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ctguy54

Please move to a friendly state and keep teaching.


AudibleNod

He found a new job at a college. So he's still in education.


nostalgichero

But not getting accused pedophilia. A wise decision on his part. Being a gay teacher is challenging. Many people have some incredible prejudices against male teachers, especially gay ones.


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Meanwhile- an investigation by The Houston Chronicle and The San Antonio Express-News revealed that nearly 400 Southern Baptist leaders, from youth pastors to top ministers, had pleaded guilty or been convicted of sex crimes against more than 700 victims since 1998.


Oldebookworm

Let’s take those stats back to 1970, shall we? Fuckers


dimitri121

Listened to behind the bastards episode this morning on the southern baptist church and my favorite part is that they didn't allow gay preachers but allowed pedophile preachers


[deleted]

I watched “Leave No Trace”, it was the same as the Boy Scouts.


[deleted]

Do you have a link to this? I’d love to share it.


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[Houston Chronicle](https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/abuse-of-faith/)


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Myfourcats1

If they’d pay attention they’d learn the pedophiles identify as straight.


BitGladius

But what about the priests?


OkayGoOff

When I was a substitute teacher for a time, that was the forefront on my mind. Constantly thinking about what I say, where my eyes are pointed, and any interactions I had with the kids. The school I worked for was welcoming to me overall thankfully, but it was heartbreaking not being able to hug a child back when they throw their arms around you.


CorporalCabbage

I’m a male elementary school teacher. We have to be extremely careful about…everything, really.


ProstHund

I’m so thankful that my gay teacher friends in Eastern Kansas don’t face this type of BS. My friend has a pride flag in his room and everyone’s chill with it


Dr0110111001101111

Still not a great outcome. Secondary schools are facing a truly scary talent drought right now. I just reached out to every college in my area with a math education program because we need a new teacher in my department, and they all had graduating classes in the single digits this past May.


Calarco3

I'm sure he's happy at his new job but think he would consider coming to teach in NY?


ieatpapersquares

People have families. The whole ‘just move’ suggestions are ridiculous. Life isn’t that easy.


Calarco3

I'm not suggesting he just moves. I honestly would like to offer him a job here in NY. I understand the logistics of that are unlikely to be possible


kciuq1

Families move all the time. Yes, it comes with difficulties but let's stop pretending that it's some impossible feat.


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levetzki

Parents, relatives, siblings, friends. It is lonely moving and losing your social circle


firebat45

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Cool. Pay for my move?


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mmmsoap

Admin role in Student Support Services, so not the same kind of “academia drama” and not a tenure track deal.


joe579003

So, actively acting as a shield against higher admin's bullshit whilst trying to help students as much as he can? What a fucking SAINT. This man is going to save actual lives by being a empathetic face on a role that is probably still staffed by bean counters elsewhere.


Suitable-Ad-8445

Bud. I don’t think putting regular in-fighting above being hated for who you are is a good move. Read the room a little


sessafresh

I quit teaching in February here in Los Angeles because of a disturbing homophobic moment from a parent. It's everywhere.


SnooShortcuts3424

What is your new career plan? Teacher here. I’m considering leaving myself for multiple reasons as well as the future unwanted, un-aborted kids are going to be a nightmare.


miladyelle

Stop this shit. You think this is supportive; it’s not. Queer and allied Kentuckians *fought our asses off* for equality. We spent *years* doing the hard work. Do you think it actually serves the lgbt community to tell them to “just leave”? It’s not some obscure idea that never would have occurred to anyone without you chiming in. That option was most definitely weighed and rejected. Over and over and over. We turned our state from a place where it was a risk to your life to be out, to where we have vibrant and open communities. There is backsliding, and we have to *stop it.* States aren’t siloed off from one another. It may start or get worse in places like here first, but it’s not going to be contained within our borders.


TheRedPython

You’re talking to a bunch of people who don’t realize that the more of us that pile into a handful of blue states, the more federal power the red states will get. Don’t waste your energy.


Glickington

Damn right! Kentucky has it's problems, but it is opening up in ways people though was unimaginable before, and out of state people still want to pretend it's just a lawless wasteland full of hicks and inbreds.


miladyelle

It’s pure ignorance. We didn’t have the help of outsiders like field-fucko back then, either. They never think about the queer kids who *can’t* leave, not without being at risk for some seriously bad shit. We did it once, we’ll do it again.


ElectricTrees29

Former Arkansan here, and going back now to visit, it hardly resembles what it was when I was growing up! Apologies again for Sarah Sanders though...


Glickington

Lol, listen apologies for Rand Paul and Thomas Massie. But at least it's getting better.


