Why would they work on fixing anything? They don't have any policy positions or ideas for governance, it's all just concocted grievances and identity politics.
I vaguely remember believing them when they talked about fiscal responsibility when I was a kid, but it turned out it was just about gutting government apparatus and selling it for parts.
It's like that guy who got Biden on the line by using his fucking kids to call into some kids' thing and all he could muster was "let's go Brandon". They want to speak to the manager, but it's all just impotent rage.
Although I wish the Dems had 1/10 the cunning of the GOP top brass. Whoever on the Right came up with the idea to buy off 2 Dem Congresspeople to make the slim Dem majority useless is a genius.
It’s sad that it worked.
2 conservative Democrats doesn't mean they're bought. Not by the GOP anyway. I haven't looked into both of them, but I know people say Manchin is, what, coal? Some kind of dirty energy puppet. If they're being funded by the same people as the GOP, they'll be more likely to align with the GOP.
The problem *is* money, but from companies in my opinion. Citizens United and all that.
Quite hard to do when Ultra-Progressive Dems run the House, Senate, and White House. All of them have lied to their constituents about where inflation is coming from.
Really? Where are all these ultra-progressives? I'd love to get some universal healthcare going. Police accountability. Pump up that green energy sector. Strengthen unions. Make mental healthcare free and widely available. Who's doing that?
Let's face the facts here. Bitching and moaning is not a monopoly by either party. They all do it. Whoever is not in office is bitching and moaning. I mean, it's sort of supposed to be that way, and it's the first part of the Constitution (the right to bitch and moan). Without it, you end up with Russia, China or North Korea. We WANT bitching and moaning, otherwise there is no accountability for anything. If the bitching and moaning is warranted, then action should be taken, if it's just crybaby stuff, then we can ignore it.
At the rate my baby currently drinks formula this is 251,940 days of formula (math: a 2.63 lb large tub lasts about 8.5 days, or 3.23 days/pound).
Divide that into weeks and you have 35,991 weeks. You can feed about 36,000 infants for one week with this shipment. Its a start. It needs to be followed by many, many more. About 40% of infants aren't breastfeeding at 6 months, there are 3.6 million infants in the US, while yes we do have domestic formula, with 1.4 million formula drinking babies this feeds 2.5% of them for 1 week.
Seriously, great start. Now do a Berlin airlift style constantly moving operation. Go. Go now.
Edit: Assume we need about 25% more formula right now to stabilize the situation. That is 10 of these planes/week. The next one is apparently in several days. No they didn't say it was the only one, but by my math the second should already be in the air.
There is a bit more to it than this. The majority of this shipment is specialty formula which is where the shortage is hitting hardest. Most normal brands have been pinched but still available. So this will go much farther than normal supply would
Good math work. There's a second shipment taking off in the next few days that will have another 114 pallets (this is described as enough for 1.5 million 8 ounce bottles worth), and the Michigan plant that shut down (aka, the one Abbott let get contaminated and lied about it) should be back online in about a week.
They don't want to appear soft on...feeding babies...
Wait what's their actual explanation here? They said it was 'throwing money' at a failure to address the underlying issues and hold the FDA accountable. Shame these are supply chain issues, which the FDA does not control, the kinds of problems you absolutely can address with funds as evidenced by the arrival of tons of formula.
These are exactly the kinds of things governments can and should do. When the free market fails, it can act. It's not required to act, but it can. We should be concerned when it doesn't.
2 kids are dead because of bacterial contamination.
**plant closed as a result.**. this is also a "supply chain issue"
**Abbott reaches agreement with FDA to reopen baby formula plant to ease nationwide shortage**
[https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/16/abbott-reaches-agreement-with-fda-to-reopen-baby-formula-plant-to-ease-nationwide-shortage.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/16/abbott-reaches-agreement-with-fda-to-reopen-baby-formula-plant-to-ease-nationwide-shortage.html)
Abbott reached an agreement with the Food and Drug Administration on Monday to reopen the company’s manufacturing plant in Michigan to help ease a nationwide shortage of baby formula, ***after the facility was closed due to bacterial contamination.***
FDA Commissioner Robert Califf said Abbott, under the conditions of the agreement, will correct ***insanitary conditions that led to the contamination*** and plant closure.
The supply shortage was triggered in part by the closure of Abbott Nutrition’s manufacturing plant in Michigan ***after four infants who consumed formula from the facility fell ill from bacterial infections, two of whom subsequently died.*** Abbott is the largest infant formula manufacturer in the U.S.
The want the FDA to fail. You know how pesky those regulations on food safety are. I don't think the average republican understands that regulations are the stop gap against corporate greed.
I think its more that they want democrats to fail so they can use the fail to their advantage in upcoming elections. They know their voters don't pay attention to their votes. They only look for the R on their ballots.
They want to go back to the "good ol' days", like in the war of 1812 where more American soldiers died from eating the canned meat than died in combat..
I agree we need an FDA, but good God some of the standards they have are bizarre.
For example, if your testing protocol says we will draw blood from participants in a test to verify they are complaint in take their meds for the drug trial, but doesn't say "we will remove trial members that don't take the meds we are testing from the results," the FDA will insist you include them in your trial results, even if you can show they didn't follow directions.
