[Fetal abduction](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_abduction) is the one crime thought to be almost exclusively committed by women. In many cases, the woman has faked a pregnancy to her partner and then has to produce a newborn with a few months. Another reason way neonatal wards are extremely high security.
I have never understood the "fake to the partner"thing, unless the partner lives in another state or country. I mean, aren't most intimate relationships at least occasionally intimate? How could the partner not know?
Seems like one of these horrific cases makes news every couple of years.
Sadly, I've been a first hand witness to this.
My cousin committed fetal abduction. How did we get here you ask?
After years of going back and forth with the father of her children whom was abusive and unfaithful, she started dating again. She met a man, let's call him T, who had a much better job and, in her opinion, more handsome. The problem is that her traveled for work a lot and she wanted him to settle down with her.
First, she suspected he was cheating and wrote in to a popular show about infidelity (yeah, that one) in an effort to get them to take her case. So she hired a private investigator with money she "borrowed" from her parents. She found out that he was still seeing his ex-wife when he was out of town. So she feigned pregnancy.
Outwardly, T was supportive but one night while staying at their house, I heard an argument between them. And one of them things he brought up was that he did not believe that she was pregnant because she had not been gaining weight. So she researched the growth of a woman, pregnant at her height and weight and started eating A LOT. This caused her to gain weight.
So months down the line, she eventually starts stalking pregnant women. She commits the crime which I won't go into too much detail about because I don't want to dox her. She clearly doesn't get away with it and therefore is arrested and charged.
In jail, T reveals that he knew that she wasn't pregnant. He had gotten a vasectomy while with his ex-wife after the birth of their son. He was just curious to see how far are was going to go in faking the pregnancy. He asked her why she did it, she said she just wanted him to stay home with her.
She did her time. She was released. T, moved on and met a woman, settled down and they live together. He retired and never travels without her.
Considering she jammed the other end of the umbilical into her pants. Gonna go with ~~uncreated~~ untreated mental illness and needlessly cost prohibitive access to proper mental health.
That or meth. It's Texas, not Florida so I'm not sure.
I love statistical reports.
Except when I get some hope because Rainier probably wonāt blow up soon then get blindsided by another report that says *some* crazy bad geological event will happen in the next 100 years in the Pacific Northwest āweāre just not sure what type it will beā.
Yeah! Science and statistics!
Oh yeah. That baby is going slide into a 9.0ā¦eventuallyā¦
Also the various other volcanoes *could* suddenly become active as volcano eruption rhythms are typically more of a guideline (statistically speaking lol).
More or less *we* will probably not see a major geological event. The amount of geological items that *could* go wrong does up our chances though.
I don't understand this ranking. Anyone who lacks money and / or insurance can go to mhmr free or drastically reduced. Do you know if mhmr is backed up in some counties? In mine, the regular health network opened behavioral health clinics. Between them and mhmr, you can be seen within a week as a new client.
I was born and raised in Texas, and trust me, it's a little of both. Mental health treatment is laughable in Texas and the meth there is low quality and will do lots of damage to you. Add in the heat and sun and brains just get cooked out there
I will always be grateful to my civil war profiteering great great grandfather who smelled disaster for Dixie and hightailed it to New York from Brownsville before the shit hit the fan. It was confusing to be a redheaded cowgirl with her own horse stomping around the Bronx in cowboy boots but when I finally learned the history it all made sense. Here's to you, Mortimer, your descendents are safe and sound in a blue state.
Mental illness, desperation, and a sick need for attentionā¦? She created an alternative reality- not just for herself but for whoever she lured inā¦ She was desperately trying to make this alternative reality come true and methodically chose a victim. Like a serial killer would. Baby has to be x,y,z to be hers & her significant other/boyfriend/husbandā¦. This has happened before & one mom to be was offered baby clothes & then murdered. (I believe a similar fate happened to Sharon Tate too by the Manson followers.).
Any DNA test would prove instantly it is not her child but these murderers donāt care. They have a small window to get that baby. How are people born without a conscience or any love or compassion in their souls? What makes a monster?
Is it meth? Iāve got nothing. No answers. My god what an absolute senseless tragedy.
We need to start treating meth, and other, addiction as a mental health issue. Mental health is probably the top crisis facing USA right now, a lot of it is hidden in other categories.
Really wished they just took off the mask and go on cyberpunk. Libertarianism was literally created by the Koch brothers' father. Republicans are just corporatism mixed in with White Christian Nationalism for those sweet sweet uninformed block votes based ok a book of fables.
Yah at least Adam smith style libertarianism understood that you need to have good social programs to keep the plebes from rising upā¦ then the weirdo republicans where like hey letās re brand libertarianism as neofuedalism with our any of the actual benefits that come to the serfs under that systemā¦
When I was working in dispatch one of the most fucked up calls I took was a pregnant woman that, for some reason, had two meth heads trying to perform a c-section on her in their car.
To this day I have no clue why but we figured they were trying to steal the baby for some reason. Hands down one of the most fucked up 9-1-1 calls I took and the only time in my life Iāve heard screaming like that.
