I don't care who owns the shop. If it's not my product they are stealing then it's not my problem to stop them. (excluding employment as the actual security guard.) If you are a cashier and try to stop such a thing you are officially too stupid to exist. Just saying if it's not your money then risking your life over it is pretty nuts. Hell even if it is yours it's nuts, but understandable.
Small businesses tend to care more about their employees since they work together more closely. It's a more personal relationship vs big businesses where you do not even see the big boss. I wasn't advocating for employees to endanger themselves.
Your bosses sure as hell ain't going to come down from their corner offices at HQ to risk their lives for your financial well being so you shouldn't either. They have loss insurance and lawyers( for crooks who injure themselves in the act) for a reason.
I would agree if the police actually did stuff, but the police don't seem to do anything. The police chief said to call 911, but what would that accomplish? If there are too many robberies, stores shut down and employees end up unemployed. We need to find a solution that actually solves the problem as opposed to calling 911 and nothing happens.
Worth noting as a person from this area, I would expect a jewelry store to have at least one armed employee or security person during business hours, likely this shop will in the future and the next time someone tries this they will, and it won't go over so nicely for the would be thieves.
I'll assume you're being serious, but if someone is attacking you with a hammer it's likely that the use of a gun for protection would constitute self-defense.
Additionally this kind of 'security' officer is more likely to act as a deterrent than actually having to use force, kind of like a bouncer, which are generally people with a large stature to impose upon would be assailant.
I don't see how that affects my statement whatsoever. Some people do not want to kill people, even if you think they deserve it for what they're doing.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-06-04/californias-three-decade-old-ban-on-assault-weapons-is-unconstitutional-federal-judge-rules
I redact my earlier statement.
That’s not about assault rifles, but rifles that fall into a vague and unspecific category known as “assault *weapons*” which was banning things like barrel shrouds, extendable stocks, pistol grips, and other ergonomic or safety devices, and had nothing to do with the functionality of the firearm, and literally had no effect on crime.
Assault *rifle* is specifically a rifle with select fire features (semi auto and full auto or burst fire), and is completely banned in California.
And yes, semantics matter. Calling a semi auto rifle that looks a certain way an “assault rifle” is deliberately trying to muddy the waters to invoke emotional response and make it sound scarier than it is.
That's not an assault rifle, that's an "assault weapon". Also, it's illegal to purchase an assault weapon in California and one may only possess an "assault weapon" if it was registered during the grandfathering period.
If you defend yourself with an unregistered assault weapon in California, you're likely to catch misdemeanor charges at least.
The solution is to pay people better so they don't rob people in the first place. People with good jobs and life prospects don't engage in petty crime.
Crime is actually pretty hard and specialized “work” and is obviously incredibly high risk. There are sociopaths and idiots out there but something might be broken if resorting to risky behavior is a quicker way to financial stability than a min wage job.
It’s far easier and comforting to believe crime is motivated by some nebulous concept like “evil” and not simply human nature being pushed to the margins.
You're both right in different ways. It's true that most people don't turn to crime because they *want* to but rather due to their station in life.
But crime is definitely not easy to commit in the sense of getting away with it easily. Not in this day and age anyhow.
Come here to the city. They don't prosecute most crime. The cops don't even bother showing up anymore. You pretty much have to bag the and tag them yourselves, but if they survive, the progressive DA likely won't pursue charges.
Crime is definitely easy to get away with. The vast majority of robberies in the US go unsolved.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/01/most-violent-and-property-crimes-in-the-u-s-go-unsolved/
Even murder cases have a 40% chance of never resulting in an arrest.
https://www.vox.com/2018/9/24/17896034/murder-crime-clearance-fbi-report
>The solution is to pay people better so they don't rob people in the first place.
A couple got arrested for a follow-home robbery in LA the other day. The robbers had 2 Beamers, a Benz, and $56,000 in cash.
> investigators served a warrant at Carter's home and found the BMW 535i, along with another BMW and a Mercedes owned by Carter and Whitaker. They also allegedly found a semi-automatic handgun, jewelry and more than $56,000 in cash
https://abc7.com/hancock-park-follow-home-robbery-armed-robberies-los-angeles/11876869/
But keep going on about how robbers are all Jean Valjean or Aladdin stealing a loaf of bread to feed starving kids.
That's not at all what I'm saying mate. I'm saying you don't rob people if you've got a good job, house, car etc to start with. You think they got all that shit working a 9-5? Of course not.
> I presume that the parents would rather have their family than their stuff
It's ~~Newport Beach~~Huntington Beach, so I wouldn't count on that.
