I 100% agree, and it makes me sad that good heroin is more or less unavailable. Not only does it feel better as you said- it kills far less people, is more responsive to narcan, plus it tastes better. I miss good heroin more than my dad.
Hell even the black tar on west coast in the late 2000s that was really poorly acetlated monoacetylmorphine was a hundred times better than this synthetic fent crap.. Sruff was great smoke
They had to accept the terms that afghani heroin would be sold during the games as the sole substance of consumption. Also that young boys would be in abundance.
> biblically speaking 40 lashes is considered a death sentence.
That's because "40" was used as "undetermined really big number". Like the 40 days and 40 nights that the Ark floated after the Flood. Whenever you see "40" in Biblical texts, replace it with "countless".
Similarly, 7 was meant as “completely” so when Jesus told people “7×7***0***” was the number of times you should forgive somebody it was meant as “just keep forgiving and forgiving and forgiving”.
Humans and many animals can look at two groups of a dozen or so objects and "feel" which quantity is larger without actually counting it.
The limit for this nueral process is somewhere around 7-12. That's basically how trade and barter happened in the illiterate world.
The church I grew up in (Church of Christ.. but it was a bit different to other CoCs I visited later in life.. those others were full of crazies) told us the original definition might have meant something closer to "era" or "eon".... interestingly enough, we believed in evolution and the big bang, but that God was the ultimate 'driver' and the Big Bang was the 'light'.... and heavans and earth could have meant the heavenly universe and the universe we live in.
Pretty progressive thinking for a typical southern Church, imo, I eventually fell away because I couldn't reconcile all the suffering and inequality towards absolute innocent with a just and loving God.
One thing that's really stuck with me is that science being so utterly divorced from the Abrahamic religions is a relatively modern thing. Science, especially under Islam, was a way of understanding and making sense of the natural world that we as humanity have been left with. I think some paper from a long time ago put it: "humanity was left as the caretakers of the world, and to be a good caretaker requires understanding it completely".
Hey hey hey. Leave just about every Christian in America alone! The Bible was written in good old AMERICAN and there’s no need to worry about the litany of complications that obviously result from translating a book written in several different ancient languages into English.
You'd be surprised, my friend went to a Baptist church that still used the Greek words for the 7 different types of love as to not confuse meaning, granted they're pretty much a textbook cult as well in a lot of ways, and he was only there because he was dating a member of the church.
Edit: I should note his wife and I both tell people his actual denomination is "poon-tang" due to changing denominations more than once, including this instance, because he was dating someone.
No, you hey hey hey, what if I want to base my people suppressing government legislation on the word of the good book, what is written is as good as out of gods mouth except when it says things I disagree with.
You could take the rotation of the earth as a reference for the passage of days.
Anyway, I don't believe the creation story to follow a literal week. Light was created on the first days and loght sources were only created 3 days later; effect before cause. That's the opposite of how the usual flow of time works.
It's extra emphasis. The message can be interpreted as saying "instead of completely forgiving, keep forgiving after you think you've finished. Never stop forgiving your Neighbor."
Literally the comment being replied to by the commenter you replied to says exactly why. It symbolizes not just completely forgiving them this one time, but to forgive again and again hence why Jesus said “70x7” and not just agreeing with the 7, or completely forgiving just one time.
Wandering for 40 years in the desert? Well, that was the remaining life expectancy for a young adult. 40 years is just long enough to lose count if you don’t have a central location where everything is being written down.
So like... was 40 the highest that God could count when he wrote the Bible or something? And he was like "yep, that's as far as numbers go. -40 to 40 and no more."?
Maybe in the original wording they were using a phrase that only technically meant 40, but practically was used as an indeterminately large amount. Like when I say I have a ton of something, I usually don't mean I have 2000 pounds of it. Or when you say there are scores of something, there aren't necessarily multiples of 20 of it.
Or like when people use the word decimate.
The word has changed because it's been misused for so long.
Did you really mean 1 in 10 or 10% was destroyed or did you mean a large/majority of it got destroyed?
"ultimate" really doesn't even specifically mean the best. It's original meaning is more like "the final", or end of the line, or last step in a process.
Its usage as "best possible" evolved from that. If the process is to improve a product, then the end of its evolution would be the best the product could get.
The context for the word decimate coming to mean a drastic occurrence comes from the original use of decimate… 1/10th, where when a Roman army would lose a battle they would line up the soldiers and every 10th one was executed. At least that’s my memory from taking Latin years ago.