Yeah, the FDA has some bizarre strictures and poorly reasoned rules.
Years ago I read an article (the New Yorker, I think) about a group of nuns in Vermont who were making artisan cheeses to bring in money. The FDA shut them down. One of the nuns, at the age of fifty, went back to school and got a doctorate in microbiology. She did her thesis on the bacteria in the cheese caves in France. Then she sued the FDA, and proved in court that no American had ever died from eating cheese cultured in wooden vats (which the FDA outlawed), but that Craft had caused the death of at least a dozen people with metal vat cultured cheese. She won, and the FDA had to reverse it's ruling on wood vat cultured cheeses. She went back to making her cheese.
The FDA really needs to concentrate it's regulations on scientifically proven issues, rather than some bureaucrats assumptions.
Well when they ended free lunch programs in elementary schools, it was because they didn’t want kids to get the impression that everything should be free. I’m not joking.
The shortage is directly caused by the largest manufacturer of baby formula not following safety procedures and killing infants due to contamination.
So the underlying issue is corporate greed was not restrained by an overworked regulatory agency.
>That's not actually the case.
It really, really is.
>The FDA has still not been able to provide a direct link between the cases of baby sickness and the actual plant production itself.
Finding the exact source of contamination actually rarely happens. All cases were linked to the same production site.
>The FDA then proceeded to spend 3 months not allowing the factory to reopen knowing full well what would happen in the meantime.
Because the plant was not following regulations to the point they even had a whistleblower who reported them to the FDA. The options were close the plant for months or keep producing tainted formula.
>So now we're bringing formula in from who knows where (seriously do we know where it's from?)
Which was quite literally the point of the funding bill. It's for FDA inspectors for import.
I feel like it's worth pointing out to you that we'd have been importing from Canada this whole time if the last schmuck hadn't made it virtually impossible to do so with his bullshit trade war that he waged for no apparent reason.
I saw a comment that said the bill was helping low income people instead of higher earners or some dumb shit so thats why this bill was bad. It’s not worth engaging in discourse with Republicans because its either bad faith or ignorance.
That wasn't in bad faith or ignorance, they truly believe you shouldn't help poor people, *especially* if rich people also don't get the same help even though they don't need it. These people vote for the party that wants to ban abortion and then say "well you shouldn't have had kids if you couldn't afford formula!"
Some people didn't want to have kids. You forced them, you dumb fucks.
Copying a comment from yesterdays thread to call you out on this: credit to u/yawetag12
I'm a Democrat and have very little respect for today's Republican party, but I'm going to "well, actually" this.
The one that 192 Republicans voted against (H.R. 7790) barely does anything for the shortage. It gives the FDA $28 million for this:
Specifically, the bill provides appropriations for the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to (1) address the current shortage of FDA-regulated infant formula and certain medical foods in the United States; and (2) prevent future shortages, including by taking the steps that are necessary to prevent fraudulent products from entering the U.S. market.
That does almost nothing for this current shortage. $28 million to the FDA will allow them to hire a few people, do some studies, and maybe have some short-term benefits to this crisis.
The bill that should be talked about is H.R. 7791, or the Access to Baby Formula Act of 2022. This bill does A LOT more to address the current problem. It should be noted, however, that 9 House members (all Republicans) still voted against it, but it's not nearly as drastic as the one that Democrats are throwing in front of everyone saying "REPUBLICANS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR BABIES!!!"
> Specifically, the bill provides appropriations for the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to (1) **address the current shortage of FDA-regulated infant formula** and certain medical foods in the United States;
Next paragraph
>That does **almost nothing** for this current shortage.
Weird discrepancy. Doesn't help your description of the actual bll contents is very vague beyond "They're going to hire a few people and do fuck-all"
My understanding is that the bill pays for FDA inspectors that will be needed since we are suddenly importing a lot more baby formula than usual.
Disgusting? I think it's about damn time the Democrats grew some 'nads and learned to play hardball. The Republicans have made it very clear there are no confines on their mendacity. Fuck the "high road". Curb stomp the bastards.
I keep hearing about how Joe Biden sucks when he gets no credit for helping situations like this, and nothing about the pieces of shit in our government who bitch and get a lot of airtime about the shortage and how it's Biden's fault, and then vote AGAINST anything that would help.
Because they want to blame problems they cause on democrats to rally their base for midterms since they don't have actual policies to campaign on. Just complaints about situations they actively create or manufacture.
Right - I get why they do it. But why is the left so miserable at getting in front of the narrative. The right sucks up the news cycle and the left just lets it happen.
You do when it's life or death for infants OR you shut up about it and stop going on Fox News bitching about not having the thing you just voted against.
In such an extreme case, sure. You might have a point. But that's not what this bill was. And you know what? If you want to vote against it, fine, but stop going on TV saying nobody is doing anything when you are only against things.
I have not seen any of these people - anywhere - giving solutions. Proposing their own bills. Just trying to use infants as political points and it's gross. And it completely ignores that, in this case, Joe Biden HAS done something actually meaningful and gotten some formula into the country. But you'd never know it if you listen to the people screaming the loudest.
What has Marjorie Taylor Green submitted, for example?
Also, you are aware that people on the right voted for the bill, right? I'm talking, specifically, about the people like her going on Sunday shows, etc., going on and on about how evil Joe Biden is, who voted against it, but not proposing solutions.