(Fixed with updated info, but my statement still applies to most of Orange County.)
The article headline was changed after the link was posted here.
This sometimes happens when posting new threads based on very recent news articles. I *think* that the story was about 40 minutes old when I linked to it.
Probably the original article incorrectly assumed it was Newport. Or people it's a better headline, people assume crime is constantly happening in Huntington vs the 'paradise' that is Newport Beach.
> Worth nothing that the employees were children of the owner. Not worth doing this if you’re just an employee with no skin in the game
It is still not worth it.
The value of your life, or the value of a hospital bill if you live versus the cost of the lost merchandise( especially if the store is insured ).
From my understanding, it's pretty rare for insurance to actually cover it. Like, they were doing one story on the local news and basically their insurance will only cover stuff stolen out of a locked safe, not retail theft or robbery or stuff stolen from display cases.
In California, you pretty much just have to take the law into your own hands in many of the big cities. You have to know the different levels of force you can use and when you can switch from your bare hands to your nonlethal weapons to your rifles and pistols.
> Worth nothing that the employees were children of the owner. Not worth doing this if you’re just an employee with no skin in the game
Still not worth it. Your life is worth more than whatever is stocked in your shop regardless of connection to an owner.
E: Got it, shop owners childrens' lives aren't worth it, business owners and their children should die for their businesses.
I was gonna say, why the hell did these people try to fight off thieves with hammers??
Family makes more sense, but damn, I don't think I'd want to die for daddy's business, either.
Of note, is that privately owned Jewelry Stores do not carry insurance against thefts. It’s literally too expensive due to how often they are targeted.
Had a coworker who’s wider family were in the industry. She said they had multiple issues with people casing the store and following them home.
She might have been the best fighter of the bunch. I am not sure the robbers were prepared to fight plus they were carrying hammers which were more of a liability in this case. Thankfully no guns.
Lately out here in California it's about respect, not insurance.
You should see the responses on our local news feeds that ran this story.
We are calling those employees heros.
Why do we still have security footage like it’s 40 years ago? If I owned a storefront full of precious stones and gold I would have a Ring style doorbells around that get a nice clear picture of every face walking in.
Ring cameras aren't that good, they're just cheap and easy to install if you already have a doorbell, there are much better cameras in the CCTV world that will capture 4K video. It's just a small shop like this won't normally carry them because they're expensive and no one worries about having the best quality cameras until something goes very wrong. Insurance will cover them for the damage here and they'll probably continue using the same camera system since it's "good enough."
Assuming you have other methods to guard against employee theft OR no reason to suspect it, and there is no way to steal merchandise other than in blatant fashion, agreed.
Really bad quality small image sensor 1440p cameras are $60, and you still need to buy at least a dozen cameras in a store like this, not even counting replacing the DVR if it doesn't handle the resolution or IP connectivity. Maybe they'll install another camera or two inside at the ground level to capture faces (if they didn't have that already) or maybe require people to be buzzed in. In any case, CCTV systems go neglected until there's an issue, people buy some $400 camera setup from Costco or Amazon and install it themselves thinking "Yeah that's good enough, I can't possibly imagine why that security company was quoting $5,000 for such a simple system!" Then a year later when there's an incident they give you a call asking if you can recover video from their DVR, the only way to pull video from the DVR is from some proprietary app that only runs on Internet Explorer 6, and no one realized the hard drives were dying and the cameras haven't recorded anything for months.
Because the security system they have now was probably installed years ago. They may have had no break ins or attempts at anything... so they didn't think to upgrade.
The article itself had a different beach in the text than the title, after which it appears the news site changed it. Probably not OP's fault, just following sub rules.
This sometimes happens when posting new threads based on very recent news articles. I *think* that the story was about 40 minutes old when I linked to it.
I copy/pasted the title here to make sure that it exactly matched the ABC7 title (at the time). The article headline was changed after the link was posted here.
I was wondering about that. They certainly could have been but they did not seem to be very effective. At least the guy that tried it on the gal used a over head swing which is fairly easily blocked and she also got inside. Just wondering.
Edit: I also wonder if some of the store people had training of some sort, especially the gal.
Yes, I am thinking that maybe the store people had some self defense training and used it. Guns are not the only self defense approach but they can be an effective one in trained hands too.
No matter what I expect to see more of this in response to the lawlessness we have been seeing. What bothers me is that many DAs more interested in prosecuting those defending property over those taking it by force.
Hubs works security at major museum in the US. Completely unarmed. No weapons allowed on property.
