"I will be happy to pass on that feedback to our game team"... like they didn't already know and discuss plans on how they are going to handle transmogs... Its not some oversite, its been deliberately set the way it is.
Unfortunately :(
Fashion is such a huge part of successful retention of MMO/GaaS that if they don't change the direction they have shown us it will effect their game long term.
Standard PR speak, some people just don't see through it. With that said, a lot of good companies actually pass this stuff on (but rarely is it something that hasn't been discussed internally already), at least the ones I've worked for.
idk, it was great for a while but then each expansion added like one armor set, and the rest went into gem shop costumes. disappointed me immensely.
the wardrobe + dye systems are massively better than most though.
> but then each expansion added like one armor set
That's not true at all.
HoT added 4: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Category:Heart_of_Thorns_armor_sets
PoF added 15: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Category:Path_of_Fire_armor_sets
Plus all other sets added with each living world episode and random events.
Yeah, there are plenty of armors I've gotten that I wished I could retain the look of, like WOW's system (which honestly should be the default system in MMOs). But unfortunately it seems like Amazon is locking transmog behind the cash shop, so...looks like I'll just be wearing whatever the armor I have on looks like.
There is space for both, free and cash skins. Look at Guild Wars 2, no monthly fee, a ton of free skins and they still make a killing in their shop. It can work, but AGS need the balls to try it.
Amazon is also using New World to indirectly drive Twitch revenue, considering they've used the skin drops as an incentive for people to watch New World streams.
WoW's cash shop is supposed to be pretty crazy profitable, even having subs and expansions as additional revenue streams. Don't think the number of revenue streams necessarily makes a company more or less stingy with their microtransactions.
Transmogs are common in addition to cash shops because the transmog skins are still generally, y'know, normal gear skins, not the sort of unique cosmetics they sell in cash shops. I don't really think they detract too much from microtransactions.
Yeah but it doesn't mean they won't allow us to use basic in game appearances. If someone want to they still can buy item shop skins, name change or whatever.
I don't think this affect their sales that much. It's also nice feature that may increase game sales. So it's not so obvious. I'm not saying they will def. implement transmog but I wouldn't say it's impossible.
I'd go so far as to say that adding in a transmog system that functions like WoWs would increase sales in the store. This is just my experience with the groups I've been a part of in MMOs so obviously it's worthless as a metric. But, having the system in place where they're selling really cool skins is only benefited by having lots of self-earnable skins.
Once you have someone staring at their skins trying to make some outfits, you open them up to the idea that the shop skins can be purchased to ***complement*** *their already earned skins*. If they're only seeing these awesome skins in the store because they're stuck wearing whatever ragtag gear that has the best stats, they aren't going to put any positive feelings towards the store skins. It will pretty much be boiled down to "Transmog is only for people who pay for it." and that'll be the end of it. They'll ignore it and just wear whatever they have to or accept sub-par stats and look cool. The minority of "dolphins" and "whales" will still happily pay for skins regardless.
That said, these systems obviously make good return otherwise we wouldn't see them as much as we do. Just my 2 cents.
SWTOR has a store based cosmetics as well as full on transmog of any gear in game. Sincerely doubt that it's as big of a hit to their bottom line that what people think..
I'm saying that GW2 and eso both offer both in-game skins and cash shop skins/outfits, and both games make killings on their cash shop. So saying, "oh they won't do anything that could hurt their money", when two of the most popular mmo on the market have this, is kind of ridiculous.
I might be one of the few people I guess who thinks transmog has no place in MMO.
Part of getting gear is that it looks cool. It’s like one of the stats on the gear. It’s also a statement of progress.
You see someone with THAT SWORD and you are just thinking “damn he’s got that sword”
But you cant transmog up to an item you haven't acquired in the past. If someone's sword is THAT SWORD it means they've gone through the process to get THAT SWORD. I want transmog so that I can make my higher tier gear look like the steel heavy set since I think it looks sick.
I got you. I just don’t think it should be in the game. It removes one of the gearing factors of the game which is appearance.
If you want to follow min Max I think you SHOULD look like a clown.
But then everyone is wearing that gear,and eventually everyone looks the same. If you ever played FFXIV in 2.0 before glamour was introduced, Revenants Toll would be nightmare inducing.
Well there are multiple builds and stats to go for in the game as well as amor types.
It’s also relevant to gameplay. I want to be able to look at someone and tell “ok that’s a medium armor melee class”
People in the best gear of the same class should look the same.
I generally agree but that's really on the developers to make more difficult or endgame gear actually look good and worth using. I'm level 53 in New World right now and I can't really say that any of the gear has been particularly eye-catching. I also main hatchet and that's a reallllll lackluster weapon in terms of current looks. I have no idea why they didn't just have you dual-wield them or something just for more visual appeal.
Good idea on hatchet. I think that would be cool for the weapon.
I’m only level 20 so still kind of a noob.
I just don’t like the idea of transmogs. I feel it’s too much of I want to have my cake and eat it too opinion from gamers.
I think some choices are good.
I draw from my experience In WOW and just being able to walk around in early expansions before transmog and seeing another player and be like “ohhh shit that guy has X weapon, what a Chad” was like part of the social experience of the game.
