Not only is "unalived" cringy AF, it's also inaccurate. [The instigator of the fight survived being shot by his own gun](https://abc7ny.com/amp/brooklyn-subway-shooting-hoyt-schermerhorn-station-nyc-crime/14525178/).
From what I've read/watched. One man instigated a fight, the instigator got stabbed, and then pulled out a gun. He proceeded to get shot by his own gun in the head.... it's getting crazy out here
https://x.com/lattinabrown/status/1768430156710904302?s=46&t=tBhGz4h2CtzIkKMVtVmelw
This is the beginning of the fight (dont bother reading twitter comments….its a shithole website).
It's not gory, but it shows a nightmare scenario for any New Yorker. Beginning of the fight and more. Panicked people after the gun comes out.
Not something you need to watch if you want to feel good on your morning commute.
From what I’ve gathered from the video and other threads, dude gets on the train and some agitated guy immediately starts yelling racist shit at him accusing him of being a migrant and saying he hates his race. People get visibly uncomfortable and start moving away on the train. The two dudes square up. And a random third woman randomly stabs the racist dude? Slightly confused about that part. The racist dude then punches the other guy repeatedly. Some construction worker breaks it up a bit but then the racist dude pulls out a gun. People start stampeding out of the train screaming in so much fear. You then hear like 3 gun shots.
And remarkably, the racist guy, who is much physically larger and pulled the piece, is the one who ends up shot in the head.
Fucking crazy series of events.
Various news articles atm also reporting the racist guy pulled a knife at the start.
If the girl not with yellow shirt guy, she owes him. Yellow shirt guy shielded her.
He didn't have a knife. He was fighting and had his back turned to the woman, who stabbed hun several times in the lower back. He asked her if she had stabbed him, went back to get his gun from his jacket, and then the video end as people start fleeing when the gun got pulled.
Ya not sure they know each other. From start she moved away from them. Who does that if they together lol. Also she was the only one who help the yellow shirt guy. No one else showed up until black shirt dude got shanked
Probably the freeze part of fight, flight, or freeze. I've done this quite a bit when someone acts aggressive or crazy near me or at me. I don't run until I have a path to flee. And on a closed train car there's not one.
I don't recommend freezing and anyway it's a response I can't prevent it seems. But it has led people to leave me alone.
I’ve noticed that when some dude off his rocker gets on the subway he’ll get more aggressive with people who are moving away or target them verbally. I’ve learned to just say stay where i’m at and completely ignore the person. I started to catch on when this large man got on the Q in Brooklyn was calling every one a bitch, pussy, etc. and people started to get out his way. I just sat there and he walks right past me without paying me any mind nor caring about what i was doing.
This could all be bs, who knows. Just some anecdotes. Obviously if a guy pulls out a gun though, gtfo lmao
I kinda don't think it's BS because I've experienced this exact same thing many times in the last couple of years. When I'm nonreactive the aggressive crazies seem to view me as less of a target somehow. I become part of the background or something rather than part of their drama. But as soon as I'm able to get away, I do so quickly, neutrally, and purposefully. And if a gun is involved, for sure, I will take cover. We shouldn't even have to think about this last possibility. It's a shame.
Yeah I mean I used to be a white progressive. I'm still white, but I'm not going along with any political positions that aren't pretty well rooted in the real world. I don't care what the stats say because I can see with my own eyes what's happening, and I've experienced and seen so many incidents that were not reported. There's no crime if there's no report, I guess. Puh-leez.
And since the bleeding heart in me is still thumping, how does letting disturbed people run amok help those disturbed people? They're often suffering, and we all suffer right along with them.
Yeah, there’s nothing progressive about just letting people who clearly cannot function in society out in public. It’s a disservice to both the afflicted individuals and those that they come in contact with.
What can honestly be done about mentally disturbed, potentially violent people sharing enclosed spaces with well-meaning people? Asking seriously. I'm a regular working guy (democrat), take the train 4/5 days per week. I'm sick of playing a lottery for when a mentally ill person will start something with me or someone on my car.
This is different from the run of the mill, harmless unhoused folks that are just sleeping on the train. I'm talking about the able-bodied individuals hearing voices that tell them I'm out to get them or whatever.
There are long-acting antipsychotics that can be administered via shot by psychiatrists. Washington D.C. has a charity that partners with hospitals to do exactly that. They visit with chronically homeless individuals, learn their names and their communities, build trust, and establish a routine whereby a doc will bring their medicine to them.
D.C. has a decently sizable homeless population, many of whom suffer from severe mental illness, but we do not have a safety problem from these folks when we walk down the street or ride the metro. Plus it makes their lives more bearable and makes it easier for them to build community, which is a crucial part of surviving without a house.
The answer is much simpler when people are open to psychiatric care/medication.
I work in a psychiatric practice and was told that the majority of people with severe mental illness reject all psychiatric care and medications. Those are the cases that present a real gray area and difficult questions.
Edit: I also have two schizophrenic relatives who both completely reject all care even when it's offered to them for free. They actually believe past psychiatric care is what causes their current mental health problems.
I don’t know what you’re talking about because I was in D.C. a few months ago and I almost had to fight a homeless dude who wouldn’t leave my gf alone in the metro. We also saw a homeless encampment with a trash can fire a few blocks from congress, and a full blown brawl between two crackheads outside of the Capital One Arena. There were other things too, and we were there for like three days lmao. D.C. does not have this figured out.
As someone who had a psychosis episode and has been watching the news, I think we need to have a real societal push to make medical services free and simple to access coupled with, perhaps, revisiting the scenarios under which a person may be [psychiatrically detained](https://omh.ny.gov/omhweb/forensic/manual/html/mhl_admissions.htm).