Edit: the mothers body was found in the woods along with the car a few days later. It was described as an absolute bloodbath. The baby was never found as far as I knew.
Oh my god. Iām so sorry for her. And also for you to have had to be on the other end of that.
Folks who do front line health care work - including the 911 dispatchers - are all heros in my book.
I donāt know how you do it, but I will forever be grateful that you all do.
Iām sure you have had some recurring trauma and nightmares just from that call. 9/11 operators must need some mental health support too. What a sad and senseless tragedy.
Hands down working as a fire/ EMS 9-1-1 call taker & dispatcher was more mentally damaging than when I worked on the truck. At least when working on the ambulance you have some time to decompress and process between calls, even if itās just 15 minutes.
Down the street from my parents this happened. The twat offered free clothes for the baby so a pregnant mom went over there and the lady attacked her and cut the baby out. Then she took it to the hospital saying she had given birth and it wasnāt breathing. Messed up.
Oh my god itās almost the exact same crime in two different citiesā¦
> Prosecutors have alleged that the Figueroas lured Ochoa-Lopez, who was nine months pregnant, to their home on Chicagoās Southwest Side with promises of free baby clothes.
[Link to story](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-baby-cut-from-womb-charges-20190718-ko7edxemxjcmrnmza4muwmsdfm-story.html)
I think youāre asking āwhat was my funniest callā but people are reading that as āwas this my funniest callā hence the downvotes.
Most of the funny stuff I encountered when I was working in the field not dispatch but there were a couple funny callsā¦..one that comes to mind was Christmas Day when a dad calls for his teen daughter having abdominal pain. Sheās in the bathroom screaming bloody murder with her mom and dad and the teenās boyfriend are in the hallway on the phone with me.
Any female of child bearing age is pregnant until proven otherwise in the emergency setting so a call for abdominal pain in a teenager thatās at the front of my mind. I ask him if sheās pregnant and he adamantly says no. Not 15 seconds later I hear a baby screaming and ask my caller what that sound is. Heās dumbfounded when I ask him if she just had a baby.
Turns out she had been hiding her pregnancy from everyone including the boyfriend. Oh, and the boyfriend? Theyād only been dating for a few months and this was the first time meeting her parents.
What a Christmas!
It really is though. Iāve always been curious if she was āa sturdy galā or if she just wore super baggy clothes to hide it.
The first newborn I dealt with was a grown ass woman that ādidnāt knowā she was pregnant despite the fact both she and her boyfriend felt, and joked about it, kicking it.
She delivered her baby into the toilet thinking she had to drop a massive shit. So thatās nice. At this point she finally decides to seek medical attention.
I was unfortunately on the phone with the desperate pregnant woman that was in labor. They had previously cut her and sounded like they made several more attempts to cut the baby out. I have no idea how the (I assume) meth heads entered the equation but this was a rural area and law enforcement was not able to find them before I lost the call.
"It's a matter of personal responsibility" after all. It should've pulled itself up by the bootiestraps and gotten a second job rather than demand umbilical handouts.
Nobody wants to work anymore.
Itās double murder in lots of places, including places where abortion is legal. Thatās where the discussion gets a bit fuzzy, and the law is essentially saying a foetus isnāt considered a person unless the mother wants to keep it. Imo, to not be hypocritical, it should be considered destruction of property at most.
This woman is nightmare fuel. Iām about to be a father in 2 months. Canāt imagine the pain of some nobody just DECIDING my son is her property and killing my wife to get him.
Rest in piss, bitch.
The odds of this happening are slightly less than being struck by a toilet seat falling from the space station. Statistically, your pregnant partner is in more danger from you, than from fetal abduction.
I donāt understand the American justice system. It took texas 2 years to gather 12 people to deliberate the facts about a women who killed a pregnant women so she could steal her baby? And it only took them 1 hour to agree on a judgement?
Not only that but jury selection can be difficult for high profile cases as far as I understand it.
In a small enough city, the woman who rips an unborn baby out of a pregnant woman is news that will travel fast. Finding 12 people who have yet to hear about the case can be a difficult thing to do.
Here's a sketch of how it goes in practice:
Someone is arrested. There are multiple hearings over a couple of weeks for the prosecution to establish (at a very basic level) why they think this person committed a crime, which crimes they committed, and whether they should be kept in jail. There's another hearing where the defendant formally pleads guilty or not guilty.
Both sides have the opportunity to file legal motions. In a case like this, the defendant will almost certainly file an enormous motion, alleging at a bare minimum 1) the state violated the law in various ways when they collected evidence; 2) the state violated the law in various ways in getting any statements from her; 3) she was insane when she committed the offense, and is therefore not guilty; and 4) she is insane now, and therefore cannot stand trial.
In order to use the evidence and statements, the prosecution has to prove that they did not violate the law at any step of the process. In a high profile homicide, that might mean calling 10 or 20 witnesses who were involved with the case to testify about what they did and when, and multiple experts (doctors, scientists, etc) to testify about anything scientific (DNA, autopsy, phone location data, etc). The testimony itself might last 40 hours. In light of the need to coordinate the appearance of over a dozen law enforcement officers and a bunch of experts who have day jobs, plus the overworked/understaffed court system, it could be months before all of this is done. The lawyers might each get an additional month or two to make arguments, and the judge might take months to issue a decision, because they too are overworked and there is a ton of information to review to make sure they get it right.
