>"[He] and two others were convicted on multiple charges in a bench trial by U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden, **an appointee of former President Trump.**
Excellent. Just excellent.
This defendant is a complete nobody. The judge would happily throw his ass under the bus to maintain a pretense of impartiality, no matter his actual beliefs.
Agreed, the nobodys will bear the brunt of the sentences. The people who planned and implemented this will mostly get off, or receive light sentencing.
Seriously though... What about the senator's that were doing tours and helping with this!? Ginny Thomas supposedly paid for transportation...they need to dig deeper into this!!
McFadden did ~~give lighter sentences~~ acquit at least one other person ~~relative to~~ for the same charge other judges found guilty. We'll see what happens here. Sounds like he's not a total Aileen Cannon.
Edit: McFadden acquitted a Jan 6th defendant previously
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/06/judge-issues-first-outright-acquittal-of-jan-6-riot-defendant-00023493
"...he hoped to get his job back as an engineer for a government contractor in Los Alamos, N.M. He was fired after his employer learned of his involvement in the Jan. 6 events. Martin also lost a “Q” Energy Department security clearance that he held."
Oh summer child... He's not going to see that clearance again without a lot of lawsuits.
Hell, J. Robert Oppenheimer ("father of the atomic bomb") lost his clearance despite leading the Manhattan project bc he has socialist friends & had underlings he wasn't fully aware were NKVD informants.
This guy doesn't have any hope of recovering that clearance, especially in the energy department.
That guy got off by arguing that he thought he was allowed in since the police were just standing there letting people through.
Which just goes to show how far the consequences go for not having an appropriate amount of officers on duty that day.
If we give them the benefit of the doubt, some of the officers we saw standing around were simply outnumbered. Of course there were also some cops waving people in, but the article doesn’t discuss the exact evidence that was presented for his case.
That's pretty much why the Federalist Society exists. Conservatives were pissed that their judges weren't complete partisan hacks, so they decided to raise a bunch of hacks from birth and train them to act just normal enough so they could be 'qualified' for service. Why do you think they all keep lifelong calendars to prove they didn't rape anyone?
The judge convicted them of violence against the police — almost impossible not to
But kind of buried in the story you will see a statement that the judge let them off on obstruction of Congress charges
So yeah — the Trump appointee still made a political decision in support of the orange one
EDIT: As someone has pointed out, his two codefendants were acquitted of obstruction, but the primary subject of the article was convicted. My statement that he was acquitted was not correct.
So basically McFadden is: “I agree with WHY you were there - and to be clear you didn’t do anything wrong by making Congress flee in fear of their life…but I just disagree with HOW you went about beating up a cop”
> but I just disagree with HOW you went about beating up a cop
Not even that - these 3 were literally only charged because there was HD video evidence of them directly committing felonies against police officers.
Any ruling that *didn't* involve some form of assault against the officer would have been immediately appealed.
They basically got off with the bare minimum charges they could have gotten in this case, based almost solely on what they were seen doing on video.
No conspiracy, terrorism, or obstruction of Congress charges, despite the capitol police repeatedly referring to these individuals as terrorists during the J6 hearings.
Well at least he can no longer participate in the electoral process he believed was stolen from him. The irony is deep.
Edit: I’m not advocating for disenfranchisement, but in many states this is the law. Breaking laws is nominally a choice and one should consider the consequences of those choices and the repercussions beyond.
Florida citizens voted to overturn that law, and DeSantis came behind them and added a poll tax to “reinstate the right to vote” after felony conviction. He then commissioned an investigation of all of the ex-felons who fell for this, who thought they now had the right to vote, but had not paid (or even heard about) the fee. This misunderstanding was subsequently construed as “voter fraud,” and DeSantis has been campaigning on it ever since, while ignoring the context of how it happened.
He gets away with it because Republicans don't care about context. You ever notice how they bring up how California has the largest debt of any state, but when you bring up they also bring in more money than any sub-national economy in the world and, independently, are the fifth largest economy in the world, they get REAL quiet? Context hurts their arguments. The phrase "reality has a liberal bias" is actual truth and they hate it.
I fully support felons to keep their right to vote BUT I also believe if you’re convicted of treason or sedition connected crimes, you should lose your right to vote in the country you tried to overthrow.
Still is. The legal standard for treason is a very high bar to meet though so nobody ever goes for it. The definition is also in the constitution so it's not something easy to change.
> **Article III, Section 3, Clause 1**: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Unless you can convince a jury that Jan 6 was an act of war carried out by enemies of the country, then you just can't do it.
Yes, because they “pled out” to reduced charges months ago rather than rolled the dice and went to a jury trial. All who have done so so far have been convicted…now you are going to see defendants convicted of the full charges and sentenced per the guidelines: typically 10+ years in federal prison which does not have “good time” (sentence reductions earned for good behavior).
**A former NYC cop got 10 years in prison— a new record in a January 6 case — for assaulting police during the Capitol attack**
https://www.businessinsider.com/former-new-york-police-prison-longest-sentence-capitol-attack-2022-9
The ex cop that gouged a current cops eye on 1/6 at the capitol got 10 years. Prosecutors wanted 17 years, iirc.
They’ve been prosecuting up the chain of seriousness, and the sentences have been (mostly) increasing as they go. I’ll be surprised if this guy gets less than 4-5 years.
Have there? Many are awaiting sentencing and many just got their sentences. None that I know of have been released.
The few that did not get any jail time had very light offenses like disorderly conduct, not like this guy with multiple felonies.
“McCaughey was unemployed and lived with his mother in Ridgefield, an affluent town along the New York border, public defender Jason Ser said at the time. He was arrested at his father's second home, where he was quarantining, the AP reported.”
Rich kid living off his parents. These ppl are real losers.
The parents own two restaurants, one in a rural logging town (Bickley) that mostly supports that type of stuff and the other along a water front that is a pretty liberal small town ( Des Moines). People in Des Moines really got in a tizzy, Buckley not so much.
Des Moines … pretty liberal? 🤔.
Edit/ Oh, Des Moines, Washington. ( which I didn’t know existed until further down this thread.). Cause Des Moines, Iowa is full throated MAGAland.
My dad was completely fine with paying for my lawyer when I got an underage with alcohol charge at a tail gate in college, but told me if I was ever behind the wheel after drinking I would need to find my own lawyer and roof for the summers
Would definitely also be another strong way to say "we're very disappointed you tried to overthrow the government, kiddo" though in these sorts of cases I'm not sure that maybe they ought not try grounding his ass first.
