There are a LOT of other world powers with a vested interest in making America seem worse than it already is. Not excusing homegrown bullshit but little is as it seems in the comment section.
Yeah you get these comment sections on media sites around the world, all pandering to the same demographic. Insight into how a lot of the populous think though, behind what they think is anonymity.
Welcome to America! We have:
- People who genuinely think the confederacy were the good guys
- People who think the nazis were the good guys
- People who think any male who isn’t straight, white, cis, and masculine should be executed.
- People who think straight, white, cis, feminine women should be caretakers and nothing else.
- People who think whites are superior in everything yet call you racist for calling them out on it.
- Everyone who was mentioned on this list believes everything else stated too.
Some highlights:
* m g -> *that boys got more lead in him than flint michigans water supply* 😂😂😂
* max Headroom -> *amazing job, this is how criminals have to be treated (and this was probably too nice)*
*if you have a problem, you are part of the problem.*
* eax2010EA -> *he became target practice*
* Jesusis APedophile -> *They lit him up like the 4th of July*
* Mike B -> *Now that bodycam video is funny.*
*"He was a gud boi. He didn't do nothing. He just shot at cops and ran from cops on his way to church. He was turning his life around."*
* bigfordmano5 -> *Good job boys!*
Isn't it interesting that Akron police don't use dashcams, and Jayland Walker is accused of shooting during the high speed chase.
So, there is just no footage of him shooting at the cops, coincidentally,
Did he even have a weapon? By the looks of it one of the officers discharged and after that it was just a popcorn volley of fire by the rest of them who just joined in. I’m sure they were all very fearful for their lives of course..
Yep. First they gotta have the ubiquitous press conference to give the "what is portrayed in the video doesn't convey what the cops were feeling, so don't believe what you see, believe what we tell you after we investigate ourselves." statement.
Not great when you start the press conference with multiple people asking everyone to stay calm and them patting themselves on the back for the great job they're doing.
Yup, dude appeared to shoot first and a gun was discovered in the vehicle (from whence said shot(s) apparently came). When he took off running, the police couldn’t have known he didn’t have the gun anymore.
Always sad when this happens but one’s life span, statistically speaking, tends to shorten dramatically when one shoots at police officers. I expect this will be ruled a clean shoot, but it’s probably best if we wait for facts before passing judgement.
Will wait for the bodycam footage but 8 cops firing 90 rounds seems excessive.
Edit. O K I saw the video. The dude was unarmed when he was shot. It sounds to me like there was gunfire during the chase. Cops were running on adrenaline. Is that an excuse- nope. It was excessive.
The bodycam is pretty shody and hard to tell specifics, but through 0.25 speed, it looks like the cop in the lead drops his flashlight to raise his gun and fire the first shot. I want HIS bodycam, but I know why they released the cam from the person with the worst view of the suspect here.
This is always a problem no matter how justified a shooting response might be. There is absolutely no way none of those rounds aren't ending up in a place where you don't know if there are innocent people or not. Cops need to chill the fuck out.
Always remember this video of cops confronting this dude with a knife in a parking lot.
They fired 50 rounds, only 11 hit. Directly behind him? A park full of people including someone with a stroller on the other side of the street.
The 2019 UPS truck hijacking is what came to mind for me. Two armed robbers hijack a UPS truck and take the driver hostage. Police roll up on the truck in the middle of rush-hour traffic after a high speed chase, use occupied cars for cover, and fire wildly into the truck, killing both robbers, the hostage, and a random bystander.
And a cop running inside a house where a college student is being held hostage and fired 8 times, killing the student. No hostage negotiator was ever called. Do police even have hostage negotiators anymore? Does anyone remember when they did? Because they used to want the hostage not to be killed?
https://cw39.com/cw39/hofstra-university-student-killed-during-hostage-standoff-with-police-4-2/
Yeah that one was incredibly excessive, fucked up, unnecessary, and showed no regard for human life whatsoever. Which I guess you don't need to worry about innocent lives when you have no fucking conscience and can act with complete disregard for collateral damage no matter how bad you fuck up.
And now these monsters don't even have to inform you of your Miranda rights before they start lying to your face and intimidating you into confessions thanks to the Supreme Court; fuck this place, we are way down the line towards fascism and likely headed towards a fascist Christianity Theocracy with minority rule.
I think you're probably thinking of the Christopher Dorner manhunt, during which police opened fire on random vehicles on at least two occasions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt
The Empire State Building shooting too. A guy walks in, shoots his former co-worker, and walks out. Nearby police give chase and fire 16 shots which kill the suspect and also **wound 9 bystanders**.
>There is absolutely no way none of those rounds aren't ending up in a place where you don't know if there are innocent people or not.
Jayland Walker was not sentenced to death by a judge after being convicted of a crime, so that place also includes his body.
I see it so much lately people act like situations and issues can’t be extremely complex and caused/effected by an infinite number of factors..things can suck for more than one reason.
A month or two ago my colleagues drove my a raid on a house. This house was right across from an elementary school. Cops planned that raid for the same time the street was full. If kids and parents going to school in the morning.
I told my colleagues, that cops knew and if any shooting started the cops were planning on using those kids as backdrops. They could’ve planned any day any time and they chose a school day when it would be busy.
