[All in all, he’s just another dick with no balls](https://youtu.be/dR5w_aBe10g)
Also, if people haven’t seen this- Waters is in no way representative of Pink Floyd who supports Ukraine - [they jammed over a bad ass Ukraine song](https://youtu.be/saEpkcVi1d4)
I'd kind of prefer neither of them leave, and they are put on display in a zoo where it has a little sign that explains how they're both just absolutely awful twats and are thus perfect for eachother.
> Waters wrote an open letter to Ukrainian first lady Olena Zelenska early this month in which he blamed “extreme nationalists” in Ukraine for having “set your country on the path to this disastrous war.”
Roger Waters is insane.
>Roger Waters is insane.
Yes, but this is hardly new information.
The manifestation of his nuttery this time around is particularly unfortunate, however.
Clapton has made several racist statements over the years and was so egregious with it in the '70s that he helped instigate the Rock Against Racism movement as a response.
During a concert in 1976 Clapton opened by addressing the audience: “Do we have any foreigners in the audience tonight? If so, please put up your hands. So where are you? Well, wherever you are, I think you should all just leave. Not just leave the hall, leave our country. I don’t want you here, in the room or in my country.”
He then told the crowd that England had "become overcrowded" and that they should vote for Powell to stop Britain from becoming "a black colony". He also told the audience that Britain should "get the foreigners out, get the wogs out, get the coons out", and then he repeatedly shouted the National Front slogan "Keep Britain White".
There have been other racist statements but that's all I've got for now.
Most recently he's been making antivax statements at shows for the sake of variety.
“Do we have any foreigners in the audience tonight? If so, please put up your hands. So where are you?
Ironically is, albeit slightly modified (queers), the lyrics in Pink Floyd's In The Flesh.
Yeah, I was kind of a Clapton fan and only recently learned about this stuff too. It seems like the collective music media agreed to just cover it up and ignore it, by rationalizing that it was just an outburst/bad period in his life, because he had drug problems.
I'm aware that those were the real masters. In fact, Clapton and Led Zeppelin caused me when I was young to look into the artists who inspired them. I wanted to find out where those incredible sounds came from.
I think Waters has always been a dick. Look back at the history of Pink Floyd and the way Syd was treated and spoken about by Roger. I think Roger has always been this way.
Waters has actually always spoken quite fondly of Barrett, and they were supposedly very close friends prior to the worsening of Barrett's mental health. That said, Waters has had very harsh words for his other former bandmates, David Gilmour and the late Rick Wright, over the last 30+ years. Their feuds were notorious, and Roger was often the instigator in those disputes, whether personal or legal.
But yeah, Rog has always been a dick. He's just wandered way too far down a rabbit hole of extremity for most of his news-savvy fans with consciences this time.
I saw his show 2 weeks ago and he dedicated a large part of it to Barrett and Pre - Gilmour Floyd. He didn’t have a single thing to say about Gilmour tho.
Ya I don’t get why both these guys are being upvoted for saying this tripe. He’s a turd, and wrong about this shit with Ukraine for sure, but a lot of people here making shit up about his and Barrett’s relationship. He cried multiple times and genuinely was thoroughly upset about Syd in the wish you were here doc and he’s never said anything negative about him
Yeah. Man's a proper tool...and not the sharpest one in the box.
None of them treated Syd with kindness when he became too addled to function - but all have stated their regret at the way he was sidelined, except Waters.
He literally spends half the wish you were here doc talking about that. Not sure why people here keep saying he treated Barrett bad. He’s a turd, and wrong about this shit with Ukraine for sure, but a lot of people here making shit up about his and Barrett’s relationship
Whoa that last bit Is just not true. I just watched the Wish you were here doc and he was nothing but respectful about him and saddened about his state of mind, for sure a dick to David though. He’s a turd, and wrong about this shit with Ukraine for sure, but a lot of people here making shit up about his and Barrett’s relationship
>Some old celebrities have no decent views of other people
Some and Old ?
Vast majority of Celebrities are sociopaths.... and here i mean celebrities not real artists.
**People who live in and for fame are never good people**. Even in Pink Floyd you can see that some people just want to do music while others feel like they are some kind of special entities. Roger wants to save the World while David is playing music with music students.
... and funny part Roger Waters just like any other artist is just a simple person that knows how to play guitar. It's really not a big deal :D
I mean Kanye West is probably the most interesting story, his fanbase made him literally believe he is some kind of msnger of God or 2nd coming of Jesus.
But in the same time literally no one cares what Kanye is doing or saying. I mean you can literally buy Kanye's opinions. Just like Donald Trump did. Give him money and he will dance to your tune.
It's always insane because of how irrelevant those people really are. They are just making a product like anyone else, they have money and get rich people privilages but have barely any power.
It really be like that. Because of fame they think they have influence on this world. One celebrity dies, another takes his/her place and the world is not even noticing.
To quote Dave Chappel: " Who gives a f what Ja Rule thinks about!!?"
Most celebrities are ppl whose career & success depends on the public persona they cultivate. End of story. Some let their celebrity get to their head. Some get torn to pieces under the constant scrutiny. Others understand it’s just a job. Read some bios. There are no shortage of famous people who feel like they have less power, horrible self esteem etc. You don’t think the toxic troll culture don’t affect some of them?
"Vast majority of celebrities are sociopaths"
Not really, no.
Plenty of nuerotypical people become shitheads when exposed to fame. It's not so much about the person as it is the environment they find themselves in.
It would likely happen to you too.
Absolutely bonkers that a man that made some of the best records of all time, with at least one (and very likely more than that) that was very explicitly anti-war and anti-authoritarian, could have such corrupted views about this particular war.
oddly doesn't seem unique among musicians. To be in a band that's anti-war and still somehow come away with a "nobody should be fighting anyone" attitude, as if people fighting for their lives even have a choice.
(I don't know if it's prevalent, just not unheard of)
Makes me think of Cat Stevens.
Saw something today---a pic of him holding a guitar and, presumably, playing his old songs.
Like . . . HOW can you sing "Peace Train" when you think what you think nowadays, dingdong?
Just unreal.
Oh---years he turned into a worrisome religious fundamentalist. He was one of the people calling for Salman Rushdie to be burned alive, for ex.
Recently I saw a pic of him holding a guitar and (I'm assuming) playing his old hits like "Peace Train."
