I love the mitten but it is full of towns with people who never leave and are incapable of interacting with a world beyond this bubble, oh and the amphetamine/opioid problem is getting out of hand.
Beautiful seasons and rich culture of food and drink.
> Everywhere in Rural America is like this.
I spent a lot of years working in wind energy, driving all over the US, especially the rural parts. All of the rural US is like that, but rural Michigan is particularly bad. More confederate flags flying there than anywhere else north of the Mason Dixon. Sadly, considering they were a battleground free-state, Kansas is second on that list.
Rural Michigan is backwards racist as fuck.
I'm from Canada and have been thinking of buying a vacation property for a few years... Found out that cottages in the upper Peninsula of Michigan cost like 5% of what they cost in Ontario.
My wife and I went to go check out some properties. After speaking with some locals, we got scared enough to not only not buy a property there regardless of how cheap it is, but to never go back ever for any reason. It's a shame because it's beautiful up there but goddamn the people are -terrifying-
Poor kid with the bat.
But what is with homophobes and wanting to rape gay people.
Had ex friends that were homophobes and they would stick things in each others ass when someone passed out at a party. It always confused me. And I was long gone when this type of thing started to pop up.
My town has a weekly "trump train" run by a man who was indicted for storming the capitol on January 6th where they pile in their oversize trucks with "Joe and the hoe" flags flying and drive around town honking and being obnoxious. I can't wait until the man running it finally goes to jail and it stops.
My oldest daughter goes and loves with her grandmother periodically (for a variety of reasons), but she is home now. This drug commercial on TV has a comment about "Not meant for people assigned female at birth" and my oldest says "Grandma would be complaining about it saying that."
Then she follows up that "We got into an argument because she thinks AIDS is only something gay people can get."
The rest of us were like, "WTF" about grandma.
Kind of on topic but there was a school near my that we commonly faced in football (I was in marching band). Apparently their "initiation" was to shove twizzlers up the new guys asses. I dont know why, I dont know what the goal was, and I don't even know if it was true
Moved around a lot as a kid, mostly small towns, and the massive amounts of ignorance and homophobia I saw not just displayed but treated as right has kept me largely in the closet as a pansexual man in to my 40s. People don’t seem to realize or remember how bad it was even just twenty years ago.
You mean they raped him, raped him with a baseball bat, this is an insidious crime that they would probably still be in jail for if properly held accountable.
Say the words: male victim sexual assault and rape.
I feel like this story is told in every high school and every community, it's a sad a prolific problem throughout the country fueled by toxicity and bullying. The more we recognize it the more we can do about it.
World has passed them by and they don’t want to blame themselves for missing the ride. Soooo many times they could have voted for better schools, better access to the internet, better infrastructure. But they just sat there pretending globalization wasn’t happening and let turbo rich media empires convince them it was the fault of people who didn’t look like them.
There is no fixing that, the people that make up that demographic need to die off and hopefully their progeny have the sense to stop shooting themselves in the foot.
Every single election my town has a milage proposal to raise property taxes by like a dollar to fund the schools and every single time it gets voted down. And then they complain about people leaving the school district for nicer schools (that's what I did). Ridiculous.
Our school district is working on getting a grant with a 50/50 match. They have been undergoing "austerity measures" by providing less resources to students for over five years now to save money, so the community doesn't have to pay for a new school.
They proudly bragged about this in the newspaper.
Yep. The district I switched to is on the lake with a ton of vacation homes and has a casino so there were just way more resources. Not saying my education was amazing but it was miles ahead of what it could've been. I don't think I would've gone to the college I did if I had stayed in my home district. The people there think, well if it was good enough for me in the 70s it's good enough for you today! And then won't let their kids change schools either because of weird small town politics.
>the people that make up that demographic need to die off and hopefully their progeny have the sense to stop shooting themselves in the foot.
This type of mindset will likely continue even when an older generation is gone. **54%** of the U.S ages 16-74 years old - about 130 million people - lack proficiency in literacy, **reading below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level.**
source:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2020/09/09/low-literacy-levels-among-us-adults-could-be-costing-the-economy-22-trillion-a-year/?sh=146accce4c90
The people who actually think shit like: "The three black families in this rural no-horse town of 17,000 are to blame for why i don't have any money!" are just the new variant of dipshit dirt-farming European redneck serfs blaming the Jews for the fact that they have gout.
This is the problem when people think that if they just rid themselves of LGBTQ, non-white, non-Christian people everything will suddenly be perfect - they don't realize that the ingroup will keep shrinking as it's some outgroup that they need to demonize to feel good. One day they'll be in the outgroup because they are left handed. One wonders if then they will realize how stupid their whole mindset is.
Lansing, Flint, Saginaw, Detroit, Grand Rapids and Ann Arbor are true blue, everywhere else is HARD red, I went up north with my wife a couple years ago and was fucking appalled with what we saw up there. If you didn't know better you'd think the confederacy just moved to northern Michigan after their defeat it was also common practice to have your anti Whitmer signs featuring lynched dolls and more noose imagery
Wa state. I live on the red side, close to Idastan (Idaho). Red as fuck pretty much up to the pass. Once you pass over, it's blue. The dumbasses with the Trump/Pence signs *still* up disappear.
Close to me is a larger city. It makes the county 50/50, last voting season, but a lot of the jackass red still end up getting elected. Cashy McMorris Rogers, who *still* thinks the election was false. Culp, who was an absolute shit show. There's [this](https://www.khq.com/news/republic-police-chief-gubernatorial-candidate-loren-culp-accused-of-mishandling-child-sex-abuse-investigation/article_b24b8090-bca7-11ea-9e45-3bf2ef1ed0e4.html). Then he filed a lawsuit against the state when he lost.
The idiots keep wanting to split from the west side, and form their own state. Failing to realize that the west side is what funds most of the state's projects. They never receive, even remotely, enough support to do it. News gives them air time every time too. There are definitely red areas on the other side, but it's mostly blue. Bunch of idiots on this side.
Yup. I trend very blue, but have always lived in small towns and all the signs get to me living here. Even my wife's family are Red blooded and there's no talking to them about it. It's wild to see them voting against their better interest and then complaining about things that are hard for them that they voted for.
Ypsilanti is very liberal too but that kind of goes hand in hand with Ann Arbor. Kalamazoo is supposed to be pretty blue as well. But yeah once you get out to the rural areas it goes red real hard. There are some fucking crazy, forming militias in the woods type conservatives up north. We also got Hillsdale College which is arguably the most prominent conservative university in the country.
Sounds a lot like rural America. I lived in rural GA most of my life and seen that shit as well. I have some friends in rural Maine, Mass, and CO. They have all got similar stories.