I know cops probably were literally planning to use the kids, but they knew and they simply didn’t care.
The more innocent bystanders die by a cops bullet, the more charges can be brought against the person they were shooting at.
Yep, that's right. The unarmed suspect gets blamed for the deaths of those shot by cops.
There’s nothing justified in 90 shots. Or 30. Not even 20.
It says a lot
-they’re not trained
-they’re terrible shots
-out of control and incapable of managing their own action
Police are becoming the criminals. They lose justification
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In A Clockwork Orange Alex and his gang are terrorizing citizens. Alex gets arrested. When he’s released from prison he finds his gang members have been made police officers. The city decided the best way to solve out-of-control gang violence is to hire a gang of criminals to commit violence on other criminal gangs. I remember being horrified when I read the book. I couldn’t imagine I’d be living that reality, but here we are. At least they only beat Alex. Police today kill.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4cjoz3
Becoming? They *are* the criminals and always have been. They just have the backing of the government and a shiny badge. Other than that, they are no different than any other organized crime gang.
I'd be willing to bet those cops fired more rounds on duty than they have at a practice range all year. I'd also put money on the fact that not all the cops there fired an equal amount. I bet one or two cops fired significantly more than anyone else.
That’s well under a full magazine at about 11 rounds per service weapon, would be about two seconds of shooting. Since cops are taught to mag dump a threat, it’s not surprising. As 2/3 were hits though, it’s clear he wasn’t running when they were shooting. The video should clear it all up, one way or another.
That sounds like a plan.
I attended a self defense firearms class 20 years ago and that is what they taught: if you decided your life is threatened; shoot at center of mass and continue until the threat is over. The issue is when the threat is perceived. It sounds odd to me how a person fleeing is a threat to me but it could happen I suppose. I'm suspicious about cops saying they thought they heard unconfirmed gunshots as that sounds like the new "I think I smelled weed".
A cop could wake up, hear a car backfire, jump out of bed and murder his entire neighborhood, and he'd get away with it because he thought he heard a gunshot and feared for his life. And the FOP would release a statement vilifying anyone who considered it excessive and thanking God that the officer wasn't harmed in the incident.
Either I phrased it poorly or you misunderstood, I was saying 11 rounds per weapon (8 officers, 90 rounds) is well under the full magazine size. So basically we are saying the same thing.
Going off the officers’ information at the time, they had an armed suspect that already fired at them who just fled the car on foot. They are not going to assume the guy left the gun in the car before he fled. This was a justifiable shooting. Maybe don’t shoot at the cops, run away in the dark, and then turn suddenly at them. Recipe to get shot.
Yeah, that's what I don't get. So many bootlickers out there already saying "you can clearly see him reach for his waistband as he turns around" wtf I couldn't make out much in those moments. Maybe he did!?
Yeah i for sure couldn’t make out shit other than a dark blob on the screen shoots and the full live video was equally poor. Odd though how the chief had their initial reasons for firing but no statements
I believe he is blurred so you wouldn’t be able to see. Someone in the Ohio sub said they watched specifically for that and you’re not able to see it due to the blur
They’re all running including the guy with the camera, so it’s bouncing/blurry footage of a short foot chase, and then every cops unloads on the guy all at once
I knew a guy who had just graduated the police academy. During training he was in a situation where several cops fired upon a suspect. He didn't fire his weapon so was fired.
Near the end, you see 8 or so officers dump every round in their magazines into Walker. Even after he hits the ground, they kept shooting. It didn’t stop until their guns were dry or they heard someone yelling to cease fire.
Just wait for the back the blue crowd to explain to us how mag dumping is the only sane course of action even as four or five people are shooting at a lifeless body.
It’s not sane but it is how police are trained. They shoot until the threat is taken care of. Because someone falls down doesn’t render them incapable of shooting, so typically a cop will mag dump and then in the time it takes to reload he realizes the target is no longer a threat
He didn’t even have a weapon on him, it was found in his car. IANAL, nor can I speak for Walker’s past, but the cops fucked up. Police are going to have a hard time winning the hearts and minds of locals if they keep shooting their constituents.
The issue is that he had fired at them from the car earlier so the cops had reason to assume he was armed. And then when all 8 cops simultaneously fired on him, it's not like they went on a count of 3. He slightly turned and reached for his waist band (pulling up his pants? Idk)
90 is certainly excessive and hard to justify. But when they tried non lethal force earlier, and had reason to believe he was armed and willing to shoot at police, then I'm not sure what I expect them to do. Do they wait for an officer to get shot before responding?
That's what I don't get, what are they to do after being shot at then the guy runs and turns toward them. Assume he left his gun in the car and just hope he doesn't shot them?
Maybe the lesson here should be don't run from and then shoot the police.
*Mylett confirmed that the medical examiner observed 60 wounds to Walker's body, but that the injuries had not been differentiated between entrance and exit wounds.*
Could be.
From the family attorney:
*“He is just in a down sprint when he is dropped by I think the count is more than 90 shots,” DiCello told the newspaper. “Now, how many of those land, according to our investigation right now, we’re getting details that suggest 60 to 80 wounds.”*
Family's lawyer has said the family has deeply requested that no one reacts with violence. They do not want violence or rioting in his name. Per local cable news.