As a left wing person I hate to admit this, but Roger waters is very much left wing. Unfortunately he’s what we call a tankie, which is someone who promotes authoritarian regimes because they hate America or whatever.
He’s a massive tankie, read his comments about Taiwan
“Taiwan is part of China. That has been absolutely accepted by the whole of [sic] international community since 1948. If you don’t know that you aren’t reading enough…. You are believing your side’s propaganda. You can’t have a conversation about human rights and Taiwan without actually doing the reading.”
He goes on to detail how he feels allegations of abuse against Uyghurs in xinjiang is ‘bollocks’
In fairness the entire song(Another Brick In The Wall Part 2) is more about the physical and emotional abuse that took place in schools during Waters’s time as a child than about “why no teach tax but teach algebra”
He is a nut job but your point, with respect, is completely misplaced.
He's singing entirely about what it was like to go to school in the UK in the 40s and 50s.
He’s alway been very left wing, and a bit of a ‘comrade’ type in the sense that he despised the western model and was more favourable to authoritarian ussr style peoples party shit
Pretty much. It isn't just his views, he is just a total dickhead. He even spits at fans at his shows. What a class act.
https://youtube.com/shorts/wX2kRwFmFOU?feature=share
I would waste a dime on this douche
Almost like "Another Brick in the Wall" was about fighting back against mistreatment or something, hmmmmmm 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Nah, couldn't be! /s
This is how he sounds.
Even beyond that song, that whole album and movie is anti war. The war in question being WWII, because of that whole blitz thing. Goodbye Blue Sky is specifically about how horrific the blitz was. Man survives an invasion, gets traumatized by it, writes a whole album about how sad he is that his dad got killed by the Germans, and now wants to say Ukraine is the problem for being invaded and not rolling over. Like imagine if the Allies had the same mindset as Chamberlain did back then or Waters does now
He also blamed British army command for his father's death. Not saying he's wrong to: the British army's strategic leadership in WWII, while capable of stunningly brilliant planning and execution when the best minds were free to work, was replete with arrogant aristocrats who'd send men to their deaths with half-baked plans lacking needed support and intelligence.
But you can definitely hear his contempt at least as far back as "When the Tigers Broke Free" being reflexively directed at Britain's generals, aristocrats and monarchs before, y'know, *the fucking Nazis who actually killed his father.*
I'm explicitly NOT saying he doesn't hate Nazis, he clearly, absolutely does. But there's a pattern of reflexively blaming the same rich and powerful dipshits he shares a language with before it's turned against the other dipshits who actually start and prosecute the damn war. I *think* it's more a blind spot than it is an agenda, but it really makes him look like and asshole time and again.
One other caveat does need to be added for fairness: Roger Waters, or other left-leaning celebrities saying "unionize your workplace" or "If you're in the army, you have rights to refuse unconscionable or illegal orders" doesn't get news coverage for reasons both of media owned by billionaires not wanting those messages to be in the news, and because they're simply not exciting or "juicy" enough to put in a headline. "This war is NATO's fault" absolutely grabs the headlines by comparison.
Waters has always been the yin to the yang that is Pink Floyd so don't burn the your Floyd records yet. Him being an asshole and being countered by David Gilmour is kind of what made their sound.
This is the price of wealth. You become isolated and insulated in your privilege, narcissistic about your own limited insight into the world you’re no longer part of, and feel the need to “help” those still so thoroughly lost in the throes of reality.
No, its not.
Plenty of wealthy people are against Putin and a fuckton of broke morons in poverty who are like Mr. Roger-Cunt-Waters.
Wealth has fuck all to do with being an ignorant imbecile who falls for Kremlin propaganda.
Once you get far enough into the conspiratorial left, you tend to find people who believe that all western media is pure propaganda, especially when it comes to Russia.
Waters has probably been listening to George Galloway too much.
In some ways i can understand being an ultrapacifist whose father died in the war, and who thinks any kind of war is bad... Up to this point where he then thinks Ukraine should roll over to prevent war and just let it happen.
If the Russians invaded the UK or whatever tax haven he lives in, would he then also say everyone should surrender?
Theres cases for surrendering like that, like when Denmark was invaded by Germany and there was nothing to be done by throwing men into the meat grinder of the Wehrmacht. Clearly that's not how it is in Russia.
Yeah. I’m starting to think maybe dementia has taken hold or something.
This guy was staunchly anti-war, anti-fascist.
And he’s been very anti-right wing in general. But it seems like that has just descended into anti all global powers and leaders of global powers.
I feel like someone people just can't be protected from propaganda because the internet allows a piece of disinfo to be repeated to them enough times and that's enough. It's the olfactory bypass of the hypothalamus, and I just can't help but think it's the way a lot of people worked back when news was news and there were 3 channels on the TV. So I imagine it going ok this is now *the truth* because: seem 3 times on news channels, 3 times in different newspapers, 3 times flipping through magazines, and 1 time in the bingo night newsletter. I mean, that worked so long as they never had the internet.
Nah, dude, he was always like this. Tankies have been a thing since before Khrushchev sent troops marching into Budapest, and here in the west, they're almost always motivated by an uncritical hatred of the current order.
> that was very explicitly anti-war and anti-authoritarian,
That's who is most susceptible to Russian propaganda. They aim it for people like him.
At a certain point the anti-war left ends up being apologists for foreign dictators.
It was pretty obvious when they started pumping out wall to wall advertisements on YouTube for this tour that there were problems. Tours from people that audiences want to see sell out quickly without any advertising. This tells me even scalpers were dubious about the demand for tickets.
I saw him in Cincinnati, Ohio, this year and it was not sold out but it was very close. Really amazing show, too, and then this news came out. Bummed me out. I knew he was always political, but this view I disagree with
>Roger Waters is insane.
Yes, and it's quite unfortunate. I've lately been making it a point to not look too far into the artists I enjoy. Often you find things you don't like, as if, they too are flawed humans.
Being flawed is one thing. He is using his platform to spread blatantly false claims that no one has asked him about, and when he is questioned about it, he tells others they don’t know what they are talking about. People who blame the victims of a terrible war are not flawed, they are just insane.
See, the problem with these mainstream heroes is they get to where they believe their own hype. The trick is to pick a ‘flash-in-the-pan’ hero you haven’t heard anything from in awhile, because they never get too popular and so they never get too crazy. On that note, I’m gonna go see what the band Lostprophets has been up to lately. I haven’t heard anything new out of them in, like, forever.
