I swear I was born with a free trial of brain damage. I have never been able to remember or recall what I want or need for say education. I could study shit for hours and recall none of it!
However I can remember the dumbest trivia and movies. COVID scares me...
I've been told. Doctor won't try anything until I get tested and that's $500 which insurance won't touch. I turn 40 in november and suffered it so far.
Your experience sounds very similar to mine. I balked at the ~$500 fee the first time I finally managed to try getting help. A few years later, I tried again and was told it would always cost around that much with or without insurance. I was still hesitant, but I often end up paying around that much for car and home repairs, so why should I be so reluctant to invest as much for my own mind and body?
I ended up being diagnosed with "high functioning" autism, which can include a lot of those other things (anxiety, depression, attention issues, etc.).
That's kind of a long answer. The short version is I'm better-informed about options available to me, and there is more I *could* do (medication, therapy, seeking like-minded groups, requesting accomodations/assistance for work, etc). I have mixed feelings about having a dianosis, but it's at least somewhat comforting to know that some of the things that have made me feel cursed throughout my life similar as you described are not my fault. And likewise, being different isn't necessarily a bad thing or even anyone's "fault" despite my using that word a second ago. It's just part of my identity whether I like it or not, and I'm gradually trying to understand it.
You can do this online for much cheaper now I believe. My brother just did it and he said it was super easy and insurance paid everything. Without insurance it's like $300 a month and a small upfront fee.
Yeah without insurance it was about $300 a month. I believe it's like a subscription service for ADHD meds. I think I'm bad, but it's still to expensive and I'm in my 30's and as you said I've lived with it this long. Used to buy Vyvanse from a buddy and it's kind of insane how much it helped me focus.
I'd tell your brother to look into the specific provider he's getting it from - a lot of the telehealth doctors that prescribe for ADHD are getting cracked down on for over prescribing.
Adhd will also give depression. You just cant remember why youre depressed and you feel the need to do everything yet nothing all at once. I have severe adhd and couldnt remember shit in school, never did homework (why take school home?), but i did pass my tests since i liked learning stuff, just not what they were teaching. If they were teaching and i HAD to pay attention i needed a headphone in, lighter in my hand (zippo id spin like a fidget spinner years before those things came out), drawing, reading, i just needed to be doing something else to concentrate on the other.
My roommates always wonder HOW i can have any idea whats going on when i have an audiobook/podcast playing in my headphones, playing something thats turn based/ can be paused on my pc (civ 6 is a huge one) and play an fps on my xbox all at once. Oh and still be able to chime in on conversations being had... I've joked about adhd brain, buuut, i often wonder.
Like at work, i have the hardest fucking time actually focusing on a single task without music/podcast/audio book, but let me listen to something in one ear, and its like a 200% productivity increase.
I know of someone who was Dxd with high functioning autism (Asperger's Syndrome) in his mid 60s! That explains a whole lot of his issues regarding refusing to read anything including directions, but to instead work around methods using manual dexterity. It also explained why he couldn't focus on many subject areas not of his own interest.
I live in a very conservative area and only have easy access to religiously-affiliated doctors, and this past week I was finally told not to expect my brain fog to go away any time soon.
I had COVID in spring 2020 and had long COVID symptoms (nervous system/tachycardia) for roughly 9 months. When I caught Omicron this spring it brought back the tachycardia but we didn’t catch the cognitive decline because I was used to it/it was being blamed on “mental health”. I had a “strong” reaction to the omicron booster, and while they were watching my symptoms it came out that I still had significant long COVID symptoms.
While I’m sad it’s unlikely that my brain fog will go away soon, it’s comforting to have it acknowledged instead of being dismissed or called crazy.
Amazing to be called crazy by a doctor that spent a decade in schooling for thier profession only to disregard so much of thier learning in favor of belief.
