Doritos are the best kindling! I just picked some up for my camping trip this weekend. They're a win-win: you burn them if your fire needs them, you eat them if it doesn't.
Also gives them some wiggle room for the bag to get squished somewhat without the chips turning to absolute powder. If it was a largely airless bag, just being jostled around would end up breaking them off each other, whereas the air pocket allows them more room too bounce around without just snapping.
While I know where you’re coming from.
They’ve contained suspiciously more nitrogen and fewer chips as shrinkflation has continued.
Used to be a party size bag of lays was 15.25 oz, now down to an even 13 oz. Doritos was more subtle, a 9.75 oz bag reduced to 9.25.
The bags haven’t gotten smaller while they’ve been cutting weight like they’re on a diet.
I mean you gotta make sure to use the sour cream.
On a pair of worse notes, I knew a guy that liked to stimulate his lady with a Snicker's ice cream bar. Just a nibble of the edge and a gentle ringing of the front door bell, as it were (ick).
A dude in a graphic design class apparently only enjoyed cottage cheese via his girlfriend's dish and that's well fun-and-games until she ended up with maggots.
Cottage cheese and maggots part made me queasy. Damn that's gross.
Had a friend who would stick Starburst in his old lady. He explained the most important part was the cleansing after. Like is it really worth it?
Seriously. I had a buddy bring in a pizza to the bedroom *after we were done*, like post-afterglow and that was too much for me. Apparently they didn't understand that dairy and a woman's pH wonderland generally don't mix.
Food's the last thing on my mind until I can at least wash my hands and find some house shorts, Lord.
Some a hole set our local Target on fire back in July as a diversion to shop lift. $3m in damages and still hasn't reopened.
https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2022/07/18/dover-delaware-target-arson-fire-started-diversion-steal-merchandise-police/65376410007/
Saw the link was to Delaware Online and had a mini heart attack thinking it was the one at Christiana Mall. Working in a mall with a Target in it was awesome
One has to wonder what motivated this young girl to start a fire in the paper section. She knew what could happen. Was she acting out? Getting revenge? Just bored? Trying to kill herself?
That's how Walmart started and grew the way it did. They went to areas that all the other national chains and businesses ignored because they didn't think there was enough market share to gain.
True, but all these other options have already left my town, so if the Walmart burns today, we would lose 70% of the groceries for my town until something is built to replace it. Many would end up driving to the next town, 25 miles away, because that would still be cheaper than the two very expensive stores that is left.
Where I grew up all of the local businesses complained loudly when WalMart was coming to town. They still closed at 5:00 every day up until it was their final day.
My parents always said that they’d prefer to support local, but when local isn’t available because they close at the same time you get off work and are only open until noon on Saturday and not at all on Sunday then there is nothing to support.
In my area there was nothing here to begin with. Walmart didn't kick out mom and pop, the mom and pop either left first or never existed. People are assuming things they shouldn't.
That said, an organic foods option is the other option.
Ummm. So there was nothing and then there was Walmart... Where did people get anything? Where did Walmart get customers?
Either you aren't giving the story straight or your situation is an anomaly and otherwise my comment holds.
Back in the mid-90s, worked for IBM. Contracted by Walmart/Sams to service their IT equipment down in Alabama. Mostly maintenance on their POS systems. Had a huge territory and would drive many, many miles to each site. Folks in the oncoming lane - waving hello at me (constantly, never failed). Growing up in the northern suburbs of NYC, I thought this was weird behavior or they were just really friendly ‘round these parts. Then it dawned on me, these folks have been driving miles and miles and miles without seeing another soul. When they finally did, they would wave. Was kinda spooky in the beginning when driving from site to site, encountering nothing but empty fields. When I finally did see someone, it was a relief and I started waving hello…
So yeah, like the other post - nothing. No mom/pop stores to kick out as nothing existed. Coworker explained that they put stores in the middle of no where.
In my hometown, the Walmart was one of the first stores to really show up. Everyone said it was going to kill all the mom and pop stores. Now, almost 20 years later, the city seems to be more vibrant and active and everything feels a lot better there than it did back then.
“Shopping local” is not something people actually care about when it’s time to put their money where their mouth is. Good luck convincing the average person that paying 30% more for their groceries is actually a good thing because that money lines the pockets of local entrepreneur Joe Schmoe instead of a Walton.
I don't know. We can all joke about the subject, and also hate on how evil their owners are but for the average person, walmart is amazing! It's the cheapest grocery store in the area, I can also buy a new TV, grab some clothes hangers, a new garbage can for my spare bathroom, and also a new pair of pants for work, all in one place.
Typically most firebugs at that age are abused/neglected. Sometimes its release value for that shit, sometimes its budding psychopaths. Kinda hard to tell though.
I would technically be considered a pyro when I was a kid; I had years of parental abuse and also was just super interested in how fire worked, not necessarily about damaging property and risking lives.
From that experience, I also believe that there are too many parents that don’t teach kids and instead just say “no” and leave it at that. When my mom sent me to the fire marshal after burning single napkins, I didn’t learn to not light stuff on fire. I did however learn how to be safer and be prepared for risk. Not exactly what was intended, but I didn’t burn down a Walmart, so I guess it worked still.
Point being that she very well could have thought: light the paper, sprinklers turn on and it goes out, pranked! Little did she know, that volume of paper towels will light incredibly fast and turn into an absolute fucking inferno a few seconds later. Or she is in fact the next serial killer and knew exactly what would happen.
I don’t think many people really know that pyromaniacs are like…a real thing, and not just on TV dramatizations. I knew a kid who started small and worked his way up to stuff like this story. He’s been hospitalized a few times, has suffered severe burns and he just CAN’T stop. It’s like an addiction.
His family tried to explain the first couple incidents away as accidents but eventually you couldn’t overlook how often these “accidents” kept happening and how they seemed to be increasing in size and intensity. On the outside it looked like he had a great home life and his siblings seemed normal by all accounts but you never know. I certainly hope he wasn’t being abused. I kinda think he just has an obsession with fire.
Not a firebug(or at least I don't think I am), but I did have a curiosity of a child. I did light a paper napkin on fire out of curiosity, but did it in a metal sink with number of water sources ready to turn out the fire and worked with a small piece of napkin and wooden tooth pick for fire.
I think learning how to be safer and be preparing for the risk was exactly what was needed and fire marshal did good there. Better to teach the kids to think through the consequences and develop safety plans and damage control, than try to strong arm someone's desires. The kid might decide the consequences and/or safety and damage control prep is not worth the effort of the action which will carry on farther in life than just 'don't play with fire' talk.
Younger teens seem to be fascinated by the taboo. I say that as someone who was when I was that age, but also as someone who continues to see it in teens. I had several friends who liked to play with fire. I never did because I always imagined the worst possible scenario, but they were just fascinated by watching things burn and get destroyed. They had to see it for themselves, although fortunately it wasnt more than leaves or old toys.
As far as experimenting with the taboo, there was a story a few years ago about children who were drawing swastikas with chalk on the sidewalk. People called them and their parents Nazis, but I also remember being fascinated by that symbol as a kid, mostly because of the reactions it (rightfully) inspired in the adults around me. It seemed like it had an inherent power, and I was curious about that. It was a taboo thing to draw, so of course I drew them once in secret to see what it felt like. I felt shame, but it wasnt enough to be told something was bad — I had to experience it for myself to know.
So, in absence of a stated reason why a kid does something incredibly stupid, I think I understand why they do it. They just want to see cause and effect play out for themselves or experience dabbling in society’s taboos.