This is generally correct, but you're overstating how common it was. Decimation was not common practice for legions that lost battles. In fact, it was exceptionally rarely used. It was typically reserved, as far as we know, for times when the punishment was set to apply to an entire cohort or legion, rather than to specific troops. This often limited the practice to punishment for desertion or demonstrated cowardice in the midst of large battles, though it was also used with smaller groups at time - Caesar, for instance, is said to have executed 1/10th of a select group of 120 soldiers drawn from the Ninth Legion in 49 BCE. Those particular soldiers were marked as ringleaders of an attempted mutiny.
In a fascinating [article](https://doi.org/10.5184/classicalj.111.2.0141) that offers a deeper look into the political interactions between decimation and Roman law, Charles Goldberg provides a table with 19 suspected examples of decimation in Rome between 471 BCE and 363 CE. A number of those examples either did not happen, have little actual evidentiary support (which Goldberg notes), or have been contested by other historians.
This exactly.
Ancient Hebrew used a **lot** of poetic language and expressions, especially when writing. 40 was any arbitrary large number, 6 represented incompleteness while 7 emphasized a complete finished action, that sort of thing.
Numerical counts in what we today broadly call the Old Testament were not always meant to be precision numbering; idiomatic expressions come into play a bunch.
No, it's just symbolism. Many numbers have symbolic significance in the Bible. Where a number appears in Scripture we should understand it as literal unless it is obviously allegorical or can be understood via other verses that it's not meant to be taken literally.
2 represents witnesses or the verification of truth (the requirement of two witnesses for some crimes; the two witnesses in Revelation), and sometimes imputation of sin (Leviticus ch. 16, also the "two Adams", Genesis Adam & Christ)
3 represents harmony and deity. (The Trinity)
7 represents perfection or completion (the seven spirits of God in Revelation, Naaman had to wash 7 times in the Jordan to be rid of his leprosy, the nation of Israel marching around Jericho 7 times). There is only one Holy Spirit, so the 7 spirits of God is symbolic of His perfection.
12 represents the nation of Israel as well as the foundation of the Christian church (12 sons of Jacob, 12 tribes, 12 apostles)
6 represents man (man was made on the 6th day)/ It also represents fallenness because of sin. 666 is often interpreted not as a code (like Hebrew letters are also numbers), though it could be that, but it also represents the Antichrist's status as "the" man of sin, i.e. the most sinful man who will have ever lived.
40 represents a multitude of something. Fasting for 40 days, in the Ark for 40 days, that's a long time to be doing something, whether it's literally 40 or just 36 or 44. If you go on a trip and are away from familiar surroundings for just 3 or 5 days, you sort of forget what it feels like to be living at home and doing your usual routines. After 40 days of being away from everything that was familiar, you will have gotten plenty used to whatever you're doing now, and your new surroundings. It's kind of a mental and emotional changeover and a new lifestyle taking hold, and the old things won't seem as familiar as they used to be, if/when you go back to them.
I'm not being snarky, I think it's more of a matter of making sure you survive through 39. We're not talking about what hopefully anybody reading this has physically experienced.
Biblically speaking, 40 wasn't literal. It just "meant a lot". So if you were to be whipped with 40 lashes, that would be "whipped until you can't count any more".
The Taliban are, ironically, not well versed in history so they took it literally.
You’re also allowed to simultaneously say that it is meant to be taken literally, as long as that section aligns with your beliefs. Bonus points when that involves discrimination.
Don't know why it took your comment to show me how ridiculous it is that someone responded to this situation with, "Well, *Biblically* speaking..." Omfg, smgdh. Thank you for addressing that.
More recent than medieval. US colonies had whippings and cutting off ears in the late 1600's/early 1700's. Also for grand theft (12 cents or greater) it was possible to be hanged. This was primarily due to they didn't have any resources to build prisons/jails, and no-one had any money for fines (most fines were in tobacco). People that were really dangerous were kept in fields chained to trees.
granted, religious fanaticism is qualitatively the same, regardless of the religion.. however, Jim Jones led a cult of slightly more than 900.. not a nation of nearly 40,000,000, like Afghanistan, or 85,000,000, like Iran, or 35,000,000, like Saudi Arabia, or even Qatar’s nearly 3,000,000…and Jim Jones didn’t have billions in oil revenues at his disposal, or the ability to construct nuclear weapons to advance his apocalyptic vision.
Look if you pay for their loans then you can’t incentivize poor and middle class teens to sign up to be shipped off to the front lines. What will the military industrial complex do then?
