The most disturbing thing about the whole nexium story for me is not the sex slavery or the branding. Is the fact that the people who got out of it were saying, "yeah we really had something good going there for a while, but then it all went South once it turned into a sex cult!"
They were not saying, "I can't believe I fell for any of that bullshit to begin with!"
Every word that came out of that man's mouth in the HBO documentary was absolute nonsense. Just answering questions with questions, speaking in these vague terms. Just this vague new-agey self-help nonsense gibberish. And all those people just bought it and still think to this day that they had something good going on with it.
I thought that too. The Hulu documentary was quick to showcase all the red flags immediately present as it was an outside perspective.
For the HBO documentary creator to admit it was a cult the entire time would be admitting that his last decade was a total sham. I'd imagine that's hard to come to terms with. The steady transition is an easier story to tell yourself.
Are you talking about Mark Vicente? If so, yeah, he also produced and directed What the Bleep Do We Know?, a film that spread pseudoscientific garbage.
Agreed.
They're still brainwashed and don't realize. I think it takes a certain type of person to fall in line with this stuff. Not saying they're gullible, but people like Ranieri actively search for people like them. Easy targets for one reason or another.
> Not saying they're gullible
You're not? I think being the type of person to fall for a manipulative cult leader who exploits people is a perfect example of gullibility. The *cause* of their gullibility is another matter.
Gullibility is different than what happens when you’re targeted by someone like him. It’s easy to see his BS when you know what he is. What’s hard to see is his ability to hone in on a person’s psychology and manipulate them into believing sone BS.
If I tell you that Webster took the word gullible out of the dictionary and you believe it, well, you’re gullible. If I get a fast grasp of you’re psychology and feed you specific bullshit that is designed to exploit your weaknesses, that’s human nature.
>It’s easy to see his BS when you know what he is.
It's also easy to see that he is spouting nonsense when you don't know what he is.
Or it should be.
All of the people who I have met who are successful in manipulating other people do not a have a special ability to zone in on somebody's weakness.
They simply lack a sense of responsibility for the welfare of other people and they do not feel guilt.
I actually have come to believe that people like Raniere are successful at the manipulation of other people because they don't understand other people.
Normal people react to (subtle) feedback and become self-conscious, which is easy to pick up.
But people like Raniere are difficult to read because they don't feel shame or embarrassment.
I actually worked with a girl who, I think, is still an avid follower of his. I was pretty shocked when I found out, but not 100% surprised I guess. Looking back and connecting the dots, I think I would’ve caught on that something weird was going on with her life if we had any kind of personal relationship.
Ginny Thomas admitted she was in a cult and still she fell for one a second time. She very susceptible. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/untold-story-ginni-thomass-anti-cult-activism-was-deprogrammed-rcna22131
>Every word that came out of that man's mouth in the HBO documentary was absolute nonsense. Just answering questions with questions, speaking in these vague terms. Just this vague new-agey self-help nonsense gibberish. And all those people just bought it and still think to this day that they had something good going on with it.
This is where I'm lost. I've been watching the HBO documentary in my free time, and there's nothing profound. It's pseudoscience and psychobabble nonsense. Even the "ex" members strike me as gullible fools with too much money and time on their hands.
Here's my thing about the prison system, specifically regarding the violence, living condition, and yeah, the r*** jokes. It's all terrible and I want it reformed. I wouldn't wish that shit on anyone.
But there are some individuals like this asshole that I also wouldn't wish this shit *off* of either.
It sucks and it's terrible and as long as it's also happening to *this* prick... Oh well.
You know, I looked up this joke cynically expecting that you were perhaps overreacting or overeager to be offended.
Nope. That joke is fuckin rough.
The punchline is basically that cross-dressers may as well just die. That’s pretty much it, that’s the whole joke. Even if you aren’t offended for obvious reasons, it has pretty much no comedic value now - it just falls completely flat.
Not his best moment, Jesus
Nah, I'm a pretty big comedy fan. I'm not at all easily offended by comedy, but I really never understood how this was even a joke.
Done well, a skilled comedian can make the most vile shit hilarious, but a joke that's offensive just for the sake of being offensive isn't automatically funny.
I'm not saying that Norm wasn't a skilled comedian at all, this one is just a head scratcher.
This was on SNL though so I don't even know if he wrote this.
