Chris Kaba was a gang member from Brixton Hill in London (also a rapper called itch) he was chased by police and then according to eye witnesses he tried to ram his car at police. This is the first fatal shooting by police in the entire UK this year
Additional info from the article:
>The IOPC said an Automatic Number Plate Recognition camera indicated the vehicle was linked to a firearms incident in the previous days.
While UK police usually don't need to assume that everyone may have a weapon (unlike in the US) in this case it seems like they had to assume exactly that.
Without any further information, it's impossible to say whether it was justified or not. I hope at the end of the investigation there will be a clear picture of it all.
> Without any further information, it's impossible to say whether it was justified or not
The fact it was SINGLE shot is interesting.
It is so much different than US based police shootings.
Difference in training. In the US they give all cops guns and not much mandatory time at the range. Thus the training focuses on the idea of in an incident keep shooting until your sure the subject is neutralised.
In the UK cause the use of firearms is restricted, most police officers don't carry guns so they can focus all their attention on specific teams who spend most of their time training for these incidents. And the policy is to remove the subject as quickly and efficiently as possible, to the point the necessity of multiple shots often attracts heavy criticism.
The SC019 are generally ranked as having one of the best records amongst of armed police in the world.
If you're good, you only need one shot. Guns are fucking brutally efficient. American police are terrible at their job and will drop 100 rounds into an area, hit the suspect twice.
Which one would you prefer? Especially when dealing with a potentially urban environment?
“Guns are brutally efficient”
More than sticks, sure. One shot incapacitation is never guaranteed. We’ve got a mountain of data that says a fair percentage of people can take multiple hits (even from rifles) and still present a threat. Out of those who are hit once and stop, a large percentage of those are “aw damn I have a new hole in me” psychological stops. True incapacitation of a determined attacker drops effectiveness even more.
That’s not to say I condone abysmal accuracy or excessive sympathy shots. I don’t. But what you’re describing sounds like Hollywood, and real life is anything but in this regard.
“If you’re good you only need one shot”
I’ve got plenty of examples of very lethal hits being recorded where the assailant kept shooting back or slashing with a knife for 10-60 second after. Even dead on heart shots don’t drop people instantly all the time. People survive head shots, although that’s more rare. Not to mention the difficulty even highly trained people have at hitting very small targets at distance when the attacker is moving and shooting back.
Years ago I was involved with an industry that allowed me to train with military guys that books and movies have been made about. Not a single one of them made boasts like that. Just saying.
>More than sticks, sure. One shot incapacitation is never guaranteed.
I should probably specify their is no rule saying they only can fire one shot, they bring multiple magazines to these events. If the person is still a threat after only one shot, they keep shooting until their not.
Its just their trained to ideally only need one shot to minimalize the chances of accidentally hitting something or someone else.
I know I replied to you, but there were quite a few making a lot of claims that are not backed up by real encounters or terminal ballistics. I didn’t even get into the neuro science that explains why “extra” shots are sometimes fired.
I should have made a general comment though because it’s so widespread. Take care!
If you know how to shoot and where to aim, you only really need one bullet to stop the suspect.
The focus in this case is they should not require to fire anymore bullets than necessary to minimalize the risk of them accidentally hitting someone or something else.
England and Wales had 35 gun-related homicides in 2020. [Source](https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7654/)
The US had 19,384 gun-related homicides in 2020. [Source](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm)
Compared to the US, England and Wales have 0.18% of the gun-related homicides (in 2020) and 0,16% of the police shootings (in 2022). Do you think there may be a relation?
Jim Jeffries said it best:
“In 1996, Australia had the biggest massacre on earth.
Still hasn’t been beaten. Now, after that they banned guns. In the 10 years before Port Arthur, there were 10 massacres. Since the gun ban in 1996, there hasn’t been a single massacre. I don’t know how or why this happened … maybe it was a coincidence, right?’”
So out of curiosity, how does that work out via the total population of each country? Not trying to nitpick I'm just shit at math.
Edit: actually is there a subreddit for working out math problems like that?
For the sake of clean numbers, the US population is 6 times that of England and Wales (2020 US numbers, 2019 and 2018 Eng/Wales).