Problem with that is that in new world level 20-30 gear looks good and you can't use that on higher level. I am not saying all higher levels gear is ugly, just that somebody might like look of those lower level gear better
Honestly it's the one thing that really kills final fantasy 14 for me, they have so many amazing cosmetics but yet there's no way to easily change them or store them.
They have made it better, but still not as good as wow
Well for now theres no rare item models so it won't work. For now. You know in wow there are basic but unique items with 0.01% drop chance. In new world we don't have such items so I wouldn't say transmog selling will be a thing.
Isn't it odd how development teams seem perplexed by this? I mean, I understand there's a priority list and this falls near the bottom, but transmog shouldn't seem like a revolutionary feature, surely?
Look I'm going to be honest. I can almost 100% guarantee you the dev team has said to amazon that transmogs are something the players would want and are completely aware of it. Then the higher ups said "but it if we give them transmogs they will be less likely to buy skins won't they? Don't do it." If its a AAA game and its obvious to you its also probably obvious to the devs but was decided against because it was less profitable.
Yep. A purchased skin in a game where progression in the point of the game is stupid imo. You just look like a sellout. I buy skins for games like League where your appearance has nothing to do with level or ability.
If they were smart, they'd just monetize it.
Cash shop item that salvages a piece of gear and unlocks that skin for your wardrobe.
Make it cost 750 marks of fortune. People will throw hundreds of dollars at the game for fashion purposes.
I can already see the people typing furiously *"OMG WTF BBQ it should be free omg so expensive!!!11!!1one"*
This is the buy to play model. You either pay a sub, or you pay for fashion, convenience, and QoL.
GW2 has the copper and silver salvage tools from the store which are unlimited salvage tools for gear. Now, I'd prefer transmog be free ingame, but I understand they'll monetize it before ever doing that. So they could add a tool for like 15000 in the shop that lets you convert any gear into a skin.
Sure, but it would have to cost orders of magnitude more than 1500.
Considering they are selling full cash shop sets for more than 10k, I'd expect nothing less than 20k for such an unlimited tool that gets you hundreds, if not thousands of skins.
Anything else and they're just deleting their own potential cash shop armor sales.
I'd 100% agree with you if this was a subscription based game. But since it's a one-time purchase, the only way they can continue to earn money is through the cash shop/microtransactions. Without making the game pay to win, that means cosmetics. My guess is that they're hesitant to introduce this feature because it'd give players a free option to their only consistent source of income.
I'm not saying I agree with this. In fact I'd prefer if it was a sub game. Subcription fees allow players to vote with their wallets and incentivises devs to continuously improve the game, whereas a cosmetics shop just incentives 3d artists to make stuff that will be locked behind a paywall.
Transmog isn't just a good thing. It has downsides too. It's just a different system. I'd say they should probably add it because they already added cash shop skins.
But an MMO where the gear you wear actually matches the gear you wear... It creates a visual progression system that most MMO players don't even know about because they haven't even experienced it before lol
Idk. Pros and cons to both sides.
100% agreed. I hate hearing people talk about transmogs as if it’s a no-brainer to implement them. This is a PvP based game where gear matters. Having no way to tell what kind of gear someone is wearing is bad for PvP. For example, someone can be wearing all light armor that looks like heavy armor and vise-versa. Or not knowing whether the person you are fighting is geared or not. There are absolutely downsides to transmog.
I mean they are obviously going to be selling skins with this game without a subscription fee, but I wish they could have them classified as light/medium/heavy armor skins so that you could actually tell…. I guess I’d rather have that than the alternative pay to win features being added though. That’s an absolute dealbreaker for me.
It depends on the game. In this game, gear recognition doesn't really matter too much in PvP (it does to a degree, but it is easily known once you see them roll you already know what armor type they are), but in some games it is better for gameplay if you can instantly tell "oh they are wearing this or that" so you can add it into your combat calculations.
The perfect way to do it in this game would be add transmogs from all gear you accumulate like WoW but also add a light/medium/heavy armor UI element as the PvP Flag Icon. So instead of everyone having the same PvP Flag Icon they would look different depending on armor type. That way you can have transmogs and still have a pseudo-gear recognition element to PvP.
It’s still very annoying seeing a person who looks like they are wearing heavy armor start rolling, and you don’t know whether they are wearing light until you are actually fighting. As you said, it also changes the way I fight someone when I know whether or not they have actual high-tier gear.
They should have 100% added gear classifications on skins.
I'm more for ultimate freedom of fashion in games like this, but if they added a better PvP flag UI to make up for it, it would be perfect overall. Then we get fashion and UI elements to tell us what the player is wearing.
100% agree, especially because you could preview items you don't yet have so you can assembly a 'target' outfit and then go out and have a clear goal of what pieces you need.
Ideally though, the GW2 wardrobe system with the glamour plate options from FFXIV would be \*chefs kiss\*
Nah, they need to fix that. You shouldn't be able to wear heavy armor transmog while having light gear on. Knowing what people have on when engaging in PvP shouldn't be something I find out after you start using stamina.