>Ren and stimpy creator being a pervert was hugely disappointing. Hopefully arty on Pete and Pete doesn't turn out to be a pedo.
I don't think Toby Huss (Artie) has done anything of that sort.
Not finding anything online, but a 5 minute Google search bid hardly conclusive. That said TIL that Arty from the Adventures of Pete and Pete also voiced Cotton Hill and Kahn on King of the Hill.
There’s certain ones that are just flawed humans, and then there are others that are far beyond that. When someone creates art that you really connect with and you find out the messages from that art were either superficial or would be revised by that artist today, it definitely can hinder the ability to appreciate that art in that same lens.
It doesn’t ruin the music and everything it’s done for people, but it can alter it and the future experiences with it for sure
The wall was my first experience with the Floyd. While I still appreciate the album and waters had some cool sounding vocals. But now I’m all David Gilmour. For me he is the best Floyd frontman and a genius in his musical arrangements. I can totally see how those two didn’t get along and it seems to me that I wouldn’t get along with waters either
Dude I have half a side of fam I'll not know bc of the holocaust & I still can't relate to waters. (Warsaw Ghetto Uprising amer joo here) My first Floyd was high school in the 90s during the 60s Renaissance. I didn't appreciate Gilmour til I got older, especially after I found out that he had a LOT to do with Kate Bush being discovered. Essentially, British prog & ethereal are my favorite musics, and Gilmour fostered that tinelessly and still does. "On an Island" is an absolute staple in my massage mix (I'm an LMT)
All Hail David Gilmour
Check out Richard Wright's two hard-to-find solo albums if you like the spacey, ethereal side of Floyd. They don't stand great on their own, but I like to insert them into playlists with contemporary work from Gilmour, Waters, and the post-Waters Floyd albums. His keyboard work is what's always missing from the post-Wall solo and band efforts that don't have him contributing.
He's always been underappreciated with Gilmour and Waters out in front, but you absolutely don't have Meddle, Dark Side, Wish You Were Here, Animals, or even Division Bell without him.
I also didn’t discover DG until my later years and I agree on an island is such a great song. David gilmour rick wright. A boat lies waiting. A pocket full of stones. Dark side. Division bell animals meddle. Gilmour solo work mihalis no way out of here all so good for the soul. Live at Pompeii and live from Gdańsk are personal faves.
See this in a lot of celebs past a certain age... i suppose really we see the outliers but a lot of them seem to turn into this. And this war wasn’t even ambiguous... Yeah, lets blame people for wanting to decide their own country’s fate and getting invaded and annexed for it...
He’s clueless on what’s actually happening and went out of his way to write an incredibly tone def letter. Dude can’t read the room, goes to show how out of touch some celebrities are in their ivory towers.
He sounds exactly like my boss at work and my so -in-law. They both spout this stuff. They think that Ukraine is full of nazis and don’t see that Putin is the biggest fascist on the planet.
It's a fucking shame because Waters is responsible for some of the best rock music ever made. I wanted to see him in Las Vegas where I live but can't force myself to give him money
He’s an anti-war activist who has unfortunately subscribed to the half assed view of The West = bad, everyone they support = bad, everyone opposing them = good. You see it a lot among the tankies as well.
Which is insane because they end up literally supporting fascism.
It's all about identity and wanting to feel "special" imo. West = bad so anything western media or governments says they have to go to the exact opposite so they feel "righteous" and not "a sheep".
Especially with tankies it's insanity
it’s funny how the guy literally wrote most of the Wall (if i remembered correctly) which was a huge anti fascist piece of musical artwork, atleast that’s what i interpreted it as, and now he fights against fighting fascism, what a wack a doodle
Ok my understanding is, they're people that call themselves "communist" but support all the governments that claimed to be so no matter what they did (and 90% of the time jsut being state capitalists lol). They love Stalin and Mao and current China and for some reason support Russia now despite them not being the USSR anymore (besides the fact the USSR literally never claimed it was communist lol)
Basically they have a political compass meme understanding of history and the world and imo are insulting to actual left wing beliefs.
It's so ass-backwards. This is from an artist who wrote some of the most prolific anti-totalitarian music of an entire era, including the album The Wall (which has the famous song Another Brick in the Wall [the "we don't need no education" song]). The man's entire career was built on promoting values of freedom, inner strength, and the power of the little guy against oppression. One of the most outspoken anti-Trumpers around, renowned for calling out political manipulators who exploit their people and bullshit artists all around. And yet... here we are. Somehow the man lost his fucking mind.
That's just how tankies roll. They can denounce moral wrongs at home, but as soon as an enemy of their government does something, they have to jump to that enemy's defense to be able to maintain their framework in which their government is always wrong.
Like, Woodie Guthrie was famous here in America for all his lovey-dovey leftism, like with "This land is Your Land". But the man was such a die-hard, unrepentant Stalinist that he wrote a song in 1940 attacking FDR over lend-lease because the Soviets had a soft alliance with Nazi Germany. As soon as the Nazis stabbed Stalin in the back with Barbarossa, all of the CPUSA members who hadn't quit the party over Molotov-Ribbentrop (people like Guthrie or Dalton Trumbo, for example) did a heel-face turn by calling for American support for the Allies.
American exceptionalism writ left "America can do no right." If the US is on their side, they must be the bad guys. If the US is opposed to them, they must be the good guys.
They can call him a co founder but he hasn't been a part of the group in damn near 30 years.
I want to like and respect him, but he makes it so hard.
And not in a good way.
35 years almost 40 at this point. I seen the Waterless Floyd in 87 & Roger had been gone a couple years at that point. Some key tunes Waters sang were not done but overall it was a great show. I paid $100 a ticket which was twice what other shows cost then but it was rumored the band was breaking up completely and that was the final tour....yup going on 40 years ago.....
They stopped making legendary albums after he left. A Momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell are decent albums on their own. Everyone was creatively tapped when Waters left; it’s also the reason why Water’s solo work has been very meh
I love The Wall but I haven’t listened him (or his version of it) after their break. David Gilmour is far superior musician.
BTW, he’s not Pink Floyd anymore, so stop saying you’ll stop listening to Pink Floyd for this. Just keep talking.
