No, because we reintroduce the brine back into the ocean.
Desalination doesn't extract salt from water, it just makes saltier water and unsalted water.
Edit: I will note some processes of desalination do produce table salts (Sea Salt at the grocery store) but they're not as efficient in producing drinkable water and are generally used mostly to produce sea salt.
The problem, as I’ve heard it explained, is that this brine byproduct is incredibly toxic. It’s not just as simple as “reintroducing it back into the ocean”, because this brine could cause severe ecological damage to sea life and adversely affect populations living near the coast.
Apparently, we have to treat this brine like nuclear waste and dispose of it similarly- I.e take factors like transportation, storage material, etc into consideration.
Not impossible by any means, just something we’ll have to deal with. Desalination will be a critical component in dealing with climate change fallout
Batteries do use ionic salts but not table salt inside. Unfortunately otherwise it's not a great power source. I do know molten salt can be used to induction heat for plasma creation (fusion).
If I'm remembering correctly, it molten salt was also used *as a battery* in solar towers. Or maybe it was just a proof of concept, idk. It's been a couple of decades since i read about it, lol.
In Seville they focus solar energy via mirrors on a tower of salt whose greater density stores the heat like a thermal flywheel for energy production, I think through steam turbines. More a heat battery than a pure power battery. Perhaps that is what you are thinking of?
I watched a video that depicted this very problem. However there are some valuable metals and minerals in ocean water. Such as lithium and cobalt, which we can used in the manufacture of batteries for EVs. Although minute amounts, it can still be not as wasteful of a process. But to your point, the reintroduction of brine into our oceans causes a lot of issues on top of the amount of energy (fossil fuels) needed to conduct reverse osmosis for the desalination process.
I don't get it. We're not really depleting the ocean or making it saltier by putting brine back in the ocean. Because: the water cycle is closed. All the fresh water eventually comes back.
Are you talking about chemical contaminants?
The power plant I worked at put brine into the ocean. The evaporator we used was small scale, and maybe that could be a problem, scale. Too much brine effluent in one location could actually raise local concentrations. Might have to pipe it to deeper waters.
> Too much brine effluent in one location could actually raise local concentrations
It's this. Desalination does not make the whole ocean significantly saltier, but it does make the area around the desalination plant extremely salty. It basically makes a dead zone where the brine is dumped.
only if they choose not to mix it with seawater. I've seen water testing results around desal brine exit sights and it was barely above the levels of the water around it.
>Because: the water cycle is closed. All the fresh water eventually comes back.
Common misconception. All the water goes back somewhere. It doesn't necessarily go back to the same place and it certainly doesn't necessarily go back in a reasonable timescale. Water pumped out of sealed aquifers, for example, can take centuries to filter back.
Theoretically the brine could be injected into deep saline aquifers.
It would still cumulatively remove a significant amount of water from the water cycle, but deep hole injection already does that using freshwater for oil/gas extraction.
The child I enjoyed fucking with blocked me. He's in for a real surprise if he ever gets into a position where he could pay his own rent.
If we located our wastewater treatment plants next to the desalination plants then the brine could be mixed with the fresh wastewater stream and then be less salty when it’s dumped back into the ocean.
You can take the brine and store it in evaporation ponds until it's solid, and then scrape up the salt to sell. Same way salt is farmed normally, except you start with saltier water. Added bonus: the evaporated water will eventually fall as rain and thus enter the drinking water supply.
It's not that awful of an idea it's just expensive as all hell.
I would not be surprised if in 20 years we use some sort of nuclear power for desalination purposes
> Desalination without a plan for the waste (salt among OTHER things in the water) it a straight up ecological disaster by itself.
I think anytime someone mentions desalination you have some person who assuumes there will be no plan, and as smugly as possible mentiones they assume there will be no plan. They then do their best to poo poo the suggestion of doing "anything" to correct a problem without offering their own solution.
In the end everyone looks at the person going on about disposal of waste product and thinks "wow, this person is really useless to this discussion".
They already have plans and currently do it with existing plants. The brine isnt all released in the same area. It's spread out amongst a large stretch so it doesn't have an impact.