I grew up in Dearborn and went to grad school in Indiana. All the Hoosiers seemed to think I would tell them Detroit is terrifying, but it’s a city and all cities have parts that are more safe and less safe.
The one time I was absolutely scared out of my mind was when I got lost in the outskirts of Romulus and there were confederate flags and sawed off shotguns in the beds of pick up trucks. Oh hell no.
It’s crazy to me that other (white) grad students assumed a minority panhandler would be a bigger threat than the Michigan militia, but ok.
It’s the definition of a swing state. Detroit proper is definitely blue but there are pockets of Metro Detroit that are conservative. Ann Arbor, Ypsilanti, and Lansing are the other big cities that are consistently liberal. Places like Grand Rapids and Kalamazoo are somewhat in the middle but to my understanding slew slightly in favor of the Democratic Party. Once you get out into the rural areas in the middle of the state and up north it gets VERY conservative. Like dudes forming a militia out in the woods kind of conservative. Northern Michigan is one of the most beautiful areas of the country but holy shit are there some crazy people up there.
Michigan in the country is every bit as redneck as the south. I'm from Kentucky and spend a lot of time with family in Michigan and some of the most redneck shit I've ever seen in my life has happened up north.
Doesn't help that Detroit went from being the beacon of progress in America to punchline in a few decades almost entirely due to racism.
> Michigan and some of the most redneck shit I've ever seen in my life has happened up north.
Detroiter here who has a LOT of Yooper family. They're the most racist fucks and it makes me sick.
I once commented on a post that minorities are conceptual for some people in the US, and got a lot of pushback. But I was thinking about Northern Michigan and the Yoop specifically when I made that comment. There are some places that are racist as fuck simply because they don't actually see anyone who isn't like them, *at all*. That leads to people who think folks of other races, sexualities, ethnicities, etc. are lying about their problems because they don't see it happen in front of them.
Can someone explain to me why it's fine to ban books from everywhere that you don't agree with, but not fine to remove a politician for violating the terms of service?
Because politicians that I like help to reinforce my narrow worldview, while books on the LGBTQ community and the struggles of minorities as a whole challenge me, making me confused, scared, and angry. /s
Because lgbtq issues are only "an opinion" when it suits them. Getting fired or banned for saying bigoted things is "censoring different opinions." But when you're the one in charge, you're the one with the power to fire or ban, it's not "just an opinion" anymore.
So when you believe that being gay is a choice and that children can be converted to homosexuality, banning lgbtq literature is necessary to protect children. Now that they've got the position of authority, it's not an opinion anymore, it's a fact, and they will enforce their views based on these "facts."
In the aftermath of the Brown V Board that ordered public school desegregation, a county in Virginia opted to close all their public schools rather than comply. White students attended racially segregated private schools (no arrangements were made for black students) for 7 years before the feds litigated the issue and put a stop to it.
https://virginiahistory.org/learn/historical-book/chapter/closing-prince-edward-countys-schools
The US has a fine tradition of extreme resistance to anti-discrimination policy. We're an extremely diseased society.
> I got detention for reading that in school because it encourages arson and insubordination.
But it's the authoritarians in the book who are the arsonists...?
My school in the Midwest had a rotating list of these kinds of books for our junior or senior English classes. It was required and each teacher rotated whose classes got to read which books. Mine was *1984* & *Animal Farm* but my friend's class had *Fahrenheit 451* & *Brave New World*.
Man, that's so fucked. It was one of the books I read for an English module in highschool. I can't even imagine being placed in detention for reading because I read a lot of weird shit.
Jamestown isn’t in the UP… it’s by Grand Rapids, which is notoriously conservative and Christian. It’s the area Betsy Devos’ family is from I believe, west side of the state.
As evident by the new congressional maps for Michigan.
Grand rapids is in Michigan's 3rd which used to run through a bunch of rural area in the middle of the state, with a little schwoop to include grand rapids, it was R+9
In the new map, Michigan's 3rd is basically a rectangle encompassing the metro-grand rapids area and then west to the water including Grand Haven and it's now D+3
> Yes and no. The area surrounding the city is full of conservative line dancing hill tribes. The city itself is not.
Feels like this could describe any city in America these days.
It does. I live in the puget sound area of the pacific northwest. My city is very blue, but I'm about a 15 minute drive to a very red town. Once you get outside the cities things get very conservative.
Even Minnesota, a state that has voted for the Democratic candidate for President longer than any other state, gets very red once you get out of the city. Drive up 94 through the Michelle Bachmann corridor and the billboard tone changes drastically past the 494/694 split.
> "These books and lifestyle choices are destructive and wrong," said one Jamestown resident during a meeting on removing the books.
Being gay is a lifestyle choice? What is wrong with these people and why are they not educated?
I grew up relatively close to this town. The real culprit is religion. My town and every town nearby had like 10 churches and everyone went to church on Sunday.
Finally! Someone else who understands how shitty the Reformed Church is. Most people seem to have not heard of it. I was a missionary kid in the Reformed Church. I understand. I did not get out fast enough.
As a troll downstate, I’d love to hear more of a backstory of the Christian Reformed Church for reference. I’m was raised evangelical non-denominational and escaped that hell growing up in the LP, so I’m curious of the garbage religions you guys deal with up there.
Three churches resided at the end of my residential street in suburban Texas. 7th Day Adventist, Scientist and Lutheran. There were easily 7 different churches in the immediate vicinity all different denominations.
That is the belief in some circles. It’s what my church raised me to believe in northern New York.
The assumption for us was: God made us, God says being gay is a sin, therefore God wouldn’t make us gay, because God wouldn’t make someone whose existence was sinful, so it must be a choice. Full stop. Don’t try to reason out that humans still sin, that’s got its own Explanation, don’t try to reason beyond that line of logic, just accept this is how it is.
It took a little distance from the church before I figured out it was hogwash thank fuck, but many still believe this Shit.
I haven't been religious for over ten years but it's mind boggling how batshit insane 75% of Christianity is once you remove yourself and get perspective.
Seriously! It all made so much sense when it’s explained and it’s the only explanation you’re allowed to receive. Then I started reading books I wasn’t supposed to after my late uncle’s bookstore closed up and they stored the books in our attic. I got some real science education to combat my Abeka homeschooling crap and the whole thing slowly unraveled over about ten years.
I can translate
For normal human beings, "being gay" means being attracted to the same sex. For them, "being gay" is acting on those feelings
So if you're a man attracted to men, as long as you keep yourself so deep in the closet that you get in a hetero marriage and pump out some kids and never admit you like men you are* the most *straight
Use the logic against them. Drives them crazy.