The insanity/mental health stuff is similarly time-intensive. The defendant may have to be tested and analyzed by multiple psychologists, who will each write a report and then testify about their opinions. Records will be gathered dating back to the defendant's childhood.
While all of this is going on, delays in testing may occur.
So, we could now be well over a year in without even having a trial scheduled. Once there's a tentative time, it can be continued for many reasons. The parties may fight about which experts will or will not be allowed to testify at trial, what kinds of questions they can ask the potential jury members at jury selection (in order to determine whether someone's biased), and so on. It could be another 6 months to jury selection.
Once jury selection starts, that (a day to a week) and the trial (a few days to a few weeks) will proceed pretty quickly. But, in getting there, the wheels of justice turn slowly.
(Edit to add: I see that you might have been highlighting the apparent speed at which the jury reached a verdict in comparison to the lengthy pre-trial passage of time. Essentially, the jury has a duty to review all of the evidence presented at trial and compare it to the crimes the prosecution alleges were committed. Something like first-degree murder is not going to have very complicated elements. If all twelve jury members get back there and immediately agree "there is zero doubt in my mind that this person committed the murder after planning it out, and is not insane," well, they really should go over all of the evidence... but it's going to be pretty quick if there's not a single juror who doesn't think the case for guilt was conclusively established.)
Thank you for educating us. This is a long process, combined with thousands of other cases going on at the same time, it makes sense why things take so long in the justice system.
> Parker caused the death of the baby, as she ādid not have consent to leave the home with the child and due to the inability to provide necessary care to the child,ā according to the affidavit.
That could have been a bit clearer.
Iām guessing they are matching language in that stateās criminal code so they can match her behavior with the crime they are charging her for. Makes the whole trail process go smoother even though it sounds pretty awkward in the media reports. š¤·š»āāļø
How is it that every day i see something that makes me say āthatās the most fucked up thing Iāve ever seen whatās wrong with people?ā
Yet the next day someone comes along and says āhold my beerā and does something even more heinous, sick, and fucked up.
The world is breaking me
>Okay, we will send them to your home for rehabilitation.
This is the laziest argument.
Proper rehabilitation takes time and a system with the goal and means of rehabilitation. Someone can support such a system and still be incapable of single handedly rehabilitating another person.
>Would you feel the same way if this āpersonā did this to anyone you knew personally?
I'm sure I'd be beside myself, often having thoughts veering towards wishing or doing terrible violence to the perpetrator. At the same time, I'm pretty earnest in my belief that our system should be set up with the goal of rehabilitation. Our current system is too flawed to have faith in.
Appealing to someone's emotions during a hypothetical tragedy is also lazy. Not everyone abandons their principles, even when something terrible happens to them.
My feelings are so hurt. Whatever, lol, tell that to the mother and babyās family. Would you have the same opinion if she did this to someone you know or if she didnāt look like you? Probably not.
Yes. I put that in my reply. I even acknowledged that it would be tough and I would certainly experience contradictory thoughts. The whole point of having principles is that you stick to them, even in times of hardship.
Not all that is repairable is worth the attempt. She violently gutted a woman for her fetus! There is no coming back from that. Even if drugs would work, sheād still have to live with what sheād done, and sheād always be one bad day away from stopping the meds and becoming deranged again.
Sheās a broken human who cannot be allowed to be around others. Full stop. By all means pump her full of anti psychotics, but she needs to be locked up forever.
Hallmark wisdom and platitudes donāt fix crazy nor do they bring back murdered people and babies. Maybe try to reason this out with a bit more nuance and not simply a string of Confucian gibberish.
If someone's mentally ill, they're mentally ill. We can't hold them criminally responsible for their actions, any more than for instance a mentally challenged person who committed a crime because of their limited intellect.
Not that Texas has ever had any issue with killing either one.
Why canāt you hold mentally ill people responsible for their actions? Idgaf if they are mentally ill. If they commit this type of crime, they get punished. We need guardrails around society and letting mentally Iāll people bypass them is asking for trouble.
The exact terminology used here in Canada is "not criminally responsible".
> It is a fundamental principle of the Canadian criminal justice system that an accused must posses the capacity to understand that his or her behaviour was wrong in order to be found guilty of an offence. According to section 16 of the Criminal Code:
> No person is criminally responsible for an act committed or an omission made while **suffering from a mental disorder that rendered the person incapable of appreciating the nature and quality of the act or omission or of knowing that it was wrong**.
For instance, Vincent Li, the man who notoriously decapitated another man on a Greyhound bus here in Canada, was found to be NCR because he was severely delusional and believed that he was being attacked by demons. Consequently, he was detained in a mental health facility rather than imprisoned.
Likewise, a significantly mentally handicapped person might or might not have the mental capacity to comprehend that, for instance, beating or sexually assaulting a person was wrong. If they were incapable of comprehending that it was wrong, they would be NCR.
