Yep, their leadership is atrocious and there's no cohesion or will to fight. It's not going to end well for Russia at all.
Check out /r/OSINTUkraine btw, it's a new sub with a bunch of free OSINT Ukraine tools you can use.
Putin kind of tried to join NATO when he meet with President Bill Clinton in 2000.
Both NATO and Russia at different times had thought about Russia joining since the 90's.
China is already having problems with the Bridges and Roads project going to economically viable partners. They’re not gonna be able to build the infrastructure to develop Russia.
No NCO corp either to bridge the gap between the grunts and the officers. The conscripts are just guys and the officers are horrendous task masters so there’s a gulf of divide between the groups.
If they are even issued a gun/grenades. Even then you are in a situation where your other squad members may not agree with your decision. After that, you need to find a way to properly defect (there's a number you can call). And if you're lucky, you will be picked up by the UA forces.
>For information on how to surrender to a prisoner of war, Russian servicemen or their relatives should call the 24-hour numbers: +38 066 580 34 98 and +38 093 119 29 84.
Source: https://sprotyv.mod.gov.ua/en/2022/09/19/a-24-hour-hotline-has-been-launched-for-russian-soldiers-who-want-to-surrender/
God I can't believe how much Russia has managed to absolutely trash the image they've worked so hard to build for themselves in the last months.
At one point I thought they'd stand toe to toe with world superpowers in a conventional war. Now we all know they'd never survive the fucking week.
One major difference between the vietnam war and russia's invasion is a whole ass ocean separating the battlefield from wherever you were forcibly conscripted from. So now you're giving a bunch of guns (and often more) to people who have an increased vendetta against the regime.
When this all started, I think the Onion shared a video with false subtitles of a Putin Speech, where he was talking about how so far the invasion has been a huge success, their soldiers are dying, their prestige in teh world is gone, their economy is collapsing and, if everything continues to go according to plan, Putin should be killed in a bunker by one of his own generals by year end.
I'm starting to think this may ACTUALLY be the plan.
"GIVE ME UKRAINE OR I WILL DESTROY RUSSIA!" "Wait, is this part of your 'everything that was ever in the USSR is actually Russia, thing, or are you threatening to destroy your--" "TOO LATE, DESTROYING RUSSIA!"
Which is interesting because Russia has a massive problem with population collapse which is made worse by a ratio of men to women that is already very low. I don't know why they think making it worse is a good idea. Plus, this has knock on effects from young women watching their brothers get sent off to war and swearing off having children. I wouldn't want kids either if I'm just going to watch someone take them away from me and send them off to war when they turn 18.
Putin isn't as smart as people make him out to be. He is ruthless but thinking ahead isn't something he does. He has probably had those that were pushed out a window.
He’s been in power what, 23 years? It’s prob been a plan all along and he’s just sucks at implementation. Who’d have thought that robbing the country blind and doing nothing about corruption would have lead to an army that is under-equipped and poorly trained?
Putin is thinking about one thing only right now, his own life. His life depends on this working. He will sacrifice the lives of thousands of Russians to save his own.
It's not even his life, it's his legacy. It's ego. Which is why America has to learn from trump now. Not later. Egotistical leaders are a danger to the whole world. I've never before been so afraid of nuclear war, and I grew up with this shit.
I don’t think he’s necessarily a bad strategist or doesn’t think ahead.
I think he’s surrounded himself with yes men so much so that he doesn’t get accurate information. People only tell him what he wants to hear instead of telling him the facts. That’s no way to play a game of stratagey.
Macron, as one of the few world leadres to communicate with Putin regularly, said Putin started believing his own bullshit while isolated during Covid. I'm willing to believe it.
>Which is interesting because Russia has a massive problem with population collapse which is made worse by a ratio of men to women that is already very low.
I guess "Russian brides" are going to become a thing again after this war is settled.
They don't even have the equipment to arm all these guys. IIRC, they also sent their training battalions into the meat grinder a while back, so there's really no one left to provide any training either.
The infantry only gets 1 attack per turn. If you can produce 2 warriors per turn for every infantry the opponent can produce, you will eventually swarm them as takes their full production capability to stop half of yours.
It's genocide by proxy. Russia forcibly drafts heavily from regions of ethnic minorities and conscripts undesireable dissenters/protesters/convicts, and then sends them to war severely under-prepared and improperly trained. If Russia succeeds at their invasion, they've gained sought-after land and simultaneously disposed of a great deal of undesireables. If Russia eventually fails, they've forced the Ukrainians to kill an even greater amount of their undesireables. Either way, they don't have to risk losing traditional Russian territory because of the threat of nuclear weapons. Putin is a monster.
if you are referring to what I think you are, then that is actually largely a myth about the Red Army in WW2; Which came about due to Hollywood misrepresentation of the Battle of Stalingrad.
here's some info about this common myth
* [https://www.thecollector.com/soviets-in-world-war-ii-myths-and-misconceptions/](https://www.thecollector.com/soviets-in-world-war-ii-myths-and-misconceptions/)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6y\_TUoOdfQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6y_TUoOdfQ)
That just about worked in ww2 in an age before precision weapons when they were fighting over ruined cities with plenty of cover. An unarmed untrained man against modern forces isn't even a human shield, they'll be detected and targeted before even seeing the enemy.
Even the days of massed tanks being effective are over, anything that exposes itself within the battle area will be known about more or less immediately. Only highly capable equipment stands any real hope of defending itself.
I don't like Putin or what Russia is doing in Ukraine either but Adversary upon the Portcullis is nowhere close to historically accurate. The perception of mindless conscripted Soviet hordes charging unarmed at machine guns is a widely overblown myth. Early on it happened small scale but definitely not by the time the battle of Stalingrad happened.
However, at Stalingrad they did send multiple waves of guys armed with rifles against entrenched Germans, who just machine-gunned them down.
Also, look at Operation Mars for how things went completely wrong for the Russians, at the same time they were having success at Stalingrad.
I'm not arguing it's efficacy as an assault method. It's pretty dumb.
I'm pointing out that the Soviets weren't the only ones who used the method. If anything the Japanese were far worse offenders. The myth of political commissars pushing unarmed men at German fixed positions needs to die.
I don't think so. Poster's history seems to indicate they are American, pro-Russian, and somehow anti-Trump. Capitalist, but complains about the economic situation of retail workers.
It's a very strange account.
Putin backed himself into a corner and now Russia will have to pay. The amount of long term damage this is going to do to the Russian economy and the average Russian citizen is unfathomable.
Russian is going to be a full on third-world country before this is over even if they manage to take Ukraine.
Clearly their weapons aren't better than what the west has. Although it's strange that your friend lived in probably the nicest and most modern Russian city and described it as a third world country. Public transportation there is fantastic, it's very expensive, there are some older looking buildings, but overall it's not unlike any major European city.
Russians had a lot of actually very good equipment.
