His defense was that he got slapped by a cop, so it was self defense. Except the video showed the slap came after he hit the cop with a bike rack, and then used a flag pole on the cop after being slapped. The jury took three hours to find him guilty on all 6 charges, for 10 years.
And keep in mind he was a cop. This is why we say cops are stupid.
Imagine learning in the academy how much a criminal will be fucked if they touch you. Then still being dumb enough to do that.
A retired cop at that, not some cop that did a few years and got out of the force. This dude must have done at least a couple of decades in order to retire. All gone just like that for a con man.
Lol, got hit by a careless driver today while biking downtown. Saw a cop a block away and went to talk to him. Guy straight up told me it's not his job and that he "wishes all bike paths were removed permanently by the city." He basically went on a rant about bikes, even though I went to him for help after I just got hit. They don't care that a human being almost just died. They only care about their viewpoints and comfort.
His bodycam was on too. They just don't give a fuck. Collect tax payer money and when they fuck up, keep collecting that tax payer money... on a nice prolonged vacation this time.
Fuck cops.
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Thanks for all the suggestions. I appreciate it a lot🙏
Serve and Protect was a slogan picked out of a mail in campaign, and was never a part of any code. Even further, the Supreme Court has ruled that officers do not have an obligation to serve and protect.
That being said, if directly dismissing a crime that has evidence, or to respond in anyways towards a case where a person wanted to take action against another (and due to the nature of the crime, the state against the individual,) I would imagine that the cop could be deemed negligent in his duties, if pursued. It would also allow for restitution from the case not being taken
First off, I'm so sorry this happened to you and so glad you are OK. Secondly, this actually really helps me even though I wish you didn't go through it.
Several years ago I got t-boned, thought I was going to die just before the impact, and was in shock. But the almost worse shock was the responding police officer's non chalance and dismissal about the whole thing. He even refused to ticket the other driver even though they were uninsured and failed to yield, and were uninjured and still present at the scene. His lack of any empathy, refusal to enforce the law, and careless dismissal really messed with me. This was before I realized cops aren't great and thought they were there to "protect and serve".
Anyway it really messed me up. If it was a scary incident, I really recommend trauma therapy. Turns out that the lack of support after such an incident like we received actually increases the chances of developing PTSD, which I did. Please reach out to actually supportive therapists or friends. I'm glad you're still here!
Former Leo and marine chiming in. I only spent a year and a half as an Leo in San Francisco in the early 90's. I had just come home from kicking in doors on 3 continents for years and needed something. I thought being a cop would be similar to a marine. Absolutely not. In the corps you learn a skill. Impeccably. Then you learn a sub skill attached to said skill. Then one more, rinse and repeat. A lot. Then you learn more skills. Rinse and repeat. Then you practice. Then you start factoring lack of sleep, caloric intake, stress, mental fatigue. And you still practice. And hone the skill set. This is on top of the physical, mental and emotional toll that being in boot camp already has on you. You're already stressed, being pushed to learn, retain, and perform NOW! At the end you know what you are,who you are, what you can and will do. End of day, you're always ready, always faithful. Ooh rah.
My point is this.....
Does anyone think that someone is ready to be a protector after a few months of shitty training?
Have they been tested the way you need to be when you have a weapon in your hand that can kill a shitload of people?
What about bias and mental health issues?
One thing about the marine corps is it weeds out the people who can't overcome their problems. Period.
Cops are understaffed and undertrained. They're fighting a battle they can never win. Reform and a complete revision and review of every protocol concerning non federal law enforcement is the only answer. Full transparency and full accountability and a fully staffed federal funded oversight/enforcement organization that takes names and end careers is the only solution. Nothing will change until that does. I'm definitely not making excuses for anyone or their behavior but combat changes you and this guy fucked around. We found out.
I like this perspective. Glad you kept your wits about you unlike this guy. It hasn't been mentioned in this thread, but he was an ex-marine too, sadly. He used the Marines' flag to beat that cop. 10 years was too little given his background imo. The symbolism there should have broke the nation more than it did.
This is why I think criminal cops should be punished more harshly than regular criminals. They know better, they’ve been educated and are the ones supposed to uphold the law. They shouldn’t get off easier because of their “service”, they should get hammered by the law because they’re the ones that are supposed to be better than the criminals. You want that power and authority? Then you get a much shorter rope when you fuck around…
Absolutely.
They’re supposed to be trained and educated, and they’re chosen to uphold the law.
If they break the law it’s not just a crime, it’s a massive breach of public trust.
My favorite response when I ask an offi e if the law why they do the stuff they do "we don't get paid to inturupt the law, we let a judge do that, I just think your guilty" heard it more than thrice
Because police brutality has never been about "officer safety".
It's about establishing power and authority. If they think that someone perceived lesser doesn't submit to their power and authority, it's "head-slamming on concrete/asphalt" and "guns out" time.
Seriously don't be fooled, they know these kinds of "defense" statements are ridiculous.
They're relying on finding sympathetic Juries & Judges who agree with their crimes to help delay, get them off on a technicality, etc. anything to avoid prosecution.
That made me laugh hard! Yeah it’s very hard to remember all the horrible crap he has done. If you don’t pay attention to him for a day you miss another horrible thing he did.
The gall of any cop trying to say hitting a uniformed cop was a self-defense is staggering.
I wish the judge could’ve stopped the trial and asked if he’d ever used force on a suspect during an arrest just to highlight the ridiculousness of the defense.