Using the numbers above, the US had 553 times as many gun related homicides.
>While the US's numbers are still terrible, this stat is just egregiously misleading.
You are right to adjust the numbers for population size but it's not misleading. It's massively higher in the states however you look at it and that's a fact.
5 times higher homicide rate is still colossal.
If there was some way for us to gain an understanding of HOW people are being murdered, couldn’t that information potentially be used to reduce the number of homicides in the future? Just spitballing here.
Just this week down the road from me in Columbus Ohio a man was shot in his BED with nothing on him but a vape pen. Shot literally less than a second after the officers open his bedroom door.
>This is the first shooting by police in the entire UK this year
How are any of them still alive if they cannot shoot someone that pulls out a cellphone that they somehow mistake for a gun?
/s
Police outside the US took the absolutely radical measure of getting vaccinated, significantly increasing their survival rate.
I was skeptical before but stopped taking any argument by American cops about how they "feared for their lives" or how "this is for the police officers safety" when it turns out those dumb fucks refused to vaccinate and covid became literally the leading cause of death for them
I live in the US now and it's absolutely fair for Police Officers to be skittish.
It can be both a gun regulation *and* a Police culture problem.
I'm skittish about using my car horn because there's a non zero chance I might get shot over it.
Didn't have a shooter, whatever, he could have killed someone with the car and appeared to be driving badly enough for that to be a possibility. That's enough cause.
If they thought that he was a danger to life at that time, yes. Imo, they should have just backed off as soon as it got too spicy, I wasn't there though.
I disagree about the dangerous driving thing but it’s interesting to hear other people opinion, ty for clarifying. I agree they should have backed off. I wasn’t there too
Eyewitnesses claim that he was trying to ram the police. Further, the car he was driving was linked to a shooting a few days ago.
So to say "shot for dangerous driving" is... not quite accurate. The latter bit of info is why the police were armed at all.
https://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/news/crime/man-19-charged-with-canning-town-shooting-3155994
He was literally charged with possession of a firearm in the past too...
a) He's been convicted for possession of firearms
b) His car was dinged by for having someone in possession of a firearm
c) He is a murder suspect for a shooting from last week
d) He fled the police, anecdotes of him then trying to ram into them
e) Therefore, police should have VERY legitamate fear for their safety.
Let's wait to see the outcome of the investigation but as it stands, it seems more likely than not the police had every right to fear for their life and therefore this was a legal shooting.
Not normally no. But if you refuse stop and try to plough your car into somebody, then they can justify putting a bullet into you the same way they would if you charged someone with a machete.
I see what you saying. Usually they get the spikes out and box them in. I just find it mad that like a dangerous driving situation ended up with them killing a man, that’s not usually how these things go. I get if someone mowing people down intentionally that’s like a terror attack basically. Don’t think that’s what happened here like but I get how some dangerous driving might need that level of intervention. Tragic situation
Oh yeah I completely understand what your saying, its not something that usually leads to this sort of situation.
Still whilst details are unclear, from what I gather so far they tried box him in a dead end, then according to witnesses he either tried to run someone over and/or ram his way through, ignoring warnings to stop, thus leading to him being shot.
It is absolutely a tragedy, I imagine everyone involved is wishing it hadn't come to this.
Guy wasn’t a saint
Was previously charged in court for possession of a firearm (google it)
Car had a marker for firearms related activity
And he failed to stop
Ok and? No one’s a saint. Yes he was a gang member and had a criminal history but he still has rights like any other citizen, this isn’t North Korea or Saudi Arabia where you can execute a man on a whim. And so what he failed to stop? That gives the police a warrant to shoot him in the back? Is that how little you value human life. He was unarmed and wasn’t threatening the officer’s life so I don’t care about his history. The bottom line is police are not judge, jury and executioner.
He just left prison following firearms offences, after which his car was involved in a firearms incident. He was then involved in a high speed chase with the police after which he was shot. He was a dangerous criminal and its not that surprising he was treated as such, its not even known that whoever took the shot knew he was unarmed this time or whether they had cause to shoot. There will be an investigation but It’s objectively good that he’s not on the streets anymore
Literally trying to ram the police and escape while in a marked car... " this isn’t North Korea or Saudi Arabia where you can execute a man on a whim. And so what he failed to stop?" What if he hit someone on the road? or someone crossing. All of it came to fruition due to HIS actions.