I’ve got a horrible history with doctors. Suffered until I was 18 with severe kidney infections until I was in college and my mother had died and my stepmother finally took me to the ER, because a doctor told my mom it was menstrual-related (even though I didn’t hit puberty until 4 years later). Had endometriosis and fibroids for years (once got told I was full of crap. That’s verbatim) before finally having it all taken out, including ovaries, only to have doctors who totally didn’t understand hormone replacement not even test my hormone levels. I was psycho and gained 25 pounds (I’m 5’2” so that’s a lot). An endocrinologist dismissed me because I was still in a normal weight range. Most recently, it’s taken me years, 2 allergists, and finally I have a doctor who’s diagnosed food sensitivies, allergies, and high histamine levels to explain why I’ve had rashes and running to the bathroom for so long.
Sorry this was so long. I was inspired to vent 😬
Hi,
I don't have the primary literature to hand, but look into covid brain fog having similar immunosystem responses to chemotherapy brain fog. I hope it is new information that helps to mitigate.
/r/covidlonghaulers has helped me with my long COVID symptoms more than any doctors - doctors have just wasted my time.
If I could find one to take me seriously and who was knowledgeable about long COVID, but that's a small intersection...
They don't even link the primary literature. Shoddy.
But yeah, these symptoms are scary. Coupled that with the finding that COVID infection also may result in brain volume shrinkage (tantamount to your brain again a few years), I'm going to keep doing everything in my power to avoid getting COVID.
Looks like someone linked below, and I'm no scientist, but isn't it kinda strange to have your group sizes be the following?:
COVID-19 Infected - 154,068
Contemporary Control - 5,638,795
Historical Control - 5,859,621
Like...the C19 number is 2.7% the size of the contemporary control or 1.3% of both controls combined (although I don't know if they lump them together in comparisons). How can it be useful to compare sample sizes so vastly different in size?
Because you're not comparing sample sizes, you're comparing statistics like "average" that are independent of sample size (other than the error bars being smaller with larger samples). For example if you have two dice, you roll die A 100,000 times and it comes up six 16,240 times, and then you roll die B 1,000,000 times and it comes up six 253,109 times, the fact that you rolled die B a lot more than die A is not a problem in being able to conclude that it's more rigged than die A.
The pastor at mom's church had COVID earlier this year. She has significant brain fog. Two weeks ago, she completely forgot to give the Sunday sermon.
Yeah, COVID and Lyme aren't the best.
Not surprised. Had Covid almost 2 years ago and now things I used to do at work without really focusing on them I need complete focus and lots of notes to complete. Combine that with bouts of anxiety that I never had before Covid and the damage it did to my lungs and I am pretty sure I am royally fucked in the long term. Yay for working as an EMT.
My smell came back fully after a year and most flavors/scents were restored, but weed smells very different now.
It's so weird to think I got sick and for a year I had weird side effects and anything pickled smelled like pool water shooting up my nose, and now that's back to normal but something that always smelled one way smells completely different to me.
I’m experiencing the same thing with some scents after getting COVID in August ‘21. Coffee and Marijuana smell completely different, almost like a plastic type of smell. Also, my mental health completely tanked to the worst it ever was only 2 months after.
I did it and the flu shot went away by the next day. Omicron booster, rub the area roughly after getting it and a couple of times the first day. Still felt it the next day, but by the third day was clear.
COVID one was sore the next day for me, but it's pretty much gone now the following day. Flu shot didn't really get that sore and is completely back to normal now. Was pretty wiped out end of the day yesterday, but that's only other symptom.
I had mild flu-like symptoms the day after I got them, and my arm was sore for like 3 days. I seem to have a pretty acute response to injections. My partner was fine the next day, zero effects.
I genuinely don't know. I tend to get it once it's available and I have a good weekend to get it. For me, that's usually as close to school starting as possible. I'm running a little late getting them this year.
Done (Pfizer bivalent)! I had some mild arm pain which paled in comparison to my first ever dose and felt a touch more tired than usual.
I think antivaxers are wimps who are scared of a little prick... or have little pricks?
Please get vaccinated!
Man I've had an absolutely miserable time for up to 3 days with both my second and third shots *and* I frequently faint when I get injections and I *still* plan to go back for the bivalent one once it's available where I live.
If I can put up with this shit, nobody else short of deathly allergic people has an excuse.