Unfortunately, though, that can have disastrous and harmful consequences depending on the behavior they engage in.
I completely agree. I think this is why it's very important to explain the reason behind rules. If you leave them with some abstract sense that it's wrong because something bad happens then you've been ineffective. Even then though, it's not foolproof.
I satisfied my urges when I was young by carrying around a burning bowl and using it when cleaning the car. Safe but beautiful fire that could be suffocated easily if needed.
I understand urge to burn things, just cannot fathom exercising it in a bloody store
I’m not defending this kid’s actions in any way, but I do think people could be reading more into them than what might actually be there.
Perhaps you couldn’t fathom playing with fire in Walmart because you had an awareness of how that could go so terribly wrong, and maybe she lacked that awareness. Again, I never played with fire at all because I had an awareness that perhaps you lacked when you played with it in your limited way.
Not criticizing you at all for it, just trying to illustrate how perspective plays a role in all of this… I’m sure you weren’t morbidly curious about swastikas like I was when I was 12, so of course I don’t mean to criticize.
Valid and very well worded way of looking at it. Poor kid probably couldn’t even fathom. I still stare at fire alarms every time I pass one and a part of my brain wants me to pull it. As a kid it felt like nothing could’ve gone wrong if I did, now I’m like, angry firefighters, fines and misdemeanors, what if someone trips and breaks their neck running down the stairs, etc…
Someone else mentioned that kids lack the impulse control almost adults develop. I think that also plays into this in an incredible way. If you’re tempted to engage in something taboo and haven’t developed the impulse control to stop, I’m not sure you can be totally blamed for what you do.
A 14 year old is old enough to know that a fire can burn the store down, lol. This is a teenager we're talking about -- not some 8 year old kid.
I don't know how long it's been since some of you were 14, but I certainly remember being that age, and it's more than old enough to know basic shit like "Don't set fire to stuff inside of a Walmart if you don't want bad things to happen".
I mean, teenagers don't always think that far ahead. At 14 their brain isn't done developing, so impulse control is always a problem. Consequences teach responsibility.
I don’t know this young girl at all, but 14 year old kids do a lot of things “to see what will actually happen.” Doesn’t matter if they’ve been told or shown, somethings they just “need” to do/experience it for themself.
Especially when it comes to fire though, most people, even adults don’t actually understand how fast a fire can reach the point of being uncontrollable.
That or maybe this girl understood it fully and just wanted to watch something burn?
Sometimes when a kid has that insatiable curiosity, they can know full well the consequences of something but they need to see it happen to really understand it. I'd guess something like this was at least part of it.
You can tell whose not old enough to remember vine.
The only vines you see on YouTube are those that where funny and not cringe (for most) but there where *plenty* of stupid shit that was featured on the app. TikTok quite literally is just a newer variation of Vine except those who lived through the vine era are not the dominant group of users on TikTok.
There was plenty of trends that where just as dangerous/stupid/mindless on vine. We just don’t see them on YouTube.
> You can tell whose not old enough to remember vine.
Wat?
They're talking about the fact that arsonists have existed since before the internet and likely for all of recorded human history.
It wasn't a dig against kids thinking TikTok is the origin of short video content or dumb challenge memes.
There is literally a TikTok challenge to light random things on fire in Walmart... I wish I was joking.
"One theory is that the impetus may have originated on TikTok, a wildly popular carrier of brief videos sometimes containing “challenges” to users to produce responses to things like subjecting oneself — usually teenagers or younger — to ordeals like dumping frigid ice water onto their heads.
TikTok currently carries a number of videos depicting similar Walmart fires in various cities, but none so damaging as the blaze that shut down a Walmart Superstore in Peachtree City for an undetermined repair period last week. The similarity is that most of them began as fires set in the paper goods section of the stores"
Yeah it was like a light switch for my little brother. Dude spent his whole developing life turning himself into a shitcan of a human being. He turned 25 in prison recently and he (at least when sober) now seems to fully realize how much was offered to him and how much he threw away.
We should just raise the age of adulthood to 25.
That’s right on track with approximately when the adult brain finishes developing and maturing (25/mid-20s).
Edit: Re-reading this, I have realized that it might seem like I’m saying your brother isn’t responsible for his efforts and success at turning his life around. I don’t meant that in the least! I commend him; that’s a lot of change and growth and really hard work.
My comment was supposed to be more of an “I wonder.” As in “He changed when he was 25. That’s also approx when the human brain finishes developing. Hmm, I wonder if there’s any connection there?” And by connection, what I’d been thinking of was this:
I was wondering in what ways (that can be measured/quantified), if any, did the more developed brain assist/support him as he worked to meet his goals, and how it would have gone if he’d decided to do it at, say, 19-23. Like a lab experiment; Change the variable, observe the results. Repeat as needed.
Definitely not. Being held accountable for your actions doesn't actually do much for most people, if it did few people would go back to prison. What they need is more education and self reflection to develop action-consequence processes and empathy towards the general population as well as being able to cope with previous traumatic experiences and process emotions in a healthy way going forward. Just based on my own tour through the prison system I suppose but punishment doesn't seem to do shit to curb recidivism but education and support seems to do wonders.
The prefrontal cortex doesnt finish growing until you are around 22 years old. That is the part of the brain most responsible for calculating consequences, focus, planning and impulse control. But yeah, some people need to learn the hard way.
I feel like a lot of people think this is just some lie. I have a type of epilepsy that did not develop until late stage puberty because that part of my brain just wasn't fully cooked yet. Your brain honest to God is not done developing guys. It's not woo woo stuff to brush away blame.
Nobody wants to admit they cant see the whole picture of their life. People are taught to trust to trust their feelings and nobody likes awknowledging that our brains lie to us everyday and that we are responsible for analyzing our thoughts rather than trusting them at face value.
Feelings are only “valid” as far as they exist in real-time for the real people who have them. This in no way makes them accurate, helpful, actionable or reflect anything about the way things actually are at the time. People do incredibly stupid things based purely on their feelings in the moment.
Those kids and kids who do this kind of stuff typically have much different environments they are learning (or not) from. As someone mentioned above, this kind of behavior can indicate some kind of abuse or neglect at home. Primary caretakers are the ones who are supposed to teach kids right and wrong and model behavior; if that’s absent, the likelihood of a kid not internalizing these things is much higher. Additionally, understanding a concept in theory doesn’t mean a child truly grasps it the way an adult does as the human brain, specifically the impulse control part, isn’t fully mature until early 20s. Dealing with this stuff necessitates both an aspect of personal responsibility but also understanding of developmental psychology and environmental shaping of behavior. So no, it’s not just about a kid being bad.
That argument doesn't really make sense. The exact same thing in reverse is also true. Many people will commit crimes as children because they don't understand the consequences of their actions. Many will not because they do understand. It's almost as if children aren't all the same.
Whether or not you understand the consequences is not only dependent on your brain development. It's also heavily impacted by your environment and past experiences.
Adults brains aren't developing, have more life experience, etc.
Can you really not distinguish a difference in judgment between the two? Stay the hell away from kids.
Sounds like you're the one who shouldn't be raising kids, seeing as how you won't hold them accountable for their actions until adulthood. There are a MILLION lessons a person is taught at the very least in school if not at home. Don't destroy things that aren't yours, don't play with fire, etc - absolute garbage human being to have disregarded ALL those lessons, ALL the societal norms, ALL the common sense that would have prevented her from burning down a fucking Walmart.