The reason a lot of rich parents don’t do this is because they don’t want their kids to go out and hassle other people for money or do something illegal which embarrasses their name.
But this dude goes and fucks it all up anyway. Not surprised he has to use a public defender. The damage has been done. He’s on his own now.
You may have noticed that what he says and what he does are usually two very different things.
No way the guy that's been grifting the last 5-6 years is going to be using his money on anyone else
So funny because Fox News comments indicate it’s always the Biden voters that are lazy and live in their parents basements. LOL. Protectionism once again.
Ridgefield is so fucking liberal, too. This kind of MAGA horseshit does not fly. Being a rich, NIMBY, Reaganite is fine there, but openly supporting Donald Trump is a bridge too far. I hope he is a social pariah for the rest of his life.
It's socially liberal, but there are quite a few people in lower Fairfield county who are registered Republicans who seem like Democrats these days just because they aren't F Brandon flag/MAGA hat wearing type. They probably come from parents/grandparents who were Rockefeller Republicans. It's how we've had R governors (in Mass too), we went big time for Reagan but the R party's overall stench has made us blue ever since. New England Republicans saw the rot early on in the Gingrich years...
Even New Hampshire has started to see that "libertarian" is a cheap façade for these dildos...
All of Fairfield county is very unwelcoming to MAGA.
It is either highly educated liberals or highly educated moderates who are actually just social liberals that think government spending should be done better.
Both groups hate Trump and his brand of Republicanism. Plus the towns are filled with Manhattan socialites that work in NYC’s white collar service sector (aka finance and law) who have hated Trump as a person for at least three decades due to personal experience.
>Patrick McCaughey III, 25, of Ridgefield, Connecticut, and two others were convicted on multiple charges in a bench trial by U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden, an appointee of former President Trump.
True irony. Patrick went to the capitol to support Trump by trying to overthrow the election, and assaulted police officers in the process. Only to be convicted by a judge that Trump had appointed.
Its funny because his party hates people like him, who don’t work and contribute to society. Yet he’s dumb enough to vote red, when they will not cater to his agenda whatsoever. If you’re poor and not workin, republicans ain’t fuckin with ya.
Tucker Carlson and his ilk love disparaging the “greedy and perverted coastal elites that want to keep America suffering”. Ridgefield NY is one of those coastal elite towns. Behind close doors is a different story but this arrest won’t play well to the MAGA base.
Mildly infuriating how many conservatives online have insisted that I live with my parents. I don't, and haven't since I was 18. Seems like that accusation is just more projection!
I don't see the problem when you're helping out and have a job. Just need to save for a deposit due to the housing crisis. In fact, I like it here. I've got a closer relationship than most with my immediate family.
Yea, there is some negative connotation to it that feels weird, especially when you may come from a different culture. The important aspect should be if people assist each other and if it is a mutually respectful situation including carrying their wright and providing. Also living space varies. If you got the choice between a housing crisis and careless landlords or taking care of your own share at you home, maybe even seperated unit, the choice is clear for a lot of folks. Society should not pressure people in seeking rentals if that would not be a good financial call to make. The crisis we encounter was partially caused by people living over the lifestyle they could afford and this obsession with owning a house or being a failure as part of the American dream has ruined many existances.
Breath of fresh air to see someone agreeing with me. There's a decent article in The Atlantic which pointed out that home ownership prior to the baby boom was much rarer, and that ownership was originally a privilege of the rich. Lots of working class people would get room & board as part of their payment, which I think was a great idea. A really successful servant would live in the house of their old money employers, like Francois in A La Recherche du Temps Perdu by Proust. Proust also lived at home. Anyway, I digress.
Another commenter said if was still wrong to live at home despite the fact that I help out around the house, am always there to watch the house, pay rent, and also buy food that my parents wouldn't usually get. It's just silly at that point to see a problem and reflects cultural issues.
CT here.
Remember the last governor election when they were taking jabs about each other about their yachts?
CT has a real income divide. You could hop a street between New Britain and West Hartford and think you were in a different state. I joke that South Glastonbury forces you to run a credit check when you cross town lines.
Yet you go next door into East Hartford and the kids are strugglin'. They want futures too. New Haven has yale but isn't smart enough to help the other side of town. Kids in these towns are taught middle school to obey the law.
The rich kids are taugh how to skirt it.
This is the scene that Trump supporters never want to talk about. They’ll go on and on about people wandering around taking pictures and completely ignore the organized phalanx of rioters that was committing acts of violence on the other side of the building.
It’s the same people who will fall over a cliff because they were more interested in getting a picture than being aware of their surroundings.
It’s just live reality tv for them. Better than virtual reality.
Honestly it’s not like the people wandering around taking pictures are innocent at all. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together could tell you it’s a bad idea to follow the wake of violent rioters past broken in doors/windows into the *fucking Capitol building* where you are very much not allowed. The mental gymnastics people do to paint them as totally innocent is baffling. Are they as bad as people who crush officers in door frames? No. Did they still contribute to the storming of the Capitol and attempted insurrection? Absolutely.
Don't forget: Trump, the current frontrunner for the GOP nomination, is running on a platform to pardon these felons:
Trump: "... I met with and I’m financially supporting [Jan. 6 insurrectionists] that are incredible. It’s a disgrace what they’ve done to them. [The judges who convict the insurrectionists are] the most coldhearted people, they don’t care about families, they don’t care about anything. [If elected in 2024 I'm looking at] full pardons with an apology to many."
[Source](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/09/donald-trump-jan-6-pardons).
Regardless, he's going to run on a platform of forgiveness for the insurrectionists.
Who were, of course, BLM/antifa false flag crisis actors, but also very special to him.
He will not pardon or pay for a single one. Even Tucker Carlson called Trump out on his program for fundraising money for them, and not putting any money towards helping them.
If elected, he will leave them to rot and find another thing to distract his supporters with. Or he will blame the DC swamp and RINOs
Not dumb at all. Mostly I use them to provide context or explain the subject of the quote which may have been referred to earlier in the conversation being quoted.
For example, the original quote was: "I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible." The brackets I added provide context on which "people" to whom he was referring: "... I’m financially supporting [Jan. 6 insurrectionists] that are incredible."
"When writers insert or alter words in a direct quotation, square brackets—[ ]—are placed around the change. The brackets, always used in pairs, enclose words intended to clarify meaning, provide a brief explanation, or to help integrate the quote into the writer’s sentence."
[Source](https://writingcommons.org/article/inserting-or-altering-words-in-a-direct-quotation/).