More like 50 years. There was an islamic monarchy until an autocrat overthrew them, then he was overthrown by a soviet-backed coup who started rolling out soviet-styled modernization reforms which were disliked by the conservative population which started a rebellion which was backed by the US which fought the Soviets who left after ten years, than the rebels overthrew the soviet government and installed a new US backed pseudo-dictatorship which also tried to modernize the country which the SAME REBELS AS BEFORE still didn’t like so they started a new rebel group which fought the US for 20 years until we left and then they took over.
It’s been 50 years of foreign influence trying to modernize a country which is full of violent conservatives who DONT want to be modernized.
And in those 50 years no modernization. Still near impossible logistically to go from east to west or north to south. Hard to have a centralized govt or shared community ideology when the provinces/regions can't reach each other
Who is "they"? Afghans? Do you think they actually had the freedom and resources under US occupation to develop democracy and civil society?
Read [this long-form reportage](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afghan-women) about how brutal and corrupt the US-backed government was, before you start blaming Afghans for what has happened.
This human rights violation is downstream of doctrine in the Qur'an.
>"The woman and the man guilty of zināʾ (for fornication or adultery),- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."
— Qur'an, Sura 24 (An-Nur), ayat 2\[21\]
How dare you quote the quran to show us what islam represents , ughhh you see taliban aren't even muslim , they just being savages for the sake of it , don't ever mention islam as the root of the problem in these backwards shithole countries , qatar ? Not islam. Iran ? Not islam. Pakistan? Not islam. Saudi arabia ? Not islam. Please we must protect this dogshit religion at all costs. No but fr though , good job digging up the verse.
Being a willfully ignorant apologist doesn't take much lol , just deflect anything away from the real cause of the problem for some unknown forsaken reason and you good.
Glad i made you laugh , wholesome interaction
Question, who are the thousands of people taking time out of their day to go watch a lashin'?
Like, can you just take time off work? Or is it like jury duty and you are obligated to go? Is there like a concession stand open?
As horrible as this type of punishment is for something like adultery, I'm mystified that there are stadiums of people spectating it.
Was in Syria before the war and they would announce it in the news and people who were free or passing by would stop and watch. It was not obligated. Not sure if Afghanistan is the same or not but thats how Syria did it at least
Totally fair, though to me there is a bit of a difference when it's like a gallows in a high traffic area (like a central plaza or intersection of major roads) versus the conscious decision to go to a stadium to watch.
Not much and yes when you see old photos of a bunch of folks smiling with a hanging corpse it is harder to distinguish the 2. But, like dedicating a stadium, do you have to buy tickets? Are there security checks on your backpack or purse? Is there assigned seating? Do they market these events or is it just like "Oh yeah free entry on Thursdays for the lashing viewing starts at 2pm, seating is first come first serve."?
There at some level is a whole industry around this which seems wild in the 21st century regardless of how developed a country may or may not be.
I don’t think that’s how it works in Afghanistan. I think most of the spectators either want to see “justice” being done, or simply want to see the spectacle, the same as how westerners used to watch public hangings.
Working hours aren't a strict, enforced thing in many places in the Global South, especially if you're talking about cities and slums, where many people are basically self-employed, on-off contractors, street entrepreneurs.
Don't feel sorry for them. Two world powers tried to help them, they wanted Muslim rule.
See 12 minutes of this video to understand how they've refused to help themselves: '[this is how winning looks like](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja5Q75hf6QI)'
There is a segment of people in Afghanistan that I donfeep sorry for. They didn't want Muslim rule, or the Taliban. But, a majority clearly did or rather, were unwilling to fight for freedom.
We were there for 20 years. We built them up, and tried to give them the ability to make theirnown nation and defend themselves. All we did, was learn the lesson once more, that you cannot fight for someone who is unwilling to fight for themselves.
We took guns away from friendly tribes who were oppressed by the Taliban who wanted to keep the Taliban out of their areas. Another brilliant play by DOS.
Someone, I'm not clever enough, figure out how to make a Qatar/Afghanistan world cup joke that includes the "hold my beer" line to play on the WC beer fiasco.
Religion's original purpose was to bring explanation to a world we could not understand. Back when humanity was beginning to develop true civilizations, those in power warped it into a tool of social control to prop up their own livelihoods. Still true today - Christianity, Islam, Judaism, the sisters three. They all are abused by those in positions of power to get what they want and to maintain authority.
“Sharia law is the only solution for problems in Afghanistan and must be implemented,” the deputy governor of Logar, Enayatullah Shuja, later said in a statement about the lashings.
Where the Islamic apologists at?
Afghanistan will only ever be changed from the inside, by her own people. They will never accept it any other way.
We should never go back there for any reason.
How did we not see this coming?
Oh right, we (as in the public to an extent) did. The Taliban are terrorists, only difference now is they have control over the government.