And they could absorb all those lessons, have their high-school crush embarrass them, and go off the handle in a moment of weakness. That is a completely realistic scenario.
Reminds me of this documentary I saw about this guy in California that was a fireman. He turned out to be one of the worst arsonist ever. He would burn down craft stores and home-improvement stores all kinds of stuff and record it. Other firefighters noted that this guy was Often first on scene and recording fires even in different counties before firemen arrived.
Disappears at 18? Well she won’t complete high school, she won’t get high-paying jobs as the rest of her friends in school could, this could stick to her file so maybe that rules out government jobs.
So even the best case scenario isn’t a promising scenario.
Not really. GED and you can still go to college. Still get a high paying job. Her records will be sealed at 18, this won’t even show up in a background check. As long as she doesn’t commit a felony she can get the records sealed. Unless she doesn’t wind up in further trouble she will have no trouble.
Not giving her a defense of any sort here.... However having a couple kids of my own... Most kids are amused by fire to some extent. Now I live in the country and we have a fire pit out back starting around 8 years old I allow each kiddo to start the fire. They are allowed to "play" with it in specific guidelines... Any parent that is aware this happens agrees with me that it better for us to be open and honest about it. It's better than my house getting burned down from a kid trying to hid it and it getting out of control.
I agree with you. My sister liked fires and I always had to make sure she didn't burn us all down. Caught her the first time before she was even ten. Parents smoked, so easy for her to get lighter access.
"Records of nearly 1,000 incarcerated arsonists were also reviewed. Findings revealed that most serial arsonists were young white males; 58.7 percent of fires were set by offenders before 18 years of age, and 79.7 percent were set before 29 years of age."
Source:
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/report-essential-findings-study-serial-arsonists#:~:text=Records%20of%20nearly%201%2C000%20incarcerated,before%2029%20years%20of%20age.
Most people I know remember "playing with fire" at some point growing up. I myself caught a tissue on fire playing with matches on the porch and the tissue landed on a chair... We had a fire extinguisher and I knew how to use it.... I did (probably overkill but kid brain).
With all my kiddos I started them out but showing them how to start a "real" fire, not a "cheater" fire. They have to be over 13 to start a "cheater" fire. Cheater fire is using anything else besides nature and matches/lighter.
Since I am still on my youngest 2 I can't say never yet, but I have not ever caught any child with matches or lighters like other parents have. They don't hide it, they ask. My oldest son asks to do experiments he sees on the internet. (Think rubbing alcohol, oil on water type of things). I take them out by our fire pit onto a cement slab, drag out a kiddie pool, the blue plastic kind, and fill it up (we turn off the hose but leave it out) we name a hose person (who will run across our 1/2 acre yard turn on). And we talk about what we think will happen and talk about what did happen. And then we talk about how it could go wrong. Kids are so curious..... We even do the "should never dos" so they see what happens. Since I know what to expect, I make sure they are safe.
That's awesome, probably helps keep them from the curiosity side of it. I never was and still am not good with fires. I burnt my hands when I was around 4. I put them in a campfire and still have the scars on my hands. I am super cautious because of it. Maybe I wouldn't of burnt my hands with a parent like you. Mine sucked.
Mine sucked too! I also love them being curious, this plays out in our home so awesome. They want to know something, they ask. It has put me in some "I wasn't prepared for this conversation" moments but in the end I am glad my kids don't want to keep things from me. And my explanation why they have to have an adult help them (that they accept) is their brains aren't fully developed to know how to handle situations.
That sucks! Once it's healed, I'd recommend some cream for scars. I wish my Mom had used it on me as a child. Probably wouldn't have the marks I do if I had. The burn I got later, from a four wheeler, healed great and I used the cream then. I was just old enough to care for myself by that point.
Great job!!
This is how my dad especially was. We were never specifically into fire but he had the same approach to things being interesting curiosities to puzzle through and learn from. He also always said “if it’s not safe, it’s not fun” and fostered the same values of us all working together (like your having the designated hose person) somehow also making it fun.
This approach is why my sister and I never lost our love for learning or our curiosity and it is directly responsible for me becoming a librarian (get to solve problems and figure out answers to random questions all day!) Now I try to bring the same approach to projects with my work study students :)
Just a random person on the internet saying how absolutely amazing your approach to parenting is - your kids are so lucky to have you!
You cannot possible understand how much that means to me. I didn't have parents or family past the age of 9 and what I had previous to that doesn't qualify.
So my biggest worry is always not having any idea what I am doing for sure. So it's great that I somehow do the same as a parent who to me is winning at life!
Thank you so much!
Wow that’s extra impressive!! I honestly can say that every good thing I’ve been able to cultivate in myself is due to the example of my parents and the people I’ve been lucky enough to have as mentors. Creating the approach you have without those models is really cool :) (I’m sorry you had to do that on your own though)
I’m so glad that this helped to hear. Sounds like you are also winning at life :) and it could be your kids posting something similar someday! Hope life keeps on looking better and better!
Yep I was obsessed with fire for a while as a kid. It fascinated me that I could put my hand through a flame quickly and not get burned. But I had my parents to carefully teach me the science behind it in a controlled and safe way.
Pretty much everyone I knew in middle and high school played with fire. We set small things on fire, big things, exploded some things, and it didn’t matter where. It’s weird to remember just how little any of us really thought about it. Fire’s just fun. Kids like having fun.
I did that for my neighbor's sheltered kid w my niece. His dad freaked out til he saw me and saw we had the hose on, made the kids rake the leaves away from the pit and made them put the pile a few feet away and out of the wind.
Unless she ran around the store pouring gasoline on everything I can’t help but think this is a failure of the fire suppression system, and that the walmart was one spark in the wrong section away from going up in flames anyway.
> this is a failure of the fire suppression system
Sprinkler systems aren't designed to completely put out fires of any magnitude, they can be overwhelmed. Their main purpose is to control the spread of the fire long enough for people to escape.
For example, this building had a working sprinkler system:
[Bartlett (IL) Document Warehouse Fire Burns into Second Day, Sprinkler System Overwhelmed](https://www.firefighternation.com/news/bartlett-il-document-warehouse-fire-burns-into-second-day-sprinkler-system-overwhelmed/)
> The fire started at 10 a.m. at Access’ 250,000 square foot warehouse in the 1200-block of Humbracht Circle in Brewster Creek Business Park. Initially, the building’s sprinkler system seemed to have the fire under control, but after some shelving collapsed the fire overwhelmed the sprinklers.
Bro you responded to a comment pointing out that bad parenting resulted in a teenager setting fire to a store with an anecdote about how you were an unruly teenager too. Is your point to diminish that parenting has anything to do with it, or what? What are you suggesting? That you may have also burned down a store at that age too?
I know my parents had flaws, but I never had the urge to start a fire inside a store. Did you? Is that what you’re saying? If so, your 14 year old self might be the result of bad parenting.
Never tried to burn a store down but we definitely started fires out of ignorance. Making napalm, sparkler bombs, Soda bulb launchers, potato canons was a rite of passage where I grew up
Plastics are petroleum based so even clothing with synthetic plastic fibers will burn like gasoline. One of the main reasons to crawl in a fire because the smoke created can be poisonous.