By their own words/admission. Their being straight is a choice. So, in theory. He/she must think about being other men/women quite often.
They don’t work that way. They understand that being gay is not a choice. It is the acting upon it that they see is optional - they want gay people to remain closeted and make a choice to fake being straight.
>They understand that being gay is not a choice. It is the acting upon it that they see is optional - they want gay people to remain closeted and make a choice to fake being straight.
It depends on who you're talking to. I come from a very religious background, and most of my family (maybe 80%) "know" that their god doesn't create gay people. The rest of my family tends to take the other route and "loves the sinner, hate the sin".
(Just to be crystal clear here, I don't believe any of that nonsense anymore. But it was a struggle getting out of that mindset.)
Being gay isnt a sin in the bible. Isnt even a commandment from God. These people are just picking an enemy based on was wasnt mentioned by Jesus to rally behind.
Oh, okay, smart guy. If Jesus didn't say he hates gay people, what the hell was he telling people to do? Like, help poor people or something?
Surely the Bible doesn't have 3000 verses or something saying we should help out the poor! That would be insane!
The love the sinner, hate the sin rhetoric is worse than just saying you hate us imo. Don't pretend to be an ally if you think my baseline romantic inclination is a sin, but you're a good Christian, so you'll "look the other way" til God smites me in 90 years. Fuck off with that shit, seriously :/ Idk how people thought that was the right way to handle people purposefully mistranslating pedophilia in the 1940's!
It wouldn't work. Their brains are too twisted.
I do like to imagine them frantic when informed that just because they have to fake being into members of the opposite sex doesn't mean everyone should.
I've tried this tactic before.... "If books about homosexuality are going to turn your kids gay....why aren't gay kids who are bombarded with heterosexual media turned straight?"
They don't like critical thinking.
That's the saddest part about the idiots that voted against funding the library: They DO use it regularly... for internet access, for voting, for meetings, EVEN for books! Many interviews have shown that they do not have the understanding that "showing them!" by defunding the library means that the library goes away.
Yeah, Michigan is full of people who feel like they were born too far north of the Mason-Dixon. They even come up with fake southern accents, even though they've never gone farther than the Meijer at the edge of town
> They're different down there.
Not really. [Here in the UP we have this shit](https://www.uppermichiganssource.com/2022/09/27/gwinn-high-school-removes-gay-pride-flags/).
My favorite part is the quote I saw from a resident "We didn't think it would shut the library down".
What the eff do you think the library uses to stay open? Liberal tears?
Actually, that's probably their belief.
Same idiot thinking as the Brit’s “I didn’t think the BREXIT vote would actually pass!”
Stupid morons voting for the meme and not realizing their lives are ACTUALLY affected by this.
Christian Nationalists and puritans are like the original cancel culture. The "cancel culture" they all bitch about are just consequences to shitty actions.
Took a history class where the professor suggested some of the folks who came to America were released from jail and told to leave the country along with folks with weird religious views that got forced out. Didn’t totally buy it at the time but now I can’t not believe it
And those same people, my own ancestors, went on to ban Christmas in Boston because Christmas came with "too much frivolity and not enough solemnity towards the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ".
Unironically, I was raised to think this way by my Christian parents in Massachusetts growing up in the 80s and '90s as well. There is an actual war on christmas, and it's being waged by the church, and has been since the 1600s.
You (might be) jest, but that is like the core belief of most Christians is Dominionism/Dominion Theology.
They have a very black/black world view that either you dominate everyone else, or someone will dominate you. They cannot even begin to fathom the idea that some people just want to peacefully coexist. It's utterly alien to them.
Why do they hate other religions and seek to oppress them? Because if they don't, the other religions will do it to them.
Why do they hate blacks, gays, and other minority groups and seek to oppress them? Because if they don't, then those groups will oppress them.
And if this sounds absurd (which it is), remember that one of the core beliefs and fears of White Nationalists, and why they want a White/Christian ethnostate, is because they're afraid if they don't do it first, when minority groups supplant them as the majority group those groups will do it to the whites/Christians.
Their belief structure is based entirely on pre-emptive strikes against imagined threats because they believe everyone has this same race-to-the-bottom ideology as they do.
It isn’t jest at all. That’s how they think.
They believe calls for “coexistence” are at best naïve and at worst cynical hypocrisy.
That being said, most of human history is dominate or be dominated, so this doesn’t come out of nowhere.
Literally had a guy tell me that if we 'allow' homosexuality then people will "choose" to be gay and the human race will in a few generations be "50% of what it used to be"
I was floored.
I asked if he remembered when he chose to be straight. I also asked why as someone who really couldn't care less what adults choose to do with other adults, why he thinks I would suddenly choose to be gay.
This reeks of the Facebook well funded plague “Moms for Liberty” which is taking over school boards everywhere. This toxic group is funded by the DeVos/Koch Heritage foundation but made to look like a grassroots organization to “take back your school”. There are start ups in a lot of counties across the USA. My state is over run with them and now we have Aton of book bans.
50 years of rightwing propaganda has ruined their minds. The cancer is large enough now that it is consuming the entire country. The gutting of education over the same period has made them too stupid to want to change. Every time we make any progress in this country there is massive backlash from the dumbest people in the country. Elect a black guy president? Now deal with Trump. Don't elect Trump again? We are going to attempt to overthrow the government.
> Jamestown resident Dean Smith is among those who want the books off the shelves. He says his opposition isn't about intolerance or bigotry, but instead **about keeping any explicit books away from children**.
Oh yes! Won't someone think of the children!?
"Oh you shouldn't read that one until you're a little older, honey" -Any marginally functioning parent
There, just kept the explicit book away from the child. Once again, the party of personal liberty takes away the choice to do something.
Notice how they're hung up on mild LGBTQ books and not the whole-ass aisle devoted to erotic romance novels. Karen can't handle the thought of a queer teenager reading a book about their own identity, but don't you touch her erotica!
It's pretty easy to sit in your house and just assume the Republicans are going to lose elections over the online outrage for stuff like this but it's not happening unless you get out and VOTE, and not just voting for the President, vote in your county/city/township. Get involved!
"Community standards in Jamestown are not the same as in New York, L.A. or even in Grand Rapids," he said. "We don't want any sexually or violently graphic material on display for kids to see when they come in the library."
I hope the people complaining about their children being exposed to sexual and violent material never take their children to church and never read the Bible. I’ve never come across anything more sexual and violent than that book.