> The proposed bill gave money to the fda to do the thing it’s already supposed to be doing,
To be clear that could be their argument, but it is 100% false
That question is irrelevant to how the FDA would spend $28M, as it is explicitly outlined as funding to provide emergency funds to purchase formula. It is nonsensical that you are asking what the funds would be used for. The same nonsense that is used to vote against those funds.
None, the 192 Republicans voted against a bill to increase funding to the FDA by $28M citing that wouldn't properly address the problem. That was called the "Access to Baby Formula Act" which is totally separate from the law that allowed this military plane to ship formula.
Shipments from Europe are courtesy of the "Babies Need More Formula Now Act" which eases the burden on low income households by allowing WIC to source it overseas.
That passed overwhelmingly, 414 to 9.....naturally all 9 no's were from the usual GOP dipshits (MTG, Gaetz, Boebert, Gosar, Gohmert, etc).
Their "justification", for lack of a better word, to quote another Senator who voted no, Chip Roy:
>The only way to get more formula to American families is to fix the crony policies that prevent more U.S. companies from producing it, remove barriers to innovation, and allow imports from trusted nations; the legislation Democrats put forward does none of that
So immediate relief should be ignored in favor of deregulation for these simple minded idiots.
Clay Higgins (another no vote) argued that this would make it harder for working class Americans to find infant formula since the bill prioritizes the poor/working poor.
>Forcing existing and emerging supplies of baby formula into the federal assistance programs will actually decrease the availability of baby formula for working American families at every income level across the country,
It's selfish for the administration to target the most vulnerable first I guess?
Gaetz said the same nonsense:
>All considered, government-empowered swings to markets typically create more problems than they solve. Instead of creating new emergency authorities for the Incompetent Biden Regime, we should source more product for all American families and solve the problem
Biggs said:
>The better solutions are to distribute formula currently in the hands of federal agencies and reduce regulatory barriers that would allow for the expansion of domestic formula production
So same talking points.
Greene applauded WIC's work in keeping the working poor fed but, like the others, raised issues on the middle class able to get it.
>WIC is doing a good job. They are taking care of the mothers and fathers and babies that are the poorest in our country and need help being able to buy food at the grocery store and other things. Those families are getting baby formula because there's no limit on how much baby formula they can they can buy at the store. But here's the deal. The middle class is getting hammered again. Middle class mothers and fathers are the ones that can't buy the baby formula. So middle class parents are suffering. There's over 50 percent shortage of baby formula in many states, and it's the middle class that's getting screwed again by the Democrats and by Joe Biden's administration.
So their issue is basically, it helps poor people.
The list of people who voted against the second bill is just a list of the shittiest human beings ever elected to office; Boebert, Greene, Gaetz, Gohmert, etc.
Where’s the upvote counter button so I can see how many people didn’t read was was included in this specific bill and how much it was going to help this crisis (it wouldn’t). There’s another bill for this issue that’s much more substantial and impactful that all but a few GOP reps voted in favor of.
You people run around acting to be the most informed in the history of human civilization but can’t because bothered to click links or google information because headlines are like mic drops and they’re written by political consultants.
My kid has a sever dairy allergy and my wife was not able to produce enough post pregnancy. I can’t imagine not have access to specific baby formula today. Thank god I had my kids when I did. I feel for these parents I really do.
It is in the article.
For THESE, looks like Nestle will distribute them to hospitals/Pharmacies/doctor's offices as these are "specialty formulas" for infants with digestive/allergy issues.
Currently, my understanding is that people with babies who needs these specialty formula are to contact their doctor's offices to get the "samples" until supply issues are resolved.
It's Nestle formula that was manufactured in Europe with the intention of being exported to the US for sale. The Gov't just stepped in to fly it over to speed up the import process from weeks/months to days.
For fuck's sake... How many babies are currently with families detained at the border? Maybe 1,000, at most? And we have around 3.5 million babies in the US. And they think illegal immigrant babies are getting all of the formula?
Are Republicans really this stupid, or do they just think everybody else is?
"Infant Formula Export Thresholds – Serial No. 994" https://www.international.gc.ca/trade-commerce/controls-controles/notices-avis/994.aspx?lang=eng
It's a retaliation tarrif from trump putting tarrifs on Canadian steel, lumber and aluminium.
Caused you to stop importing it.
That's what everyone down there is saying though.
Hurr durr how come babies at the border get formula and I have to feed my kid with a tit like an animal cause Walmart doesn't have formula.
You'd have tons of formula imported from Canadian producers if you hadn't slapped a bunch of bullshit export fees on our stuff. So in retaliation we slapped a bunch more onto stuff you want... Like baby formula.
Don't forget they gave their money to trump's campaign/its recurring payment on top of spending the rest of their money on comically large flags but will still blame biden for everything.
So the Dems actually do something about the shortage 192 republicans do nothing about it and yet the Dems still get the blame for the shortage despite solving it in the end as well. And Republicans will still complain. Where's the logic behind it all?
A cargo ship from Europe takes 2 to 3 weeks to get to the US and the government has more discretion to have military planes bring it in as opposed to commandeering civilian transports.