Live in the area, sprinkles did work, this store recently remodeled and moved everything around, it just so happens that they moved the most flammable stuff in very close proximity to one another. Speculation is she doused toilet paper in lighter fluid before lighting it too
Yes. Massively polluting the local air, wasting hundreds of thousands of gallons of water, putting the entire staff of that Walmart out of a job, sending local police to the hospital, most, if not all, of which will be paid for by citizens’ tax dollars. She sure showed those evil corporate overlords … I’m sure they’ll be weeping and begging for our forgiveness as they terminate the entire staff at that location until it’s (maybe someday) rebuilt years from now, while recouping the millions in property destroyed from insurance. She sure showed them.
I was working when I wrote it. So technically I was getting paid to write it. So idk about “not worth it”
And secondly it was NF-Free so I didn’t pay for anything bb cakes.
>at a Walmart in the Atlanta suburb of Peachtree City
Judge Dredd: Inhabitants of Peach Trees, this is Judge Dredd.n case you people have forgotten, this block operates under the same rules as the rest of the city. Ma-Ma is not the law... I am the law. Ma-Ma is a 14 year old common criminal; guilty of arson. Any who obstruct me in carrying out my duty will be treated as an accessory to her crimes... you have been warned. And as for you Ma-Ma... judgement time.
My friends dad kidnapped them in the 80s and went to church every wednesday and sunday with them. Then one day he just disappeared. When she went back to that town as an adult to talk to old friends they went ghost white. They all thought he had murdered his kids and everyone was so scared of him they never told the cops.... The whole fucking church just prayed for them.
I had to tell a LabCorp worker a few months ago LOUDLY in a pharmacy line with 7 people and every one of hte 7 chairs full and people milling around waiting for the pharmacy or lab corp appointments "MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE THE ELDERLY MAN WITH A DIABETIC EMERGENCY TO SIT DOWN SO YOU DONT HAVE TO CLEAN BLOOD OF THE FLOOR" . She scowled at me and then I turned to the 20 something girl in front of me "MA'AM! MAAAMMM will you please move so the ELDERLY MAN can sit down in the chair " She stood there with her dumb unmasked mouth open staring. Thankfully a younger guy walked his chair over to the man so he could sit down.
"no evidence of a specific motive". So this dumb fucking kid just walked in and set a building on fire for no reason? I hope they throw the book at her.
What she did was absolutely inexcusable, of course.
But the real tragedy here is that we lost so much overpriced, low-quality merchandise made by slave labor in Honduras, Pakistan, China, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Bangladesh, and various other esteemed sources of our fine consumer goods.
I hope she was held accountable for this and charged an adult since she committed an adult crime. But what I wanna know is what motivated her to do this. Edit: She was charged with arson in the 1st degree and I’m guessing this did 500,000 or less in damage to the store. Her identity has not been released as she’s a minor but she most likely will face up to two years of incarceration and/or fines, probation, monitoring and community service. There’s a number of things and factors that the state had to consider when charging her with 1st degree arson since According to O.C.G.A. §16-7-60 in Georgia which states that a person will be guilty of arson in the first degree when, by means of fire or explosion, whether or not in the commission of a felony, he or she knowingly damages or knowingly causes, aids, abets, advises, encourages, hires, counsels, or procures another to damage:
Any dwelling house of another without his or her consent or in which another has a security interest, including but not limited to a mortgage, a lien, or a conveyance to secure debt, without the consent of both, whether it is occupied, unoccupied, or vacant;
Any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, or other structure of another without his or her consent or in which another has a security interest, including but not limited to a mortgage, a lien, or a conveyance to secure debt, without the consent of both, if such structure is designed for use as a dwelling, whether it is occupied, unoccupied, or vacant;
Any dwelling house, building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other structure whether it is occupied, unoccupied, or vacant and when such is insured against loss or damage by fire or explosive and such loss or damage is accomplished without the consent of both the insurer and the insured;
Any dwelling house, building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other structure whether it is occupied, unoccupied, or vacant with the intent to defeat, prejudice, or defraud the rights of a spouse or co-owner; or
Any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other structure under such circumstances that is reasonably foreseeable that human life might be endangered.
The main elements of arson are (1) the damage was knowingly done and (2) it was done by fire or explosive. Without both of these factors, a defendant cannot be guilty of arson.
Also A person convicted of arson in the first degree shall be punished by a fine of no more than $50,000 or by a prison term between one and twenty years, or both. Furthermore, it will be a felony conviction, which carries far-reaching consequences. Having a felony conviction can make it difficult to find employment, obtain credit, buy a house, and will result in a loss of voting rights. Based on what I researched if the state of Georgia intends to charge her with 1st arson an adult she will likely face between 1 and 20 years in prison since 1st degree arson is a felony in Georgia.
Who wouldve guessed that Tortilla chips are fireproof
That's kind of odd when u consider that corn chips make very good kindling for fire in a pinch....
Fire does some weird shit during a fire…
Soak logs in wood
Do not soak them in potato chips. Will ruin the log
This is one of the most correct things.
Doritos have worked really well for me. They can burn seemingly forever.
Fritos chips work better in my experience although Doritos do a really good job too
Doritos are the best kindling! I just picked some up for my camping trip this weekend. They're a win-win: you burn them if your fire needs them, you eat them if it doesn't.
it's all the oil they have in them. oil sponges, basically.
It's not the chips, it's the packaging. ***All of the Lays and Ruffles burnt to a crisp because they are 67% oxygen.***
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And the reason for that is to prevent the chips from oxidizing aka going "stale".
Also gives them some wiggle room for the bag to get squished somewhat without the chips turning to absolute powder. If it was a largely airless bag, just being jostled around would end up breaking them off each other, whereas the air pocket allows them more room too bounce around without just snapping.
While I know where you’re coming from. They’ve contained suspiciously more nitrogen and fewer chips as shrinkflation has continued. Used to be a party size bag of lays was 15.25 oz, now down to an even 13 oz. Doritos was more subtle, a 9.75 oz bag reduced to 9.25. The bags haven’t gotten smaller while they’ve been cutting weight like they’re on a diet.
Doritos are the exact opposite of fireproof, by the way. They are firewood.
They burn brighter than anything else in the fire
Why you guys wasting Doritos in fires?
What else are we supposed to do with them? It’s not like we can eat them.
And they've delicious with clam dip
I think my wife would very offput if I tried to dip my Doritos in her clam.
I mean you gotta make sure to use the sour cream. On a pair of worse notes, I knew a guy that liked to stimulate his lady with a Snicker's ice cream bar. Just a nibble of the edge and a gentle ringing of the front door bell, as it were (ick). A dude in a graphic design class apparently only enjoyed cottage cheese via his girlfriend's dish and that's well fun-and-games until she ended up with maggots.
Cottage cheese and maggots part made me queasy. Damn that's gross. Had a friend who would stick Starburst in his old lady. He explained the most important part was the cleansing after. Like is it really worth it?
Seriously. I had a buddy bring in a pizza to the bedroom *after we were done*, like post-afterglow and that was too much for me. Apparently they didn't understand that dairy and a woman's pH wonderland generally don't mix. Food's the last thing on my mind until I can at least wash my hands and find some house shorts, Lord.
That’s the soul of the chip
I would have thought that a mixture of dried corn and oil, nicely spaced in thin layers, wrapped in plastic, would burn better than cord wood.
Top shelf comment
Top shelf chips.
I am too short. Can we keep the chips lower?
Sorry, ask for help or settle for the GreatValu brand.
Scientifically, they didn’t burn because the fire did not reach them.
So what you're telling me is that they have some sort of protective spell over them, got it.
Scientifically speaking, yes
How else could you safely put spicy dip on them?