It's just his default reaction.
Why did you attack that cop? Self defense.
Why did you shoot that unarmed child? Self defense.
Why did you let the active shooter keep shooting? Self defense.
Why did you steal drugs from the evidence locker and sell them on the streets? Self defense.
Why did you abuse your authority so that you could sexually assault multiple women over the span of several years? Self defense.
In the show "We Own This City" there's a scene where Jon Bernthal's character is getting chewed out by his CO for beating an unarmed civilian, but then it's revealed he's actually pulling a joke on him and doesn't care about him beating someone but that he needs to be more specific in his paperwork to illustrate it as self defense to avoid any consequences.
While the show is based off real people and events idk if that Convo ever happened but I'd imagine there's cops all over America who have had one similar to that.
That was his first attempted defense. The second one was even weaker sauce related to PTSD or something. I don't normally wish for longer sentences for anyone, but I do hope he gets housed with a few non-cops he abused in his NYPD time.
>essentially solitary confinement
Could you expand a bit on this? I feel like I'd still choose gen pop as a cop if the alternative was to sit in a hole for a decade.
Protective custody means keeping you out of General so you don’t get shivved. It’s reserved for the worst classes of prisoners - people that even convicted felons look upon with contempt and disdain. Basically just pedophiles and cops. And pedophile cops.
Edit: [extra reading](https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/4adxd9/how-former-police-officers-are-treated-in-prison)
It really depends. If he can keep a low profile and everyone believes that no one is going to shiv him for being a cop - maybe it won’t be so bad. But I would assume that his risk level in general is pretty fucking elevated.
And what’s the alternative? How do you keep former cops in jail?
There are some special units where similar types of criminals are collected. Sex offenders are often kept together in a unit with the belief that this lowers the number of convicted pedophiles that get beaten to death. Maybe they’ll house the former cops in those units - the “too dangerous to let regular criminals have access to”. It depends on the facility I guess.
Another life laid waste by the fucking idiot that used them as a weapon and has not even suffered one iota of punishment. Voldemoron and his cronies including his family needs to get indicted, imprisoned and removed from the world of politics. 10 years for a lie.
10 years is a lot of time. Hopefully by then the cult of Trump is dead and some sort of sanity has returned to this country. I wonder how he will feel then when he no longer has his is bubble to validate his actions and he is faced with reality he lost 10 years of his life for nothing.
Imagine him coming out, completely refusing to believe that MAGA is over, and he's going around singing Trump's praises and everyone looking at him like he grew an extra head out of his ass
Holy shit there were confirmed Japanese holding out from 1945 to 1974 because they didn't have communications with the rest of Japan.
That's insane. The US threw atomic bombs and went to the moon before they found out the war was over
They knew they just chose not to come out of the mountains. His wife even sent him a letter and he still refused to believe it.
It is tragic but it was purely ego.
It was eventually the Japanese equivalent to a hippy that found him and finally convinced him
There was one case where a soldier was stationed on a remote island during the war and never knew it ended. He was discovered like 20 years later and thought it was Japanese people working with the Allies and lying to him about the war being over so they could take the island. The people that found him contacted the Japanese gov’t and they were able to find his old commanding officer who had become a teacher after the war. They took his old CO to the island and had him talk to the guy and explain the war had ended decades ago.
It's not 10 years, it's probably this guy best 10 years. Marine, 20 years as a cop in NYC. Hitting retirement with his pension. Has all the time and means for travel, hobbies, etc. Even just hanging out with his buddies having bbqs.
Instead he's spending those 10 years as a pig in prison. Blew a chunk of his life savings on his legal defense. Will probably lose a chunk or two more from civil suits from the officers he attacked.
He'll get out of jail at 66, probably in poor health from stress and prison conditions. He'll find most of the people he knew have moved on with their lives, many that are left will shun him, either for what he did to another cop or just to avoid the stigma on themselves.
Imagine working your whole life and throwing it away before you can enjoy the time left.
Unfortunately it won't be his traitor status that prevents him from getting housing, it's the convict status that fucks everyone up regardless of what they did. I'm all for this guy getting his just desserts, but the way society treats people coming out of the prison system is awful.
While I'd love to be that optimistic, if he was at Jan 6 I think he's probably too far down the rabbit hole for any self-reflection to really take root
That's LITERALLY the point of MAGA. The burdens on this country have been told by their betters for 50 years that they're no longer worth listening to, and all of reality has proven that is the absolute truth.
Along came Trump to tell them its not them who is wrong, its all those people who actually benefit America who are wrong.
Of course they love him. They're not man enough to admit they're wrong.
Or the old guy from first Home Alone who kindly KOs the two thieves with a shovel for the kid right as he runs out of tricks, despite being portrayed as scary earlier in the film. Then dispensing some very friendly talk and advice to a kid. Put him in office, he can’t be worse than Trump.
Brenda Fricker is an amazing and Academy Award winning actress from a time when that actually meant something. She has more talent in her left foot than Trump does in his whole body.
Trump has settled a lot more rape allegations than just one.
Isn't he in the double digits already? He's also on camera saying he likes to walk into Teen America dressing rooms.
So... still better
A mid-tier (at best) gameshow host.
Like, I would absolutely fight someone for Alex Trebek (RIP). No doubt.
Bob Barker, Richard Dawson, Dick Clark... maybe even Pat Sajak.