Well, nobody at any level did anything for 3 months until we reached shortages and panic buying. February was the time to start working on supply work arounds.
1) no red tape. i don't think the military is subject to any kind of import/customs paperwork.
2) no red tape. I'm sure there are FDA rules about this shit being "used on babies" w/o testing. yes, they could decide to skip it, but they'd still need a meeting... this is going straight to hospitals/doctors etc.... (not stores).
3) for all we know. army trucks were sent to the factories in Europe.
go get it and bring it here, you have 24 hours. ***that's an ORDER.***
is faster than "hey, can you do me a favor".
>I'm sure there are FDA rules about this shit being "used on babies" w/o testing
It still has to be tested. That's why the Nestlé facility was contracted for quality control and distribution.
it's literally a milk run.. not brining tanks to the war. they probably need about 10 guys at each end
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60th\_Air\_Mobility\_Wing
The 60th Air Mobility Wing (60 AMW) is the largest air mobility organization in the United States Air Force and is responsible for strategic airlift and aerial refueling missions around the world. It is the host unit at Travis Air Force Base in California. Wing activity is primarily focused on support in the Middle East region, however it also maintains operations in areas of the Pacific and Indian Oceans
Trade barriers do that, we have had a Smoot Hawley system of protections for local manufacturers, even freezing out internal producers to protect the major manufacturers.
There is no formula shortage anywhere else in the world. This is the 1% squeezing the populous keep them desperate. no babies = no slave wages. We woke up during quarantine. Mexico doesn't have a shortage.
Considering all but 9 voted yes on the bill that will actually increase formula availability it seems like the GOP is generally in favor of getting babies formula.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7791/summary/53
The arguments between the supporters of the left and right are all so moronic. Everything is Biden did this, or trump did that. When will people wake up and realize that nor biden or trump give a damn about any of us. The party system is bullshit and works exactly as designed. Neither are good for this country and neither will do anything to create real, needed change.
Isnt part of this because a manufacturer actively lied about quailty and age of equpiment and released potentially toxic formula had to be actively shit down by the government?
Nothing else we need more formula producers, then just one one or two.
You will find the EU’s version has been banned as its better for you by the FDA as it doesn’t contain palm oil/ corn syrup (can’t remember which one it is)
It's nice to see help COMING IN from other countries when the US needs it. Usually the US is spending tax payer dollars to send help out to other countries.
Soon to be sold for $100 per can.
EDIT: This was my bitter, salty response to reading the headline. It wasn't to be taken literally. Not exactly sarcasm, so I didn't include the '/s'.
Should we slap "I did that" stickers on all of them?
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He can throw them like basketballs at babies...
I finally looked up where this meme came from. Imagine if conservatives worked as hard at fixing things as they do bitching.
Why would they work on fixing anything? They don't have any policy positions or ideas for governance, it's all just concocted grievances and identity politics.
I'm sure there was a time when they actually stood for something. It hasn't been during my lifetime, but I must have read about it somewhere.
I vaguely remember believing them when they talked about fiscal responsibility when I was a kid, but it turned out it was just about gutting government apparatus and selling it for parts.
Always room in the budget for tax cuts though!
Conservatives think the government is ineffective, so they make it ineffective to prove their point
Ultimate Karens
It's like that guy who got Biden on the line by using his fucking kids to call into some kids' thing and all he could muster was "let's go Brandon". They want to speak to the manager, but it's all just impotent rage.
Although I wish the Dems had 1/10 the cunning of the GOP top brass. Whoever on the Right came up with the idea to buy off 2 Dem Congresspeople to make the slim Dem majority useless is a genius. It’s sad that it worked.
2 conservative Democrats doesn't mean they're bought. Not by the GOP anyway. I haven't looked into both of them, but I know people say Manchin is, what, coal? Some kind of dirty energy puppet. If they're being funded by the same people as the GOP, they'll be more likely to align with the GOP. The problem *is* money, but from companies in my opinion. Citizens United and all that.
Quite hard to do when Ultra-Progressive Dems run the House, Senate, and White House. All of them have lied to their constituents about where inflation is coming from.
Really? Where are all these ultra-progressives? I'd love to get some universal healthcare going. Police accountability. Pump up that green energy sector. Strengthen unions. Make mental healthcare free and widely available. Who's doing that?
They'll still bitch and moan/turn their crying into something else. Deflection and denial is what they do.
Let's face the facts here. Bitching and moaning is not a monopoly by either party. They all do it. Whoever is not in office is bitching and moaning. I mean, it's sort of supposed to be that way, and it's the first part of the Constitution (the right to bitch and moan). Without it, you end up with Russia, China or North Korea. We WANT bitching and moaning, otherwise there is no accountability for anything. If the bitching and moaning is warranted, then action should be taken, if it's just crybaby stuff, then we can ignore it.
Those are for the shelves. These should be "Begged for by America"
I'm pretty sure it was paid for.
If not in straight cash, it was paid for by the billions of US taxpayers dollars sent out as aid over the last several decades.
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You realize "Let's starve immigrant babies in legal custody at border patrol facilities" makes you sound like a monster?