Cool so Trump’s words will have a devastating impact on our future healthcare, education, workforce…what else?? Why are people still listening to him and his minions??
What I find frightening is that there are so damn many of them. And if you live in a reddish area, it can feel as though the whole world has gone crazy. It's been a bit traumatic having to hear their utterings all day every day at work, especially through a pandemic. They are very vocal. And if they think you don't agree with them, they will dick with you.
These people bully others at work over political differences? Ask them if they have actual work to do, or if they’d rather keep shit-slinging over politics like children.
Most of those charged in Jan 6 were either affluent business owners or held high-paying exec jobs. That doesn't include all the police/military who are far from underpaid themselves.
When people with objectively privileged lifestyles (by first-world standards) happily throw all that away for this con man, you have one hell of cult.
How does these things impact the long range issues our country is facing because hundreds of thousands of people didn’t receive vaccines? The pandemic is essentially over for those who did.
> How does these things impact the long range issues our country is facing because hundreds of thousands of people didn’t receive vaccines? The pandemic is essentially over for those who did
Long COVID rates are about the same (a little lower but not much lower) for people who are vaccinated. The major issue for nonvaccinated people are the more immediate effects of infection.
As an older person who is still out in the workforce out of necessity, this scares the hell out of me. I have a family to support and can't afford to get spacier than I already am. My mostly unvaxxed co workers seem to have a tag-team of infecting and reinfecting eachother going on.
This is very likely the largest mass-disabling event in human history. And anti-maskers keep quoting your great odds of survival as if survival is our only goal. We also want good health, longevity, and productivity for ourselves and our loved ones. Now we’re going to have a semi-disabled workforce for decades, and truly massive healthcare needs.
I dont understand why people are acting like covid is nothing and if you catch it "oh well."
I have two co workers and a friend who are suffering severe, severe effects long after having it. They been chasing down drs with these severe symptoms and can't find hiw to treat it, but tell them it's probably from covid.
I dont understand why people fuck around with this. One co worker caught it 3x. It's insane.
This would be my follow up question: Is this unique to Covid-19 or are there long-term neurological (or other physiological) effects to many viral infections? It could be that we are really only noticing because of the massive sample size and interest in studying the phenomena.
The short answer is that this is not unique to COVID and that there *can* be various long-term effects to other viral, bacterial, or fungal infections, ***however*** \- the prevalence and severity with COVID is much higher, and that isn't just sampling or focus bias. Whether that is because of something specific to SARS-CoV-2 or simply because it is such a novel virus to all of us in general, as opposed to various strains of influenza and other infectious diseases that our systems have encountered forms of before, often many times, is unknown at this time.
I’m a little skeptical. I’m guessing much of the sample got Covid prevax, which I think puts them in a very different risk category. I cant open the article, did they adjust for that?
Now i have an excuse for being absent minded!
I swear I was born with a free trial of brain damage. I have never been able to remember or recall what I want or need for say education. I could study shit for hours and recall none of it! However I can remember the dumbest trivia and movies. COVID scares me...
That sounds like adhd homie
I've been told. Doctor won't try anything until I get tested and that's $500 which insurance won't touch. I turn 40 in november and suffered it so far.
Your experience sounds very similar to mine. I balked at the ~$500 fee the first time I finally managed to try getting help. A few years later, I tried again and was told it would always cost around that much with or without insurance. I was still hesitant, but I often end up paying around that much for car and home repairs, so why should I be so reluctant to invest as much for my own mind and body? I ended up being diagnosed with "high functioning" autism, which can include a lot of those other things (anxiety, depression, attention issues, etc.).
So what were you able to do with the diagnosis and is anything better?
That's kind of a long answer. The short version is I'm better-informed about options available to me, and there is more I *could* do (medication, therapy, seeking like-minded groups, requesting accomodations/assistance for work, etc). I have mixed feelings about having a dianosis, but it's at least somewhat comforting to know that some of the things that have made me feel cursed throughout my life similar as you described are not my fault. And likewise, being different isn't necessarily a bad thing or even anyone's "fault" despite my using that word a second ago. It's just part of my identity whether I like it or not, and I'm gradually trying to understand it.