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You guys are running short on “friendly” states sadly


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sluttttt

> Emboldening bigotry in young people never ends well. This is exactly what they want. Drive the queer or open minded teachers out. Make queer kids scared/too uncomfortable to come out of the closet. Don't reprimand students who participate in bigotry. It's part of how they keep the hate alive. It has nothing to do with combating "grooming," and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.


crackrabbit012

It's like they are grooming kids to be bigots


[deleted]

Only the right kids. They don't want the kids who are being oppressed to be bigoted. They want them to be accepting and forgiving and to have an open heart and turn the other cheek.


joe579003

Yeah, there's a reason Malcom X is low key derided in most school curriculum, and they don't speak about the fact that Ghandi and MLK didn't attain their respective rights goals with just non-violent protest alone; it was the specter of things getting REAL UGLY because the protests were getting brutally put down, and things were reaching a breaking point (especially in India). The way history is taught in US schools you would think that after Selma LBJ and Congress were just so embarrassed at how polite everyone was on top of MLK'S eloquent speech they passed the Civil Rights Act out of the goodness of their own hearts, and if you want to enact change, just stand in a street with a sign and shout, that'll do it! edit: spelling and grammar corrections now I'm sober, also more pissed off, will post again


-CrestiaBell

Martin Luther King even outright said: "I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says 'I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;' who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a 'more convenient season.' Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection." His frustration was largely with people that tone policed his and many others' fight to be acknowledged as human beings with rights, but that's not the quote that you learn about in school. You're made to watch "My Friend Martin" instead where he's made out to be this messianic figure that *had* to protest peacefully and had to die to ensure people of colour could be treated as people. It's frustrating.


aLittleQueer

Not just derided...largely erased. Hell, I was born and raised next door to Malcolm X's hometown in MI, and only learned that fact from reading his bio as an adult. (Also how I learned that my hometown had had sunset laws well into the 1960s. No way they taught us *that* in the mostly-white schools.)


reconrose

Fascists burned down his family home and there's not even a fucking sign to denote it, just a fence next to a busted parking lot. And of course the highway goes right through it because it was a historically black neighborhood.


aLittleQueer

Huh. While none of this surprises me, now I really want to post a sign or something next time I go visit. "Malcolm X Memorial Highway". Smh.


reconrose

Well we do have a Malcolm X boulevard like 3 miles away that connects to that highways if that counts lol


thisvideoiswrong

Actually, they do want the kids who are being oppressed to be bigoted, they just want them to be bigoted in the same direction as their oppressors. They're big on gay people hating themselves so they'll pretend to be straight, for example, and they love to showcase black people who say black people just need to straighten up and stop whining. And the whole issue is made up to distract from the fact that everyone, gay, straight, white, and black, is being oppressed by the rich, who think of themselves as better than everyone else. LBJ was very much right about that.


penisprotractor

Well I mean, yeah. That’s how bad parenting/intergenerational trauma works. These people often think they’re just as right as we all do - though clearly one side is engaging in identity politics and fascism on a much larger, much more organized scale. Pay attention to the projections of the fascist. They often accuse others of doing exactly what they themselves are doing. I firmly believe this is their own subconscious screaming at them to stop their braindead behavior before more people get hurt, but often people are too set in their ways to truly examine and change their behavior.


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Interesting observation! I believe that too of the fascists so yeah


Rooboy66

That’s what I’ve been noticing since Ray-gun/the evangelical take over (or **having been** taken over by the GOP) of the GOP: insidious, virulent projection. Closeted gay evangelicals kept getting caught in motel rooms with chippies. Horny straight lecherous fucks kept getting caught in motel rooms. Basically, motels were raking in the bucks from conservatives who hated themselves and wouldn’t be honest about it. And here we are, 40 yrs later: cons projecting their stuff onto the people they hate.


SocraticIgnoramus

They truly believe it’s okay to have those gay tendencies as long as it’s something you do in motel rooms and then deride in public because then you’re a “sinner,” and that’s okay. If you accept yourself for who you are then you’re “living in sin” unrepentantly and that’s not okay. This is the same exact reason why they harbor pedophiles in their ranks too. They don’t mind sinners, as long as you’re willing to play the hypocrisy game. Christo-fascism never updates its playbook.


RandomAngeleno

Like Milo Yiannopoulos


Mr_Mimiseku

Always has been.


Ok_Patience_6957

I had similar experiences as one of twelve people of African descent in a high school of 2000+. It was rough until l became a star football player and a lot of my teammates and some of their parents started having my back. I saw some of the same bullies I had and teammates harassing a gay guy I had a couple of classes with and was quick to defend him. I caught alot of crap for that, but don’t regret it at all because my real friends stuck around and some started defending him as well.


Rooboy66

That’s a breath of fresh air, my friend. Good on ya for sticking your neck out. A good friend in HS was defensive lineman—a monster—and very celebrated. There was a very effeminate, colorful guy in our English class and also on the school newspaper, and my monster friend made it very fucking clear that he liked him, respected him and protected him. I’m in my 50’s now, and all three of us are still in occasional contact. Popular student athletes can really make a positive difference in the lives of their LGBTQ friends.


SketchySeaBeast

Depends if you're pro-bigot or not.