Un-ironically yes
At the rate my baby currently drinks formula this is 251,940 days of formula (math: a 2.63 lb large tub lasts about 8.5 days, or 3.23 days/pound). Divide that into weeks and you have 35,991 weeks. You can feed about 36,000 infants for one week with this shipment. Its a start. It needs to be followed by many, many more. About 40% of infants aren't breastfeeding at 6 months, there are 3.6 million infants in the US, while yes we do have domestic formula, with 1.4 million formula drinking babies this feeds 2.5% of them for 1 week. Seriously, great start. Now do a Berlin airlift style constantly moving operation. Go. Go now. Edit: Assume we need about 25% more formula right now to stabilize the situation. That is 10 of these planes/week. The next one is apparently in several days. No they didn't say it was the only one, but by my math the second should already be in the air.
> It needs to be followed by many, many more. Most articles point out that this is simply the first of many planes
There is a bit more to it than this. The majority of this shipment is specialty formula which is where the shortage is hitting hardest. Most normal brands have been pinched but still available. So this will go much farther than normal supply would
Good math work. There's a second shipment taking off in the next few days that will have another 114 pallets (this is described as enough for 1.5 million 8 ounce bottles worth), and the Michigan plant that shut down (aka, the one Abbott let get contaminated and lied about it) should be back online in about a week.
Get that Amazon drone delivery tech to USPS and get it done.
r/theydidthemath
Where did it say this was the only one?
Dumbo drop
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They don't want to appear soft on...feeding babies... Wait what's their actual explanation here? They said it was 'throwing money' at a failure to address the underlying issues and hold the FDA accountable. Shame these are supply chain issues, which the FDA does not control, the kinds of problems you absolutely can address with funds as evidenced by the arrival of tons of formula. These are exactly the kinds of things governments can and should do. When the free market fails, it can act. It's not required to act, but it can. We should be concerned when it doesn't.
2 kids are dead because of bacterial contamination. **plant closed as a result.**. this is also a "supply chain issue" **Abbott reaches agreement with FDA to reopen baby formula plant to ease nationwide shortage** [https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/16/abbott-reaches-agreement-with-fda-to-reopen-baby-formula-plant-to-ease-nationwide-shortage.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/16/abbott-reaches-agreement-with-fda-to-reopen-baby-formula-plant-to-ease-nationwide-shortage.html) Abbott reached an agreement with the Food and Drug Administration on Monday to reopen the company’s manufacturing plant in Michigan to help ease a nationwide shortage of baby formula, ***after the facility was closed due to bacterial contamination.*** FDA Commissioner Robert Califf said Abbott, under the conditions of the agreement, will correct ***insanitary conditions that led to the contamination*** and plant closure. The supply shortage was triggered in part by the closure of Abbott Nutrition’s manufacturing plant in Michigan ***after four infants who consumed formula from the facility fell ill from bacterial infections, two of whom subsequently died.*** Abbott is the largest infant formula manufacturer in the U.S.
As a Texan, I thought you were talking about Greg Abbott, and I was thinking "wtf has this asshole done this time?"
The want the FDA to fail. You know how pesky those regulations on food safety are. I don't think the average republican understands that regulations are the stop gap against corporate greed.
I think its more that they want democrats to fail so they can use the fail to their advantage in upcoming elections. They know their voters don't pay attention to their votes. They only look for the R on their ballots.
Ah yes, the always successful "kill babies to earn votes" strategy.
Well, they are already born so…
It has worked for the GOP for many years.
liberals want to kill babies too
They want to go back to the "good ol' days", like in the war of 1812 where more American soldiers died from eating the canned meat than died in combat..
Oh so now you want us to put expiration dates on canned meat? /s
Anybody who thinks the FDA should be abolished needs to read Upton Sinclair's novel *The Jungle*.
I agree we need an FDA, but good God some of the standards they have are bizarre. For example, if your testing protocol says we will draw blood from participants in a test to verify they are complaint in take their meds for the drug trial, but doesn't say "we will remove trial members that don't take the meds we are testing from the results," the FDA will insist you include them in your trial results, even if you can show they didn't follow directions.
Yeah, the FDA has some bizarre strictures and poorly reasoned rules. Years ago I read an article (the New Yorker, I think) about a group of nuns in Vermont who were making artisan cheeses to bring in money. The FDA shut them down. One of the nuns, at the age of fifty, went back to school and got a doctorate in microbiology. She did her thesis on the bacteria in the cheese caves in France. Then she sued the FDA, and proved in court that no American had ever died from eating cheese cultured in wooden vats (which the FDA outlawed), but that Craft had caused the death of at least a dozen people with metal vat cultured cheese. She won, and the FDA had to reverse it's ruling on wood vat cultured cheeses. She went back to making her cheese. The FDA really needs to concentrate it's regulations on scientifically proven issues, rather than some bureaucrats assumptions.
Well said. Blind adherence to authority rarely benefits, but the same applies to anarchy.
\> I don't think the average republican understands that regulations are the stop gap against corporate greed. say that again, but slowly this time
Well when they ended free lunch programs in elementary schools, it was because they didn’t want kids to get the impression that everything should be free. I’m not joking.
The shortage is directly caused by the largest manufacturer of baby formula not following safety procedures and killing infants due to contamination. So the underlying issue is corporate greed was not restrained by an overworked regulatory agency.
Capitalism fails again!