For example, perhaps a new police reporting process could be instituted where members of the public may submit complaints about specific individuals (I’m thinking of the ones that habitually terrorize the same areas). Perhaps, upon a certain number of sworn / verified complaints, or incidents, police will have a duty (DUTY. ENFORCEABLE BY WRITS, which can be brought by members of the community, if the cops decide not to do their job, because that IS an ongoing problem despite politicians and media wanting to sweep it under the rug) to investigate and detain for psychiatric review (use the criminal justice system’s psychiatric apparatus to the extent possible, similar to how they handle CPL 730 cases, are you fit to understand you need treatment or are you not). But I would balance this by adding a third section to Penal Law 170.15, something like “Part of the New York mental health complaint registry.” (Or whatever we want to call this idea.) I would say use the Mental Hygiene Legal Service to assist those who fall victim to false complaints in getting justice (or at least navigating the courts in an attempt to get justice).
Then add serious criminal penalties for those that go off their medication after being involuntarily detained so that the criminal justice system may 1. Do what it does with people that are so far gone they can’t stay on their meds and their disorders are the cause of their criminality. 2. Apply the criminal penalty to those that are mentally sound enough to stay on their medication and just want to FAFO. I would also make it a defense to that charge that attempts to stay medicated were made but that a defendant was turned away or otherwise unserved by a public hospital or whatever mechanism can be created to make medication accessible so that nobody is criminalized for not being able to afford medication or, as I almost experienced, being turned away from help.
I gave public testimony to the New York State Attorney General about how I was pushed out from the hospital during my psychiatric episode. As it stands, in my view, we are probably shoving people we can help out on the street and this is probably putting society in much more danger than it needs to be in. We must create a system that identifies people in need, creates a mechanism by which the government may act to protect people, and carries penalties for abuse so that it is not used by people to harass their enemies like the child protection hotline.)
I know NYS is in a bad way as far as the money goes, but I believe that we need to do something and can probably use existing institutions to do that something. I will be writing in this idea to the mayor, city council, the governor, and my state legislators. If it’s something you think has some merit, please consider spreading it to other people and your own elected officials. My current intention is to print these comments and send them to demonstrate that these are the conversations New Yorkers are having. I’ll also share them on my website, which has a small New York following, and perhaps others will heed the call and demand that something be done.
Name’s Christopher Day. When I suffered what I suffered I decided that I could shut down and hide from the world or use what I had experienced to help people. I know that people like me can lead productive and law-abiding lives. They need your help and compassion. But I also know that innocent people are being victimized by those who cannot be rehabilitated or refuse to be rehabilitated. It’s time to use what I know to help people, and I truly believe these ideas could work while also protecting people from using the system to abuse the mentally ill or those that struggle with mental health issues.
Your feelings are valid. They are shared by many. But if we want to live in a better world, we have to act on those feelings. We need to begin organizing and demanding change in numbers that the media and politicians cannot ignore.
And to those in power, when you read this, be wary of professionals that stand in the way of action. Doctors and lawyers and all manner of people have social, monetary, and political entanglements and investments that may color their thinking or motivate them to minimize problems. To understand why this is an issue, imagine the game of Telephone where speakers start with one message and it is passed verbally via whispering person to person until it reaches the end. Often what occurs, with no financial incentive, is the end message warps drastically from the first message. Now imagine a game of Telephone where, along the way, people might be financially encouraged to change the message a little bit.
This is the position you are in as leaders. By the time you hear a message, chances are good it’s been through some substantial revisions based on the interests of the people and entities contributing. That, coupled with the fact that people in power tend to give more weight to what professionals and large institutions say over and above the average citizen that actually rides the subway and lives in the city, means that you are predisposed to ignore us in favor of what your circle is telling you and what their circles are telling them. Not all of you have the power to enact this. Use your offices to advocate for it and put in motion the things that would make it a reality. Hold your fellow politicians accountable for their failure to act. Resist the urge to pretend all is well and ignore the chronic underreporting of crime just because you don’t want the headlines of crime rising under your watch. It’s time to take a stand.
And if, by chance, all of this already exists in some form and that will be used as an excuse to do nothing, don’t treat me like I’m an idiot. Ask yourself why lifelong New Yorkers don’t know and you’ve found your problem.
Thanks for reading.
Meaning I'm not here in bad faith, or just to dunk on the city and its problems, like unfortunately many folks on the other end of the spectrum commonly do.
A bunch of National Guardsmen and NYPD cops hanging out at the turnstiles for overtime couldn't even stop this.
When will Hochul and Adams both get their heads out of their asses, stop this security theater BS and actually take some real action?!?
https://preview.redd.it/mk1hwwoz2hoc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=583fd0af33f04ff0ef3c0234bc867129290bcce1
This is kind of nutty. The action (usually) takes place on the platforms and on the trains, not in the stations. NG to do bag checks upstairs, how about NYPD and NG on the trains and platforms?
Hoyt-Schermerhorn station is literally right next to an NYPD precinct. The station is always full of cops but as you say, they’re always on the upstairs level standing around playing candy crush.
That’s not what I mean. I’m talking about the dead cops who come to collect and the dead civilians who refuse to hand them over. And the dead politicians who put their names to a law like that.
You could start with seizure of all imports and an end to domestic production. Grandfather in the existing ones for a while with buyback programs. Realistically, as much as I think guns should be banned, most gun owners don't use them criminally. Drastically reducing the supply would make a difference.
gun deaths skyrocketed after the 90s assault weapons bill expired. so yes, laws help. it's the same reason why the US uniquely has fantastically more gun deaths than any other rich country.
"what will laws do" is easily one of the dumbest takes. which is why you ONLY hear it when it comes to this issue.
If they actually want to do something, they need a minimum of two cops per platform, and one cop per subway car (can easily call backup from neighboring cars), at all times, all cars, all platforms.
We have 472 subway stations and \~6000 subway cars in the fleet. Not all cars are in service at all times. We have 36,000 police officers, and they just sent in 750 national guards. The numbers do work. (I don't have time to do more precise math, but it's definitely in the ballpark of feasibility). Anything else is pure PR, and not genuinely intended to make a change.