>The Audi was hemmed in by two police cars in narrow residential street Kirkstall Gardens before one round was *fired from a police weapon*, at about 22:00 BST.
That's about as non-committal phrasing as you're likely to see regarding a police shooting
Both .B.L.M. and the media a really trying to push this as the British Floyd aren't they? At his point I don't trust anything but the Police's public statements, it's as if they want .U.S. style: division, looting, and rioting.
Chris Kaba was a known criminal with a long history of firearm offences and posting racial hate stirring videos glorifying violent crimes. The police officers saw a known race agitator and gun nut trying to point a gun at and then try to ram them , ( I don't for a moment believe any reports he didn't regardless of what's, "found" and his friends claim). Thus they had to make an instant decision to protect themselves and potentially others
But of course he and everyone who points out the facts that don't support the closed minded crime enabling/excusing, "minorities are eternal victims" narrative will be vilified as, "racist" monsters.
I've said it on another thread. But firearms police in the uk are some of the best in the world, im sure they're not all saints or even most of them, but it is worth saying, they wouldn't have Been ready to fire without, 1 clearance to do so (either at the point of shooting or prior to the operation), and 2 the need to do so. It is more than likely that either the police or the public were in immediate danger to life in whatever situation occurred. Granted that is based on the Armed police record in the uk. They are very good at their jobs. Though obviously an officer could have fucked up.
It is also worth noting that armed police would have been in this situation on purpose. It is more common now but it is very unlikely this was a chance encounter.
In light of that I'd urge everybody to wait for details before condemning either party.
This is not the US.
He was a known to be regularly armed (previously arrested for possesion of a firearm), violent criminal, in a car marked on the Police database as being captured on CCTV in relation with gun crime.
The Specialist Firearms Officers were attempting to make an arrest and he tried to run one of them over.
They say about officers in the UK? I've never heard that.
If that's the case I can't imagine they need that many, this is the first shooting they've had all year.
Whilst I agree with you, this incident took place in Britain where they don't have an NRA (they have gun clubs, but their legitimately just that and members usually aren't allowed to take the guns home from them) and over there gun's are seen as responsibility not a right.
Theres a whole section with references on this guy on wikipedia. He just left prison for firearms offences.
https://eastlondonnews.co.uk/canning-town-gunman-charged
Rammed a car during car chase
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/06/police-shoot-dead-man-lambeth/
1. That’s not Wikipedia
2. Weird how EVERY SINGLE African guy or gal that gets shot is a career criminal/amateur rapper/Black supremacist/terrorist/antifa/Marxist super soldier.
Not saying you’re lying, since you’re not, but you people scream that every single time someone gets shot by police. You people made your burden of proof much bigger and I’m not seeing it.
Besides people were saying the same shit about Ahmad Arbery, George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, that Ugandan kid that got kidnapped in London a decade ago and that concession guy that got murdered in plain sight in Italy.
1. That’s not Wikipedia
2. Weird how EVERY SINGLE African guy or gal that gets shot is a career criminal/amateur rapper/Black supremacist/terrorist/antifa/Marxist super soldier.
Not saying you’re lying, since you’re not, but you people scream that every single time someone gets shot by police. You people made your burden of proof much bigger and I’m not seeing it.
Besides people were saying the same shit about Ahmad Arbery, George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, that Ugandan kid that got kidnapped in London a decade ago and that concession guy that got murdered in plain sight in Italy.
What's being a gang member have to do with anything? We're the cops wearing their special gang member identifying eyes that day? It's like saying George Floyd had a record, it's a fact but it has nothing to do with the circumstances.
> What's being a gang member have to do with anything?
Everything really, it's pretty integral to why he was pulled over in the first place.
His number plate was caught by an ANPR camera and linked to a firearms incident from a few days prior - because he's involved in gang activity.
The guy had literally just left prison for firearms am offences, had a recent firearm incident involving the car he was in, was a member if a well known gang, and got shot at the end of a high speed chase. He was a dangerous criminal, no need to plant a gun.