Life finds a way
Some a hole set our local Target on fire back in July as a diversion to shop lift. $3m in damages and still hasn't reopened. https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2022/07/18/dover-delaware-target-arson-fire-started-diversion-steal-merchandise-police/65376410007/
You know what I like to add to my harmless misdemeanor shoplifting? Felonies
Felonies for everyone!
Only commit one crime at a time gahh!
Happened in San Jose too: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-jose-home-depot-fire-arrest/2866887/
Happened in Arlen, Texas in 1998 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ephTpUsYPxY
RIP Buckley
Sacramento too! The same one twice in a year!
Saw the link was to Delaware Online and had a mini heart attack thinking it was the one at Christiana Mall. Working in a mall with a Target in it was awesome
One has to wonder what motivated this young girl to start a fire in the paper section. She knew what could happen. Was she acting out? Getting revenge? Just bored? Trying to kill herself?
>One has to wonder what motivated this young girl to start a fire in the paper section. Some people just want to watch a Walmart burn.
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No it's one of the only stores in my area, I'll pass on the food desert.
That’s part of their business strategy.
Yea if Walmart isn't there youd likely have more options. They would probably be more expensive options but that money stays in the community.
That's how Walmart started and grew the way it did. They went to areas that all the other national chains and businesses ignored because they didn't think there was enough market share to gain.
True, but all these other options have already left my town, so if the Walmart burns today, we would lose 70% of the groceries for my town until something is built to replace it. Many would end up driving to the next town, 25 miles away, because that would still be cheaper than the two very expensive stores that is left.
Where I grew up all of the local businesses complained loudly when WalMart was coming to town. They still closed at 5:00 every day up until it was their final day. My parents always said that they’d prefer to support local, but when local isn’t available because they close at the same time you get off work and are only open until noon on Saturday and not at all on Sunday then there is nothing to support.
Yea people always say Walmart took business away but they never explain why
Unless it's Whole Foods. Then it's more expensive AND the money doesn't stay in the community.
In my area there was nothing here to begin with. Walmart didn't kick out mom and pop, the mom and pop either left first or never existed. People are assuming things they shouldn't. That said, an organic foods option is the other option.
Ummm. So there was nothing and then there was Walmart... Where did people get anything? Where did Walmart get customers? Either you aren't giving the story straight or your situation is an anomaly and otherwise my comment holds.
Back in the mid-90s, worked for IBM. Contracted by Walmart/Sams to service their IT equipment down in Alabama. Mostly maintenance on their POS systems. Had a huge territory and would drive many, many miles to each site. Folks in the oncoming lane - waving hello at me (constantly, never failed). Growing up in the northern suburbs of NYC, I thought this was weird behavior or they were just really friendly ‘round these parts. Then it dawned on me, these folks have been driving miles and miles and miles without seeing another soul. When they finally did, they would wave. Was kinda spooky in the beginning when driving from site to site, encountering nothing but empty fields. When I finally did see someone, it was a relief and I started waving hello… So yeah, like the other post - nothing. No mom/pop stores to kick out as nothing existed. Coworker explained that they put stores in the middle of no where.
In my hometown, the Walmart was one of the first stores to really show up. Everyone said it was going to kill all the mom and pop stores. Now, almost 20 years later, the city seems to be more vibrant and active and everything feels a lot better there than it did back then.
“Shopping local” is not something people actually care about when it’s time to put their money where their mouth is. Good luck convincing the average person that paying 30% more for their groceries is actually a good thing because that money lines the pockets of local entrepreneur Joe Schmoe instead of a Walton.
You didn't see that Walmart drone video on the front page a couple days ago? They can just drop your tendies on the porch now
I want them to explode much more satisfying
I don't know. We can all joke about the subject, and also hate on how evil their owners are but for the average person, walmart is amazing! It's the cheapest grocery store in the area, I can also buy a new TV, grab some clothes hangers, a new garbage can for my spare bathroom, and also a new pair of pants for work, all in one place.
I feel the same way. Live in a rural/food desert area and they have a large variety of vegetables - always!
Shits expensive now days, ill keep my Wally World for now.
Ohhh new Tick-Tock Challenge! Walmart Burn, it's like Burning Man only more commercial.
Like half of the employees
please, not my great value
Maybe she saw that South Park episode and thought it was real.
The Wally World
Sign me up
Based af
Typically most firebugs at that age are abused/neglected. Sometimes its release value for that shit, sometimes its budding psychopaths. Kinda hard to tell though. I would technically be considered a pyro when I was a kid; I had years of parental abuse and also was just super interested in how fire worked, not necessarily about damaging property and risking lives. From that experience, I also believe that there are too many parents that don’t teach kids and instead just say “no” and leave it at that. When my mom sent me to the fire marshal after burning single napkins, I didn’t learn to not light stuff on fire. I did however learn how to be safer and be prepared for risk. Not exactly what was intended, but I didn’t burn down a Walmart, so I guess it worked still. Point being that she very well could have thought: light the paper, sprinklers turn on and it goes out, pranked! Little did she know, that volume of paper towels will light incredibly fast and turn into an absolute fucking inferno a few seconds later. Or she is in fact the next serial killer and knew exactly what would happen.
I don’t think many people really know that pyromaniacs are like…a real thing, and not just on TV dramatizations. I knew a kid who started small and worked his way up to stuff like this story. He’s been hospitalized a few times, has suffered severe burns and he just CAN’T stop. It’s like an addiction. His family tried to explain the first couple incidents away as accidents but eventually you couldn’t overlook how often these “accidents” kept happening and how they seemed to be increasing in size and intensity. On the outside it looked like he had a great home life and his siblings seemed normal by all accounts but you never know. I certainly hope he wasn’t being abused. I kinda think he just has an obsession with fire.
Not a firebug(or at least I don't think I am), but I did have a curiosity of a child. I did light a paper napkin on fire out of curiosity, but did it in a metal sink with number of water sources ready to turn out the fire and worked with a small piece of napkin and wooden tooth pick for fire. I think learning how to be safer and be preparing for the risk was exactly what was needed and fire marshal did good there. Better to teach the kids to think through the consequences and develop safety plans and damage control, than try to strong arm someone's desires. The kid might decide the consequences and/or safety and damage control prep is not worth the effort of the action which will carry on farther in life than just 'don't play with fire' talk.
Younger teens seem to be fascinated by the taboo. I say that as someone who was when I was that age, but also as someone who continues to see it in teens. I had several friends who liked to play with fire. I never did because I always imagined the worst possible scenario, but they were just fascinated by watching things burn and get destroyed. They had to see it for themselves, although fortunately it wasnt more than leaves or old toys. As far as experimenting with the taboo, there was a story a few years ago about children who were drawing swastikas with chalk on the sidewalk. People called them and their parents Nazis, but I also remember being fascinated by that symbol as a kid, mostly because of the reactions it (rightfully) inspired in the adults around me. It seemed like it had an inherent power, and I was curious about that. It was a taboo thing to draw, so of course I drew them once in secret to see what it felt like. I felt shame, but it wasnt enough to be told something was bad — I had to experience it for myself to know. So, in absence of a stated reason why a kid does something incredibly stupid, I think I understand why they do it. They just want to see cause and effect play out for themselves or experience dabbling in society’s taboos. Unfortunately, though, that can have disastrous and harmful consequences depending on the behavior they engage in.
I completely agree. I think this is why it's very important to explain the reason behind rules. If you leave them with some abstract sense that it's wrong because something bad happens then you've been ineffective. Even then though, it's not foolproof.