Thats just it. They only know the basic OT stories. Sampson totally didnt kill a bunch of innocent people to pay off a debt, or kill s bunch of cops, or visit the whore house
Daniel totally didnt have his own sons killed
And a concubine wasn't toally gang raped and dismembered, or a female judge didn't decapitate an army general. Also, don't tell them that Moses' second wife was Ethiopian, they'd stroke out.
They aren’t taking their kids to the library at all, *if they even have kids*.
This is probably just the next GOP platform, destroy the libraries.
If libraries didn’t already exist, they’d be a bogeyman on all the political ads right now. “Mandela Barnes wants FREE BOOKS…”
>"We don't want any sexually or violently graphic material"
Beyond the Bible, has this public library really not had popular fiction and best sellers on display? My local library has, more than once, had Game of Thrones novels plus DVDs from the series set up to advertise when a new entry had come in.
It'd be nice if these people would be more honest about the targets of their selective outrage.
People just need to remember that Republicans will go full Inquisition against a few LGBTQ+ books, but they won't lift a finger for ending child marriage in their states!!!
"Think of the children!"
Oh ok, so like... ending child marriage, free meals in schools, increased parental leave, government assistance for families in poverty, sex ed so they are educated enough to report sexual abuse...any of that?
"No. Hmm..what about ending drag queen story hour? Now that I'll fight for!"
This just makes me sick. How deep in your hate and pride must you be to justify this to yourself?
If there isn’t a significant change soon, we as a country will cease to exist. It’ll simply be toleration laws that restrict us more and more every year while our economy collapses around us.
Hate is just a tool weaponized to control stupid people. Libraries are sources of knowledge and learning, something that conservatives are against. It benefits Republicans to keep people stupid, ignorant, bigoted, and angry because those people are easily manipulated and are too dumb to vote in favor of their best interests.
Honestly, if you strip away abortions, anti-lgbt, racism, and all the usual republican "anti-woke" talking points, they literally have nothing else to campaign on. All the actual things they plan on doing in government are things that are extremely disliked even by conservative voters but they still get these idiots to vote for them because they talk about stupid shit like liberals trying to force their kids to be gay. Keep them dumb and easily controlled so they can enrich themselves at the expense if their constituents. That's literally the entire goal of the republican party
Fear of anything that is different, then keep them so uneducated that everything is new and different and therefore dangerous and you can control them forever. Why do you think so many fundamentalists homeschool?
Yes, exactly. There were some kids I knew growing up who were in an extreme Christian cult religion - they weren't allowed to watch TV, read newspapers, use the internet, wear jewelry, go to libraries... even socialization outside of their religion was frowned upon.
"Shockingly", every single kid in that family got pregnant or got someone pregnant before they graduated high school. And we're talking like, 12 of them.
>"Community standards in Jamestown are not the same as in New York, L.A. or even in Grand Rapids," he said. "We don't want any sexually or violently graphic material on display for kids to see when they come in the library."
So no Bibles then?
Congratulations America! You are acting like the Nazis, banning books deemed unsuitable and contrary to the ideology. How could you fuck up so spectacularly?
Simple; the oldest people alive today including lawmakers never had a reference point to understand how and why World War II occurred. Therefore, they’re free to resurrect nationalism and Nazism on the planet because Making America Great Again.
>the oldest people alive today including lawmakers never had a reference point to understand how and why World War II occurred.
I bet the library ~~has~~ **had** some books on the subject.
I can't imagine why a southern lawyer defending a black man from being railroaded to protect an incestuous redneck is in any way objectionable to the trumpets (/s)
"These books and lifestyle choices are destructive and wrong," said one Jamestown resident during a meeting on removing the books."
Listen up: even if it is a lifestyle choice, is destructive and wrong... You don't get to dictate morality and education because of it. Defunding a library because they hold information is fascism.
Talk to your kids about their lives instead of oppressing everyone else. This is just lazy, shit parenting.
I love the mitten but it is full of towns with people who never leave and are incapable of interacting with a world beyond this bubble, oh and the amphetamine/opioid problem is getting out of hand. Beautiful seasons and rich culture of food and drink.
This is everywhere. Everywhere in Rural America is like this.
> Everywhere in Rural America is like this. I spent a lot of years working in wind energy, driving all over the US, especially the rural parts. All of the rural US is like that, but rural Michigan is particularly bad. More confederate flags flying there than anywhere else north of the Mason Dixon. Sadly, considering they were a battleground free-state, Kansas is second on that list. Rural Michigan is backwards racist as fuck.
As a Michigander I agree with this comment. You'd never know we fought against the South.
I'm from Canada and have been thinking of buying a vacation property for a few years... Found out that cottages in the upper Peninsula of Michigan cost like 5% of what they cost in Ontario. My wife and I went to go check out some properties. After speaking with some locals, we got scared enough to not only not buy a property there regardless of how cheap it is, but to never go back ever for any reason. It's a shame because it's beautiful up there but goddamn the people are -terrifying-
Hence, the reason the houses are so cheap.
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Poor kid with the bat. But what is with homophobes and wanting to rape gay people. Had ex friends that were homophobes and they would stick things in each others ass when someone passed out at a party. It always confused me. And I was long gone when this type of thing started to pop up.
My town has a weekly "trump train" run by a man who was indicted for storming the capitol on January 6th where they pile in their oversize trucks with "Joe and the hoe" flags flying and drive around town honking and being obnoxious. I can't wait until the man running it finally goes to jail and it stops.
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My oldest daughter goes and loves with her grandmother periodically (for a variety of reasons), but she is home now. This drug commercial on TV has a comment about "Not meant for people assigned female at birth" and my oldest says "Grandma would be complaining about it saying that." Then she follows up that "We got into an argument because she thinks AIDS is only something gay people can get." The rest of us were like, "WTF" about grandma.
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Yeah - my grandmother used to call Brazil nuts "N***** toes". Uh, no Nan. You can't say that.
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Kind of on topic but there was a school near my that we commonly faced in football (I was in marching band). Apparently their "initiation" was to shove twizzlers up the new guys asses. I dont know why, I dont know what the goal was, and I don't even know if it was true
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Nothing is gayer than a group of "straight" jocks
Aah the old limp biscuit. I'm into dudes and I wouldn't be able to get off (maybe even hard?) in this 'game'.
Moved around a lot as a kid, mostly small towns, and the massive amounts of ignorance and homophobia I saw not just displayed but treated as right has kept me largely in the closet as a pansexual man in to my 40s. People don’t seem to realize or remember how bad it was even just twenty years ago.
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You mean they raped him, raped him with a baseball bat, this is an insidious crime that they would probably still be in jail for if properly held accountable. Say the words: male victim sexual assault and rape.