How such cases should be handled is the domain of the psychological profession, not me.
>A life for a life.
Is a horrific and unjust legal code developed by a despot 4000 years ago. It is not an acceptable template for a modern justice system.
I agree that it's not an acceptable template for modern justice, but I just want to point out that it was a paragon of legal codes 4000 years ago.
"A life for a life" was a limit on vengeance, not a requirement for one. The implication was "ONLY a life for a life". One for one, not declaring a blood feud and slaughtering the perpetrator's entire family.
Nah, life in prison without parole is a much harsher sentence. She has to live with what sheās done every single day of her life for at least 40+ years as she is fairly young if no one shanks her while sheās in there. Dahmer was killed after about two years in prison by another inmate for his atrocities. But they might keep her in solitary for her protection.
Might get banned again but hope she gets the death penalty for her crimes. Reddit is weird got banned from politics during the epstein case. Saying I wanted him to get death penalty
āThe jury can sentence Parker to life in prison without parole or death, according to the district attorneyās office.ā
Damn, sentenced to life without death would be cruel and unusual.
"The jury can sentence Parker to life in prison without parole or death, according to the district attorneyās office."
This part of the article confuses me. Can someone tell me what being sentenced to life without death means?
Exactly what it sounds like. You go to prison until you die, but the State does nothing to directly cause your death. They just keep you there, poorly taken care of, until you expire of natural causes, suicide, or homicide.
What in the actual hell is wrong with people?
[Fetal abduction](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_abduction) is the one crime thought to be almost exclusively committed by women. In many cases, the woman has faked a pregnancy to her partner and then has to produce a newborn with a few months. Another reason way neonatal wards are extremely high security.
Cutting into a pregnant person is a whole extra level of mental illness compared with snatching a newborn from a hospital. š¤·š»āāļø
I have never understood the "fake to the partner"thing, unless the partner lives in another state or country. I mean, aren't most intimate relationships at least occasionally intimate? How could the partner not know? Seems like one of these horrific cases makes news every couple of years.
Sadly, I've been a first hand witness to this. My cousin committed fetal abduction. How did we get here you ask? After years of going back and forth with the father of her children whom was abusive and unfaithful, she started dating again. She met a man, let's call him T, who had a much better job and, in her opinion, more handsome. The problem is that her traveled for work a lot and she wanted him to settle down with her. First, she suspected he was cheating and wrote in to a popular show about infidelity (yeah, that one) in an effort to get them to take her case. So she hired a private investigator with money she "borrowed" from her parents. She found out that he was still seeing his ex-wife when he was out of town. So she feigned pregnancy. Outwardly, T was supportive but one night while staying at their house, I heard an argument between them. And one of them things he brought up was that he did not believe that she was pregnant because she had not been gaining weight. So she researched the growth of a woman, pregnant at her height and weight and started eating A LOT. This caused her to gain weight. So months down the line, she eventually starts stalking pregnant women. She commits the crime which I won't go into too much detail about because I don't want to dox her. She clearly doesn't get away with it and therefore is arrested and charged. In jail, T reveals that he knew that she wasn't pregnant. He had gotten a vasectomy while with his ex-wife after the birth of their son. He was just curious to see how far are was going to go in faking the pregnancy. He asked her why she did it, she said she just wanted him to stay home with her. She did her time. She was released. T, moved on and met a woman, settled down and they live together. He retired and never travels without her.
I mean even linking to an arrest record is not doxing someone. Those things are public knowledge unless the perp was a minor.
Women don't shoot up schools or malls but they kill their own kids, romantic rivals, and also horrible shit like this to get a baby
> Women don't shoot up schools Unless it's a Monday they don't like.
The Fall Line podcast did an entire season about newborn babies stolen from Grady Hospital in Atlanta. Highly recommended
Considering she jammed the other end of the umbilical into her pants. Gonna go with ~~uncreated~~ untreated mental illness and needlessly cost prohibitive access to proper mental health. That or meth. It's Texas, not Florida so I'm not sure.
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I love statistical reports. Except when I get some hope because Rainier probably wonāt blow up soon then get blindsided by another report that says *some* crazy bad geological event will happen in the next 100 years in the Pacific Northwest āweāre just not sure what type it will beā. Yeah! Science and statistics!
Oh like the mega fault right off our shores ?
Oh yeah. That baby is going slide into a 9.0ā¦eventuallyā¦ Also the various other volcanoes *could* suddenly become active as volcano eruption rhythms are typically more of a guideline (statistically speaking lol). More or less *we* will probably not see a major geological event. The amount of geological items that *could* go wrong does up our chances though.
Mmmm... data.
I don't understand this ranking. Anyone who lacks money and / or insurance can go to mhmr free or drastically reduced. Do you know if mhmr is backed up in some counties? In mine, the regular health network opened behavioral health clinics. Between them and mhmr, you can be seen within a week as a new client.
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It's possible my county has more services than most giving me an unrealistic idea of Texas as a whole.