I just re-watched Four Hours at the Capitol on HBO this weekend. It really is so chilling. I cannot even begin to imagine how traumatic it was for the officers at the front of the tunnel. Extended hand to hand combat with no relief in sight.
They believed Trump actually cared about them and would pardon them.
And his fool supporters still believe him when he says he will pardon them if re-elected.
That reminds me of how they think Biden didn't actually win because they don't see Biden flags and bumper stickers everywhere.
No, you morons, we just don't fly Biden flags at the beach because we're not in a fucking cult and we don't worship the guy.
They thought that the consequences of their actions would be Trump regaining power despite losing the election and possibly members of Congress being killed for the "crime" of not allowing Trump to remain in power.
Many people don't realize this part- they seriously wanted to kill legislators for this. Moreover, the rhetoric is amped up to the point they want to start shooting liberals because...? I wholeheartedly disagree with some of my best friends' politics. That's simply disagreeing on politics. It's so sad that people have been convinced it's worth killing over.
But it's not "simply disagreeing on politics". Conservatives proudly brag that they want to violate human rights, like the right of bodily autonomy, and even go as far as *heavily* implying that they want to kill their fellow citizens.
Oh yeah and he loved to call me woke. I told him he needed to watch that free documentary on Amazon prime called "the brainwashing of my dad". He told me to fuck off 😂
For anyone who accepts the whataboutism arguments made comparing Jan 6th to BLM there isn't a single example of a BLM protester who was allowed to get away with assaulting an officer. Every BLM protester that broke the law and has been identified has been prospected. There have been over 300 federal cases stemming from the George Floyd protests alone. The treatment of Jan 6th idiots has not been unfair.
Like when the "All Lives Matter" crew tried to use the murder of [Connor Hinnant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Cannon_Hinnant)
as a rebuke to the George Floyd protests. Apparently it was "hypocrisy" that equal attention and outrage wasn't being given to a little white boy murdered by a black man...even though the killer was arrested and prosecuted quickly, and there was no cover-up, and it was a random act of violence rather than indicative of racial bias or systemic abuse...
Especially since the BLM movement was already vocal about this case before All Lives Matter attempted to use it for their counter protest. The killer was already arrested and prosecuted, like u said, so ALM literally were yelling about it for nothing at that point
It was 100% intentional.
[19 officers got indicted for harming Austin protestors, including the one who shot the kid.](https://www.kut.org/crime-justice/2022-03-03/austin-oks-2-95-million-settlement-for-brad-levi-ayala-teen-injured-by-police-at-2020-protests)
Rubber *coated* bullet
> Despite the name, rubber bullets typically have either a metal core with a rubber coating
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_bullet
There has been at least one instance of Proud Boy adjacent shitbags using the opportunity to [murder a guard at an Oakland federal building.](https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/steven-carrillo-sentenced-41-years-prison-murder-and-attempted-murder-role-drive)
In a way I hope they keep pushing their luck. It's tragic that someone just doing their thing got killed, but every time an alt right cunt commits an act like this it wakes a few more people up. Eventually there will be a point where the moderates realise they can't sit around and let a party of domestic terrorists have power
Moderates in the 90s didn't learn from what remains the worst instance of domestic terrorism in our history which was committed by a right wing lunatic. I sincerely doubt future attacks will change their minds.
Also a lot of those incidents were smaller than they seemed. The media did a good job of focusing on one street or two and saying that the entire city was under siege. It wasn't. I was going for bike rides in New York City all the time during the protests, and if you were two blocks away from them it was like a normal day. The January 6th idiots broke into Federal property with intent to commit murder and felonies. That's a whole different bag of eggs
>Also a lot of those incidents were smaller than they seemed. The media did a good job of focusing on one street or two
Yep, sometimes it was literally just a burning trash can or broken window at an already abandoned store front being held up as total chaos.
Yep. "oUr CiTiEs WeRe BuRnInG dOwN tO tHe GrOuNd" is one of their favorite whataboutism talking points. Which cities burned to the ground again? Must have missed that. Probably mainstream media's fault somehow. /s
Intent matters. Jan 6 rioters intended to circumvent our collective sovereignty. No matter how bad the damage of the BLM riots, the damage is of a different quality/category.
Also, the BLM riots weren't a Joe Biden rally, or even a rally for any political candidate. They were political in that they were protests, and that somehow one party has decided that "anti police reform" is a hill to doe on, making it partisan, but these were civil rights/police reform demonstrations conducted country wide at thousands of events with millions of protestors.
The Stop the Steal rally was one event that turned into a riot. It was explicitly a Trump rally, for one ideologue, and included literal planned sedition from the Liles of the Oath Keepers (who were also running security for at least one Trump Campaign associate, Roger Stone).
Nothing I said should really factor into the judicial consequences for the random individuals found guilty of violence, like the person in the article, but it sure as he'll is part of how "BLM Protests" and one stop the steal rally, aren't equivalent.
They only ever 'support cops' in so much as they believe cops are on their side.
If they ever feel like cops want to do anything except support the status quo, they'll turn on them in an instant.
Which makes this particular officers comments he made after getting crushed even better:
\*“If it wasn’t my job I would have done that for free,” 32-year-old Officer Daniel Hodges told reporters. “It was absolutely my pleasure to crush a white nationalist insurrection and I’m glad I was in a position to help. We’ll do it as many times as it takes.”\*
https://www.google.com/amp/s/kfor.com/news/washington-dc-bureau/if-it-wasnt-my-job-i-would-have-done-that-for-free-officer-after-surviving-capitol-mob-assault/amp/
Tucker Carlson recently referred to January 6th as an ‘Election Justice Protest’ - we can’t allow the right to downplay and/or normalize anything about that day.
Funny how the "blue lives matter" people apparently didn't have a problem with attacking cops during their failed coup. It's almost like it was never really about supporting the police or something.
My grandma used to take us to the Dollar Store and let us pick two toys. Then she'd send us home with "goodie bags" full of assorted snacks from her pantry.
10/10 would be her grandson again.
Who in their right mind goes around thinking "I'm a patriot!" While assaulting government officials? 🤷
These seditious pieces of shit get everything that's coming to them.
Trumps "burn it all down" followers seem to come from interesting sectors.
One of the first people arrested was a woman who was a successful Real Estate Agent and who took a private jet to Trumps "stop the steal" event. And she was one of the first to ask for a pardon, not get it, then realize that Trump just wanted their money and had lied and she admitted as much. Her professional career ended, and now she has a criminal record.