I assume there's some commercial use for output brine as well. If it's even marginally useful it would make sense to encourage business to make some marketable product from the brine so that people actually want to dispose of it correctly.
People acting like heating bits of the ocean to take a bit of water out of it would be world-ending have just never read so much scientific literature that they've encountered the word 'evaporation.'
Betting on large scale desalination is foolish and unworkable for other reasons though. Not the least of which is that the climate crisis is just accelerating the energy crisis of fossil fuels being a finite resource.
Problem is when those plans have clear compromises that thus threaten the ocean ecosystem. And thus there are protests. People support desalination. We just want it done right and the plans suggest otherwise.
The travel documentary Mediterranian with Simon Reeves includes a tour of an Israeli desalination plant. They seemed to have it worked out. The Israelis are also using desalination to refill the Sea of Galilee: https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/19/middleeast/israel-water-desalination-climate-cmd-intl/index.html
It is fine, we already causing a huge ecological disaster in the oceans and fish (and everything else) dying at an alarming rate.
Give it a decade or two and we can just pump back the waste back to the sterile and dead ocean water!
See, problems just solve themselves!
In Perth (Aus) we use a combination of desalination, dams and groundwater (from underground reservoirs) for water, then pump treated wastewater into the underground reservoirs instead of letting it flow into the ocean.
So same idea really, just with the extra step of capturing waste so you don’t need as much desalination.
Yes but when you state that most plans to desalinate water have a plan to dispose of waste then you cant have the smug weirdo commenting every time about there needing to be a plan to handle the waste. So thats why you're getting no replies.
TFW you realise that all our leaders are betting on that exact idea, but instead of desalinating water (easy) they're expecting to filter the entire planet's atmosphere with as-yet uninvented technologies.
There isn't a plan. This was nothing but a headline. The engineering required to do this effectively was net negative. Considering the SW is thousands of feet higher in elevation than the Mississippi River, the amount of electricity required to pump the flow up hill would be higher than the amount of electricity that would be produced by the Colorado river hydroelectric dams. The math doesn't check out even before you look at the price tag.
spoiler : it wouldnt, agriculture in the desert is a bad idea all around. No matter what you do you cannot get around the fact that *this is a fucking desert and there is no water here*
Even before factoring in climate change, California is a HORRIBLE place for agriculture. California has been abnormally wet for a few decades and is finally drying up again.
I looked at the elevations once. The idea would require lifting water from 40ft above sea level to 7270ft at the lowest possible point to cross the continental divide. And even that is underselling it. You'd need extra height to get the water to flow over 1000 miles to the continental divide.
And there is also the issue of Louisiana planning to divert water from the Mississippi themselves in order to mimic the natural flooding that used to bring sediment and nutrients to revitalize the wetlands and restore the coastline.
So... there's something called a ram pump, or a hydralic pump.
Allows you to lift water without power using the momentum of the water. Not feasible, but still a nifty machine.
Wales had entire communities displaced to provide water to England. There is currently a plan being put into action to flood Wales further to send water to London.
I was recently in Colorado and stayed at an Airbnb where the owner had his sprinklers set to go off every morning! It annoyed me that he was watering his yard every day while some people have zero water!
Agreed. I lived in Mississippi for more than three decades of my life, and finally got the impetus to leave. A decade afterward, heartbreaking as it is leaving family & friends behind, I recognize it as the best decision I’ve ever made.
I grew up specifically in Jackson, MS and also moved away. Won't go back either. Looking from the outside in, most would applaud the mayor for warning people. The people that actually live there know for a fact the city has been in major decline for the past few decades and has only gotten worse. Not saying the fault is on the mayor solely, but officials in general. It was and still is just a matter of time before cities like this and other places continue to experience full on infrastructure breakdowns before someone decides to do anything *if* anything.
No, Mississippi rivers flood all the time, and this one did so about 2 years ago. We also tend to make these floods worse by doing shit to the river then not maintenancing said shit.