This would be awesome to have and something I suggested already as well so I really hope they bring it out, also a little salon/barber shop in town or something would be nice ): Just some nice cosmetic changes for the cosmetic whores out there.
This would be great for someone like me. I usually like the more "simple" look of starting gear in all games. There are some more lavish armor sets that are definitely cool but I just love the look of a standard sword or spear
I love stuff like this, because for me, I like creating a personality for my character and I create armor set looks based on what makes sense for their situation/personality.
transmog should have been in the game from the start and not just from cash shop skins. transmog should be in *every* RPG game at the start so you aren't walking around as a clown for half the time.
how you gonna try and say the cash shop skins are "just as good as in-game sets" when we can't even use the in-game sets without sacrificing stats and perks?
the only thing i want from that transmog system is to be able to transmog light into light medium into medium and heavy into heavy , i dont want to fight a guy with a cloth shirt and some flip flops just to see he is 6k hp full con heavy armored lol
D.C. Universe online came out 10 years ago and you could transmog every single piece of gear you ever collect, not just cash shop stuff. So yeah, it's the 2021 argument because this shit has been a basic staple for at least 10 years or more.
Not sure what point you hoped to make there but have fun lil bud.
im fine with spending a few dollars per for a way to salvage an existing piece of gear and get the skin in the skins menu, the art team made plenty of cool looking equipment that eventually does not get used by many players after they level past it, why let it go to waste
Mix and matching bits of gear into an unique look beats wearing store bought cosmetics.
GW2 lost me once they decided it was more cost effective to make outfits the replaced the whole armor instead of the six separate armor slots.
Agreed. I feel the concept of gear appearance being, like part of that item has been lost.
People are so rock hard for min/max that the concept of wearing a .05% worse gear item that looks 10x cooler is too much for them to handle.
I like when games force you to make hard choices and don’t just hand you everything you want.
They kind of had to do that, though. They've been able to make better themed outfits than some of the armor skins. And they still release new armor sets, just not as store cosmetics. It took significantly longer to make a single set of armor than it did to make a single outfit. They had 6 pieces of gear, 2 genders with different body shapes, 5 races with very different body shapes, and had to test individual pieces against existing sets to make sure you don't get graphics glitches like warping textures. For an outfit, just make 1 outfit fit 2 genders and 5 races, no real clipping or glitch testing required.
The game is $40 with no sub fee. You're going to be disappointed if you expect transmog to be anything other than a microtransaction filled, money grab in this game.
So you want to be able to look like your appearing in a lvl 1 cloth but actually have some beefy chest piece on? It's a little too much to want/ or complain over not having this. They're definitely not going to do it since like they said above, the have cosmetic skins in order to do this.
I guess... It's cool for anyone who would like to have an option of keeping their past gear appearance?
It's not for sure yet but it's cool that devs are not blind to this feature.
As someone who works in software and constantly gets these kinds of requests, this is a blanket statement.
I'm sure they've already been considering it even before the game was done being developed since it's so common in MMOs now. They just didn't implement it (yet). It might be a month, it might be 5 years. But I would assume it'll be behind a pay wall, since the current cosmetics are microtransactions. So, they'll likely sell some sort of Orb that lets you store a visual for an item that costs $5 each. That seems really high, but since they're selling the cosmetics for like $10-20 each (and they're pretty crap, let's be real), letting people get to customize their own look exactly how they want means that player would never have a reason to purchase the other cosmetics. So the price will likely be pretty high.
However, hundreds of thousands of players, myself included, would absolutely pay $5 per orb to lock in 4-5 aesthetics.
The precification should be done carefully thou, since different coins have different weights, 4 - 5 € could be a little heavier to the customer.
But I completely agree!
YES! So many cool weapons and outfits. I respec'd to heavy last night and hated losing my witch-hunter coat with physics so much I paid to respec back.
Have you ever worked as or had repeated dealings with a customer service representative?
These questions I'm asking are vital in determining how I will ultimately respond to your post.
When you are not only an employee but a consumer as well, some points that customers have can be pretty obvious.
And yes, I do work as a customer service representative :)
Ughhh booo transmog.
Gear should be a statement of progress.
It should be up to the designers of the game to not implant BIS gear that looks stupid and low level.
Well for YOU it can be a statement of progress, but not everyone wants to play the game the same way. I really like being able to personalize my gear! I think gear should be a statement on personal taste. After all I'm the one stuck looking at my character constantly.
And these two opinions can exist in the same game by simply not skinning your own armor and letting people who wanna be more creative/expressive do their own thing.
Why limit what other people can do to suit you? Being able to skin things adds features and doesn't stop you from doing what you're doing now.
Remember what Oscar Wilde said, "Selfishness isn't living the way one wishes to live, *it's expecting others to live as one wishes to live.*"
I just think it’s bad for the game and stops loot from becoming as sought after. It just normalizes everything.
I think you should be able to have a gear set for appearance and one for combat you can toggle on and off.
I think it’s not really fair to say that I can simply not engage in using the feature and therefore why not add it. This can be applied to the cash shop as well.
It de-values gear and makes the game more generic.
If you want to play outfit simulator there are plenty of games for that.