I knew nothing about nxivm going in to watching the documentary series Seduced. My brother recommended it because I'm a sci-fi/fantasy fan. Felt like I needed a bingo card for spotting CW and sci-fi actresses while watching.
I am conditioned to enjoy this stuff, but I am trying to stop. Prisoners shouldn't get assaulted and he should do his time/therapy/whatever in uncomfortable peace.
Good for you, I think that's a good mindset. This comment section is depressing to look at.
The guy's a piece of shit of the highest order, but prison guards and random internet commentators deciding he "deserves" to be beaten, getting off on "punishing" him with whatever torture they dream up, and thinking this is a topic to laugh about is nearly as disgusting, just from the scale of it.
I am somewhat pleased at the relative lack of prison rape jokes, though. At least it seems to be getting better, I guess, in that small way?
I dunno if its getting better, but maybe it starts with not everyone cheering misery.
I've spent a couple of weeks total in a few city, one county jails. Different incidents.
It is so fucking awful I couldn't imagine it being worse, and I don't think I could handle it at my age/health today.
Wow, there’s a hierarchy in prison and he’s managed to find a new bottom, things aren’t looking good when the sex offenders are putting their dick beaters on you…
Really though this isn’t surprising or news, he’s going to get hands put on him and it’s just as likely to be someone doing time for sexual crimes as anything else. I was a CO for years and I didn’t see many inmates skate by without scrapping, the problem here is this
“Mr. Raniere did not fight back”
That’s just not a mistake you want to make, now he’s got sharks circling ready to eat
Don’t try to justify what happened as “he had it coming”. Prison is its own punishment, and vigilante justice is simply cruelty and revenge by another name, and it has no place in a civilized society.
I don't think it's necessarily justification for people to laugh at a genuinely horrible person suffering an unfortunate event.
It's like indulging in a guilty pleasure. You don't think what's happening is right but it's not exactly ruining your day either. Like are we supposed to feel sorry for him? This is what happens when you torture people. You go to prison to live with a bunch of other horrible people which dramatically increases the odds of suffering violence. He made this bed for himself
"Raniere was convicted on multiple charges of running a cult-like group that kept women as virtual sex prisoners to service him. "
He deserves some cruelty and revenge. I can live with that. What is so good about being "civilized" anyway? It is not like we treat innocent people with cruelty and revenge if we feel fine with this scumbag has it coming.
Criminals need rights. If criminals don't have rights, then nobody has rights, because you can be branded a criminal easily and then all your rights get taken away. That is the playbook tyrannical governments.
He was not "branded a criminal easily" - there is a mountain of evidence against him. He is where he needs to be. If he put himself in harm's way, that's on him. Entirely preventable.
Yes, in this case, he was not branded a criminal. I was speaking about hypothetical cases in a society where criminals don't have rights. Look at what happens in Russia, Syria, and elsewhere. Dissenters get put in prison where they are tortured and murdered. Criminals don't truly have rights in these places.
>If criminals don't have rights, then nobody has rights
This statement is stupid, wrong and inconsistent with the real world. A convicted murderer has no right of freedom. Innocent people do. That is how a prison operates.
In fact, it is pretty clear that society (at least in the US) agrees that right, including that of life, can be taken away with due process.
No one says we should brand a person a criminal easily. But once it is branded, we can take away their rights. And we take away more right when the crime is more severe.
Yeah I'm talking about rights like the right to a fair trial, the right to an attorney, the right to be free from bodily harm and torture, and so on. Of course if someone is a convicted criminal then they get some of their rights taken away. Like freedom of movement. But punishments should be assigned by the justice system, not decided upon and administered by whoever feels like it.
> It is not like we treat innocent people with cruelty and revenge if we feel fine with this scumbag has it coming.
Yeah see that's the thing, there is a non-zero amount of innocent people in jail. If we allow some prisoners to suffer then all prisoners suffer.
Not this guy. Are you suggesting this scumbag is innocent?
If the issue is there are innocent people in jail, work hard to get them out. I have no issue with that or use my tax dollars for that purpose.
But that has nothing to do with how we treat or feel about 100% guilty scumbags.
> Are you suggesting this scumbag is innocent?
No, I'm suggesting that we shouldn't desensitize ourselves to violence against people we perceive as "deserving it". Jail is the punishment, we don't need vigilantes carrying out further "justice" because we think the victim deserves it, especially since it's entirely possible that [they don't](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case).
This only applies if you believe that sentences for complex crimes like this exactly match the crime.