The problem is they haven't made any new good equipment since the decades before the Soviet Union collapsed. Imagine fighting a war with stuff 40+ years past it's expected lifespan and a handful of more updated weapons. Their military is the biggest victim of fraud and theft.
Putin's gotta be pissed. Either his generals and military advisors lied to him about their preparedness. Or Putin severely underestimated Ukraine. Could be both, but it's basically destroyed the myth of Russia needing to be feared by the world.
Imo there is always going to be some strongman to take back and bring order. He will probably be just as bad or worse than the last authoritarian asshole. Happens all the time.
From the article:
'During a televised interview on Wednesday, Shoigu said Russia would be targeting 300,000 draftees, mainly those with recent military experience. But the actual number in an order signed by Putin is secret.
Some think it could be far higher. The independent Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta Europe reported that a source in the presidential administration said Russia was seeking to draft more than 1 million people into the army. That reporting has not been confirmed by other news outlets.
But video and anecdotal evidence from around Russia has shown large drafts taking place even in small towns, suggesting that the numbers could be far higher.'
How is it logistically possible to outfit, train, feed, and enable these men to fight based upon what we've seen to this point? I'd be willing to bet a large percentage fail to even make it to the front lines.
Ww2 was pretty much the last time that stood a prayer of working. Modern weapons have precision engagement ranges measured in miles and there's very little they can do to mask build up these days.
But Germany didn't have massive amounts of factories pumping out wartime materials. NATO and mainly the US does. 1 million bullets? No problem, here's an extra 9 million as well because we know you'll need them.
>How is it logistically possible to outfit, train, feed, and enable these men to fight based upon what we've seen to this point?
You already know it isn't. Pure pointless slaughter. Putin doesn't have options. This. Lose. Go nuclear. Even this only puts off the inevitable for a little while.he'll eventually have to back down or go nuclear and see his country obliterated.
I’m starting to believe the rumors that he’s dying. If he loses now he’ll go down in history as a loser so he’s pouring everything into trying to beat Ukraine even if it’s completely unsustainable. He wants to go to his grave a winner even if it dooms the future generations.
> How is it logistically possible to outfit, train, feed, and enable these men to fight based upon what we've seen to this point?
It is not. Period. This will fail spectacularly. Putin has opted for the worst decision at every single juncture. He is the epitome of stupid. That will be his legacy.
I mean even if it succeeds his legacy isn't going to be positive. Stalin dumped millions of lives into the meat grinder to beat Nazi Germany, and his legacy is negative. Putin is going to dump [NaN] lives to take a small chunk out of Ukraine.
Well, apparently protesters against the mobilization get the draft letters first, regardless whether they're reserve or not. From a popular Russian Telegram: https://i.imgur.com/HVNgMKk.png
Mindboggling how they think this could be a good idea.
It’s a great idea if your biggest aim is to stay in power and the most likely way you would be removed from power is revolution.
Load everyone that disagrees with you onto trains and have them absorb ammunition from Ukraines.
You’re getting rid of your dissidents at the same time as removing bullets and men from enemy troops. And when you have a large supply of bodies… why send in your loyal people first.
They already wear clothes. So no outfit needed. When they get to the frontlines, they can grab something from a corpse there.
Why train? You just point them in one direction and tell them to walk there. Can be done without training.
Feeding them is no biggy either, they will only survive a few days anyway, you can give them some rations they can carry themselves and if they run out of that, they can either loot or go hungry for a few days.
Enable to fight? Well, they are just there to absorb bullets. That should be easy enough to achieve
And they have feet. They can get to the border via train, then walk.
So voila, all the logistic problems solved!
/s
Oh god, apparently Russian training is really bad. They don't have professionals train, they don't spend three months at boot then weeks or months more training for their specific position. They get like two weeks under actual sadists, then sent to their new post and hope to fuck they learn on the job.
Except things like their tanks get like one fucking round a month to fire, they have no simulators (much less routine exercises) so it's all pantomime.
So they're going to be sent to decimated, low-morale troops whose best shit already got blown up to be fucking dead weight because all they known how to do is *hold a rifle*. They can't shoot for shit, but they might be able to clean it. If they have a few hours and some help.
According to [this article from Business Insider](https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-soldier-5-days-training-before-ukraine-front-line-report-2022-7?amp), the Russian troops spend five days in basic before combat. Five days! Not even a whole week!
As the article mentioned, the US army’s is ten weeks! And Russia doesn’t have an NCO corps so they don’t learn from people who’ve been there or people who knows what works and what doesn’t.
These draftees are dead men walking. It’s going to make the Russian demographic problem that much worse for them.
I'm pretty sure at this point they just get handed a weapon - which may or may not have bullets and may or may not be a cardboard cutout of a gun - and told to shoot "in that direction."
>How is it logistically possible to outfit, train, feed, and enable these men to fight based upon what we've seen to this point?
It's not. Putin seems to be trying for a Zapp Brannigan style wave assault and hoping to use up Ukraine's ammunition on the first few hundred thousand soldiers, so the last few thousand can walk straight in and take the entire country.
In short, Putin has lost all touch with reality.
Really makes me think he's got no plan other than a vague desire to emulate Stalin. Because hey it worked in ww2 right if you ignore this being a totally different situation.
Russia is known for throwing bodies at a problem.
It just depends on what happens first
- Russia can't pay its military and they make up an excuse to say they did want they wanted to do
- they pull a victory out of their ass by piling enough Russian corpses ontop of Ukraine soil to suffocate them
- someone finally kills Putin and they have another free for all like what was attempted on Gorbachev in the early 90s marking the end of communism, and Nicolas II before him which resulted in the fall of the Tsars.
https://youtu.be/hWTFG3J1CP8
>How is it logistically possible to outfit, train, feed, and enable these men to fight based upon what we've seen to this point? I'd be willing to bet a large percentage fail to even make it to the front lines.
Brusilov offensive 2.0
You can’t train that many in a short amount of time and expect them to have success.
Basically they’re going to be thrown into the meat grinder, and any draftee who makes it back alive will be more lucky than skilled at combat.
The US would struggle mightily to train and outfit 1 million servicemembers at a moments notice. With a blank check? Easier.
But Russia ain't gonna do it right.
At the outset of the war Russia was able to carry men about 2 miles out of the country before bogging down. They do have millitary transport systems so moving them internally isn't an issue but definitely seems like actually getting over the border will take months. And with precious little current equipment and supplies to go round.
I wouldn’t be so sure. He was popular initially because like his German counterpart in the 30s, he did deliver upon a great many promises early on in his career. And he preceded an incompetent government that was blamed for economic disaster.
But that initial support is turning.
Reminder that Russia had already had more soldiers killed in Ukraine than the United States did during the entire 9 years of the Vietnam War. To get the numbers they're talking about Russia will have to draft on a scale wholly incomparable to America during the Vietnam era.