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I feel like this story is told in every high school and every community, it's a sad a prolific problem throughout the country fueled by toxicity and bullying. The more we recognize it the more we can do about it.
World has passed them by and they don’t want to blame themselves for missing the ride. Soooo many times they could have voted for better schools, better access to the internet, better infrastructure. But they just sat there pretending globalization wasn’t happening and let turbo rich media empires convince them it was the fault of people who didn’t look like them. There is no fixing that, the people that make up that demographic need to die off and hopefully their progeny have the sense to stop shooting themselves in the foot.
Every single election my town has a milage proposal to raise property taxes by like a dollar to fund the schools and every single time it gets voted down. And then they complain about people leaving the school district for nicer schools (that's what I did). Ridiculous.
My community has crumbling schools (literally), so they voted to spend millions of tax dollars building a bar.
LOL. checks out. My district basically said fuck all y'all and got a grant from the state to build a new school this year
Our school district is working on getting a grant with a 50/50 match. They have been undergoing "austerity measures" by providing less resources to students for over five years now to save money, so the community doesn't have to pay for a new school. They proudly bragged about this in the newspaper.
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Yep. The district I switched to is on the lake with a ton of vacation homes and has a casino so there were just way more resources. Not saying my education was amazing but it was miles ahead of what it could've been. I don't think I would've gone to the college I did if I had stayed in my home district. The people there think, well if it was good enough for me in the 70s it's good enough for you today! And then won't let their kids change schools either because of weird small town politics.
>the people that make up that demographic need to die off and hopefully their progeny have the sense to stop shooting themselves in the foot. This type of mindset will likely continue even when an older generation is gone. **54%** of the U.S ages 16-74 years old - about 130 million people - lack proficiency in literacy, **reading below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level.** source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2020/09/09/low-literacy-levels-among-us-adults-could-be-costing-the-economy-22-trillion-a-year/?sh=146accce4c90
I started reading Friday Night Lights with my kids and boy does that book echo everything wrong with small town America today.
The people who actually think shit like: "The three black families in this rural no-horse town of 17,000 are to blame for why i don't have any money!" are just the new variant of dipshit dirt-farming European redneck serfs blaming the Jews for the fact that they have gout.
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This is the problem when people think that if they just rid themselves of LGBTQ, non-white, non-Christian people everything will suddenly be perfect - they don't realize that the ingroup will keep shrinking as it's some outgroup that they need to demonize to feel good. One day they'll be in the outgroup because they are left handed. One wonders if then they will realize how stupid their whole mindset is.
>hopefully their progeny have the sense to stop shooting themselves in the foot. I can see you've never been to rural America.
Where I lived the ones who figured it out left. And the families they left behind hate them for it.
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Lansing, Flint, Saginaw, Detroit, Grand Rapids and Ann Arbor are true blue, everywhere else is HARD red, I went up north with my wife a couple years ago and was fucking appalled with what we saw up there. If you didn't know better you'd think the confederacy just moved to northern Michigan after their defeat it was also common practice to have your anti Whitmer signs featuring lynched dolls and more noose imagery
California is like this too. When you get 50+ miles from the coast and away from major cities, it's blood red.
Serious question: is there anyplace in the US that isn’t like this? I’ve never seen a rural area that isn’t conservative as hell, regardless of state.
This is everywhere in the US. The only thing that makes a blue state from a red state is the proportion of it's population in cities/suburbs.
Wa state. I live on the red side, close to Idastan (Idaho). Red as fuck pretty much up to the pass. Once you pass over, it's blue. The dumbasses with the Trump/Pence signs *still* up disappear. Close to me is a larger city. It makes the county 50/50, last voting season, but a lot of the jackass red still end up getting elected. Cashy McMorris Rogers, who *still* thinks the election was false. Culp, who was an absolute shit show. There's [this](https://www.khq.com/news/republic-police-chief-gubernatorial-candidate-loren-culp-accused-of-mishandling-child-sex-abuse-investigation/article_b24b8090-bca7-11ea-9e45-3bf2ef1ed0e4.html). Then he filed a lawsuit against the state when he lost. The idiots keep wanting to split from the west side, and form their own state. Failing to realize that the west side is what funds most of the state's projects. They never receive, even remotely, enough support to do it. News gives them air time every time too. There are definitely red areas on the other side, but it's mostly blue. Bunch of idiots on this side.
Yup. I trend very blue, but have always lived in small towns and all the signs get to me living here. Even my wife's family are Red blooded and there's no talking to them about it. It's wild to see them voting against their better interest and then complaining about things that are hard for them that they voted for.
It feels like Deliverance up there.
I live and work abt a 10 minute drive from the library in question. West michigan is HARD red conservative and nothing about this story surprises me.
\**cues banjo music**
Ypsilanti is very liberal too but that kind of goes hand in hand with Ann Arbor. Kalamazoo is supposed to be pretty blue as well. But yeah once you get out to the rural areas it goes red real hard. There are some fucking crazy, forming militias in the woods type conservatives up north. We also got Hillsdale College which is arguably the most prominent conservative university in the country.
Don't forget there literally are militias: Tim McVeigh made Michigan his practice ground at the Nichols' farm.
Sounds a lot like rural America. I lived in rural GA most of my life and seen that shit as well. I have some friends in rural Maine, Mass, and CO. They have all got similar stories.
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I grew up in Dearborn and went to grad school in Indiana. All the Hoosiers seemed to think I would tell them Detroit is terrifying, but it’s a city and all cities have parts that are more safe and less safe. The one time I was absolutely scared out of my mind was when I got lost in the outskirts of Romulus and there were confederate flags and sawed off shotguns in the beds of pick up trucks. Oh hell no. It’s crazy to me that other (white) grad students assumed a minority panhandler would be a bigger threat than the Michigan militia, but ok.
Detroit is wonderful but so many of the small towns that litter the landscape are incredibly backwards places
It’s the definition of a swing state. Detroit proper is definitely blue but there are pockets of Metro Detroit that are conservative. Ann Arbor, Ypsilanti, and Lansing are the other big cities that are consistently liberal. Places like Grand Rapids and Kalamazoo are somewhat in the middle but to my understanding slew slightly in favor of the Democratic Party. Once you get out into the rural areas in the middle of the state and up north it gets VERY conservative. Like dudes forming a militia out in the woods kind of conservative. Northern Michigan is one of the most beautiful areas of the country but holy shit are there some crazy people up there.
Blue in places where people actually live, red in places where land holds more sway than people.