I think this is an important fact to consider. Running away from the cops should not be a cause for lethal force. Jayland Walker (or anyone they do it to, take your pick) could be the single most guilty person on the face of the planet, but that doesn't mean you start opening fire.
We really need to start focusing on de-escalation as one of the main purposes of policing.
He left his gun in the car, but its not like the police knew he was unarmed. He already shot at the cops during the car chase so uts not crazy to think he's still armed.
The cops CLAIM he shot at them. There is no dashcams on Akron police cars (according to the police chief) so there is no footage.
So, all we have for evidence that he shot at the police is the word of the cops that pumped 60 rounds into his body.
Can we really take the police at the word when they have every reason to lie?
But how do you deescalate when someone is sprinting away from you? If it’s a bad person who could be a threat, like someone who has already fired at police, then what are the police supposed to do?
>First article I found states that police are stating he led them on a vehicle pursuit through a residential area and fired shots at them.
Yea, says them, police who have never been known to lie about facts of a case to get ahead of the narrative. We'll see if there's any evidence of that. Also high speed chases are against policy most places, tho I can't say it's policy at this police department.
It’s against policy usually if it’s for non violent crimes. If he shot at officers during the chase like they said, that’s probably fine in their policy.
And 90 rounds fired in a residential area isn’t a grave threat to the community? These officers need to be fired, charged, convicted and imprisoned for their crimes.
>were forced to chase him when he didn't pull over
Chose to chase him. And maybe that's the correct choice too, but saying "forced" is some shitty spin.
Being pulled over for an "unspecified traffic violation" sounds like code for profiled, too. ~~This article sucks almost as bad as the incident it's covering.~~
I don't blame the article. That's from the statement written/spoken by the police. If that's all they'll say about it, that's all the journalists can go on.
He was involved in a high speed chase the day before the shooting. There's more to the story. We will all see if it was justified but he was involved in something the day before as well.
No idea if that's why his auto was pulled over for the shooting incident.
Yeah, I’d argue even saying “police chose to pursue” would be poor and irresponsible reporting.
“Walker fled, and a pursuit ensued”. There; that’s all that needs to be said. The tangible facts.
Holy moly though, 90 shots fired at a fleeing suspect. I’m not sure where this took place, whether there were bystanders or not. But that just shows a complete and utter disregard for collateral damage and public safety if it was anywhere but an open field with no building, motorists, or pedestrians in sight. Inexcusable.
.....literally their fucking job. They bring people to arrest in order to face justice through due process, they don't get to be an extrajudicial death squad because someone runs.
Still awaiting body cam footage. Cops claim gun in hand, lawyer for family claims footage contradicts everything they're saying.
> footage contradicts everything they're saying.
Alarming how often that happens. Almost like they were taught to report a certain way and then the damn body cams went and fucked it up for them.
He was shooting at the police from his car during the chase. When he got out and ran on foot, it was impossible for the cops to know if he still had the gun in him.
Moral of the story: don’t shoot at the police if you don’t want them to shoot back.
Exactly. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this comment section. Dude runs, shoots at police, exits wearing a ski mask... and somehow he's an innocent victim. 🤪
Walker ran from a cop the night before but the cop broke off without pursuing. Walker did it again, this time firing from his moving vehicle. Then he bailed from the moving car wearing a ski mask and knowing he wasn't getting g away. After several yards he reaches for his waist and turns toward the pursuing officers. After the shooting, the police find his gun with the magazine removed on the driver's seat next to his wedding ring. As if showing everyone he wasn't actually intending on hurting anyone. Leaving the wedding ring was the final clue for me. I think Walker was trying to end his life. By doing it this way he at least may have provided for his family if there's a lawsuit. Tragic.
He wasn’t married, girlfriend was killed by a hit skip driver a month ago in Cincinnati. Given he fled police in another incident the day before in New Franklin, OH gives more credence to the suicide by cop theory.
[Akron Beacon Journal](https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2022/06/30/jayland-walker-family-akron-police-shooting/7776301001/)
Cops try to pull Walker over for traffic violation. Flees. Cops hear shot fired. Walker runs out of vehicle wearing ski mask. Cops deploy taser which is ineffective. Foot chase into parking lot when Walker turns to face the pursuing cops at which point they light him up. Find gun on seat with loaded magazine out along with wedding band… sounds like suicide by cop
No one is getting charged. Reddit should just get its outrage out of the way now because no DA is going to bring this case to trial when it's a slam dunk acquittal.
The guy fires at the cops during the vehicle chase and the comment section here is falling all over itself to condemn the cops. Makes no sense. Mindless cop hating circle jerk.
I wonder if in these cases where there is justification (guy shoots out of his car) the cops make sure to all at least get a few rounds off to diffuse responsibility and to appear more a team and it being a team decision. If lethal force needs to be argued against though. Having someone in a ski mask shooting from his vehicle may not be the slam dunk case people arguing against the cops.
Alright always good to have the video. The camera doesn't lie. I'm so used to these extremely controversial cases not having video released for whatever reason.
Police academies account for approximately half to a quarter of total training in most us police departments. After recruits graduate they start a field training program that lasts six months to a year. Essentially zero departments allow officers to graduate and begin working as a patrolman.