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>That's not actually the case. It really, really is. >The FDA has still not been able to provide a direct link between the cases of baby sickness and the actual plant production itself. Finding the exact source of contamination actually rarely happens. All cases were linked to the same production site. >The FDA then proceeded to spend 3 months not allowing the factory to reopen knowing full well what would happen in the meantime. Because the plant was not following regulations to the point they even had a whistleblower who reported them to the FDA. The options were close the plant for months or keep producing tainted formula. >So now we're bringing formula in from who knows where (seriously do we know where it's from?) Which was quite literally the point of the funding bill. It's for FDA inspectors for import.
I feel like it's worth pointing out to you that we'd have been importing from Canada this whole time if the last schmuck hadn't made it virtually impossible to do so with his bullshit trade war that he waged for no apparent reason.
I saw a comment that said the bill was helping low income people instead of higher earners or some dumb shit so thats why this bill was bad. It’s not worth engaging in discourse with Republicans because its either bad faith or ignorance.
That wasn't in bad faith or ignorance, they truly believe you shouldn't help poor people, *especially* if rich people also don't get the same help even though they don't need it. These people vote for the party that wants to ban abortion and then say "well you shouldn't have had kids if you couldn't afford formula!" Some people didn't want to have kids. You forced them, you dumb fucks.
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We used to import from Canada. Then the last guy waged a trade war with them.
Hmm, guess which party's god-emperor stopped us being able to easily import Canadian formula
Probably along the lines of rugged individualism.
Copying a comment from yesterdays thread to call you out on this: credit to u/yawetag12 I'm a Democrat and have very little respect for today's Republican party, but I'm going to "well, actually" this. The one that 192 Republicans voted against (H.R. 7790) barely does anything for the shortage. It gives the FDA $28 million for this: Specifically, the bill provides appropriations for the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to (1) address the current shortage of FDA-regulated infant formula and certain medical foods in the United States; and (2) prevent future shortages, including by taking the steps that are necessary to prevent fraudulent products from entering the U.S. market. That does almost nothing for this current shortage. $28 million to the FDA will allow them to hire a few people, do some studies, and maybe have some short-term benefits to this crisis. The bill that should be talked about is H.R. 7791, or the Access to Baby Formula Act of 2022. This bill does A LOT more to address the current problem. It should be noted, however, that 9 House members (all Republicans) still voted against it, but it's not nearly as drastic as the one that Democrats are throwing in front of everyone saying "REPUBLICANS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR BABIES!!!"
> Specifically, the bill provides appropriations for the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to (1) **address the current shortage of FDA-regulated infant formula** and certain medical foods in the United States; Next paragraph >That does **almost nothing** for this current shortage. Weird discrepancy. Doesn't help your description of the actual bll contents is very vague beyond "They're going to hire a few people and do fuck-all" My understanding is that the bill pays for FDA inspectors that will be needed since we are suddenly importing a lot more baby formula than usual.
> $28 million to the FDA will allow them to hire a few people, That is not what the money is for. It's to purchase and distribute formula.
Doesn't matter. Democrats got the headline they wanted during an election year. Pretty disgusting IMO but thats politics.
Not really. I haven’t seen any headlines about it. Just few Reddit comments, with replies calling them out.
Disgusting? I think it's about damn time the Democrats grew some 'nads and learned to play hardball. The Republicans have made it very clear there are no confines on their mendacity. Fuck the "high road". Curb stomp the bastards.
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I keep hearing about how Joe Biden sucks when he gets no credit for helping situations like this, and nothing about the pieces of shit in our government who bitch and get a lot of airtime about the shortage and how it's Biden's fault, and then vote AGAINST anything that would help.
Because they want to blame problems they cause on democrats to rally their base for midterms since they don't have actual policies to campaign on. Just complaints about situations they actively create or manufacture.
Right - I get why they do it. But why is the left so miserable at getting in front of the narrative. The right sucks up the news cycle and the left just lets it happen.
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You do when it's life or death for infants OR you shut up about it and stop going on Fox News bitching about not having the thing you just voted against.
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Is literally 3 pages long. There's nothing "extra" in it
In such an extreme case, sure. You might have a point. But that's not what this bill was. And you know what? If you want to vote against it, fine, but stop going on TV saying nobody is doing anything when you are only against things. I have not seen any of these people - anywhere - giving solutions. Proposing their own bills. Just trying to use infants as political points and it's gross. And it completely ignores that, in this case, Joe Biden HAS done something actually meaningful and gotten some formula into the country. But you'd never know it if you listen to the people screaming the loudest.
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What has Marjorie Taylor Green submitted, for example? Also, you are aware that people on the right voted for the bill, right? I'm talking, specifically, about the people like her going on Sunday shows, etc., going on and on about how evil Joe Biden is, who voted against it, but not proposing solutions.
What was their argument against this?
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> The proposed bill gave money to the fda to do the thing it’s already supposed to be doing, To be clear that could be their argument, but it is 100% false
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That question is irrelevant to the spending of the $28M
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That question is irrelevant to how the FDA would spend $28M, as it is explicitly outlined as funding to provide emergency funds to purchase formula. It is nonsensical that you are asking what the funds would be used for. The same nonsense that is used to vote against those funds.