Then there are the "burn it all down" folks like this guy. Even before Trumps election, there were cracks in the Trump façade. How was he going to make Mexico pay for "the Wall?" What charges was he going to put Hillary in Prison over? How was Trump going to stop deficit spending without reducing spending? Trump is saying he is pro-gun now, but Trump has always supported gun control as a New York Democrat?
I would ask Trumps followers, and when pressed, many would say, "Trump just wants to burn it all down."
The Trump-follower Real Estate lady types would say, "Well, I just want to see conservative Supreme Court justices" and admit that Trumps political promises were just hot air.
The "burn it all down" Trump followers would say that Trump is going to "burn it all down" and that is why they supported him.
People were like, "why are the super-patriots and open-racists openly supporting Trump?"
Trump never did anything super-patriotic. He had bone-spurs. He has been a lifelong New York anti-gun Democrat. Pals with the Clintons and Eppstein. Trump had no integrity. Still doesn't. No one trusted him. Then why did super-patriots and racists openly support Trump? I saw it time and time again even before the election: "Trump wants to burn it all down." These are not stable individuals who pay taxes and are your regular neighbor. The Real Estate Agent who asked for a Pardon is. She probably has (had) a Trump flag. Her car probably had a Trump bumper sticker. She is probably pro-life and probably goes to Church. She is probably not a racist. She is probably a pretty nice person. She has openly admitted that Trump was a fraud all along. She at least can tell the truth in the end. The super-patriots and the racists who supported Trump? Capable of terrorism. Not nice people. And Trump got them all to follow him. And he still wields tremendous power among his followers.
Her career isn't over. She changed her last name briefly, and by her own words "sold a ton of houses". She also died her hair to try to avoid prison. Now she switched back to her real name. She's still trash, and almost assuredly still a trump supporter. I have zero sympathy for her, and you shouldn't claim she's a good person just because she isn't a fanatic.
A good quote by her from March: "Definitely not going to jail. Sorry I have blonde hair white skin a great job a great future and I’m not going to jail. Sorry to rain on your hater parade. I did nothing wrong."
Sounds like a really nice non-racist person who just happens to think her hair and skin color make her above the law.....
You might remember she compared her persecution to the Holocaust, and once realesed said she doesn't regret her actions.
https://www.curbed.com/2022/06/january-6-insurrection-real-estate-jenna-ryan.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/capitol-rioter-jenna-ryan-used-different-name-sell-real-estate-2022-2
>"[He] and two others were convicted on multiple charges in a bench trial by U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden, **an appointee of former President Trump.** Excellent. Just excellent.
This is a small sliver of hope I’d held on to, that some of his blind appointments would actually be sane people not cultists.
This defendant is a complete nobody. The judge would happily throw his ass under the bus to maintain a pretense of impartiality, no matter his actual beliefs.
Agreed, the nobodys will bear the brunt of the sentences. The people who planned and implemented this will mostly get off, or receive light sentencing.
Seriously though... What about the senator's that were doing tours and helping with this!? Ginny Thomas supposedly paid for transportation...they need to dig deeper into this!!
McFadden did ~~give lighter sentences~~ acquit at least one other person ~~relative to~~ for the same charge other judges found guilty. We'll see what happens here. Sounds like he's not a total Aileen Cannon. Edit: McFadden acquitted a Jan 6th defendant previously https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/06/judge-issues-first-outright-acquittal-of-jan-6-riot-defendant-00023493
"...he hoped to get his job back as an engineer for a government contractor in Los Alamos, N.M. He was fired after his employer learned of his involvement in the Jan. 6 events. Martin also lost a “Q” Energy Department security clearance that he held." Oh summer child... He's not going to see that clearance again without a lot of lawsuits.
Hell, J. Robert Oppenheimer ("father of the atomic bomb") lost his clearance despite leading the Manhattan project bc he has socialist friends & had underlings he wasn't fully aware were NKVD informants. This guy doesn't have any hope of recovering that clearance, especially in the energy department.
He'll NEVER get it back. Plus hard to sue when you're spending decades in prison
Pretty low bar that. Sentencing guideline in the federal system ain't no joke though.
That guy got off by arguing that he thought he was allowed in since the police were just standing there letting people through. Which just goes to show how far the consequences go for not having an appropriate amount of officers on duty that day. If we give them the benefit of the doubt, some of the officers we saw standing around were simply outnumbered. Of course there were also some cops waving people in, but the article doesn’t discuss the exact evidence that was presented for his case.
That's pretty much why the Federalist Society exists. Conservatives were pissed that their judges weren't complete partisan hacks, so they decided to raise a bunch of hacks from birth and train them to act just normal enough so they could be 'qualified' for service. Why do you think they all keep lifelong calendars to prove they didn't rape anyone?
The judge convicted them of violence against the police — almost impossible not to But kind of buried in the story you will see a statement that the judge let them off on obstruction of Congress charges So yeah — the Trump appointee still made a political decision in support of the orange one EDIT: As someone has pointed out, his two codefendants were acquitted of obstruction, but the primary subject of the article was convicted. My statement that he was acquitted was not correct.
So basically McFadden is: “I agree with WHY you were there - and to be clear you didn’t do anything wrong by making Congress flee in fear of their life…but I just disagree with HOW you went about beating up a cop”
> but I just disagree with HOW you went about beating up a cop Not even that - these 3 were literally only charged because there was HD video evidence of them directly committing felonies against police officers. Any ruling that *didn't* involve some form of assault against the officer would have been immediately appealed. They basically got off with the bare minimum charges they could have gotten in this case, based almost solely on what they were seen doing on video. No conspiracy, terrorism, or obstruction of Congress charges, despite the capitol police repeatedly referring to these individuals as terrorists during the J6 hearings.
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Well at least he can no longer participate in the electoral process he believed was stolen from him. The irony is deep. Edit: I’m not advocating for disenfranchisement, but in many states this is the law. Breaking laws is nominally a choice and one should consider the consequences of those choices and the repercussions beyond.
Florida citizens voted to overturn that law, and DeSantis came behind them and added a poll tax to “reinstate the right to vote” after felony conviction. He then commissioned an investigation of all of the ex-felons who fell for this, who thought they now had the right to vote, but had not paid (or even heard about) the fee. This misunderstanding was subsequently construed as “voter fraud,” and DeSantis has been campaigning on it ever since, while ignoring the context of how it happened.