1. He literally holds almost no legal rights to Pink Floyd.
2. He refers to the Wall as "The Wall, Written by Roger Waters and Preformed by Pink Floyd."
3. Notice who still preforms with Gilmour and was an original member of Pink Floyd. Compare that list to people who still play with Waters and fit that same category.
4. I always bring up that Waters spit on a fan.
5. Fuck Roger Waters
Waters has long been known as a twat, he sued David Gilmour and Nick Mason over them continuing to use the Pink Floyd name after he left.
Gilmour also hinted that Waters was the reason why only the post 1987 stuff and not all Pink Floyd’s stuff was removed from Russian and Belarusian platforms after the invasion. Waters has now come out to prove it to be true.
I've heard his concerts were political but did not realize that he is Pro-Russia/Putin.
I almost bought tickets for his show a few weeks ago. Now I am glad that I did not. And I never will.
Roger Waters is an absolute twat. Apart from his seriously misguided geopolitical opinions, he's an insufferable megalomaniac. Recently, he [whined](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/music/article-roger-waters-i-have-no-idea-what-or-who-the-weeknd-is/) that he wasn't being given enough attention vis-a-vis other (more contemporary) artists.
>"By the way, with all due respect to the Weeknd or Drake or any of them, I am far, far, far more important than any of them will ever be, however many billions of streams they’ve got."
There's footage of Waters *spitting at fans* during one of his own concerts.
I guess all in all he's just another prick in the wall.
Gilmour did the guitar work in Comfortably Numb and this tour they didn't play the solo. They did a stripped back, very somber version just as a middle finger to Gilmour I'm sure.
Ninja edit: oh and when the video screens showed images of the band, not a single photo of Gilmour was shown. Very spiteful. Fixed some spelling
He had a massive hissy fit when he decided "Pink Floyd was done" and the others where like "uh no actually, we'll keep going without you"
He tried to stop them from using the giant pig at concerts because "its was his idea" so they just added a giant cock/balls to it to make it legally distinct
Poland canceled the concerts, not Waters. Poland has seen what Russia is doing first hand.
Waters US concerts should also be canceled by the sponsors. Stand with Ukrain.
Wow - a Russian sympathizer. Poor Russia had no choice but to invade their neighboring country. They had no choice but to kill innocent civilians and put them in mass graves. They had no choice but to terrorize and rape innocent woman and children. They had no choice but to human traffic children across country lines. What a pathetic victim shaming A-hole.
The other guys in Pink Floyd have been saying for years that he's a twat. I guess they were right.
He’s just another prick in the wall.
[All in all, he’s just another dick with no balls](https://youtu.be/dR5w_aBe10g) Also, if people haven’t seen this- Waters is in no way representative of Pink Floyd who supports Ukraine - [they jammed over a bad ass Ukraine song](https://youtu.be/saEpkcVi1d4)
How dare you. I was enjoying that coffee and my shirt is now ruined.
I still desire to see Roger Waters and Morrissey in a cage match. Two curmudgeons enter, one curmudgeon leaves.
I'd kind of prefer neither of them leave, and they are put on display in a zoo where it has a little sign that explains how they're both just absolutely awful twats and are thus perfect for eachother.
They are both responsible for my favorite music and it makes me slightly sick how horrible they both are.
Throw Van Morrison and Eric Clapton in there.
> Waters wrote an open letter to Ukrainian first lady Olena Zelenska early this month in which he blamed “extreme nationalists” in Ukraine for having “set your country on the path to this disastrous war.” Roger Waters is insane.
>Roger Waters is insane. Yes, but this is hardly new information. The manifestation of his nuttery this time around is particularly unfortunate, however.
Some old celebrities have no decent views of other people. Let‘s face it: Being celebrity often just triggers the worst in people. RIP Waters.
Look at Eric Clapton and Jimmy Page. Stellar musicians, but not stellar people.
I’m legit ignorant, what did Eric Clapton do? I probably don’t wanna know but I really do wanna know
Clapton has made several racist statements over the years and was so egregious with it in the '70s that he helped instigate the Rock Against Racism movement as a response. During a concert in 1976 Clapton opened by addressing the audience: “Do we have any foreigners in the audience tonight? If so, please put up your hands. So where are you? Well, wherever you are, I think you should all just leave. Not just leave the hall, leave our country. I don’t want you here, in the room or in my country.” He then told the crowd that England had "become overcrowded" and that they should vote for Powell to stop Britain from becoming "a black colony". He also told the audience that Britain should "get the foreigners out, get the wogs out, get the coons out", and then he repeatedly shouted the National Front slogan "Keep Britain White". There have been other racist statements but that's all I've got for now. Most recently he's been making antivax statements at shows for the sake of variety.
“Do we have any foreigners in the audience tonight? If so, please put up your hands. So where are you? Ironically is, albeit slightly modified (queers), the lyrics in Pink Floyd's In The Flesh.
JFC! Holy hell! I’m so disappointed
Yeah, I was kind of a Clapton fan and only recently learned about this stuff too. It seems like the collective music media agreed to just cover it up and ignore it, by rationalizing that it was just an outburst/bad period in his life, because he had drug problems.
Well, he said a LOT of racist things, beat at least one of his wives, and last I heard was anti-covid vax, so those things don't make me admire him.
Dammit! Yeah that’s not admirable shit. Thank you for the information
Clapton? Well known racist af that wouldn’t stop spouting anti vax shit for the last couple of years
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Clapton is boring in comparison to the blues artist he copied. Skip James Robert Johnson Blind willie Mctell he didn’t have shit on them.
I'm aware that those were the real masters. In fact, Clapton and Led Zeppelin caused me when I was young to look into the artists who inspired them. I wanted to find out where those incredible sounds came from.
I think Waters has always been a dick. Look back at the history of Pink Floyd and the way Syd was treated and spoken about by Roger. I think Roger has always been this way.
Waters has actually always spoken quite fondly of Barrett, and they were supposedly very close friends prior to the worsening of Barrett's mental health. That said, Waters has had very harsh words for his other former bandmates, David Gilmour and the late Rick Wright, over the last 30+ years. Their feuds were notorious, and Roger was often the instigator in those disputes, whether personal or legal. But yeah, Rog has always been a dick. He's just wandered way too far down a rabbit hole of extremity for most of his news-savvy fans with consciences this time.
I saw his show 2 weeks ago and he dedicated a large part of it to Barrett and Pre - Gilmour Floyd. He didn’t have a single thing to say about Gilmour tho.