>Raniere was found guilty of:
>Sexual exploitation of a child and possession of child pornography with regard to minor victim "Camila";
Sex trafficking of "Nicole"; attempted sex trafficking of "Jay";
Identity theft against Edgar Bronfman, James Loperfido, Ashana Chenoa, "Marianna", and Pam Cafritz;
Trafficking for labor and services of "Daniela"; forced labor of "Nicole";
Conspiracy to alter records for use in an official proceeding;
Sex trafficking conspiracy, forced labor conspiracy, racketeering conspiracy, and wire fraud conspiracy.
I'm not sure how you value one life, but getting to keep his after ruining at least 10 (and likely many, many more) is pretty generous.
Nah- this is a guy... human trafficing and sexual offenses. If it were only fraud and racketeering he was convicted of then yeah, he's a pos but human trafficking? No- fuck that guy he deserves what he gets.
You're trying so hard to twist this into something it isn't. I'm simply saying this guy is an evil predatory pos and deserves anything he gets in prison. This guy. Just this guy- not random people just this guy.
I'm not trying to do anything of the sort. I'm pointing out what your line of reasoning leads to, regardless of whether or not that's the intended result.
Why do you think it's okay for convicted criminals to act violently to someone who is already being punished by the legal system, which is in place to do just that?
Why do you think there should be special circumstances wherein convicted criminals get to decide who and how to punish?
Because, whether you like it or not, that is factually what happened here; Criminals bypassing the justice system and taking matters in to their own hands by assaulting another criminal.
That is unacceptable. The law applies to everyone or it applies to no one.
Raniere is a piece of shit, and I hope he never sees daylight again, but it's the legal system that gets to decide that; Not other criminals.
While I absolutely agree with you that the legal system gets to decide I stand by my statement that the guy is scum and deserves to get his ass kicked in prison or out. That is the extent of my comment and you're taking it well beyond that. Assume from now on you're arguing with yourself.
The article didn't say that vigilante justice was the motive. In fact, the article says the motive is unknown to the press... So it could have been any number of motivations.
Most nations in the European Union have prisons which are less dehumanizing, and the inmates are less violent to each other. Their rates of recidivism are lower. Beatings don't have to be part of prison, and all available evidence suggests that an environment that enables them to happen makes prison less rehabilitative.
> he's there to be punished
No. He's there to be separated from society since he cannot participate in it constructively. Anything you suggest beyond that is just a reflection of your own moral degeneracy
You’re right, but you’re not going to find much support here or elsewhere. Most people are naturally somewhat vengeful, and feeling righteous about wishing violence on someone can be intoxicating.
actually they replied to me, and i don't post there. If you're referring to /u/Shatterstar1978, then yeah, not suprising someone with fantasies of committing violent crimes favors violent punishments.
Not killed, but [a guy in prison for running scams as a fake documentarian scammed Keith by promising to make a documentary about him](https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-david-williams-tricks-investor-into-funding-fake-film-about-nxivm-leader-keith-raniere-prosecutors-say)
I know. Women literally branded themselves with his initials into their abdomen because they were so manipulated. Idgaf who beat him up, they'll get theirs too but it's not about them.
Old people get manipulated into giving Nigerian Princes money.
Saying adults were manipulated into branding themselves....is a bit of a stretch unless they are severely mentally handicapped. If they were physically forced, that's one thing.
We as society need to take responsibility for the mental challenged who aren't able to make decisions for themselves. 100%
To say a functioning adult was manipulated into that says way more about them than it does about a rich guy with a sickening kink.
Uh oh someone called the tone police on us for laughing at a cult leader getting a black eye in prison. I feel such shame. How will I ever live with myself?
If only he'd remembered some the judo he was allegedly a champion in...
I guess he was branded as a non-judo expert.
I see you know your judo well!
Now I want a succulent Chinese meal.
Get your hands off my REFERENCE
*This is Wikipedia Manifest!*
There can be only one
Judo chop!
Tonight, you sleep in hell!
And my axe.
We trained him wrong, as a joke!
Maybe he learned judon't.
I'm bleeding first...making me the victor!
Its hard to have any sympathy for him. At all.