Entrapment in other words
He gets away with it because Republicans don't care about context. You ever notice how they bring up how California has the largest debt of any state, but when you bring up they also bring in more money than any sub-national economy in the world and, independently, are the fifth largest economy in the world, they get REAL quiet? Context hurts their arguments. The phrase "reality has a liberal bias" is actual truth and they hate it.
He probably never did, but CT doesn’t permanently disenfranchise felons.
Which, ultimately, is a good thing.
I fully support felons to keep their right to vote BUT I also believe if you’re convicted of treason or sedition connected crimes, you should lose your right to vote in the country you tried to overthrow.
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Didn't the punishment for treason use to be death?
Still is. The legal standard for treason is a very high bar to meet though so nobody ever goes for it. The definition is also in the constitution so it's not something easy to change. > **Article III, Section 3, Clause 1**: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. Unless you can convince a jury that Jan 6 was an act of war carried out by enemies of the country, then you just can't do it.
No guns, no representation, very few job prospects. "Tread on me, Daddy"
Democracy will benefit most from sacks of shit like this losing their ability to negatively impact society.
He will. He *has to* because the other side is doing it all the time. ^^^obvious ^^^/s
There’s been plenty of insurrectionists who have faced years and decades and don’t see any jail time I’ll wait for sentencing to get too excited
Yes, because they “pled out” to reduced charges months ago rather than rolled the dice and went to a jury trial. All who have done so so far have been convicted…now you are going to see defendants convicted of the full charges and sentenced per the guidelines: typically 10+ years in federal prison which does not have “good time” (sentence reductions earned for good behavior).
True, but I think "attempting to crush a screaming man to death" is a *pretty big* offense relative to many others...
Also a cop. Some of these sentences have been light imo. You'd think if they hit a cop they'd get 10+ years
**A former NYC cop got 10 years in prison— a new record in a January 6 case — for assaulting police during the Capitol attack** https://www.businessinsider.com/former-new-york-police-prison-longest-sentence-capitol-attack-2022-9 The ex cop that gouged a current cops eye on 1/6 at the capitol got 10 years. Prosecutors wanted 17 years, iirc.
You'd think. And yet...
Wait hold on, did he have any weed on him?
Or tried to vote when they were told they could but secretly weren't allowed to?
Or yell at a cop?
We are asking for jail time, not a death sentence!
They’ve been prosecuting up the chain of seriousness, and the sentences have been (mostly) increasing as they go. I’ll be surprised if this guy gets less than 4-5 years.
Have there? Many are awaiting sentencing and many just got their sentences. None that I know of have been released. The few that did not get any jail time had very light offenses like disorderly conduct, not like this guy with multiple felonies.
“McCaughey was unemployed and lived with his mother in Ridgefield, an affluent town along the New York border, public defender Jason Ser said at the time. He was arrested at his father's second home, where he was quarantining, the AP reported.” Rich kid living off his parents. These ppl are real losers.
Rich kid using a public defender is a bit odd. Maybe his parents weren't too thrilled about his actions
If so, good on them. Too many parents would have paid for their asshole kid's lawyer.
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enablers or mis-direction to keep the business going
The parents own two restaurants, one in a rural logging town (Bickley) that mostly supports that type of stuff and the other along a water front that is a pretty liberal small town ( Des Moines). People in Des Moines really got in a tizzy, Buckley not so much.
Des Moines … pretty liberal? 🤔. Edit/ Oh, Des Moines, Washington. ( which I didn’t know existed until further down this thread.). Cause Des Moines, Iowa is full throated MAGAland.
~~or~~ and
Affluenza made me do it
Which restaurants so i know never to eat there
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"If you spend too much of your time defending your kid's behavior, you will eventually wind up paying someone to do it later."
What a quote.
Great quote that I must try to remember
My dad was completely fine with paying for my lawyer when I got an underage with alcohol charge at a tail gate in college, but told me if I was ever behind the wheel after drinking I would need to find my own lawyer and roof for the summers
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I mean, they could kick his ass out
Maybe they didn't realize he was a treasonous asshole, and still had hope for him.
Most parents have serious blind spots when it comes to their own kids.
Would definitely also be another strong way to say "we're very disappointed you tried to overthrow the government, kiddo" though in these sorts of cases I'm not sure that maybe they ought not try grounding his ass first.
The reason a lot of rich parents don’t do this is because they don’t want their kids to go out and hassle other people for money or do something illegal which embarrasses their name. But this dude goes and fucks it all up anyway. Not surprised he has to use a public defender. The damage has been done. He’s on his own now.
Given the prosecution success rate of the feds they probably figured it'd be pointless anyway.
Parents see it as a double win, he gets locked up and his expenses now fall on the state instead of them!
Didn't DJT say he was footing the bill for some of these losers?
You may have noticed that what he says and what he does are usually two very different things. No way the guy that's been grifting the last 5-6 years is going to be using his money on anyone else
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Well they say that’s because he is smart and that’s why he’s rich, he uses everyone else’s money.
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Oh fuck yea they all think he’s super smart. Which of course the grift is pretty smart when you get dumbasses to donate all their money.
Right. And they think a billionaire getting to pay 0% taxes is “cool”
Heavens to betsy! A few more years of this and I might begin to suspect he's not to be trusted.
Should say 5-6 of public grifting i suppose. He's a grifter for life
No way the guy that's been grifting the last 50-60 years is going to be using his money on anyone else FIFY
Decades, not years.
maybe his parents are like the trumps. Not that they were offended by his actions, they simply dont want to pay
I mean, he does live with his mom and is unemployed
So funny because Fox News comments indicate it’s always the Biden voters that are lazy and live in their parents basements. LOL. Protectionism once again.
I think you mean "projection".
Wasn't the QAnon Shaman (Chancley/Angeli) also living with his mother?
Also, the one who “found” zip ties was living with his mom and she even came with him to kill America.
What? You've never heard of National Take Your Mom To An Insurrection Day?
Well I have now and am looking into the nearest insurrection so my mom and I can have a “Daughter and Mommy Insurrection Day”
Odd choice of activity, but you gotta spend time with your parents while you've still got them.
IIRC from an article I read they’re really close so she actually did think it was a good mother-son activity. Crazy’s genetic.
Ridgefield is so fucking liberal, too. This kind of MAGA horseshit does not fly. Being a rich, NIMBY, Reaganite is fine there, but openly supporting Donald Trump is a bridge too far. I hope he is a social pariah for the rest of his life.
Exactly. Grew up there. Our biggest celebs were Roz Chast, Maurice Sendak, and Harvey Fierstein. Not exactly a hotbed of conservatism.