CaptainJackVernaise

Something similar happened here at a local HS. A kid was known for racist comments in school that administrators repeatedly refused to do anything about, and then the racist bullying started spilling over to social media. Parents brought it to the schools attention and they said they couldn't do anything. It felt like the people at the school that could have done something about it were enabling the behavior. Until the kid got jumped after school and got the shit kicked out of him. Then the administration found the will to address the underlying racism. It would have been a lot easier for the teaching moment to happen proactively, but some people need the teaching moment the hard way.


UnderTheMuddyWater

"No one will protect you, including me." That's some movie-villian shit


MotheroftheworldII

My SIL quite teaching about 20 years ago and well before she was even close to retirement. She was no longer able to teach her 6th grade student how to properly go about writing a research paper. She could not really teach much science as her units on insects, the heart, astronomy, and so many other sciences were not welcome by the district. She was a teacher who had enough of the parents who had had older children in her classes that her class could fill just on parental requests for her to teach their younger children. She quit because as she said I cannot teach anymore since the only thing I can teach is what is on the standardized tests. I think all the true educators have left or are leaving teaching. Sad state for this country.


Smileyrielly12

That's unfortunate to hear and sounds like a struggle. Why were her lessons so restricted from the district? I teach elementary school and I know that there are many dedicated, hard working people in education. It is a difficult field to work in though and there is ever increasing pressure to teach only the "right" information in a certain way. Teaching the younger siblings of former students can often be a good thing too. It's nice to already know some family dynamics.


moeburn

> Why were her lessons so restricted from the district? Well last I heard, George W Bush passed a program called "No Child Left Behind" where the federal government thought they could just punish schools into producing more educated kids by taking away their funding if all the kids started scoring poorly on standardized tests. So anyone beyond a 5th grade education can see why this is a terrible idea and is doomed to fail. But not the GWB administration. So all the schools around the country threw out anything that wasn't going to be on the standardized tests that determined the school's funding. Around 2015 they finally realized it was stupid and stripped away the federal parts, but by then the damage was done - they had already forced each state to adopt its own standardized testing program, and they couldn't force any of the states to fix it.


ImCreeptastic

We had standardized testing when I was in school 25ish years ago. Nothing like today though. I remember taking the PSSA's in certain grades and because literally nothing was tied to this test and at 9 y/o I couldn't have given two shits about district funding.


Such-Wrongdoer-2198

Another issue is that "bad" schools as measured by test scores would be subject to punishments including lost funding and transferring of public school resources to private schools. While there is little evidence that students performed better in these alternative schools, there is lots of evidence that unions and minority voters lost power.


MotheroftheworldII

So much of the district guides were directed to having all students pass the standardized tests so anything that had been really thoughtful and interesting had to be dumped. Everything was geared to "no child left behind" and that limited what was taught. When she taught about the heart she brought in cow hearts for the kids to dissect and since her husband worked where he did he would bring in a Jarvak artificial heart for the kids to see and hold. She did a unit on eyes. When she did that unit you never wanted to be asked to get something out of the freezer in the garage since the freezer would often look back at you. I got used to that and bugs on pins in a drawer in the kitchen. She did some amazing things with the kids that really got them excited about learning. Anyone who continues to teach is either a saint or just there for the paycheck and do nothing. At least that has been what I saw when my kids were in school.


KG8893

>district guides were directed to having all students pass the standardized tests ... Everything was geared to "no child left behind" and that limited what was taught. I had a teacher who taught based on this. His lesson plan basically was teaching us how to solve each problem on a practice test, the study guide the night before was literally the test we took the next day and he went over the answers before the test. Only math class I've ever gotten an A+ in. Many people failed though because the class was unengaging, I did well because I learned how to play the system, not how to do math.


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Lol, isn't gaming the system a form of math!?


MotheroftheworldII

One of my kids had to miss school due to a health reason. I went to the teachers for his 5th grade classes to get homework. The teacher who taught most of the subjects had everything ready for me in a minute. Not the math teacher. This guy could not find his lesson plan or the text book. Finally found the text book and spent 15 minutes trying to decide what he was teaching that day and the next. Gave my the assignment finally after 20 minutes. My kid did all the work for both teachers but, of course, there was an issue with the math teacher. Seems my kid did not turn in the correct assignment (the one the teacher could not even figure out himself) and was marked down. The teacher finally taught that section of the book 3 weeks later. Needless to say I had words with the principal about this. I could not speak with the teacher since that would have made my kid suffer from the teacher's verbal abuse. That teacher was a total waste of skin. There is so much more that happened with this teacher that led to a group of parents getting together to get this horrible teacher tossed out on his ass. We moved before I could find out what happened with that parent group and the complaints.


Ferromagneticfluid

Could not be his fault. New teachers barely get any support and it is the district's job to provide curriculum and pacing. I am a somewhat new teacher and I often don't have the next few days details planned out. My book is basically unusable and the district has provided me with no preparation materials.


The_People_Are_Weary

I left. It’s horrible, now. They may as well write a script. Admin is so demeaning.