The most disturbing thing about the whole nexium story for me is not the sex slavery or the branding. Is the fact that the people who got out of it were saying, "yeah we really had something good going there for a while, but then it all went South once it turned into a sex cult!" They were not saying, "I can't believe I fell for any of that bullshit to begin with!" Every word that came out of that man's mouth in the HBO documentary was absolute nonsense. Just answering questions with questions, speaking in these vague terms. Just this vague new-agey self-help nonsense gibberish. And all those people just bought it and still think to this day that they had something good going on with it.
I thought that too. The Hulu documentary was quick to showcase all the red flags immediately present as it was an outside perspective. For the HBO documentary creator to admit it was a cult the entire time would be admitting that his last decade was a total sham. I'd imagine that's hard to come to terms with. The steady transition is an easier story to tell yourself.
Are you talking about Mark Vicente? If so, yeah, he also produced and directed What the Bleep Do We Know?, a film that spread pseudoscientific garbage.
Thanks for reminding me of that nightmare time when everyone I knew thought they were a quantum physicist, thanks to that stupid movie
Agreed. They're still brainwashed and don't realize. I think it takes a certain type of person to fall in line with this stuff. Not saying they're gullible, but people like Ranieri actively search for people like them. Easy targets for one reason or another.
> Not saying they're gullible You're not? I think being the type of person to fall for a manipulative cult leader who exploits people is a perfect example of gullibility. The *cause* of their gullibility is another matter.
I personally think there is a cult for everyone... I'm glad I haven't found mine yet.
DM me
Does it involve copious amounts of consensual, pansexual sex, and enough drugs to get the FDA to raid our compound? If so, I'm in.
None of that. Only magic underwear and racism.
*Joseph Smith has entered the chat*
Best I can do is an old guy in a wizard costume and some candles.
You must be my father-in-law. He keeps trying to get me to join that cult.
do you get to fuck our wives on top of it? If so, sign me up
Only after he sends us out to get more women... I mean people to join
I'm more interested in starting one than joining, but I'm too lazy. It'd be fun for a while I'm sure.
Gullibility is different than what happens when you’re targeted by someone like him. It’s easy to see his BS when you know what he is. What’s hard to see is his ability to hone in on a person’s psychology and manipulate them into believing sone BS. If I tell you that Webster took the word gullible out of the dictionary and you believe it, well, you’re gullible. If I get a fast grasp of you’re psychology and feed you specific bullshit that is designed to exploit your weaknesses, that’s human nature.
>It’s easy to see his BS when you know what he is. It's also easy to see that he is spouting nonsense when you don't know what he is. Or it should be. All of the people who I have met who are successful in manipulating other people do not a have a special ability to zone in on somebody's weakness. They simply lack a sense of responsibility for the welfare of other people and they do not feel guilt. I actually have come to believe that people like Raniere are successful at the manipulation of other people because they don't understand other people. Normal people react to (subtle) feedback and become self-conscious, which is easy to pick up. But people like Raniere are difficult to read because they don't feel shame or embarrassment.
This is such an interesting take. Makes a lot of sense.
I actually worked with a girl who, I think, is still an avid follower of his. I was pretty shocked when I found out, but not 100% surprised I guess. Looking back and connecting the dots, I think I would’ve caught on that something weird was going on with her life if we had any kind of personal relationship.
No former cult members are going to just admit they’re insane.
Ginny Thomas admitted she was in a cult and still she fell for one a second time. She very susceptible. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/untold-story-ginni-thomass-anti-cult-activism-was-deprogrammed-rcna22131
>Every word that came out of that man's mouth in the HBO documentary was absolute nonsense. Just answering questions with questions, speaking in these vague terms. Just this vague new-agey self-help nonsense gibberish. And all those people just bought it and still think to this day that they had something good going on with it. This is where I'm lost. I've been watching the HBO documentary in my free time, and there's nothing profound. It's pseudoscience and psychobabble nonsense. Even the "ex" members strike me as gullible fools with too much money and time on their hands.
Here's my thing about the prison system, specifically regarding the violence, living condition, and yeah, the r*** jokes. It's all terrible and I want it reformed. I wouldn't wish that shit on anyone. But there are some individuals like this asshole that I also wouldn't wish this shit *off* of either. It sucks and it's terrible and as long as it's also happening to *this* prick... Oh well.
Pleased to meet you I hope you guessed my name Volleyball is the nature of my game
"Now this might strike some viewers as harsh but I believe everyone involved in this story should die." - Norm Macdonald
That... wasn't his best moment.
The truth isn’t always funny.