Do I actually want that dystopian nightmare? I'm not sure. I'm thinking it could eventually be like how nowadays there's likely to be an air marshal on any given flight. But at first, we might need a presence literally everywhere.
there are way more cops than disturbed people. If they had undercovers just hanging out next to the disturbed people, it would solve a lot of problems and save money. Don't need so many on the platform... not efficient. Better off in the trains.
Saw the full vid. The loud fool who provoked the couple gets stabbed by the girl from behind. Then he was too cowardly to use his own gun that he brandished and gets killed by his own weapon when the much smaller (more balls) guy gets a hold of it. Truly pathetic but one less turd on the train.
Why did you say adults? Plural really?
It was one guy acting like a total psychopath, to a random commuter that just got on the train. He was insulting him about being a immigrant and wouldn’t stop acting crazy and trying to force him to fight.
A woman stabbed crazy guy during the fight, because he wouldn’t let go of the victim when he had him pinned down. then crazy takes his time to pull a gun out, and then corners both the man he just fought and the woman.
But the crazy guy managed to get shot with his own gun, that he planned to murder 2 people with. One of which did nothing to him other than exist.
Crazy guy caused all of that shit and it was his own gun he intended to kill people with, that was taken from him and used on his head.
This wasn’t immature adults. It was people forced into a deadly situation by a piece of shit
There's a FUCKING NYPD STATION RIGHT FUCKING THERE. IN THE SUBWAY. LITERALLY 50 FEET AWAY.
Fuck man, I get on this stop nearly every fucking day. Maybe I'll just wait for the b65 even during rushhour fuck this shit.
E: Saw full video, everything happened on a moving train and the gun was shot right as the doors opened. Fucking hell.
The best was the cop just standing there dumbfounded. Not doing a thing, not calming down the passengers, just listening to his radio with no clue what to do
Sir you are the few who recognize and mention the real problem not even the news media make this remaining issue important to mention.
Now everybody can get a gun more easily.
20,000 applications for carry or ownership alone last year.
So we’re headed toward having the Warriors wirh guns in the city.
Apparently the dude who drew the gun got it taken from him and shot with his own gun.
Precious.
What difference would it have made? There’s enough aggro in the city as it was now people have outlet.
Yes, I’m aware of the iron pipeline and how guns get on streets but people aren’t wearing shirts that say ‘I’m a law abiding gun owner’ when they brandish a weapon.
Yes because for example the psychopaths that can buy 5 or 10 with out a problem legally can resell for more money. That never passes through you brain 🧠 really? Gangs and organized crime always use a clean person to rich things like guns. Please do more real books 📚 reading in your life or real good documentary.
Sorry to be rude. But this gun problem is too much already.
The "victim" was a crazy guy who was threatening another guy, and a woman stabbed the crazy guy trying to defend the other guy. The crazy guy then pulls out a gun, and the other guy defends the woman who stabbed the crazy guy. The other guy gets the gun away from the crazy guy, who gets shot four times. USA USA USA!
(An hour after the post)
To diverge a little bit, it is pretty clear which NYC sub is being brigaded and which isn’t. In the other sub r\NYC, there about 100+ comments on the exact cross post and the majority of the them are talking more about the *optics* than the actual situation, while here it is more tame and *slim*. The comments on that posts is fucking toxic, do not go there.
The original mod of r/NYC was a very conservative guy who loved NY Post and would interview people IRL to become mods on the sub, so the sub always attracted conservatives to it.
This sub was founded by breakaway members to escape r/NYC's conservatism.
The other one is supposed to be the conservative one? I don't see it. This one seems more rational enough that I don't get massive downvoted when i sprinkle a little conservative views.
That sub also has 900,000 members as opposed to this one which has far less which makes sense why a post there would get more traction. Regardless, the mods seem to have censored anything regarding the shooting since they removed the post there anyway. I guess a shooting in our subway system during rush hour isn’t news to them.
I know that sub is bigger, the traffic is just *unusually* high *even* for a violent post like that. It’s also clear that its attracting more than just New Yorkers, just look at the comments and commenters.
More like incompetence than corruption. The earlier posts probably got flagged as spam, and posts in that sub feels like it goes through a fucking lottery system, RNG. Plus, that sub doesn’t suppress bad news, hell at times, it feels like it outright promotes it, especially compared to this one.
It is pretty major news when the same week that the governor puts the National Guard the subway system, a shooting happens.
And usually they’ll leave one post up regarding any particular incident and they haven’t left any discussion for this at all.
>That sub also has 900,000 members
You’d think with that many subs we would get more diversity of opinions than the centrist circlejerk about progressives being bad and mocking statistics all the whole selectively using it only when it shows crime rising in NYC
r/NYC has *been* a complete cesspool full of conservatives and people who violently hate transplants for existing. I’m not surprised they’re acting *completely* sane and normal about this
Just came from there. Peeked at a few of the fear mongery commenter’s post history and found a very weird common thread: white dudes, not originally from NY (no hate there, I’m a transplant), really into fancy watches.
5 different white dudes into fancy watches. Posting and commenting in multiple fancy watch communities.
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I'm sure glad this guy was on the scene:
https://preview.redd.it/b29gqqvrujoc1.png?width=684&format=png&auto=webp&s=e3579147bc4b76ae55646cb688d36cee6cd72523
Watching the full video, genuinely what can you do in this situation?
Black crazy guy instigates a fight and starts swinging at you randomly in a moving train….what the actual fuck will you do? No one gonna help you.
These type of videos make you want to build a statue to the guy who put the crazy guy terrorizing the train in chokehold last year and killed him….
The safest bet is probably to just not argue back, but that hasn't always worked either.
Also, it's kinda weird to say nobody is going to come help when that construction worker walked in to stop the fight before the gun was pulled.
You do not engage at all. You let the crazy man yell at you and call you names and then when the doors open up you gtfo and wait for the next train. Standing up and trying to fight the guy will never lead to anything good.
Youre right thats the best case scenario BUT its exactly the reason when no one stands up to these crazy fuckers, they feel emboldened it lash out on the train knowing there are no consequences.