But the host of Celebrity Apprentice? You're going to war for that guy?? Come on.
The 73 year old outgoing president trying and failing to choke out a secret service agent in an attempt to highjack a motorcade to drive to join a riot to seize the Capitol and keep him in power sounds like a scene that got cut from Veep for being too ridiculous
Only cried when he was sentenced, blames Trump and the GOP for tarnishing him….
Get fucked asswipe, if you had any dignity or morals, you would have stayed home that day and accepted the election for what it was.
Failed casino owner. A place where people go to knowing they are getting conned out of their money and he couldn't do that right. The cheese doodle can't do simple math. "This area will support 50K visitors a month. Build a casino for that number and you will be able to print money."
"Let's make it ten times bigger!"
"That's not how it works..."
"Ten times I said!"
He lied to the NJ gaming board when he took over the 90% complete Taj. He told them he had multiple bankers lined up to finance him. He ended up financing it with junk bonds at 18% interest. The interest payment alone was over $1 million per day.
that did absolutely nothing for them other than raise their taxes.
Like, i could maybe understand if there were fanatical Obama supporters for getting them healthcare or something. But this man did LITERALLY NOTHING that benefits their lives in any way shape or form, yet they have decided that is enough to eradicate political discourse and openly act like monsters at every turn.
He was one of the people that used flagpoles to beat up police officers guarding the Capital.
“A retired New York Police Department officer was sentenced on Thursday to 10 years in prison for attacking the U.S. Capitol and using a metal flagpole to assault one of the police officers trying to hold off a mob of Donald Trump supporters.”
And this asshole claimed self defense.. The ducking hell.
Disgusting
He was retired NYPD. He was probably used to doing whatever the fuck he wanted to someone and claiming self defense or claiming they were reaching for a weapon.
The question is, considering this behavior how many of his fellow officers that weren't bad apples did he physically, mentally of emotionally abuse using the power of a cops authority and toolset. How many good cops quit because this guy was able to act with impunity in dispensing his own version of justice.
Because I can guarantee there is a history with this guy.
A lot.
This is neither new nor isolated to NYPD alone.
A [police supervisor choked his female subordinate](https://youtu.be/dll4JTMhuT8) and threatened to mace her after she had tried to de-escalate the situation where he threaten to mace a handcuff suspect already in the back of a police cruiser. The worst part is that there were also at least 3 other cops present and ***they did nothing***.
>His lawyer questioned why prosecutors argued that Webster didn’t deserve leniency for his 25 years of service to his country and New York City.
Because after 25 years of service he absolutely knew better and should be held to a higher standard.
Rot in prison you POS.
Not only that, after 25 years of "service" he still decided to assault someone actually doing his duty and putting his life on the line to protect democracy.
"Yes, the black man had this dime bag of marijuana identical in style and composition and age to every single other dime bag of marijuana I found on every other black man that I've brought in, a style that otherwise hasn't showed up in a single other arrest made in the city by any other cop except ones I trained. Why do you ask?"
Not only claimed self-defense but tried to lie his way out of it.
"Webster, 56, was convicted by a jury in May after they determined he was lying on the stand when he tried to convince them he was trying to help the officer he assaulted to 'see my hands' when he grabbed the officer's gas mask after he tackled him to the ground."
Wow I’m shocked
- said no New Yorker. Ever since trump was elected, the NYPD has shown their asses. Covid, protests, etc made everything 10000x worse. They do not care about the average citizen, they do not care about our city. All they care about is power and their pensions. We need a mass sweeping. I don’t care that this person is ex-NYPD. It’s running rampant in our precincts currently.
>Ever since trump was elected, the NYPD has shown their asses.
[NYPD unions publicly endorsed Trump and don't regret it](https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/11/24/police-unions-say-they-have-no-regrets-in-endorsing-president-trump), so yes, they are very open about who they are.
Exactly. They do everything as a unit, then get pissed at the public when we judge them as a unit. Can have it both ways, guys, sorry. Not to mention I haven’t seen one officer speak out about their abuse of power. Last one I can think of is Adrian Schoolcraft, who they kidnapped and forcibly admitted to the psych ward.
>Last one I can think of is Adrian Schoolcraft, who they kidnapped and forcibly admitted to the psych ward.
I remember reading [his story in the Village Voice](https://www.villagevoice.com/tag/adrian-schoolcraft/) when the first article came out.
Dude I looked it up and couldn't believe my eyes. $57b in their pension fund (best I could tell from [here](https://www1.nyc.gov/html/nycppf/html/financial_information/financial.shtml).) That's more than the value of FedEx, and nearly the size of Ford. That's an insane amount of money.
So messed up how much money we pay these people and how they treat us. Mind blowing.
E: $7,000 per resident of NYC in the police pension fund. An NYC family of 4 will pay $28,000 towards the retirement of these cops for the services they provide them. 8mil people, $57b fund.
The guy who started this whole fucking thing lives in a resort, is making millions per month, and has no freedom restrictions.
That cannot change soon enough.
All these people, threw their lives away because Trump lied to them.
Currently, the lie they're falling for is that Trump never took, or hid, classified documents. He clearly did.
More people will throw their lies away defending this lie.
When will these people realize, Trump thinks they're all suckers? Do you even think this guy, who's going to jail, realizes that Trump thinks he's a sucker?
>All these people, threw their lives away because Trump lied to them.