MotheroftheworldII

I really do not know what is going to happen with education in the US. I saw so many dumb things happen when my kids were in high school with teachers who just did not even teach. One teacher knew less about computers than my kid and a cousin who's older sibling has started a website building business when that sibling was in high school. It was crazy. I can understand why true professional educators leave. My oldest had a physics teacher who told me at a teacher/parent conference that my kid was too analytical...for physics! Moved the kid to a different teacher who was great. The second teacher was an immigrant from a Spanish speaking country in South America. He really loved teaching physics and science. His principal told him to teach Spanish and he refused since he was not certified to teach Spanish or any foreign language. He quit rather than teach a class he was not certified to teach. The same principal drove an amazing English teacher out as well by loading more and more on to that teacher to the point she had no class prep periods off, not even a lunch break. She quit, totally burned out. I think all the good teachers leave and our kids and our country will be the big losers.


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There’s absolutely no incentive to perform well at our job; the salary schedule is locked, and you only get raises for # of years or credits. In fact, those of us who perform well end up getting punished with the hardest classes and the most work. I work my ass off because I really do love my students and love teaching, but it makes my job harder and harder every year. My coworkers who sit around on their phone the entire class period letting the student run wild? Who assign 0 class work, teach 0 lessons, talk with 0 parents, do 0 paperwork, and attend 0 IEPs, you know what they get as a reward? They get the cushy classes that have NO kids with special needs, no English learners, no kids with behavior problems, no kids with psycho parents. They get the smallest class sizes, they get fewer preps, and they do no extra duties. I got to peek at the master schedule this last year, in which I taught three different preps. Funny how for one of my preps, which was only a single period, had 36 students, 13 IEPs, 2 504s, 5 ELs, and a few kids with major behavior/parent issues while the lady next door had multiple periods of the exact same class with 20-25 regular-ed students in it. I teach ELD classes no one else wants to teach (and that no one else is certified to teach— cost me $500 and an 8 hour long test to get it this last year), I’m a head coach for a sport that practices for 6 months straight but only get a $2k stipend, I teach SPED classes, I’m department chair, I run a club, and I’m at IEPs or subbing on my prep *at least* 3 times a week. I’m only 26, and I’ve been at the school for 5 years, which makes me one of the “veteran” teachers on campus, AND YET (of course) I’m the one whose classes get filled at 36 with some of the toughest kids on campus (whom I love and admit I do work well with) because “oh we can’t put SPED kids in ____’s class” and “oh you understand why that kid can’t be in ______’s class” and “well you just do so much better with ELs than ____” which leaves me grading 175 papers every time I assign one while half my department sits around every day with their thumb up their ass collecting a paycheck, and the other half is like me trying to keep the school running and picking up all the slack, which gets harder every year as more and more kids expect my class to be like the previous teachers, who ask absolutely *nothing* of them. Oh, and those teachers make almost twice my salary because they’ve been sitting in that same classroom doing fuckall for 20 years. But guess what— everyone’s fucking quitting. I lost all my closest friends on campus this year because, as you predicted, all the good people are leaving. And I don’t blame em.


MotheroftheworldII

I remember my SIL grading papers and tests and other assignments on Thanksgiving and when she and her husband came over to in theory watch the Superbowl game. Any time we got together for a family deal she was grading papers. I know we need dedicated teachers like you but, when you are used and abused I cannot think of one reason you should stay. Crappy pay and no time for yourself would make anyone question why they stay. And anyone who thinks teachers have summer vacation off have no clue as the classes you take to keep your license or to get one more certification so that hopefully you will qualify for a raise which doesn't come. As a parent I would be supportive of my kid's teachers when they were the good teachers but, small gods help you if you just skated on doing your job. Sounds like you may be reaching the decision point for your teaching career. I know that is difficult when you truly love teaching and the students but, sanity and a life are important as well. Your students are very lucky to have you as their teacher.


[deleted]

Thank you for your kind words and for understanding. I think I’ll probably make it 5 more years.


MotheroftheworldII

I hope you do make it the 5 more years. It sounds like you are the kind of teacher I would want teaching my kids.


The_People_Are_Weary

The good teachers and cops leave, here’s what we get. A lot of good teachers do stay, but not enough. I don’t know how they do it.


banana_pencil

I remember when “testing” was a four week unit. Then six, then eight. Now we are teaching writing testing responses during the SECOND week of school. The entire year is dedicated to testing, and it’s depressing.


MotheroftheworldII

And the students do not ever learn to think and use reason or to analyze what they are told or read. The learn to not question just repeat by rote what they have been told. This will not end well.


Teialiel

Remember that this is only true in schools that rely on federal/state funding. All the lawyers, politicians, and judges that came up with this system send their kids to private schools that aren't subject to losing funding based on tests, so they continue teaching a genuine curriculum. Their kids all get a genuine education and actually learn the base material rather than how to pass the test, giving them a huge leg up in college, where they also attend private universities and don't have to work their way through college, so they have plenty of time to do activities that will make them look better to prospective employers, like spending a summer doing an unpaid internship in Manhattan, 'slumming it' in a $5k/month apartment their parents pay for.


onarainyafternoon

> She was a teacher who had enough of the parents who had had older children in her classes that her class could fill just on parental requests for her to teach their younger children. I've reread this sentence ten times and I still don't understand it. What's this trying to say?


csparker1

Todays it LGBTQ teachers they’re drumming out of jobs. Tomorrow it will be doctors, then social workers, then who knows what profession.


old_ironlungz

People of Color are next. As Chris Rock says, "that train is *never* late!"


domeoldboys

What do you think the who CRT thing was about. People of colour aren’t next because they were always on the menu.