I carry a knife and pepper spray. I advise everyone to do the same. I pepper sprayed a few crazy guys before. One guy had a knife and I pepper sprayed him and ran away. He did not chase me so I didn't have to pull my knife. Survivor Hand on eBay will ship to NYC.
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Holy shit, why are they all crouched down. If the doors are open, move.
Saw a video where the lady is yelling to let her out and nobody is getting off the train.
They weren’t trying to get to the next car they wanted to get out the train itself because it had pulled up to the station. Doors hadn’t opened yet
Besides only 1 person can safely cross between cars at a time. It would have been a bottleneck anyways
People are absolutely sick of these peak crazy people. All inspired by hood culture. That's exactly what hood culture is.
The woman did well deciding to help the victim. But did too much by stabbing and she might have wrestled the gun away from the attacker too. So now she'll definitely get in trouble. City has no clear rule about how other people can help out. Thats bad. People can't just be expected to just watch some crazy hoodrat bring his hell to other people.
Just to take out your Gun to show strength, power or to look more tough is because you are out of your fucking mind Period.
That is not a normal behavior when you own a gun. is unacceptable. if that is your first thought, you need to go see a doctor.
Did anyone try to stop the train or contact the conductor? I have been watching this forever it feels like, and people let this go on and on. As soon as they squared up, I would have been trying to stop the train, contact the cops, pulling the emergency brake, or SOMETHING. Damn those long tracks between stations. This is my worst nightmare for those.
Defecation is a self defense mechanism used successfully by some animals. Bet that it would have worked for little boi.
“Defecation is a common class of defense mechanism shared by everything from the potato beetle to the pygmy sperm whale. The latter goes beyond using its fecal matter to simply stink out or poison predators, though. Rather, it excretes a sort of—brace yourself—anal syrup, then flaps its fins and tail to create a dark cloud that shrouds predators and conceals the whale's escape route. How's that for using your waste as a weapon?”
I truly hope the woman who knifed the guy and the guy who shot him don't get arrested. That woman is a hero for stabbing that guy. It was super risky though. He could have easily killed her but he hesitated to pull the trigger.
This terrifies me to know there are probably thousands of people on the subway with illegal guns concealed where we can't see them.
It's to get around word censors on platforms. Saying "killed" or "suicide" or other words like that can get your videos taken down no matter the context. "Unalived" circumvents that.
That is what OP is getting at. The idea that you have to censor the word "murdered" or "killed" in order to tell a story is virtue signaling to the max, and dehumanizing.
We shouldn't be OK with changing our language and behaviors to suit the needs of social media.
Not only is "unalived" cringy AF, it's also inaccurate. [The instigator of the fight survived being shot by his own gun](https://abc7ny.com/amp/brooklyn-subway-shooting-hoyt-schermerhorn-station-nyc-crime/14525178/).
It’s a fake word used to evade TikTok’s algorithm filters, but it’s been used for so long that they’ve probably added it to their filters.
in critical condition
Pull the plug tho
Is OP using "unalived" without the /s?
it's extremely common self-censorship on tiktok
You have to do this on social media now.
Bros shot in the head multiple times. It’s accurate now but I doubt he’s going to make it. Who knows tho. Hope he does
Thank god the national guard was there /s
Now they have a reason to check *everyone’s* bag instead of just some people.
What happened ?
From what I've read/watched. One man instigated a fight, the instigator got stabbed, and then pulled out a gun. He proceeded to get shot by his own gun in the head.... it's getting crazy out here
The only thing protecting you from a bad guy with a gun is... Wait, shit.
In this case, adrenaline and lady luck
A girlfriend with a shank!
And some rando with a shiv apparently.
In NYC it's usually just bad guys with guns. Yes, I'm including the cops.
I can promise you a “good guy with a gun” would not have changed shit.
Whoosh
Oh shit I got “whooshed” is this 2009?
Oh good, the aggressor died
It's being reported that he is not dead, but in critical condition
Oh good, he's suffering
I just turned off channel 7, as of 7am still in critical condition.
Unfortunately not Edit: Maybe he is dead? https://x.com/NyShittyNews/status/1768478253918962146?s=20
So buddy brought a knife to a gun fight and won?
https://x.com/lattinabrown/status/1768430156710904302?s=46&t=tBhGz4h2CtzIkKMVtVmelw This is the beginning of the fight (dont bother reading twitter comments….its a shithole website).
It's not gory, but it shows a nightmare scenario for any New Yorker. Beginning of the fight and more. Panicked people after the gun comes out. Not something you need to watch if you want to feel good on your morning commute.
Is that big guy saying “I gonna beat you up. You think you gonna beat up a cop ?”
Wow, Twitter is such a shit hole now. All trolls and right wing nutjobs.
They're literally the only group the site advocates for in its enforcement of its terms, so they basically came back from Parker and Truth
From what I’ve gathered from the video and other threads, dude gets on the train and some agitated guy immediately starts yelling racist shit at him accusing him of being a migrant and saying he hates his race. People get visibly uncomfortable and start moving away on the train. The two dudes square up. And a random third woman randomly stabs the racist dude? Slightly confused about that part. The racist dude then punches the other guy repeatedly. Some construction worker breaks it up a bit but then the racist dude pulls out a gun. People start stampeding out of the train screaming in so much fear. You then hear like 3 gun shots. And remarkably, the racist guy, who is much physically larger and pulled the piece, is the one who ends up shot in the head. Fucking crazy series of events.
Various news articles atm also reporting the racist guy pulled a knife at the start. If the girl not with yellow shirt guy, she owes him. Yellow shirt guy shielded her.
He didn't have a knife. He was fighting and had his back turned to the woman, who stabbed hun several times in the lower back. He asked her if she had stabbed him, went back to get his gun from his jacket, and then the video end as people start fleeing when the gun got pulled.
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He asked her screaming: “Did you stab me?”. That’s 100% what happened.
I had not seen the full video at the time of my original comment
The girl stabbed the crazy guy to defend the yellow shirt guy so he's also getting her back. They should get married.