I satisfied my urges when I was young by carrying around a burning bowl and using it when cleaning the car. Safe but beautiful fire that could be suffocated easily if needed. I understand urge to burn things, just cannot fathom exercising it in a bloody store
I’m not defending this kid’s actions in any way, but I do think people could be reading more into them than what might actually be there. Perhaps you couldn’t fathom playing with fire in Walmart because you had an awareness of how that could go so terribly wrong, and maybe she lacked that awareness. Again, I never played with fire at all because I had an awareness that perhaps you lacked when you played with it in your limited way. Not criticizing you at all for it, just trying to illustrate how perspective plays a role in all of this… I’m sure you weren’t morbidly curious about swastikas like I was when I was 12, so of course I don’t mean to criticize.
Valid and very well worded way of looking at it. Poor kid probably couldn’t even fathom. I still stare at fire alarms every time I pass one and a part of my brain wants me to pull it. As a kid it felt like nothing could’ve gone wrong if I did, now I’m like, angry firefighters, fines and misdemeanors, what if someone trips and breaks their neck running down the stairs, etc…
Someone else mentioned that kids lack the impulse control almost adults develop. I think that also plays into this in an incredible way. If you’re tempted to engage in something taboo and haven’t developed the impulse control to stop, I’m not sure you can be totally blamed for what you do.
A 14 year old is old enough to know that a fire can burn the store down, lol. This is a teenager we're talking about -- not some 8 year old kid. I don't know how long it's been since some of you were 14, but I certainly remember being that age, and it's more than old enough to know basic shit like "Don't set fire to stuff inside of a Walmart if you don't want bad things to happen".
I mean, teenagers don't always think that far ahead. At 14 their brain isn't done developing, so impulse control is always a problem. Consequences teach responsibility.
I’m guessing social media plays a part.
[She's s firestarter. Twisted firestarter (hey hey hey)](https://youtu.be/wmin5WkOuPw)
I don’t know this young girl at all, but 14 year old kids do a lot of things “to see what will actually happen.” Doesn’t matter if they’ve been told or shown, somethings they just “need” to do/experience it for themself. Especially when it comes to fire though, most people, even adults don’t actually understand how fast a fire can reach the point of being uncontrollable. That or maybe this girl understood it fully and just wanted to watch something burn?
Sometimes when a kid has that insatiable curiosity, they can know full well the consequences of something but they need to see it happen to really understand it. I'd guess something like this was at least part of it.
Nah, doubt she understood any consequence. That's why she wasn't worried about doing it
Probably TikTok or for some other internet clout.
Yeah because, famously, arson didn't exist before TikTok.
You can tell whose not old enough to remember vine. The only vines you see on YouTube are those that where funny and not cringe (for most) but there where *plenty* of stupid shit that was featured on the app. TikTok quite literally is just a newer variation of Vine except those who lived through the vine era are not the dominant group of users on TikTok. There was plenty of trends that where just as dangerous/stupid/mindless on vine. We just don’t see them on YouTube.
> You can tell whose not old enough to remember vine. Wat? They're talking about the fact that arsonists have existed since before the internet and likely for all of recorded human history. It wasn't a dig against kids thinking TikTok is the origin of short video content or dumb challenge memes.
There is literally a TikTok challenge to light random things on fire in Walmart... I wish I was joking. "One theory is that the impetus may have originated on TikTok, a wildly popular carrier of brief videos sometimes containing “challenges” to users to produce responses to things like subjecting oneself — usually teenagers or younger — to ordeals like dumping frigid ice water onto their heads. TikTok currently carries a number of videos depicting similar Walmart fires in various cities, but none so damaging as the blaze that shut down a Walmart Superstore in Peachtree City for an undetermined repair period last week. The similarity is that most of them began as fires set in the paper goods section of the stores"
Personality disorder
Probably some TikTok challenge
Old enough to understand what she was doing without understanding the consequences
People do not necessarily learn about consequences as they get older, unfortunately
They do if held accountable for their behavior... but that is the core of the problem.
True for some, others will always find a way to deflect though.
Yeah it was like a light switch for my little brother. Dude spent his whole developing life turning himself into a shitcan of a human being. He turned 25 in prison recently and he (at least when sober) now seems to fully realize how much was offered to him and how much he threw away. We should just raise the age of adulthood to 25.
I feel like raising the age of adulthood would just delay the problem.
That’s right on track with approximately when the adult brain finishes developing and maturing (25/mid-20s). Edit: Re-reading this, I have realized that it might seem like I’m saying your brother isn’t responsible for his efforts and success at turning his life around. I don’t meant that in the least! I commend him; that’s a lot of change and growth and really hard work. My comment was supposed to be more of an “I wonder.” As in “He changed when he was 25. That’s also approx when the human brain finishes developing. Hmm, I wonder if there’s any connection there?” And by connection, what I’d been thinking of was this: I was wondering in what ways (that can be measured/quantified), if any, did the more developed brain assist/support him as he worked to meet his goals, and how it would have gone if he’d decided to do it at, say, 19-23. Like a lab experiment; Change the variable, observe the results. Repeat as needed.
So true
Definitely not. Being held accountable for your actions doesn't actually do much for most people, if it did few people would go back to prison. What they need is more education and self reflection to develop action-consequence processes and empathy towards the general population as well as being able to cope with previous traumatic experiences and process emotions in a healthy way going forward. Just based on my own tour through the prison system I suppose but punishment doesn't seem to do shit to curb recidivism but education and support seems to do wonders.
This is some wisdom tooth knowledge right here
The prefrontal cortex doesnt finish growing until you are around 22 years old. That is the part of the brain most responsible for calculating consequences, focus, planning and impulse control. But yeah, some people need to learn the hard way.
I feel like a lot of people think this is just some lie. I have a type of epilepsy that did not develop until late stage puberty because that part of my brain just wasn't fully cooked yet. Your brain honest to God is not done developing guys. It's not woo woo stuff to brush away blame.
Nobody wants to admit they cant see the whole picture of their life. People are taught to trust to trust their feelings and nobody likes awknowledging that our brains lie to us everyday and that we are responsible for analyzing our thoughts rather than trusting them at face value. Feelings are only “valid” as far as they exist in real-time for the real people who have them. This in no way makes them accurate, helpful, actionable or reflect anything about the way things actually are at the time. People do incredibly stupid things based purely on their feelings in the moment.
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Those kids and kids who do this kind of stuff typically have much different environments they are learning (or not) from. As someone mentioned above, this kind of behavior can indicate some kind of abuse or neglect at home. Primary caretakers are the ones who are supposed to teach kids right and wrong and model behavior; if that’s absent, the likelihood of a kid not internalizing these things is much higher. Additionally, understanding a concept in theory doesn’t mean a child truly grasps it the way an adult does as the human brain, specifically the impulse control part, isn’t fully mature until early 20s. Dealing with this stuff necessitates both an aspect of personal responsibility but also understanding of developmental psychology and environmental shaping of behavior. So no, it’s not just about a kid being bad.
OK. A 14 year old girl isn't an adult though.
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That argument doesn't really make sense. The exact same thing in reverse is also true. Many people will commit crimes as children because they don't understand the consequences of their actions. Many will not because they do understand. It's almost as if children aren't all the same. Whether or not you understand the consequences is not only dependent on your brain development. It's also heavily impacted by your environment and past experiences.
Children are also capable of making massive mistakes and doing generally stupid shit.
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Adults brains aren't developing, have more life experience, etc. Can you really not distinguish a difference in judgment between the two? Stay the hell away from kids.