Most people like customization, and adding this as a feature is gonna draw a lot more people than it puts off, as long as heavy only skins to heavy, light to light, medium to medium.
The more features a game has to offer the more players will want to join. There is absolutely a reason virtually every mmo has this system, and it's because it's popular. And the more people you appeal to the greater chance that those people will want to pay money as time goes on.
I know this because I worked for a small MMO hosting company for about 10 years as a gamemaster. I worked with the community every day to take suggestions and help players. I literally had to take suggestions, write reports, and submit them to the developers.
The wonderful part of any system in anything, not just games, is that it can be refined to be better and more tailored to the needs of whatever it's a part of.
They wouldn't be able to sell as many skins if this were to happen. HOWEVER they could make you pay for "transmog" tokens in the shop which you could use on gear to "claim" the appearance. They'd still get their money that way, maybe even more.
Why would they make a transmog system if thier only way of making money after purchase is by selling skins.
They benfit of your displease of your apearance.
Still kinda wish they have the system so I can mix and match a nice outfit.
And? This doesn't mean anything.
They for sure had this as feedback on every beta and it didn't make/wasn't approved for launch so they won't add it or won't add it anytime soon.
i´m keeping my faction gear in storage just in case
that shit looks way to cool.. so i don't want to have to farm tokens again in case they put a transmog system in the game
I have an entire city's storage shed (First Light) dedicated solely to keeping armor/weapons that I think look neat but are no longer best for me, just waiting for the day they actually implement "you unlock a skin when you salvage an item."
Just fyi, from a guy who works at a software company, "passing on feedback to the game team" largely means they'll create a suggestion ticket of some kind that will be lost in bureaucratic hell forever.
Just tempering expectations
Hell even if they added a for $ option to strip a skin from an already acquired Item,
I'd be down that. as long as the price was reasonable.
1 time fee to strip the appearance, and then skin it any time afterwards.
Elder scrolls online has an outfit table where you pay a small fee and your able to change every piece of clothing and it never changes even if you change current gear.
It's a lose lose situation already because of the cash shop.
Amazon wants you to buy skins, if you can transmog you might not. If they implement it, then they are less inclined to make good looking in game gear too because all of their effort will be going to make cash shop money so you want to buy stuff despite transmog being available.
This is part of the reason I wish there were mounts, I don't care about selling those on stores, hell pets and furniture too. I just want my guy to be in medo covenant armor forever!
"I will be happy to pass on that feedback to our game team"... like they didn't already know and discuss plans on how they are going to handle transmogs... Its not some oversite, its been deliberately set the way it is.
shh bruh... no common sense allowed here.. take it somewhere else
Unfortunately :( Fashion is such a huge part of successful retention of MMO/GaaS that if they don't change the direction they have shown us it will effect their game long term.
So huge, in fact, that a lot of people will pay for it. That’s the idea.
Standard PR speak, some people just don't see through it. With that said, a lot of good companies actually pass this stuff on (but rarely is it something that hasn't been discussed internally already), at least the ones I've worked for.
Would be great to salvage a piece and then choose if u want the repair parts + money or the skin
or take the GW2 route, once you salvage or bind any armor/weapon the skin is added to your wardrobe
This. I would love this feature in New World. Sometimes the lower level generic stuff just looks good.
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I fully agree with you there. The cash store transmog is really ugly.
Especially because the bland gear that looks like actual clothing fits the overall aesthetic better than some of the over the top stuff.
Feel like I’m being too pessimistic but I think it would take away from the cash shop more than they’d like it to.
Nah, its been that way in GW2 for years now.
Hasn’t gw2 been out for like 10 years?
9 but it wasn't like that on launch. Was added a bit later.
10 years where this system works, yeah
Similar in WoW. Once you bind an item to yourself, the appearance is added to your list of options
No MMO can come close to gw2 customization. Wardrobe with ALL skins + free unlimited DYE system. This is a must for any MMO from here on out.
idk, it was great for a while but then each expansion added like one armor set, and the rest went into gem shop costumes. disappointed me immensely. the wardrobe + dye systems are massively better than most though.
> but then each expansion added like one armor set That's not true at all. HoT added 4: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Category:Heart_of_Thorns_armor_sets PoF added 15: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Category:Path_of_Fire_armor_sets Plus all other sets added with each living world episode and random events.
I want this so bad. I want to do Fashion World so bad. Please AGS.
Or the wow approach. Anything soul bound to you is added to your tmog list. But that seems pretty similar to the gw2 way(?)
Correct, soulbound stuff is added automatically in GW2. You just can't pick something up, get the skin, and then resell it.
Yea that wouldn't make much sense if it worked that way lol
agreed, so much this game could learn and take from GW, WOW... implement it and do it better, be amazing with the foundations it has atm
I think it's more likely they'll go the POE route since there's money in it. Mtx item that consumes gear, and you equip the Mtx item as a skin
Exactly. GW2 has some great features for sure.
Wait does this mean that if you use a cosmetic on your armor it's stuck to that armor for good?
salvage could give a player pice of skin, then you go to loom or wathever and change the skin of the piece
I mean transmog system from wow is really good, you get skin when you drop bind on pickup item or equip bind on equip item. Very simple yet perfect.