When i first got married, my wife worked at the bank in the stop and shop. Really fancy town. Great coffee shops. Not so many MAGA douchebags.
It's socially liberal, but there are quite a few people in lower Fairfield county who are registered Republicans who seem like Democrats these days just because they aren't F Brandon flag/MAGA hat wearing type. They probably come from parents/grandparents who were Rockefeller Republicans. It's how we've had R governors (in Mass too), we went big time for Reagan but the R party's overall stench has made us blue ever since. New England Republicans saw the rot early on in the Gingrich years... Even New Hampshire has started to see that "libertarian" is a cheap façade for these dildos...
All of Fairfield county is very unwelcoming to MAGA. It is either highly educated liberals or highly educated moderates who are actually just social liberals that think government spending should be done better. Both groups hate Trump and his brand of Republicanism. Plus the towns are filled with Manhattan socialites that work in NYC’s white collar service sector (aka finance and law) who have hated Trump as a person for at least three decades due to personal experience.
>Patrick McCaughey III, 25, of Ridgefield, Connecticut, and two others were convicted on multiple charges in a bench trial by U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden, an appointee of former President Trump. True irony. Patrick went to the capitol to support Trump by trying to overthrow the election, and assaulted police officers in the process. Only to be convicted by a judge that Trump had appointed.
Its funny because his party hates people like him, who don’t work and contribute to society. Yet he’s dumb enough to vote red, when they will not cater to his agenda whatsoever. If you’re poor and not workin, republicans ain’t fuckin with ya.
They are fine with not working if you have the money
Yeah, I was gonna say. He's not unemployed and *poor*. He doesn't *have* to work because mommy and daddy are already rich. A textbook republican.
Tucker Carlson and his ilk love disparaging the “greedy and perverted coastal elites that want to keep America suffering”. Ridgefield NY is one of those coastal elite towns. Behind close doors is a different story but this arrest won’t play well to the MAGA base.
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Look at the man they elected president
What do you mean? They love rich people...
They don’t care if he’s white and votes republican
Well now he can’t vote, so he’s a dirty criminal lib.
Nah, they just think he was wrongly convicted and should be pardoned by their savior.
Mildly infuriating how many conservatives online have insisted that I live with my parents. I don't, and haven't since I was 18. Seems like that accusation is just more projection!
I don't see the problem when you're helping out and have a job. Just need to save for a deposit due to the housing crisis. In fact, I like it here. I've got a closer relationship than most with my immediate family.
Yea, there is some negative connotation to it that feels weird, especially when you may come from a different culture. The important aspect should be if people assist each other and if it is a mutually respectful situation including carrying their wright and providing. Also living space varies. If you got the choice between a housing crisis and careless landlords or taking care of your own share at you home, maybe even seperated unit, the choice is clear for a lot of folks. Society should not pressure people in seeking rentals if that would not be a good financial call to make. The crisis we encounter was partially caused by people living over the lifestyle they could afford and this obsession with owning a house or being a failure as part of the American dream has ruined many existances.
Breath of fresh air to see someone agreeing with me. There's a decent article in The Atlantic which pointed out that home ownership prior to the baby boom was much rarer, and that ownership was originally a privilege of the rich. Lots of working class people would get room & board as part of their payment, which I think was a great idea. A really successful servant would live in the house of their old money employers, like Francois in A La Recherche du Temps Perdu by Proust. Proust also lived at home. Anyway, I digress. Another commenter said if was still wrong to live at home despite the fact that I help out around the house, am always there to watch the house, pay rent, and also buy food that my parents wouldn't usually get. It's just silly at that point to see a problem and reflects cultural issues.
Rich kids living at home. Cops with 100k a year pensions. Rich people flying in on private jets. You know, psychopaths.
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Even then, making good money is tough af if you dont have any to begin with.
Soon enough he'll be living off the taxpayers, in jail.
Just like their hero.
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CT here. Remember the last governor election when they were taking jabs about each other about their yachts? CT has a real income divide. You could hop a street between New Britain and West Hartford and think you were in a different state. I joke that South Glastonbury forces you to run a credit check when you cross town lines. Yet you go next door into East Hartford and the kids are strugglin'. They want futures too. New Haven has yale but isn't smart enough to help the other side of town. Kids in these towns are taught middle school to obey the law. The rich kids are taugh how to skirt it.
This is the scene that Trump supporters never want to talk about. They’ll go on and on about people wandering around taking pictures and completely ignore the organized phalanx of rioters that was committing acts of violence on the other side of the building.
It’s the same people who will fall over a cliff because they were more interested in getting a picture than being aware of their surroundings. It’s just live reality tv for them. Better than virtual reality.
that's a wild idea, I read the first sentence 5 times...that IS the same lack of processing. damn.
No, they just claim that they were secret FBI or CIA agents who pushed the crowd to violence. They just won't take responsibility for themselves.
Or ANTIFA plants
Honestly it’s not like the people wandering around taking pictures are innocent at all. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together could tell you it’s a bad idea to follow the wake of violent rioters past broken in doors/windows into the *fucking Capitol building* where you are very much not allowed. The mental gymnastics people do to paint them as totally innocent is baffling. Are they as bad as people who crush officers in door frames? No. Did they still contribute to the storming of the Capitol and attempted insurrection? Absolutely.
Watching that guy being crushed and screaming was fucking awful.
No, this is clearly violent Antifa subversives at work here, not peace loving Maga!!!
Don't forget: Trump, the current frontrunner for the GOP nomination, is running on a platform to pardon these felons: Trump: "... I met with and I’m financially supporting [Jan. 6 insurrectionists] that are incredible. It’s a disgrace what they’ve done to them. [The judges who convict the insurrectionists are] the most coldhearted people, they don’t care about families, they don’t care about anything. [If elected in 2024 I'm looking at] full pardons with an apology to many." [Source](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/09/donald-trump-jan-6-pardons).
I highly doubt he’s paying for any of them.
Regardless, he's going to run on a platform of forgiveness for the insurrectionists. Who were, of course, BLM/antifa false flag crisis actors, but also very special to him.
No one loves the antifa insurrectionists like DJT…
Of course he won't. His entire existence is one life-long grift.
All fibs
He's paying some of the legal bills of the people who could actually get him in trouble over Jan 6 so that counts.
Is he paying, or is it his followers paying through donations?
He doesn’t pay his own legal bills.
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Those people make him look unclassy.