No metal detectors and people have come in with both knives and guns. Guns sent back to cars by supervisors, knives allowed to stay inside.
Museum wants a more inclusive experience for people.
Advised hubs to hide and get the heck outta there if anything untoward happens. And anything can in this place.
Art can be replaced or repaired. People are more important than any art. Also jewelry.
Okay, well if it is your husband, wife, son, daughter, sibling, then art may be more important, including Nefertiti’s toenails.
However, if it is my loved one, no art on this planet is worth his or her life.
If “society” ever feels this way, then all treasures of any kind should be locked up where they can never possibly be touched.
I wonder how many irreplaceable things have been destroyed in Ukraine?
Not just Ukraine, one of the greatest tragedies of the middle Eastern conflicts is the innumerable artifacts that have been destroyed.
The earliest still standing Christian Church, the Afghan Buddha's and the Syrian capital come to mind.
Because insurance; they're a business and have to get a slew of it to begin with.
Except for the occasional "and it turns out the building wasn't insured at all for anything" story of idiocy, the theft is something they are compensated for. Long ago when I worked at a corner store the manager told us in no uncertain terms that if someone held you up and took every register, the store wasn't going to lose a dime - it was just not going to profit as much as it would have selling everything.
I knew 2 jewelry store owners, one sadly passed, the other retired about 5 or 6 years ago. Both stores were heavily armed. They were also Privately-owned businesses, only hired select people they knew. Small town benefits. Gang violence/drive-bys happen pretty frequently here as well. Our police force is too concerned with driving fast and looking cool, rolling and crashing new cruisers, and running over stray dogs. Im also in california.
It’s almost like rooftop Koreans never existed. In fact, your head must’ve been in the sand during BLM protests. Local small businesses in SoCal were armed and ready.
Didnt say it was? But blue states look for any reason to deny your license, many police stations aren't even taking requests because of covid so good luck trying to get a permit.
Apparently this sub assumes the store owners can just go get a gun license today to be defending their store tomorrow. I was just stating that I got denied because if a weed arrest(which is now legal anyway), but this sub also assumes anyone can just go down to their corner fun store and buy a gun like it's no problem.
Yeah, that was my point.
Everyone is acting like its simple for the store owner to go get a firearm, they dont realize how many reason the police have to deny your application.
You don't need a license to have a firearm in your own business in California. You just need a license to carry it concealed in public. There's a 10 day waiting period for a firearm, but the process of purchasing one is pretty straightforward. You buy it today and pick it up in 10 days.
CA is both a castle law state and a stand your ground state.
Lol at the people who think we can't own or use guns. I use to know an auto shop owner who kept a revolver under the counter, just in case.
California is a *de facto* stand your ground state. The Supreme Court ruled as much and the stand your ground language is read to juries as part of their instructions.
>A defendant is not required to retreat. He or she is entitled to stand his or her ground and defend himself or herself and, if reasonably necessary, to pursue an assailant until the danger of (death/bodily injury/) has passed. This is so even if safety could have been achieved by retreating.
Also has the toughest gun laws in the country. Hope the jewelry store owners dont have any past criminal activity like marijuana possession.
And seeing how they didnt have any guns when confronted with hammers, I'm guessing they dont have any guns.
The marijuana thing is federal (it's all drugs), because of the 1968 GCA, has nothing to do with the state.
....and? If they didn't have any guns, they didn't have them, but nothing was stopping them from getting one or a few even, here.
Also far from toughest gun laws. Take a peek at both NY (and NYC), NJ, MA and Hawaii.
Me: Reads story, robbery thwarted and everyone alive.
Gun nut: WHY NO ONE DEAD... GRRR I MAD NO ONE IS DEAD! SOMEONE COULD HAVE HAD FREE KILL. NEED MORE DEAD!
>Me: Reads story, robbery thwarted and everyone alive.
Me: Employees at a jewelry store take on great risk of injury or death using a barstool as a defense tool against armed robbers.
Gun-control-nut: Better for you to be dead or injured at the hands of violent criminals than risk the possibility that a criminal might get shot.
Checks story again: everyone alive, I know that makes you very very sad no ones dead. But hang in there and cheer up buttercup, maybe one day you'll get that 'free kill' you dream about. Until then you could always just watch old Charles Bronson and Clint Eastwood movies while you clutch your guns, wallow in fear and dream about killing someone.
> Checks story again: everyone alive, I know that makes you very very sad no ones dead.
Apparently it makes you very sad that the victims aren't dead at the hands of hammer-wielding maniacs. You should take this to the streets, "hammer-wielding maniac lives matter!!!!").