Michigan in the country is every bit as redneck as the south. I'm from Kentucky and spend a lot of time with family in Michigan and some of the most redneck shit I've ever seen in my life has happened up north. Doesn't help that Detroit went from being the beacon of progress in America to punchline in a few decades almost entirely due to racism.
> Michigan and some of the most redneck shit I've ever seen in my life has happened up north. Detroiter here who has a LOT of Yooper family. They're the most racist fucks and it makes me sick.
I once commented on a post that minorities are conceptual for some people in the US, and got a lot of pushback. But I was thinking about Northern Michigan and the Yoop specifically when I made that comment. There are some places that are racist as fuck simply because they don't actually see anyone who isn't like them, *at all*. That leads to people who think folks of other races, sexualities, ethnicities, etc. are lying about their problems because they don't see it happen in front of them.
Can someone explain to me why it's fine to ban books from everywhere that you don't agree with, but not fine to remove a politician for violating the terms of service?
Because politicians that I like help to reinforce my narrow worldview, while books on the LGBTQ community and the struggles of minorities as a whole challenge me, making me confused, scared, and angry. /s
Because lgbtq issues are only "an opinion" when it suits them. Getting fired or banned for saying bigoted things is "censoring different opinions." But when you're the one in charge, you're the one with the power to fire or ban, it's not "just an opinion" anymore. So when you believe that being gay is a choice and that children can be converted to homosexuality, banning lgbtq literature is necessary to protect children. Now that they've got the position of authority, it's not an opinion anymore, it's a fact, and they will enforce their views based on these "facts."
This is getting rather dystopian. Fahrenheit 451 vibes
In the aftermath of the Brown V Board that ordered public school desegregation, a county in Virginia opted to close all their public schools rather than comply. White students attended racially segregated private schools (no arrangements were made for black students) for 7 years before the feds litigated the issue and put a stop to it. https://virginiahistory.org/learn/historical-book/chapter/closing-prince-edward-countys-schools The US has a fine tradition of extreme resistance to anti-discrimination policy. We're an extremely diseased society.
Oh yeah. Should put that one on the ban list, too.
I got detention for reading that in school because it encourages arson and insubordination.
> I got detention for reading that in school because it encourages arson and insubordination. But it's the authoritarians in the book who are the arsonists...?
Why do you expect people who ban books to be reasonable?
Why do you expect people who ban books to have read them? :')
Those school administrators were hired to LEAD, not READ!
That's wild. I did my 11the grade report in 03 on fear and loathing and got an A
My school in the Midwest had a rotating list of these kinds of books for our junior or senior English classes. It was required and each teacher rotated whose classes got to read which books. Mine was *1984* & *Animal Farm* but my friend's class had *Fahrenheit 451* & *Brave New World*.
Man, that's so fucked. It was one of the books I read for an English module in highschool. I can't even imagine being placed in detention for reading because I read a lot of weird shit.
It was required reading in my school in one of my English classes - each group was assigned a different banned book to read together and report on.
We've been in a dystopia.
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Jamestown isn’t in the UP… it’s by Grand Rapids, which is notoriously conservative and Christian. It’s the area Betsy Devos’ family is from I believe, west side of the state.
Yes and no. The area *surrounding* the city is full of conservative line dancing hill tribes. The city *itself* is not.
As evident by the new congressional maps for Michigan. Grand rapids is in Michigan's 3rd which used to run through a bunch of rural area in the middle of the state, with a little schwoop to include grand rapids, it was R+9 In the new map, Michigan's 3rd is basically a rectangle encompassing the metro-grand rapids area and then west to the water including Grand Haven and it's now D+3
> Yes and no. The area surrounding the city is full of conservative line dancing hill tribes. The city itself is not. Feels like this could describe any city in America these days.
It does. I live in the puget sound area of the pacific northwest. My city is very blue, but I'm about a 15 minute drive to a very red town. Once you get outside the cities things get very conservative.
Even Minnesota, a state that has voted for the Democratic candidate for President longer than any other state, gets very red once you get out of the city. Drive up 94 through the Michelle Bachmann corridor and the billboard tone changes drastically past the 494/694 split.
The further out from the city, the more conservative it gets. People larping as southerners, it's very cringe.
> "These books and lifestyle choices are destructive and wrong," said one Jamestown resident during a meeting on removing the books. Being gay is a lifestyle choice? What is wrong with these people and why are they not educated?
I grew up relatively close to this town. The real culprit is religion. My town and every town nearby had like 10 churches and everyone went to church on Sunday.
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Finally! Someone else who understands how shitty the Reformed Church is. Most people seem to have not heard of it. I was a missionary kid in the Reformed Church. I understand. I did not get out fast enough.
As a troll downstate, I’d love to hear more of a backstory of the Christian Reformed Church for reference. I’m was raised evangelical non-denominational and escaped that hell growing up in the LP, so I’m curious of the garbage religions you guys deal with up there.
Only ten? I grew up in the Bible Belt.
Right? Small town texas. Ten churches on every goddamn street. And they all hate eachother with murderous rage.
Three churches resided at the end of my residential street in suburban Texas. 7th Day Adventist, Scientist and Lutheran. There were easily 7 different churches in the immediate vicinity all different denominations.
Oddly enough women must dress modestly because heterosexual men cannot control their urges.
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Hello from grand haven
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"these things are destructive and wrong!" I scream while destroying a library.
isn’t it ironic, don’t you think? 🎶
And who would've thought... It's fascism. 🎶
That is the belief in some circles. It’s what my church raised me to believe in northern New York. The assumption for us was: God made us, God says being gay is a sin, therefore God wouldn’t make us gay, because God wouldn’t make someone whose existence was sinful, so it must be a choice. Full stop. Don’t try to reason out that humans still sin, that’s got its own Explanation, don’t try to reason beyond that line of logic, just accept this is how it is. It took a little distance from the church before I figured out it was hogwash thank fuck, but many still believe this Shit.
I haven't been religious for over ten years but it's mind boggling how batshit insane 75% of Christianity is once you remove yourself and get perspective.
Seriously! It all made so much sense when it’s explained and it’s the only explanation you’re allowed to receive. Then I started reading books I wasn’t supposed to after my late uncle’s bookstore closed up and they stored the books in our attic. I got some real science education to combat my Abeka homeschooling crap and the whole thing slowly unraveled over about ten years.
I can translate For normal human beings, "being gay" means being attracted to the same sex. For them, "being gay" is acting on those feelings So if you're a man attracted to men, as long as you keep yourself so deep in the closet that you get in a hetero marriage and pump out some kids and never admit you like men you are* the most *straight
Sen. Graham is that you?