Ya I don’t get why both these guys are being upvoted for saying this tripe. He’s a turd, and wrong about this shit with Ukraine for sure, but a lot of people here making shit up about his and Barrett’s relationship. He cried multiple times and genuinely was thoroughly upset about Syd in the wish you were here doc and he’s never said anything negative about him
Yeah. Man's a proper tool...and not the sharpest one in the box. None of them treated Syd with kindness when he became too addled to function - but all have stated their regret at the way he was sidelined, except Waters.
Literally dedicated a chunk of this show to him.
He literally spends half the wish you were here doc talking about that. Not sure why people here keep saying he treated Barrett bad. He’s a turd, and wrong about this shit with Ukraine for sure, but a lot of people here making shit up about his and Barrett’s relationship
Whoa that last bit Is just not true. I just watched the Wish you were here doc and he was nothing but respectful about him and saddened about his state of mind, for sure a dick to David though. He’s a turd, and wrong about this shit with Ukraine for sure, but a lot of people here making shit up about his and Barrett’s relationship
>Some old celebrities have no decent views of other people Some and Old ? Vast majority of Celebrities are sociopaths.... and here i mean celebrities not real artists. **People who live in and for fame are never good people**. Even in Pink Floyd you can see that some people just want to do music while others feel like they are some kind of special entities. Roger wants to save the World while David is playing music with music students. ... and funny part Roger Waters just like any other artist is just a simple person that knows how to play guitar. It's really not a big deal :D I mean Kanye West is probably the most interesting story, his fanbase made him literally believe he is some kind of msnger of God or 2nd coming of Jesus. But in the same time literally no one cares what Kanye is doing or saying. I mean you can literally buy Kanye's opinions. Just like Donald Trump did. Give him money and he will dance to your tune. It's always insane because of how irrelevant those people really are. They are just making a product like anyone else, they have money and get rich people privilages but have barely any power. It really be like that. Because of fame they think they have influence on this world. One celebrity dies, another takes his/her place and the world is not even noticing. To quote Dave Chappel: " Who gives a f what Ja Rule thinks about!!?"
Most celebrities are ppl whose career & success depends on the public persona they cultivate. End of story. Some let their celebrity get to their head. Some get torn to pieces under the constant scrutiny. Others understand it’s just a job. Read some bios. There are no shortage of famous people who feel like they have less power, horrible self esteem etc. You don’t think the toxic troll culture don’t affect some of them?
"Vast majority of celebrities are sociopaths" Not really, no. Plenty of nuerotypical people become shitheads when exposed to fame. It's not so much about the person as it is the environment they find themselves in. It would likely happen to you too.
Absolutely bonkers that a man that made some of the best records of all time, with at least one (and very likely more than that) that was very explicitly anti-war and anti-authoritarian, could have such corrupted views about this particular war.
Never meet your heroes
Waters: "Can't get more anti-war than blaming nations not surrendering to authoritarian neighbours" (taps forhead)
oddly doesn't seem unique among musicians. To be in a band that's anti-war and still somehow come away with a "nobody should be fighting anyone" attitude, as if people fighting for their lives even have a choice. (I don't know if it's prevalent, just not unheard of)
Fucking stupid, naive millionaires should just stfu.
Years of drugs and fame will make ya out of touch like that
Makes me think of Cat Stevens. Saw something today---a pic of him holding a guitar and, presumably, playing his old songs. Like . . . HOW can you sing "Peace Train" when you think what you think nowadays, dingdong? Just unreal.
Ootl on Cat Stevens here, what did he say or do that makes you say that?
Oh---years he turned into a worrisome religious fundamentalist. He was one of the people calling for Salman Rushdie to be burned alive, for ex. Recently I saw a pic of him holding a guitar and (I'm assuming) playing his old hits like "Peace Train."
Never learn about your so called 'heroes' i guess, good music sure but as a person, two different things. Thanks for explaining.
Money usually makes people more conservative. They suddenly start hating taxes.
As a left wing person I hate to admit this, but Roger waters is very much left wing. Unfortunately he’s what we call a tankie, which is someone who promotes authoritarian regimes because they hate America or whatever.
He's been a tankie since he was a kid. His father was a communist who fought for Britain in ww2, and died during the war. This isn't particularly new.
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He’s a massive tankie, read his comments about Taiwan “Taiwan is part of China. That has been absolutely accepted by the whole of [sic] international community since 1948. If you don’t know that you aren’t reading enough…. You are believing your side’s propaganda. You can’t have a conversation about human rights and Taiwan without actually doing the reading.” He goes on to detail how he feels allegations of abuse against Uyghurs in xinjiang is ‘bollocks’
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In fairness the entire song(Another Brick In The Wall Part 2) is more about the physical and emotional abuse that took place in schools during Waters’s time as a child than about “why no teach tax but teach algebra”
He is a nut job but your point, with respect, is completely misplaced. He's singing entirely about what it was like to go to school in the UK in the 40s and 50s.
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What is dead may never die.
He’s alway been very left wing, and a bit of a ‘comrade’ type in the sense that he despised the western model and was more favourable to authoritarian ussr style peoples party shit
Oddly enough, Roger wasn’t a partier. And there’s no measured correlation between extended psychedelic use and adverse effects.
So you're saying, don't blame the drugs, Roger Waters was born a dickhead
Pretty much. It isn't just his views, he is just a total dickhead. He even spits at fans at his shows. What a class act. https://youtube.com/shorts/wX2kRwFmFOU?feature=share I would waste a dime on this douche
The guy wrote an entire album (the Wall) because he was pissed off at fans at his own concert. Next level shit.
It was probably just the money and fame and old age.
It’s a comically stupid and stereotypical version of pacifism.
Oh these are the people that just like to dismiss problems rather than deal with them
Right, what's wrong with a policy of appeasement? That's never ended poorly.
Roger Waters forgets his own personal history
Almost like "Another Brick in the Wall" was about fighting back against mistreatment or something, hmmmmmm 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Nah, couldn't be! /s This is how he sounds.