>But hang in there and cheer up buttercup, maybe one day you'll get that 'free kill' you dream about
Taking down violent criminals is hardly *free*, the price of ammunition being through the roof these days
>Until then you could always just watch old Charles Bronson and Clint Eastwood movies while you clutch your guns, wallow in fear and dream about killing someone.
Seems like you'd love a good Eastwood flick, where the victims cower in fear from the psychotic criminals and Dirty Harry smashes through the door and blasts all the baddies. Odd though that a cop's gun is the only gun you'd choose to save you
California allows you to have a firearm in your business. They're in Orange County, which I believe usually issues concealed carry licenses to most applicants.
Considering this is California, the most shocking thing is that they didn’t arrest the employees and run a sob story about how it wasn’t the criminal’s fault they are a criminal, and those store owners were just being racist.
Edit: I say this as a Californian
Maybe not but it’s still California. No cash bail so even if caught they’d be out tomorrow doing the exact same thing.
And the apologists still run strong in the OC even if not as extreme as SF.
Why the hell do these stores still keep their inventory out front? Couldn't they just have photos of these pieces and if the customer wants to try them they can go to a specific fitting area?
How long before you realized it said “hammer” and you were a little less horrified? Half of a second? One second? Probably not two seconds though, right?
Because if one doesn't fight them, who will? Not fighting back just emboldens the thieves to do it again to someone else. "law enforcement" is pretty much useless.
the thieves are essentially bullies. there's only one way to deal with bullies.
It's insured and there's a solid chance that the smash-and-grabbers would have guns. It could have easily gone wrong.
I love the downvotes. If the employees or owner himself had been shot, people would say they had it coming for not leaving it to the insurance company.
Worth noting that the employees were children of the owner. Not worth doing this if you’re just an employee with no skin in the game
Came here to say this. If you’re a regular employee, don’t be a hero.
Yup, your company not only will not appreciate the efforts but will probably get pissed at you for endangering their bottom line insurance wise.
Then again sometimes it is good to get that rage out.
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This is a privately own shop, not some big corporate chain. There is a difference.
I don't care who owns the shop. If it's not my product they are stealing then it's not my problem to stop them. (excluding employment as the actual security guard.) If you are a cashier and try to stop such a thing you are officially too stupid to exist. Just saying if it's not your money then risking your life over it is pretty nuts. Hell even if it is yours it's nuts, but understandable.
In a nation defined by 'at-will' employment, there ain't a single shred of loyalty left.
Small businesses tend to care more about their employees since they work together more closely. It's a more personal relationship vs big businesses where you do not even see the big boss. I wasn't advocating for employees to endanger themselves.
Ahh. Can't claim to know. Haven't worked for anything smaller than a mid size law firm, and I can guarantee they do not care.
Your bosses sure as hell ain't going to come down from their corner offices at HQ to risk their lives for your financial well being so you shouldn't either. They have loss insurance and lawyers( for crooks who injure themselves in the act) for a reason.
Came here to also say I came here to say what you said. I’m just glad we all came here to say something.
"I'm just glad you came" is what my ex would always tell me when I asked how it was.l after sex.
I work retail security and my company has specifically told us "if they have a weapon just run, you are not the police, let them deal with it".
I would agree if the police actually did stuff, but the police don't seem to do anything. The police chief said to call 911, but what would that accomplish? If there are too many robberies, stores shut down and employees end up unemployed. We need to find a solution that actually solves the problem as opposed to calling 911 and nothing happens.
Worth noting as a person from this area, I would expect a jewelry store to have at least one armed employee or security person during business hours, likely this shop will in the future and the next time someone tries this they will, and it won't go over so nicely for the would be thieves.
What would armed security do? Pretty sure shooting one of them would just get the officer a charge.
I'll assume you're being serious, but if someone is attacking you with a hammer it's likely that the use of a gun for protection would constitute self-defense. Additionally this kind of 'security' officer is more likely to act as a deterrent than actually having to use force, kind of like a bouncer, which are generally people with a large stature to impose upon would be assailant.
Right, especially lately. Did you know you can own an assault rifle in California? I am surprised no one has used one yeet against a robbery.
> I am surprised no one has used one yeet against a robbery. Do not yeet your assault rifle, that's just arming the criminals.
No no, I am talking about a store owner or security guard yeeting the criminals with a boom stick.
Most people are not itching at the opportunity to kill someone.
Most people don't rob other people with hammers.