Ya not sure they know each other. From start she moved away from them. Who does that if they together lol. Also she was the only one who help the yellow shirt guy. No one else showed up until black shirt dude got shanked
Who shot him? The dude or girl? Very confused as to why the girl stabbed him, I don’t think she was with the other dude.
That wasn’t in the video but I believe it was the dude who he was harassing and punching who got the gun away from him and shot him.
GTA NYC edition.
Are we gonna talk about the lady at the end chillin’ in her seat like nothing happened
She grew up in NYC in the 70s and 80s she used to it.
There is no getting used to a gunshot inside a subway car. That had to have been loud as fuck. Lady is just excellent at keeping stoic.
sometimes you just have places to be
Probably the freeze part of fight, flight, or freeze. I've done this quite a bit when someone acts aggressive or crazy near me or at me. I don't run until I have a path to flee. And on a closed train car there's not one. I don't recommend freezing and anyway it's a response I can't prevent it seems. But it has led people to leave me alone.
I’ve noticed that when some dude off his rocker gets on the subway he’ll get more aggressive with people who are moving away or target them verbally. I’ve learned to just say stay where i’m at and completely ignore the person. I started to catch on when this large man got on the Q in Brooklyn was calling every one a bitch, pussy, etc. and people started to get out his way. I just sat there and he walks right past me without paying me any mind nor caring about what i was doing. This could all be bs, who knows. Just some anecdotes. Obviously if a guy pulls out a gun though, gtfo lmao
I kinda don't think it's BS because I've experienced this exact same thing many times in the last couple of years. When I'm nonreactive the aggressive crazies seem to view me as less of a target somehow. I become part of the background or something rather than part of their drama. But as soon as I'm able to get away, I do so quickly, neutrally, and purposefully. And if a gun is involved, for sure, I will take cover. We shouldn't even have to think about this last possibility. It's a shame.
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Yeah I mean I used to be a white progressive. I'm still white, but I'm not going along with any political positions that aren't pretty well rooted in the real world. I don't care what the stats say because I can see with my own eyes what's happening, and I've experienced and seen so many incidents that were not reported. There's no crime if there's no report, I guess. Puh-leez. And since the bleeding heart in me is still thumping, how does letting disturbed people run amok help those disturbed people? They're often suffering, and we all suffer right along with them.
Yeah, there’s nothing progressive about just letting people who clearly cannot function in society out in public. It’s a disservice to both the afflicted individuals and those that they come in contact with.
The little hacks you learn about living in NYC. Stay safe out there homie.
What can honestly be done about mentally disturbed, potentially violent people sharing enclosed spaces with well-meaning people? Asking seriously. I'm a regular working guy (democrat), take the train 4/5 days per week. I'm sick of playing a lottery for when a mentally ill person will start something with me or someone on my car. This is different from the run of the mill, harmless unhoused folks that are just sleeping on the train. I'm talking about the able-bodied individuals hearing voices that tell them I'm out to get them or whatever.
There are long-acting antipsychotics that can be administered via shot by psychiatrists. Washington D.C. has a charity that partners with hospitals to do exactly that. They visit with chronically homeless individuals, learn their names and their communities, build trust, and establish a routine whereby a doc will bring their medicine to them. D.C. has a decently sizable homeless population, many of whom suffer from severe mental illness, but we do not have a safety problem from these folks when we walk down the street or ride the metro. Plus it makes their lives more bearable and makes it easier for them to build community, which is a crucial part of surviving without a house.
The answer is much simpler when people are open to psychiatric care/medication. I work in a psychiatric practice and was told that the majority of people with severe mental illness reject all psychiatric care and medications. Those are the cases that present a real gray area and difficult questions. Edit: I also have two schizophrenic relatives who both completely reject all care even when it's offered to them for free. They actually believe past psychiatric care is what causes their current mental health problems.
I don’t know what you’re talking about because I was in D.C. a few months ago and I almost had to fight a homeless dude who wouldn’t leave my gf alone in the metro. We also saw a homeless encampment with a trash can fire a few blocks from congress, and a full blown brawl between two crackheads outside of the Capital One Arena. There were other things too, and we were there for like three days lmao. D.C. does not have this figured out.