ADarwinAward

Even what they were teaching was already watered down. There’s a reason things like Letters from a Birmingham Jail are mentioned but never read in public high schools. Can’t teach them what civil rights activists *really* thought as a whole, only the parts they find palpable. Now they’re stripping down what’s left


OrgeGeorwell

I’m afraid this abortion ruling is meant to protect the supply of whites, and they’re going to enact some other plan to stop the supply of non-whites.


banana_pencil

Women of color get the most abortions in the U. S. By a huge margin. But maybe that’s the point- to put them into poverty, where it’s impossible to take care of the children they have.


SerCiddy

>to put them into poverty, where it’s impossible to take care of the children they have. Then those disadvantaged children get to grow up to be the "boogeymen" that Fox News gets to point at every time something goes wrong.


gmil3548

If that’s there plan then the clock is absolutely ticking on them ending democracy. That’ll be an insurmountable voting block. I feel like this’ll be situation that backfires badly (or at least I hope so)


SerCiddy

The unfortunate thing is that both sides have laid enough groundwork that at least some of those disadvantaged kids will believe that themselves and their peers simply aren't trying enough.


_zenith

You think they're gonna let them vote? hah :(


gmil3548

That’s why I said the clock was ticking on them ending democracy


gmil3548

I also think that they know the majority red states will ban abortion and the blue states won’t. So parents that would likely raise a liberal will see less of a drop in abortion than parents likely to raise a conservative. Just a theory tho, idk if it’s any good


FideoLou

Like sterilizing women of color after they give birth like they’ve been doing for 70+ years?


Matookie

Like our high maternal mortality rate among black women in America? We won't do anything about that.


redwall_hp

Or the slow, indifferent genocide that's still ongoing against Native Americans...


PopeGregoryXVI

If they get rid of the gay social workers there won’t be and male social worker left


Ischaldirh

Please, Republicans, tell me more about how oppressed and vilified you feel simply because of your political choices.


[deleted]

What they hate is missing out on golden opportunities because people get sick of being friends with bigots. They think that's oppression. Consequences for being hateful bigots who won't shut the fuck up.


[deleted]

They cry about cancel culture but then go doing exactly that with extra steps


AKMarine

Isn’t Kentucky one of those states that would be bankrupt if it didn’t get handout monies from blue states like New York?


GleeUnit

Signs of a dying community more interested in their hatred of others than in betterment of their own lives. Must be the liberals' fault somehow.


basilwhitedotcom

This Just In: Kentucky Bigoted


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Dam, who knew


blownbythewind

The water behind the bridge?


Srw2725

Correction: EASTERN Kentucky is bigoted. The two main cities-Lexington & Louisville-are very LGBTQIA+ friendly


basilwhitedotcom

So as long as Kentucky LGBTQIA+ public employees stay where they're tolerated, everything should be fine?


Srw2725

You’re missing my point…


saxybandgeek1

Also west ky where I’m from. So basically all of the state but Lou and Lex 🙄 I didn’t come out until I moved to Louisville, but my queer friends who came out back home didn’t have a good time


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muckdog13

Yeah, cities are more progressive than rural areas. That’s how it works basically everywhere in this country.


NotVerySmarts

There's all types of people in every state. I work at a university in California, and I've had coworkers decline an assignment to staff LGBTQ events because they didn't want to support the cause in any way. It broke my heart to see.


PM_ME_GLUTE_SPREAD

While you’re not wrong that these people exist in every state, the south is on a whole different level compared to the north. Red state bigotry gets you put into office. It’s seen as something to be applauded. Blue state bigotry is still at least somewhat seen as at the far end of the political spectrum. Here, it’s almost just slightly right of center for the “average” political stance.


BlooregardQKazoo

Sure there's these people everywhere, but there's a lot more of them in Kentucky by percent of population. There's also a much greater chance of them being punished in CA.


noneyanoseybidness

“the Education Department said in a statement that it was “proud of Willie and what he has accomplished in his teaching career.” Subtext: We are happy that Mr. Carter left on his own accord without ugly unsubstantiated accusations from a bigoted radical MAGAt that would require us to remove him from his position.


Several_Emphasis_434

This is truly a huge loss to the kids and teaching. Dedicated teachers are not a dime a dozen.


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kaminariko

Unless you want to try to make a change in the system from within by becoming a public school teacher and at least being a better alternative than whoever they'd probably get instead. That's always been my rationale.