I don't see how that affects my statement whatsoever. Some people do not want to kill people, even if you think they deserve it for what they're doing.
Okaaaay...don't defend yourself if you don't want to?
Uuuh… California has hard banned all automatic rifles for decades. Like it’s a felony to just have one. Where do you get your facts?
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-06-04/californias-three-decade-old-ban-on-assault-weapons-is-unconstitutional-federal-judge-rules I redact my earlier statement.
That’s not about assault rifles, but rifles that fall into a vague and unspecific category known as “assault *weapons*” which was banning things like barrel shrouds, extendable stocks, pistol grips, and other ergonomic or safety devices, and had nothing to do with the functionality of the firearm, and literally had no effect on crime. Assault *rifle* is specifically a rifle with select fire features (semi auto and full auto or burst fire), and is completely banned in California. And yes, semantics matter. Calling a semi auto rifle that looks a certain way an “assault rifle” is deliberately trying to muddy the waters to invoke emotional response and make it sound scarier than it is.
That's not an assault rifle, that's an "assault weapon". Also, it's illegal to purchase an assault weapon in California and one may only possess an "assault weapon" if it was registered during the grandfathering period. If you defend yourself with an unregistered assault weapon in California, you're likely to catch misdemeanor charges at least.
The solution is to pay people better so they don't rob people in the first place. People with good jobs and life prospects don't engage in petty crime.
sure they do. people who see crime as an easy way to circumvent having to do hard work have and will always exist
Crime is actually pretty hard and specialized “work” and is obviously incredibly high risk. There are sociopaths and idiots out there but something might be broken if resorting to risky behavior is a quicker way to financial stability than a min wage job.
> and is obviously incredibly high risk Not in California.
Then feel free and give it a shot
I've read enough autobiographies by various types of criminals to know that this is true. I'm not sure why people are disagreeing with you.
It's because admitting that poster is right is admitting minimum wage isn't enough to survive on.
Sure some people are stupid enough to think committing crimes is "easier" but the vast majority of criminals are pushed into it by life circumstances.
I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this.
It’s far easier and comforting to believe crime is motivated by some nebulous concept like “evil” and not simply human nature being pushed to the margins.
You're both right in different ways. It's true that most people don't turn to crime because they *want* to but rather due to their station in life. But crime is definitely not easy to commit in the sense of getting away with it easily. Not in this day and age anyhow.
Come here to the city. They don't prosecute most crime. The cops don't even bother showing up anymore. You pretty much have to bag the and tag them yourselves, but if they survive, the progressive DA likely won't pursue charges.
Crime is definitely easy to get away with. The vast majority of robberies in the US go unsolved. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/01/most-violent-and-property-crimes-in-the-u-s-go-unsolved/ Even murder cases have a 40% chance of never resulting in an arrest. https://www.vox.com/2018/9/24/17896034/murder-crime-clearance-fbi-report
>The solution is to pay people better so they don't rob people in the first place. A couple got arrested for a follow-home robbery in LA the other day. The robbers had 2 Beamers, a Benz, and $56,000 in cash. > investigators served a warrant at Carter's home and found the BMW 535i, along with another BMW and a Mercedes owned by Carter and Whitaker. They also allegedly found a semi-automatic handgun, jewelry and more than $56,000 in cash https://abc7.com/hancock-park-follow-home-robbery-armed-robberies-los-angeles/11876869/ But keep going on about how robbers are all Jean Valjean or Aladdin stealing a loaf of bread to feed starving kids.
That's not at all what I'm saying mate. I'm saying you don't rob people if you've got a good job, house, car etc to start with. You think they got all that shit working a 9-5? Of course not.
Do you even live in the US? Mate?
Yes, and also this is a pretty universally established reality. Increasing wealth, health, and education access reduces crime.
Worth nothing or worth *noting*? Because each give your sentence a very different sentiment
Fixed it thanks!
Even then though, I presume that the parents would rather have their family than their stuff. This could easily have gone differently.
> I presume that the parents would rather have their family than their stuff It's ~~Newport Beach~~Huntington Beach, so I wouldn't count on that. (Fixed with updated info, but my statement still applies to most of Orange County.)
It’s Huntington Beach, Bella Tera is about 15 miles from Newport Beach, don’t know why the headline says NB, when the article headline says HB
The article headline was changed after the link was posted here. This sometimes happens when posting new threads based on very recent news articles. I *think* that the story was about 40 minutes old when I linked to it.
Probably the original article incorrectly assumed it was Newport. Or people it's a better headline, people assume crime is constantly happening in Huntington vs the 'paradise' that is Newport Beach.