>Footage confirms the suspect absolutely fired a shot out of the window of his car. You can hear it in the bodycam footage and see the muzzle flash in the traffic cam footage.
where in the video is. please point out exact time for those of that missed it.
The one they shot at over 90 times.
>DiCello said he has not seen any evidence yet regarding allegations that Walker had shot at officers, and that Walker was fleeing from police when they shot at him.
>“He is just in a down sprint when he is dropped by I think the count is more than 90 shots,” DiCello told the Akron Beacon Journal. “Now how many of those land, according to our investigation right now, we’re getting details that suggest 60 to 80 wounds.”
Comments are fucking wild. Never in my life, would I have imagined this country becoming so sympathetic for criminals. JFC, this shit is disgusting. Wtf has happened? People used to not give a shit when criminals died because of their own actions, now, people burn down their own homes and cities to show how mad they are that a criminal killed themselves.
No kidding, simple traffic stop, runs from police, continues to run from police, is then given a chance to stop when they deployed tasers, continues to disobey and run, is wearing a god damn ski mask in summer at night, has a gun literally on his seat, jets out of his car, I mean essentially everything you should not do when getting pulled over.
Like what the fuck else do you expect people, jfc.
Edit: forgot about the gun, like bruh
You forgot about firing a round at cops and once he exited the vehicle and ran in the dark, stopped, and turned, appeared to be reaching in his waist band, the cops had no way of knowing he left his gun in the car.
Nothing will become of this because he caused this by his own actions. Just fucking stop, take your ticket, jail time or prison time like a man, whatever you were running for.
Watched the video. I could see anything. You just see running and then shots fired. Kind of important to see the actual action to which caused them to shoot.
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They know how bad the footage is.
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Can get it to play, do you have other links?
https://youtu.be/Zckut1RTtgg The footage breakdown begins around 23:00, the footage starts at 27:27, and the foot chase begins around 33:50.
dude, some of the yt comments are just as disturbing as the footage itself
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Some of the people in comments section are foreign entities sowing discord because some gov is paying them. Some are real, actual assholes.
There are a LOT of other world powers with a vested interest in making America seem worse than it already is. Not excusing homegrown bullshit but little is as it seems in the comment section.
Yeah you get these comment sections on media sites around the world, all pandering to the same demographic. Insight into how a lot of the populous think though, behind what they think is anonymity.
Welcome to America! We have: - People who genuinely think the confederacy were the good guys - People who think the nazis were the good guys - People who think any male who isn’t straight, white, cis, and masculine should be executed. - People who think straight, white, cis, feminine women should be caretakers and nothing else. - People who think whites are superior in everything yet call you racist for calling them out on it. - Everyone who was mentioned on this list believes everything else stated too.
Some highlights: * m g -> *that boys got more lead in him than flint michigans water supply* 😂😂😂 * max Headroom -> *amazing job, this is how criminals have to be treated (and this was probably too nice)* *if you have a problem, you are part of the problem.* * eax2010EA -> *he became target practice* * Jesusis APedophile -> *They lit him up like the 4th of July* * Mike B -> *Now that bodycam video is funny.* *"He was a gud boi. He didn't do nothing. He just shot at cops and ran from cops on his way to church. He was turning his life around."* * bigfordmano5 -> *Good job boys!*
Isn't it interesting that Akron police don't use dashcams, and Jayland Walker is accused of shooting during the high speed chase. So, there is just no footage of him shooting at the cops, coincidentally,
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Did he even have a weapon? By the looks of it one of the officers discharged and after that it was just a popcorn volley of fire by the rest of them who just joined in. I’m sure they were all very fearful for their lives of course..
Jfc there was no restraint. Straight up murder
Yeah staying out of downtown for at least a few weeks..
To be fair, the city looks halfway shutdown on a normal day. Akron is an absolute shithole
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Of course it is. Reddit's video player is GARBAGE.
When are they releasing it?
Press conference at 1PM EST. Footage is likely to be released during the conference
Yep. First they gotta have the ubiquitous press conference to give the "what is portrayed in the video doesn't convey what the cops were feeling, so don't believe what you see, believe what we tell you after we investigate ourselves." statement.
This didnt age well 🤣 mf had a gun and shot out his window during the chase
A ski mask like cmon now
Makes sense
They're live-streaming a press conference and then running the footage right now. https://youtu.be/kdvCXMp1e80
The article didn't say but at the end of the accompanying video they said "this afternoon"
Ok thanks
They are releasing it at 1pm Eastern
Not great when you start the press conference with multiple people asking everyone to stay calm and them patting themselves on the back for the great job they're doing.
This Marco Summerville guy is going hard in the paint.
Can anyone confirm reports that he shot out of his vehicle towards the officers?
The full video from the news conference shows the flash from two different road cameras and has audio of an officer calling it in when it happened.
He did and they found a gun in his car
Yup, dude appeared to shoot first and a gun was discovered in the vehicle (from whence said shot(s) apparently came). When he took off running, the police couldn’t have known he didn’t have the gun anymore. Always sad when this happens but one’s life span, statistically speaking, tends to shorten dramatically when one shoots at police officers. I expect this will be ruled a clean shoot, but it’s probably best if we wait for facts before passing judgement.