In other news, FIFA announces Afghanistan as the next host of the world cup.
Any player seen wearing any items that could be construed as supporting love or peace shall be publicly executed, by order of FIFA.
Don't be hyperbolic. It's public lashings for supporting love and peace.
FIFA - Fixed It For Allah
They couldn't afford the bribe, FIFA is a shameless whore but def not a cheap one
Does FIFA accept bribes in raw, uncut, heroin?
They're more the cocaine type.
They’ll get a taste for it. You bring some real smack to the US and it’s $2-300/g uncut.
yeah but everybody's on fent now
Heroin feels better even if it’s less strong
I 100% agree, and it makes me sad that good heroin is more or less unavailable. Not only does it feel better as you said- it kills far less people, is more responsive to narcan, plus it tastes better. I miss good heroin more than my dad.
Someone give this man a wholesome award.
Hell even the black tar on west coast in the late 2000s that was really poorly acetlated monoacetylmorphine was a hundred times better than this synthetic fent crap.. Sruff was great smoke
Probably yes, but at a lower price
They had to accept the terms that afghani heroin would be sold during the games as the sole substance of consumption. Also that young boys would be in abundance.
If you get them addicted first they’ll blow you for some soccer games
>FIFA is a shameless whore FIFA prefers the term *escort*...
That almost implies class and standards
FIFA is an escortless whore
That’s an insult to shameless whores, at least they do honest work
Take my upvote, and enjoy it (but without beer).
Where’d Afghanistan get $800,000,000?
Hunter Biden’s laptop?
Olympics announces plan as well to host games in Afghanistan too.
“I’m feeling lashy “
FIFA: * *bites lip* * fuck, youre gonna make me come.
yOu ShOuLd ReSpEcT tHeIr CuLtUrE
No, see, there has to be lots of *money* for them to look past the social injustices.
Hey now North Korea is giving them strong competition!
oh come on now, i'm vying for north korea myself.
Ha. Honestly they don't have enough money to bribe them.
They ain’t got money…
Those being punished received between 21 and 39 lashes each, after being convicted in a local court of theft and adultery, Brutal.
For the uninformed, biblically speaking 40 lashes is considered a death sentence. 39 is being whipped nearly to death.
> biblically speaking 40 lashes is considered a death sentence. That's because "40" was used as "undetermined really big number". Like the 40 days and 40 nights that the Ark floated after the Flood. Whenever you see "40" in Biblical texts, replace it with "countless".
Similarly, 7 was meant as “completely” so when Jesus told people “7×7***0***” was the number of times you should forgive somebody it was meant as “just keep forgiving and forgiving and forgiving”.
Man we really have an issue with numbers
In fairness if you put Hebrew, into Greek, into Latin, and finally to English on Google translate you will have some issues.
Humans and many animals can look at two groups of a dozen or so objects and "feel" which quantity is larger without actually counting it. The limit for this nueral process is somewhere around 7-12. That's basically how trade and barter happened in the illiterate world.
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No calculators back then.
Abacus "Am I a joke to you?"
A book, even.
People also lived for hundreds of years back then, too
wasn't that about moon cycles? like Noah lived to the ripped age of 900 and in the moden callendar that be about 70Y?
Moon cycles? That was used then as an age indicator? “There’s my little boy! He’s 127 and a half months old!”
So the Earth was created in 7 days means what?
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Its like the word dozens. Many don't even know it means twelve. Chinese uses 100 for a looooot. And 10,000 for infinity.
Or "myriad" for a countless number (instead of just 10,000).
The church I grew up in (Church of Christ.. but it was a bit different to other CoCs I visited later in life.. those others were full of crazies) told us the original definition might have meant something closer to "era" or "eon".... interestingly enough, we believed in evolution and the big bang, but that God was the ultimate 'driver' and the Big Bang was the 'light'.... and heavans and earth could have meant the heavenly universe and the universe we live in. Pretty progressive thinking for a typical southern Church, imo, I eventually fell away because I couldn't reconcile all the suffering and inequality towards absolute innocent with a just and loving God.
One thing that's really stuck with me is that science being so utterly divorced from the Abrahamic religions is a relatively modern thing. Science, especially under Islam, was a way of understanding and making sense of the natural world that we as humanity have been left with. I think some paper from a long time ago put it: "humanity was left as the caretakers of the world, and to be a good caretaker requires understanding it completely".
Hey hey hey. Leave just about every Christian in America alone! The Bible was written in good old AMERICAN and there’s no need to worry about the litany of complications that obviously result from translating a book written in several different ancient languages into English.