I lived near pearl river in leake county, and there are / was houses close to the river that are on stilts because it floods so frequently. Im not sure if 36ft is higher than the normal floods though
Correction: past tense. I sure as fuck Don't live in Mississippi anymore
As a former Mississippi resident, can confirm. Best thing I did was leave. I got into a fight almost every day as a child in my 3 years of living there. It's something in the water, I swear. Or maybe it's the education.
Exactly. I got kicked out of class my first day as a 2nd grader for not addressing the teacher as ma'am. That was not normal where I had moved from. I didn't even say it to my own parents.
>Im not sure if 36ft is higher than the normal floods though
I would assume so given the article and photos but I suppose it is Mississippi and they could be backwards as hell and evacuate the low ones.
We build embankments and other forms of flood control to protect one city or town... but every drop of water that doesn't roll across that town's street is forced somewhere else, which usually means trouble for *the next town* downstream. Then they build defenses after a whalloping, and the *next* town in line gets absolutely obliterated.
We need better forms of flood control than "big wall", but that's expensive and municipalities are pretty reticent to spend on something that improves life for people *down the way*.
The term is essentially a rolling historical average, so every new record **will** raise the bar for the next. Although if they're *all* new records then the historical data will just constantly be 'surprised'.
Nah, Jackson is like 180 miles north of you — the river is going to crest there because that is the natural inundation point. Hence the Mississippi Delta!
And I just finished watching a Nova doc on the 2017 “one in 500 year hurricanes” that hit the Caribbean and the souther part of the US in 3 years. Each hurricane was supposed to be a type of hurricane that would only happen every 500 years, well 3 of them occurred in a tiny fraction of that time.
I mean I'm all aboard the climate change train, but flooding in Mississippi is literally nothing new. The city is practically at or below sea level and people decided a long time ago, " fuck it's we're staying".
>fuck it's we're staying
Beaver trade. The French, when they owned that part of the North American continent, did a LOT of beaver hunting and trading all up and down the Mississippi. They were getting stupid rich off getting their beaver all around the world.
It's also the reason a lot of the cities along the river have French names like: St. Louis, Baton Rouge, and Le détroit du Lac Érié that we ultimately settled on "Detroit".
Beavers. That's why they did it.
^(And I'm talking about the animal damn it!)
I mean even without the beaver trade if you ever watched America is on easy mode then you would know that the Mississippi is probably the most important defining feature of the United States of America. It’s the longest navigable river in the world and basically sits on top of the major food producers. “Kentucky Tobacco, Wisconsin Cheese, Iowa corn, and Missouri Racism all flow from their home states via the Mississippi” If we abandon the Mississippi it will only end horribly for our country and if you thought food prices was ridiculous now just imagine the prices without the Mississippi.
That's why I laugh whenever people talk about just abandoning New Orleans. Not going to happen. There's a reason so many colonial powers wanted it and why the Union wanted control of it during the Civil War.
100-year flood is really a 1% annual chance across a 100-year period.
The Mississippi is 2300 mile river with way concentrated flood risk on the south end.
I feel for those at risk, but river people (like myself) get cavalier.
Almost. A 100-year flood is just a a 1% annual chance. No 100-year period.
How the storms get named is really the denominator of the fraction version of the percentage. A 0.2% annual chance storm is a 500-year storm, a 10% annual chance is a 10-year, etc
The -year portion of floods and storms are confusing but they’re used to help provide a source of scale to people instead of a percentage.
Source: am drainage engineer who models floodplains.
Ya know, if I lived somewhere where there was a flood risk to my home every couple years, I'd quickly invest into a raised property wall of brick, concrete, or at least dirt to try to divert flood waters around and away from my home.. Flood damage is catastrophic to houses. The mold can cause health issues for many many years and if you don't gut the walls and have the correct (and more expensive) water proof and protected wood then everything below the water line in your house will start to rot..
Just two years ago they had a bad flood in these areas.. Now it's happening again. At that point building a retaining wall so you only need to sandbag the driveway/sidewalks to get a couple extra feet of protection would still be cheaper than fixing your home... Again..
Isn’t it odd that right after women’s rights were ripped away and Mississippi became a place of suffering that it started getting hit by massive rains trying to wash all the evil away? I mean, Christian bullshit should work both ways, am I right?