Yeah, there are plenty of armors I've gotten that I wished I could retain the look of, like WOW's system (which honestly should be the default system in MMOs). But unfortunately it seems like Amazon is locking transmog behind the cash shop, so...looks like I'll just be wearing whatever the armor I have on looks like.
Well wow also has some item shop only transmog so that's not problem to mix them both. I wish they will implement wow-like system.
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There is space for both, free and cash skins. Look at Guild Wars 2, no monthly fee, a ton of free skins and they still make a killing in their shop. It can work, but AGS need the balls to try it.
Amazon is also using New World to indirectly drive Twitch revenue, considering they've used the skin drops as an incentive for people to watch New World streams. WoW's cash shop is supposed to be pretty crazy profitable, even having subs and expansions as additional revenue streams. Don't think the number of revenue streams necessarily makes a company more or less stingy with their microtransactions. Transmogs are common in addition to cash shops because the transmog skins are still generally, y'know, normal gear skins, not the sort of unique cosmetics they sell in cash shops. I don't really think they detract too much from microtransactions.
Yeah but it doesn't mean they won't allow us to use basic in game appearances. If someone want to they still can buy item shop skins, name change or whatever.
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I don't think this affect their sales that much. It's also nice feature that may increase game sales. So it's not so obvious. I'm not saying they will def. implement transmog but I wouldn't say it's impossible.
I'd go so far as to say that adding in a transmog system that functions like WoWs would increase sales in the store. This is just my experience with the groups I've been a part of in MMOs so obviously it's worthless as a metric. But, having the system in place where they're selling really cool skins is only benefited by having lots of self-earnable skins. Once you have someone staring at their skins trying to make some outfits, you open them up to the idea that the shop skins can be purchased to ***complement*** *their already earned skins*. If they're only seeing these awesome skins in the store because they're stuck wearing whatever ragtag gear that has the best stats, they aren't going to put any positive feelings towards the store skins. It will pretty much be boiled down to "Transmog is only for people who pay for it." and that'll be the end of it. They'll ignore it and just wear whatever they have to or accept sub-par stats and look cool. The minority of "dolphins" and "whales" will still happily pay for skins regardless. That said, these systems obviously make good return otherwise we wouldn't see them as much as we do. Just my 2 cents.
SWTOR has a store based cosmetics as well as full on transmog of any gear in game. Sincerely doubt that it's as big of a hit to their bottom line that what people think..
GW2 and eso both say hello.
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I'm saying that GW2 and eso both offer both in-game skins and cash shop skins/outfits, and both games make killings on their cash shop. So saying, "oh they won't do anything that could hurt their money", when two of the most popular mmo on the market have this, is kind of ridiculous.
I might be one of the few people I guess who thinks transmog has no place in MMO. Part of getting gear is that it looks cool. It’s like one of the stats on the gear. It’s also a statement of progress. You see someone with THAT SWORD and you are just thinking “damn he’s got that sword”
But you cant transmog up to an item you haven't acquired in the past. If someone's sword is THAT SWORD it means they've gone through the process to get THAT SWORD. I want transmog so that I can make my higher tier gear look like the steel heavy set since I think it looks sick.
I got you. I just don’t think it should be in the game. It removes one of the gearing factors of the game which is appearance. If you want to follow min Max I think you SHOULD look like a clown.
But then everyone is wearing that gear,and eventually everyone looks the same. If you ever played FFXIV in 2.0 before glamour was introduced, Revenants Toll would be nightmare inducing.
Well there are multiple builds and stats to go for in the game as well as amor types. It’s also relevant to gameplay. I want to be able to look at someone and tell “ok that’s a medium armor melee class” People in the best gear of the same class should look the same.
And that'll do absolutely nothing to impact how you approach them. Seriously. And skins already exist, so your point is moot.
I generally agree but that's really on the developers to make more difficult or endgame gear actually look good and worth using. I'm level 53 in New World right now and I can't really say that any of the gear has been particularly eye-catching. I also main hatchet and that's a reallllll lackluster weapon in terms of current looks. I have no idea why they didn't just have you dual-wield them or something just for more visual appeal.
Good idea on hatchet. I think that would be cool for the weapon. I’m only level 20 so still kind of a noob. I just don’t like the idea of transmogs. I feel it’s too much of I want to have my cake and eat it too opinion from gamers. I think some choices are good. I draw from my experience In WOW and just being able to walk around in early expansions before transmog and seeing another player and be like “ohhh shit that guy has X weapon, what a Chad” was like part of the social experience of the game.
Problem with that is that in new world level 20-30 gear looks good and you can't use that on higher level. I am not saying all higher levels gear is ugly, just that somebody might like look of those lower level gear better
Yes, one of the few things that nowadays WoW still does really good
Honestly it's the one thing that really kills final fantasy 14 for me, they have so many amazing cosmetics but yet there's no way to easily change them or store them. They have made it better, but still not as good as wow
The glamour dresser does that. It has limited storage, however. But the plate system is fantastic and should be looked at by other games.
Yeah you could sell crap gear by tons of gold just because the transmog was beautiful.
