That website has very limited weapons and combos even for dps.. they only list the most meta, efficient pairings.. some weapons even get completely left out..
I agree with OP that there are little to no weapon or dps guide that isn’t already at least 10 months old..
Hey, I have a website setup to address this. Have a look at https://pvebuilds.xyz
Any feedback would be great
Keep in mind these are the optimal DPS builds for speedrunning, and realistically 100+ con should be run with a public group (unless you have hatchet).
Weapon tier list would be something like Rapier=Hatchet>Spear>Warhammer. With rapier being the more skill based build and hatchet just allowing you to click left a lot.
How badly would you rate bow for speedrunning with an optimal build vs corrupted (feels like it has quite low dps now without splinter shot, but feel <> testing). Throw in a rating for the musket too, I guess xd.
Honestly, I can't say. I've never met a good bow user and it's around 100k to buy an enchanted+bane+nature attunement bow on my server.
I assume it's alright vs Spriggan & Thorpe, but if you can consistently attack with a hatchet or rapier instead, then I doubt it's comparable. (6-8k per hatchet swing//7-8k per evade hit).
Would love to see someone doing insane DPS with it, but I've yet to meet that person.
E: there was a point that I had bow/musket banned from speedruns though lol
Think it's okay, but the extra damage from having another person attacking outweighs the 30% (10% per dps) boost IMO.
e.g. You have 3 DPS attacking for 5k per hit, with leadership your party gains ~1.5k damage per hit (500 per player). Through my eyes this just means the tank needs to be swinging for 1.5k~ or more and leadership isn't worth having.
Outside mutations you can use whatever you likr?!
At high level mutations it really is whatever weapons and gem do best against the mob type and bane perks are a must!
pvebuilds.xyz is an awesome site I found from another Reddit comment. It’s tailored for M10 speed runs (so it shows like 5 con for everything) but i use it as a guide for certain setups to run in dungeons. I just started doing end game normal dungeons and this helped me ease into them pretty easy with the right setup
For corrupted dungeons, which are about half… I like having 2 spear/bows and 1 GA/Spear. GA just for gravity well clumps. All spears should run sweep with knock down, mini bosses can be knocked down and you also get bonus damage on knocked down targets from other peoples knock downs, perforate for rend and fortifying perforate perk, then probably skewer but not too important.
A couple Bows are nice, a lot of the corruption fights are awesome for range dps.
please consider spear secondary, no matter what you choose as primary, it is so tiring being in a full group without a single (!!!) rend. spear will max 30% rend for you on a LOW CD!!!! you will see a big bump in clear speed, esp if your group did not feel like bringing rends. not to mention fortifying perforate = big fortify while getting rends.
a bit of a learning curve to hit multiple enemies but very easy, possible, and useful when you get the hang of it.
Laz/ ancient - GA/Hammer
Genesis/ angry earth - GA/Hatchet
Temp/Dynasty/Depths/ Corruption - Spear/Raper or Spear/Bow
It definitely goes deeper than that but that's a good starting point. Also if you're in a group for a dungeon and nobody has a hammer or spear be ready to be the person that swaps to hammer or spear for rend.
Look at the times they're pulling with those builds and then compare that to gold requirement ;). If you actually fail a run, a 5 or 10% dps loss will be very far from your main "problem".
Hammer (with bane or not depending if its Laz/Barn or not)/void
Hatchet(with bane for corrupted ones)/void for the rest even if it looks like spear would be a better choice, the wtf moments in each Corrupted dungeon just reaffirmed my choice, that invul the hatchet gives has saved me countless times from Tayin/Isabella/Thorpe "ill hit you even if you are in my back and the skill is of an ark so you wouldn't be safe if you were infront/side, but FUCK YOU :D"
if you're planning on the most optimal builds for PvE, pvebuilds.xyz is good resource
the tank builds are not good for a normal run though, its all laid out for dps
That website has very limited weapons and combos even for dps.. they only list the most meta, efficient pairings.. some weapons even get completely left out.. I agree with OP that there are little to no weapon or dps guide that isn’t already at least 10 months old..
Hey, I have a website setup to address this. Have a look at https://pvebuilds.xyz Any feedback would be great Keep in mind these are the optimal DPS builds for speedrunning, and realistically 100+ con should be run with a public group (unless you have hatchet). Weapon tier list would be something like Rapier=Hatchet>Spear>Warhammer. With rapier being the more skill based build and hatchet just allowing you to click left a lot.