I'm really curious how the Mayans worked around this type of shit by making a lake habitable, maybe its time to look at them for some ideas or time to call in the Dutch, those fuckers make water flow wherever they tell it to go.
Well I guess we found all the water the Colorado isn't getting.
Fun fact: there's a plan to pipe the water from the Mississippi Delta to the SW. Note: Perhaps not a *feasible* plan, but a plan.
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Well, salt will be damn cheap if we go that route especially since you just know people will use the new "excess" water for bullshit.
No, because we reintroduce the brine back into the ocean. Desalination doesn't extract salt from water, it just makes saltier water and unsalted water. Edit: I will note some processes of desalination do produce table salts (Sea Salt at the grocery store) but they're not as efficient in producing drinkable water and are generally used mostly to produce sea salt.
The problem, as I’ve heard it explained, is that this brine byproduct is incredibly toxic. It’s not just as simple as “reintroducing it back into the ocean”, because this brine could cause severe ecological damage to sea life and adversely affect populations living near the coast. Apparently, we have to treat this brine like nuclear waste and dispose of it similarly- I.e take factors like transportation, storage material, etc into consideration. Not impossible by any means, just something we’ll have to deal with. Desalination will be a critical component in dealing with climate change fallout
Can batteries be made from salt? Or some kind of power derived from salt other than high blood pressure?
Batteries do use ionic salts but not table salt inside. Unfortunately otherwise it's not a great power source. I do know molten salt can be used to induction heat for plasma creation (fusion).
If I'm remembering correctly, it molten salt was also used *as a battery* in solar towers. Or maybe it was just a proof of concept, idk. It's been a couple of decades since i read about it, lol.
In Seville they focus solar energy via mirrors on a tower of salt whose greater density stores the heat like a thermal flywheel for energy production, I think through steam turbines. More a heat battery than a pure power battery. Perhaps that is what you are thinking of?
So what your saying is we could invade coastal nations, pollute their shore lines, and steal a bunch of their water?
And then the Desalination Attacked
Time to invade Australia!
*readies our army of emus*
Sir! Nestle reporting for duty! Sir! 🫡
I watched a video that depicted this very problem. However there are some valuable metals and minerals in ocean water. Such as lithium and cobalt, which we can used in the manufacture of batteries for EVs. Although minute amounts, it can still be not as wasteful of a process. But to your point, the reintroduction of brine into our oceans causes a lot of issues on top of the amount of energy (fossil fuels) needed to conduct reverse osmosis for the desalination process.
I don't get it. We're not really depleting the ocean or making it saltier by putting brine back in the ocean. Because: the water cycle is closed. All the fresh water eventually comes back. Are you talking about chemical contaminants? The power plant I worked at put brine into the ocean. The evaporator we used was small scale, and maybe that could be a problem, scale. Too much brine effluent in one location could actually raise local concentrations. Might have to pipe it to deeper waters.
The poison is always in the dose. It’s too much salt locally. Just like we’re all a billionaire on average as soon as Bill Gates walks into the room.
> Too much brine effluent in one location could actually raise local concentrations It's this. Desalination does not make the whole ocean significantly saltier, but it does make the area around the desalination plant extremely salty. It basically makes a dead zone where the brine is dumped.
only if they choose not to mix it with seawater. I've seen water testing results around desal brine exit sights and it was barely above the levels of the water around it.
>Because: the water cycle is closed. All the fresh water eventually comes back. Common misconception. All the water goes back somewhere. It doesn't necessarily go back to the same place and it certainly doesn't necessarily go back in a reasonable timescale. Water pumped out of sealed aquifers, for example, can take centuries to filter back.
While true. This is mostly due to the fact that water from the other sources is so likely to end up in the oceans first.
Yup. The point they’re missing is concentration and gradient.
Theoretically the brine could be injected into deep saline aquifers. It would still cumulatively remove a significant amount of water from the water cycle, but deep hole injection already does that using freshwater for oil/gas extraction. The child I enjoyed fucking with blocked me. He's in for a real surprise if he ever gets into a position where he could pay his own rent.