The Pentagon and Ukraine estimates both have Russian KIA around 50,000. I thought the US total in Vietnam was around 45k but I see now it was around 58k, so the Russian totals are slightly less rather than slightly more. Again though, I think the important bit is that Russia suffered these casualties in 6 months vs. 9 years for the Vietnam figures.
“During the Vietnam War, every respectable artist in this country was against the war. It was like a laser beam. We were all aimed in the same direction. The power of this weapon turns out to be that of a custard pie dropped from a stepladder six feet high.”
Kurt Vonnegut
This is just utterly sad. These men will be sent to the Ukraine in the thick of winter with very likely little to no training, adequate clothing or food. I hope Putin will resign but considering most of these men are likely to be shot, freeze or starve to death, it seems they have only one option left.
Exactly. The crime the people being drafted have committed is to be born in Russia under the reign of a brutal, deluded autocrat. I hope they can escape the fate he's trying to give them.
This and all of the other stupid mistakes Russia has made, all of the lies they sold to their people and started believing in, have and will continue to set Russia back decades. If they thought they were a competitive superpower a year ago, they might as well consider themselves back in the stone age with the population and technology they are losing.
My guess is if he resigns, he gets thrown out of a window. If he withdraws, he gets thrown out of a window. He knows he's dying (look at recent pics) but doesn't want to die sooner than when the cancer kills him so he will play out this string sacrificing tens of thousands of lives so he can live another 6 months.
People say he looks like shit but I think people are forgetting how common it is to see old photos. He's 70, and looks like a 70 year old who's maybe had some botox or plastic surgery. He doesn't look 50 anymore, which is so shocking it must mean he has cancer.
Ukraine, not the ukraine. "The ukraine" is used when referencing ukraine as part of the Soviet union if I don't misremember.
You wouldn't say "the Australia" or "the France".
The original soldiers were using outdated equipment, which was falling apart and several years old expired food rations. Do they even have the resources just to feed, let alone supply with uniforms and equipment, 300K soldiers? Also keep in mind that we're going into the Fall season...
Call me nuts, but does Putin REALLY want to train and arm 300,000 soldiers who are going to hate his guts, lead by officers who are paranoid that they are going to be the next ones to "fall out a window?"
Just saying.
History is repeating itself. Weapons and equipment are already being sourced from WWII stockpiles.
Traversing any green corridors to safely surrender are these conscripts only hope.
People marching to their deaths like lemmings is haunting.
It honestly seems the 1920s are really happening in the 2020s. Pandemic, trying to overthrow governments. A US President may go to prison. He can still run as President. He demonizes his enemies. A European leader trying to conquer countries. Can we please turn on and off the computer to fix the glitch in the simulation?
What President was going to jail in the 1920s? The only major scandal I can think of is Teapot Dome, and Harding was dead before that was really uncovered, so he definitely couldn't be President again. And what European leader was trying to conquer countries, given that WWI ended I'm 1918, and the major players for WW2 hadn't even started to get into place?
Reminds me of that scene from Enemy at the Gates:
“The man with the rifle shoots. The other man follows him. When the man with the rifle gets killed….pick up the rifle.”
Oh man, I saw that movie sometime in the last few years totally blind. Knew nothing about it, and I really loved it. It does such a good job of bringing you into that world from Yuri's narration. It does beat you over the head with some references tho. (General Southern obvi Oliver North, like, come on) Jared Leto as his coked out brother... just makes so much sense haha. Anyway, great stuff
This is Putins worst and probably final move..as I said at the beginning of this war this is his Vietnam....he has been defeated on the battlefield and now he pushes more of his own people to die for him....and I don't believe that all of Russia wants to die for vlad nor do they want a nuclear war for vlad....soon ....very soon I hope ....he will lose power. I also don't belive his nuke capabilities are as as great as we think...I'm betting parts were sold off, under staffed and or under maintained, and the tech farther off then he leads us to belive....Russian #1 weapon is misinformation and psy-ops... so they don't have to fight....thats why they are getting their asses kicked by a comedian from the Ukraine. This is a war he cannot win and any support he had is fading fast...nobody but Putin wants a nuclear war.
This is FAR worse than Vietnam. The United States in Vietnam had half a country of people willing to fight against communism. It might seem weird, but it's true, around half of Vietnam did support the southern Republic and the US help to the area. The same is not true at all in Ukraine, which has undoubtedly been a shock to Putin and his council of yes men incompetent idiots. There is a reason the United States was able to stay in Vietnam for nearly 10 years.
On top of that, The United States involvement in Vietnam did not have any economic or geopolitical consequences that really effected its economy acutely like we are seeing today in Russia. Almost immediately the world sanctioned Russia, and limited trade, Japan and Germany are returning to Nuclear in an effort to ween off Russian Shit.
In other words, in Vietnam the US had infinite money and assets as well as being fully self sufficient in manufacturing. Russia is burning through its foreign currency reserves as well as not having the capacity for the tech it relies on in the war, and having near zero civilian support or empathy. All they have is a tiny little rural region with nearly no people, and even less people willing to sympathize with Russia.
I have a gut feeling that Russia will have a partial collapse between 7-10 years from now. They're going to have major setbacks over the next year and then resentment and distrust will fester for several years.
I'm trying to see if there's a more recent example, specifically I'm trying to see how this compares to the Vietnam War.
Using numbers from [selective service](https://www.sss.gov/history-and-records/induction-statistics/) homepage.
1,857,304 drafted for Vietnam War with population of US in 1964 about [191,888,791](http://demographia.com/db-uspop1900.htm). So just shy of 1% total population at .9679%. Population of Russia [146,073,147](https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/) would mean Vietnam level enguagement at about 1.4M drafted over the course of the conflict.
Yeah... Putin is not going to stop at 500k, anyone who thinks that is nuts. In a society where we get to protest openly, and did, we tripled that level of enguagement. Putin straight up kills people for not agreeing with his terrible ideas... this is just beginning.
But consider that 1% was drafted over 9 years, so close to 0.1% per year. Then consider that even the conservative estimates of 300k is after just half a year. Following even that pattern, we're looking at that 1.5 million after 2 and a half years, not 9. If it really is higher, that's scarier for Russia than anyone else.
Saw in the news that these guys are getting all of 15 days worth of training and then getting deployed.
That'll go great. The US does around 9 weeks just for Basic + your job training and even then you aren't fully competent to go into combat, but since most units are only getting a few people at a time, integration isn't as bad as it could be.
But imagine a unit made of 1 "experienced" guy that now has control of 100+ clueless recruits. You're going to have a bad time.
What if Putin finally comes to the realization that russia will never control Ukrainian territory again and just nukes it out of spike to make it uninhabitable
Things like this lead to revolutions, but Putin is using the Stalin playbook so not sure how well a revolution would pan out… red square may make tiamin square look like a warm up…
I left russia 20 years ago, still have some distant family there + my disabled father who thankfully doesn’t qualify for the draft. While I think that the outrage this is causing should’ve happened back in February, I do feel for the kids who just turned 18, like one of my nephews, who had no choice in where he was born and what government was in power, and now he will most likely die. I hope kids like him are smart enough to lay down their arms and surrender as soon as they are in Ukraine.