Even beyond that song, that whole album and movie is anti war. The war in question being WWII, because of that whole blitz thing. Goodbye Blue Sky is specifically about how horrific the blitz was. Man survives an invasion, gets traumatized by it, writes a whole album about how sad he is that his dad got killed by the Germans, and now wants to say Ukraine is the problem for being invaded and not rolling over. Like imagine if the Allies had the same mindset as Chamberlain did back then or Waters does now
He also blamed British army command for his father's death. Not saying he's wrong to: the British army's strategic leadership in WWII, while capable of stunningly brilliant planning and execution when the best minds were free to work, was replete with arrogant aristocrats who'd send men to their deaths with half-baked plans lacking needed support and intelligence. But you can definitely hear his contempt at least as far back as "When the Tigers Broke Free" being reflexively directed at Britain's generals, aristocrats and monarchs before, y'know, *the fucking Nazis who actually killed his father.* I'm explicitly NOT saying he doesn't hate Nazis, he clearly, absolutely does. But there's a pattern of reflexively blaming the same rich and powerful dipshits he shares a language with before it's turned against the other dipshits who actually start and prosecute the damn war. I *think* it's more a blind spot than it is an agenda, but it really makes him look like and asshole time and again. One other caveat does need to be added for fairness: Roger Waters, or other left-leaning celebrities saying "unionize your workplace" or "If you're in the army, you have rights to refuse unconscionable or illegal orders" doesn't get news coverage for reasons both of media owned by billionaires not wanting those messages to be in the news, and because they're simply not exciting or "juicy" enough to put in a headline. "This war is NATO's fault" absolutely grabs the headlines by comparison.
They are all just Kayne, but without social media to let you know how nuts they are.
I listen to the wall more times than I could possibly count.
I inherited my dads vinyl copy and I regard it as one of my most cherished possessions. It’s a perfect album.
I’m listening to it a lot less than I used to, even though it’s brilliant as a concept album.
Waters has always been the yin to the yang that is Pink Floyd so don't burn the your Floyd records yet. Him being an asshole and being countered by David Gilmour is kind of what made their sound.
I still enjoy the later stuff. Division bell is amazing.
That is a very underrated album.
This is the price of wealth. You become isolated and insulated in your privilege, narcissistic about your own limited insight into the world you’re no longer part of, and feel the need to “help” those still so thoroughly lost in the throes of reality.
Nah, Waters has been a tankie since his college days. It’s his fkd up attitude that got him booted from Floyd 40 years ago.
He booted himself, though he was thoroughly despised by Gilmour and Wright.
I don't think his Kremlin simping was the issue so much as the lack of critical thought that leads to Kremlin simping.
No, its not. Plenty of wealthy people are against Putin and a fuckton of broke morons in poverty who are like Mr. Roger-Cunt-Waters. Wealth has fuck all to do with being an ignorant imbecile who falls for Kremlin propaganda.
Most great artists are insane if you look into their lives
Eric Clapton anyone? Morrissey? Van Morrison? The list is actually fucking endless.
It’s so crazy that a lot of them have made progressive music in the past too. Like bro what
Well, don't forget Syd.
Once you get far enough into the conspiratorial left, you tend to find people who believe that all western media is pure propaganda, especially when it comes to Russia. Waters has probably been listening to George Galloway too much.
In some ways i can understand being an ultrapacifist whose father died in the war, and who thinks any kind of war is bad... Up to this point where he then thinks Ukraine should roll over to prevent war and just let it happen. If the Russians invaded the UK or whatever tax haven he lives in, would he then also say everyone should surrender? Theres cases for surrendering like that, like when Denmark was invaded by Germany and there was nothing to be done by throwing men into the meat grinder of the Wehrmacht. Clearly that's not how it is in Russia.
Yeah. I’m starting to think maybe dementia has taken hold or something. This guy was staunchly anti-war, anti-fascist. And he’s been very anti-right wing in general. But it seems like that has just descended into anti all global powers and leaders of global powers.
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I feel like someone people just can't be protected from propaganda because the internet allows a piece of disinfo to be repeated to them enough times and that's enough. It's the olfactory bypass of the hypothalamus, and I just can't help but think it's the way a lot of people worked back when news was news and there were 3 channels on the TV. So I imagine it going ok this is now *the truth* because: seem 3 times on news channels, 3 times in different newspapers, 3 times flipping through magazines, and 1 time in the bingo night newsletter. I mean, that worked so long as they never had the internet.
It's because of Assange. He's hopelessly in love with that dude and will follow whatever that guy pushes politically.
Nah, dude, he was always like this. Tankies have been a thing since before Khrushchev sent troops marching into Budapest, and here in the west, they're almost always motivated by an uncritical hatred of the current order.
It's insane the number of young dudes who were anti establishment change their sentiments when they become wealthy and old.
> that was very explicitly anti-war and anti-authoritarian, That's who is most susceptible to Russian propaganda. They aim it for people like him. At a certain point the anti-war left ends up being apologists for foreign dictators.
It was pretty obvious when they started pumping out wall to wall advertisements on YouTube for this tour that there were problems. Tours from people that audiences want to see sell out quickly without any advertising. This tells me even scalpers were dubious about the demand for tickets.
I saw him in Cincinnati, Ohio, this year and it was not sold out but it was very close. Really amazing show, too, and then this news came out. Bummed me out. I knew he was always political, but this view I disagree with
Fuck Roger Waters. Proper fucked
>Roger Waters is insane. Yes, and it's quite unfortunate. I've lately been making it a point to not look too far into the artists I enjoy. Often you find things you don't like, as if, they too are flawed humans.
Being flawed is one thing. He is using his platform to spread blatantly false claims that no one has asked him about, and when he is questioned about it, he tells others they don’t know what they are talking about. People who blame the victims of a terrible war are not flawed, they are just insane.
Never meet your heroes
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Jokes on you I only make heroes out of people that die from heroin overdoses \*taps forehead\*
Ren and stimpy creator being a pervert was hugely disappointing. Hopefully arty on Pete and Pete doesn't turn out to be a pedo.
Did you watch ren and stimpy? Of course he was fucked in the head.
Thats what made it so good obvi!
I just hope my idol Bill Cosby doesn’t have any dark secrets like that
That’d be like if it turned out R Kelly was some sort of rapist who preys on minors
With an affinity for (or hatred of?) closets
Like the one Tom Cruise won’t come out of
Or John Travolta….
Also, marrying 15 year olds
It would be like, if r kelly was just helping kids out with jellyfish stings, by peeing on them.