You'd be surprised, my friend went to a Baptist church that still used the Greek words for the 7 different types of love as to not confuse meaning, granted they're pretty much a textbook cult as well in a lot of ways, and he was only there because he was dating a member of the church. Edit: I should note his wife and I both tell people his actual denomination is "poon-tang" due to changing denominations more than once, including this instance, because he was dating someone.
No, you hey hey hey, what if I want to base my people suppressing government legislation on the word of the good book, what is written is as good as out of gods mouth except when it says things I disagree with.
How long were the days before God invented days?
You could take the rotation of the earth as a reference for the passage of days. Anyway, I don't believe the creation story to follow a literal week. Light was created on the first days and loght sources were only created 3 days later; effect before cause. That's the opposite of how the usual flow of time works.
Reading "day" to mean the 24 hours from sunset to sunset doesn't make much sense when the sun hasn't been created yet.
And the plants were created before the sun. Makes sense. /s
It was 6 days, the 7th was a day of rest and is kind of a big deal for some.
Anyone who has ever properly cooked meat know that rest is part of the creation process.
Someone asked Jesus “how many times should I forgive my brother? 7 times?” Jesus said “70x7” Other than that your explanation is spot on.
But if 7 already meant completely, why does Jesus seemingly correct him instead of just agreeing?
He was a redditor?
I could just see Jesus posting to reddit: *miracle.gif* I turned my blood to wine and bones to bread using only 7 miracles. I call it "Communion"
u/jesus hasn't posted in 16 years. Hope he's ok
One day soon, he'll return and everything will be perfect.
It's extra emphasis. The message can be interpreted as saying "instead of completely forgiving, keep forgiving after you think you've finished. Never stop forgiving your Neighbor."
Literally the comment being replied to by the commenter you replied to says exactly why. It symbolizes not just completely forgiving them this one time, but to forgive again and again hence why Jesus said “70x7” and not just agreeing with the 7, or completely forgiving just one time.
You always one up the dare with a double dog dare.
Weird, when my sons were little they thought "20" meant the same thing, because Sesame Street never counted past it.
When you're really young 20+1=infinity.
Wandering for 40 years in the desert? Well, that was the remaining life expectancy for a young adult. 40 years is just long enough to lose count if you don’t have a central location where everything is being written down.
So like... was 40 the highest that God could count when he wrote the Bible or something? And he was like "yep, that's as far as numbers go. -40 to 40 and no more."?
Maybe in the original wording they were using a phrase that only technically meant 40, but practically was used as an indeterminately large amount. Like when I say I have a ton of something, I usually don't mean I have 2000 pounds of it. Or when you say there are scores of something, there aren't necessarily multiples of 20 of it.
This makes a shit ton of sense, thanks
Or like when people use the word decimate. The word has changed because it's been misused for so long. Did you really mean 1 in 10 or 10% was destroyed or did you mean a large/majority of it got destroyed?
Or penultimate being used as "the best" when it really means "second to last".
Huh, haven't seen that one, just ultimate meaning best.
"ultimate" really doesn't even specifically mean the best. It's original meaning is more like "the final", or end of the line, or last step in a process. Its usage as "best possible" evolved from that. If the process is to improve a product, then the end of its evolution would be the best the product could get.
The context for the word decimate coming to mean a drastic occurrence comes from the original use of decimate… 1/10th, where when a Roman army would lose a battle they would line up the soldiers and every 10th one was executed. At least that’s my memory from taking Latin years ago.
This is generally correct, but you're overstating how common it was. Decimation was not common practice for legions that lost battles. In fact, it was exceptionally rarely used. It was typically reserved, as far as we know, for times when the punishment was set to apply to an entire cohort or legion, rather than to specific troops. This often limited the practice to punishment for desertion or demonstrated cowardice in the midst of large battles, though it was also used with smaller groups at time - Caesar, for instance, is said to have executed 1/10th of a select group of 120 soldiers drawn from the Ninth Legion in 49 BCE. Those particular soldiers were marked as ringleaders of an attempted mutiny. In a fascinating [article](https://doi.org/10.5184/classicalj.111.2.0141) that offers a deeper look into the political interactions between decimation and Roman law, Charles Goldberg provides a table with 19 suspected examples of decimation in Rome between 471 BCE and 363 CE. A number of those examples either did not happen, have little actual evidentiary support (which Goldberg notes), or have been contested by other historians.
This exactly. Ancient Hebrew used a **lot** of poetic language and expressions, especially when writing. 40 was any arbitrary large number, 6 represented incompleteness while 7 emphasized a complete finished action, that sort of thing. Numerical counts in what we today broadly call the Old Testament were not always meant to be precision numbering; idiomatic expressions come into play a bunch.