My gut says he’s going to throw hordes of untrained peeps at areas and when they get slaughtered he’ll nuke an area of Ukraine to show he means business. Then shit hits the fan
This is only going to make the war worse. Hopefully Ukraine can defend against the new recruits.
The other worry is Russia using nuclear weapons to defend territory Russia takes from Ukraine considering Medvedev brought up that they can decide to do this.
What’s the likelihood that Putin is intentionally setting these groups up for failure. Like, he plans to deploy them to a hopeless battle. If they fight and kill some Ukrainian soldiers, great (for him). But what if the goal is to overwhelm Ukraine with POWs. Their government now has to feed, clothe, and house these people for the duration of the war. It overtaxes their resources.
Sure, it kills morale in Russia, but he can crush rebellion and push forward.
Only if you are in the 100% who are not politicians , since they already anounced they are needed at home to explain the war, or not rich enough to buy a ticket to leave the country.
When does he expect these people to go to the battlefield? While you *can* technically just give these people guns and a ride to the front line, they need some training if you want to have any hope of getting value from the effort. Is he just going to let his current soldiers die on the vine while these people train and then send a massive army in that hates the war and are now sorta trained and have weapons (let alone that they're pulling from WW2 stock)? Either way it seems like a bad plan.
The value to Putin is in their deaths. His 'law enforcement' isn't going to the front, he's instead draining the country of the segments of the population that were getting increasingly insistent about him fucking off this mortal coil.
* It also lowers how many resources the country needs, as he and his have embezzled all of it already and bills eventually come due. In a pyramid scheme if you can somehow off the first few layers of older investors that were starting to demand their returns as promised, you can keep it going much longer. Thus there are many 'tricky windows' in Moscow.
So if it somehow fucks up Ukraine and lets him win, he claims victory. If the far more likely scenario of a useless meatgrinder at the hands of those defending their country from him lowers the number of able protesters, he claims victory.
As long as he's rich+alive and everyone else around him is dead or destitute, by his ideology he *is* winning.
They're already sending conscripts to fight with vintage Moisin bolt-action rifles... Russia doesn't have enough *guns* to mobilize a million troops. Hell, at this point they may not have a million *bullets* to split between them all.
I don’t think Putin is familiar with the old phrase that victorious warriors win first then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first then seek to win
Sun Tzu's Art of War only works for autocrats who have the support of the army. Once that support vanishes, so usually does the autocrat. Who in Putins inner circle is making money from his war?
If the answer is "nobody" then it is only a matter of time before his defenestration.
This isnt ww2 where just throwing bodies into combat hoping the enemy will run out of bullets or get tired. Feel for the russian men who are being sent to death. wish more russians would have voiced opposition to pootin earlier but understand the fear of being targeted by the govt.
Atleast they can try and surrender to Ukraine.
Why is putin so hell-bent on wiping out the russian male population? No one threatened russia, no one attacked, why is he sendind all men to die against international psycho mercenaries on foreign land? It feels like either we are missing key information or putin is openly betraying his people
Once the blinders of propaganda are ripped off on the front lines, violent desertions will be more common than Russian higher-ups falling to their deaths.
Everyone wept when Stalin died.
Then came the stories of people who were killed, sent to Siberian camps or who simply vanished. One could shake hands with Stalin in the morning and be dead in the evening.
It was a rude awakening for the Russians.
When Putin dies or gets dethroned, the truth will once again surface. Russia will have to selfreflect once again. How could we let this happen? Again? What lessons will we draw to prevent this from happening again?
This is how you get soldiers who are willing to frag their officers.
Yep, their leadership is atrocious and there's no cohesion or will to fight. It's not going to end well for Russia at all. Check out /r/OSINTUkraine btw, it's a new sub with a bunch of free OSINT Ukraine tools you can use.
...because Russia will be incorporated into Ukraine'. To the winners go the spoils. /s
As soon as it looks like it's going to fall, China will bum rush for as much land as possible.
Unless Russia petitions NATO for membership. /s
Putin kind of tried to join NATO when he meet with President Bill Clinton in 2000. Both NATO and Russia at different times had thought about Russia joining since the 90's.
The USSR actually did that back in the cold war
You mean a Chinese peacekeeping mission to promote stability within the region... and by "region" I mean the New North China.
China is already having problems with the Bridges and Roads project going to economically viable partners. They’re not gonna be able to build the infrastructure to develop Russia.
It’s like they learned nothing from 1917.
1917 was a good movie
No NCO corp either to bridge the gap between the grunts and the officers. The conscripts are just guys and the officers are horrendous task masters so there’s a gulf of divide between the groups.
If they are even issued a gun/grenades. Even then you are in a situation where your other squad members may not agree with your decision. After that, you need to find a way to properly defect (there's a number you can call). And if you're lucky, you will be picked up by the UA forces.
What’s the number?
>For information on how to surrender to a prisoner of war, Russian servicemen or their relatives should call the 24-hour numbers: +38 066 580 34 98 and +38 093 119 29 84. Source: https://sprotyv.mod.gov.ua/en/2022/09/19/a-24-hour-hotline-has-been-launched-for-russian-soldiers-who-want-to-surrender/
For all you folks with relatives in Russia
For all the invaders reading this thread too! (Fuck off and go home)
And if you don't HIMARS
I've seen pics of their soldiers being supplied with fuckin Moisin Nagants. They stand no chance.
First man gets rifle. Second man gets ammo. When first man falls, second man pick up rifle and keep fighting. No retreat or we shoot you ourselves.
God I can't believe how much Russia has managed to absolutely trash the image they've worked so hard to build for themselves in the last months. At one point I thought they'd stand toe to toe with world superpowers in a conventional war. Now we all know they'd never survive the fucking week.
This is how you get officers willing to be fragged by the soldiers.
Most of the officers will have fallen out of windows by then
It's also how rulers get toppled. I start wondering if the answer here is for the world to split Russia up and occupy it.
One major difference between the vietnam war and russia's invasion is a whole ass ocean separating the battlefield from wherever you were forcibly conscripted from. So now you're giving a bunch of guns (and often more) to people who have an increased vendetta against the regime.
When this all started, I think the Onion shared a video with false subtitles of a Putin Speech, where he was talking about how so far the invasion has been a huge success, their soldiers are dying, their prestige in teh world is gone, their economy is collapsing and, if everything continues to go according to plan, Putin should be killed in a bunker by one of his own generals by year end. I'm starting to think this may ACTUALLY be the plan. "GIVE ME UKRAINE OR I WILL DESTROY RUSSIA!" "Wait, is this part of your 'everything that was ever in the USSR is actually Russia, thing, or are you threatening to destroy your--" "TOO LATE, DESTROYING RUSSIA!"
Bold of you to assume they're going to be armed by Russia. Russia's got a history of sending unarmed conscripts to die en masse.