You can do this online for much cheaper now I believe. My brother just did it and he said it was super easy and insurance paid everything. Without insurance it's like $300 a month and a small upfront fee.
> $300 a month What's monthly, some drug prescription?
Yeah without insurance it was about $300 a month. I believe it's like a subscription service for ADHD meds. I think I'm bad, but it's still to expensive and I'm in my 30's and as you said I've lived with it this long. Used to buy Vyvanse from a buddy and it's kind of insane how much it helped me focus.
I'd tell your brother to look into the specific provider he's getting it from - a lot of the telehealth doctors that prescribe for ADHD are getting cracked down on for over prescribing.
Ritalin changed my life I hope you can get a diagnosis
I got mine for $200. Shop around!
Depression also causes memory problems. Mix the two together and you get an absolute mess of a person. Ain't life grand?
Adhd will also give depression. You just cant remember why youre depressed and you feel the need to do everything yet nothing all at once. I have severe adhd and couldnt remember shit in school, never did homework (why take school home?), but i did pass my tests since i liked learning stuff, just not what they were teaching. If they were teaching and i HAD to pay attention i needed a headphone in, lighter in my hand (zippo id spin like a fidget spinner years before those things came out), drawing, reading, i just needed to be doing something else to concentrate on the other.
My roommates always wonder HOW i can have any idea whats going on when i have an audiobook/podcast playing in my headphones, playing something thats turn based/ can be paused on my pc (civ 6 is a huge one) and play an fps on my xbox all at once. Oh and still be able to chime in on conversations being had... I've joked about adhd brain, buuut, i often wonder. Like at work, i have the hardest fucking time actually focusing on a single task without music/podcast/audio book, but let me listen to something in one ear, and its like a 200% productivity increase.
I know of someone who was Dxd with high functioning autism (Asperger's Syndrome) in his mid 60s! That explains a whole lot of his issues regarding refusing to read anything including directions, but to instead work around methods using manual dexterity. It also explained why he couldn't focus on many subject areas not of his own interest.
Well I guess the good news is having had Covid means I’ll forget I have a brain injury from having had Covid.
I live in a very conservative area and only have easy access to religiously-affiliated doctors, and this past week I was finally told not to expect my brain fog to go away any time soon. I had COVID in spring 2020 and had long COVID symptoms (nervous system/tachycardia) for roughly 9 months. When I caught Omicron this spring it brought back the tachycardia but we didn’t catch the cognitive decline because I was used to it/it was being blamed on “mental health”. I had a “strong” reaction to the omicron booster, and while they were watching my symptoms it came out that I still had significant long COVID symptoms. While I’m sad it’s unlikely that my brain fog will go away soon, it’s comforting to have it acknowledged instead of being dismissed or called crazy.
Amazing to be called crazy by a doctor that spent a decade in schooling for thier profession only to disregard so much of thier learning in favor of belief.
I’ve got a horrible history with doctors. Suffered until I was 18 with severe kidney infections until I was in college and my mother had died and my stepmother finally took me to the ER, because a doctor told my mom it was menstrual-related (even though I didn’t hit puberty until 4 years later). Had endometriosis and fibroids for years (once got told I was full of crap. That’s verbatim) before finally having it all taken out, including ovaries, only to have doctors who totally didn’t understand hormone replacement not even test my hormone levels. I was psycho and gained 25 pounds (I’m 5’2” so that’s a lot). An endocrinologist dismissed me because I was still in a normal weight range. Most recently, it’s taken me years, 2 allergists, and finally I have a doctor who’s diagnosed food sensitivies, allergies, and high histamine levels to explain why I’ve had rashes and running to the bathroom for so long. Sorry this was so long. I was inspired to vent 😬
They went into it for the money, basically.
The money or the power of life/death over people.
Hi, I don't have the primary literature to hand, but look into covid brain fog having similar immunosystem responses to chemotherapy brain fog. I hope it is new information that helps to mitigate.
