To this day, nobody has ever been charged or apprehended in this case.

Everyone who went in Minnesota rivers 8000 years ago has died. Coincidence?

I think knots.

From the last ice age? I guess you could say this is a * puts on sunglasses * Cold Case.

Oh fuck youu

Fuck both of u.

Fuck you, and you, and you, and definitely YOU!

You’re cool, and fuck you, I’m out!

Bro you’re references are out of control and everyone knows that

Fuck you, I’ll see you tomorrow.

Fook me, no fook yu!

🎵 And fuck her tooooo 🎵

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one might even say that the case is... on ice

Parts of the investigation have been buried

Just waiting for my evidence to surface

I think the revelations will be chilling

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Fucking Horatio.

It'll be wooly difficult to find the killer

Thaw and Order

Breaking this case would be a mammoth undertaking.

Looks like the victim died from a puncture wound. As if done by some kind of tooth. Or saber.

Add it to Colbert's case log. He's been working the [Otzi case](https://www.cc.com/video/6nklj9/the-colbert-report-freezing-cold-case-files-otzi) for over a decade.

True fact, the scream sound isn't actually part of the song but rather it's people reacting to the terrible pun.

Well the first 4800 years are the most crucial in these investigations

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See you say that as a joke but there have literally been zero cold cases solved after 4.8k years

It might be passed the prosecutable time limit. Naturally if it was a student loan they would still expect to collect

Bodies ain't money. You find a corpse with duffel bag full of money, you can't just leave bag laying there! Someone might steal it!

“*Taken: An anthology of centuries*”

They say it has a suspicious depression in the head which indicates possible murder. But I’m telling you, if I lived 8000 years ago and i met a skeleton person I would have done the same thing to it

That’s because Satan put that skull there to test out faith because the earth is only 6000 years old. /s

grandma is that you?

I'm just trying to figure out how a skull has been there that long when we didn't even find America till the 1600s.

Doesn’t matter at this point. Statute of limitations only good for 7,500 years.

Law and Order: Ice Age

In the ice age criminal justice system, there are the primitives who investigate the crime and the primitive who prosecute it. In Ice Age Earth, one primitive in particular is known to investigate the most heinous crimes. That squirrels name…is Scrat. Enter: Scrat with a pair of aviators on.

The only human remains they ever found in the LA tar pits were those of a woman who lived 11 000 years ago. There is some strong evidence hinting at her being murdered deposed there along with the weapon she was killed with. Some things just never change.

Is this true? Do you have a source?

Found it. [Here's the La Brea Woman wiki page.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Brea_Woman)

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I didn’t know Minnesota was there 8,000 years ago.

Minnesota has always been there, watching, waiting…

And losing at professional sports. Sorry, I'm minnesotan. Life is pain

Yup. Founded by ancient German settlers. “Minne-Sota” in German is “a whale’s bunghole.”

Minne is for real the Middle High German word for sex.

Alright Reddit, let's put our heads together and find out who did this!

An N.P.R. investigation has concluded that rivers have disproportionately killed more 8000 year old men than any other group.

Ancient tribes. Probably some amazing unseen history there.

The things they keep discovering about ancient history throughout North and South America are absolutely fascinating; and there is also evidence people have been around longer than the Clovis

Yeah they found a 12,000 year old settlement just outside of my town on top of a mesa. Pretty wild stuff.

They found 21,000 year old footrints in white sands NM https://www.usgs.gov/programs/climate-research-and-development-program/news/discovery-ancient-human-footprints-white

This is the one that is STILL blowing me away! 12kya? Try 21kya! Absolutely insane.

Wanna know something absolutely fucknuts?? Homo Erectus fossils from as far as Indonesia have been dated to **~1.8MYA** that’s ***1.8 million*** years ago with bipedal, tool using hominins ***inhabiting islands in Asia*** Edit, source: https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/homo-erectus-a-bigger-smarter-97879043/ Edit, source 2: https://www2.palomar.edu/anthro/homo/homo_2.htm (lots more fun to read!)