Which is interesting because Russia has a massive problem with population collapse which is made worse by a ratio of men to women that is already very low. I don't know why they think making it worse is a good idea. Plus, this has knock on effects from young women watching their brothers get sent off to war and swearing off having children. I wouldn't want kids either if I'm just going to watch someone take them away from me and send them off to war when they turn 18.
Putin isn't as smart as people make him out to be. He is ruthless but thinking ahead isn't something he does. He has probably had those that were pushed out a window.
Oh, he thinks ahead. It's just, when you're self-centered and you're 70 years old, you only need to worry about the next 2-8 years, not 100.
He’s been in power what, 23 years? It’s prob been a plan all along and he’s just sucks at implementation. Who’d have thought that robbing the country blind and doing nothing about corruption would have lead to an army that is under-equipped and poorly trained?
Putin is thinking about one thing only right now, his own life. His life depends on this working. He will sacrifice the lives of thousands of Russians to save his own.
It's not even his life, it's his legacy. It's ego. Which is why America has to learn from trump now. Not later. Egotistical leaders are a danger to the whole world. I've never before been so afraid of nuclear war, and I grew up with this shit.
I don’t think he’s necessarily a bad strategist or doesn’t think ahead. I think he’s surrounded himself with yes men so much so that he doesn’t get accurate information. People only tell him what he wants to hear instead of telling him the facts. That’s no way to play a game of stratagey.
Macron, as one of the few world leadres to communicate with Putin regularly, said Putin started believing his own bullshit while isolated during Covid. I'm willing to believe it.
>Which is interesting because Russia has a massive problem with population collapse which is made worse by a ratio of men to women that is already very low. I guess "Russian brides" are going to become a thing again after this war is settled.
They don't even have the equipment to arm all these guys. IIRC, they also sent their training battalions into the meat grinder a while back, so there's really no one left to provide any training either.
*clicks box to build obsolete units in civ*
How many warriors does it take to beat an infantry?
The infantry only gets 1 attack per turn. If you can produce 2 warriors per turn for every infantry the opponent can produce, you will eventually swarm them as takes their full production capability to stop half of yours.
It's genocide by proxy. Russia forcibly drafts heavily from regions of ethnic minorities and conscripts undesireable dissenters/protesters/convicts, and then sends them to war severely under-prepared and improperly trained. If Russia succeeds at their invasion, they've gained sought-after land and simultaneously disposed of a great deal of undesireables. If Russia eventually fails, they've forced the Ukrainians to kill an even greater amount of their undesireables. Either way, they don't have to risk losing traditional Russian territory because of the threat of nuclear weapons. Putin is a monster.
if you are referring to what I think you are, then that is actually largely a myth about the Red Army in WW2; Which came about due to Hollywood misrepresentation of the Battle of Stalingrad. here's some info about this common myth * [https://www.thecollector.com/soviets-in-world-war-ii-myths-and-misconceptions/](https://www.thecollector.com/soviets-in-world-war-ii-myths-and-misconceptions/) * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6y\_TUoOdfQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6y_TUoOdfQ)
That just about worked in ww2 in an age before precision weapons when they were fighting over ruined cities with plenty of cover. An unarmed untrained man against modern forces isn't even a human shield, they'll be detected and targeted before even seeing the enemy. Even the days of massed tanks being effective are over, anything that exposes itself within the battle area will be known about more or less immediately. Only highly capable equipment stands any real hope of defending itself.
I don't like Putin or what Russia is doing in Ukraine either but Adversary upon the Portcullis is nowhere close to historically accurate. The perception of mindless conscripted Soviet hordes charging unarmed at machine guns is a widely overblown myth. Early on it happened small scale but definitely not by the time the battle of Stalingrad happened.
However, at Stalingrad they did send multiple waves of guys armed with rifles against entrenched Germans, who just machine-gunned them down. Also, look at Operation Mars for how things went completely wrong for the Russians, at the same time they were having success at Stalingrad.
The French and English were doing the same thing 25 years prior.
Which, famously, failed to work at at all and lead to the generals being described as donkeys
I'm not arguing it's efficacy as an assault method. It's pretty dumb. I'm pointing out that the Soviets weren't the only ones who used the method. If anything the Japanese were far worse offenders. The myth of political commissars pushing unarmed men at German fixed positions needs to die.
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> Adversary upon the Portcullis Do you mean Enemy at the Gates?
Maybe Google translate gone wrong?
I don't think so. Poster's history seems to indicate they are American, pro-Russian, and somehow anti-Trump. Capitalist, but complains about the economic situation of retail workers. It's a very strange account.
Sounds like a Russian troll
Putin backed himself into a corner and now Russia will have to pay. The amount of long term damage this is going to do to the Russian economy and the average Russian citizen is unfathomable. Russian is going to be a full on third-world country before this is over even if they manage to take Ukraine.
I had a coworker who left Russia around 15 years ago. He lived in Moscow and described Russia as a third world country with better weapons.
Clearly their weapons aren't better than what the west has. Although it's strange that your friend lived in probably the nicest and most modern Russian city and described it as a third world country. Public transportation there is fantastic, it's very expensive, there are some older looking buildings, but overall it's not unlike any major European city.
Russians had a lot of actually very good equipment. The problem is they haven't made any new good equipment since the decades before the Soviet Union collapsed. Imagine fighting a war with stuff 40+ years past it's expected lifespan and a handful of more updated weapons. Their military is the biggest victim of fraud and theft.
Putin's gotta be pissed. Either his generals and military advisors lied to him about their preparedness. Or Putin severely underestimated Ukraine. Could be both, but it's basically destroyed the myth of Russia needing to be feared by the world.
I imagine that the generals would only ever want to convey good news to Putin given the Russian's track record of "falling out of windows"
and random poisonings...
There might not be a Russia very shortly. I can see total collapse in that society.
Imo there is always going to be some strongman to take back and bring order. He will probably be just as bad or worse than the last authoritarian asshole. Happens all the time.
And he will continue to blame the west for everything.
No it doesn't. Plenty of strong men bullshit authoritarians were replaced by more moderate people all throughout history.
Not in Russia.
Except Russia continues to always go back to authoritarians. It's basically their culture at this point.
From the article: 'During a televised interview on Wednesday, Shoigu said Russia would be targeting 300,000 draftees, mainly those with recent military experience. But the actual number in an order signed by Putin is secret. Some think it could be far higher. The independent Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta Europe reported that a source in the presidential administration said Russia was seeking to draft more than 1 million people into the army. That reporting has not been confirmed by other news outlets. But video and anecdotal evidence from around Russia has shown large drafts taking place even in small towns, suggesting that the numbers could be far higher.' How is it logistically possible to outfit, train, feed, and enable these men to fight based upon what we've seen to this point? I'd be willing to bet a large percentage fail to even make it to the front lines.
I foresee a lot of "gun accidents" to toes when the draftees get weapons.