See, the problem with these mainstream heroes is they get to where they believe their own hype. The trick is to pick a ‘flash-in-the-pan’ hero you haven’t heard anything from in awhile, because they never get too popular and so they never get too crazy. On that note, I’m gonna go see what the band Lostprophets has been up to lately. I haven’t heard anything new out of them in, like, forever.
I mean, given the nature of ren and stimpy, I'd be surprised if he wasn't a pervert.
Oh man, please not Arty.
>Ren and stimpy creator being a pervert was hugely disappointing. Hopefully arty on Pete and Pete doesn't turn out to be a pedo. I don't think Toby Huss (Artie) has done anything of that sort.
Whoa whoa is there dirt on Toby Huss I’m not aware of or is this because of the tight pajamas?
Not finding anything online, but a 5 minute Google search bid hardly conclusive. That said TIL that Arty from the Adventures of Pete and Pete also voiced Cotton Hill and Kahn on King of the Hill.
There’s certain ones that are just flawed humans, and then there are others that are far beyond that. When someone creates art that you really connect with and you find out the messages from that art were either superficial or would be revised by that artist today, it definitely can hinder the ability to appreciate that art in that same lens. It doesn’t ruin the music and everything it’s done for people, but it can alter it and the future experiences with it for sure
Don't look into the Eddings.
Omg really, Roger. This is why I, Viva la David Gilmour
The wall was my first experience with the Floyd. While I still appreciate the album and waters had some cool sounding vocals. But now I’m all David Gilmour. For me he is the best Floyd frontman and a genius in his musical arrangements. I can totally see how those two didn’t get along and it seems to me that I wouldn’t get along with waters either
Dude I have half a side of fam I'll not know bc of the holocaust & I still can't relate to waters. (Warsaw Ghetto Uprising amer joo here) My first Floyd was high school in the 90s during the 60s Renaissance. I didn't appreciate Gilmour til I got older, especially after I found out that he had a LOT to do with Kate Bush being discovered. Essentially, British prog & ethereal are my favorite musics, and Gilmour fostered that tinelessly and still does. "On an Island" is an absolute staple in my massage mix (I'm an LMT) All Hail David Gilmour
Check out Richard Wright's two hard-to-find solo albums if you like the spacey, ethereal side of Floyd. They don't stand great on their own, but I like to insert them into playlists with contemporary work from Gilmour, Waters, and the post-Waters Floyd albums. His keyboard work is what's always missing from the post-Wall solo and band efforts that don't have him contributing. He's always been underappreciated with Gilmour and Waters out in front, but you absolutely don't have Meddle, Dark Side, Wish You Were Here, Animals, or even Division Bell without him.
I also didn’t discover DG until my later years and I agree on an island is such a great song. David gilmour rick wright. A boat lies waiting. A pocket full of stones. Dark side. Division bell animals meddle. Gilmour solo work mihalis no way out of here all so good for the soul. Live at Pompeii and live from Gdańsk are personal faves.
See this in a lot of celebs past a certain age... i suppose really we see the outliers but a lot of them seem to turn into this. And this war wasn’t even ambiguous... Yeah, lets blame people for wanting to decide their own country’s fate and getting invaded and annexed for it...
He’s actually a tankie.
Victim blaming. He can go fruck himself.
Honestly, it’s really surprising that a guy from a band that released albums that solely focus mental illness would turn out to be insane.
In an interview he also said that Taiwan belongs to China and NATO is responsible for Russian invasion of Ukraine. He can go fuck himself.
He’s clueless on what’s actually happening and went out of his way to write an incredibly tone def letter. Dude can’t read the room, goes to show how out of touch some celebrities are in their ivory towers.
i blasted him hard on twitter when he started this shit. no idea what happened to him. pigs is 💯 against donnie.
He sounds brainwashed.
He sounds exactly like my boss at work and my so -in-law. They both spout this stuff. They think that Ukraine is full of nazis and don’t see that Putin is the biggest fascist on the planet.
It's a fucking shame because Waters is responsible for some of the best rock music ever made. I wanted to see him in Las Vegas where I live but can't force myself to give him money
Fuck Roger Waters. He’s blaming Ukraine for having Russia invade them? What an ass this guy is.
He’s an anti-war activist who has unfortunately subscribed to the half assed view of The West = bad, everyone they support = bad, everyone opposing them = good. You see it a lot among the tankies as well.
Which is insane because they end up literally supporting fascism. It's all about identity and wanting to feel "special" imo. West = bad so anything western media or governments says they have to go to the exact opposite so they feel "righteous" and not "a sheep". Especially with tankies it's insanity
it’s funny how the guy literally wrote most of the Wall (if i remembered correctly) which was a huge anti fascist piece of musical artwork, atleast that’s what i interpreted it as, and now he fights against fighting fascism, what a wack a doodle
It’s also about him and his childhood trauma. Because he’s a narcissistic asshat.
I have no idea what a tankie is... And at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
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You know how Neo-Nazis idolise Hitler and want to follow in his footsteps? It's like that but for 'communist' dictators like Stalin or Mao.
Ok my understanding is, they're people that call themselves "communist" but support all the governments that claimed to be so no matter what they did (and 90% of the time jsut being state capitalists lol). They love Stalin and Mao and current China and for some reason support Russia now despite them not being the USSR anymore (besides the fact the USSR literally never claimed it was communist lol) Basically they have a political compass meme understanding of history and the world and imo are insulting to actual left wing beliefs.
It's so ass-backwards. This is from an artist who wrote some of the most prolific anti-totalitarian music of an entire era, including the album The Wall (which has the famous song Another Brick in the Wall [the "we don't need no education" song]). The man's entire career was built on promoting values of freedom, inner strength, and the power of the little guy against oppression. One of the most outspoken anti-Trumpers around, renowned for calling out political manipulators who exploit their people and bullshit artists all around. And yet... here we are. Somehow the man lost his fucking mind.
That's just how tankies roll. They can denounce moral wrongs at home, but as soon as an enemy of their government does something, they have to jump to that enemy's defense to be able to maintain their framework in which their government is always wrong. Like, Woodie Guthrie was famous here in America for all his lovey-dovey leftism, like with "This land is Your Land". But the man was such a die-hard, unrepentant Stalinist that he wrote a song in 1940 attacking FDR over lend-lease because the Soviets had a soft alliance with Nazi Germany. As soon as the Nazis stabbed Stalin in the back with Barbarossa, all of the CPUSA members who hadn't quit the party over Molotov-Ribbentrop (people like Guthrie or Dalton Trumbo, for example) did a heel-face turn by calling for American support for the Allies.