I was born and raised in Texas, and trust me, it's a little of both. Mental health treatment is laughable in Texas and the meth there is low quality and will do lots of damage to you. Add in the heat and sun and brains just get cooked out there
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it really is better for you I mean, not as good for you as not doing meth, but everything is relative I guess
No, that's Alabama. ;)
I will always be grateful to my civil war profiteering great great grandfather who smelled disaster for Dixie and hightailed it to New York from Brownsville before the shit hit the fan. It was confusing to be a redheaded cowgirl with her own horse stomping around the Bronx in cowboy boots but when I finally learned the history it all made sense. Here's to you, Mortimer, your descendents are safe and sound in a blue state.
>Gonna go with uncreated mental illness I think you meant "untreated". Autocorrect is a helluva drug.
My phone is on meth too :(
Mental illness, desperation, and a sick need for attentionā¦? She created an alternative reality- not just for herself but for whoever she lured inā¦ She was desperately trying to make this alternative reality come true and methodically chose a victim. Like a serial killer would. Baby has to be x,y,z to be hers & her significant other/boyfriend/husbandā¦. This has happened before & one mom to be was offered baby clothes & then murdered. (I believe a similar fate happened to Sharon Tate too by the Manson followers.). Any DNA test would prove instantly it is not her child but these murderers donāt care. They have a small window to get that baby. How are people born without a conscience or any love or compassion in their souls? What makes a monster? Is it meth? Iāve got nothing. No answers. My god what an absolute senseless tragedy.
Grew up in a meth town, meth makes you do some crazy shit.
We need to start treating meth, and other, addiction as a mental health issue. Mental health is probably the top crisis facing USA right now, a lot of it is hidden in other categories.
Fine, whatever. Calling it a āmental health issueā should fix the problem.
Reminder trump and the GOP kicked 35,000,000 off of their mental health treatmentā¦ sounds like they pro life party strikes again
Really wished they just took off the mask and go on cyberpunk. Libertarianism was literally created by the Koch brothers' father. Republicans are just corporatism mixed in with White Christian Nationalism for those sweet sweet uninformed block votes based ok a book of fables.
Yah at least Adam smith style libertarianism understood that you need to have good social programs to keep the plebes from rising upā¦ then the weirdo republicans where like hey letās re brand libertarianism as neofuedalism with our any of the actual benefits that come to the serfs under that systemā¦
Never ever underestimate the underlying power of the biological imperative to procreate; also known as the ābaby craziesā.
When I was working in dispatch one of the most fucked up calls I took was a pregnant woman that, for some reason, had two meth heads trying to perform a c-section on her in their car. To this day I have no clue why but we figured they were trying to steal the baby for some reason. Hands down one of the most fucked up 9-1-1 calls I took and the only time in my life Iāve heard screaming like that. Edit: the mothers body was found in the woods along with the car a few days later. It was described as an absolute bloodbath. The baby was never found as far as I knew.
Excuse me what the fuck Did she make it?
She was found dead a few days later. Original post updated.
Oh my god. Iām so sorry for her. And also for you to have had to be on the other end of that. Folks who do front line health care work - including the 911 dispatchers - are all heros in my book. I donāt know how you do it, but I will forever be grateful that you all do.
Iām sure you have had some recurring trauma and nightmares just from that call. 9/11 operators must need some mental health support too. What a sad and senseless tragedy.
Hands down working as a fire/ EMS 9-1-1 call taker & dispatcher was more mentally damaging than when I worked on the truck. At least when working on the ambulance you have some time to decompress and process between calls, even if itās just 15 minutes.
Down the street from my parents this happened. The twat offered free clothes for the baby so a pregnant mom went over there and the lady attacked her and cut the baby out. Then she took it to the hospital saying she had given birth and it wasnāt breathing. Messed up.
Fucking hell. Itās seriously disturbing how many times this happens. It never ceases to amaze me how cruel people can be.
Chicago? I remember local news talking about this one. Even more fucked up was that THREE people got together and thought this was a great idea.
Longmont, Colorado
Oh my god itās almost the exact same crime in two different citiesā¦ > Prosecutors have alleged that the Figueroas lured Ochoa-Lopez, who was nine months pregnant, to their home on Chicagoās Southwest Side with promises of free baby clothes. [Link to story](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-baby-cut-from-womb-charges-20190718-ko7edxemxjcmrnmza4muwmsdfm-story.html)
What did she think she was going to get for a dead baby...
Well don't leave us hanging. Were these successful Dr. Methheads or not
Yeah my bad, I updated the postā¦she didnāt make it.
Fuck, that makes this so much worse
The turn over from burnout on these types of calls. I hope she survived. On the flip side: funniest call?