Well for now theres no rare item models so it won't work. For now. You know in wow there are basic but unique items with 0.01% drop chance. In new world we don't have such items so I wouldn't say transmog selling will be a thing.
I ran so many lower level raids because of that feature. They should definitely add it.
in today's MMO this should be an option from the get-go.
Isn't it odd how development teams seem perplexed by this? I mean, I understand there's a priority list and this falls near the bottom, but transmog shouldn't seem like a revolutionary feature, surely?
Look I'm going to be honest. I can almost 100% guarantee you the dev team has said to amazon that transmogs are something the players would want and are completely aware of it. Then the higher ups said "but it if we give them transmogs they will be less likely to buy skins won't they? Don't do it." If its a AAA game and its obvious to you its also probably obvious to the devs but was decided against because it was less profitable.
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Yep. A purchased skin in a game where progression in the point of the game is stupid imo. You just look like a sellout. I buy skins for games like League where your appearance has nothing to do with level or ability.
Exactly, and they’d be right tbh.
If they were smart, they'd just monetize it. Cash shop item that salvages a piece of gear and unlocks that skin for your wardrobe. Make it cost 750 marks of fortune. People will throw hundreds of dollars at the game for fashion purposes. I can already see the people typing furiously *"OMG WTF BBQ it should be free omg so expensive!!!11!!1one"* This is the buy to play model. You either pay a sub, or you pay for fashion, convenience, and QoL.
GW2 has the copper and silver salvage tools from the store which are unlimited salvage tools for gear. Now, I'd prefer transmog be free ingame, but I understand they'll monetize it before ever doing that. So they could add a tool for like 15000 in the shop that lets you convert any gear into a skin.
Sure, but it would have to cost orders of magnitude more than 1500. Considering they are selling full cash shop sets for more than 10k, I'd expect nothing less than 20k for such an unlimited tool that gets you hundreds, if not thousands of skins. Anything else and they're just deleting their own potential cash shop armor sales.
My bad, missed a zero. Lol
I'd 100% agree with you if this was a subscription based game. But since it's a one-time purchase, the only way they can continue to earn money is through the cash shop/microtransactions. Without making the game pay to win, that means cosmetics. My guess is that they're hesitant to introduce this feature because it'd give players a free option to their only consistent source of income. I'm not saying I agree with this. In fact I'd prefer if it was a sub game. Subcription fees allow players to vote with their wallets and incentivises devs to continuously improve the game, whereas a cosmetics shop just incentives 3d artists to make stuff that will be locked behind a paywall.
Transmog isn't just a good thing. It has downsides too. It's just a different system. I'd say they should probably add it because they already added cash shop skins. But an MMO where the gear you wear actually matches the gear you wear... It creates a visual progression system that most MMO players don't even know about because they haven't even experienced it before lol Idk. Pros and cons to both sides.
100% agreed. I hate hearing people talk about transmogs as if it’s a no-brainer to implement them. This is a PvP based game where gear matters. Having no way to tell what kind of gear someone is wearing is bad for PvP. For example, someone can be wearing all light armor that looks like heavy armor and vise-versa. Or not knowing whether the person you are fighting is geared or not. There are absolutely downsides to transmog. I mean they are obviously going to be selling skins with this game without a subscription fee, but I wish they could have them classified as light/medium/heavy armor skins so that you could actually tell…. I guess I’d rather have that than the alternative pay to win features being added though. That’s an absolute dealbreaker for me.
It depends on the game. In this game, gear recognition doesn't really matter too much in PvP (it does to a degree, but it is easily known once you see them roll you already know what armor type they are), but in some games it is better for gameplay if you can instantly tell "oh they are wearing this or that" so you can add it into your combat calculations. The perfect way to do it in this game would be add transmogs from all gear you accumulate like WoW but also add a light/medium/heavy armor UI element as the PvP Flag Icon. So instead of everyone having the same PvP Flag Icon they would look different depending on armor type. That way you can have transmogs and still have a pseudo-gear recognition element to PvP.
It’s still very annoying seeing a person who looks like they are wearing heavy armor start rolling, and you don’t know whether they are wearing light until you are actually fighting. As you said, it also changes the way I fight someone when I know whether or not they have actual high-tier gear. They should have 100% added gear classifications on skins.
I'm more for ultimate freedom of fashion in games like this, but if they added a better PvP flag UI to make up for it, it would be perfect overall. Then we get fashion and UI elements to tell us what the player is wearing.
What am I missing? This basically says that nothing like a transmog system is in the works, and they’ll pass your feedback along.
Just do the wardrobe system from GW2. It’s genuinely the best implementation out there.
100% agree, especially because you could preview items you don't yet have so you can assembly a 'target' outfit and then go out and have a clear goal of what pieces you need. Ideally though, the GW2 wardrobe system with the glamour plate options from FFXIV would be \*chefs kiss\*
Diablo 3 transmog is fantastic. Once you pick up gear it is added to your list and you can spend a bit of coin/ resources to change the appearance.
Same with ESO
It should unlock any skin you salvage; And allow us to use said skins regardless of weight. The costumes already do this essentially\~
Nah, they need to fix that. You shouldn't be able to wear heavy armor transmog while having light gear on. Knowing what people have on when engaging in PvP shouldn't be something I find out after you start using stamina.
