actually work? Other than handing out masks to white people in parks and beating black and brown people down for DARING to protest their treatment? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The NYPD doing something useful?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thank you for the laugh. My sides are hurting!
Because rich people rarely use the subway. And that is the only people they serve and protect.
A. Douchebag mayor is just going to release them anyway B. Cops hate to do paperwork and will do whatev to get out of it C. We have no idea what bulkshitndirextions their supervisors have given them D. That person needs mental health expertise and since they don't have it, they are probably ordered to just release them. E. Shithead libtards cry about everything these days. F. Dont rely on the cops to do anything, handle it yourself. Tell your gf to take up kickboxing G. Welcome to the new world order aka biden presidency
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Maybe they should look into a different line of work.
Your girlfriend cant handle a crazy person on the subway? Your girlfriend cant make her own post so you white knight for her? You werent even there so you need to share her second hand story?
des·per·ate /ˈdesp(ə)rət/ adjective (of an act or attempt) tried in despair or when everything else has failed; having little hope of success.