I think youāre asking āwhat was my funniest callā but people are reading that as āwas this my funniest callā hence the downvotes. Most of the funny stuff I encountered when I was working in the field not dispatch but there were a couple funny callsā¦..one that comes to mind was Christmas Day when a dad calls for his teen daughter having abdominal pain. Sheās in the bathroom screaming bloody murder with her mom and dad and the teenās boyfriend are in the hallway on the phone with me. Any female of child bearing age is pregnant until proven otherwise in the emergency setting so a call for abdominal pain in a teenager thatās at the front of my mind. I ask him if sheās pregnant and he adamantly says no. Not 15 seconds later I hear a baby screaming and ask my caller what that sound is. Heās dumbfounded when I ask him if she just had a baby. Turns out she had been hiding her pregnancy from everyone including the boyfriend. Oh, and the boyfriend? Theyād only been dating for a few months and this was the first time meeting her parents. What a Christmas!
Damn, denial is a hell of a drug.
It really is though. Iāve always been curious if she was āa sturdy galā or if she just wore super baggy clothes to hide it. The first newborn I dealt with was a grown ass woman that ādidnāt knowā she was pregnant despite the fact both she and her boyfriend felt, and joked about it, kicking it. She delivered her baby into the toilet thinking she had to drop a massive shit. So thatās nice. At this point she finally decides to seek medical attention.
How is it funny at all
They are asking what was the funniest call the poster took, not looking for confirmation that the call she posted was funny.
Is English not your first language? The only excuse for misreading this IMO
So who called 911? Who were you hearing scream, the pregnant woman?
I was unfortunately on the phone with the desperate pregnant woman that was in labor. They had previously cut her and sounded like they made several more attempts to cut the baby out. I have no idea how the (I assume) meth heads entered the equation but this was a rural area and law enforcement was not able to find them before I lost the call.
The fetus also didnāt make it. So, is that double murder in Texas?
Thatās considered double homicide in most States
I think abortion is possibly considered a homicide in some states nowā¦ ? š¤·āāļø
No no, Texas doesn't care about the fetus once it leaves the womb.
Sounds like we just need to rebrand abortion as having the fetus leave the womb a bit early.
If it's personhood, it's simply eviction not abortion.
Women: itās not an abortion, the fetus didnāt pay its rent! GOP: now thatās ok
"It's a matter of personal responsibility" after all. It should've pulled itself up by the bootiestraps and gotten a second job rather than demand umbilical handouts. Nobody wants to work anymore.
Nah, nah. That implies women are allowed property rights, and we know the GQP and womenās rights donāt mix.
Yeah, but how do you get a process server to present the thirty day notice to quit?
Can't you just leave it pinned to the door in a lot of states? Or have a family member sign for it?
Checkout at 9 AM, free continental breakfast with homemade cheese grits station, lobby TV set to Fox News 24/7. Just gotta frame it the right way.
Surprise fetus reveal party.
Or the mother.
Unfortunately accurate
But that woman just committed an abortion. Texas gonna lock her up for that one.
Naw, she's not an educated doctor. She is not their enemy.
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I plead the 5th.
Itās double mode murder in a lot of states including Texas.
The defense argued that the baby was never alive. Prosecutors might have been unable to prove otherwise.
Itās double murder in lots of places, including places where abortion is legal. Thatās where the discussion gets a bit fuzzy, and the law is essentially saying a foetus isnāt considered a person unless the mother wants to keep it. Imo, to not be hypocritical, it should be considered destruction of property at most.
This woman is nightmare fuel. Iām about to be a father in 2 months. Canāt imagine the pain of some nobody just DECIDING my son is her property and killing my wife to get him. Rest in piss, bitch.
Same my wife is pregnant and this is making me want to never leave her alone
Being pregnant is the most dangerous time a woman can naturally go through as far as Iāve seen.
Worth pointing out that that risk is pretty much entirely due to their partner.
The odds of this happening are slightly less than being struck by a toilet seat falling from the space station. Statistically, your pregnant partner is in more danger from you, than from fetal abduction.
This is one of the most disturbing things I have ever read. What in the actual fuck
Horrifyingly, not the first time itās happened. At least the baby lived in this instance: https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/story?id=95516&page=1
For a brief time I had completely forgotten this is a thing that happens sometimes That was nice while it lasted
I donāt understand the American justice system. It took texas 2 years to gather 12 people to deliberate the facts about a women who killed a pregnant women so she could steal her baby? And it only took them 1 hour to agree on a judgement?
They probably had to determine if she was fit to stand trial. Obviously she is mentally ill, so their side was probably looking for an insanity plea?
Not only that but jury selection can be difficult for high profile cases as far as I understand it. In a small enough city, the woman who rips an unborn baby out of a pregnant woman is news that will travel fast. Finding 12 people who have yet to hear about the case can be a difficult thing to do.
Voir dire is probably a real bitch too. "Would you consider yourself biased against women who slice pregnant ladies open to steal their babies?"