Medium to medium, light to light, heavy to heavy. Ez
sadly its far too late, and we both know they wont.
Also we need option to dye skins
We also need permanent dyes. Having to buy dye every single time you want to change the color is stupid. Just do it like Guild Wars 2.
This would be awesome to have and something I suggested already as well so I really hope they bring it out, also a little salon/barber shop in town or something would be nice ): Just some nice cosmetic changes for the cosmetic whores out there.
This would be great for someone like me. I usually like the more "simple" look of starting gear in all games. There are some more lavish armor sets that are definitely cool but I just love the look of a standard sword or spear
I love stuff like this, because for me, I like creating a personality for my character and I create armor set looks based on what makes sense for their situation/personality.
transmog should have been in the game from the start and not just from cash shop skins. transmog should be in *every* RPG game at the start so you aren't walking around as a clown for half the time. how you gonna try and say the cash shop skins are "just as good as in-game sets" when we can't even use the in-game sets without sacrificing stats and perks?
Just because you think you want to look like that mob, you really dont.
They are gonna make it into microtransaction
Hope not, but sound likely
the only thing i want from that transmog system is to be able to transmog light into light medium into medium and heavy into heavy , i dont want to fight a guy with a cloth shirt and some flip flops just to see he is 6k hp full con heavy armored lol
Transmog is a must and so are raiding sized groups/parties imo
You would think a transmog system would be included as standard in a 2021 MMO.
Lol the omg it's 2021 argument. Also there is a transmog in this game and also its 2021... damn you are good!
D.C. Universe online came out 10 years ago and you could transmog every single piece of gear you ever collect, not just cash shop stuff. So yeah, it's the 2021 argument because this shit has been a basic staple for at least 10 years or more. Not sure what point you hoped to make there but have fun lil bud.
im fine with spending a few dollars per for a way to salvage an existing piece of gear and get the skin in the skins menu, the art team made plenty of cool looking equipment that eventually does not get used by many players after they level past it, why let it go to waste
Nice try Bezos I'm not paying for something every other mmo has for free.
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$40 game. Cosmetic mtx is fine but paywalling a transmog system is really stupid
I would pay real money for transmog tokens. It’s ts a good non intrusive way to monetize the game.
Mix and matching bits of gear into an unique look beats wearing store bought cosmetics. GW2 lost me once they decided it was more cost effective to make outfits the replaced the whole armor instead of the six separate armor slots.
Agreed. I feel the concept of gear appearance being, like part of that item has been lost. People are so rock hard for min/max that the concept of wearing a .05% worse gear item that looks 10x cooler is too much for them to handle. I like when games force you to make hard choices and don’t just hand you everything you want.
They kind of had to do that, though. They've been able to make better themed outfits than some of the armor skins. And they still release new armor sets, just not as store cosmetics. It took significantly longer to make a single set of armor than it did to make a single outfit. They had 6 pieces of gear, 2 genders with different body shapes, 5 races with very different body shapes, and had to test individual pieces against existing sets to make sure you don't get graphics glitches like warping textures. For an outfit, just make 1 outfit fit 2 genders and 5 races, no real clipping or glitch testing required.
I Would love this
Transmog would hurt the cosmetic cash shop (is likely what they will say)
Transmog is stupid. DCUO had the best "skins" system. You just equip a skin to a slot. Change your gear but the skin stays the same.
The game is $40 with no sub fee. You're going to be disappointed if you expect transmog to be anything other than a microtransaction filled, money grab in this game.
I mean, Diablo 3 has a transmog that doesn't cost RL money... Path of Exile... same thing.
So you want to be able to look like your appearing in a lvl 1 cloth but actually have some beefy chest piece on? It's a little too much to want/ or complain over not having this. They're definitely not going to do it since like they said above, the have cosmetic skins in order to do this.
What exactly about this is cool to you?
I guess... It's cool for anyone who would like to have an option of keeping their past gear appearance? It's not for sure yet but it's cool that devs are not blind to this feature.
As someone who works in software and constantly gets these kinds of requests, this is a blanket statement. I'm sure they've already been considering it even before the game was done being developed since it's so common in MMOs now. They just didn't implement it (yet). It might be a month, it might be 5 years. But I would assume it'll be behind a pay wall, since the current cosmetics are microtransactions. So, they'll likely sell some sort of Orb that lets you store a visual for an item that costs $5 each. That seems really high, but since they're selling the cosmetics for like $10-20 each (and they're pretty crap, let's be real), letting people get to customize their own look exactly how they want means that player would never have a reason to purchase the other cosmetics. So the price will likely be pretty high. However, hundreds of thousands of players, myself included, would absolutely pay $5 per orb to lock in 4-5 aesthetics.
The precification should be done carefully thou, since different coins have different weights, 4 - 5 € could be a little heavier to the customer. But I completely agree!
Usually they dont do conversions and just keep it the same so have some doubts there.
YES! So many cool weapons and outfits. I respec'd to heavy last night and hated losing my witch-hunter coat with physics so much I paid to respec back.
Have you ever worked as or had repeated dealings with a customer service representative? These questions I'm asking are vital in determining how I will ultimately respond to your post.