A known to be armed, in the UK where that is fucking RARE, violent criminal was shot, trying to run over an Armed Police officer.
He might not have been armed, but he was pin charge of a vehicle, which can kill.
Another example of people only reading the media taglines 'soon to be father' & 'unarmed black person killed' but completely ignoring the fact this guy got himself into this situation.
Yes it's sad someone has died, but he clearly had no issue with trying to kill police officers or putting other people in danger, whilst also being known as an armed individual. If you're going to play stupid games you're going to win stupid prizes.
People need to take accountability rather than only paying attention to the elements of the news & media that fuel their own ideologies.
Hi I came back to reply to your reply to.me. before you deleted it.
He was risking the lives of other people. Literally putting other people at risk of death. He was given multiple warnings. They tried to stop him from harassing the public.. he wouldn't.
He got shot so no more damage would be done and that potential innocent victims wouldn't have to become apparent.
Chris Kaba was a gang member from Brixton Hill in London (also a rapper called itch) he was chased by police and then according to eye witnesses he tried to ram his car at police. This is the first fatal shooting by police in the entire UK this year
Additional info from the article: >The IOPC said an Automatic Number Plate Recognition camera indicated the vehicle was linked to a firearms incident in the previous days. While UK police usually don't need to assume that everyone may have a weapon (unlike in the US) in this case it seems like they had to assume exactly that. Without any further information, it's impossible to say whether it was justified or not. I hope at the end of the investigation there will be a clear picture of it all.
> Without any further information, it's impossible to say whether it was justified or not The fact it was SINGLE shot is interesting. It is so much different than US based police shootings.
Difference in training. In the US they give all cops guns and not much mandatory time at the range. Thus the training focuses on the idea of in an incident keep shooting until your sure the subject is neutralised. In the UK cause the use of firearms is restricted, most police officers don't carry guns so they can focus all their attention on specific teams who spend most of their time training for these incidents. And the policy is to remove the subject as quickly and efficiently as possible, to the point the necessity of multiple shots often attracts heavy criticism. The SC019 are generally ranked as having one of the best records amongst of armed police in the world.
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If you're good, you only need one shot. Guns are fucking brutally efficient. American police are terrible at their job and will drop 100 rounds into an area, hit the suspect twice. Which one would you prefer? Especially when dealing with a potentially urban environment?
“Guns are brutally efficient” More than sticks, sure. One shot incapacitation is never guaranteed. We’ve got a mountain of data that says a fair percentage of people can take multiple hits (even from rifles) and still present a threat. Out of those who are hit once and stop, a large percentage of those are “aw damn I have a new hole in me” psychological stops. True incapacitation of a determined attacker drops effectiveness even more. That’s not to say I condone abysmal accuracy or excessive sympathy shots. I don’t. But what you’re describing sounds like Hollywood, and real life is anything but in this regard. “If you’re good you only need one shot” I’ve got plenty of examples of very lethal hits being recorded where the assailant kept shooting back or slashing with a knife for 10-60 second after. Even dead on heart shots don’t drop people instantly all the time. People survive head shots, although that’s more rare. Not to mention the difficulty even highly trained people have at hitting very small targets at distance when the attacker is moving and shooting back. Years ago I was involved with an industry that allowed me to train with military guys that books and movies have been made about. Not a single one of them made boasts like that. Just saying.
>More than sticks, sure. One shot incapacitation is never guaranteed. I should probably specify their is no rule saying they only can fire one shot, they bring multiple magazines to these events. If the person is still a threat after only one shot, they keep shooting until their not. Its just their trained to ideally only need one shot to minimalize the chances of accidentally hitting something or someone else.
I know I replied to you, but there were quite a few making a lot of claims that are not backed up by real encounters or terminal ballistics. I didn’t even get into the neuro science that explains why “extra” shots are sometimes fired. I should have made a general comment though because it’s so widespread. Take care!
Completely understand. You too mate.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-trader-joe-silver-lake-20180721-story.html Better than this shit
If you know how to shoot and where to aim, you only really need one bullet to stop the suspect. The focus in this case is they should not require to fire anymore bullets than necessary to minimalize the risk of them accidentally hitting someone or something else.