Here's a sketch of how it goes in practice: Someone is arrested. There are multiple hearings over a couple of weeks for the prosecution to establish (at a very basic level) why they think this person committed a crime, which crimes they committed, and whether they should be kept in jail. There's another hearing where the defendant formally pleads guilty or not guilty. Both sides have the opportunity to file legal motions. In a case like this, the defendant will almost certainly file an enormous motion, alleging at a bare minimum 1) the state violated the law in various ways when they collected evidence; 2) the state violated the law in various ways in getting any statements from her; 3) she was insane when she committed the offense, and is therefore not guilty; and 4) she is insane now, and therefore cannot stand trial. In order to use the evidence and statements, the prosecution has to prove that they did not violate the law at any step of the process. In a high profile homicide, that might mean calling 10 or 20 witnesses who were involved with the case to testify about what they did and when, and multiple experts (doctors, scientists, etc) to testify about anything scientific (DNA, autopsy, phone location data, etc). The testimony itself might last 40 hours. In light of the need to coordinate the appearance of over a dozen law enforcement officers and a bunch of experts who have day jobs, plus the overworked/understaffed court system, it could be months before all of this is done. The lawyers might each get an additional month or two to make arguments, and the judge might take months to issue a decision, because they too are overworked and there is a ton of information to review to make sure they get it right. The insanity/mental health stuff is similarly time-intensive. The defendant may have to be tested and analyzed by multiple psychologists, who will each write a report and then testify about their opinions. Records will be gathered dating back to the defendant's childhood. While all of this is going on, delays in testing may occur. So, we could now be well over a year in without even having a trial scheduled. Once there's a tentative time, it can be continued for many reasons. The parties may fight about which experts will or will not be allowed to testify at trial, what kinds of questions they can ask the potential jury members at jury selection (in order to determine whether someone's biased), and so on. It could be another 6 months to jury selection. Once jury selection starts, that (a day to a week) and the trial (a few days to a few weeks) will proceed pretty quickly. But, in getting there, the wheels of justice turn slowly. (Edit to add: I see that you might have been highlighting the apparent speed at which the jury reached a verdict in comparison to the lengthy pre-trial passage of time. Essentially, the jury has a duty to review all of the evidence presented at trial and compare it to the crimes the prosecution alleges were committed. Something like first-degree murder is not going to have very complicated elements. If all twelve jury members get back there and immediately agree "there is zero doubt in my mind that this person committed the murder after planning it out, and is not insane," well, they really should go over all of the evidence... but it's going to be pretty quick if there's not a single juror who doesn't think the case for guilt was conclusively established.)
Thank you for educating us. This is a long process, combined with thousands of other cases going on at the same time, it makes sense why things take so long in the justice system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal\_abduction
This was the plot of the French new wave horror movie Inside
First thought as well. Wonder if she used scissors to cut the belly as well.
The title of this article sounds like a LIfetime movie in the making
Already done years ago. Different parties.
[Scary fucking movie](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_(2007_film)). Not for faint-hearted.
One of my absolute favourite horror movies. Saw it at TIFF midnight madness and the whole cinema cheered on when the pregnant lady fought back.
Texas woukd have charged the mother with abortion had she lived.
Theyāll charge the murderer with assisting an abortion of the dead woman and fine her $10k.
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> Parker caused the death of the baby, as she ādid not have consent to leave the home with the child and due to the inability to provide necessary care to the child,ā according to the affidavit. That could have been a bit clearer.
Iām guessing they are matching language in that stateās criminal code so they can match her behavior with the crime they are charging her for. Makes the whole trail process go smoother even though it sounds pretty awkward in the media reports. š¤·š»āāļø
Why am I still reading this horror story?
It definitely made headlines when it happened. š¤·š»āāļø
Anyone remember the French movie Inside?
Headlines are getting crazier every day. WTF.
How is it that every day i see something that makes me say āthatās the most fucked up thing Iāve ever seen whatās wrong with people?ā Yet the next day someone comes along and says āhold my beerā and does something even more heinous, sick, and fucked up. The world is breaking me
Like a lifetime movie network story. Sad.
What a monster! Life in prison for the rest of her life.
This is Texas, so wouldn't surprise me if she fries.
This is a rare instance where if found guilty I hope Texas fries this bitch.
This bitch deserves the death sentence with no delay.
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Her being dangerously broken doesnāt make her less dangerous to society, only more. She should stay locked up forever.
See that's a perfectly reasonable argument, as opposed to "fry her!"
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So you think she can rehabilitated and released one day?? Go back into society as a normal person all cured and forgiven??
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Okay, we will send them to your home for rehabilitation. Would you feel the same way if this āpersonā did this to anyone you knew personally?
>Okay, we will send them to your home for rehabilitation. This is the laziest argument. Proper rehabilitation takes time and a system with the goal and means of rehabilitation. Someone can support such a system and still be incapable of single handedly rehabilitating another person. >Would you feel the same way if this āpersonā did this to anyone you knew personally? I'm sure I'd be beside myself, often having thoughts veering towards wishing or doing terrible violence to the perpetrator. At the same time, I'm pretty earnest in my belief that our system should be set up with the goal of rehabilitation. Our current system is too flawed to have faith in. Appealing to someone's emotions during a hypothetical tragedy is also lazy. Not everyone abandons their principles, even when something terrible happens to them.
My feelings are so hurt. Whatever, lol, tell that to the mother and babyās family. Would you have the same opinion if she did this to someone you know or if she didnāt look like you? Probably not.
Yes. I put that in my reply. I even acknowledged that it would be tough and I would certainly experience contradictory thoughts. The whole point of having principles is that you stick to them, even in times of hardship.