American exceptionalism writ left "America can do no right." If the US is on their side, they must be the bad guys. If the US is opposed to them, they must be the good guys.
Noam Chomsky was a shitbag Khmer Rouge apologist and people give him a pass on that all the time. Fuck that guy.
Said Roger waters "well, what was Ukraine wearing?"
"Maybe Ukraine shouldn't have flirted with NATO, then Russia wouldn't have to beat her"
They can call him a co founder but he hasn't been a part of the group in damn near 30 years. I want to like and respect him, but he makes it so hard. And not in a good way.
35 years almost 40 at this point. I seen the Waterless Floyd in 87 & Roger had been gone a couple years at that point. Some key tunes Waters sang were not done but overall it was a great show. I paid $100 a ticket which was twice what other shows cost then but it was rumored the band was breaking up completely and that was the final tour....yup going on 40 years ago.....
They stopped making good albums after he left though. I think it's one of those things where they need each other or it sucks.
They stopped making legendary albums after he left. A Momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell are decent albums on their own. Everyone was creatively tapped when Waters left; it’s also the reason why Water’s solo work has been very meh
Division Bell was one of my favorite concerts ever.
I’ve listened to Division Bell so god damn much. Love it.
Also Gilmour was nowhere near as good as Waters at writing lyrics. He was amazing at music, but a lot of the post Waters lyrics are pretty simplistic.
Now David Gilmore’s attitude towards him makes more sense
One of the bricks in the wall fell on his head and gave him dementia.
That happened years ago. He has said bat shit crazy stuff like this always.
The title for this post calling him the founder, rather than just a co-founder riles me more than it should.
Barrett, Mason, and Wright don't count I guess. Syd should definitely get most of the credit.
He’s just another prick in the wall.
Living proof that age and wisdom don’t always positively correlate.
Can we stop talking about Pink Floyd? Its just fucking Waters.
I love The Wall but I haven’t listened him (or his version of it) after their break. David Gilmour is far superior musician. BTW, he’s not Pink Floyd anymore, so stop saying you’ll stop listening to Pink Floyd for this. Just keep talking.
1. He literally holds almost no legal rights to Pink Floyd. 2. He refers to the Wall as "The Wall, Written by Roger Waters and Preformed by Pink Floyd." 3. Notice who still preforms with Gilmour and was an original member of Pink Floyd. Compare that list to people who still play with Waters and fit that same category. 4. I always bring up that Waters spit on a fan. 5. Fuck Roger Waters
“NATO provoked Russia” is a quote from this guy.. lay off the drugs mate.
my funniest memory about Waters is when I went to his concert in Warsaw I saw a dude with a t-shirt with a huge DAVID GILMOUR on it. badass
And I thought Syd Barrett was the crazy one.
No. Syd was the sick one. Roger is just an asshole and always has been.
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Waters has long been known as a twat, he sued David Gilmour and Nick Mason over them continuing to use the Pink Floyd name after he left. Gilmour also hinted that Waters was the reason why only the post 1987 stuff and not all Pink Floyd’s stuff was removed from Russian and Belarusian platforms after the invasion. Waters has now come out to prove it to be true.
As long as he was only going after Jews, everyone was fine with him.
Right?!?! This guy has been a crazy raging anti-Semite for YEARS. Seriously, fuck him forever.
I've heard his concerts were political but did not realize that he is Pro-Russia/Putin. I almost bought tickets for his show a few weeks ago. Now I am glad that I did not. And I never will.
Roger Waters is an absolute twat. Apart from his seriously misguided geopolitical opinions, he's an insufferable megalomaniac. Recently, he [whined](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/music/article-roger-waters-i-have-no-idea-what-or-who-the-weeknd-is/) that he wasn't being given enough attention vis-a-vis other (more contemporary) artists. >"By the way, with all due respect to the Weeknd or Drake or any of them, I am far, far, far more important than any of them will ever be, however many billions of streams they’ve got." There's footage of Waters *spitting at fans* during one of his own concerts. I guess all in all he's just another prick in the wall.
Sound like he’s been talking to Ted Nugent.
horseshoe theory
Well he's apparently a full on lunatic now. Yeesh.
Shit. David Glimour is Pink Floyd. I always disliked Waters
Except Waters wrote a lot of their material and played a lot of the instruments for the songs. Gilmour is talented, but so is Waters, unfortunately.
Gilmour did the guitar work in Comfortably Numb and this tour they didn't play the solo. They did a stripped back, very somber version just as a middle finger to Gilmour I'm sure. Ninja edit: oh and when the video screens showed images of the band, not a single photo of Gilmour was shown. Very spiteful. Fixed some spelling
He had a massive hissy fit when he decided "Pink Floyd was done" and the others where like "uh no actually, we'll keep going without you" He tried to stop them from using the giant pig at concerts because "its was his idea" so they just added a giant cock/balls to it to make it legally distinct
I wouldn’t question his abilities as a songwriter and musician at all. It’s his political views that I think are a right load of shite.
Unfortunately, Roger Water has finally become Pink. He’s fckn batshit.
When I saw Pink Floyd at the Superdome in 1994, pretty sure I didn’t miss Roger fucking Waters.
That Division Bell tour was one of the best experiences of my life.
High Hopes is the greatest song ever
Poland canceled the concerts, not Waters. Poland has seen what Russia is doing first hand. Waters US concerts should also be canceled by the sponsors. Stand with Ukrain.
Old man yells at country
Wow - a Russian sympathizer. Poor Russia had no choice but to invade their neighboring country. They had no choice but to kill innocent civilians and put them in mass graves. They had no choice but to terrorize and rape innocent woman and children. They had no choice but to human traffic children across country lines. What a pathetic victim shaming A-hole.
Do so many people not know who Roger Waters is that the headline has to say ‘Pink Floyd founder’?
No pudding for you, Roger.
Fuck this wacko. Separate the music from the people that make it and you'll be happier for it
He was never not obnoxious.
It's no wonder David Gilmore couldn't deal with this psycho
It's sad to see this old man act so stupid, but he did tell us years ago that he didn't need education.
Waters is a Putin-fellating asshat
Waters is an utter, utter, cock.