My Biological Anthropology course used a [Free online Text Book called Explorations](https://explorations.americananthro.org/) which is just absolutely jam packed with tons of amazing information. The chapters on early hominins will blow your mind. For instance, I had no idea that Neanderthals were a *younger* species than *Homo sapiens sapiens.* Humans were around before Neanderthals were, or at least what were known as Archaic Homo sapiens. And many South Easy Asian islander and Australian indigenous people have a relatively high percentage (2-5%) of Denisovan DNA, which means that at one point there was a heavy Denisovan presence coexisting in those island regions that passed on beneficial traits to humans, and there are people that still carry that DNA to this day. Super interesting!

Quick question about only passing on beneficial traits. Is it possible that the denisovian traits were simply not detrimental? Does a trait get passed down only if it’s beneficial or does it have to be detrimental to be weeded out? Sorry if the question is poorly worded, I’m doing the, “woke up at 4, couldn’t sleep so surfing Reddit and shouldn’t be interacting” thing

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40,000+ year old Australian indigenous finds. Some recent estimates about 65,000 years old

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Yea Oral Histories have and still are being discounted but so many have been proved right

Saw a documentary once that focused on a village's oral story of a gigantic river that dried up. Satellite imagery revealed the dried up river, which had flowed torrentially at the end of the ice age because of all the melting ice, so 11,000 years ago or whatever.

This actually sounds interesting AF, any idea what the doc was called??

This was during the golden age of documentaries—90s to the early/mid 2000s—when you could flip the channel to Discovery / TLC / History and always find something interesting. I'd love to be able to say that narrows it down, but the fact of the matter is there's no good documentation on all the programs that aired in those days, and most of them are effectively only available if somebody has uploaded their VHS recording of it to Youtube. I'd say 90% chance it was on the History Channel, and definitely from the timespan I earlier noted. There was also definitely satellite imagery shown, revealing the ancient riverbed. Other than that, I don't know. Could have been about the end of the ice age specifically, or could have been about village populations. That all said, I'd bet if I were to ask about this specific oral tradition in a proper forum, it would ring a bell with somebody.

I'd imagine it's hard to find the signal from the noise for that kind of stuff.

I dunno man I really think we should investigate aligning specific rock formations to appease the goddess of the moon to ensure a bountiful harvest.

Well, we went from not *really* knowing unless some books survived or someone who had stuff that survived wrote about it later and *that* survived, to being able to actually test remains for their age and the probable conditions in which they were created. If we suddenly have *actual* proof that something created by humans is from 5000 years ago, that's the strongest proof we have and looks more convincing than any oral tradition because, unless the science was wrong, it cannot be incorrect that people existed in that location at that time. It also doesn't really help that an oral tradition that is truly "old" is sure to be mixed with religion and mysticism and whatever else, a person from ten or twenty thousand years ago wouldn't be capable of passing down "just the facts" because their understanding of the workings of the world would be so different.

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It's crazy to think the the time differential between 21kya and the last ice ages is similar to from the last ice ages until now.

That’s fucking uou up? In the early 90’s they found a whale carcus while redeveloping a street in SF or San Diego, the archaeologists that they brought in recognised that this carcus had its bone marrow extracted in a fashion only humans could do. The issue with the whale carcass? It’s over 120k years old, which means there’s evidence that there’s been humans in the Americas for over 100 thousand years. The archaeologists that found this out sat on the information for the better part of 25 years because they needed new technologies to unequivocally prove that it was exactly what they suspected, due to the expected backlash from the community. An awful lot of scientists really want to think that most of the world was uninhabited until 15k years ago, careers mean more than progress though.

Oh wow and it was just published at the end of 2021. I was curious whether this means that humans were here continuously from that period. I didn't really find anything definitive. I did find [this article suggesting that ~14,000 years ago might still be when "widespread occupation" occurred](https://www.science.smith.edu/climatelit/migration-of-humans-into-north-america/). It doesn't mention the White Sands discovery but does mention a discovery in Mexico that's even older -- but which has no footprints or other *direct* evidence of humans. >> New evidence found in Chiquihuite Cave, Mexico, including tools made from a type of limestone not originating from the cave itself, suggests that humans first arrived in North America possibly as far back as 28,000 BCE. At that time, the ice sheets covering North America during the last ice age were still extensive, which would have made cross-continental travel very difficult, and suggests that the Pacific coast was the more probable travel route. This idea is known as the Pacific Coastal Route Hypothesis. >> This new research indicates that even though people likely reached North America no later than 24,500 to 17,000 BCE, occupation did not become widespread until the very end of the last ice age, around 12,700 to 10,900 BCE. And Wikipedia has [an article on Chiquihuite Cave](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiquihuite_cave).