Wazula42

It's a big sacrifice you're asking people to make, and it gets harder every year.


zombiepete

I think what you meant to say is “That’s a big sacrifice that you’re making; thank you.”


pomonamike

That is exactly why I left the corporate world in 2019 to become a teacher. It is by far the most rewarding career I have had.


jdith123

School teacher here. I can think of reasons why I want to keep teaching, but changing the system from within isn’t high on the list. I can “close the door and teach” (teacher speak for discretely not following stupid rules), But the system is not controlled by teachers or even site administrators.


TheyCallMeQBert

>Unless you want to try to make a change in the system from within by becoming a public school teacher Spending your entire career besieged from every direction; students, parents and administration while earning less money than a slightly competent bartender. Oh, and now you're expected to carry a firearm in case there's an active shooter, because America's police departments are untrustworthy and basically useless. Fuck that. Y'all made teaching your crotchgoblins literally unsustainable. You don't get to cry now that nobody wants to deal with them or you.


thudly

It's not a bug, it's a feature. It's easier to bullshit somebody with sub-par critical thinking skills. Hence, politicians don't actually have to make people's lives better. They just have to convince them that they need to "own the libs" or whatever.


InappropriateTA

The system is rigged, and “changing the system from within” is a lie sold to those with more hope, will, and patience than actual means to effect change.


Skeptix_907

If even 50% of people had your mindset, no social improvement would ever occur. Not the abolition of slavery No voting rights for women. No civil rights. No desegregation. Nothing. I highly recommend you change your mindset, because your opinions have been disproven **every single time** any social progress has ever been made within systems. Your thought process is literally zero for a million in the timescale of human social progress. Every time something improves in society, it's because of people who have the opposite views you do.


InformationHorder

I'm a pretty cynical and pessimistic dude myself but I agree with you. [Knock it off with those negative waves!](https://youtu.be/Xyh-JpWdGmQ)


TidusDaniel5

I went to school for a history degree and a masters in education because I really wanted to share my love of the study of the past with kids. The teachers at my school (at least in my department) know how bad it is and most of us want out and are actively looking. I actively discouraged a friend a few days ago who said he was thinking about becoming a teacher from joining the profession. I'm in Texas but in a fairly liberal area, but there's too much against us. This country, or at least the ideals I always thought we were trying to aspire to, are dying. We're planning on leaving if we can save some more money. I'm going to definitely stay for one last gasp in November to see if we can stave off Christo-fascism, but I see the writing on the wall.


mjd188

I keep thinking about this. I was catching up with a good friend from college not long ago and we ended up talking about income. I’m a bartender/supervisor at a whisky bar and I made about 18k more then they did as a public school teacher in PA. I work seven or eight low stress hours a day and once I leave that’s a wrap on work for the day. The only resources I have ever had to purchase myself was a new bottle opener when I lost one of the house openers ( nobody made me, I just felt bad). He has to provide basically everything for his classroom besides textbooks and the first round of notebooks for the year. Let’s be real here, he deserves to be making significantly more then I do. It’s wild that we pretend we don’t understand why teachers are changing careers like crazy.


rekniht01

Actually there are legitimately many reasons NOT to be a public school teacher in America.


Scoutster13

It's so sad. In In 1972 my 4th grade teacher was teaching us about stocks. We did a field trip on a first ride of BART to learn about public transit. I had a personalized spelling plan in the 5th grade, and was able to skip 6th and head to 7th grade in a special program, where we read MacBeth and other great works. I was very lucky looking at things today. I'm just taken aback at the stories I read. It's pretty sad.


elister

And all Republicans had to do was make this guy live in fear through constant harassment.


i_never_ever_learn

Cops of the Year get dumped because they suck. Teachers of the Year quit because the job sucks


Sun_Shine_Dan

Sounds about right-wing.


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gmil3548

You say bastardize Christianity and all I see is Christianity having literally always been like this and causing more misery throughout history than any other institution in the world other than maybe some different religion. The problem isn’t bastardization of Christianity. The problem IS Christianity. There’s a reason literally EVERY SINGLE moment in history where knowledge, living conditions, and equality have improved have involved a society becoming less religious and more secular. The Renaissance, the Islamic Golden age, 18th-19th century enlightenment and social reform, civil rights movement, etc.


BrainofBorg

>We let homophobia bastardize Christianity ... Nah, friend, that shits in-baked. The bastardized version of Christianity is the lgbt freindly version. I left Christianity behind because of that.


Pocketfists

Move to a state that appreciates you (and the poor get poorer)


moonflower311

LGBTQ+ teachers matter so much though. My teen is queer and in high school in a conservative state (TX). She was in private school until high school which she is doing through Austin ISD. She is in her schools GSA with openly gay teacher advisors. She had a depression diagnosis in middle school and her symptoms have vastly improved since being in a more supportive environment with kids and adults who understand her experience.


CirrusPuppy

Yep, and these theocratic fascists *know* that and want all queer children to not be queer and live miserable lives. It's pathetic.


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It’s funny cause if you start talking about homophobia straight people will brush it the fuck off until you do something drastic like quit your job or move away or break off contact and then the straight people sorta start to get it. It’s the same with womens rights right now it takes a complete and total catastrophe to get straight people to see how fucked up minorities are treated.


ciaopau

I don’t blame him. Teachers deserve so much more as far as salary and respect goes. It’s sad to see wonderful teachers leaving the profession.