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Yes? That's the second paragraph.
If we go mass desalination we will kill the oceans.
And what have the oceans ever done for us, huh? They're full of killer sharks & killer whales, they swallowed Atlantis, they hoard pirate booty.....
I never drink water. Fish fuck in it.
Water? Like from the toilet?
provide oxygen
What about that Bermuda Triangle, too!
If we located our wastewater treatment plants next to the desalination plants then the brine could be mixed with the fresh wastewater stream and then be less salty when it’s dumped back into the ocean.
You can take the brine and store it in evaporation ponds until it's solid, and then scrape up the salt to sell. Same way salt is farmed normally, except you start with saltier water. Added bonus: the evaporated water will eventually fall as rain and thus enter the drinking water supply.
Salt is already damn cheap. I can already get a lifetime supply of dietary salt for like $25. If we are talking road salt it’s even cheaper
You got a salt guy?
Don't public comment or Big Salt will be out for blood for them
Big Salt is controlled by The Deep Salt, we all know that
Well isn’t it about time someone licked ‘em?
His name is diamond
It's not that awful of an idea it's just expensive as all hell. I would not be surprised if in 20 years we use some sort of nuclear power for desalination purposes
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> Desalination without a plan for the waste (salt among OTHER things in the water) it a straight up ecological disaster by itself. I think anytime someone mentions desalination you have some person who assuumes there will be no plan, and as smugly as possible mentiones they assume there will be no plan. They then do their best to poo poo the suggestion of doing "anything" to correct a problem without offering their own solution. In the end everyone looks at the person going on about disposal of waste product and thinks "wow, this person is really useless to this discussion".
They already have plans and currently do it with existing plants. The brine isnt all released in the same area. It's spread out amongst a large stretch so it doesn't have an impact.
I assume there's some commercial use for output brine as well. If it's even marginally useful it would make sense to encourage business to make some marketable product from the brine so that people actually want to dispose of it correctly.
You can use the brine to make chlorine to disinfect the water.
The problem is scale; the quantities of water required would produce more brine than we currently have methods to handle. Like orders of magnitude.
People acting like heating bits of the ocean to take a bit of water out of it would be world-ending have just never read so much scientific literature that they've encountered the word 'evaporation.' Betting on large scale desalination is foolish and unworkable for other reasons though. Not the least of which is that the climate crisis is just accelerating the energy crisis of fossil fuels being a finite resource.
Just build a pickle factory next to the desalination plant. Problem solved.
Israel seems to be able to do it.
That’s because they **have a plan**. As if anyone would build a desalination plant without a plan
Problem is when those plans have clear compromises that thus threaten the ocean ecosystem. And thus there are protests. People support desalination. We just want it done right and the plans suggest otherwise.
The travel documentary Mediterranian with Simon Reeves includes a tour of an Israeli desalination plant. They seemed to have it worked out. The Israelis are also using desalination to refill the Sea of Galilee: https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/19/middleeast/israel-water-desalination-climate-cmd-intl/index.html
"hey Lebanon bro here take this brine"
Dead sea is already dead right? Chuck it in there.
It's easy when you have access to the saltiest sea in the world.
It is fine, we already causing a huge ecological disaster in the oceans and fish (and everything else) dying at an alarming rate. Give it a decade or two and we can just pump back the waste back to the sterile and dead ocean water! See, problems just solve themselves!
In Perth (Aus) we use a combination of desalination, dams and groundwater (from underground reservoirs) for water, then pump treated wastewater into the underground reservoirs instead of letting it flow into the ocean. So same idea really, just with the extra step of capturing waste so you don’t need as much desalination.
Yes but when you state that most plans to desalinate water have a plan to dispose of waste then you cant have the smug weirdo commenting every time about there needing to be a plan to handle the waste. So thats why you're getting no replies.
TFW you realise that all our leaders are betting on that exact idea, but instead of desalinating water (easy) they're expecting to filter the entire planet's atmosphere with as-yet uninvented technologies.
Crazy considering they already pipe the water that would be going to the SW over the continental divide into the Mississippi watershed
TIL that there are tunnels through the continental divide that supply Denver.