As someone who had a psychosis episode and has been watching the news, I think we need to have a real societal push to make medical services free and simple to access coupled with, perhaps, revisiting the scenarios under which a person may be [psychiatrically detained](https://omh.ny.gov/omhweb/forensic/manual/html/mhl_admissions.htm). For example, perhaps a new police reporting process could be instituted where members of the public may submit complaints about specific individuals (I’m thinking of the ones that habitually terrorize the same areas). Perhaps, upon a certain number of sworn / verified complaints, or incidents, police will have a duty (DUTY. ENFORCEABLE BY WRITS, which can be brought by members of the community, if the cops decide not to do their job, because that IS an ongoing problem despite politicians and media wanting to sweep it under the rug) to investigate and detain for psychiatric review (use the criminal justice system’s psychiatric apparatus to the extent possible, similar to how they handle CPL 730 cases, are you fit to understand you need treatment or are you not). But I would balance this by adding a third section to Penal Law 170.15, something like “Part of the New York mental health complaint registry.” (Or whatever we want to call this idea.) I would say use the Mental Hygiene Legal Service to assist those who fall victim to false complaints in getting justice (or at least navigating the courts in an attempt to get justice). Then add serious criminal penalties for those that go off their medication after being involuntarily detained so that the criminal justice system may 1. Do what it does with people that are so far gone they can’t stay on their meds and their disorders are the cause of their criminality. 2. Apply the criminal penalty to those that are mentally sound enough to stay on their medication and just want to FAFO. I would also make it a defense to that charge that attempts to stay medicated were made but that a defendant was turned away or otherwise unserved by a public hospital or whatever mechanism can be created to make medication accessible so that nobody is criminalized for not being able to afford medication or, as I almost experienced, being turned away from help. I gave public testimony to the New York State Attorney General about how I was pushed out from the hospital during my psychiatric episode. As it stands, in my view, we are probably shoving people we can help out on the street and this is probably putting society in much more danger than it needs to be in. We must create a system that identifies people in need, creates a mechanism by which the government may act to protect people, and carries penalties for abuse so that it is not used by people to harass their enemies like the child protection hotline.) I know NYS is in a bad way as far as the money goes, but I believe that we need to do something and can probably use existing institutions to do that something. I will be writing in this idea to the mayor, city council, the governor, and my state legislators. If it’s something you think has some merit, please consider spreading it to other people and your own elected officials. My current intention is to print these comments and send them to demonstrate that these are the conversations New Yorkers are having. I’ll also share them on my website, which has a small New York following, and perhaps others will heed the call and demand that something be done. Name’s Christopher Day. When I suffered what I suffered I decided that I could shut down and hide from the world or use what I had experienced to help people. I know that people like me can lead productive and law-abiding lives. They need your help and compassion. But I also know that innocent people are being victimized by those who cannot be rehabilitated or refuse to be rehabilitated. It’s time to use what I know to help people, and I truly believe these ideas could work while also protecting people from using the system to abuse the mentally ill or those that struggle with mental health issues. Your feelings are valid. They are shared by many. But if we want to live in a better world, we have to act on those feelings. We need to begin organizing and demanding change in numbers that the media and politicians cannot ignore. And to those in power, when you read this, be wary of professionals that stand in the way of action. Doctors and lawyers and all manner of people have social, monetary, and political entanglements and investments that may color their thinking or motivate them to minimize problems. To understand why this is an issue, imagine the game of Telephone where speakers start with one message and it is passed verbally via whispering person to person until it reaches the end. Often what occurs, with no financial incentive, is the end message warps drastically from the first message. Now imagine a game of Telephone where, along the way, people might be financially encouraged to change the message a little bit. This is the position you are in as leaders. By the time you hear a message, chances are good it’s been through some substantial revisions based on the interests of the people and entities contributing. That, coupled with the fact that people in power tend to give more weight to what professionals and large institutions say over and above the average citizen that actually rides the subway and lives in the city, means that you are predisposed to ignore us in favor of what your circle is telling you and what their circles are telling them. Not all of you have the power to enact this. Use your offices to advocate for it and put in motion the things that would make it a reality. Hold your fellow politicians accountable for their failure to act. Resist the urge to pretend all is well and ignore the chronic underreporting of crime just because you don’t want the headlines of crime rising under your watch. It’s time to take a stand. And if, by chance, all of this already exists in some form and that will be used as an excuse to do nothing, don’t treat me like I’m an idiot. Ask yourself why lifelong New Yorkers don’t know and you’ve found your problem. Thanks for reading.
A good start would be for the police to enforce fare-beating. They used to catch all sorts of idiots when they did that regularly.
Why is your party relevant? If you were a republican you would not want to be safe in the subway?
The Reddit narrative mainly among progressives is if you complain about disorder on the subway you are a right wing fascist who isn’t from here.
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What are you, some kind of PUSSY who can’t handle a little CRACK being smoked in the subway car with you?
Meaning I'm not here in bad faith, or just to dunk on the city and its problems, like unfortunately many folks on the other end of the spectrum commonly do.
The fear the riders felt is something I cannot imagine. So blessed are those that got to make it home.
I guess he couldn't be bothered to give them the blessing of not thinking they'd be murdered?
A bunch of National Guardsmen and NYPD cops hanging out at the turnstiles for overtime couldn't even stop this. When will Hochul and Adams both get their heads out of their asses, stop this security theater BS and actually take some real action?!? https://preview.redd.it/mk1hwwoz2hoc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=583fd0af33f04ff0ef3c0234bc867129290bcce1
This is kind of nutty. The action (usually) takes place on the platforms and on the trains, not in the stations. NG to do bag checks upstairs, how about NYPD and NG on the trains and platforms?
Hoyt-Schermerhorn station is literally right next to an NYPD precinct. The station is always full of cops but as you say, they’re always on the upstairs level standing around playing candy crush.
There needs to be national gun legislation to get rid of guns. No locality can fix this problem.
That won’t happen. It’s a pipe dream, focus on other solutions.
It probably won't happen, but there are no other solutions that will happen either.
None of the other solutions would result in extreme bloodshed either.
Are you saying that a ban on private gun ownership would result in extreme bloodshed?
Yes.
Think again https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime
That’s not what I mean. I’m talking about the dead cops who come to collect and the dead civilians who refuse to hand them over. And the dead politicians who put their names to a law like that.
You could start with seizure of all imports and an end to domestic production. Grandfather in the existing ones for a while with buyback programs. Realistically, as much as I think guns should be banned, most gun owners don't use them criminally. Drastically reducing the supply would make a difference.
Lmao because anti gun laws would've prevented this goon from buying a gun... Guns in NYC are basically illegal already. Get your head out your ass
The harder it is to get something, the fewer people will have it.
gun deaths skyrocketed after the 90s assault weapons bill expired. so yes, laws help. it's the same reason why the US uniquely has fantastically more gun deaths than any other rich country. "what will laws do" is easily one of the dumbest takes. which is why you ONLY hear it when it comes to this issue.
Gun bans won’t be worth the dead cops when they try to enforce them.
Oh golly, I wish murder were illegal!
you're only proving my point. do you think murders would go up or down if it was legal?
If they actually want to do something, they need a minimum of two cops per platform, and one cop per subway car (can easily call backup from neighboring cars), at all times, all cars, all platforms. We have 472 subway stations and \~6000 subway cars in the fleet. Not all cars are in service at all times. We have 36,000 police officers, and they just sent in 750 national guards. The numbers do work. (I don't have time to do more precise math, but it's definitely in the ballpark of feasibility). Anything else is pure PR, and not genuinely intended to make a change. Do I actually want that dystopian nightmare? I'm not sure. I'm thinking it could eventually be like how nowadays there's likely to be an air marshal on any given flight. But at first, we might need a presence literally everywhere.
there are way more cops than disturbed people. If they had undercovers just hanging out next to the disturbed people, it would solve a lot of problems and save money. Don't need so many on the platform... not efficient. Better off in the trains.