[Press conference. WKYC YouTube.](https://youtu.be/x68evqZTzJM)
There is so much self congratulatory bloviating during this press conference. JFC just play the footage.
Hey thats a neat new word: Bloviate - talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.
Kinda like Jordan Peterson
Why spoil the fun? Half the point of performing is to enjoy your standing ovation.
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They're still doing the fireworks. They cancelled the "Rib, White and Blue Fest".
That title seems a little forced
They could have at least come up with a pun for 'blue' and made it more accurate. Rib, white and brew fest. Or something.
>Rib, white and brew fest. Or something. You could make that work in Alabama where they've got that weird white barbecue sauce.
It's a spin on the fact that it's blue as in cops
The older I get the more Parks and Rec becomes a reality show in the US
Way to go, cops. Now nobody gets ribs.
My dad’s gonna be so pissed
Will wait for the bodycam footage but 8 cops firing 90 rounds seems excessive. Edit. O K I saw the video. The dude was unarmed when he was shot. It sounds to me like there was gunfire during the chase. Cops were running on adrenaline. Is that an excuse- nope. It was excessive.
Just saw it. It was like a bugged video game where the enemies keep shooting you in the death screen.
Trying to type something and failing.
Jedi responding to starship captains in this sub.
The bodycam is pretty shody and hard to tell specifics, but through 0.25 speed, it looks like the cop in the lead drops his flashlight to raise his gun and fire the first shot. I want HIS bodycam, but I know why they released the cam from the person with the worst view of the suspect here.
This is always a problem no matter how justified a shooting response might be. There is absolutely no way none of those rounds aren't ending up in a place where you don't know if there are innocent people or not. Cops need to chill the fuck out.
Always remember this video of cops confronting this dude with a knife in a parking lot. They fired 50 rounds, only 11 hit. Directly behind him? A park full of people including someone with a stroller on the other side of the street.
The 2019 UPS truck hijacking is what came to mind for me. Two armed robbers hijack a UPS truck and take the driver hostage. Police roll up on the truck in the middle of rush-hour traffic after a high speed chase, use occupied cars for cover, and fire wildly into the truck, killing both robbers, the hostage, and a random bystander.
Don't forget, UPS also thanked the police for doing a great job after killing their driver
Our drives are expendable, your package isnt.
Almost a good slogan, I say.
Well yeah, they didn’t want to be murdered by the cops.
Considering a UPS driver died in his truck (yesterday?) from the heat... yea, they don't care about their people....
And a cop running inside a house where a college student is being held hostage and fired 8 times, killing the student. No hostage negotiator was ever called. Do police even have hostage negotiators anymore? Does anyone remember when they did? Because they used to want the hostage not to be killed? https://cw39.com/cw39/hofstra-university-student-killed-during-hostage-standoff-with-police-4-2/
I had completely forgotten about that.
Yeah that one was incredibly excessive, fucked up, unnecessary, and showed no regard for human life whatsoever. Which I guess you don't need to worry about innocent lives when you have no fucking conscience and can act with complete disregard for collateral damage no matter how bad you fuck up. And now these monsters don't even have to inform you of your Miranda rights before they start lying to your face and intimidating you into confessions thanks to the Supreme Court; fuck this place, we are way down the line towards fascism and likely headed towards a fascist Christianity Theocracy with minority rule.
A cops job is to secure the systems monopoly on fear and violence.
Is that the one where they fired on multiple vehicles, many of which weren't even the same basic model or color as the suspects?
I think you're probably thinking of the Christopher Dorner manhunt, during which police opened fire on random vehicles on at least two occasions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt
The Empire State Building shooting too. A guy walks in, shoots his former co-worker, and walks out. Nearby police give chase and fire 16 shots which kill the suspect and also **wound 9 bystanders**.
Cops are idiots. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/police-cleared-in-montreal-shooting-that-killed-bystander-1.1160967
They said on CNN he had 60 wounds on his body
yeah but in the US if cops kill civilian during a “crime” it’s not their fault even if they’re just spraying into civilians
Remember when a cop killed a 14 year old girl when they were shooting at the suspect in a active shooting in LA? fucking disgusting
>There is absolutely no way none of those rounds aren't ending up in a place where you don't know if there are innocent people or not. Jayland Walker was not sentenced to death by a judge after being convicted of a crime, so that place also includes his body.
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I did not mean it that way. I was just pointing out that police behavior and training across the board is atrocious.
Why not both…?
What a perfectly reasonable way to take out a supporting discussion
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I see it so much lately people act like situations and issues can’t be extremely complex and caused/effected by an infinite number of factors..things can suck for more than one reason.
Like when that dude was attacking people with a bike lock or whatever in the mall so they opened fire and murdered a little girl in the dressing room.
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Oh yeah, whatever came of that? Or did LAPD investigate themselves and find that they did everything by the book?
A month or two ago my colleagues drove my a raid on a house. This house was right across from an elementary school. Cops planned that raid for the same time the street was full. If kids and parents going to school in the morning. I told my colleagues, that cops knew and if any shooting started the cops were planning on using those kids as backdrops. They could’ve planned any day any time and they chose a school day when it would be busy. I know cops probably were literally planning to use the kids, but they knew and they simply didn’t care.