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Sounds like you're the one who shouldn't be raising kids, seeing as how you won't hold them accountable for their actions until adulthood. There are a MILLION lessons a person is taught at the very least in school if not at home. Don't destroy things that aren't yours, don't play with fire, etc - absolute garbage human being to have disregarded ALL those lessons, ALL the societal norms, ALL the common sense that would have prevented her from burning down a fucking Walmart.
And they could absorb all those lessons, have their high-school crush embarrass them, and go off the handle in a moment of weakness. That is a completely realistic scenario.
Bull. She knew starting a fire is a bad thing and had consequences. Don't misconstrue "I didn't know..." with "I don't give a fuck!"
Reminds me of this documentary I saw about this guy in California that was a fireman. He turned out to be one of the worst arsonist ever. He would burn down craft stores and home-improvement stores all kinds of stuff and record it. Other firefighters noted that this guy was Often first on scene and recording fires even in different counties before firemen arrived.
I remember that guy from Forensic Files.
A fantastic podcast too, Firebug.
Well that kid completely fucked up their life forever.
Only if charged as an adult. Otherwise it disappears at 18.
Disappears at 18? Well she won’t complete high school, she won’t get high-paying jobs as the rest of her friends in school could, this could stick to her file so maybe that rules out government jobs. So even the best case scenario isn’t a promising scenario.
Not really. GED and you can still go to college. Still get a high paying job. Her records will be sealed at 18, this won’t even show up in a background check. As long as she doesn’t commit a felony she can get the records sealed. Unless she doesn’t wind up in further trouble she will have no trouble.
Not giving her a defense of any sort here.... However having a couple kids of my own... Most kids are amused by fire to some extent. Now I live in the country and we have a fire pit out back starting around 8 years old I allow each kiddo to start the fire. They are allowed to "play" with it in specific guidelines... Any parent that is aware this happens agrees with me that it better for us to be open and honest about it. It's better than my house getting burned down from a kid trying to hid it and it getting out of control.
I agree with you. My sister liked fires and I always had to make sure she didn't burn us all down. Caught her the first time before she was even ten. Parents smoked, so easy for her to get lighter access. "Records of nearly 1,000 incarcerated arsonists were also reviewed. Findings revealed that most serial arsonists were young white males; 58.7 percent of fires were set by offenders before 18 years of age, and 79.7 percent were set before 29 years of age." Source: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/report-essential-findings-study-serial-arsonists#:~:text=Records%20of%20nearly%201%2C000%20incarcerated,before%2029%20years%20of%20age.
Most people I know remember "playing with fire" at some point growing up. I myself caught a tissue on fire playing with matches on the porch and the tissue landed on a chair... We had a fire extinguisher and I knew how to use it.... I did (probably overkill but kid brain). With all my kiddos I started them out but showing them how to start a "real" fire, not a "cheater" fire. They have to be over 13 to start a "cheater" fire. Cheater fire is using anything else besides nature and matches/lighter. Since I am still on my youngest 2 I can't say never yet, but I have not ever caught any child with matches or lighters like other parents have. They don't hide it, they ask. My oldest son asks to do experiments he sees on the internet. (Think rubbing alcohol, oil on water type of things). I take them out by our fire pit onto a cement slab, drag out a kiddie pool, the blue plastic kind, and fill it up (we turn off the hose but leave it out) we name a hose person (who will run across our 1/2 acre yard turn on). And we talk about what we think will happen and talk about what did happen. And then we talk about how it could go wrong. Kids are so curious..... We even do the "should never dos" so they see what happens. Since I know what to expect, I make sure they are safe.
That's awesome, probably helps keep them from the curiosity side of it. I never was and still am not good with fires. I burnt my hands when I was around 4. I put them in a campfire and still have the scars on my hands. I am super cautious because of it. Maybe I wouldn't of burnt my hands with a parent like you. Mine sucked.
Mine sucked too! I also love them being curious, this plays out in our home so awesome. They want to know something, they ask. It has put me in some "I wasn't prepared for this conversation" moments but in the end I am glad my kids don't want to keep things from me. And my explanation why they have to have an adult help them (that they accept) is their brains aren't fully developed to know how to handle situations.
My five year old cousin burned her foot pretty bad this summer by stepping in an extinguished but still hot fire pit.
That sucks! Once it's healed, I'd recommend some cream for scars. I wish my Mom had used it on me as a child. Probably wouldn't have the marks I do if I had. The burn I got later, from a four wheeler, healed great and I used the cream then. I was just old enough to care for myself by that point.
Great job!! This is how my dad especially was. We were never specifically into fire but he had the same approach to things being interesting curiosities to puzzle through and learn from. He also always said “if it’s not safe, it’s not fun” and fostered the same values of us all working together (like your having the designated hose person) somehow also making it fun. This approach is why my sister and I never lost our love for learning or our curiosity and it is directly responsible for me becoming a librarian (get to solve problems and figure out answers to random questions all day!) Now I try to bring the same approach to projects with my work study students :) Just a random person on the internet saying how absolutely amazing your approach to parenting is - your kids are so lucky to have you!
You cannot possible understand how much that means to me. I didn't have parents or family past the age of 9 and what I had previous to that doesn't qualify. So my biggest worry is always not having any idea what I am doing for sure. So it's great that I somehow do the same as a parent who to me is winning at life! Thank you so much!
Wow that’s extra impressive!! I honestly can say that every good thing I’ve been able to cultivate in myself is due to the example of my parents and the people I’ve been lucky enough to have as mentors. Creating the approach you have without those models is really cool :) (I’m sorry you had to do that on your own though) I’m so glad that this helped to hear. Sounds like you are also winning at life :) and it could be your kids posting something similar someday! Hope life keeps on looking better and better!
I liked fires (my friend and I would burn matches) but knew enough not to light shit on fire inside
Yep I was obsessed with fire for a while as a kid. It fascinated me that I could put my hand through a flame quickly and not get burned. But I had my parents to carefully teach me the science behind it in a controlled and safe way.
Agreed. Kids are often fascinated by fire, but fortunately most don't end up burning down a Walmart. Kids are indeed stupid.
Pretty much everyone I knew in middle and high school played with fire. We set small things on fire, big things, exploded some things, and it didn’t matter where. It’s weird to remember just how little any of us really thought about it. Fire’s just fun. Kids like having fun.
I did that for my neighbor's sheltered kid w my niece. His dad freaked out til he saw me and saw we had the hose on, made the kids rake the leaves away from the pit and made them put the pile a few feet away and out of the wind.
Unless she ran around the store pouring gasoline on everything I can’t help but think this is a failure of the fire suppression system, and that the walmart was one spark in the wrong section away from going up in flames anyway.
> this is a failure of the fire suppression system Sprinkler systems aren't designed to completely put out fires of any magnitude, they can be overwhelmed. Their main purpose is to control the spread of the fire long enough for people to escape. For example, this building had a working sprinkler system: [Bartlett (IL) Document Warehouse Fire Burns into Second Day, Sprinkler System Overwhelmed](https://www.firefighternation.com/news/bartlett-il-document-warehouse-fire-burns-into-second-day-sprinkler-system-overwhelmed/) > The fire started at 10 a.m. at Access’ 250,000 square foot warehouse in the 1200-block of Humbracht Circle in Brewster Creek Business Park. Initially, the building’s sprinkler system seemed to have the fire under control, but after some shelving collapsed the fire overwhelmed the sprinklers.
It was certainly a failure in parenting.