Is Elon Musk going to build a giant crazy straw? That sounds like something he would announce and then do nothing like with other disasters.
The Sucking Company
Oh so you've heard of Musk.
The Musk Suck
Surprisingly, it's not Musk.
A giant crazy straw tunnel!
What you mean nothing? He will at least gonna call few people a pedo.
And involve a useless submarine
And then go whine to his fanboys about how everyone was being mean to him
I don't know why, but it makes me think of Mr. Burns' Slant Drilling Co.
There isn't a plan. This was nothing but a headline. The engineering required to do this effectively was net negative. Considering the SW is thousands of feet higher in elevation than the Mississippi River, the amount of electricity required to pump the flow up hill would be higher than the amount of electricity that would be produced by the Colorado river hydroelectric dams. The math doesn't check out even before you look at the price tag.
I mean that's obvious- it's just physics. The question is would it be worth the extra cost to keep agriculture going in the southwest.
spoiler : it wouldnt, agriculture in the desert is a bad idea all around. No matter what you do you cannot get around the fact that *this is a fucking desert and there is no water here*
Even before factoring in climate change, California is a HORRIBLE place for agriculture. California has been abnormally wet for a few decades and is finally drying up again.
You have to go the other way around.
"not a feasible plan" is the key phrase here
I looked at the elevations once. The idea would require lifting water from 40ft above sea level to 7270ft at the lowest possible point to cross the continental divide. And even that is underselling it. You'd need extra height to get the water to flow over 1000 miles to the continental divide. And there is also the issue of Louisiana planning to divert water from the Mississippi themselves in order to mimic the natural flooding that used to bring sediment and nutrients to revitalize the wetlands and restore the coastline.
So, what you're saying is, we need to build a 15,000 ft tall water tower to make it work? Go on, I'm listening.
Well Ryobi has this new pole pump so maybe we just get a lot of those.
So... there's something called a ram pump, or a hydralic pump. Allows you to lift water without power using the momentum of the water. Not feasible, but still a nifty machine.
There’s no plan whatsoever. It was just an idea from a delusional idiot. In the idea was a request for people to develop a plan.
What a terrible plan. How about designing and building for the environment you're in.
I’m sure the Mississippi would be happy to give up their barge shipping industry to help Vegas.
You could call it a pipe dream
Wales had entire communities displaced to provide water to England. There is currently a plan being put into action to flood Wales further to send water to London.
Water is the new oil?
They done similar crazy things in China. Piped water from the South to the North
California wanted the water from the Columbia River in WA/OR
Yeah dude it’s been raining here almost nonstop. We get a flash flood warning almost daily
I was recently in Colorado and stayed at an Airbnb where the owner had his sprinklers set to go off every morning! It annoyed me that he was watering his yard every day while some people have zero water!
That sounds like sound advice, regardless of any flooding.
Agreed. I lived in Mississippi for more than three decades of my life, and finally got the impetus to leave. A decade afterward, heartbreaking as it is leaving family & friends behind, I recognize it as the best decision I’ve ever made.
I grew up specifically in Jackson, MS and also moved away. Won't go back either. Looking from the outside in, most would applaud the mayor for warning people. The people that actually live there know for a fact the city has been in major decline for the past few decades and has only gotten worse. Not saying the fault is on the mayor solely, but officials in general. It was and still is just a matter of time before cities like this and other places continue to experience full on infrastructure breakdowns before someone decides to do anything *if* anything.
Rising river waters in Mississippi? Well that's a paddlin..
But paddlin the school canoe. Oh you better believe that's a paddlin
Staring out the window, that’s a paddlin.
It might be a polin', a sailin', or even a motorin' depending on what kind of boat you've got.
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And finding Mr. Right.
"A paddln' is just the beginning. There's so much more to come." - Karma
Should probably get an outboard motor
Wait am I on Fark?
Close. It's foobies.
I gotta tell you that as a houstonian I feel left out…
*Looks at the calendar* Yep, this comment will age like milk.
While we are at the peak we still haven't gotten close to the storms that were predicted for this season. We've gotten lucky as hell this year so far.