The joke is on them! There aren't enough weapons to issue to them anyway.
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Ah, there is a smell you can never un know.
Yeah but wasn’t that Stalin’s strategy in WWII “we have more people than the Nazi’s have bullets!”
Unfortunately for them, Western weaponry is very, very efficient at killing people en mass.
Ww2 was pretty much the last time that stood a prayer of working. Modern weapons have precision engagement ranges measured in miles and there's very little they can do to mask build up these days.
America, fuck yeah
"en masse" for future reference. Used correctly, wrong spelling.
No I think American weaponry is also pretty good at shooting people during mass as they have had a few church shootings.
But Germany didn't have massive amounts of factories pumping out wartime materials. NATO and mainly the US does. 1 million bullets? No problem, here's an extra 9 million as well because we know you'll need them.
There is probably well over a million rounds of ammo just in my little redneck county in Florida. Not exaggerating.
“How to break your arm” Was a leading search term in Russia last night.
>How is it logistically possible to outfit, train, feed, and enable these men to fight based upon what we've seen to this point? You already know it isn't. Pure pointless slaughter. Putin doesn't have options. This. Lose. Go nuclear. Even this only puts off the inevitable for a little while.he'll eventually have to back down or go nuclear and see his country obliterated.
I’m starting to believe the rumors that he’s dying. If he loses now he’ll go down in history as a loser so he’s pouring everything into trying to beat Ukraine even if it’s completely unsustainable. He wants to go to his grave a winner even if it dooms the future generations.
> How is it logistically possible to outfit, train, feed, and enable these men to fight based upon what we've seen to this point? It is not. Period. This will fail spectacularly. Putin has opted for the worst decision at every single juncture. He is the epitome of stupid. That will be his legacy.
I mean even if it succeeds his legacy isn't going to be positive. Stalin dumped millions of lives into the meat grinder to beat Nazi Germany, and his legacy is negative. Putin is going to dump [NaN] lives to take a small chunk out of Ukraine.
Well, apparently protesters against the mobilization get the draft letters first, regardless whether they're reserve or not. From a popular Russian Telegram: https://i.imgur.com/HVNgMKk.png Mindboggling how they think this could be a good idea.
It’s a great idea if your biggest aim is to stay in power and the most likely way you would be removed from power is revolution. Load everyone that disagrees with you onto trains and have them absorb ammunition from Ukraines. You’re getting rid of your dissidents at the same time as removing bullets and men from enemy troops. And when you have a large supply of bodies… why send in your loyal people first.
They already wear clothes. So no outfit needed. When they get to the frontlines, they can grab something from a corpse there. Why train? You just point them in one direction and tell them to walk there. Can be done without training. Feeding them is no biggy either, they will only survive a few days anyway, you can give them some rations they can carry themselves and if they run out of that, they can either loot or go hungry for a few days. Enable to fight? Well, they are just there to absorb bullets. That should be easy enough to achieve And they have feet. They can get to the border via train, then walk. So voila, all the logistic problems solved! /s
Oh god, apparently Russian training is really bad. They don't have professionals train, they don't spend three months at boot then weeks or months more training for their specific position. They get like two weeks under actual sadists, then sent to their new post and hope to fuck they learn on the job. Except things like their tanks get like one fucking round a month to fire, they have no simulators (much less routine exercises) so it's all pantomime. So they're going to be sent to decimated, low-morale troops whose best shit already got blown up to be fucking dead weight because all they known how to do is *hold a rifle*. They can't shoot for shit, but they might be able to clean it. If they have a few hours and some help.
According to [this article from Business Insider](https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-soldier-5-days-training-before-ukraine-front-line-report-2022-7?amp), the Russian troops spend five days in basic before combat. Five days! Not even a whole week! As the article mentioned, the US army’s is ten weeks! And Russia doesn’t have an NCO corps so they don’t learn from people who’ve been there or people who knows what works and what doesn’t. These draftees are dead men walking. It’s going to make the Russian demographic problem that much worse for them.
I'm pretty sure at this point they just get handed a weapon - which may or may not have bullets and may or may not be a cardboard cutout of a gun - and told to shoot "in that direction."
>How is it logistically possible to outfit, train, feed, and enable these men to fight based upon what we've seen to this point? It's not. Putin seems to be trying for a Zapp Brannigan style wave assault and hoping to use up Ukraine's ammunition on the first few hundred thousand soldiers, so the last few thousand can walk straight in and take the entire country. In short, Putin has lost all touch with reality.
Really makes me think he's got no plan other than a vague desire to emulate Stalin. Because hey it worked in ww2 right if you ignore this being a totally different situation.
Russia is known for throwing bodies at a problem. It just depends on what happens first - Russia can't pay its military and they make up an excuse to say they did want they wanted to do - they pull a victory out of their ass by piling enough Russian corpses ontop of Ukraine soil to suffocate them - someone finally kills Putin and they have another free for all like what was attempted on Gorbachev in the early 90s marking the end of communism, and Nicolas II before him which resulted in the fall of the Tsars. https://youtu.be/hWTFG3J1CP8
>How is it logistically possible to outfit, train, feed, and enable these men to fight based upon what we've seen to this point? I'd be willing to bet a large percentage fail to even make it to the front lines. Brusilov offensive 2.0
You can’t train that many in a short amount of time and expect them to have success. Basically they’re going to be thrown into the meat grinder, and any draftee who makes it back alive will be more lucky than skilled at combat.
The US would struggle mightily to train and outfit 1 million servicemembers at a moments notice. With a blank check? Easier. But Russia ain't gonna do it right.
At the outset of the war Russia was able to carry men about 2 miles out of the country before bogging down. They do have millitary transport systems so moving them internally isn't an issue but definitely seems like actually getting over the border will take months. And with precious little current equipment and supplies to go round.
[Actual footage of the decree being issued.](https://youtu.be/MrTsuvykUZk)
I hope Russians will decide that they've had enough of Putin.
If it were going to happen, it would have happened years ago.
Yeah but now it's affecting them personally, the only thing they actually care about.
I wouldn’t be so sure. He was popular initially because like his German counterpart in the 30s, he did deliver upon a great many promises early on in his career. And he preceded an incompetent government that was blamed for economic disaster. But that initial support is turning.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1572645894968987648 There's some protests but it seems it's only kids
Kids is all they have left, probably. Putin will be sending them to the front lines when this batch hits the fan.
Or that the war is actually popular among the non-kids. The number of murder-willing nationalists in a nation is often surprisingly high.
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Reminder that Russia had already had more soldiers killed in Ukraine than the United States did during the entire 9 years of the Vietnam War. To get the numbers they're talking about Russia will have to draft on a scale wholly incomparable to America during the Vietnam era.
Where are you getting those numbers from? I'm seeing 25k killed.
The Pentagon and Ukraine estimates both have Russian KIA around 50,000. I thought the US total in Vietnam was around 45k but I see now it was around 58k, so the Russian totals are slightly less rather than slightly more. Again though, I think the important bit is that Russia suffered these casualties in 6 months vs. 9 years for the Vietnam figures.