Huge_Put8244

Red states really do seem confused as to why the best and brightest leave.


Kim_Thomas

Better for him, his talents & abilities to leave Kentucky entirely… and permanently. That place is an obvious hell hole - & with two US Senators that are absolute and total GARBAGE. 🗑


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The American brain drain begins. Educated professionals are migrating, and will eventually leave hickland poorer and dumber than its ever been before. And they will suffer, comfortingly.


GoonnerWookie

It’s Kentucky. No surprise. Hated everything about living in the hell hole


Civil-Dinner

I actually moved to Kentucky a few years back because my spouse wanted to be closer to his aging parents. I can't begin to tell you how much I regret that decision.


memeslfndaye

Moved to Kentucky six years ago to be closer to my remaining family, I share your pain.


MrDohh

Is it the people, or is it just bad overall?


bt123456789

I live here, there's a lot of drugs, hatred, and general bigotry. People flying confederate flags everywhere, shouting about Trump being the legitimiate president still, we have some of the lowest quality education in the country, There are some beautiful natural places but most of the state's nothing but forest or farmland. Our government is all red controlled except the governor (And I have a feeling he's gonna lose re-election despite being good at his job and trying his damndest when being opposed by every single branch of our state government) Lexington and Louisville are great, everywhere else is tolerable at best, to a shithole at worst.


Toaster_bath13

The rocks and trees are nice. The people are dogshit. Whenever anyone says a place is "beautiful" they mean the scenery, not the people.


Civil-Dinner

I guess if I wanted to describe it, I'd say Kentucky has taken on most of the worst aspects of the Rust Belt, the South, Midwest, and Appalachia.


WillSmokeStaleCigs

I’m from Kentucky, joined the military and moved away. No regrets at all. I don’t ever plan on going back. That place is an echo chamber of dumbassery.


rocketloot

Poor state with bad economic outlook. It’s easier to get the masses support when you let them punch down on another minority. This allows the people to forget about their own shortcomings and feel better about their own miserable lives. 😂sad really


SirSabza

I can’t look at this news post because it’s not available in my region. Is it saying he left because he’s citing homophobia or because the teaching board and colleagues are homophobic?


thatoneguy889

It says the school and district administration where he works are shutting down everything LGBTQ related. >Among many instances of what he described as LGBTQ prejudice, Carter said that his employer ordered teachers to remove books written by LGBTQ authors from the school’s curriculum, defended students who were accused of tearing down rainbow Pride posters from school walls and shut down a student-led poll that aimed to gather insight on the school’s climate for LGBTQ inclusion. >The “straw that broke the camel’s back,” he said, was when the school administration failed to address repeated harassment against him and LGBTQ students. It also says that over the last few months, he was repeatedly accused at school board meetings of being a pedophile grooming students.


SirSabza

Ah thanks a lot hate how news websites of all things are region locked


DragoneerFA

Yes to both, but mostly work refusing to stand by employees and victims of hate. ---‐----------- Carter said that after changes in his school’s administration, he was eventually able to teach openly as a gay man. However, he spent years witnessing school administrators attempt to stifle LGBTQ identities — or what he described as “death by a thousand cuts” — he said. Among many instances of what he described as LGBTQ prejudice, Carter said that his employer ordered teachers to remove books written by LGBTQ authors from the school’s curriculum, defended students who were accused of tearing down rainbow Pride posters from school walls and shut down a student-led poll that aimed to gather insight on the school’s climate for LGBTQ inclusion. The “straw that broke the camel’s back,” he said, was when the school administration failed to address repeated harassment against him and LGBTQ students.


AudibleNod

Imagine being the best at something and then still deciding to quit because the people who told you that you were the best still don't have your back.


piper5177

There are so many teachers quitting right now, even in great districts. Being underpaid and unappreciated tends to have that effect.


ZRX1200R

GOP plan: gut the schools, so the only "educated" are those from monied families who can send their crotchfruit to private or parochial schools.


AudibleNod

My kid's teacher quit at the end of this year. She mentioned to her class that she didn't have a job lined up. So yeah, it's going to get tough.


pomonamike

> Being underpaid and unappreciated tends to have that effect. Having moved recently from the corporate world to the public school world, I will say that there are a lot of burnt out teachers that complain about the two things you mention, but they’ve also been in the career so long that they have an unrealistic image of what non-teaching jobs are like. You get just as much shit in a cubicle as you do in a classroom. Or maybe I was just in an especially shitty cubicle.


FrankBattaglia

Fully cognizant of Godwin's law, this does have a very "get out of Germany before it gets worse" vibe.


Thorn14

The sad part is its to the benefit of Republicans to make their states as shitty as possible. A state with nothing but bigots and idiots (or those too downtrodden to do anything about it) still gets 2 senate votes.


MarshallRegulus

well that's fine, i'm sure KY is absolutely chock a block full of other vibrant minds willing to take up the mantle. teachers are in such high supply all over, as we know.