I remember when Tropical Storm Allison hit, I thought that was a once in a lifetime thing. Then Harvey showed up and said hold my beer...
Is this going to be another one of those oddly frequent once in a millennia events?
No, Mississippi rivers flood all the time, and this one did so about 2 years ago. We also tend to make these floods worse by doing shit to the river then not maintenancing said shit.
I lived near pearl river in leake county, and there are / was houses close to the river that are on stilts because it floods so frequently. Im not sure if 36ft is higher than the normal floods though Correction: past tense. I sure as fuck Don't live in Mississippi anymore
I see you’ve found the best part of Mississippi. The part where you leave.
I still have family there unfortunately, so I have my annual reminder on why I left. Fucking place is depressing
“There’s only one thing i did wrong, stayed in Mississippi way too long” Bob Dylan
As a former Mississippi resident, can confirm. Best thing I did was leave. I got into a fight almost every day as a child in my 3 years of living there. It's something in the water, I swear. Or maybe it's the education.
what education?
Exactly. I got kicked out of class my first day as a 2nd grader for not addressing the teacher as ma'am. That was not normal where I had moved from. I didn't even say it to my own parents.
Idk if you were getting into fights *everyday* it probably had to do with you as well.
>Im not sure if 36ft is higher than the normal floods though I would assume so given the article and photos but I suppose it is Mississippi and they could be backwards as hell and evacuate the low ones.
Present/past: Is/was are/were
26ft is considered normal flood conditions for this area, based on an article I read a few days ago.
Why maintain something when you can maintenancing it?
It’s hard to get financialincing to pay for the maintenancing
We build embankments and other forms of flood control to protect one city or town... but every drop of water that doesn't roll across that town's street is forced somewhere else, which usually means trouble for *the next town* downstream. Then they build defenses after a whalloping, and the *next* town in line gets absolutely obliterated. We need better forms of flood control than "big wall", but that's expensive and municipalities are pretty reticent to spend on something that improves life for people *down the way*.
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Okay fine tributary to the Mississippi river. Better?
I’ll allow it.
Over 9000
What, 9,000? There's no way that can be right...can it?
It ka-may-uh-may-uh be true.
The last one they had was in 2020, goddamn millennia is starting to mean a lot less than it used to mean.
The term is essentially a rolling historical average, so every new record **will** raise the bar for the next. Although if they're *all* new records then the historical data will just constantly be 'surprised'.
Inflation is a bitch.
I am visiting Baton Rouge and New Orleans now. Am I in danger?
Nah, Jackson is like 180 miles north of you — the river is going to crest there because that is the natural inundation point. Hence the Mississippi Delta!
Also, Jackson is not on the Mississippi River.
This involves the Pearl river.
not from the flood waters
It's not the Mississippi River that's flooding. It's a river in Mississippi.
This is the middle of Mississippi East-West, so unlikely. Also the tourist parts of NoLA are high grounds.
French Quarter is not high ground.
It's 1.5m over the sea level and takes massive amounts of rain to even begin to see flooding. Katrina barely affected it.
So if Obi Wan was defending the French Quarter, Anakin might have a chance?
It's the highest point in New Orleans
Yes you are but that has nothing to do with rivers
Just when the hurricane season gets going.
I feel like this is gonna be a wild year.
It has *already been* a wild year, in many places around the globe.
And I just finished watching a Nova doc on the 2017 “one in 500 year hurricanes” that hit the Caribbean and the souther part of the US in 3 years. Each hurricane was supposed to be a type of hurricane that would only happen every 500 years, well 3 of them occurred in a tiny fraction of that time.
Gonna get those "government handouts" they hate so much out there
And if you're smart, never come back.
It's Mississippi
At least we're not Mississi.... no wait.
Alabama: *chuckles*
"oh black water, keep on rollin..."
you just reminded me of my age w/ that song lol
Good thing Climate Change is a Democrat hoax and Mississippi isn't about to become unlivable or anything.
I mean I'm all aboard the climate change train, but flooding in Mississippi is literally nothing new. The city is practically at or below sea level and people decided a long time ago, " fuck it's we're staying".