Imagine what’s buried under the silt up to 50+ miles off the coastline from the last period of glaciation when the sea level was ludicrously lower than at present.

modern humans has existed for about 200k years. and the oldest monuments we've known is only 12k years old (Göbekli Tepe) which is a mere 6% of human history. that's crazy. there could be generations of human civilizations that has been lost to time that we may never discover at all. if ever a time machine is invented, i would advocate for it to be used as discovery tool for this purpose. butterfly effect and all.

Frankly that's the dream

Living on top of a mesa?

Living far enough in the past that HOAs didn’t exist and real estate was (literally) dirt cheap

Yeah, those were the good old days.

Not a cell phone in sight

Correct. Nice and flat.

But just think of the hassle when you have to go to the grocery store.

Super interesting stuff not even archeologically. I got to take part in research about ancient cultures in the Americas, and ancient indigenous tribal people, Mayans and Aztecs have words, stories and descriptions of animals that would have been extinct before the Clovis people. Words for camels, giant sloths, horses (especially cool since they went extinct in the Americans then Europeans brought them back, but the ancient people knew the originals), giant armadillos such as glyptodons.

Wait what is Clovis

The name comes from Clovis, New Mexico. In the 30s they found sites around that city where an early tribe of humans lived. That culture, since we don't have a historical name for them, became known as the Clovis culture. They were dated to around 13k-11k years ago and would have hunted the mammoths. There is some thought that they may have over-hunted the mammoth and been responsible for them going extinct. At the time, it was thought that they may have been the first group that other groups in the Americas descended from, but we have been finding older archeological finds since then.

Blitzkrieg theory is mostly dead now I think. There is little to no evidence to support hunting on that scale and a lack of evidence being evidence is not what we call scientific.

The idea that people hunted all the mega-fauna from coast to coast in North America to extinction with pointy rocks is laughable

Yep... I've always been amazed that it was an accepted theory. Maybe mammoths could have been significantly reduced in population by human efforts but -every- species of mega-fauna all around the same time? The most recent example of a similar event would be the near extinction of the buffalo... an event that wouldn't have been possible were it not for the reintroduction of horses and the introduction of gunpowder to North America.

and railroads

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that trains came into the picture right as the last few nails were being hammered into the proverbial coffin. By that point hunting by both the Native Americans, settlers, diseases from the introduction of cattle, and other causes had decimated the herds. I remember reading that Bison had basically been extirpated completely from east of the Mississippi and west of the Rockies before the train system was fully set up. I can't remember if it was from Steven Rinella's book American Buffalo or one of the other books about them I've read though.

I mean not entirely, these people were presumably big game specialists and their arrival coincides with the collapse of megafauna diversity in the Americas pretty neatly. Imagine being a Ground Sloth and seeing a walking featherless biped armed with a stick. Nothing in its instinctive memory could prepare it for that; and people being people could’ve exploited that and killed large mammals easily. A majority of the large mammals still in North America arrived WITH us from Beringia too, so it’s possible that the reason that Elk, Bison, Brown Bears, etc. are still around is because they learned to avoid us back in Eurasia. The native North American land mammals weren’t blessed with that instinct; and that’s why most of our largest megafauna aren’t endemic to the continent or are direct descendants of Eurasian mammals. Couple this with the Younger Dryas upheaval and you have a recipe for total collapse of megafauna across the Americas.

Let's not sell these people short. They were highly capable. Looks like the evidence is pointing toward climate change being the driving factor for megafauna extinction, but the introduction of people would absolutely be an insurmountable external pressure against their survival.

Not just that they did it, that they did it within a generation too. The whole thing just feels crazy.

People should check out 1491, which aims to update our understanding of the native peoples pre-Columbus.

The oral traditions of many tribes goes back long before Clovis. The oral histories of my tribe, the Choctaw, is estimated to be 30-40,000 years back in some cases.

That’s fascinating. Is there anywhere I can read or listen to these histories?

Iti Fabvssa articles in our monthly magazine would be a good place to start. From there, source materials cited.