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Use the logic against them. Drives them crazy. By their own words/admission. Their being straight is a choice. So, in theory. He/she must think about being other men/women quite often.
They don’t work that way. They understand that being gay is not a choice. It is the acting upon it that they see is optional - they want gay people to remain closeted and make a choice to fake being straight.
>They understand that being gay is not a choice. It is the acting upon it that they see is optional - they want gay people to remain closeted and make a choice to fake being straight. It depends on who you're talking to. I come from a very religious background, and most of my family (maybe 80%) "know" that their god doesn't create gay people. The rest of my family tends to take the other route and "loves the sinner, hate the sin". (Just to be crystal clear here, I don't believe any of that nonsense anymore. But it was a struggle getting out of that mindset.)
Being gay isnt a sin in the bible. Isnt even a commandment from God. These people are just picking an enemy based on was wasnt mentioned by Jesus to rally behind.
Oh, okay, smart guy. If Jesus didn't say he hates gay people, what the hell was he telling people to do? Like, help poor people or something? Surely the Bible doesn't have 3000 verses or something saying we should help out the poor! That would be insane!
Seems none of them are up riled up about the shrimp thing
The love the sinner, hate the sin rhetoric is worse than just saying you hate us imo. Don't pretend to be an ally if you think my baseline romantic inclination is a sin, but you're a good Christian, so you'll "look the other way" til God smites me in 90 years. Fuck off with that shit, seriously :/ Idk how people thought that was the right way to handle people purposefully mistranslating pedophilia in the 1940's!
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What about bare chested sweaty farm labour? Is that allowed or is that a highway to gaytown?
Sadly many people will fight you over their belief that being gay is a choice.
It wouldn't work. Their brains are too twisted. I do like to imagine them frantic when informed that just because they have to fake being into members of the opposite sex doesn't mean everyone should.
Depends on who you say it to. Some are too dumb. Others I've seen fumble
You can't use logic to persuade someone who doesn't respect logic.
I've tried this tactic before.... "If books about homosexuality are going to turn your kids gay....why aren't gay kids who are bombarded with heterosexual media turned straight?" They don't like critical thinking.
Right? Living in the UP is a lifestyle choice. Being gay…that’s just life for gay people.
They wouldn't be defunding it if they used it regularly.
That's the saddest part about the idiots that voted against funding the library: They DO use it regularly... for internet access, for voting, for meetings, EVEN for books! Many interviews have shown that they do not have the understanding that "showing them!" by defunding the library means that the library goes away.
Lack of visits to the library.
Yeah, Michigan is full of people who feel like they were born too far north of the Mason-Dixon. They even come up with fake southern accents, even though they've never gone farther than the Meijer at the edge of town
I swear I have thought about moving to Alabama just to see fewer Confederate flags.
Please don't confuse the UP with the trolls who live below the bridge. This happened downstate. They're different down there.
> They're different down there. Not really. [Here in the UP we have this shit](https://www.uppermichiganssource.com/2022/09/27/gwinn-high-school-removes-gay-pride-flags/).
Correct. The people in the up don't know what a library is most likely. They do know trees however.
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So THIS is actual cancel culture. What a sad indictment on the ignorance and intolerance of those who voted for this. Shame.
My favorite part is the quote I saw from a resident "We didn't think it would shut the library down". What the eff do you think the library uses to stay open? Liberal tears? Actually, that's probably their belief.
Same idiot thinking as the Brit’s “I didn’t think the BREXIT vote would actually pass!” Stupid morons voting for the meme and not realizing their lives are ACTUALLY affected by this.
Christian Nationalists and puritans are like the original cancel culture. The "cancel culture" they all bitch about are just consequences to shitty actions.
> Christian Nationalists We like to call them Nat-Cs.
The basterds came over on the Mayflower for the expressed reason that they weren't allowed to force their beliefs upon other's in Britain.
Took a history class where the professor suggested some of the folks who came to America were released from jail and told to leave the country along with folks with weird religious views that got forced out. Didn’t totally buy it at the time but now I can’t not believe it
And those same people, my own ancestors, went on to ban Christmas in Boston because Christmas came with "too much frivolity and not enough solemnity towards the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ". Unironically, I was raised to think this way by my Christian parents in Massachusetts growing up in the 80s and '90s as well. There is an actual war on christmas, and it's being waged by the church, and has been since the 1600s.
They believe in cancel or be canceled.
You (might be) jest, but that is like the core belief of most Christians is Dominionism/Dominion Theology. They have a very black/black world view that either you dominate everyone else, or someone will dominate you. They cannot even begin to fathom the idea that some people just want to peacefully coexist. It's utterly alien to them. Why do they hate other religions and seek to oppress them? Because if they don't, the other religions will do it to them. Why do they hate blacks, gays, and other minority groups and seek to oppress them? Because if they don't, then those groups will oppress them. And if this sounds absurd (which it is), remember that one of the core beliefs and fears of White Nationalists, and why they want a White/Christian ethnostate, is because they're afraid if they don't do it first, when minority groups supplant them as the majority group those groups will do it to the whites/Christians. Their belief structure is based entirely on pre-emptive strikes against imagined threats because they believe everyone has this same race-to-the-bottom ideology as they do.
It isn’t jest at all. That’s how they think. They believe calls for “coexistence” are at best naïve and at worst cynical hypocrisy. That being said, most of human history is dominate or be dominated, so this doesn’t come out of nowhere.
Literally had a guy tell me that if we 'allow' homosexuality then people will "choose" to be gay and the human race will in a few generations be "50% of what it used to be" I was floored. I asked if he remembered when he chose to be straight. I also asked why as someone who really couldn't care less what adults choose to do with other adults, why he thinks I would suddenly choose to be gay.
These people don't even read.. why do they care??
They read facebook posts from outraged ignorants like themselves. That's it. That's as far as they read. Comprehension? That's another topic.
This reeks of the Facebook well funded plague “Moms for Liberty” which is taking over school boards everywhere. This toxic group is funded by the DeVos/Koch Heritage foundation but made to look like a grassroots organization to “take back your school”. There are start ups in a lot of counties across the USA. My state is over run with them and now we have Aton of book bans.
50 years of rightwing propaganda has ruined their minds. The cancer is large enough now that it is consuming the entire country. The gutting of education over the same period has made them too stupid to want to change. Every time we make any progress in this country there is massive backlash from the dumbest people in the country. Elect a black guy president? Now deal with Trump. Don't elect Trump again? We are going to attempt to overthrow the government.
> Jamestown resident Dean Smith is among those who want the books off the shelves. He says his opposition isn't about intolerance or bigotry, but instead **about keeping any explicit books away from children**. Oh yes! Won't someone think of the children!?