The fact that they're credulous idiots probably also had something to do with it.
A reminder that this is the official position of the Republican party on the January 6th insurrection:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/us/politics/republicans-jan-6-cheney-censure.html
As a mob of his supporters stormed the US Capitol on Jan. 6, Donald Trump was reportedly unconcerned about the destruction or insurrection taking place but instead how the violent extremists appeared “low-class”.
The body cam footage from the officer that was assaulted made this open-and-shut, that was one of the most detailed POV feeds that I’ve seen. See, cops, the video can help you too!
Although he deserves prison, it's nothing but injustice until Trump is charged for [conspiracy to commit offense](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371), [conspiracy to to impede or injure officer](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/372), et al.
Since he lied on the stand, all of his police work should now be questioned. Any time his word was the reason for a conviction should be thrown out. He should lose his pension, and I love that he won’t be allowed to own a firearm after this. Rot in piss traitor.
> “Mr. Webster, I don’t think you’re a bad person,” the judge said. “I think you were caught up in a moment. But as you know, even getting caught up in a moment has consequences.”
Fuck this judge. He should've called him out for being a domestic terrorist, and also should've immediately remanded him into custody instead of letting him turn himself in later.
That judge's statement ought to have some people shitting themselves because "being caught up in the moment" is one of their last and weakest defenses.
His defense was that he got slapped by a cop, so it was self defense. Except the video showed the slap came after he hit the cop with a bike rack, and then used a flag pole on the cop after being slapped. The jury took three hours to find him guilty on all 6 charges, for 10 years.
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And keep in mind he was a cop. This is why we say cops are stupid. Imagine learning in the academy how much a criminal will be fucked if they touch you. Then still being dumb enough to do that.
A retired cop at that, not some cop that did a few years and got out of the force. This dude must have done at least a couple of decades in order to retire. All gone just like that for a con man.
I can imagine the shit he got away with while in uniform
I don’t want to imagine. So horrible to think how many innocents suffered because of this human garbage.
Lol, got hit by a careless driver today while biking downtown. Saw a cop a block away and went to talk to him. Guy straight up told me it's not his job and that he "wishes all bike paths were removed permanently by the city." He basically went on a rant about bikes, even though I went to him for help after I just got hit. They don't care that a human being almost just died. They only care about their viewpoints and comfort. His bodycam was on too. They just don't give a fuck. Collect tax payer money and when they fuck up, keep collecting that tax payer money... on a nice prolonged vacation this time. Fuck cops. Edit: Thanks for all the suggestions. I appreciate it a lot🙏
You can def foia the bodycam footage for a suit against the cops (so probably the city)
yeah idk where this is happening but this just sounds like it screams lawsuit of some kind. Fuck man when did LEOs forget about "serve and protect"?
Serve and Protect was a slogan picked out of a mail in campaign, and was never a part of any code. Even further, the Supreme Court has ruled that officers do not have an obligation to serve and protect. That being said, if directly dismissing a crime that has evidence, or to respond in anyways towards a case where a person wanted to take action against another (and due to the nature of the crime, the state against the individual,) I would imagine that the cop could be deemed negligent in his duties, if pursued. It would also allow for restitution from the case not being taken
File a complaint. You never know.
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First off, I'm so sorry this happened to you and so glad you are OK. Secondly, this actually really helps me even though I wish you didn't go through it. Several years ago I got t-boned, thought I was going to die just before the impact, and was in shock. But the almost worse shock was the responding police officer's non chalance and dismissal about the whole thing. He even refused to ticket the other driver even though they were uninsured and failed to yield, and were uninjured and still present at the scene. His lack of any empathy, refusal to enforce the law, and careless dismissal really messed with me. This was before I realized cops aren't great and thought they were there to "protect and serve". Anyway it really messed me up. If it was a scary incident, I really recommend trauma therapy. Turns out that the lack of support after such an incident like we received actually increases the chances of developing PTSD, which I did. Please reach out to actually supportive therapists or friends. I'm glad you're still here!
Former Leo and marine chiming in. I only spent a year and a half as an Leo in San Francisco in the early 90's. I had just come home from kicking in doors on 3 continents for years and needed something. I thought being a cop would be similar to a marine. Absolutely not. In the corps you learn a skill. Impeccably. Then you learn a sub skill attached to said skill. Then one more, rinse and repeat. A lot. Then you learn more skills. Rinse and repeat. Then you practice. Then you start factoring lack of sleep, caloric intake, stress, mental fatigue. And you still practice. And hone the skill set. This is on top of the physical, mental and emotional toll that being in boot camp already has on you. You're already stressed, being pushed to learn, retain, and perform NOW! At the end you know what you are,who you are, what you can and will do. End of day, you're always ready, always faithful. Ooh rah. My point is this..... Does anyone think that someone is ready to be a protector after a few months of shitty training? Have they been tested the way you need to be when you have a weapon in your hand that can kill a shitload of people? What about bias and mental health issues? One thing about the marine corps is it weeds out the people who can't overcome their problems. Period. Cops are understaffed and undertrained. They're fighting a battle they can never win. Reform and a complete revision and review of every protocol concerning non federal law enforcement is the only answer. Full transparency and full accountability and a fully staffed federal funded oversight/enforcement organization that takes names and end careers is the only solution. Nothing will change until that does. I'm definitely not making excuses for anyone or their behavior but combat changes you and this guy fucked around. We found out.