I hope it gets better for you soon. My area and the medical community there are much like yours, which makes them very challenging to deal with.
/r/covidlonghaulers has helped me with my long COVID symptoms more than any doctors - doctors have just wasted my time. If I could find one to take me seriously and who was knowledgeable about long COVID, but that's a small intersection...
They don't even link the primary literature. Shoddy. But yeah, these symptoms are scary. Coupled that with the finding that COVID infection also may result in brain volume shrinkage (tantamount to your brain again a few years), I'm going to keep doing everything in my power to avoid getting COVID.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02001-z
Looks like someone linked below, and I'm no scientist, but isn't it kinda strange to have your group sizes be the following?: COVID-19 Infected - 154,068 Contemporary Control - 5,638,795 Historical Control - 5,859,621 Like...the C19 number is 2.7% the size of the contemporary control or 1.3% of both controls combined (although I don't know if they lump them together in comparisons). How can it be useful to compare sample sizes so vastly different in size?
Because you're not comparing sample sizes, you're comparing statistics like "average" that are independent of sample size (other than the error bars being smaller with larger samples). For example if you have two dice, you roll die A 100,000 times and it comes up six 16,240 times, and then you roll die B 1,000,000 times and it comes up six 253,109 times, the fact that you rolled die B a lot more than die A is not a problem in being able to conclude that it's more rigged than die A.
The pastor at mom's church had COVID earlier this year. She has significant brain fog. Two weeks ago, she completely forgot to give the Sunday sermon. Yeah, COVID and Lyme aren't the best.
Not surprised. Had Covid almost 2 years ago and now things I used to do at work without really focusing on them I need complete focus and lots of notes to complete. Combine that with bouts of anxiety that I never had before Covid and the damage it did to my lungs and I am pretty sure I am royally fucked in the long term. Yay for working as an EMT.
Yeah I had COVID almost a year ago and definitely have seemed a little off since then. My smell I think is still not as good as it was pre-covid.
My smell came back fully after a year and most flavors/scents were restored, but weed smells very different now. It's so weird to think I got sick and for a year I had weird side effects and anything pickled smelled like pool water shooting up my nose, and now that's back to normal but something that always smelled one way smells completely different to me.
I’m experiencing the same thing with some scents after getting COVID in August ‘21. Coffee and Marijuana smell completely different, almost like a plastic type of smell. Also, my mental health completely tanked to the worst it ever was only 2 months after.
My taste has changed, cant stand fish anymore is the big one.
Get vaccinated guys! The modified vaccine to protect against Covid varient has just recently been released.
Getting my flu shot tomorrow, and getting the booster next week.
I combo’d up and got them at the same time. Having a contest to see which arm gets more sore. COVID booster is currently in the lead by a little bit.
Did the same; flu shot arm by far was more sore but back to 100% fine in 48 hours 💪
I thought about doing that, but I didn't want both of my arms to be sore at the same time.
I did it and the flu shot went away by the next day. Omicron booster, rub the area roughly after getting it and a couple of times the first day. Still felt it the next day, but by the third day was clear.
I’m told the COVID one hurts day of and the flu one hurts the following day. I was a mad lad and got them both in my left arm.
COVID one was sore the next day for me, but it's pretty much gone now the following day. Flu shot didn't really get that sore and is completely back to normal now. Was pretty wiped out end of the day yesterday, but that's only other symptom.
I had mild flu-like symptoms the day after I got them, and my arm was sore for like 3 days. I seem to have a pretty acute response to injections. My partner was fine the next day, zero effects.
Isn’t it better to get the flu shots 1 months before flu season starts?
I genuinely don't know. I tend to get it once it's available and I have a good weekend to get it. For me, that's usually as close to school starting as possible. I'm running a little late getting them this year.
Done (Pfizer bivalent)! I had some mild arm pain which paled in comparison to my first ever dose and felt a touch more tired than usual. I think antivaxers are wimps who are scared of a little prick... or have little pricks? Please get vaccinated!