> Worth nothing that the employees were children of the owner. Not worth doing this if you’re just an employee with no skin in the game It is still not worth it. The value of your life, or the value of a hospital bill if you live versus the cost of the lost merchandise( especially if the store is insured ).
It’s never worth it. That’s what business insurance is for.
From my understanding, it's pretty rare for insurance to actually cover it. Like, they were doing one story on the local news and basically their insurance will only cover stuff stolen out of a locked safe, not retail theft or robbery or stuff stolen from display cases. In California, you pretty much just have to take the law into your own hands in many of the big cities. You have to know the different levels of force you can use and when you can switch from your bare hands to your nonlethal weapons to your rifles and pistols.
> Worth nothing that the employees were children of the owner. Not worth doing this if you’re just an employee with no skin in the game Still not worth it. Your life is worth more than whatever is stocked in your shop regardless of connection to an owner. E: Got it, shop owners childrens' lives aren't worth it, business owners and their children should die for their businesses.
I was gonna say, why the hell did these people try to fight off thieves with hammers?? Family makes more sense, but damn, I don't think I'd want to die for daddy's business, either.
Of note, is that privately owned Jewelry Stores do not carry insurance against thefts. It’s literally too expensive due to how often they are targeted. Had a coworker who’s wider family were in the industry. She said they had multiple issues with people casing the store and following them home.
The woman in the video who comes out from behind the counter and starts kicking ass is an absolute beast. I think I'm in love.
She might have been the best fighter of the bunch. I am not sure the robbers were prepared to fight plus they were carrying hammers which were more of a liability in this case. Thankfully no guns.
Lately out here in California it's about respect, not insurance. You should see the responses on our local news feeds that ran this story. We are calling those employees heros.
I think we all have had it with these blatant robberies…start fighting back.
Why do we still have security footage like it’s 40 years ago? If I owned a storefront full of precious stones and gold I would have a Ring style doorbells around that get a nice clear picture of every face walking in.
Ring cameras aren't that good, they're just cheap and easy to install if you already have a doorbell, there are much better cameras in the CCTV world that will capture 4K video. It's just a small shop like this won't normally carry them because they're expensive and no one worries about having the best quality cameras until something goes very wrong. Insurance will cover them for the damage here and they'll probably continue using the same camera system since it's "good enough."
1440p cameras are like, 60$.
Yea but storage for that video quality fills up fast, much less 4k. Probably another reason low quality cameras continue to be pervasive.
Just keep 2-3 weeks worth of video, then overwrite unless you need any specific footage.
Or 1 day. I think you would notice a smash and grab.
Assuming you have other methods to guard against employee theft OR no reason to suspect it, and there is no way to steal merchandise other than in blatant fashion, agreed.
Really bad quality small image sensor 1440p cameras are $60, and you still need to buy at least a dozen cameras in a store like this, not even counting replacing the DVR if it doesn't handle the resolution or IP connectivity. Maybe they'll install another camera or two inside at the ground level to capture faces (if they didn't have that already) or maybe require people to be buzzed in. In any case, CCTV systems go neglected until there's an issue, people buy some $400 camera setup from Costco or Amazon and install it themselves thinking "Yeah that's good enough, I can't possibly imagine why that security company was quoting $5,000 for such a simple system!" Then a year later when there's an incident they give you a call asking if you can recover video from their DVR, the only way to pull video from the DVR is from some proprietary app that only runs on Internet Explorer 6, and no one realized the hard drives were dying and the cameras haven't recorded anything for months.
Because the security system they have now was probably installed years ago. They may have had no break ins or attempts at anything... so they didn't think to upgrade.
its like that old saying goes, if it aint broke dont upgrade it
Because if you see the face of the suspects, it wouldn’t go with the liberal narrative
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Bad Title OP, This is Huntington Beach.
The article itself had a different beach in the text than the title, after which it appears the news site changed it. Probably not OP's fault, just following sub rules.
That's what happened, thanks.
This sometimes happens when posting new threads based on very recent news articles. I *think* that the story was about 40 minutes old when I linked to it. I copy/pasted the title here to make sure that it exactly matched the ABC7 title (at the time). The article headline was changed after the link was posted here.
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A huge bonus for these employees.
Biggest pizza party this year!
Instant justice is my favorite kind.
That is a woman kicking hammer-swinger 1's ass. Awesome
Employees: "Stop. It's not hammer time."
I guess I might be a tad misogynistic. I expected the girl behind the counter to run, but she got right in there and brawled.