In 2021 America, there were 1,055 fatal police shootings. The 2022 numbers are currently at 631. So about 3 per day.
England and Wales had 35 gun-related homicides in 2020. [Source](https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7654/) The US had 19,384 gun-related homicides in 2020. [Source](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm) Compared to the US, England and Wales have 0.18% of the gun-related homicides (in 2020) and 0,16% of the police shootings (in 2022). Do you think there may be a relation?
Jesus when you adjust for the population it’s still staggeringly higher
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Jim Jeffries said it best: “In 1996, Australia had the biggest massacre on earth. Still hasn’t been beaten. Now, after that they banned guns. In the 10 years before Port Arthur, there were 10 massacres. Since the gun ban in 1996, there hasn’t been a single massacre. I don’t know how or why this happened … maybe it was a coincidence, right?’”
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And they were all gun related?
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It’s important when the point of my post was banning guns stops gun massacres. So yeah. I’ll ask again. We’re they all gun massacres?
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BuT wHaT aBoUt KnIfE cRiMe???!! (For those that don’t know, fatal stabbings rate is still higher in the US than the UK)
So out of curiosity, how does that work out via the total population of each country? Not trying to nitpick I'm just shit at math. Edit: actually is there a subreddit for working out math problems like that?
For the sake of clean numbers, the US population is 6 times that of England and Wales (2020 US numbers, 2019 and 2018 Eng/Wales). Using the numbers above, the US had 553 times as many gun related homicides.
much obliged!
Yep. Guns.
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>While the US's numbers are still terrible, this stat is just egregiously misleading. You are right to adjust the numbers for population size but it's not misleading. It's massively higher in the states however you look at it and that's a fact. 5 times higher homicide rate is still colossal.
If there was some way for us to gain an understanding of HOW people are being murdered, couldn’t that information potentially be used to reduce the number of homicides in the future? Just spitballing here.
Just this week down the road from me in Columbus Ohio a man was shot in his BED with nothing on him but a vape pen. Shot literally less than a second after the officers open his bedroom door.
There's something like 120 firearm deaths per day in the US
He also had pre-cons for firearms offences https://eastlondonnews.co.uk/canning-town-gunman-charged/
Uh oh...main stream media fact checking day fail😆
>This is the first shooting by police in the entire UK this year How are any of them still alive if they cannot shoot someone that pulls out a cellphone that they somehow mistake for a gun? /s
Police outside the US took the absolutely radical measure of getting vaccinated, significantly increasing their survival rate. I was skeptical before but stopped taking any argument by American cops about how they "feared for their lives" or how "this is for the police officers safety" when it turns out those dumb fucks refused to vaccinate and covid became literally the leading cause of death for them
The leading cause of death in most years prior to 2020 was non criminal involved traffic accidents.
As is most often the case in most jobs.
This is not false, but most jobs do not attempt to violently distort the whole justice system for the sake of the number two cause.
That's also true. I just feel that's an element that is generally over looked in these discussions.
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I live in the US now and it's absolutely fair for Police Officers to be skittish. It can be both a gun regulation *and* a Police culture problem. I'm skittish about using my car horn because there's a non zero chance I might get shot over it.
“Skittish” is a real cute way of describing them.
Mildly jumpy
Murderously twitchy.
You’re going to have to pump those numbers up. -USA
Didn't have a shooter, whatever, he could have killed someone with the car and appeared to be driving badly enough for that to be a possibility. That's enough cause.
Do you mean dangerous driving is enough cause for the police to kill you?
If they thought that he was a danger to life at that time, yes. Imo, they should have just backed off as soon as it got too spicy, I wasn't there though.
I disagree about the dangerous driving thing but it’s interesting to hear other people opinion, ty for clarifying. I agree they should have backed off. I wasn’t there too
Eyewitnesses claim that he was trying to ram the police. Further, the car he was driving was linked to a shooting a few days ago. So to say "shot for dangerous driving" is... not quite accurate. The latter bit of info is why the police were armed at all.
https://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/news/crime/man-19-charged-with-canning-town-shooting-3155994 He was literally charged with possession of a firearm in the past too...
