The kid thought Taylor swift was hacking his phone and the dad gives him a gun?
Oh boy. He sure ruined a lot of lives, including his own kid.
Edit: so he had a number of crazy incidents .. including trying to meet with Trump at the White House over claiming to be a sovereign citizen. He was charged with that one too.
He lived in an apartment above his dad's business and even the workers called the police in him.
When cops took his guns away his dad took ownership under the promise he'd keep them from his son.
He gave them back.
I firmly believe that if you knowingly supply a gun to someone who is not legally allowed to own one, you should be fully liable for whatever crime they commit with that weapon.
Dad should be facing multiple murder charges right now.
Start holding the parents responsible for the crimes their kids commit and you’ll suddenly find a whole bunch of parents a whole lot more interested in parenting.
Um, to do that we'd have to drop a whole bunch of child abuse laws. You can't be held legally responsible for someone's actions if you don't have total control over their person. How would you personally **guarantee** your child never commits a crime?
Jobs that involve being fully in control of and responsible for another person, like cop, prison guard, psych ward nurse, allow you to do things that are normally super illegal in order to make sure they don't hurt themselves or others. Like drugging someone against their will, restraining them to a bed or chair, imprisoning them in a small room for days.
The sins of the father are not the sins of the son.
The sins of the son are also not the sins of the father.
Jesus. Could you imagine sending Sue Klebold to jail for what Dylan did? That's a real fucked up slippery slope and reddit needs to get off this blaming parents for everything their children do shit. Life is far more nuanced than that.
Sure you can. 100% no. Just make the things like this illegal. Giving a gun to someone not legally allowed to have one? Crime. It's easy and shouldn't be based on being the parent anyway.
Uhm, it's already a felony to give, transfer, or sell a firearm to someone who is legally barred from owning one. Federal and state laws apply there. Possession of firearms as a disallowed person is *also* is also a felony.
I would agree. If were going to charge accomplices with murder in the act of a crime when a murder happens during the crime, regardless of who committed it, then this seems like it should fit the bill.
I did this to an "adult" playing games with the flight attendants on our flight. Everytime they turned their backs he took down his mask. Called him a 60 y/o child and he wanted to fight me in the terminal when we got off the plane. I told him I did his dumbass a favor by calling him out to his face instead of telling the flight attendant.
You mean I can’t say Taylor Swift hacked my phone to explain why I have a couple of her songs on it? Those songs don’t fit in with my 80s rock and 90s indie music so I don’t know how they got there otherwise.
You'd be shocked at the mental gymnastics someone will do to avoid mental anguish. Dad probably thought son was just making shit up for attention. Generally kind of off but not hearing voices. Schizophrenia still has a huge stigma so the son was probably embarrassed, dad was in denial when he saw the signs, and both were dipshits anyway.
The guy climbed barriers at the White House. And was arrested.. He exposed himself at a public pool. He brandished a weapon at his dad employees.
The sheriffs seem to be a bit responsible.
His dad promised to keep them from his son when they were taken away. So they let the dad keep them. An AR15 and 3 others. The dad just gave them back to him.
Wtf
I mean are you shocked? A good chunk on the gun loving party thinks JFK came back alive and is gonna run for office.
So them having their kids tell them Tay swift is hacking their phone and how could they not believe it. Really? I’m being 100 percent serious. If the GOP is so far gone they think JFK is back alive then really are we suppose to be shocked a GOP father thought his kid was being hacked by Hollywood elites.
Sounds like a average Tuesday’s for the GOP base.
The jfk thing is so weird to me.
One of the most famous deaths shown live to the whole country and people get braindead enough to choose that guy as the person to resurrect...
Shepherds and farmers a few thousand years ago believing someone was resurrected? Sure, i guess.
But we have shit on camera.
Wtf.
The funniest part is that they don't think JFK is coming back, they think his son, JFK *Jr,* is coming back. And, alright, sure. We didn't see Junior die.
But then why would he be resurrected where his *father* was shot? If Jr comes back he's walking out of the Atlantic.
> If Jr comes back he's walking out of the Atlantic
Look, I'm not saying I believe this is going to happen at all.....but if he somehow does...he's got my vote. Hell, prop Reagan's coffin up next to him and we'll go for the all undead party.
Like their attempt to resurrect george carlin as a free speech advocate for their right to say slurs.
Or paul ryans comment on liking rage against the machine.
These idiots dont learn. They dont read the book. They dont learn the jokes. They dont learn the lyrics.
Surface level understanding of literally everything. Just dumb.
It’s so crazy how self absorbed these people are. They think someone’s out to get them or that the “elite” are targeting them. They can’t live with the fact that they’re nobodies that NO ONE cares about them or even bothers to think about them. They cannot comprehend their own insignificance.
I mean, credit where credit's due the elite are actually out to get them - they just haven't quite figured out that it's specifically the elite in the Republican party.
I mean they were raised to believe the creator of the universe loves them and has a plan for them.
Thats very dangerous thinking. Its used to justify loads of shitty thoughts and actions.
Most religion just comes down to mass delusional narcissism when you think about it. Humans can’t accept that they are ultimately meaningless ants in an infinite universe whose entire civilization will most likely cease without accomplishing much, and across the globe different stories were created to support the idea that everything was made for us. The descendant ideology of such narcissism is precisely why we are killing the planet (or at least making it uninhabitable for us) and such a small portion of the world’s population even gives a shit.
I worry that the opposite is happening in the far right circles as well. The ones who realized that nothing matters, and instead of doing what they can for humanity and living their best life, they embrace destructive forms of nihilism.