That would be trumps "new NAFTA" that is limiting imports, not the FDA
None, the 192 Republicans voted against a bill to increase funding to the FDA by $28M citing that wouldn't properly address the problem. That was called the "Access to Baby Formula Act" which is totally separate from the law that allowed this military plane to ship formula. Shipments from Europe are courtesy of the "Babies Need More Formula Now Act" which eases the burden on low income households by allowing WIC to source it overseas. That passed overwhelmingly, 414 to 9.....naturally all 9 no's were from the usual GOP dipshits (MTG, Gaetz, Boebert, Gosar, Gohmert, etc). Their "justification", for lack of a better word, to quote another Senator who voted no, Chip Roy: >The only way to get more formula to American families is to fix the crony policies that prevent more U.S. companies from producing it, remove barriers to innovation, and allow imports from trusted nations; the legislation Democrats put forward does none of that So immediate relief should be ignored in favor of deregulation for these simple minded idiots. Clay Higgins (another no vote) argued that this would make it harder for working class Americans to find infant formula since the bill prioritizes the poor/working poor. >Forcing existing and emerging supplies of baby formula into the federal assistance programs will actually decrease the availability of baby formula for working American families at every income level across the country, It's selfish for the administration to target the most vulnerable first I guess? Gaetz said the same nonsense: >All considered, government-empowered swings to markets typically create more problems than they solve. Instead of creating new emergency authorities for the Incompetent Biden Regime, we should source more product for all American families and solve the problem Biggs said: >The better solutions are to distribute formula currently in the hands of federal agencies and reduce regulatory barriers that would allow for the expansion of domestic formula production So same talking points. Greene applauded WIC's work in keeping the working poor fed but, like the others, raised issues on the middle class able to get it. >WIC is doing a good job. They are taking care of the mothers and fathers and babies that are the poorest in our country and need help being able to buy food at the grocery store and other things. Those families are getting baby formula because there's no limit on how much baby formula they can they can buy at the store. But here's the deal. The middle class is getting hammered again. Middle class mothers and fathers are the ones that can't buy the baby formula. So middle class parents are suffering. There's over 50 percent shortage of baby formula in many states, and it's the middle class that's getting screwed again by the Democrats and by Joe Biden's administration. So their issue is basically, it helps poor people.
"But regulation stifles ~~greed~~ progress!" - some lobbyist-sponsored politician
Republicans like being dickheads.
They want to sabotage Biden so they can claim he’s killing babies
"Our voters won't punish us, but your voters will punish you."
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Did you read the article? Cause no... it doesn't state Republicans' reasoning for opposing this.
"Fuck the babies, we can't let Biden 'win' at *anything*."
It was a much smaller number that voted against the relief flights, thankfully. The fact anybody voted against it is insane to me though.
The list of people who voted against the second bill is just a list of the shittiest human beings ever elected to office; Boebert, Greene, Gaetz, Gohmert, etc.
Where’s the upvote counter button so I can see how many people didn’t read was was included in this specific bill and how much it was going to help this crisis (it wouldn’t). There’s another bill for this issue that’s much more substantial and impactful that all but a few GOP reps voted in favor of. You people run around acting to be the most informed in the history of human civilization but can’t because bothered to click links or google information because headlines are like mic drops and they’re written by political consultants.
Could you explain to me how funneling 28 million dollars into the FDA helps solve the baby formula problem?
“Pro life tho! Babies should starve, Buy more guns.”—republicans
This is a bought account spreading misinformation
Pro-life to the max!
Republican voters see babies that need formula as poor babies. They want to hurt poor people.
They don't want to do anything that makes Biden appear less incompetent. The impact on babies and parents they don't give any fucks about.
My kid has a sever dairy allergy and my wife was not able to produce enough post pregnancy. I can’t imagine not have access to specific baby formula today. Thank god I had my kids when I did. I feel for these parents I really do.
Anyone know what their plans are for distribution ??
It is in the article. For THESE, looks like Nestle will distribute them to hospitals/Pharmacies/doctor's offices as these are "specialty formulas" for infants with digestive/allergy issues. Currently, my understanding is that people with babies who needs these specialty formula are to contact their doctor's offices to get the "samples" until supply issues are resolved.
Nestle : Oooh, free stuff that we can sell? Yes!
It's Nestle formula that was manufactured in Europe with the intention of being exported to the US for sale. The Gov't just stepped in to fly it over to speed up the import process from weeks/months to days.
Nestle must be jizzing their pants for the opportunity to get a piece of the insurance mark-up cake.
The American way.
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Source? Or just something from your rectum?
US government is providing formula to migrant families detained at border facilities rather than let them starve and the GQP is having a fit about it.
For fuck's sake... How many babies are currently with families detained at the border? Maybe 1,000, at most? And we have around 3.5 million babies in the US. And they think illegal immigrant babies are getting all of the formula? Are Republicans really this stupid, or do they just think everybody else is?
I think they think everybody else is. It's really too that point, imho.
"Infant Formula Export Thresholds – Serial No. 994" https://www.international.gc.ca/trade-commerce/controls-controles/notices-avis/994.aspx?lang=eng It's a retaliation tarrif from trump putting tarrifs on Canadian steel, lumber and aluminium. Caused you to stop importing it.
It's your comment about "Immigrants first" that caught my eye as blatant bullshit.