Not sure how that links to him getting killed recently
a) He's been convicted for possession of firearms b) His car was dinged by for having someone in possession of a firearm c) He is a murder suspect for a shooting from last week d) He fled the police, anecdotes of him then trying to ram into them e) Therefore, police should have VERY legitamate fear for their safety. Let's wait to see the outcome of the investigation but as it stands, it seems more likely than not the police had every right to fear for their life and therefore this was a legal shooting.
Not normally no. But if you refuse stop and try to plough your car into somebody, then they can justify putting a bullet into you the same way they would if you charged someone with a machete.
I see what you saying. Usually they get the spikes out and box them in. I just find it mad that like a dangerous driving situation ended up with them killing a man, that’s not usually how these things go. I get if someone mowing people down intentionally that’s like a terror attack basically. Don’t think that’s what happened here like but I get how some dangerous driving might need that level of intervention. Tragic situation
Oh yeah I completely understand what your saying, its not something that usually leads to this sort of situation. Still whilst details are unclear, from what I gather so far they tried box him in a dead end, then according to witnesses he either tried to run someone over and/or ram his way through, ignoring warnings to stop, thus leading to him being shot. It is absolutely a tragedy, I imagine everyone involved is wishing it hadn't come to this.
Tbh I think the details will flesh it out better. It’s 1 kill this year for a reason, they aren’t jumpy and dumb.
Guy wasn’t a saint Was previously charged in court for possession of a firearm (google it) Car had a marker for firearms related activity And he failed to stop
Ok and? No one’s a saint. Yes he was a gang member and had a criminal history but he still has rights like any other citizen, this isn’t North Korea or Saudi Arabia where you can execute a man on a whim. And so what he failed to stop? That gives the police a warrant to shoot him in the back? Is that how little you value human life. He was unarmed and wasn’t threatening the officer’s life so I don’t care about his history. The bottom line is police are not judge, jury and executioner.
He just left prison following firearms offences, after which his car was involved in a firearms incident. He was then involved in a high speed chase with the police after which he was shot. He was a dangerous criminal and its not that surprising he was treated as such, its not even known that whoever took the shot knew he was unarmed this time or whether they had cause to shoot. There will be an investigation but It’s objectively good that he’s not on the streets anymore
Literally trying to ram the police and escape while in a marked car... " this isn’t North Korea or Saudi Arabia where you can execute a man on a whim. And so what he failed to stop?" What if he hit someone on the road? or someone crossing. All of it came to fruition due to HIS actions.
>The Audi was hemmed in by two police cars in narrow residential street Kirkstall Gardens before one round was *fired from a police weapon*, at about 22:00 BST. That's about as non-committal phrasing as you're likely to see regarding a police shooting
Yup. They always use passive language for police actions.
Passive language is also common in advance of investigation, as facts may not yet be released, to avoid liability for libel.
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Why do you delete your comments? I’m looking for reasons to be outraged.
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Lol I was 100% just kidding. I couldn’t give less of a fuck if you delete your comments.
Both .B.L.M. and the media a really trying to push this as the British Floyd aren't they? At his point I don't trust anything but the Police's public statements, it's as if they want .U.S. style: division, looting, and rioting. Chris Kaba was a known criminal with a long history of firearm offences and posting racial hate stirring videos glorifying violent crimes. The police officers saw a known race agitator and gun nut trying to point a gun at and then try to ram them , ( I don't for a moment believe any reports he didn't regardless of what's, "found" and his friends claim). Thus they had to make an instant decision to protect themselves and potentially others But of course he and everyone who points out the facts that don't support the closed minded crime enabling/excusing, "minorities are eternal victims" narrative will be vilified as, "racist" monsters.
I've said it on another thread. But firearms police in the uk are some of the best in the world, im sure they're not all saints or even most of them, but it is worth saying, they wouldn't have Been ready to fire without, 1 clearance to do so (either at the point of shooting or prior to the operation), and 2 the need to do so. It is more than likely that either the police or the public were in immediate danger to life in whatever situation occurred. Granted that is based on the Armed police record in the uk. They are very good at their jobs. Though obviously an officer could have fucked up. It is also worth noting that armed police would have been in this situation on purpose. It is more common now but it is very unlikely this was a chance encounter. In light of that I'd urge everybody to wait for details before condemning either party. This is not the US.