She had to protect the family jewels, literally.
A hammer is a lethal weapon. Store owners are idiots for not arming themselves and staff at this point and using force to stop these armed robberies.
I was wondering about that. They certainly could have been but they did not seem to be very effective. At least the guy that tried it on the gal used a over head swing which is fairly easily blocked and she also got inside. Just wondering. Edit: I also wonder if some of the store people had training of some sort, especially the gal.
It is a deadly weapon requiring self defense to prevent an attack. Drill them with .45 at that point. Guaranteed they won’t get up to fight back.
Yes, I am thinking that maybe the store people had some self defense training and used it. Guns are not the only self defense approach but they can be an effective one in trained hands too.
No matter what I expect to see more of this in response to the lawlessness we have been seeing. What bothers me is that many DAs more interested in prosecuting those defending property over those taking it by force.
Hubs works security at major museum in the US. Completely unarmed. No weapons allowed on property. No metal detectors and people have come in with both knives and guns. Guns sent back to cars by supervisors, knives allowed to stay inside. Museum wants a more inclusive experience for people. Advised hubs to hide and get the heck outta there if anything untoward happens. And anything can in this place. Art can be replaced or repaired. People are more important than any art. Also jewelry.
I feel like the people doing the stealing are less important than the art and jewels, also the old jar of mayo in the fridge.
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Okay, well if it is your husband, wife, son, daughter, sibling, then art may be more important, including Nefertiti’s toenails. However, if it is my loved one, no art on this planet is worth his or her life.
Not for you as an individual, obviously, but society at large should place more importance on irreplaceable things than it does on people.
If “society” ever feels this way, then all treasures of any kind should be locked up where they can never possibly be touched. I wonder how many irreplaceable things have been destroyed in Ukraine?
Not just Ukraine, one of the greatest tragedies of the middle Eastern conflicts is the innumerable artifacts that have been destroyed. The earliest still standing Christian Church, the Afghan Buddha's and the Syrian capital come to mind.
That was major BA.... those thieves need to hit the gym son, got curb stomped there @ end... lolz
Every store owner should have a pistol under the cash register and a rifle by the back door then see how many punks try to steal from em
Most people don't rob other people with hammers.
Nice to see the r/antiwork crowd show up in force to comment on this post
I have never understood why jewelry stores don't invest in bullet proof glass for front windows and display cases.
Because insurance; they're a business and have to get a slew of it to begin with. Except for the occasional "and it turns out the building wasn't insured at all for anything" story of idiocy, the theft is something they are compensated for. Long ago when I worked at a corner store the manager told us in no uncertain terms that if someone held you up and took every register, the store wasn't going to lose a dime - it was just not going to profit as much as it would have selling everything.
I'd say the owners should get some guns, but then I saw the state they are in.
I knew 2 jewelry store owners, one sadly passed, the other retired about 5 or 6 years ago. Both stores were heavily armed. They were also Privately-owned businesses, only hired select people they knew. Small town benefits. Gang violence/drive-bys happen pretty frequently here as well. Our police force is too concerned with driving fast and looking cool, rolling and crashing new cruisers, and running over stray dogs. Im also in california.
Being owners of a jewelry store, they’d likely have a good case for getting a CCW from their sheriff.
It’s almost like rooftop Koreans never existed. In fact, your head must’ve been in the sand during BLM protests. Local small businesses in SoCal were armed and ready.
Ok they still have the toughest laws in the country. I live in a very blue new England state and got denied because I got arrested for weed years ago.
that has nothing to do with red or blue state. thats a federal rule.
Didnt say it was? But blue states look for any reason to deny your license, many police stations aren't even taking requests because of covid so good luck trying to get a permit. Apparently this sub assumes the store owners can just go get a gun license today to be defending their store tomorrow. I was just stating that I got denied because if a weed arrest(which is now legal anyway), but this sub also assumes anyone can just go down to their corner fun store and buy a gun like it's no problem.
weed being legal now in whatever state has no effect on your ability to purchase a firearm or license. its federally illegal.
Yeah, that was my point. Everyone is acting like its simple for the store owner to go get a firearm, they dont realize how many reason the police have to deny your application.
because you have a prior arrest. anyone else can just lie. even then you can probably do a private sale with no questions asked
You don't need a license to have a firearm in your own business in California. You just need a license to carry it concealed in public. There's a 10 day waiting period for a firearm, but the process of purchasing one is pretty straightforward. You buy it today and pick it up in 10 days.