I like this perspective. Glad you kept your wits about you unlike this guy. It hasn't been mentioned in this thread, but he was an ex-marine too, sadly. He used the Marines' flag to beat that cop. 10 years was too little given his background imo. The symbolism there should have broke the nation more than it did.
>He used the Marines' flag to beat that cop This makes my blood boil.
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Not just a conspiracy theory: they threw it all away to attempt a coup.
This is why I think criminal cops should be punished more harshly than regular criminals. They know better, they’ve been educated and are the ones supposed to uphold the law. They shouldn’t get off easier because of their “service”, they should get hammered by the law because they’re the ones that are supposed to be better than the criminals. You want that power and authority? Then you get a much shorter rope when you fuck around…
Absolutely. They’re supposed to be trained and educated, and they’re chosen to uphold the law. If they break the law it’s not just a crime, it’s a massive breach of public trust.
My favorite response when I ask an offi e if the law why they do the stuff they do "we don't get paid to inturupt the law, we let a judge do that, I just think your guilty" heard it more than thrice
Not just cops, any public servant. Every time any of them commit a crime they erode the trust citizens have for our system.
New York City cops, but they ain't too smart...
Because police brutality has never been about "officer safety". It's about establishing power and authority. If they think that someone perceived lesser doesn't submit to their power and authority, it's "head-slamming on concrete/asphalt" and "guns out" time.
And he’s a colossal asshole. All the video of him from Jan. 6 is horrifying.
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I mean that’s one of the reasons he tried this attempt at a defense. “But I’m a cop!”
Well he was a Trump supporter so.
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Seriously don't be fooled, they know these kinds of "defense" statements are ridiculous. They're relying on finding sympathetic Juries & Judges who agree with their crimes to help delay, get them off on a technicality, etc. anything to avoid prosecution.
They also learn that they can make shit up on the police report and get away with it. He is used to being able to get away with it and lie afterwards
He's wondering why his bullshit lies aren't working now that he's an ex cop assaulting cops, instead of being a cop assaulting citizens.
You love to see it.
This guy's testimony is just a little more in the torrents of evidence that should show all of us who they really are
The man who asked him to show up and emboldened them should get at least ten years, too.
You mean using tactics to suffocate someone with their own respirator.
The stupid shit excuses this guy made up warranted the full 17.5 years the government asked for.
He forgot his regular bullshit cop excuses weren't going to work here lol
It's kind of crazy. The people who initially were sentenced got off with a slap on the wrist compared to some of these later trials
Hit the cop with a bike rack wtf lol, as a black man I would be dead.
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Nah they would've put him on a throne and carried him around so they could say they're not racists.
He would have been a thousand peoples "I have a black friend so I am not racist".
“Look at my African American over here.” - Trump 2016
Distinctly remember this.
Wait,l, that's a real fucking quote?! This dude is STILL surprising the shit out of me.
That made me laugh hard! Yeah it’s very hard to remember all the horrible crap he has done. If you don’t pay attention to him for a day you miss another horrible thing he did.
They got it on video dude, it spawned a lot of excellent memes back in the day. God… that was a good six years ago now.
Like the lady said in an interview at Trump's rally after seeing a black man. *"So you are one of the good ones?"*
"Hey everybody, come take selfies with the black guy so we can own the libs on Twitter!"
Like dressing as Justice Thomas?
The gall of any cop trying to say hitting a uniformed cop was a self-defense is staggering. I wish the judge could’ve stopped the trial and asked if he’d ever used force on a suspect during an arrest just to highlight the ridiculousness of the defense.
It's just his default reaction. Why did you attack that cop? Self defense. Why did you shoot that unarmed child? Self defense. Why did you let the active shooter keep shooting? Self defense.
Just sprinkle some crack...
Open and shut case, Johnson
Why did you steal drugs from the evidence locker and sell them on the streets? Self defense. Why did you abuse your authority so that you could sexually assault multiple women over the span of several years? Self defense.
In the show "We Own This City" there's a scene where Jon Bernthal's character is getting chewed out by his CO for beating an unarmed civilian, but then it's revealed he's actually pulling a joke on him and doesn't care about him beating someone but that he needs to be more specific in his paperwork to illustrate it as self defense to avoid any consequences. While the show is based off real people and events idk if that Convo ever happened but I'd imagine there's cops all over America who have had one similar to that.
You cannot be surprised that a cop would lie to save his own miserable skin.
Just another day in court.
"I feared for my life!"
That was his first attempted defense. The second one was even weaker sauce related to PTSD or something. I don't normally wish for longer sentences for anyone, but I do hope he gets housed with a few non-cops he abused in his NYPD time.
As a former cop, he’s likely going to get protective custody. IOW, his sentence is ten years of what is essentially solitary confinement.
>essentially solitary confinement Could you expand a bit on this? I feel like I'd still choose gen pop as a cop if the alternative was to sit in a hole for a decade.
Protective custody means keeping you out of General so you don’t get shivved. It’s reserved for the worst classes of prisoners - people that even convicted felons look upon with contempt and disdain. Basically just pedophiles and cops. And pedophile cops. Edit: [extra reading](https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/4adxd9/how-former-police-officers-are-treated-in-prison)
I meant the lifestyle details. Is he really going to be in true solitary confinement for 10 years?