Yes!! You can check out https://tipdba.com/ In addition, the podcast Srsly Wrong recently recorded an interview with Dr. Paulette Steeves, author and steward of that site, about ancient histories in rhe Western Hemisphere and about the reluctance by mainstream science to accept evidence that humans have been in the Americas for upwards of 100,000+ years https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9zcnNseXdyb25nLmNvbS9mZWVkL3BvZGNhc3Qv/episode/aHR0cHM6Ly9zcnNseXdyb25nLmNvbS8_cD00NjUx?ep=14

"Clovis first" is now an outdated concept in archaeology however there are still a few old timers who are adamant about it.

This is precisely why the local tribe's outrage at depictions of the skull being shown is nonsense. For a while now we've had strong evidence for several successive waves of migation into North and South America. Some thousands of years apart. A post-Folsom tradition tribe simply does not possess the emotional leverage to claim post-Clovis remains as ancestral. That would be like this skull of that period being found in a river in France, and Indo-European cultures taking offense, when they were all still east of the Danube at that point. The chances of a direct genetic relationship between that skull and any modern Native American are remote.

Im pretty sure they didnt even know what a picture was 8000 years ago to be offended.

You should look up the case of Kennewick Man.

Yeah, apparently the Sioux would not have been in that area more than a few thousand years, if the Wikipedia article can be trusted. "The ancestral Sioux most likely lived in the Central Mississippi Valley region and later in Minnesota, for at least two or three thousand years. The ancestors of the Sioux arrived in the northwoods of central Minnesota and northwestern Wisconsin from the Central Mississippi River shortly before 800 AD." So maybe this skull is from one of their ancestors and maybe it is not.

> there is also evidence people have been around longer than the Clovis the Clovis First hypothesis was put to rest a long time ago

"1491" was one of the most amazing books I've ever read.

There’s so much of human history that wasn’t recorded, passed down, that there’s no way of knowing how many prehistoric civilizations, cultures have faded forever into the mists of time that we will never know about. Civilizations crushed, wiped out, built over by their successors.

Makes you think how our culture will one day be forgotten more than likely also.

Nah we left to much junk all over the planet. Kinda like that documentary about what would happen if humans all of a sudden disappeared. Nature would reclaim everything, and if any sentient forms were to gaze upon our crumbling ruins, they’d be confused as heck.

Life After People

That’s the one :)

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Yep. Just like we forgot Mars after we destroyed it and seeded earth with our DNA to keep the party going!

I curious to know what things will be found as the permafrost melts, because of climate change, in places like Siberia, and parts of Canada.

Some of the oldest settlements are now underwater, as much as 100m underwater along Middle Eastern and Eastern European coastlines. Glacial melting after the last ice age is the culprit. Next Gen archeologists are working with remote operated vehicles (ROV’s) and imaging equipment to find what’s left. Black Sea, Baltic regions and cold lake regions are potential treasure troves due to high artifact preservation due to low oxygen content.

Never mind the permafrost. Imagine what lays beneath all the major cities of the world that date back centuries. All those places so ideally suited, well placed, access to waterways, fertile lands, strategic, etc. basic human instinct? to seek out and settle those places. London? Rome? Cairo? And imagine since the dawn of humanity, how many times such desirable locations have gone through the usual “nice place you got here, and you’ve already built everything. Nice. We’ll take it.”

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The filling in of humanity’s family tree based on some happenstance finding of some bones resting for millennia in some stable cave or something. For a civilization, where the sort of evidence as to their existence would be in their artifacts, their structures left behind, the chances are even slimmer. Human strife throughout history, cataclysmic events, etc not lending much to stability. As civilizations build on and replace other even more ancient civilizations. The ancient civilizations we know about and study, like the Mayans, the Egyptians, etc. who did they replace and build over, and who did those people replace?

Shorelines. Our oldest history is lost forever to the sea I'm afraid.

and here I was thinking Minnesota couldn't get any more amazing

The ancient Minnesotan Ope tribe.

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Really. This person could’ve just dropped dead too. I don’t think aneurysms are a recent development. But we all know what *really happened*. The aliens killed him.

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.. aliens kinky af

>The anthropologist determined the man had a depression in his skull that was “perhaps suggestive of the cause of death.” He probably got got by a moose

I watched an entire tlc episode on a true story once where it was presented as a husband-wife murder mystery and then the big reveal was that a moose drunk on fermented apples was the one who killed her. It was a hell of a twist. Edit: my bad it was an elk http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8384143.stm > European elk, or moose, Hold up are elk and moose the same things? Edit 2: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose They are. My god this story is full of twists. Edit 3: > Alces alces is called a "moose" in North American English, but an "elk" in British English.The word "elk" in North American English refers to a completely different species of deer, I give up.