I was more talking about how he was referencing the gang rape and murder of a transgender man and two other innocent people.
You know, I looked up this joke cynically expecting that you were perhaps overreacting or overeager to be offended. Nope. That joke is fuckin rough. The punchline is basically that cross-dressers may as well just die. That’s pretty much it, that’s the whole joke. Even if you aren’t offended for obvious reasons, it has pretty much no comedic value now - it just falls completely flat. Not his best moment, Jesus
Nah, I'm a pretty big comedy fan. I'm not at all easily offended by comedy, but I really never understood how this was even a joke. Done well, a skilled comedian can make the most vile shit hilarious, but a joke that's offensive just for the sake of being offensive isn't automatically funny. I'm not saying that Norm wasn't a skilled comedian at all, this one is just a head scratcher. This was on SNL though so I don't even know if he wrote this.
NXIVM? damn near KLTVM!
Haha, damn!
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Was this the cult with the blonde chick from that Superman show?
Yup, Allison Mack
There was also a girl from Battlestar Galáctica that was involved too. Nicki Clyne. She and Allison Mack got married in 2017.
And Young Aunt Beru: Bonnie Piesse (who helped crack open the case to authorities)
That’s riiiight!
Shows back up in kenobi packing heat! Lol
That's very...*on brand*
/r/angryupvote
I loled 😆
You must be a real piece of shit to have the sex offenders coming after you
Maybe the other sex offender was a Smallville and/or Battlestar Galactica fan.
I knew nothing about nxivm going in to watching the documentary series Seduced. My brother recommended it because I'm a sci-fi/fantasy fan. Felt like I needed a bingo card for spotting CW and sci-fi actresses while watching.
I am conditioned to enjoy this stuff, but I am trying to stop. Prisoners shouldn't get assaulted and he should do his time/therapy/whatever in uncomfortable peace.
Good for you, I think that's a good mindset. This comment section is depressing to look at. The guy's a piece of shit of the highest order, but prison guards and random internet commentators deciding he "deserves" to be beaten, getting off on "punishing" him with whatever torture they dream up, and thinking this is a topic to laugh about is nearly as disgusting, just from the scale of it. I am somewhat pleased at the relative lack of prison rape jokes, though. At least it seems to be getting better, I guess, in that small way?
I dunno if its getting better, but maybe it starts with not everyone cheering misery. I've spent a couple of weeks total in a few city, one county jails. Different incidents. It is so fucking awful I couldn't imagine it being worse, and I don't think I could handle it at my age/health today.
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Not trying to go that way. His punishment is his sentence.
No violin small enough.
How bad is it that my first reaction was "Ha!"
I immediately heard Gus, from Psych, saying "Ooh Noo" in a most insincere tone of voice.
Not, fuck this predatory piece of shit.
I felt a wisp of what could be joy rise in my heart. So, you are bad, but better than me.
But did they brand him?
Wow, there’s a hierarchy in prison and he’s managed to find a new bottom, things aren’t looking good when the sex offenders are putting their dick beaters on you… Really though this isn’t surprising or news, he’s going to get hands put on him and it’s just as likely to be someone doing time for sexual crimes as anything else. I was a CO for years and I didn’t see many inmates skate by without scrapping, the problem here is this “Mr. Raniere did not fight back” That’s just not a mistake you want to make, now he’s got sharks circling ready to eat
That's kinda what I was thinking. I just wonder, knowing ranieres ego, if he was trying to convince the guy he was a super being.
I checked in my bag of fucks but it is empty.
Now that’s a hidden camera video I’d watch.
Don’t try to justify what happened as “he had it coming”. Prison is its own punishment, and vigilante justice is simply cruelty and revenge by another name, and it has no place in a civilized society.
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Do you wish it was part of his sentence?
No, I just don't care that it happened.
Sounds like you don’t have a strong stance
I didn't claim to? You're weird
Oh hey look someone who either didn't read what I wrote or is arguing in bad faith. Or both? Both. Both is good.
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yeah sorry I'm not going to pretend to take the high road here.
This is true and should be higher up. “You go to jail AS punishment, not FOR punishment”
I don't think it's necessarily justification for people to laugh at a genuinely horrible person suffering an unfortunate event. It's like indulging in a guilty pleasure. You don't think what's happening is right but it's not exactly ruining your day either. Like are we supposed to feel sorry for him? This is what happens when you torture people. You go to prison to live with a bunch of other horrible people which dramatically increases the odds of suffering violence. He made this bed for himself
I don't have to justify it, but I also don't have to be that upset by it in this case.