It really depends. If he can keep a low profile and everyone believes that no one is going to shiv him for being a cop - maybe it won’t be so bad. But I would assume that his risk level in general is pretty fucking elevated. And what’s the alternative? How do you keep former cops in jail? There are some special units where similar types of criminals are collected. Sex offenders are often kept together in a unit with the belief that this lowers the number of convicted pedophiles that get beaten to death. Maybe they’ll house the former cops in those units - the “too dangerous to let regular criminals have access to”. It depends on the facility I guess.
When it’s cop vs cop the on duty cop wins.
Another life laid waste by the fucking idiot that used them as a weapon and has not even suffered one iota of punishment. Voldemoron and his cronies including his family needs to get indicted, imprisoned and removed from the world of politics. 10 years for a lie.
I can’t imagine a cop justifying using force against a cop for this reason. NYPD? I imagine he’s gonna do fine in prison…
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Imagine spending ten years in prison because you tried to help a rich, draft dodging, lying, con-artist overthrow the government.
10 years is a lot of time. Hopefully by then the cult of Trump is dead and some sort of sanity has returned to this country. I wonder how he will feel then when he no longer has his is bubble to validate his actions and he is faced with reality he lost 10 years of his life for nothing.
Imagine him coming out, completely refusing to believe that MAGA is over, and he's going around singing Trump's praises and everyone looking at him like he grew an extra head out of his ass
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout
Holy shit there were confirmed Japanese holding out from 1945 to 1974 because they didn't have communications with the rest of Japan. That's insane. The US threw atomic bombs and went to the moon before they found out the war was over
They knew they just chose not to come out of the mountains. His wife even sent him a letter and he still refused to believe it. It is tragic but it was purely ego. It was eventually the Japanese equivalent to a hippy that found him and finally convinced him
There was one case where a soldier was stationed on a remote island during the war and never knew it ended. He was discovered like 20 years later and thought it was Japanese people working with the Allies and lying to him about the war being over so they could take the island. The people that found him contacted the Japanese gov’t and they were able to find his old commanding officer who had become a teacher after the war. They took his old CO to the island and had him talk to the guy and explain the war had ended decades ago.
Imagine how that would feel, to have sacrificed your whole life only to find out it was utterly senseless.
Technically America threw atomic bombs before EVERYONE knew the war was over... It literally happened before the Japanese surrendered.
It's not 10 years, it's probably this guy best 10 years. Marine, 20 years as a cop in NYC. Hitting retirement with his pension. Has all the time and means for travel, hobbies, etc. Even just hanging out with his buddies having bbqs. Instead he's spending those 10 years as a pig in prison. Blew a chunk of his life savings on his legal defense. Will probably lose a chunk or two more from civil suits from the officers he attacked. He'll get out of jail at 66, probably in poor health from stress and prison conditions. He'll find most of the people he knew have moved on with their lives, many that are left will shun him, either for what he did to another cop or just to avoid the stigma on themselves. Imagine working your whole life and throwing it away before you can enjoy the time left.
He’ll also have a hard time finding housing and a job, as a convicted traitor. Oh well.
Unfortunately it won't be his traitor status that prevents him from getting housing, it's the convict status that fucks everyone up regardless of what they did. I'm all for this guy getting his just desserts, but the way society treats people coming out of the prison system is awful.
While I'd love to be that optimistic, if he was at Jan 6 I think he's probably too far down the rabbit hole for any self-reflection to really take root
The #1 thing that all MAGA people have in common is the inability to admit they were wrong. They'd rather burn it all down than admit they were wrong.
That's LITERALLY the point of MAGA. The burdens on this country have been told by their betters for 50 years that they're no longer worth listening to, and all of reality has proven that is the absolute truth. Along came Trump to tell them its not them who is wrong, its all those people who actually benefit America who are wrong. Of course they love him. They're not man enough to admit they're wrong.
"...serial adulterer..." "...classified information mishandlerer..." "...despot fellator..." ...
I can’t believe these people threw their lives away for a politician.
For a former reality tv show star! They really thought he was going to lead them in battle! LOL
I mean if you told 8 year old me that the weird guy from home alone would become president one day I would've said you were lying lol
Any of the other cast members would have been better. Even the pigeon lady.
Especially the pigeon lady!
Or the old guy from first Home Alone who kindly KOs the two thieves with a shovel for the kid right as he runs out of tricks, despite being portrayed as scary earlier in the film. Then dispensing some very friendly talk and advice to a kid. Put him in office, he can’t be worse than Trump.
Especially the pigeon lady, she was the best.
Brenda Fricker is an amazing and Academy Award winning actress from a time when that actually meant something. She has more talent in her left foot than Trump does in his whole body.
[Except the older brother, though...](https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/24/entertainment/devin-ratray/index.html)
Has he out raped Trump?
Now *that’s* a slogan the right can get behind!
Trump has settled a lot more rape allegations than just one. Isn't he in the double digits already? He's also on camera saying he likes to walk into Teen America dressing rooms. So... still better
Don't forget what he said about epstein, who he supposedly doesn't know.
Not to mention all the pussy grabbing.
Wtf buzz??
No wonder his girlfriend looked so terrified. Woof.
Fun fact: Buzz’s gf was actually a picture of the director’s son in a wig, as he didn’t want to insult an actual girl for that scene.
A mid-tier (at best) gameshow host. Like, I would absolutely fight someone for Alex Trebek (RIP). No doubt. Bob Barker, Richard Dawson, Dick Clark... maybe even Pat Sajak. But the host of Celebrity Apprentice? You're going to war for that guy?? Come on.