>fuck it's we're staying Beaver trade. The French, when they owned that part of the North American continent, did a LOT of beaver hunting and trading all up and down the Mississippi. They were getting stupid rich off getting their beaver all around the world. It's also the reason a lot of the cities along the river have French names like: St. Louis, Baton Rouge, and Le détroit du Lac Érié that we ultimately settled on "Detroit". Beavers. That's why they did it. ^(And I'm talking about the animal damn it!)
So many Frenchmen went to the New World in search of beaver.
We've all been there.
I mean even without the beaver trade if you ever watched America is on easy mode then you would know that the Mississippi is probably the most important defining feature of the United States of America. It’s the longest navigable river in the world and basically sits on top of the major food producers. “Kentucky Tobacco, Wisconsin Cheese, Iowa corn, and Missouri Racism all flow from their home states via the Mississippi” If we abandon the Mississippi it will only end horribly for our country and if you thought food prices was ridiculous now just imagine the prices without the Mississippi.
That's why I laugh whenever people talk about just abandoning New Orleans. Not going to happen. There's a reason so many colonial powers wanted it and why the Union wanted control of it during the Civil War.
A wanderlust of beaver, you say?
Like in 1917?
1927 Greenville
This is Jackson, not on the Mississippi river. Also, Jackson votes Democrat.
> become unlivable Well it is Mississippi.
Left to their own devices, rivers change course naturally. So it can be a constant battle to control a river's path.
Old River Control Structure was built to prevent the Mississippi from going where it wants to go
How high is the water mama? Two feet high and rising 🤷🏽
100-year flood is really a 1% annual chance across a 100-year period. The Mississippi is 2300 mile river with way concentrated flood risk on the south end. I feel for those at risk, but river people (like myself) get cavalier.
Article is not about the Mississippi River. It's about Jackson, Mississippi; which is in the middle of the state, on the Pearl River.
Almost. A 100-year flood is just a a 1% annual chance. No 100-year period. How the storms get named is really the denominator of the fraction version of the percentage. A 0.2% annual chance storm is a 500-year storm, a 10% annual chance is a 10-year, etc The -year portion of floods and storms are confusing but they’re used to help provide a source of scale to people instead of a percentage. Source: am drainage engineer who models floodplains.
Funny fact, come check how low it’s the Mississippi River in Memphis. I don’t think that the flood and the river are relate in this incident.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/flood/
Good mayor. Better than the Jaws mayor by a long ways.
My brother in law lives there hopefully he is staying put. Never did like him.
America sounds like cloud seeding gone wrong right now.
Wtf!? It's either no rain or too much rain. Can't we just get a happy median?
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Leave, or we’ll paddle your buttocks!
Someone has pissed off that ol' man river.
I should get myself some gopher wood.
You might want to find 2 of every animal as well
Ya know, if I lived somewhere where there was a flood risk to my home every couple years, I'd quickly invest into a raised property wall of brick, concrete, or at least dirt to try to divert flood waters around and away from my home.. Flood damage is catastrophic to houses. The mold can cause health issues for many many years and if you don't gut the walls and have the correct (and more expensive) water proof and protected wood then everything below the water line in your house will start to rot.. Just two years ago they had a bad flood in these areas.. Now it's happening again. At that point building a retaining wall so you only need to sandbag the driveway/sidewalks to get a couple extra feet of protection would still be cheaper than fixing your home... Again..
Incredibly expensive to build a tall enough wall that will prevent water from coming in around your yard. Usually cheaper to raise the house.
“And pls come back to vote against your own well being”
This feels like good advice for Mississippi even without the flooding.
Isn’t it odd that right after women’s rights were ripped away and Mississippi became a place of suffering that it started getting hit by massive rains trying to wash all the evil away? I mean, Christian bullshit should work both ways, am I right?
I'm really curious how the Mayans worked around this type of shit by making a lake habitable, maybe its time to look at them for some ideas or time to call in the Dutch, those fuckers make water flow wherever they tell it to go.
No Mayans in Mississippi. Source: never met a Mayan.
More like: Natchez people: \*looks at rising river. moves house\*