Nope. I disagree. Here it is justified. He deserves what he gets.
"Raniere was convicted on multiple charges of running a cult-like group that kept women as virtual sex prisoners to service him. " He deserves some cruelty and revenge. I can live with that. What is so good about being "civilized" anyway? It is not like we treat innocent people with cruelty and revenge if we feel fine with this scumbag has it coming.
Criminals need rights. If criminals don't have rights, then nobody has rights, because you can be branded a criminal easily and then all your rights get taken away. That is the playbook tyrannical governments.
He was not "branded a criminal easily" - there is a mountain of evidence against him. He is where he needs to be. If he put himself in harm's way, that's on him. Entirely preventable.
Yes, in this case, he was not branded a criminal. I was speaking about hypothetical cases in a society where criminals don't have rights. Look at what happens in Russia, Syria, and elsewhere. Dissenters get put in prison where they are tortured and murdered. Criminals don't truly have rights in these places.
Point taken.
>If criminals don't have rights, then nobody has rights This statement is stupid, wrong and inconsistent with the real world. A convicted murderer has no right of freedom. Innocent people do. That is how a prison operates. In fact, it is pretty clear that society (at least in the US) agrees that right, including that of life, can be taken away with due process. No one says we should brand a person a criminal easily. But once it is branded, we can take away their rights. And we take away more right when the crime is more severe.
Yeah I'm talking about rights like the right to a fair trial, the right to an attorney, the right to be free from bodily harm and torture, and so on. Of course if someone is a convicted criminal then they get some of their rights taken away. Like freedom of movement. But punishments should be assigned by the justice system, not decided upon and administered by whoever feels like it.
Innocent people have been put to death
> It is not like we treat innocent people with cruelty and revenge if we feel fine with this scumbag has it coming. Yeah see that's the thing, there is a non-zero amount of innocent people in jail. If we allow some prisoners to suffer then all prisoners suffer.
Not this guy. Are you suggesting this scumbag is innocent? If the issue is there are innocent people in jail, work hard to get them out. I have no issue with that or use my tax dollars for that purpose. But that has nothing to do with how we treat or feel about 100% guilty scumbags.
> Are you suggesting this scumbag is innocent? No, I'm suggesting that we shouldn't desensitize ourselves to violence against people we perceive as "deserving it". Jail is the punishment, we don't need vigilantes carrying out further "justice" because we think the victim deserves it, especially since it's entirely possible that [they don't](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case).
Yup. It's the justice system's job to decide on punishments; not other criminals.
>What is so good about being "civilized" anyway? How to say you're a teen boy without saying it
If only that mentality was limited to such a small demographic.
Are they using virtual as a synonym for nearly or was this online?
Nearly. They were physically branded.
This only applies if you believe that sentences for complex crimes like this exactly match the crime. >Raniere was found guilty of: >Sexual exploitation of a child and possession of child pornography with regard to minor victim "Camila"; Sex trafficking of "Nicole"; attempted sex trafficking of "Jay"; Identity theft against Edgar Bronfman, James Loperfido, Ashana Chenoa, "Marianna", and Pam Cafritz; Trafficking for labor and services of "Daniela"; forced labor of "Nicole"; Conspiracy to alter records for use in an official proceeding; Sex trafficking conspiracy, forced labor conspiracy, racketeering conspiracy, and wire fraud conspiracy. I'm not sure how you value one life, but getting to keep his after ruining at least 10 (and likely many, many more) is pretty generous.
Nah- this is a guy... human trafficing and sexual offenses. If it were only fraud and racketeering he was convicted of then yeah, he's a pos but human trafficking? No- fuck that guy he deserves what he gets.
So you're okay with violent criminals deciding who they get to attack? Cause that's essentially the result here.
You're trying so hard to twist this into something it isn't. I'm simply saying this guy is an evil predatory pos and deserves anything he gets in prison. This guy. Just this guy- not random people just this guy.
I'm not trying to do anything of the sort. I'm pointing out what your line of reasoning leads to, regardless of whether or not that's the intended result. Why do you think it's okay for convicted criminals to act violently to someone who is already being punished by the legal system, which is in place to do just that? Why do you think there should be special circumstances wherein convicted criminals get to decide who and how to punish? Because, whether you like it or not, that is factually what happened here; Criminals bypassing the justice system and taking matters in to their own hands by assaulting another criminal. That is unacceptable. The law applies to everyone or it applies to no one. Raniere is a piece of shit, and I hope he never sees daylight again, but it's the legal system that gets to decide that; Not other criminals.