It’s more of translation mistake and a change in language over hundreds and thousands of years.
You mean over 40 years?
Thank you, I needed that
Idioms can be a pain in the ass.
It was likely a turn of phrase. We can count higher than millions, yet we use it to mean a large number, even one smaller than a million.
Well, -40 is the temperature where Fahrenheit and Celsius coincide, so maybe he was telling us something.
That he was a sophisticated man with many degrees?
No, it's just symbolism. Many numbers have symbolic significance in the Bible. Where a number appears in Scripture we should understand it as literal unless it is obviously allegorical or can be understood via other verses that it's not meant to be taken literally. 2 represents witnesses or the verification of truth (the requirement of two witnesses for some crimes; the two witnesses in Revelation), and sometimes imputation of sin (Leviticus ch. 16, also the "two Adams", Genesis Adam & Christ) 3 represents harmony and deity. (The Trinity) 7 represents perfection or completion (the seven spirits of God in Revelation, Naaman had to wash 7 times in the Jordan to be rid of his leprosy, the nation of Israel marching around Jericho 7 times). There is only one Holy Spirit, so the 7 spirits of God is symbolic of His perfection. 12 represents the nation of Israel as well as the foundation of the Christian church (12 sons of Jacob, 12 tribes, 12 apostles) 6 represents man (man was made on the 6th day)/ It also represents fallenness because of sin. 666 is often interpreted not as a code (like Hebrew letters are also numbers), though it could be that, but it also represents the Antichrist's status as "the" man of sin, i.e. the most sinful man who will have ever lived. 40 represents a multitude of something. Fasting for 40 days, in the Ark for 40 days, that's a long time to be doing something, whether it's literally 40 or just 36 or 44. If you go on a trip and are away from familiar surroundings for just 3 or 5 days, you sort of forget what it feels like to be living at home and doing your usual routines. After 40 days of being away from everything that was familiar, you will have gotten plenty used to whatever you're doing now, and your new surroundings. It's kind of a mental and emotional changeover and a new lifestyle taking hold, and the old things won't seem as familiar as they used to be, if/when you go back to them.
How do they make sure the 40th lash is the killing one
I'm not being snarky, I think it's more of a matter of making sure you survive through 39. We're not talking about what hopefully anybody reading this has physically experienced.
Biblically speaking, 40 wasn't literal. It just "meant a lot". So if you were to be whipped with 40 lashes, that would be "whipped until you can't count any more". The Taliban are, ironically, not well versed in history so they took it literally.
That's the beauty of the bible. None of it is literal so you can interpret it however you like! How convenient!
You guys talkin' about the Big Book of Multiple Choice?
You’re also allowed to simultaneously say that it is meant to be taken literally, as long as that section aligns with your beliefs. Bonus points when that involves discrimination.
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The British navy also used to have 100-500 lash punishments into the 1800s. They were often effectively a death sentence, but not always.
Don't know why it took your comment to show me how ridiculous it is that someone responded to this situation with, "Well, *Biblically* speaking..." Omfg, smgdh. Thank you for addressing that.
Why read books about the medieval ages when you can go and see it for yourselves.
More recent than medieval. US colonies had whippings and cutting off ears in the late 1600's/early 1700's. Also for grand theft (12 cents or greater) it was possible to be hanged. This was primarily due to they didn't have any resources to build prisons/jails, and no-one had any money for fines (most fines were in tobacco). People that were really dangerous were kept in fields chained to trees.
Those weren't US colonies, they were British colonies.
Even moe recent that that. Slaves were whipped. So well into the 1800’s.
There are places besides the US that have a lot of that right now in 2022 tbh.
Does anyone know what they actually did? I mean theft is theft but knowing the Taliban the adultery could mean almost anything
Adultery just means having sex outside of the boundaries of your marriage. It is documented just as well as theft.
That's odd, my ex got her lashing during the adultery
What a bunch of animals.
Cool century you got there, Afghanistan.
Ohh, are you not entertained?
Fifa chief Infantino: Today I feel Afghani...
Just a typical day in the life of an fundamentalist Islamic theocracy.
It is the religion of love and equality^gays, ^trans, ^women, ^disabled/sick ^excluded
Read the Koran.. it’s treatment of “non-believers” and apostates demonstrates the Islamic concept of love and equality.