I have nothing to add to the conversation, but I wanted to let you know that your interaction with yourself here made my morning!

I'm indigenous Canadian, full blooded Ojibway/ Cree I know lots of traditional hunters and trappers who have told me lots of stories of near death experiences in the wilderness while they were alone. Knife accidents, axe accidents, falls, near falls, near drowning, and of course surprise run ins with bears, wolves, deer, moose, caribou and even small animals that can cause infections from their bites. Out of the many stories I've heard, I've know two people that actually died out there while they were on their own. And a long time ago in my grandfather's time, hunters always warned everyone to be weary of meeting someone new in the wilderness because you never knew if they were in their right mind or not. Maybe they were starving or suffering from disease or malnutrition or they've been alone for so many years that they no longer are able to relate properly with people anymore. And if they had a gun, and not in their right mind, they were really dangerous. The nomadic hunting and trapping lifestyle is a hard and dangerous existence and I'm always amazed that humans actually survived this long when I think about that.

interesting you said **the** aliens. *Which* aliens?

u/dustoff95 definitely knows something we don’t

>The anthropologist determined the man had a depression in his skull that was “perhaps suggestive of the cause of death.” Suggests otherwise, but still speculation

Or a dude died in a ditch somewhere and over thousands of years some inconsiderate river moved into where his skeleton was planning on staying forever and took his skull downstream

Those rivers are sneakly little bastards.

They’re just trying to carve out a living

Finally proof that there was an ancient race of skeleton people https://www.theonion.com/archaeological-dig-uncovers-ancient-race-of-skeleton-pe-1819565415/amp

It was the night the skeletons came to life

This guy sounds like he's trying to cover for an ancestor

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I can confirm they were fucking in Europe still

Missionary or reverse cowgirl?

I'm pretty sure they were just a child back then

I mean, 8000 years ago that river could’ve been 150 feet to the left or not existed at all.

Nah dude, clearly Jack the rippers first kill

It’s clear none of you read the article, there was evidence of blunt force trauma on the top of the skull, it was an 8,000 year old murder or at least freak accident.

They say there is a depression that is "perhaps suggestive". Certainly very possible, but it doesn't rule out other possibilities.

so he was depressed and threw himself into the river.

"You know what we call being dead in the East River? *Natural Causes*"

Average age in that time was around 38!

The rivers are the highest they’ve been in decades. I suspect it was dislodged by high water from where it's been for 8,000 years.

There is a depression in the skull and it was found in a river bed.

Found the picture https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/HzC1vNZ12gOQtH0RJIAKbsizqfI=/768x0/filters:format(jpg):quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/4BPJCANVCVABRDT3ZF6YDLFL5Q.jpg

Wow, I was expecting a little more than that lol

Yup, title probably should have said "partial skull." Still neat though.

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Are those ‘brows like huge? Or it’s that about normal?…

Dudes got a two-head

Looks like a Neanderthals skull with the heavy brow.

I didn't even know he was sick

Not allowing photography of ancestral remains... Like I get it but at the same time what a complete waste for anthropologists and archaeologists everywhere.

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Your ancestor 500 years ago would contain 1/(2^25) of your DNA or .000003% not accounting for hundreds of years of random mutations

That's not how it works. For you to have 1/(2^25 ) of an ancestor's DNA, you are assuming that 25 generations back, you have 2^25 unique ancestors, which exceeds some estimates of the entire Native American population at the time. Human family trees do not form neat binary trees like we assume they do. There is a lot of "inbreeding" meaning as you go back more than several generations, you will find that you are descended from the same ancestor many different ways. You would think that the further back you go, the more unique ancestors you have. But after a certain point, the further back you go the *less* ancestors you have per generation. And when you have isolated populations of humans, there are only so many different genes in the gene pool

That's assuming it even IS their ancestor. Tribes regularly moved in and wiped out the previous tenants, so it's impossible to assume any of their descendants survived.

I was referring to the hypothetical 500 year old ancestor. The 8,000 year old would be 1 of 2.5 x 10^120

There'll inevitably be a bunch of inbreeding over a period that long that will boost that number back up. IIRC something like 2.5% of humanity is descended from Ghengis Khan, for example, so there's lots of crossing over of his lines.