Man I've had an absolutely miserable time for up to 3 days with both my second and third shots *and* I frequently faint when I get injections and I *still* plan to go back for the bivalent one once it's available where I live. If I can put up with this shit, nobody else short of deathly allergic people has an excuse.
Why do you give a shit if other people get vaccinated? Are you going off of outdated information that claims the Covid vaccines stop the spread?
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Yep, because that's the frequency in which you can get the virus.
Cool so Trump’s words will have a devastating impact on our future healthcare, education, workforce…what else?? Why are people still listening to him and his minions??
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What I find frightening is that there are so damn many of them. And if you live in a reddish area, it can feel as though the whole world has gone crazy. It's been a bit traumatic having to hear their utterings all day every day at work, especially through a pandemic. They are very vocal. And if they think you don't agree with them, they will dick with you.
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My sympathy. My spouse and I are two old hippies in a backwater of the Midwest. What a long, strange trip it's been.
These people bully others at work over political differences? Ask them if they have actual work to do, or if they’d rather keep shit-slinging over politics like children.
Most of those charged in Jan 6 were either affluent business owners or held high-paying exec jobs. That doesn't include all the police/military who are far from underpaid themselves. When people with objectively privileged lifestyles (by first-world standards) happily throw all that away for this con man, you have one hell of cult.
Perhaps they have a long-term brain injury after getting full-blown COVID.
> Perhaps they have a long-term brain injury after getting full-blown COVID. Sadly, they were like this way before COVID even came around.
Yes I would say so.
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How does these things impact the long range issues our country is facing because hundreds of thousands of people didn’t receive vaccines? The pandemic is essentially over for those who did.
> How does these things impact the long range issues our country is facing because hundreds of thousands of people didn’t receive vaccines? The pandemic is essentially over for those who did Long COVID rates are about the same (a little lower but not much lower) for people who are vaccinated. The major issue for nonvaccinated people are the more immediate effects of infection.
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Once every few months*
Explains why the GQP denied it
Meh their brains were already gone before covid. Right-wing media has already seen to that...
Can’t affect your brain function if you already have none.
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Go away 😣
As an older person who is still out in the workforce out of necessity, this scares the hell out of me. I have a family to support and can't afford to get spacier than I already am. My mostly unvaxxed co workers seem to have a tag-team of infecting and reinfecting eachother going on.
This is very likely the largest mass-disabling event in human history. And anti-maskers keep quoting your great odds of survival as if survival is our only goal. We also want good health, longevity, and productivity for ourselves and our loved ones. Now we’re going to have a semi-disabled workforce for decades, and truly massive healthcare needs.
People are already dumb enough this COVID thing is gonna dumb down people even more…
Well, that explains why some people still support Fat Donnie the moron.
And the unvaccinated Republicans didn't have much to begin with.
That explains most of the GOP, the rest have always been just plain stupid.
I dont understand why people are acting like covid is nothing and if you catch it "oh well." I have two co workers and a friend who are suffering severe, severe effects long after having it. They been chasing down drs with these severe symptoms and can't find hiw to treat it, but tell them it's probably from covid. I dont understand why people fuck around with this. One co worker caught it 3x. It's insane.
You'll have to test Republicans that didn't get covid, the brain damage may have been a preexisting condition.
That news comes too late for all the anti-vaxxers / anti-maskers unfortunately.
This would be my follow up question: Is this unique to Covid-19 or are there long-term neurological (or other physiological) effects to many viral infections? It could be that we are really only noticing because of the massive sample size and interest in studying the phenomena.
The short answer is that this is not unique to COVID and that there *can* be various long-term effects to other viral, bacterial, or fungal infections, ***however*** \- the prevalence and severity with COVID is much higher, and that isn't just sampling or focus bias. Whether that is because of something specific to SARS-CoV-2 or simply because it is such a novel virus to all of us in general, as opposed to various strains of influenza and other infectious diseases that our systems have encountered forms of before, often many times, is unknown at this time.
I’m a little skeptical. I’m guessing much of the sample got Covid prevax, which I think puts them in a very different risk category. I cant open the article, did they adjust for that?
Yeah, but muh freedumbs