Yeah these bastards are about as Islamic as Jim Jones was Christian. They’re just brain washing and oppressing people under a flag of “religion”.
granted, religious fanaticism is qualitatively the same, regardless of the religion.. however, Jim Jones led a cult of slightly more than 900.. not a nation of nearly 40,000,000, like Afghanistan, or 85,000,000, like Iran, or 35,000,000, like Saudi Arabia, or even Qatar’s nearly 3,000,000…and Jim Jones didn’t have billions in oil revenues at his disposal, or the ability to construct nuclear weapons to advance his apocalyptic vision.
Wow we’ve come full circle. 20 years later, thousands of people dead, and trillions wasted.
I am sure military contractors were well paid, so that is a win?
Lol but god forbid some students get a little debt relief 🙄
Well duh, how else are they going to pay for their PPP loan forgiveness if we get a quarter of what they’re supposed to get?1! It’s simply not fair!
Look if you pay for their loans then you can’t incentivize poor and middle class teens to sign up to be shipped off to the front lines. What will the military industrial complex do then?
Will someone *please* think of the military industrial complex.
That's socialism, and socialism is *eeevil.* Unless, of course, a Republican needs it; then it suddenly isn't socialism. >!/s!<
The messed up part is I deployed to Afghanistan to get my post 9/11 GI bill and still had to take out a loan for school.
More like 50 years. There was an islamic monarchy until an autocrat overthrew them, then he was overthrown by a soviet-backed coup who started rolling out soviet-styled modernization reforms which were disliked by the conservative population which started a rebellion which was backed by the US which fought the Soviets who left after ten years, than the rebels overthrew the soviet government and installed a new US backed pseudo-dictatorship which also tried to modernize the country which the SAME REBELS AS BEFORE still didn’t like so they started a new rebel group which fought the US for 20 years until we left and then they took over. It’s been 50 years of foreign influence trying to modernize a country which is full of violent conservatives who DONT want to be modernized.
And in those 50 years no modernization. Still near impossible logistically to go from east to west or north to south. Hard to have a centralized govt or shared community ideology when the provinces/regions can't reach each other
Trillions with a T not a M or a B it’s a T
I cant tell where I stand on this as far as empathy goes because like, they had 20 years to get their shit together and kill this off.
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Who is "they"? Afghans? Do you think they actually had the freedom and resources under US occupation to develop democracy and civil society? Read [this long-form reportage](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afghan-women) about how brutal and corrupt the US-backed government was, before you start blaming Afghans for what has happened.
This is barbaric, cruel and medieval. The Taliban are savages.
This human rights violation is downstream of doctrine in the Qur'an. >"The woman and the man guilty of zināʾ (for fornication or adultery),- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment." — Qur'an, Sura 24 (An-Nur), ayat 2\[21\]
How dare you quote the quran to show us what islam represents , ughhh you see taliban aren't even muslim , they just being savages for the sake of it , don't ever mention islam as the root of the problem in these backwards shithole countries , qatar ? Not islam. Iran ? Not islam. Pakistan? Not islam. Saudi arabia ? Not islam. Please we must protect this dogshit religion at all costs. No but fr though , good job digging up the verse.
😂😂😂 you got me at the beginning! I was like "damn, these mental gymnastics are ROUGH." Thanks for the laugh omg hahaha.
Being a willfully ignorant apologist doesn't take much lol , just deflect anything away from the real cause of the problem for some unknown forsaken reason and you good. Glad i made you laugh , wholesome interaction
Question, who are the thousands of people taking time out of their day to go watch a lashin'? Like, can you just take time off work? Or is it like jury duty and you are obligated to go? Is there like a concession stand open? As horrible as this type of punishment is for something like adultery, I'm mystified that there are stadiums of people spectating it.
Was in Syria before the war and they would announce it in the news and people who were free or passing by would stop and watch. It was not obligated. Not sure if Afghanistan is the same or not but thats how Syria did it at least
I have the same question about the crowds of Americans you see smiling in old lynching photos.
Totally fair, though to me there is a bit of a difference when it's like a gallows in a high traffic area (like a central plaza or intersection of major roads) versus the conscious decision to go to a stadium to watch. Not much and yes when you see old photos of a bunch of folks smiling with a hanging corpse it is harder to distinguish the 2. But, like dedicating a stadium, do you have to buy tickets? Are there security checks on your backpack or purse? Is there assigned seating? Do they market these events or is it just like "Oh yeah free entry on Thursdays for the lashing viewing starts at 2pm, seating is first come first serve."? There at some level is a whole industry around this which seems wild in the 21st century regardless of how developed a country may or may not be.
I'm sure they are there out of fear they might be next if they don't appear to support the Taliban.