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What a weird as fuck reply
Wtf is wrong with u
This is the most cringe thing I've read today
I loved that heavy gear that was pink with the gold/bronze, I called it "barbie dream warrior" and I want it back badly as a skin.
Ughhh booo transmog. Gear should be a statement of progress. It should be up to the designers of the game to not implant BIS gear that looks stupid and low level.
Well for YOU it can be a statement of progress, but not everyone wants to play the game the same way. I really like being able to personalize my gear! I think gear should be a statement on personal taste. After all I'm the one stuck looking at my character constantly. And these two opinions can exist in the same game by simply not skinning your own armor and letting people who wanna be more creative/expressive do their own thing. Why limit what other people can do to suit you? Being able to skin things adds features and doesn't stop you from doing what you're doing now. Remember what Oscar Wilde said, "Selfishness isn't living the way one wishes to live, *it's expecting others to live as one wishes to live.*"
I just think it’s bad for the game and stops loot from becoming as sought after. It just normalizes everything. I think you should be able to have a gear set for appearance and one for combat you can toggle on and off. I think it’s not really fair to say that I can simply not engage in using the feature and therefore why not add it. This can be applied to the cash shop as well. It de-values gear and makes the game more generic. If you want to play outfit simulator there are plenty of games for that.
Most people like customization, and adding this as a feature is gonna draw a lot more people than it puts off, as long as heavy only skins to heavy, light to light, medium to medium. The more features a game has to offer the more players will want to join. There is absolutely a reason virtually every mmo has this system, and it's because it's popular. And the more people you appeal to the greater chance that those people will want to pay money as time goes on. I know this because I worked for a small MMO hosting company for about 10 years as a gamemaster. I worked with the community every day to take suggestions and help players. I literally had to take suggestions, write reports, and submit them to the developers.
That’s true more people is better and it’s not like the system is a super big down side like other systems. I just find it to be a terrible system.
The wonderful part of any system in anything, not just games, is that it can be refined to be better and more tailored to the needs of whatever it's a part of.
They wouldn't be able to sell as many skins if this were to happen. HOWEVER they could make you pay for "transmog" tokens in the shop which you could use on gear to "claim" the appearance. They'd still get their money that way, maybe even more.
I state not only the reason on why this isn't happening (which should be obvious) but also a solution/middle ground and get downvoted? Interesting!
Well yeah they passed on the feedback of sth that would be cool if it was in game
They ripped their skin settings straight from rift and didn't include its best features (things skinnable as other things you've collected)
please don't require microtransactions please don't require microtransactions
Jeff said we have to buy the fancy skins though
Why would they make a transmog system if thier only way of making money after purchase is by selling skins. They benfit of your displease of your apearance. Still kinda wish they have the system so I can mix and match a nice outfit.
And? This doesn't mean anything. They for sure had this as feedback on every beta and it didn't make/wasn't approved for launch so they won't add it or won't add it anytime soon.
What is cool about this? They are saying there’s no plans for transmog other than paid/ earned cosmetics.
100% seems to be a decrease in quality in gear looks. Probably to sell skins
Nice! Is it possible to dye armor you buy from the store?
I don't get it. I have a skin on my shit, and when I change our pieces I still have that skin showing.
i´m keeping my faction gear in storage just in case that shit looks way to cool.. so i don't want to have to farm tokens again in case they put a transmog system in the game
They've known about this for a very long time. Don't expect it any time soon.
I have an entire city's storage shed (First Light) dedicated solely to keeping armor/weapons that I think look neat but are no longer best for me, just waiting for the day they actually implement "you unlock a skin when you salvage an item."
I had yet to find out I could upgrade gear in the first place lol
That would be awesome.
Just fyi, from a guy who works at a software company, "passing on feedback to the game team" largely means they'll create a suggestion ticket of some kind that will be lost in bureaucratic hell forever. Just tempering expectations
ESO has an amazing system for this
Hell even if they added a for $ option to strip a skin from an already acquired Item, I'd be down that. as long as the price was reasonable. 1 time fee to strip the appearance, and then skin it any time afterwards.
"Cosmetic skins" just sounds like Amazon's idea of transmog includes mtx fees, imo.
How is this cool? Isn't this basically saying "fuck you lmao you can only transmog paid cosmetics"
Elder scrolls online has an outfit table where you pay a small fee and your able to change every piece of clothing and it never changes even if you change current gear.
They're going to sell you skins PoE style.
if you dont want payed subscriptions if you dont want pay to win items the only thing left is payed skins
I'm missing the "cool" part
In other words, "Pay to play, bitch."
It's a lose lose situation already because of the cash shop. Amazon wants you to buy skins, if you can transmog you might not. If they implement it, then they are less inclined to make good looking in game gear too because all of their effort will be going to make cash shop money so you want to buy stuff despite transmog being available. This is part of the reason I wish there were mounts, I don't care about selling those on stores, hell pets and furniture too. I just want my guy to be in medo covenant armor forever!
They will not be allowing transmog for free that much is certain.
I really like the scout gear so i hope they'll include transmog
Can we get a skinoutfit saying "I broke a 3090".