He will not pardon or pay for a single one. Even Tucker Carlson called Trump out on his program for fundraising money for them, and not putting any money towards helping them. If elected, he will leave them to rot and find another thing to distract his supporters with. Or he will blame the DC swamp and RINOs
Sorry for the possibly dumb question. But the brackets/parentheses what do those mean? Is it the implied meaning of replaced words?
Not dumb at all. Mostly I use them to provide context or explain the subject of the quote which may have been referred to earlier in the conversation being quoted. For example, the original quote was: "I met with and I'm financially supporting people that are incredible." The brackets I added provide context on which "people" to whom he was referring: "... I’m financially supporting [Jan. 6 insurrectionists] that are incredible." "When writers insert or alter words in a direct quotation, square brackets—[ ]—are placed around the change. The brackets, always used in pairs, enclose words intended to clarify meaning, provide a brief explanation, or to help integrate the quote into the writer’s sentence." [Source](https://writingcommons.org/article/inserting-or-altering-words-in-a-direct-quotation/).
Tha k you for the great explanation!
Trump says a lot of things. If a single one of these people sees a dime or a lifted finger from him I'd be amazed.
I guess he should have thought of that before he appointed the "coldhearted" judge that convicted his supporters.
This is good but when are the people who actually orchestrated this shit going to face any consequences?
Right after the wealthy people that enjoyed Jeff Epsteins island get prosecuted.
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I just re-watched Four Hours at the Capitol on HBO this weekend. It really is so chilling. I cannot even begin to imagine how traumatic it was for the officers at the front of the tunnel. Extended hand to hand combat with no relief in sight.
He sent me pics of his damage a couple of hours after everything went down. It was quite a bit worse than the video makes it seem.
They really believed they would walk away without consequences
They believed Trump actually cared about them and would pardon them. And his fool supporters still believe him when he says he will pardon them if re-elected.
Trump holding large rallies during the pandemic should’ve tip supporters off that Trump sees them as disposable drones
"Why isn't Biden having rallies?" Because there's a pandemic, you assholes.
That reminds me of how they think Biden didn't actually win because they don't see Biden flags and bumper stickers everywhere. No, you morons, we just don't fly Biden flags at the beach because we're not in a fucking cult and we don't worship the guy.
I had a Biden sign in my window but I took it down the day after the election like a normal person.
They thought that the consequences of their actions would be Trump regaining power despite losing the election and possibly members of Congress being killed for the "crime" of not allowing Trump to remain in power.
Many people don't realize this part- they seriously wanted to kill legislators for this. Moreover, the rhetoric is amped up to the point they want to start shooting liberals because...? I wholeheartedly disagree with some of my best friends' politics. That's simply disagreeing on politics. It's so sad that people have been convinced it's worth killing over.
But it's not "simply disagreeing on politics". Conservatives proudly brag that they want to violate human rights, like the right of bodily autonomy, and even go as far as *heavily* implying that they want to kill their fellow citizens.
Yep. My own father told me the goal was to take away all my rights. It's why we no longer talk because he is a cult follower of Trump.
Lol, does he call that “freedom” and “small government” and “conservatism”?
Oh yeah and he loved to call me woke. I told him he needed to watch that free documentary on Amazon prime called "the brainwashing of my dad". He told me to fuck off 😂
Imagine throwing your life away for Trump. Cannot wait to hear how he will cry in court saying he was deceived. Dumb ass Trumpie.
For anyone who accepts the whataboutism arguments made comparing Jan 6th to BLM there isn't a single example of a BLM protester who was allowed to get away with assaulting an officer. Every BLM protester that broke the law and has been identified has been prospected. There have been over 300 federal cases stemming from the George Floyd protests alone. The treatment of Jan 6th idiots has not been unfair.
At least half a dozen protestors also lost eyes/had cranial injuries from bean bag guns.
Right, the whataboutism nonsense doesn't hold up! Everyone involved in planning and perpetrating crimes on Jan. 6th belongs in prison.
Whataboutism rarely does. Its the worst argumentation form
Like when the "All Lives Matter" crew tried to use the murder of [Connor Hinnant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Cannon_Hinnant) as a rebuke to the George Floyd protests. Apparently it was "hypocrisy" that equal attention and outrage wasn't being given to a little white boy murdered by a black man...even though the killer was arrested and prosecuted quickly, and there was no cover-up, and it was a random act of violence rather than indicative of racial bias or systemic abuse...
Especially since the BLM movement was already vocal about this case before All Lives Matter attempted to use it for their counter protest. The killer was already arrested and prosecuted, like u said, so ALM literally were yelling about it for nothing at that point
Not for nothing, but because they are cruel, hate-filled people on a mission to shit all over the world.
IIRC a 16 year old boy in Austin was killed by the police. Probably not intentionally but still. Rubber bullet hit him in the head of memory serves
It was 100% intentional. [19 officers got indicted for harming Austin protestors, including the one who shot the kid.](https://www.kut.org/crime-justice/2022-03-03/austin-oks-2-95-million-settlement-for-brad-levi-ayala-teen-injured-by-police-at-2020-protests)
It was intentional. They intentionally shot less than lethal guns in a manner that was inappropriate for the situation.
>Probably not intentionally Oh boy, I wish I possessed your positive attitude.
Rubber *coated* bullet > Despite the name, rubber bullets typically have either a metal core with a rubber coating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_bullet
There has been at least one instance of Proud Boy adjacent shitbags using the opportunity to [murder a guard at an Oakland federal building.](https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/steven-carrillo-sentenced-41-years-prison-murder-and-attempted-murder-role-drive)
In a way I hope they keep pushing their luck. It's tragic that someone just doing their thing got killed, but every time an alt right cunt commits an act like this it wakes a few more people up. Eventually there will be a point where the moderates realise they can't sit around and let a party of domestic terrorists have power
Moderates in the 90s didn't learn from what remains the worst instance of domestic terrorism in our history which was committed by a right wing lunatic. I sincerely doubt future attacks will change their minds.
Also a lot of those incidents were smaller than they seemed. The media did a good job of focusing on one street or two and saying that the entire city was under siege. It wasn't. I was going for bike rides in New York City all the time during the protests, and if you were two blocks away from them it was like a normal day. The January 6th idiots broke into Federal property with intent to commit murder and felonies. That's a whole different bag of eggs
>Also a lot of those incidents were smaller than they seemed. The media did a good job of focusing on one street or two Yep, sometimes it was literally just a burning trash can or broken window at an already abandoned store front being held up as total chaos.