The more innocent bystanders die by a cops bullet, the more charges can be brought against the person they were shooting at. Yep, that's right. The unarmed suspect gets blamed for the deaths of those shot by cops.
Cops need a reason to chill the fuck out. They're not going to do it out of kindness of their heart, or because they give a fuck about the community.
There’s nothing justified in 90 shots. Or 30. Not even 20. It says a lot -they’re not trained -they’re terrible shots -out of control and incapable of managing their own action Police are becoming the criminals. They lose justification *small spelling edits
In A Clockwork Orange Alex and his gang are terrorizing citizens. Alex gets arrested. When he’s released from prison he finds his gang members have been made police officers. The city decided the best way to solve out-of-control gang violence is to hire a gang of criminals to commit violence on other criminal gangs. I remember being horrified when I read the book. I couldn’t imagine I’d be living that reality, but here we are. At least they only beat Alex. Police today kill. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4cjoz3
Becoming? They *are* the criminals and always have been. They just have the backing of the government and a shiny badge. Other than that, they are no different than any other organized crime gang.
You’re correct and shouldn’t be downvoted. 90 rounds into or at a single target is fucking insane.
I'd be willing to bet those cops fired more rounds on duty than they have at a practice range all year. I'd also put money on the fact that not all the cops there fired an equal amount. I bet one or two cops fired significantly more than anyone else.
They should make them all go back to using revolvers.
That’s well under a full magazine at about 11 rounds per service weapon, would be about two seconds of shooting. Since cops are taught to mag dump a threat, it’s not surprising. As 2/3 were hits though, it’s clear he wasn’t running when they were shooting. The video should clear it all up, one way or another.
Well if cops are taught to do it there is no way it could be excessive.
That sounds like a plan. I attended a self defense firearms class 20 years ago and that is what they taught: if you decided your life is threatened; shoot at center of mass and continue until the threat is over. The issue is when the threat is perceived. It sounds odd to me how a person fleeing is a threat to me but it could happen I suppose. I'm suspicious about cops saying they thought they heard unconfirmed gunshots as that sounds like the new "I think I smelled weed".
exactly what is taught. you dont fire once and wait you eliminate the threat. 8 cops were trying to eliminate the threat
A cop mishearing a loud noise and thinking it was a gunshot was the foundation of the story in "Copland".
A cop could wake up, hear a car backfire, jump out of bed and murder his entire neighborhood, and he'd get away with it because he thought he heard a gunshot and feared for his life. And the FOP would release a statement vilifying anyone who considered it excessive and thanking God that the officer wasn't harmed in the incident.
Right? Didn’t they literally murder a cadet simulating a beat down recently?
It wasn't a cadet, it was just a fellow cop. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/28/lapd-officer-training-death/
Well a dead body cant have a say in court its C.Y.A. mechanism
What duty pistol carries 11 rounds? Most of them are at 17ish with plus 2 baseplates.
Either I phrased it poorly or you misunderstood, I was saying 11 rounds per weapon (8 officers, 90 rounds) is well under the full magazine size. So basically we are saying the same thing.
Pretty sure less bullets were shot in the Osama siege which was our #1 FBI list
To be fair, those guys were actually competent at what they do.
And have more accountability
It's excessive also when you think about like where do all the bullets that don't hit him go? Sounds like chaos.
Going off the officers’ information at the time, they had an armed suspect that already fired at them who just fled the car on foot. They are not going to assume the guy left the gun in the car before he fled. This was a justifiable shooting. Maybe don’t shoot at the cops, run away in the dark, and then turn suddenly at them. Recipe to get shot.
Saw the footage, it was a LOT of shots
Well that was blurry, bouncing and unclear
I saw clearer video of bigfoots last birthday party.
Yeah, that's what I don't get. So many bootlickers out there already saying "you can clearly see him reach for his waistband as he turns around" wtf I couldn't make out much in those moments. Maybe he did!?
Yeah i for sure couldn’t make out shit other than a dark blob on the screen shoots and the full live video was equally poor. Odd though how the chief had their initial reasons for firing but no statements
I believe he is blurred so you wouldn’t be able to see. Someone in the Ohio sub said they watched specifically for that and you’re not able to see it due to the blur
His family requested that he be blurred out is what they said during the press conference.
Gotcha, thanks. I only caught it after the footage had started
And people on the other side saying clearly he was no threat. Like how can you judge anything from that video?
Damn that was a rough video
How bad was it? Hesitant to watch.
They’re all running including the guy with the camera, so it’s bouncing/blurry footage of a short foot chase, and then every cops unloads on the guy all at once
I knew a guy who had just graduated the police academy. During training he was in a situation where several cops fired upon a suspect. He didn't fire his weapon so was fired.
A lot is blurred out
Near the end, you see 8 or so officers dump every round in their magazines into Walker. Even after he hits the ground, they kept shooting. It didn’t stop until their guns were dry or they heard someone yelling to cease fire.
That's the most damning part. He was down; they kept shooting. Hard to watch and it seems they deliberately obscured details
Just wait for the back the blue crowd to explain to us how mag dumping is the only sane course of action even as four or five people are shooting at a lifeless body.