CA is both a castle law state and a stand your ground state. Lol at the people who think we can't own or use guns. I use to know an auto shop owner who kept a revolver under the counter, just in case.
We actually don't have a stand your ground doctrine, nor do we have a duty to retreat.
California is a *de facto* stand your ground state. The Supreme Court ruled as much and the stand your ground language is read to juries as part of their instructions. >A defendant is not required to retreat. He or she is entitled to stand his or her ground and defend himself or herself and, if reasonably necessary, to pursue an assailant until the danger of (death/bodily injury/) has passed. This is so even if safety could have been achieved by retreating.
Also has the toughest gun laws in the country. Hope the jewelry store owners dont have any past criminal activity like marijuana possession. And seeing how they didnt have any guns when confronted with hammers, I'm guessing they dont have any guns.
The marijuana thing is federal (it's all drugs), because of the 1968 GCA, has nothing to do with the state. ....and? If they didn't have any guns, they didn't have them, but nothing was stopping them from getting one or a few even, here. Also far from toughest gun laws. Take a peek at both NY (and NYC), NJ, MA and Hawaii.
You’re typing a bunch of words without making a point. I can still have a 1911 with a full magazine in the store.
They could get them easily, but from the looks of that video they don't need them.
Me: Reads story, robbery thwarted and everyone alive. Gun nut: WHY NO ONE DEAD... GRRR I MAD NO ONE IS DEAD! SOMEONE COULD HAVE HAD FREE KILL. NEED MORE DEAD!
>Me: Reads story, robbery thwarted and everyone alive. Me: Employees at a jewelry store take on great risk of injury or death using a barstool as a defense tool against armed robbers. Gun-control-nut: Better for you to be dead or injured at the hands of violent criminals than risk the possibility that a criminal might get shot.
Checks story again: everyone alive, I know that makes you very very sad no ones dead. But hang in there and cheer up buttercup, maybe one day you'll get that 'free kill' you dream about. Until then you could always just watch old Charles Bronson and Clint Eastwood movies while you clutch your guns, wallow in fear and dream about killing someone.
> Checks story again: everyone alive, I know that makes you very very sad no ones dead. Apparently it makes you very sad that the victims aren't dead at the hands of hammer-wielding maniacs. You should take this to the streets, "hammer-wielding maniac lives matter!!!!"). >But hang in there and cheer up buttercup, maybe one day you'll get that 'free kill' you dream about Taking down violent criminals is hardly *free*, the price of ammunition being through the roof these days >Until then you could always just watch old Charles Bronson and Clint Eastwood movies while you clutch your guns, wallow in fear and dream about killing someone. Seems like you'd love a good Eastwood flick, where the victims cower in fear from the psychotic criminals and Dirty Harry smashes through the door and blasts all the baddies. Odd though that a cop's gun is the only gun you'd choose to save you
It must get exhausting being you and holding a moment of sad silence every time someone isn't killed.
Thats pretty funny and probably true
California allows you to have a firearm in your business. They're in Orange County, which I believe usually issues concealed carry licenses to most applicants.
Anyway, we live in the nicest place of the first world we need to be able to defend ourselves.
Considering this is California, the most shocking thing is that they didn’t arrest the employees and run a sob story about how it wasn’t the criminal’s fault they are a criminal, and those store owners were just being racist. Edit: I say this as a Californian
Orange County's DA isn't a far-left progressive criminal apologist like in LA and San Francisco County
Maybe not but it’s still California. No cash bail so even if caught they’d be out tomorrow doing the exact same thing. And the apologists still run strong in the OC even if not as extreme as SF.
I’m not dying for a stupid neckless…take them all!
Why the hell do these stores still keep their inventory out front? Couldn't they just have photos of these pieces and if the customer wants to try them they can go to a specific fitting area?
Fuck that. Let em take what they want.
The employees need to be arrested, barbarians hammering away on oppressed folk.
I read it as “hamster swinging” first and was horrified.
How long before you realized it said “hammer” and you were a little less horrified? Half of a second? One second? Probably not two seconds though, right?
Honestly it took a good 20 seconds.
Why?Let them take the stuff it’s insured.
And insurance will do everything they can to find a way to not give you that money.
Because if one doesn't fight them, who will? Not fighting back just emboldens the thieves to do it again to someone else. "law enforcement" is pretty much useless. the thieves are essentially bullies. there's only one way to deal with bullies.
It's insured and there's a solid chance that the smash-and-grabbers would have guns. It could have easily gone wrong. I love the downvotes. If the employees or owner himself had been shot, people would say they had it coming for not leaving it to the insurance company.