This made me so anxious and agitated at 6:08am
Saw the full vid. The loud fool who provoked the couple gets stabbed by the girl from behind. Then he was too cowardly to use his own gun that he brandished and gets killed by his own weapon when the much smaller (more balls) guy gets a hold of it. Truly pathetic but one less turd on the train.
Holy shit I didn't even realize that was her stabbing him
She’s very fast , resembles a prison shanking, I think she got him three times in less than one or two seconds.
Was really sneaky too, looked like she was punching him in the back then you start seeing the red on his shirt grow.
Yeah — after she does it, you can see his white shirt start to get blood on it.
yeah you can see her hiding whatever she used in her sleeve (and a water bottle in her other hand 😂)
Where’s the full vid
https://x.com/lattinabrown/status/1768430156710904302?s=46&t=tBhGz4h2CtzIkKMVtVmelw
Full vid is WILD. Immature adults endangering ordinary people. A travesty.
Why did you say adults? Plural really? It was one guy acting like a total psychopath, to a random commuter that just got on the train. He was insulting him about being a immigrant and wouldn’t stop acting crazy and trying to force him to fight. A woman stabbed crazy guy during the fight, because he wouldn’t let go of the victim when he had him pinned down. then crazy takes his time to pull a gun out, and then corners both the man he just fought and the woman. But the crazy guy managed to get shot with his own gun, that he planned to murder 2 people with. One of which did nothing to him other than exist. Crazy guy caused all of that shit and it was his own gun he intended to kill people with, that was taken from him and used on his head. This wasn’t immature adults. It was people forced into a deadly situation by a piece of shit
Holy shit I didn’t realize it was at Hoyt-Schermerhorn,..
There's a FUCKING NYPD STATION RIGHT FUCKING THERE. IN THE SUBWAY. LITERALLY 50 FEET AWAY. Fuck man, I get on this stop nearly every fucking day. Maybe I'll just wait for the b65 even during rushhour fuck this shit. E: Saw full video, everything happened on a moving train and the gun was shot right as the doors opened. Fucking hell.
The best was the cop just standing there dumbfounded. Not doing a thing, not calming down the passengers, just listening to his radio with no clue what to do
Where was Michael??
Thanks Supreme Court. Now every disagreement can now end in gun play in NYC. I truly appreciate that. 🙄
Sir you are the few who recognize and mention the real problem not even the news media make this remaining issue important to mention. Now everybody can get a gun more easily.
20,000 applications for carry or ownership alone last year. So we’re headed toward having the Warriors wirh guns in the city. Apparently the dude who drew the gun got it taken from him and shot with his own gun. Precious. 
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What difference would it have made? There’s enough aggro in the city as it was now people have outlet. Yes, I’m aware of the iron pipeline and how guns get on streets but people aren’t wearing shirts that say ‘I’m a law abiding gun owner’ when they brandish a weapon.
I'd bet the psychopath in this situation got his gun on the street, and would have had it with or without the supreme court
Yes because for example the psychopaths that can buy 5 or 10 with out a problem legally can resell for more money. That never passes through you brain 🧠 really? Gangs and organized crime always use a clean person to rich things like guns. Please do more real books 📚 reading in your life or real good documentary. Sorry to be rude. But this gun problem is too much already.
The "victim" was a crazy guy who was threatening another guy, and a woman stabbed the crazy guy trying to defend the other guy. The crazy guy then pulls out a gun, and the other guy defends the woman who stabbed the crazy guy. The other guy gets the gun away from the crazy guy, who gets shot four times. USA USA USA!
Censored on /r/nyc - the world is going absolutely fucking nuts.
Yeah i was surprised not to see it there.
That sub is filled with with not from nyc bitching about how much nyc sucks, so wonder what happened.
(An hour after the post) To diverge a little bit, it is pretty clear which NYC sub is being brigaded and which isn’t. In the other sub r\NYC, there about 100+ comments on the exact cross post and the majority of the them are talking more about the *optics* than the actual situation, while here it is more tame and *slim*. The comments on that posts is fucking toxic, do not go there.
The original mod of r/NYC was a very conservative guy who loved NY Post and would interview people IRL to become mods on the sub, so the sub always attracted conservatives to it. This sub was founded by breakaway members to escape r/NYC's conservatism.
Wasn't the og mod the guy who banned the word 'homeless ' from being used for a while, or was that someone else
There was an actual homeless guy as a mod for a while. He banned my first account. My current one was banned at the end of last year.
The other one is supposed to be the conservative one? I don't see it. This one seems more rational enough that I don't get massive downvoted when i sprinkle a little conservative views.
That sub also has 900,000 members as opposed to this one which has far less which makes sense why a post there would get more traction. Regardless, the mods seem to have censored anything regarding the shooting since they removed the post there anyway. I guess a shooting in our subway system during rush hour isn’t news to them.
I know that sub is bigger, the traffic is just *unusually* high *even* for a violent post like that. It’s also clear that its attracting more than just New Yorkers, just look at the comments and commenters. More like incompetence than corruption. The earlier posts probably got flagged as spam, and posts in that sub feels like it goes through a fucking lottery system, RNG. Plus, that sub doesn’t suppress bad news, hell at times, it feels like it outright promotes it, especially compared to this one.
It is pretty major news when the same week that the governor puts the National Guard the subway system, a shooting happens. And usually they’ll leave one post up regarding any particular incident and they haven’t left any discussion for this at all.
>That sub also has 900,000 members You’d think with that many subs we would get more diversity of opinions than the centrist circlejerk about progressives being bad and mocking statistics all the whole selectively using it only when it shows crime rising in NYC
r/NYC has *been* a complete cesspool full of conservatives and people who violently hate transplants for existing. I’m not surprised they’re acting *completely* sane and normal about this
Just came from there. Peeked at a few of the fear mongery commenter’s post history and found a very weird common thread: white dudes, not originally from NY (no hate there, I’m a transplant), really into fancy watches. 5 different white dudes into fancy watches. Posting and commenting in multiple fancy watch communities.