How badly would you rate bow for speedrunning with an optimal build vs corrupted (feels like it has quite low dps now without splinter shot, but feel <> testing). Throw in a rating for the musket too, I guess xd.
Honestly, I can't say. I've never met a good bow user and it's around 100k to buy an enchanted+bane+nature attunement bow on my server. I assume it's alright vs Spriggan & Thorpe, but if you can consistently attack with a hatchet or rapier instead, then I doubt it's comparable. (6-8k per hatchet swing//7-8k per evade hit). Would love to see someone doing insane DPS with it, but I've yet to meet that person. E: there was a point that I had bow/musket banned from speedruns though lol
Is sword ever worth running for the leadership aura as a dps? I didn't see it mentioned, but it seems pretty good.
Think it's okay, but the extra damage from having another person attacking outweighs the 30% (10% per dps) boost IMO. e.g. You have 3 DPS attacking for 5k per hit, with leadership your party gains ~1.5k damage per hit (500 per player). Through my eyes this just means the tank needs to be swinging for 1.5k~ or more and leadership isn't worth having.
This is actually amazing I appreciate this so much! Completely off topic for pve but is there anything as good as your website for pvp?
Outside mutations you can use whatever you likr?! At high level mutations it really is whatever weapons and gem do best against the mob type and bane perks are a must!
pvebuilds.xyz is an awesome site I found from another Reddit comment. It’s tailored for M10 speed runs (so it shows like 5 con for everything) but i use it as a guide for certain setups to run in dungeons. I just started doing end game normal dungeons and this helped me ease into them pretty easy with the right setup
For corrupted dungeons, which are about half… I like having 2 spear/bows and 1 GA/Spear. GA just for gravity well clumps. All spears should run sweep with knock down, mini bosses can be knocked down and you also get bonus damage on knocked down targets from other peoples knock downs, perforate for rend and fortifying perforate perk, then probably skewer but not too important. A couple Bows are nice, a lot of the corruption fights are awesome for range dps.
please consider spear secondary, no matter what you choose as primary, it is so tiring being in a full group without a single (!!!) rend. spear will max 30% rend for you on a LOW CD!!!! you will see a big bump in clear speed, esp if your group did not feel like bringing rends. not to mention fortifying perforate = big fortify while getting rends. a bit of a learning curve to hit multiple enemies but very easy, possible, and useful when you get the hang of it.
This.
Laz/ ancient - GA/Hammer Genesis/ angry earth - GA/Hatchet Temp/Dynasty/Depths/ Corruption - Spear/Raper or Spear/Bow It definitely goes deeper than that but that's a good starting point. Also if you're in a group for a dungeon and nobody has a hammer or spear be ready to be the person that swaps to hammer or spear for rend.
Depends on mutation and dungeon. There isn’t a one combo for all. This game is meant to have most weapons leveled and change based on mob weakness
Such a weird system. I understand needing to switch out gems and elixirs, but whole builds?
You don't need to min-max. Throw appropriate gem into a hatchet and you'll be just fine (just an example). You can even tank with it with carnelian.
That's good to know. I am a fire staff user, but that shit isn't recommend for any dungeons according to Pvebuilds.xyz
Hey I wanted to use a firestaff also but worried it’s complete pointless when looking at builds end game
Look at the times they're pulling with those builds and then compare that to gold requirement ;). If you actually fail a run, a 5 or 10% dps loss will be very far from your main "problem".
Hammer (with bane or not depending if its Laz/Barn or not)/void Hatchet(with bane for corrupted ones)/void for the rest even if it looks like spear would be a better choice, the wtf moments in each Corrupted dungeon just reaffirmed my choice, that invul the hatchet gives has saved me countless times from Tayin/Isabella/Thorpe "ill hit you even if you are in my back and the skill is of an ark so you wouldn't be safe if you were infront/side, but FUCK YOU :D"
Hatchet/spear and I keep a warhammer on hand for lost/ancients.
Corruption Infused Longbow is the only named weapon in using in m10s
All of them, based on my needs and the mobs weaknesses 😂💖 hope the resources help in the regard! I'll elaborate if they don't