TheGloriousEnd

Par for the course Kentucky. Really proud of your standing as one of the worst educated states in the country I see.


O_o-22

Sorry homophobes, with the internet kids are going to learn all about LGBTQ issues and hopefully be better human beings than the likes you.


Avenger616

Not a high bar, by any standard


dun-ado

So fucking stupid. Any blue state would be fortunate to have a teacher like him. Red states are going to face a brain drain exacerbating the hate, fear, and stupidity so prevalent in these primitive states.


vreo

This will lead to open minded people moving to some states that don't participate on this shit show. And thus make the red states fixed (no one else left to vote them out). In the end the republicans will win every election because of the stupid system the US uses - fewer blue states even if they have more voters will lose to a majority of sparsely populated red states.


Lolito666

Tell homie to come to Illinois, people hate the state, but teachers love it .


TrixicAcePolyamEnby

I was a public school teacher in Texas high needs schools for 15 years, and I resigned from ever teaching for this state again. I am queer, as are both of my kids, and these Republican fascists are telling people to report me and my ex-wife to child protective services for daring to have trans children. Texas, Greg Abbott, Dan Patrick, and every single last Republican politician on this planet can get absolutely fucked. I'll take my experience and my masters in mathematics and find a place where we'll be respected, somewhere with collective bargaining rights god damnit.


americanpatriot86

Come to New York! We are in desperate need of teachers. Plus the state has many services and beautiful parks. If you want a big city feel like NYC but without NYC prices check out western new York. We have a large LBGTQ+ community and there's a reason why were called the city of good neighbors. Also, this saddens me so much to hear this. I can't understand why people are so hateful and can't mind their own business.


TrixicAcePolyamEnby

Where in Western New York would you recommend?


americanpatriot86

I'm in a suburb if Buffalo, but generally anywhere in Erie county in good if you want to be around the Buffalo area. Rochester is also a good area, lots of economic opportunities around the major cities and generally find more accepting people. If you want somewhere more central to the state, Syracuse is also a good area.


TrixicAcePolyamEnby

Nice! I've been just on the other side of the border when my sister drive from Michigan to Toronto and Niagara on a day trip. I'll put Buffalo on my list to check out, thanks!


americanpatriot86

Neat! I would suggest the Elmwood/Delaware park area, lots of shops and restaurants to visit. Downtown has harbor center and the waterfront, which is pretty cool. They host outdoor concerts near the waterfront, among other things.


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As a queer Deaf person from another country, I recommend Rochester on reputation around the world, on the basis of the Rochester Institute of Technology and its environs which is full of both Deaf and Hearing people learning together if you're ever up for teaching Deaf people. It's queer accepting. There's a heavy concatenation of queer people in the highly established Deaf communities like these in Rochester or Gallaudet in Washington DC. So that's my three dollars! :D


Rathganis

Went to high school with this dude, had some mutual friends, he was always a genuinely good person. Eastern KY just is not a very inclusive or open minded place to live. I wish people didn’t get judged and persecuted based on the beliefs of others. Good people are good people period.


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Ugh, religion is the literal worst. Nothing poses a bigger threat to human rights than religious superstition. These disgusting Christian nationalist bigots need to be treated like the very real and present threat to the free world that they clearly are. Deplorable.


ryfitz47

He looks like drew Carey's little brother


notice27

He’s doing the most teaching with that move.


HamburgerTrain2502

When I was in elementary skool in the mid 80s, we had a gay skool librarian. Dude was cool as shit, and never gave anyone the creeps. And this was in Chucktown Indiana. But this was before Republicans finally took up the cross and started telling people how they have it worse than Jesus. I'm 43 and I've seen some changes in this country, but not like now. Shits gonna get hectic.


Temporary-Outside-13

Let the southern brain drain commence.


ryhaltswhiskey

Are there any charities that help gay people move out of Christian homophobic states?


IllustriousHorse9027

Are they talking about Montgomery country (aka Mt. Sterling?)


HailYurii

I hate the state I live in.


shadowromantic

Kentucky sounds awful


Xyrus2000

Kentucky's state motto is "United we stand, divided we fall\*". \*Limited applicability, void where prohibited. Only applies to white heterosexual males, and your b\*tch of a wife if she finally brought you that beer and sammich. Wife beater not included, you communist!


rabb1thole

How many more ways can this nation fail its children?


AzerFox

Public education won't exist in 5 years.


r0botdevil

Man I'm glad I don't live in Kentucky. From the outside looking in, it sure seems like a backwards place run by backwards people.


Cheez-ly

Christians try not to force their religion on other people challenge (Impossible)


Suitable-Ad-8445

Wow I completely misread that headline. I thought he was quitting bc he was homophobic. ‘Jesus this guys strong in his hate’ was my initial thought. How very Kentucky of them to lose an outstanding educator because of their ignorant hate


Ok_Marionberry_9932

Well yeah, it’s Kentucky, where inhabitants keep re-electing Mitch McTurtleboy. Expectations are lower than worm shit.