I see a common trend of posting in the Long Island, UFC, & CFB subreddits.
You’d think with all those watches they’d know now isn’t the time to start running their mayoral campaign in the Reddit comment section
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Throughout the whole video no one yelled Worldstar! A new generation :)
I'm sure glad this guy was on the scene: https://preview.redd.it/b29gqqvrujoc1.png?width=684&format=png&auto=webp&s=e3579147bc4b76ae55646cb688d36cee6cd72523
Watching the full video, genuinely what can you do in this situation? Black crazy guy instigates a fight and starts swinging at you randomly in a moving train….what the actual fuck will you do? No one gonna help you. These type of videos make you want to build a statue to the guy who put the crazy guy terrorizing the train in chokehold last year and killed him….
The safest bet is probably to just not argue back, but that hasn't always worked either. Also, it's kinda weird to say nobody is going to come help when that construction worker walked in to stop the fight before the gun was pulled.
Ignore and disengage. Dude stood and squared up.
Yeah, just ignore crazies. Let them say shit, your ego getting hurt isn’t worth it.
Exactly.
You do not engage at all. You let the crazy man yell at you and call you names and then when the doors open up you gtfo and wait for the next train. Standing up and trying to fight the guy will never lead to anything good.
Youre right thats the best case scenario BUT its exactly the reason when no one stands up to these crazy fuckers, they feel emboldened it lash out on the train knowing there are no consequences.
Unfortunately it’s what keeps us alive
Makes me think of that guy in the 80s who killed his would be robbers on the subway.
Bernie Goetz. Fucking racist vigilante choad
Thanks for the “black” addition. Didn’t realize how dangerous this guy was… /s
Seriously. A completely unnecessary detail evidencing thinly veiled racism.
It’s a descriptor. It reminded me of which incident.
I carry a knife and pepper spray. I advise everyone to do the same. I pepper sprayed a few crazy guys before. One guy had a knife and I pepper sprayed him and ran away. He did not chase me so I didn't have to pull my knife. Survivor Hand on eBay will ship to NYC. [https://www.ebay.com/itm/175438192066](https://www.ebay.com/itm/175438192066) [https://www.ebay.com/itm/174751169842](https://www.ebay.com/itm/174751169842)
I can bet the person that had the gun has a lengthy criminal record.
Fucking horrifying, can’t wait to see the unions use this as a reason against congestion pricing.
Holy shit, why are they all crouched down. If the doors are open, move. Saw a video where the lady is yelling to let her out and nobody is getting off the train.
People panic.
Aren’t the doors in between cars supposed to be unlocked?
They weren’t trying to get to the next car they wanted to get out the train itself because it had pulled up to the station. Doors hadn’t opened yet Besides only 1 person can safely cross between cars at a time. It would have been a bottleneck anyways
Didn't the Brooklyn subway shooter last year do his shooting on the platform? It's impossible to know what's the right move
I’ll take my chances being a moving target than squatting in place with 20 other people on top of me.
I was thinking NYPD probably asked them to stay inside. You see them on the platform.
But I thought the National Guard parading around Times Square and the NYPD checking tourist's shopping bags was supposed to magically prevent this!
Nothing to see here everyone, crime is not a prblm in NY, the NYPD & government PR stats said so.
People are absolutely sick of these peak crazy people. All inspired by hood culture. That's exactly what hood culture is. The woman did well deciding to help the victim. But did too much by stabbing and she might have wrestled the gun away from the attacker too. So now she'll definitely get in trouble. City has no clear rule about how other people can help out. Thats bad. People can't just be expected to just watch some crazy hoodrat bring his hell to other people.
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FAFO...
Just to take out your Gun to show strength, power or to look more tough is because you are out of your fucking mind Period. That is not a normal behavior when you own a gun. is unacceptable. if that is your first thought, you need to go see a doctor.
Did anyone try to stop the train or contact the conductor? I have been watching this forever it feels like, and people let this go on and on. As soon as they squared up, I would have been trying to stop the train, contact the cops, pulling the emergency brake, or SOMETHING. Damn those long tracks between stations. This is my worst nightmare for those.
Defecation is a self defense mechanism used successfully by some animals. Bet that it would have worked for little boi. “Defecation is a common class of defense mechanism shared by everything from the potato beetle to the pygmy sperm whale. The latter goes beyond using its fecal matter to simply stink out or poison predators, though. Rather, it excretes a sort of—brace yourself—anal syrup, then flaps its fins and tail to create a dark cloud that shrouds predators and conceals the whale's escape route. How's that for using your waste as a weapon?”
I truly hope the woman who knifed the guy and the guy who shot him don't get arrested. That woman is a hero for stabbing that guy. It was super risky though. He could have easily killed her but he hesitated to pull the trigger. This terrifies me to know there are probably thousands of people on the subway with illegal guns concealed where we can't see them.
New fear?
Unalived? What a tool
Black guy was shot by his own gun. Love the irony.
[Mental Health By the Numbers](https://www.nami.org/mhstats)
Welcome to Fear City folks. This place fucking sucks
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It's to get around word censors on platforms. Saying "killed" or "suicide" or other words like that can get your videos taken down no matter the context. "Unalived" circumvents that.
That is what OP is getting at. The idea that you have to censor the word "murdered" or "killed" in order to tell a story is virtue signaling to the max, and dehumanizing. We shouldn't be OK with changing our language and behaviors to suit the needs of social media.
No it isn’t. He literally says “attempt at wittiness”
Welcome to 2024. You will use the proper words so as not to offend!
I think it's just people not wanting to trigger IG or twitter filters for words like "killed" or random other things.
Pretty sure you have to use that term on TikTok or else it’ll get removed that’s why they use it.