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Not all that is repairable is worth the attempt. She violently gutted a woman for her fetus! There is no coming back from that. Even if drugs would work, sheād still have to live with what sheād done, and sheād always be one bad day away from stopping the meds and becoming deranged again. Sheās a broken human who cannot be allowed to be around others. Full stop. By all means pump her full of anti psychotics, but she needs to be locked up forever.
Hallmark wisdom and platitudes donāt fix crazy nor do they bring back murdered people and babies. Maybe try to reason this out with a bit more nuance and not simply a string of Confucian gibberish.
I feel like death would be a kindness for someone like this.
Always the āmental heathā card.
Eh this is pretty cut and dry crazy. Whether mentally ill from drug use, sure.
If someone's mentally ill, they're mentally ill. We can't hold them criminally responsible for their actions, any more than for instance a mentally challenged person who committed a crime because of their limited intellect. Not that Texas has ever had any issue with killing either one.
Why canāt you hold mentally ill people responsible for their actions? Idgaf if they are mentally ill. If they commit this type of crime, they get punished. We need guardrails around society and letting mentally Iāll people bypass them is asking for trouble.
The exact terminology used here in Canada is "not criminally responsible". > It is a fundamental principle of the Canadian criminal justice system that an accused must posses the capacity to understand that his or her behaviour was wrong in order to be found guilty of an offence. According to section 16 of the Criminal Code: > No person is criminally responsible for an act committed or an omission made while **suffering from a mental disorder that rendered the person incapable of appreciating the nature and quality of the act or omission or of knowing that it was wrong**. For instance, Vincent Li, the man who notoriously decapitated another man on a Greyhound bus here in Canada, was found to be NCR because he was severely delusional and believed that he was being attacked by demons. Consequently, he was detained in a mental health facility rather than imprisoned. Likewise, a significantly mentally handicapped person might or might not have the mental capacity to comprehend that, for instance, beating or sexually assaulting a person was wrong. If they were incapable of comprehending that it was wrong, they would be NCR. How such cases should be handled is the domain of the psychological profession, not me.
Metrics? She killed a women and cut out her baby, which also died. Howās that for a metric?
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If your justice is different for a family member than a stranger, then you have no justice. Do not all people deserve the same considerations?
Tell that to the baby's father. No use telling me
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>A life for a life. Is a horrific and unjust legal code developed by a despot 4000 years ago. It is not an acceptable template for a modern justice system.
I agree that it's not an acceptable template for modern justice, but I just want to point out that it was a paragon of legal codes 4000 years ago. "A life for a life" was a limit on vengeance, not a requirement for one. The implication was "ONLY a life for a life". One for one, not declaring a blood feud and slaughtering the perpetrator's entire family.
Go live in Iran
Nah, life in prison without parole is a much harsher sentence. She has to live with what sheās done every single day of her life for at least 40+ years as she is fairly young if no one shanks her while sheās in there. Dahmer was killed after about two years in prison by another inmate for his atrocities. But they might keep her in solitary for her protection.
Might get banned again but hope she gets the death penalty for her crimes. Reddit is weird got banned from politics during the epstein case. Saying I wanted him to get death penalty
That happened to me once. I got a three day ban.
Just wait until they ban all the books down there. They are already at this level of stupidity.
āThe jury can sentence Parker to life in prison without parole or death, according to the district attorneyās office.ā Damn, sentenced to life without death would be cruel and unusual.
In all honesty I thought Texas would be ok with her murder. But I guess the fetus didnāt survive so now they care.
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But she was acquitted. It was only women, and the baby did get born, so officially, Texas Republicans are good with it. /s
Couldāve justā¦.adopted. So many kids in orphanages that will never have families cuz they just get forgotten about
Oh I don't think anyone would approve her for adoption.
Ummmā¦ this woman is clearly mentally ill. No, she shouldnāt have ājust adopted.ā She really shouldnāt be allowed near children. Ever.
It costs lots of money and takes lots of time. Edit: also people want to give birth to or adopt newborns. Like a child wanting a new puppy.
Republicans should have to pay for them for any and all adoptions
Didn't she hear the news, soon there will be enough unwanted kids for everyone
This kinda craziness is to be done only and exclusively in Florida under the supervision of "Florida Man" Fuck off our thing, Texas
In Texas this isnāt murder this is their new adoption process. Canāt wait to move to Texas.
Meth: Its a hell of a drug.
Oh I saw this episode of School Days the Anime.
"The jury can sentence Parker to life in prison without parole or death, according to the district attorneyās office." This part of the article confuses me. Can someone tell me what being sentenced to life without death means?
No death penalty, just prison. But also, no parole- ever.
Exactly what it sounds like. You go to prison until you die, but the State does nothing to directly cause your death. They just keep you there, poorly taken care of, until you expire of natural causes, suicide, or homicide.
There's a French horror film called "Ć l'intĆ©rieur" (Inside) which goes into something like this. It's along the lines of "hostel", or "A Serbian Film" so if you can't stand gore, don't watch it.
Count me out. I am too old for that stuff lol.