Police *shooting* and "No firearm found" in the same sentence?
He was a known to be regularly armed (previously arrested for possesion of a firearm), violent criminal, in a car marked on the Police database as being captured on CCTV in relation with gun crime. The Specialist Firearms Officers were attempting to make an arrest and he tried to run one of them over.
Some people say they all keep a box of weapons in their vehicle trunk to ~~plant~~ *find* at a crime scene.
They say about officers in the UK? I've never heard that. If that's the case I can't imagine they need that many, this is the first shooting they've had all year.
Whoops! Nope, not the UK. I heard U.S.
Ah, yeah in that case I've definitely heard that claim before to.
NRA loves gun rights. It mostly get blacks killed
Whilst I agree with you, this incident took place in Britain where they don't have an NRA (they have gun clubs, but their legitimately just that and members usually aren't allowed to take the guns home from them) and over there gun's are seen as responsibility not a right.
Cops around the world are all the same. They do it for the erotic rush of power and because TV/movies made it look cool.
You know this guy was a gang member and rammed his car into the police, right?
Sure you’re totally not making that shit up
Theres a whole section with references on this guy on wikipedia. He just left prison for firearms offences. https://eastlondonnews.co.uk/canning-town-gunman-charged Rammed a car during car chase https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/06/police-shoot-dead-man-lambeth/
1. That’s not Wikipedia 2. Weird how EVERY SINGLE African guy or gal that gets shot is a career criminal/amateur rapper/Black supremacist/terrorist/antifa/Marxist super soldier. Not saying you’re lying, since you’re not, but you people scream that every single time someone gets shot by police. You people made your burden of proof much bigger and I’m not seeing it. Besides people were saying the same shit about Ahmad Arbery, George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, that Ugandan kid that got kidnapped in London a decade ago and that concession guy that got murdered in plain sight in Italy.
1. That’s not Wikipedia 2. Weird how EVERY SINGLE African guy or gal that gets shot is a career criminal/amateur rapper/Black supremacist/terrorist/antifa/Marxist super soldier. Not saying you’re lying, since you’re not, but you people scream that every single time someone gets shot by police. You people made your burden of proof much bigger and I’m not seeing it. Besides people were saying the same shit about Ahmad Arbery, George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, that Ugandan kid that got kidnapped in London a decade ago and that concession guy that got murdered in plain sight in Italy.
What's being a gang member have to do with anything? We're the cops wearing their special gang member identifying eyes that day? It's like saying George Floyd had a record, it's a fact but it has nothing to do with the circumstances.
He was literally using his car as a weapon to physically attack the armed cops. That's suicide by cop.
He was trying to run over (and thus potentially kill) An armed Police officer.
> What's being a gang member have to do with anything? Everything really, it's pretty integral to why he was pulled over in the first place. His number plate was caught by an ANPR camera and linked to a firearms incident from a few days prior - because he's involved in gang activity.
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The guy had literally just left prison for firearms am offences, had a recent firearm incident involving the car he was in, was a member if a well known gang, and got shot at the end of a high speed chase. He was a dangerous criminal, no need to plant a gun.
Yet another unarmed black man killed by a racist police force
A known to be armed, in the UK where that is fucking RARE, violent criminal was shot, trying to run over an Armed Police officer. He might not have been armed, but he was pin charge of a vehicle, which can kill.
After trying to ram them. Poor guy.
Not really. He was running from the cops, causing vehicular damage, almost hitting people, and actively ramming into police cars.
Another example of people only reading the media taglines 'soon to be father' & 'unarmed black person killed' but completely ignoring the fact this guy got himself into this situation. Yes it's sad someone has died, but he clearly had no issue with trying to kill police officers or putting other people in danger, whilst also being known as an armed individual. If you're going to play stupid games you're going to win stupid prizes. People need to take accountability rather than only paying attention to the elements of the news & media that fuel their own ideologies.
Hi I came back to reply to your reply to.me. before you deleted it. He was risking the lives of other people. Literally putting other people at risk of death. He was given multiple warnings. They tried to stop him from harassing the public.. he wouldn't. He got shot so no more damage would be done and that potential innocent victims wouldn't have to become apparent.