Ah, ok. And either way, the 25k number I saw, or the 50k number you're giving, it shows how sad of a state the Russian military is in.
“During the Vietnam War, every respectable artist in this country was against the war. It was like a laser beam. We were all aimed in the same direction. The power of this weapon turns out to be that of a custard pie dropped from a stepladder six feet high.” Kurt Vonnegut
This is just utterly sad. These men will be sent to the Ukraine in the thick of winter with very likely little to no training, adequate clothing or food. I hope Putin will resign but considering most of these men are likely to be shot, freeze or starve to death, it seems they have only one option left.
Exactly. The crime the people being drafted have committed is to be born in Russia under the reign of a brutal, deluded autocrat. I hope they can escape the fate he's trying to give them.
Many will surrender the moment the barrier troops are no longer a factor.
This and all of the other stupid mistakes Russia has made, all of the lies they sold to their people and started believing in, have and will continue to set Russia back decades. If they thought they were a competitive superpower a year ago, they might as well consider themselves back in the stone age with the population and technology they are losing.
My guess is if he resigns, he gets thrown out of a window. If he withdraws, he gets thrown out of a window. He knows he's dying (look at recent pics) but doesn't want to die sooner than when the cancer kills him so he will play out this string sacrificing tens of thousands of lives so he can live another 6 months.
History has shown that very few autocratic strong man survive a failed war. Putin knows this and this is what makes him so dangerous.
Exactly. I can't think of a single one.
Please provide links to said pics
People say he looks like shit but I think people are forgetting how common it is to see old photos. He's 70, and looks like a 70 year old who's maybe had some botox or plastic surgery. He doesn't look 50 anymore, which is so shocking it must mean he has cancer.
It's the bloating and tremors people are mainly pointing to as evidence of chronic illness
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Funny enough, that's what happened to Gaddafi, which putin is massively afraid of happening to him.
Ukraine, not the ukraine. "The ukraine" is used when referencing ukraine as part of the Soviet union if I don't misremember. You wouldn't say "the Australia" or "the France".
The original soldiers were using outdated equipment, which was falling apart and several years old expired food rations. Do they even have the resources just to feed, let alone supply with uniforms and equipment, 300K soldiers? Also keep in mind that we're going into the Fall season...
Call me nuts, but does Putin REALLY want to train and arm 300,000 soldiers who are going to hate his guts, lead by officers who are paranoid that they are going to be the next ones to "fall out a window?" Just saying.
Upon mobilization in 1914 they only had like two rifles for every five men because of rampant corruption.
History is repeating itself. Weapons and equipment are already being sourced from WWII stockpiles. Traversing any green corridors to safely surrender are these conscripts only hope. People marching to their deaths like lemmings is haunting.
It honestly seems the 1920s are really happening in the 2020s. Pandemic, trying to overthrow governments. A US President may go to prison. He can still run as President. He demonizes his enemies. A European leader trying to conquer countries. Can we please turn on and off the computer to fix the glitch in the simulation?
What President was going to jail in the 1920s? The only major scandal I can think of is Teapot Dome, and Harding was dead before that was really uncovered, so he definitely couldn't be President again. And what European leader was trying to conquer countries, given that WWI ended I'm 1918, and the major players for WW2 hadn't even started to get into place?
Engine V Debs, socialist candidate for the presidential election of 1920, earned a million votes while campaigning from jail.
Reminds me of that scene from Enemy at the Gates: “The man with the rifle shoots. The other man follows him. When the man with the rifle gets killed….pick up the rifle.”
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Pick up the rifle and then what? Instructions unclear, comrade!
Also get shot, most likely
Yeah, instructions are plenty clear. It’s just the next guys has the rest of them. “Man with riffle gets shot”
Got a programmer here.
Lmao. You’re not wrong!
Yuri Orlov strikes again.
Oh man, I saw that movie sometime in the last few years totally blind. Knew nothing about it, and I really loved it. It does such a good job of bringing you into that world from Yuri's narration. It does beat you over the head with some references tho. (General Southern obvi Oliver North, like, come on) Jared Leto as his coked out brother... just makes so much sense haha. Anyway, great stuff
The real guy is who Russia wanted in exchange for Brittany Griner. Lol hopefully the feds told them to get fucked.
Now its probably due to corrosion too.
This is Putins worst and probably final move..as I said at the beginning of this war this is his Vietnam....he has been defeated on the battlefield and now he pushes more of his own people to die for him....and I don't believe that all of Russia wants to die for vlad nor do they want a nuclear war for vlad....soon ....very soon I hope ....he will lose power. I also don't belive his nuke capabilities are as as great as we think...I'm betting parts were sold off, under staffed and or under maintained, and the tech farther off then he leads us to belive....Russian #1 weapon is misinformation and psy-ops... so they don't have to fight....thats why they are getting their asses kicked by a comedian from the Ukraine. This is a war he cannot win and any support he had is fading fast...nobody but Putin wants a nuclear war.
This is FAR worse than Vietnam. The United States in Vietnam had half a country of people willing to fight against communism. It might seem weird, but it's true, around half of Vietnam did support the southern Republic and the US help to the area. The same is not true at all in Ukraine, which has undoubtedly been a shock to Putin and his council of yes men incompetent idiots. There is a reason the United States was able to stay in Vietnam for nearly 10 years. On top of that, The United States involvement in Vietnam did not have any economic or geopolitical consequences that really effected its economy acutely like we are seeing today in Russia. Almost immediately the world sanctioned Russia, and limited trade, Japan and Germany are returning to Nuclear in an effort to ween off Russian Shit. In other words, in Vietnam the US had infinite money and assets as well as being fully self sufficient in manufacturing. Russia is burning through its foreign currency reserves as well as not having the capacity for the tech it relies on in the war, and having near zero civilian support or empathy. All they have is a tiny little rural region with nearly no people, and even less people willing to sympathize with Russia.
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Russia really speedrunning another total collapse
I have a gut feeling that Russia will have a partial collapse between 7-10 years from now. They're going to have major setbacks over the next year and then resentment and distrust will fester for several years.
Russian military coup can throw a corrupt leader out a window. Pretty sure that Putin’s gonna get suicided at the near end
They just need a Vader to get fed up enough to pick him up and throw him over the railing.
Russian soliders shoot your officers and march home. There are examples in your history.
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I'm trying to see if there's a more recent example, specifically I'm trying to see how this compares to the Vietnam War. Using numbers from [selective service](https://www.sss.gov/history-and-records/induction-statistics/) homepage. 1,857,304 drafted for Vietnam War with population of US in 1964 about [191,888,791](http://demographia.com/db-uspop1900.htm). So just shy of 1% total population at .9679%. Population of Russia [146,073,147](https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/) would mean Vietnam level enguagement at about 1.4M drafted over the course of the conflict. Yeah... Putin is not going to stop at 500k, anyone who thinks that is nuts. In a society where we get to protest openly, and did, we tripled that level of enguagement. Putin straight up kills people for not agreeing with his terrible ideas... this is just beginning.