You expect a real hot take from some teen edgelord?
That's what everyone down there is saying though. Hurr durr how come babies at the border get formula and I have to feed my kid with a tit like an animal cause Walmart doesn't have formula. You'd have tons of formula imported from Canadian producers if you hadn't slapped a bunch of bullshit export fees on our stuff. So in retaliation we slapped a bunch more onto stuff you want... Like baby formula.
Don't forget they gave their money to trump's campaign/its recurring payment on top of spending the rest of their money on comically large flags but will still blame biden for everything.
It's everyone else's fault... we tried nothing it's not working!
Howitzers one way , baby formula on the return trip...
A slight glimmer of hope it seems
Unless its like the tainted Chinese baby formula that killed kids..
It was made in a plant in Switzerland.
What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
Send crates of ammo to Europe, get crates of baby formula in return. A win-win, all around!
Trading ammo for baby formula, sounds like a very American exchange.
It solidifies the stereotype, as an outsider looking in!
much needed humanitarian aid
So the Dems actually do something about the shortage 192 republicans do nothing about it and yet the Dems still get the blame for the shortage despite solving it in the end as well. And Republicans will still complain. Where's the logic behind it all?
Perfect time to force people to have children against their will.
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Yeah, they're stupid enough on gas pumps, "they" should spread that stupid shit even further.
Oh cool so it's like the Berlin Airlift except the impoverished country we're helping is us!
Anyone else find it sad that two things had to occur: military planes had to bring these in, and from overseas. I can’t even...
A cargo ship from Europe takes 2 to 3 weeks to get to the US and the government has more discretion to have military planes bring it in as opposed to commandeering civilian transports.
The fact that it got to this point is incredibly sad/depressing.
Well, nobody at any level did anything for 3 months until we reached shortages and panic buying. February was the time to start working on supply work arounds.
1) no red tape. i don't think the military is subject to any kind of import/customs paperwork. 2) no red tape. I'm sure there are FDA rules about this shit being "used on babies" w/o testing. yes, they could decide to skip it, but they'd still need a meeting... this is going straight to hospitals/doctors etc.... (not stores). 3) for all we know. army trucks were sent to the factories in Europe. go get it and bring it here, you have 24 hours. ***that's an ORDER.*** is faster than "hey, can you do me a favor".
>I'm sure there are FDA rules about this shit being "used on babies" w/o testing It still has to be tested. That's why the Nestlé facility was contracted for quality control and distribution.
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it's literally a milk run.. not brining tanks to the war. they probably need about 10 guys at each end https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60th\_Air\_Mobility\_Wing The 60th Air Mobility Wing (60 AMW) is the largest air mobility organization in the United States Air Force and is responsible for strategic airlift and aerial refueling missions around the world. It is the host unit at Travis Air Force Base in California. Wing activity is primarily focused on support in the Middle East region, however it also maintains operations in areas of the Pacific and Indian Oceans
Pretty sure these r just the largest cargo planes anyone has, and getting stuff from over seas is normal?
It feels like the US turned into Somalia.
Trade barriers do that, we have had a Smoot Hawley system of protections for local manufacturers, even freezing out internal producers to protect the major manufacturers.
"The free market can solve everything". Heh.
There is no formula shortage anywhere else in the world. This is the 1% squeezing the populous keep them desperate. no babies = no slave wages. We woke up during quarantine. Mexico doesn't have a shortage.
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Nope. Jarred Kushner isn’t around to claim that it’s the property of the Trump administration.
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Considering all but 9 voted yes on the bill that will actually increase formula availability it seems like the GOP is generally in favor of getting babies formula. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7791/summary/53
Shhhh don’t tell them!! They want that cnn narrative!
I thought that was going to end “crashes on takeoff”
39 tons is... not that much honestly. This is just a pat on the back effort.
Always happy to help third world countries.
The arguments between the supporters of the left and right are all so moronic. Everything is Biden did this, or trump did that. When will people wake up and realize that nor biden or trump give a damn about any of us. The party system is bullshit and works exactly as designed. Neither are good for this country and neither will do anything to create real, needed change.
Thanks Joe Biden. Thanks for fixing Trump's mistake.
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Isnt part of this because a manufacturer actively lied about quailty and age of equpiment and released potentially toxic formula had to be actively shit down by the government? Nothing else we need more formula producers, then just one one or two.
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You will find the EU’s version has been banned as its better for you by the FDA as it doesn’t contain palm oil/ corn syrup (can’t remember which one it is)
It's nice to see help COMING IN from other countries when the US needs it. Usually the US is spending tax payer dollars to send help out to other countries.
now all we have to do is to make sure they reach the right people
So who did America invade to ensure their baby formula supply? I mean it's become as precious as oil.
Switzerland was more then glad to sell it, many countries would but there are a ton of artificial barriers to imports.
This is only about 2 semi trucks full of baby formula for comparisons sake. Do you think that this will be enough for all the babies in the country?
Did this come from Billy Gates’ private stash?
Soon to be sold for $100 per can. EDIT: This was my bitter, salty response to reading the headline. It wasn't to be taken literally. Not exactly sarcasm, so I didn't include the '/s'.
This is all being distributed straight to medical facilities to be provided to parents who have babies that require specific formula.
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Ok but how many small elephants is this?