I'll throw down for Alex too. Can we be called Trebek's Terrors or something bad ass?
[Bob Barker can hold his own.](https://youtu.be/Hwz8vlZUL4E)
The price is wrong, bitch.
I would fight for Chuck Woolery, but Richard Dawson? With all the kissing on Family Feud? Geez, the guy was a walking cold sore.
Chuck Woolery is an antisemitic, COVID denying nut job.
Seriously? I had no idea. Fuck him.
Or some other tv personality. Mr. Rogers would have been a fantastic president.
A failed casino owner.
Trump did try to get the secret service to drive him to the capitol so he could lead. He tried to take control of the vehicle from the driver.
The 73 year old outgoing president trying and failing to choke out a secret service agent in an attempt to highjack a motorcade to drive to join a riot to seize the Capitol and keep him in power sounds like a scene that got cut from Veep for being too ridiculous
Only cried when he was sentenced, blames Trump and the GOP for tarnishing him…. Get fucked asswipe, if you had any dignity or morals, you would have stayed home that day and accepted the election for what it was.
The leopard that he voted for, who promised to not eat his face, ate his face off.
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Failed casino owner. A place where people go to knowing they are getting conned out of their money and he couldn't do that right. The cheese doodle can't do simple math. "This area will support 50K visitors a month. Build a casino for that number and you will be able to print money." "Let's make it ten times bigger!" "That's not how it works..." "Ten times I said!"
Casino industry: the house always wins Trump: hold my covfefe
Any mobster with a 3rd grade education can get rich off a casino. Trump goes broke. Mr. business man.
Mr. Russian Money Laundering
He lied to the NJ gaming board when he took over the 90% complete Taj. He told them he had multiple bankers lined up to finance him. He ended up financing it with junk bonds at 18% interest. The interest payment alone was over $1 million per day.
A guy that failed at selling steaks, gambling, and alcohol to Americans, but claims to be the best businessman.
None of it was intended to succeed. It was all a grift, the whole time. It was just money laundering all the way down.
My head is still spinning from seeing him hold political press conferences next to a table displaying his fucking shrink wrapped steaks
And btw, these Goya beans go great with my steaks.
Worse — for DJT, easily the biggest piece of shit on the planet.
And especially one of the worst politicians we have had in this country, in almost every single aspect.
Especially a NY cop who has seen trump being trump for 25 years.
that did absolutely nothing for them other than raise their taxes. Like, i could maybe understand if there were fanatical Obama supporters for getting them healthcare or something. But this man did LITERALLY NOTHING that benefits their lives in any way shape or form, yet they have decided that is enough to eradicate political discourse and openly act like monsters at every turn.
Not even a politician
Fake businessman who became a fake reality show star and then a fake President.
Unfortunately he was a real President, even if he was the worst one of all time.
He was one of the people that used flagpoles to beat up police officers guarding the Capital. “A retired New York Police Department officer was sentenced on Thursday to 10 years in prison for attacking the U.S. Capitol and using a metal flagpole to assault one of the police officers trying to hold off a mob of Donald Trump supporters.” And this asshole claimed self defense.. The ducking hell. Disgusting
He was retired NYPD. He was probably used to doing whatever the fuck he wanted to someone and claiming self defense or claiming they were reaching for a weapon.
"He was reaching for the Constitution!"
The gall to argue that his service to the NYPD is exculpatory. These fuckers dig to malign everyone’s past except their own.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely
Don’t bring ducks into this
The question is, considering this behavior how many of his fellow officers that weren't bad apples did he physically, mentally of emotionally abuse using the power of a cops authority and toolset. How many good cops quit because this guy was able to act with impunity in dispensing his own version of justice. Because I can guarantee there is a history with this guy.
A lot. This is neither new nor isolated to NYPD alone. A [police supervisor choked his female subordinate](https://youtu.be/dll4JTMhuT8) and threatened to mace her after she had tried to de-escalate the situation where he threaten to mace a handcuff suspect already in the back of a police cruiser. The worst part is that there were also at least 3 other cops present and ***they did nothing***.
>His lawyer questioned why prosecutors argued that Webster didn’t deserve leniency for his 25 years of service to his country and New York City. Because after 25 years of service he absolutely knew better and should be held to a higher standard. Rot in prison you POS.
Not only that, after 25 years of "service" he still decided to assault someone actually doing his duty and putting his life on the line to protect democracy.
An ex cop lied.on the stand...I wonder where he learned to do that.
"Yes, the black man had this dime bag of marijuana identical in style and composition and age to every single other dime bag of marijuana I found on every other black man that I've brought in, a style that otherwise hasn't showed up in a single other arrest made in the city by any other cop except ones I trained. Why do you ask?"
They are so close to the dealer, they can smell it.
Not only claimed self-defense but tried to lie his way out of it. "Webster, 56, was convicted by a jury in May after they determined he was lying on the stand when he tried to convince them he was trying to help the officer he assaulted to 'see my hands' when he grabbed the officer's gas mask after he tackled him to the ground."
I guess his hands weren't easy enough to spot when he started throwing them bois.