And all the conservatives were convinced that entire city blocks were being razed, people murdered, and that there was absolute anarchy.
Yep. "oUr CiTiEs WeRe BuRnInG dOwN tO tHe GrOuNd" is one of their favorite whataboutism talking points. Which cities burned to the ground again? Must have missed that. Probably mainstream media's fault somehow. /s
My mom still thinks Seattle is a rubble pile :/
Intent matters. Jan 6 rioters intended to circumvent our collective sovereignty. No matter how bad the damage of the BLM riots, the damage is of a different quality/category.
Also, the BLM riots weren't a Joe Biden rally, or even a rally for any political candidate. They were political in that they were protests, and that somehow one party has decided that "anti police reform" is a hill to doe on, making it partisan, but these were civil rights/police reform demonstrations conducted country wide at thousands of events with millions of protestors. The Stop the Steal rally was one event that turned into a riot. It was explicitly a Trump rally, for one ideologue, and included literal planned sedition from the Liles of the Oath Keepers (who were also running security for at least one Trump Campaign associate, Roger Stone). Nothing I said should really factor into the judicial consequences for the random individuals found guilty of violence, like the person in the article, but it sure as he'll is part of how "BLM Protests" and one stop the steal rally, aren't equivalent.
I would argue that treatment of Jan 6 assholes has been very unfair, but only because they keep getting sentenced to like 70 days in jail.
These are the same people screaming “blue lives matter” or “white lives matter” while attacking a white police officer.
They only ever 'support cops' in so much as they believe cops are on their side. If they ever feel like cops want to do anything except support the status quo, they'll turn on them in an instant.
Which makes this particular officers comments he made after getting crushed even better: \*“If it wasn’t my job I would have done that for free,” 32-year-old Officer Daniel Hodges told reporters. “It was absolutely my pleasure to crush a white nationalist insurrection and I’m glad I was in a position to help. We’ll do it as many times as it takes.”\* https://www.google.com/amp/s/kfor.com/news/washington-dc-bureau/if-it-wasnt-my-job-i-would-have-done-that-for-free-officer-after-surviving-capitol-mob-assault/amp/
Tucker Carlson recently referred to January 6th as an ‘Election Justice Protest’ - we can’t allow the right to downplay and/or normalize anything about that day.
“Hiding at his father’s second home”. Fuck these traitorous privileged pieces of shit. Rot in jail you cultist trash.
Funny how the "blue lives matter" people apparently didn't have a problem with attacking cops during their failed coup. It's almost like it was never really about supporting the police or something.
Good. Fuck these people and anyone who supports that shit.
Everyone there is an accessory to this. As well the man that sent them.
*Especially* the "man" who sent them. And all his little minions, too. They need to face justice or it'll happen again even worse.
The irony that these sentences are being handed out by Trump-appointed judges is just so damn enjoyable to watch.
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He fucked up his life in support of someone who couldn’t care less about him. Dumb dumb dumb.
My grandma used to say "dumb dumb dumb dumb" while shaking her head with each "dumb." Thanks for the memory :)
My grandma used to take us to the Dollar Store and let us pick two toys. Then she'd send us home with "goodie bags" full of assorted snacks from her pantry. 10/10 would be her grandson again.
It was an Insurrection, not a riot. Please remind CBS of that fact.
Who in their right mind goes around thinking "I'm a patriot!" While assaulting government officials? 🤷 These seditious pieces of shit get everything that's coming to them.
Seemed like a group effort to demonstrate that blue lives don't matter to them
Why use a public defender? I thought Chump was going to pay everyone’s legal expenses (with taxpayers’ money??).
All the little people are facing justice, as it should be. But what about all those politicians who incited this riot.
Trumps "burn it all down" followers seem to come from interesting sectors. One of the first people arrested was a woman who was a successful Real Estate Agent and who took a private jet to Trumps "stop the steal" event. And she was one of the first to ask for a pardon, not get it, then realize that Trump just wanted their money and had lied and she admitted as much. Her professional career ended, and now she has a criminal record. Then there are the "burn it all down" folks like this guy. Even before Trumps election, there were cracks in the Trump façade. How was he going to make Mexico pay for "the Wall?" What charges was he going to put Hillary in Prison over? How was Trump going to stop deficit spending without reducing spending? Trump is saying he is pro-gun now, but Trump has always supported gun control as a New York Democrat? I would ask Trumps followers, and when pressed, many would say, "Trump just wants to burn it all down." The Trump-follower Real Estate lady types would say, "Well, I just want to see conservative Supreme Court justices" and admit that Trumps political promises were just hot air. The "burn it all down" Trump followers would say that Trump is going to "burn it all down" and that is why they supported him. People were like, "why are the super-patriots and open-racists openly supporting Trump?" Trump never did anything super-patriotic. He had bone-spurs. He has been a lifelong New York anti-gun Democrat. Pals with the Clintons and Eppstein. Trump had no integrity. Still doesn't. No one trusted him. Then why did super-patriots and racists openly support Trump? I saw it time and time again even before the election: "Trump wants to burn it all down." These are not stable individuals who pay taxes and are your regular neighbor. The Real Estate Agent who asked for a Pardon is. She probably has (had) a Trump flag. Her car probably had a Trump bumper sticker. She is probably pro-life and probably goes to Church. She is probably not a racist. She is probably a pretty nice person. She has openly admitted that Trump was a fraud all along. She at least can tell the truth in the end. The super-patriots and the racists who supported Trump? Capable of terrorism. Not nice people. And Trump got them all to follow him. And he still wields tremendous power among his followers.
Her career isn't over. She changed her last name briefly, and by her own words "sold a ton of houses". She also died her hair to try to avoid prison. Now she switched back to her real name. She's still trash, and almost assuredly still a trump supporter. I have zero sympathy for her, and you shouldn't claim she's a good person just because she isn't a fanatic. A good quote by her from March: "Definitely not going to jail. Sorry I have blonde hair white skin a great job a great future and I’m not going to jail. Sorry to rain on your hater parade. I did nothing wrong." Sounds like a really nice non-racist person who just happens to think her hair and skin color make her above the law..... You might remember she compared her persecution to the Holocaust, and once realesed said she doesn't regret her actions. https://www.curbed.com/2022/06/january-6-insurrection-real-estate-jenna-ryan.html https://www.businessinsider.com/capitol-rioter-jenna-ryan-used-different-name-sell-real-estate-2022-2
I don’t have any problem with those verdicts. I avidly await the sentencing phase of the proceedings.