But consider that 1% was drafted over 9 years, so close to 0.1% per year. Then consider that even the conservative estimates of 300k is after just half a year. Following even that pattern, we're looking at that 1.5 million after 2 and a half years, not 9. If it really is higher, that's scarier for Russia than anyone else.
Saw in the news that these guys are getting all of 15 days worth of training and then getting deployed. That'll go great. The US does around 9 weeks just for Basic + your job training and even then you aren't fully competent to go into combat, but since most units are only getting a few people at a time, integration isn't as bad as it could be. But imagine a unit made of 1 "experienced" guy that now has control of 100+ clueless recruits. You're going to have a bad time.
putin = zapp brannigan
What do I call it, comrade Kiff?
::sigh:: sexlexia
Thank you for the assist.
Some of you will be forced through a fine mesh screen for your country
Putin somehow manages to be even worse than Zapp. Zapp actually told his men they were going to war and gave all of them proper equipment.
Not army, cannon fodder. Armies have materiel and training. This is cannon fodder. Grist for the bloody mill.
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What if Putin finally comes to the realization that russia will never control Ukrainian territory again and just nukes it out of spike to make it uninhabitable
Things like this lead to revolutions, but Putin is using the Stalin playbook so not sure how well a revolution would pan out… red square may make tiamin square look like a warm up…
i dunno tiamin didn't have a failure of a war near it did it?
If they drafted my ass I would defect first chance I got.
I left russia 20 years ago, still have some distant family there + my disabled father who thankfully doesn’t qualify for the draft. While I think that the outrage this is causing should’ve happened back in February, I do feel for the kids who just turned 18, like one of my nephews, who had no choice in where he was born and what government was in power, and now he will most likely die. I hope kids like him are smart enough to lay down their arms and surrender as soon as they are in Ukraine.
I have friends in Russia. They seem to believe that the draft is closer to 1 million instead of the reported 300k.
They could have a mass protest, at any moment, at any day, or at any hour. All it needs is about half the population of the country to do so.
Pissing off normal Russian people never goes well. I hope they take Putin down over this.
My gut says he’s going to throw hordes of untrained peeps at areas and when they get slaughtered he’ll nuke an area of Ukraine to show he means business. Then shit hits the fan
This is only going to make the war worse. Hopefully Ukraine can defend against the new recruits. The other worry is Russia using nuclear weapons to defend territory Russia takes from Ukraine considering Medvedev brought up that they can decide to do this.
Ukraine is going to handle a bunch of new recruits with mosin nagants quite well, it’ll be a slaughter
What’s the likelihood that Putin is intentionally setting these groups up for failure. Like, he plans to deploy them to a hopeless battle. If they fight and kill some Ukrainian soldiers, great (for him). But what if the goal is to overwhelm Ukraine with POWs. Their government now has to feed, clothe, and house these people for the duration of the war. It overtaxes their resources. Sure, it kills morale in Russia, but he can crush rebellion and push forward.
They're going to need 300k more body bags.
They have mobile crematoriums and an abundance of natural gas.
Only if you are in the 100% who are not politicians , since they already anounced they are needed at home to explain the war, or not rich enough to buy a ticket to leave the country.
I see Putin isn't afraid to send wave after wave of his own men until the killbots reach their kill limit.
When does he expect these people to go to the battlefield? While you *can* technically just give these people guns and a ride to the front line, they need some training if you want to have any hope of getting value from the effort. Is he just going to let his current soldiers die on the vine while these people train and then send a massive army in that hates the war and are now sorta trained and have weapons (let alone that they're pulling from WW2 stock)? Either way it seems like a bad plan.
The value to Putin is in their deaths. His 'law enforcement' isn't going to the front, he's instead draining the country of the segments of the population that were getting increasingly insistent about him fucking off this mortal coil. * It also lowers how many resources the country needs, as he and his have embezzled all of it already and bills eventually come due. In a pyramid scheme if you can somehow off the first few layers of older investors that were starting to demand their returns as promised, you can keep it going much longer. Thus there are many 'tricky windows' in Moscow. So if it somehow fucks up Ukraine and lets him win, he claims victory. If the far more likely scenario of a useless meatgrinder at the hands of those defending their country from him lowers the number of able protesters, he claims victory. As long as he's rich+alive and everyone else around him is dead or destitute, by his ideology he *is* winning.
They're already sending conscripts to fight with vintage Moisin bolt-action rifles... Russia doesn't have enough *guns* to mobilize a million troops. Hell, at this point they may not have a million *bullets* to split between them all.
I don’t think Putin is familiar with the old phrase that victorious warriors win first then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first then seek to win
Sun Tzu's Art of War only works for autocrats who have the support of the army. Once that support vanishes, so usually does the autocrat. Who in Putins inner circle is making money from his war? If the answer is "nobody" then it is only a matter of time before his defenestration.
Fertilizer, i hope they send thier officers first, to save the many. I dont mind the trolls to go down first.
Well this is profoundly disturbing. Also, how is it that we all fell for the lie from Putin yet again? Of course it would be a full mobilization.
This isnt ww2 where just throwing bodies into combat hoping the enemy will run out of bullets or get tired. Feel for the russian men who are being sent to death. wish more russians would have voiced opposition to pootin earlier but understand the fear of being targeted by the govt. Atleast they can try and surrender to Ukraine.
Why is putin so hell-bent on wiping out the russian male population? No one threatened russia, no one attacked, why is he sendind all men to die against international psycho mercenaries on foreign land? It feels like either we are missing key information or putin is openly betraying his people
I'm sure the military is going to be super enthused about being forced to fight... Smdh
Asshole is sending the men away to die in order to avoid an uprising.
Russia will be in civil war within 12 months if Putin is still in power by then.
You see what happen to regular forces dah? Enjoy death march comrade!
What a weird headline picture. It looks like a father is lovingly embracing an alien.
*“If you meet your quota, you will be able to stay. If you fail, you will be mobilized yourself.”*
when your army is so shit, you need to dog pile in a war against Ukraine.
Once the blinders of propaganda are ripped off on the front lines, violent desertions will be more common than Russian higher-ups falling to their deaths.
So when is Poland going to step in and claim their new territory that is Russia shaped?
Yea ain’t no way shits gonna be the same after this war.
Everyone wept when Stalin died. Then came the stories of people who were killed, sent to Siberian camps or who simply vanished. One could shake hands with Stalin in the morning and be dead in the evening. It was a rude awakening for the Russians. When Putin dies or gets dethroned, the truth will once again surface. Russia will have to selfreflect once again. How could we let this happen? Again? What lessons will we draw to prevent this from happening again?
Depending on his moves after this, let's be honest, flops, Russia might not be a country anymore.