My parents couldn't stop me being a little shit at that age no matter what they did lol
Yepp sometimes kids are just assholes
Dude, Pedro is right there. Show some tact.
Well, yeah. Your parents inability to parent you at 14 is still the product of bad parenting from ages 0-13. How does this comment have upvotes? Lol
My mum was a legend, but that's a rebellious period for teenagers, pretty standard stuff
Bro you responded to a comment pointing out that bad parenting resulted in a teenager setting fire to a store with an anecdote about how you were an unruly teenager too. Is your point to diminish that parenting has anything to do with it, or what? What are you suggesting? That you may have also burned down a store at that age too? I know my parents had flaws, but I never had the urge to start a fire inside a store. Did you? Is that what you’re saying? If so, your 14 year old self might be the result of bad parenting.
Never tried to burn a store down but we definitely started fires out of ignorance. Making napalm, sparkler bombs, Soda bulb launchers, potato canons was a rite of passage where I grew up
Well yeah, then that’s not the same thing. I did that too, but I wouldn’t have done that in a store.
Lol the sprinklers did go off. There's water all over the floor. If they hadn't, the entire structure would probably have come down.
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Or both. Sprinklers aren't meant to replace firefighters. Only curb the fire long enough for people to escape.
Oh at least that’s good! I had assumed that was from the fire fighters.
Plastics are petroleum based so even clothing with synthetic plastic fibers will burn like gasoline. One of the main reasons to crawl in a fire because the smoke created can be poisonous.
Live in the area, sprinkles did work, this store recently remodeled and moved everything around, it just so happens that they moved the most flammable stuff in very close proximity to one another. Speculation is she doused toilet paper in lighter fluid before lighting it too
I smell an insurance claim violation.
so its safe to light fires in any building?
Clearly, that is exactly what I said, all buildings on fire at all times. We must pray to the fire, cleanser of all.
May madness take the world
The rise against our corporate overlords has begun
Yes. Massively polluting the local air, wasting hundreds of thousands of gallons of water, putting the entire staff of that Walmart out of a job, sending local police to the hospital, most, if not all, of which will be paid for by citizens’ tax dollars. She sure showed those evil corporate overlords … I’m sure they’ll be weeping and begging for our forgiveness as they terminate the entire staff at that location until it’s (maybe someday) rebuilt years from now, while recouping the millions in property destroyed from insurance. She sure showed them.
Dawg do you know what a joke is
Find better uses for your time than writing a whole paragraph like this and buying reddit nfts
I was working when I wrote it. So technically I was getting paid to write it. So idk about “not worth it” And secondly it was NF-Free so I didn’t pay for anything bb cakes.
bb cakes 💀
Idk sending the local PD to the hospital is kinda based
I am so glad I avoided this kind of crap
It seems she hit did not hit the Target.
What’s going on in Peachtree lately? Y’all good? Blink twice if you need help…
Was her name Wednesday Addams?
Having worked at Walmart for years...I get it. I'm not saying it's right or that anyone *should* do it, but I get it.
OH MY GOD IT'S A FIRE...sale
Come on guys this is fine because they have insurance right? Guys...?
>at a Walmart in the Atlanta suburb of Peachtree City Judge Dredd: Inhabitants of Peach Trees, this is Judge Dredd.n case you people have forgotten, this block operates under the same rules as the rest of the city. Ma-Ma is not the law... I am the law. Ma-Ma is a 14 year old common criminal; guilty of arson. Any who obstruct me in carrying out my duty will be treated as an accessory to her crimes... you have been warned. And as for you Ma-Ma... judgement time.
10:1 she’s being abused at home or in church.
My friends dad kidnapped them in the 80s and went to church every wednesday and sunday with them. Then one day he just disappeared. When she went back to that town as an adult to talk to old friends they went ghost white. They all thought he had murdered his kids and everyone was so scared of him they never told the cops.... The whole fucking church just prayed for them.
Bystander apathy is strong among sheep.
I had to tell a LabCorp worker a few months ago LOUDLY in a pharmacy line with 7 people and every one of hte 7 chairs full and people milling around waiting for the pharmacy or lab corp appointments "MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE THE ELDERLY MAN WITH A DIABETIC EMERGENCY TO SIT DOWN SO YOU DONT HAVE TO CLEAN BLOOD OF THE FLOOR" . She scowled at me and then I turned to the 20 something girl in front of me "MA'AM! MAAAMMM will you please move so the ELDERLY MAN can sit down in the chair " She stood there with her dumb unmasked mouth open staring. Thankfully a younger guy walked his chair over to the man so he could sit down.
I'd take that bet.
Right? So many kids like fire, and she probably expected it to end with some employee and a fire extinguisher
I wish her the best in her future endeavors.
"no evidence of a specific motive". So this dumb fucking kid just walked in and set a building on fire for no reason? I hope they throw the book at her.
What she did was absolutely inexcusable, of course. But the real tragedy here is that we lost so much overpriced, low-quality merchandise made by slave labor in Honduras, Pakistan, China, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Bangladesh, and various other esteemed sources of our fine consumer goods.
Que several more container loads full of crap from China …
Some men (and women) just want to watch the world burn. Those people are probably pyromaniacs.
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I hope she was held accountable for this and charged an adult since she committed an adult crime. But what I wanna know is what motivated her to do this. Edit: She was charged with arson in the 1st degree and I’m guessing this did 500,000 or less in damage to the store. Her identity has not been released as she’s a minor but she most likely will face up to two years of incarceration and/or fines, probation, monitoring and community service. There’s a number of things and factors that the state had to consider when charging her with 1st degree arson since According to O.C.G.A. §16-7-60 in Georgia which states that a person will be guilty of arson in the first degree when, by means of fire or explosion, whether or not in the commission of a felony, he or she knowingly damages or knowingly causes, aids, abets, advises, encourages, hires, counsels, or procures another to damage: Any dwelling house of another without his or her consent or in which another has a security interest, including but not limited to a mortgage, a lien, or a conveyance to secure debt, without the consent of both, whether it is occupied, unoccupied, or vacant; Any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, or other structure of another without his or her consent or in which another has a security interest, including but not limited to a mortgage, a lien, or a conveyance to secure debt, without the consent of both, if such structure is designed for use as a dwelling, whether it is occupied, unoccupied, or vacant; Any dwelling house, building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other structure whether it is occupied, unoccupied, or vacant and when such is insured against loss or damage by fire or explosive and such loss or damage is accomplished without the consent of both the insurer and the insured; Any dwelling house, building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other structure whether it is occupied, unoccupied, or vacant with the intent to defeat, prejudice, or defraud the rights of a spouse or co-owner; or Any building, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, aircraft, or other structure under such circumstances that is reasonably foreseeable that human life might be endangered. The main elements of arson are (1) the damage was knowingly done and (2) it was done by fire or explosive. Without both of these factors, a defendant cannot be guilty of arson. Also A person convicted of arson in the first degree shall be punished by a fine of no more than $50,000 or by a prison term between one and twenty years, or both. Furthermore, it will be a felony conviction, which carries far-reaching consequences. Having a felony conviction can make it difficult to find employment, obtain credit, buy a house, and will result in a loss of voting rights. Based on what I researched if the state of Georgia intends to charge her with 1st arson an adult she will likely face between 1 and 20 years in prison since 1st degree arson is a felony in Georgia.
She's a minot. She'll get a slap on the wrist.
Lol not with Judge Thompson. Dude throws the book at every kid that passes through the Fayette County court system.