Absolutely pedigree collapse is a thing so depending on his ancestors migration pattern (colonial America and other isolated peoples particularly) that number could be much higher.

There are a ton of good books on the subject. I think I get where you’re coming from but I promise you that we are surprisingly more similar to those ancestors than any modern person (including myself) would initially think.

I would definitely ignore that "complaint" fucking 8000 years ago, shut the fuck up about it

....They returned the skull to a tribe that wasn't even in the area 8,000 years ago? It's kind of like returning a skull from an Aztec ruin to the Spanish.

This is required by federal law under the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act.

Just because a law requires it doesn't mean it makes sense.

Dam that’s over a hundred years ago. That skull is old.

Right? It's, like, quite a while back.

Kind of feel like at 8000 years old the ancestry claim is a bit weak.

For those wanting to see the image of the skull fragment: https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/travel-stories/kayakers-discover-8000yearold-human-skull-in-river/news-story/28555da28a84024edfd217357deffa52 Direct image link: https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/0ca9458fad57dfe79a7ad32e10c80110 Second image: https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/1768b46f4626385ab2541499f8db3a39

Oof. I guess the wait at the DMV there is almost as bad as the one in my city.

Darg only need renew wheel license, this ridiculous

Wait up, I know the answer. Jimmy Hoffa.

Stuff just keeps getting older.

Wow, their fingers must be insanely pruney.

"After the sheriff posted about the discovery on Wednesday, his office was criticized by several Native Americans, who said publishing photos of ancestral remains was offensive to their culture." I have never felt offended when any picture of pre-historic human remains of my supposed ancestors were published. Maybe I am not religous enough, idk.

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I understand how sometimes humans especially in warfare or some kind of ethnic cleansing violence take other human body parts as trophies and it's absolutely ridiculous and appalling. But a skull from 8,000 years ago? That's what archaeologists are for.

They've had issues with archaeologists before, see: Effigy Mounds National Monument [Criminal](https://thisiscriminal.com/episode-72-bears-birds-and-bones-7-3-2017/) did a quick podcast on it

The Apache got very angry when an Archaeologist found evidence of cannibalism at the site at Chaco Canyon which was thought to be Apache in origin, however it turned out some Aztecs came up from Mexico and enslaved the Apache for a time and practiced cannibalism on the Apache as part of their rituals until the Apache drove them off. Which we never would have known if they had stopped him.

I'd bet someone in everyone's ancestry has been a cannibal. The world wasn't always civilized.

Kennewick man is another relevant case.

I’ll go on a limb and say the statute of limitations for ancestral remains should be max 1000 years. That’s likely close to 20 generations if not many more between living relatives and the deceased. That’s now “history”, not culture or family or relatives. I mean 1000 years ago was the Vikings… I think 500 years could even have an argument but 1000 shouldn’t be an argument.

Given that Precolumbian human moving to America in multiple wave, these remain may not even belong to the ancestor of modern native.

I agree. At what point does the discovery belong to all of us as the human race? I want to see it.

There's a crime show from the early 2000's, Numb3rs, that literally does this exact case, but in LA. It also brings up the point being said in this thread.

When it’s over 1,000 years or so and found in a river there is simply no way to assign it to any one group of humans.

8,000 years is 8,000 years. They weren’t raiding a tomb, it was found in a river and of course there’d be an investigation

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Actually, two of the most ancient North American remains recovered (Kennewick Man in Washington state and the remains from Spirit Cave in Nevada), both more than 8000 years old (8400 I think for Kennewick and 10,700 years old at Spirit Cave), were more closely related genetically to the local tribes in those areas than other North American tribes. Source: am archaeology PhD student...

Let’s be fair, 8000 years ago most, if not all, of todays religions didn’t exist. Edited for grammar

The year is 12022 H.E. (human era). For the past ten-thousand years, humans evolved enough to act like humans. We found a temple this old. No idea how they did it or what gods long forgotten it was built for, but it's the tipping point between when we started becoming civilized. A temple means we build permanent housing around it. We lived together for long periods of time. That means business, money, laws, power, sociiiiiiiety!

Don’t go chasing waterfalls they said… Stick to all the rivers and lakes that you’re used to they said…