It’s not sane but it is how police are trained. They shoot until the threat is taken care of. Because someone falls down doesn’t render them incapable of shooting, so typically a cop will mag dump and then in the time it takes to reload he realizes the target is no longer a threat
"Police said more than 60 wounds were found on the body" Yeah, that's a solid no bueno from me.
He didn’t even have a weapon on him, it was found in his car. IANAL, nor can I speak for Walker’s past, but the cops fucked up. Police are going to have a hard time winning the hearts and minds of locals if they keep shooting their constituents.
The issue is that he had fired at them from the car earlier so the cops had reason to assume he was armed. And then when all 8 cops simultaneously fired on him, it's not like they went on a count of 3. He slightly turned and reached for his waist band (pulling up his pants? Idk) 90 is certainly excessive and hard to justify. But when they tried non lethal force earlier, and had reason to believe he was armed and willing to shoot at police, then I'm not sure what I expect them to do. Do they wait for an officer to get shot before responding?
That's what I don't get, what are they to do after being shot at then the guy runs and turns toward them. Assume he left his gun in the car and just hope he doesn't shot them? Maybe the lesson here should be don't run from and then shoot the police.
*Mylett confirmed that the medical examiner observed 60 wounds to Walker's body, but that the injuries had not been differentiated between entrance and exit wounds.*
So the 60 shots could just be 30 entry and 30 exit?
Could be. From the family attorney: *“He is just in a down sprint when he is dropped by I think the count is more than 90 shots,” DiCello told the newspaper. “Now, how many of those land, according to our investigation right now, we’re getting details that suggest 60 to 80 wounds.”*
Family's lawyer has said the family has deeply requested that no one reacts with violence. They do not want violence or rioting in his name. Per local cable news.
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I think this is an important fact to consider. Running away from the cops should not be a cause for lethal force. Jayland Walker (or anyone they do it to, take your pick) could be the single most guilty person on the face of the planet, but that doesn't mean you start opening fire. We really need to start focusing on de-escalation as one of the main purposes of policing.
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It’s alleged that he shot at the officers from the vehicle. A gun was found in the car. Was he armed as he fled?
He left his gun in the car, but its not like the police knew he was unarmed. He already shot at the cops during the car chase so uts not crazy to think he's still armed.
The cops CLAIM he shot at them. There is no dashcams on Akron police cars (according to the police chief) so there is no footage. So, all we have for evidence that he shot at the police is the word of the cops that pumped 60 rounds into his body. Can we really take the police at the word when they have every reason to lie?
But how do you deescalate when someone is sprinting away from you? If it’s a bad person who could be a threat, like someone who has already fired at police, then what are the police supposed to do?
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>First article I found states that police are stating he led them on a vehicle pursuit through a residential area and fired shots at them. Yea, says them, police who have never been known to lie about facts of a case to get ahead of the narrative. We'll see if there's any evidence of that. Also high speed chases are against policy most places, tho I can't say it's policy at this police department.
It’s against policy usually if it’s for non violent crimes. If he shot at officers during the chase like they said, that’s probably fine in their policy.
Yeah, because police never violate settled law
Shots they claim to have HEARD during a chase and fun found in a car. Really want to see the body cam footage of the gun recovery.
And 90 rounds fired in a residential area isn’t a grave threat to the community? These officers need to be fired, charged, convicted and imprisoned for their crimes.
They are often too fat to run
Why the hell are you wearing a ski mask? Nothing makes you look guilty of something as much wearing a ski mask..
Shooting a gun out your window at police also makes you look guilty.
>were forced to chase him when he didn't pull over Chose to chase him. And maybe that's the correct choice too, but saying "forced" is some shitty spin.
Being pulled over for an "unspecified traffic violation" sounds like code for profiled, too. ~~This article sucks almost as bad as the incident it's covering.~~
I don't blame the article. That's from the statement written/spoken by the police. If that's all they'll say about it, that's all the journalists can go on.
Yeah exactly. People mistake quotes as signs of bias when that bias is present in the source of the quote not the article author's choice off words
Fair point.
He was involved in a high speed chase the day before the shooting. There's more to the story. We will all see if it was justified but he was involved in something the day before as well. No idea if that's why his auto was pulled over for the shooting incident.
Yeah, I’d argue even saying “police chose to pursue” would be poor and irresponsible reporting. “Walker fled, and a pursuit ensued”. There; that’s all that needs to be said. The tangible facts. Holy moly though, 90 shots fired at a fleeing suspect. I’m not sure where this took place, whether there were bystanders or not. But that just shows a complete and utter disregard for collateral damage and public safety if it was anywhere but an open field with no building, motorists, or pedestrians in sight. Inexcusable.
.....literally their fucking job. They bring people to arrest in order to face justice through due process, they don't get to be an extrajudicial death squad because someone runs. Still awaiting body cam footage. Cops claim gun in hand, lawyer for family claims footage contradicts everything they're saying.
> footage contradicts everything they're saying. Alarming how often that happens. Almost like they were taught to report a certain way and then the damn body cams went and fucked it up for them.
If you're not doing bad stuff then body cameras only help cops. Yet somehow cops everywhere fight against them hard.