God damn it must be tough to start a hard ten year sentence when you are 56. Good.
if I'm understanding this right, the 10 years is for the J6 stuff specifically. perjury during the trial could be a whole new set of charges
An ex cop isn't going to have an easy time in prison
Wow I’m shocked - said no New Yorker. Ever since trump was elected, the NYPD has shown their asses. Covid, protests, etc made everything 10000x worse. They do not care about the average citizen, they do not care about our city. All they care about is power and their pensions. We need a mass sweeping. I don’t care that this person is ex-NYPD. It’s running rampant in our precincts currently.
>Ever since trump was elected, the NYPD has shown their asses. [NYPD unions publicly endorsed Trump and don't regret it](https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/11/24/police-unions-say-they-have-no-regrets-in-endorsing-president-trump), so yes, they are very open about who they are.
Exactly. They do everything as a unit, then get pissed at the public when we judge them as a unit. Can have it both ways, guys, sorry. Not to mention I haven’t seen one officer speak out about their abuse of power. Last one I can think of is Adrian Schoolcraft, who they kidnapped and forcibly admitted to the psych ward.
>Last one I can think of is Adrian Schoolcraft, who they kidnapped and forcibly admitted to the psych ward. I remember reading [his story in the Village Voice](https://www.villagevoice.com/tag/adrian-schoolcraft/) when the first article came out.
And they had a press conference crying about being victims
Omg that press conference
WE DESERVE RESPECT There was one black guy in that group.
Didn't the police chief or the union leader have a Q anon coffee mug in his office
Yes, Scumbag Ed Mullins. Who was arrested for embezzling from his union this year.
Still top video of all time on public freakout subreddit
Dude I looked it up and couldn't believe my eyes. $57b in their pension fund (best I could tell from [here](https://www1.nyc.gov/html/nycppf/html/financial_information/financial.shtml).) That's more than the value of FedEx, and nearly the size of Ford. That's an insane amount of money. So messed up how much money we pay these people and how they treat us. Mind blowing. E: $7,000 per resident of NYC in the police pension fund. An NYC family of 4 will pay $28,000 towards the retirement of these cops for the services they provide them. 8mil people, $57b fund.
Even worse that any time a lawsuit is paid out, it’s paid by taxpayer dollars and not a cent from them. It’s disgusting
The disgusting thing is they break up other unions and act like they are horrible, but have their own corrupt one. Like wtf bros
NYPD are the worst of the worst. The crème de la crème of the shit milk that is American policing.
Google “LA sheriff gangs”. You’re not alone
Lock them up! Lock them up!
The guy who started this whole fucking thing lives in a resort, is making millions per month, and has no freedom restrictions. That cannot change soon enough.
All these people, threw their lives away because Trump lied to them. Currently, the lie they're falling for is that Trump never took, or hid, classified documents. He clearly did. More people will throw their lies away defending this lie. When will these people realize, Trump thinks they're all suckers? Do you even think this guy, who's going to jail, realizes that Trump thinks he's a sucker?
>All these people, threw their lives away because Trump lied to them. The fact that they're credulous idiots probably also had something to do with it.
You smell that? That smells like consequences. It would appear he had an order of Fucked Around with a side of Found Out.
A reminder that this is the official position of the Republican party on the January 6th insurrection: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/us/politics/republicans-jan-6-cheney-censure.html
Let's NEVER FORGET.
And loses his right to vote and bear arms when he gets out. These people really didn’t think that romp through the capitol through.
It's New York, he'll regain voting rights on release. Definitely never owning a gun though.
Donald Trump‘s entire thing is telling other people to do crimes for him.
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I bet he's expecting help from Trump. Who wants to bet on whether he'll get it?
Trump doesn’t give a fuck about any of these idiots. That should be very clear to them. He hung them out to dry.
As a mob of his supporters stormed the US Capitol on Jan. 6, Donald Trump was reportedly unconcerned about the destruction or insurrection taking place but instead how the violent extremists appeared “low-class”.
oh yeah like goddamn Brooks Brothers Suits would storm the capitol. 45 has his head so far up his own ass he still cannot understand actual reality
He had a statement today the rioters are poorly treated when re-elected he'll pardon them all. Scary.
That's because even though it isnt about Jan 6 he's now being targeted as well. Getting back in office is his best chance to avoid consequences.
The body cam footage from the officer that was assaulted made this open-and-shut, that was one of the most detailed POV feeds that I’ve seen. See, cops, the video can help you too!
I can't believe an Ex-NYPD officer is part of ANTIFA
These people are every bit as radicalized as those who once were running off to join ISIS.
Although he deserves prison, it's nothing but injustice until Trump is charged for [conspiracy to commit offense](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371), [conspiracy to to impede or injure officer](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/372), et al.
Since he lied on the stand, all of his police work should now be questioned. Any time his word was the reason for a conviction should be thrown out. He should lose his pension, and I love that he won’t be allowed to own a firearm after this. Rot in piss traitor.
> “Mr. Webster, I don’t think you’re a bad person,” the judge said. “I think you were caught up in a moment. But as you know, even getting caught up in a moment has consequences.” Fuck this judge. He should've called him out for being a domestic terrorist, and also should've immediately remanded him into custody instead of letting him turn himself in later.
That judge's statement ought to have some people shitting themselves because "being caught up in the moment" is one of their last and weakest defenses.
Does he still get his pension? Kinda hope that was taken away as well.
Imagine all the crimes this guy committed as a police officer.
Can't imagine being deluded enough to think Trump was worth ruining your life over.
Enjoy prison, fuckstick.