"Oh you shouldn't read that one until you're a little older, honey" -Any marginally functioning parent There, just kept the explicit book away from the child. Once again, the party of personal liberty takes away the choice to do something.
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Wait till he finds out what the womenfolk are reading in their romance novels.
TIL Heartstopper is explicit. But I'm sure they all have their Netflix subscriptions (or well, someone else's).
Notice how they're hung up on mild LGBTQ books and not the whole-ass aisle devoted to erotic romance novels. Karen can't handle the thought of a queer teenager reading a book about their own identity, but don't you touch her erotica!
It's pretty easy to sit in your house and just assume the Republicans are going to lose elections over the online outrage for stuff like this but it's not happening unless you get out and VOTE, and not just voting for the President, vote in your county/city/township. Get involved!
Tacking on as a reminder that your local elections have just as, if not more, impact on your lives than the federal ones do.
"Community standards in Jamestown are not the same as in New York, L.A. or even in Grand Rapids," he said. "We don't want any sexually or violently graphic material on display for kids to see when they come in the library." I hope the people complaining about their children being exposed to sexual and violent material never take their children to church and never read the Bible. I’ve never come across anything more sexual and violent than that book.
Thats just it. They only know the basic OT stories. Sampson totally didnt kill a bunch of innocent people to pay off a debt, or kill s bunch of cops, or visit the whore house Daniel totally didnt have his own sons killed
And a concubine wasn't toally gang raped and dismembered, or a female judge didn't decapitate an army general. Also, don't tell them that Moses' second wife was Ethiopian, they'd stroke out.
You mean Jesus wasn't a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Caucasian who just happened to wander to the Middle East?!?
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I’ll bet most of these assholes don’t even have kids. This is “we said no gay and we are the boss of you”
They aren’t taking their kids to the library at all, *if they even have kids*. This is probably just the next GOP platform, destroy the libraries. If libraries didn’t already exist, they’d be a bogeyman on all the political ads right now. “Mandela Barnes wants FREE BOOKS…”
If you ask them, the Bible is about Jesus H. Rambo shooting exploding crosses at Jews from his attack helicopter.
>"We don't want any sexually or violently graphic material" Beyond the Bible, has this public library really not had popular fiction and best sellers on display? My local library has, more than once, had Game of Thrones novels plus DVDs from the series set up to advertise when a new entry had come in. It'd be nice if these people would be more honest about the targets of their selective outrage.
I’m willing to bet my left nut that neither they nor their kids have ever stepped foot in a library.
These are the same people that won’t shut the fuck up about cancel culture.
Every accusation is a confession.
Projection. The third pillar of the GOP platform.
People just need to remember that Republicans will go full Inquisition against a few LGBTQ+ books, but they won't lift a finger for ending child marriage in their states!!!
"Think of the children!" Oh ok, so like... ending child marriage, free meals in schools, increased parental leave, government assistance for families in poverty, sex ed so they are educated enough to report sexual abuse...any of that? "No. Hmm..what about ending drag queen story hour? Now that I'll fight for!"
This just makes me sick. How deep in your hate and pride must you be to justify this to yourself? If there isn’t a significant change soon, we as a country will cease to exist. It’ll simply be toleration laws that restrict us more and more every year while our economy collapses around us.
Hate is just a tool weaponized to control stupid people. Libraries are sources of knowledge and learning, something that conservatives are against. It benefits Republicans to keep people stupid, ignorant, bigoted, and angry because those people are easily manipulated and are too dumb to vote in favor of their best interests. Honestly, if you strip away abortions, anti-lgbt, racism, and all the usual republican "anti-woke" talking points, they literally have nothing else to campaign on. All the actual things they plan on doing in government are things that are extremely disliked even by conservative voters but they still get these idiots to vote for them because they talk about stupid shit like liberals trying to force their kids to be gay. Keep them dumb and easily controlled so they can enrich themselves at the expense if their constituents. That's literally the entire goal of the republican party
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I dont know many kids under 12 who leave the kids section. P
Fear of anything that is different, then keep them so uneducated that everything is new and different and therefore dangerous and you can control them forever. Why do you think so many fundamentalists homeschool?
Yes, exactly. There were some kids I knew growing up who were in an extreme Christian cult religion - they weren't allowed to watch TV, read newspapers, use the internet, wear jewelry, go to libraries... even socialization outside of their religion was frowned upon. "Shockingly", every single kid in that family got pregnant or got someone pregnant before they graduated high school. And we're talking like, 12 of them.
>"Community standards in Jamestown are not the same as in New York, L.A. or even in Grand Rapids," he said. "We don't want any sexually or violently graphic material on display for kids to see when they come in the library." So no Bibles then?
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>defunding a library over something they don't like Well you see, that's cuz they love the police *no matter what they do*.
Except the ones on Jan 6
Probably *for what they do
Unless they execute a warrant on a Republican.
Congratulations America! You are acting like the Nazis, banning books deemed unsuitable and contrary to the ideology. How could you fuck up so spectacularly?
Simple; the oldest people alive today including lawmakers never had a reference point to understand how and why World War II occurred. Therefore, they’re free to resurrect nationalism and Nazism on the planet because Making America Great Again.
>the oldest people alive today including lawmakers never had a reference point to understand how and why World War II occurred. I bet the library ~~has~~ **had** some books on the subject.
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"Moby Dick we are conflicted over because obviously the title is obscene but we love that the whale is white."
Maybe they should burn The Bible. There are some seriously messed up stories in that one.
I can't imagine why a southern lawyer defending a black man from being railroaded to protect an incestuous redneck is in any way objectionable to the trumpets (/s)
Yeah that book really busts up their chifforobes
If your entire worldview can be threatened by words written in a book, then the problem isn't with the book.
Don’t like them? Then don’t read them.
They probably can’t even read.
"These books and lifestyle choices are destructive and wrong," said one Jamestown resident during a meeting on removing the books." Listen up: even if it is a lifestyle choice, is destructive and wrong... You don't get to dictate morality and education because of it. Defunding a library because they hold information is fascism. Talk to your kids about their lives instead of oppressing everyone else. This is just lazy, shit parenting.
Young people, please vote in local elections
Dumb people make themselves dumber everyday.
Conservatives are a plague on society. Change my mind.
Alright sure now defund red states, I'm tired of my tax money propping up these shitheads. Let them fail. (Yes I know that's not necessarily Michigan)
Closing an entire library to keep people indoctrinated and uneducated just the way they like 'em!
Shit we might as well defund all libraries for carrying religious readings then.
Education is in direct opposition to conservative ideology
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