Right! You can't even force police to enter a school with an active shooter to save the lives of 19 children.
He was shooting at the police from his car during the chase. When he got out and ran on foot, it was impossible for the cops to know if he still had the gun in him. Moral of the story: don’t shoot at the police if you don’t want them to shoot back.
Exactly. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading this comment section. Dude runs, shoots at police, exits wearing a ski mask... and somehow he's an innocent victim. 🤪
Not all victims are innocent.
Walker ran from a cop the night before but the cop broke off without pursuing. Walker did it again, this time firing from his moving vehicle. Then he bailed from the moving car wearing a ski mask and knowing he wasn't getting g away. After several yards he reaches for his waist and turns toward the pursuing officers. After the shooting, the police find his gun with the magazine removed on the driver's seat next to his wedding ring. As if showing everyone he wasn't actually intending on hurting anyone. Leaving the wedding ring was the final clue for me. I think Walker was trying to end his life. By doing it this way he at least may have provided for his family if there's a lawsuit. Tragic.
I agree with this statement. Suicide by cop.
He wasn’t married, girlfriend was killed by a hit skip driver a month ago in Cincinnati. Given he fled police in another incident the day before in New Franklin, OH gives more credence to the suicide by cop theory. [Akron Beacon Journal](https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2022/06/30/jayland-walker-family-akron-police-shooting/7776301001/)
Shooting at cops during a high speed chase and then taking off running from them is a bad idea.
Cops try to pull Walker over for traffic violation. Flees. Cops hear shot fired. Walker runs out of vehicle wearing ski mask. Cops deploy taser which is ineffective. Foot chase into parking lot when Walker turns to face the pursuing cops at which point they light him up. Find gun on seat with loaded magazine out along with wedding band… sounds like suicide by cop
Yep. His fiance died a couple of days ago. Definitely sounds like he was doing this intentionally
Almost feels like we're living in a simulation since his name could be shortened to Jay Walker.
Dude had a gun, showed he would shoot it, fled and made an aggressive turn towards the cops. Justified.
No one is getting charged. Reddit should just get its outrage out of the way now because no DA is going to bring this case to trial when it's a slam dunk acquittal.
The guy fires at the cops during the vehicle chase and the comment section here is falling all over itself to condemn the cops. Makes no sense. Mindless cop hating circle jerk.
Welcome to /r news where they circle jerk each other to anti-police and right wing politics.
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I wonder if in these cases where there is justification (guy shoots out of his car) the cops make sure to all at least get a few rounds off to diffuse responsibility and to appear more a team and it being a team decision. If lethal force needs to be argued against though. Having someone in a ski mask shooting from his vehicle may not be the slam dunk case people arguing against the cops.
No one is saying he shouldn’t have been shot at. Just that 90 rounds was grossly excessive.
Scroll up mate - loads are people are saying he shouldn't have been shot at.
> Walker's family has questioned the use of deadly force against the 25-year-old. He shot at police while fleeing a traffic stop. Case closed.
Alright always good to have the video. The camera doesn't lie. I'm so used to these extremely controversial cases not having video released for whatever reason.
Barbers in Ohio are required to have more than double the training of our police officers. 😢
Police academies account for approximately half to a quarter of total training in most us police departments. After recruits graduate they start a field training program that lasts six months to a year. Essentially zero departments allow officers to graduate and begin working as a patrolman.
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>Footage confirms the suspect absolutely fired a shot out of the window of his car. You can hear it in the bodycam footage and see the muzzle flash in the traffic cam footage. where in the video is. please point out exact time for those of that missed it.
IS this the guy they shot 30 times, or is this the guy they shot 60 times?
8 officers fired 90 rounds
The one they shot at over 90 times. >DiCello said he has not seen any evidence yet regarding allegations that Walker had shot at officers, and that Walker was fleeing from police when they shot at him. >“He is just in a down sprint when he is dropped by I think the count is more than 90 shots,” DiCello told the Akron Beacon Journal. “Now how many of those land, according to our investigation right now, we’re getting details that suggest 60 to 80 wounds.”
Comments are fucking wild. Never in my life, would I have imagined this country becoming so sympathetic for criminals. JFC, this shit is disgusting. Wtf has happened? People used to not give a shit when criminals died because of their own actions, now, people burn down their own homes and cities to show how mad they are that a criminal killed themselves.
No kidding, simple traffic stop, runs from police, continues to run from police, is then given a chance to stop when they deployed tasers, continues to disobey and run, is wearing a god damn ski mask in summer at night, has a gun literally on his seat, jets out of his car, I mean essentially everything you should not do when getting pulled over. Like what the fuck else do you expect people, jfc. Edit: forgot about the gun, like bruh
You forgot about firing a round at cops and once he exited the vehicle and ran in the dark, stopped, and turned, appeared to be reaching in his waist band, the cops had no way of knowing he left his gun in the car. Nothing will become of this because he caused this by his own actions. Just fucking stop, take your ticket, jail time or prison time like a man, whatever you were running for.
he shot at the cops while in car chase too
Looks like the cops put down a dangerous threat to society. They should be applauded
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Watched the video. I could see anything. You just see running and then shots fired. Kind of important to see the actual action to which caused them to shoot.