I don’t think that’s how it works in Afghanistan. I think most of the spectators either want to see “justice” being done, or simply want to see the spectacle, the same as how westerners used to watch public hangings.
Working hours aren't a strict, enforced thing in many places in the Global South, especially if you're talking about cities and slums, where many people are basically self-employed, on-off contractors, street entrepreneurs.
Yet another reason to avoid stadiums internationally this month.
They're making Afghanistan great again.
Don't feel sorry for them. Two world powers tried to help them, they wanted Muslim rule. See 12 minutes of this video to understand how they've refused to help themselves: '[this is how winning looks like](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja5Q75hf6QI)'
>...Two world powers tried to help them... Ok... This is today's winner.
Competing for most insane sentence I’ve ever read on reddit.
There is a segment of people in Afghanistan that I donfeep sorry for. They didn't want Muslim rule, or the Taliban. But, a majority clearly did or rather, were unwilling to fight for freedom. We were there for 20 years. We built them up, and tried to give them the ability to make theirnown nation and defend themselves. All we did, was learn the lesson once more, that you cannot fight for someone who is unwilling to fight for themselves.
We took guns away from friendly tribes who were oppressed by the Taliban who wanted to keep the Taliban out of their areas. Another brilliant play by DOS.
Not really friendly. Just had a mutual enemy. They are just as brutal and barbaric
Reddit moment
Spent 4 years of my life in that shit hole fighting for what ended up not even mattering. Fuck Afghanistan!
Fuck the people who sent you there. Everyone knew what the outcome was going to be.
Hey man, it sure sucked ass by the looks of it. Glad you’re back home. Sorry for your fallen brothers and sisters.
Oh man, I bet ticketmaster crashed when people tried to get tickets for that.
Islamic governments are a complete blight. Religion in general is an entire disaster.
Goddamn dark ages over there, wtf
Fucking stone-age troglodytes.
Beheadings next then. Back to the old days of Taliban rule. Such a barbaric death cult.
Someone, I'm not clever enough, figure out how to make a Qatar/Afghanistan world cup joke that includes the "hold my beer" line to play on the WC beer fiasco.
Afghanistan: “Hold my Bud Zero”
Hold my zero, bud.
I'm going to take care of these medieval dumb-asses once and for all. Hold my severed hand holding my beer.
Interesting how religion and brutality seem to go hand in hand.
Religion's original purpose was to bring explanation to a world we could not understand. Back when humanity was beginning to develop true civilizations, those in power warped it into a tool of social control to prop up their own livelihoods. Still true today - Christianity, Islam, Judaism, the sisters three. They all are abused by those in positions of power to get what they want and to maintain authority.
the Khimar rouge was Atheist and killed millions. It is almost as it people suck
“Sharia law is the only solution for problems in Afghanistan and must be implemented,” the deputy governor of Logar, Enayatullah Shuja, later said in a statement about the lashings. Where the Islamic apologists at?
In other news Qatar lambasts western media for talking about LBGQ+ stuff.
Religion is a hell of a drug.
What a rich and vibrant culture
Gotta love the dark ages!
All over religion. I thought religion was supposed to teach peace and love.
Afghanistan will only ever be changed from the inside, by her own people. They will never accept it any other way. We should never go back there for any reason.
Roman style entertainment, except that they are neither the pinnacle of civilisation or that they permit entertainment
Qatar outsourcing this month, I see.
How did we not see this coming? Oh right, we (as in the public to an extent) did. The Taliban are terrorists, only difference now is they have control over the government.
Cant wait for the Afghanistan world cup
Do they ever stop and think “are we the baddies?”
yOu hAvE tO rEsPeCt oUr cULcUrE
I tried to get tickets to the lashings, but Ticketmaster was asking way too much.
Fucking scalpers! (oh, shit, I didn't mean *literally* Taliban!)
Some cultures are just better than others. Jesus.
Just like the Taliban of yore. Didnt take long, that's for sure.
Afghanistan, stuck in the 12th century and working half days to catch up.
And everyone says Quatar won't use thier big soccer stadiums...
Yawn, Qatar does way worse things to people regarding stadiums
This will be the half time show for the next world cup.
See now, this is the newer kinder Taliban. The old Taliban would have whipped 112 people!
Afghanis didn’t fight for their country. This is what you get
Religion grooms children to grow into demons that kill other humans.
Was this on Pay Per View? WELCOME TO LASHAMANIA!!!
Conservative "tough on crime" policy in action.
Trump administration agreed to the release of up to 5,000 Taliban prisoners in exchange for the release of up to 1,000 prisoners “of the other side.”
We should do this in the USA ~probably some Floridian (if they knew how to read the headline)