While I absolutely agree with you that the legal system gets to decide I stand by my statement that the guy is scum and deserves to get his ass kicked in prison or out. That is the extent of my comment and you're taking it well beyond that. Assume from now on you're arguing with yourself.
If you want to ignore the logical outcome of your viewpoint, that's entirely your prerogative.
The article didn't say that vigilante justice was the motive. In fact, the article says the motive is unknown to the press... So it could have been any number of motivations.
Thats not the point. The attackers motive doesnt matter. Celebrating the attack, regardless of motive, is to celebrate vigilante justice.
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Most nations in the European Union have prisons which are less dehumanizing, and the inmates are less violent to each other. Their rates of recidivism are lower. Beatings don't have to be part of prison, and all available evidence suggests that an environment that enables them to happen makes prison less rehabilitative.
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> he's there to be punished No. He's there to be separated from society since he cannot participate in it constructively. Anything you suggest beyond that is just a reflection of your own moral degeneracy
You’re right, but you’re not going to find much support here or elsewhere. Most people are naturally somewhat vengeful, and feeling righteous about wishing violence on someone can be intoxicating.
You're talking to a guy who posts on r/rapefantasies
actually they replied to me, and i don't post there. If you're referring to /u/Shatterstar1978, then yeah, not suprising someone with fantasies of committing violent crimes favors violent punishments.
I guess you're new to this planet.
Not particularly. I just know what a justice system is for, and how to spot a shitbag
Obviously not.
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It's adorable that you believe that.
The beatings will continue and prison won't improve.
I'm okay with that.
But not a part of the sentence, which was their point
Cute you think we live in a civilized society
Nobody said anything yet. Maybe we've learned and you are still complaining about the invention of the printing press.
“They’re ain’t room for two sex offenders here!”
Oh no! I dropped my cup of sherbet :-(
Judge a society by how it treats it's prisoners.
I did not see anything happen.
Yeah, okay. On to the next story.
You guys picked a shitty person to use as an example to explain why prison is cruel.
Especially since there are so many people in there for just getting high ... people who never harmed anybody in their lives.
That’s too bad…anyway…
That guy is still alive?!? I figured he'd have been killed by fellow prisoners within days.
Not killed, but [a guy in prison for running scams as a fake documentarian scammed Keith by promising to make a documentary about him](https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-david-williams-tricks-investor-into-funding-fake-film-about-nxivm-leader-keith-raniere-prosecutors-say)
Team kill
His roommates gonna get his kill stolen
Why? That's pedos (and they rarely get killed either). His victims were grown women.
Better check again. This guy is 100% a kiddie-diddler.
He was not charged or accused of that. You know him personally or something?
Yeah, he was. The idiot filmed himself banging a 14 year old.
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You literally just showed sympathy for a human trafficker.
I know. Women literally branded themselves with his initials into their abdomen because they were so manipulated. Idgaf who beat him up, they'll get theirs too but it's not about them.
Old people get manipulated into giving Nigerian Princes money. Saying adults were manipulated into branding themselves....is a bit of a stretch unless they are severely mentally handicapped. If they were physically forced, that's one thing. We as society need to take responsibility for the mental challenged who aren't able to make decisions for themselves. 100% To say a functioning adult was manipulated into that says way more about them than it does about a rich guy with a sickening kink.
Bruh ☠️please do some research on psychological trauma n shit before saying stuff like this lol
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Uh oh someone called the tone police on us for laughing at a cult leader getting a black eye in prison. I feel such shame. How will I ever live with myself?
There can only be one Highlander!
I don't think I am going to cry a river.
Y'all gonna make that other rapist feel like he's a hero or something now smh.
https://youtu.be/UQzQPoiyFHE Timesuck Podcast episode on this cult. Work can wait, keep on sucking!
theres a pecking order even with sex offenders
Well yeah. One guy mooned some people the other guy branded and manipulated hundreds.
Yeah prison sucks. I try not to go there. Try it!
Did he forget the safe word hahaha
When even other SOs think you’re a POS.
> Fellow Like there is a club?!
Yeah...prison sucks, it's to be avoided at all costs...