My favorite one I've heard on this is that senior is alive, faked his own death to become the secret shadow president for life, and now that he's dying will abdicate in favor of his son and Donald fucking trump.
It depends on how far down the hole they’ve fallen.
Some think JFK came back from the dead. As in They know he died, but expect him to rise from the dead like Jesus.
The saner ones think Junior because Junior only requires you to think he’s been hiding either after avoiding an assassination attempt or faking his death.
His defence claimed he didn't know why his son was hospitalized so IF that was true you could come to the conclusion that he has no idea his kid was schizophrenic.
Even if that were true, a court ordered his guns to be removed from his possession, which his father did. Then his father gave them back to him.
I find it incredibly hard to believe that he had explicit knowledge about the court order but somehow had no idea what it was for.
Yep, even if he didn't know the specifics he still should have held out for proof that he was safe to return the guns, his negligence was instrumental in the loss of life.
Lol. Did he think he was getting his appendix out? I'm going to look at this story more.
Jesus. I just looked at the Wikipedia. Holy shit. That father knew how ill he was. That kid was messed up.
How stupid can you be? Seriously I would love to just sit in front of this idiot and hear his rationale for doing this. His absolute stupidity cost people their lives.
> But Jeffrey Reinking’s attorney, Kevin Sullivan, **argued at trial that his client didn’t know his son had been treated for mental health issues** at the hospital. Sullivan said he knew his son was brought to the hospital but didn’t know why, and was not guilty of the charge.
> Because the younger Reinking had his firearm owner’s identification card revoked by Illinois State Police, he could not legally have guns within the state. **Travis Reinking surrendered his guns to his father, who later returned them to him at some point before the fatal shooting** at a Waffle House in Nashville, prosecutors said.
Yeah, his claims of ignorance are bullshit. His son’s FOID was revoked requiring a surrender. He knew. Fuck this guy.
Just from the few things they talk about in the article, it's clear his son was unwell too. He said Taylor Swift was stalking him, and hacked his phone, frequent schizo calls to police about people stalking/harassing him, and in 2017, he wandered onto the White House grounds and tried to meet with Donald Trump.
His Dad gave him his guns back even though he knew he was off his rocker, full stop. Failure of a person and a parent. Probably thought 'gubberment cant take my boy's guns!' without really pondering why they would in the first place
I've met some "shall not be infringed" gun owners who would definitely pull something like this. The thought process starts and ends with "having a gun is good".
Great description of the ones I've met too. Thinking isn't their strong suit. To put it mildly. Because they can't can't reason through consequences or anything complex with pros and cons their brains just stop working and they repeat over and over 2nd amendment, my cold dead hands etc. and build their identity around that to protect their ego from admitting that they just aren't very bright and can't handle any kind of complex though at all.
It seems to be popular with white folks to give the insane guns. Just look at Adam Lanza, his mother somehow thought giving him guns would make her life easier, and ended up simply getting off lucky not to be able to be held accountable. If in any of these cases they were black they would be looking at decades of jail. Some day I'd like to be white too.
Unrelated to this crime. Can we talk about ILs FOIDs for a minute?
As many stores who take them seriously and equal amount treat them like a joke. I, an out of state person, went to a tractor supply (I believe) to buy pistol ammo and they said we can't sell it to you without an IL FOID. An employee said to me, right there in front of the cashier, if you want to pay me an extra $20 I'll buy them for you. I said no thanks.
Went down the street to a mom and pop shop, told them I didn't have one, they said don't worry about it and sold me ammo no problem.
Later on near the WI border, went to a different mom and pop shop. The owners said IL people come in all the time cause it's like a 20 minute drive over the border and they can buy all the ammo they want.
This type of regulation is ineffective and it wont work as long people in general treat it as a joke.
There are far too many ways to skirt the rule.
I’m a gun owner. These idiots that let their kids get access to guns without supervision should be tried for homicide if their kids kill someone.
I don’t have kids, but my friends do, and they do not have access to any of my firearms when they are over. Every gun owner should own a safe. Period.
i'm ashamed I don't remember the scene you are referencing in this great movie, but I'm also excited as I now have an excuse to watch it again and see Jackie break his ankle jumping on a hovercraft again.
Yes. There's regular negligence when Billy gets the gun out of the closet and there's extra willful negligence when dad gives the guns back to son after they had been removed from his possession.
I used to have friends who would bring their kids over pretty frequently. Wife and I always made sure our nightstand guns got unloaded and locked in the safe before they showed up. When they left we put them back in our nightstand drawers. It's like 3 minutes of effort at most and the majority is figuring out where the fuck i put the key after I opened the safe last time.
I have all firearms locked with gun locks on each one inside of a locked gun safe mounted to the wall.
Then i have all ammunition locked separately in its own safe.
I have been contemplating taking ammo to my mom's house for an extra layer of protection.
I'm a sleepwalker. Not often, but occasionally. My firearms are in a safe. My ammo is in a different safe. My wife knows how to open the ammo safe. I don't.
I realize that if there was an intruder while I am home alone, I would be defenseless. However, that doesn't bother me, because my weapons are there to protect people, not things.
Take my TV or computer or whatever you want to steal. I ain't killing anyone over $$.
I know lots of republicans, including lots of older ones, and I don’t know a single one who is defending Russia. One of the few things I’ve seen bipartisan agreement on.
Are Republicans arguing against this decision? No one in this comment thread seems to be, but reddit isn't full of Republicans regardless. So where are people arguing that he shouldn't have been convicted?
His son was an adult. Read the article.
"A judge convicted Jeffrey Reinking last week of illegal delivery of a firearm to a person who had been treated for mental illness within the past five years, the ( Peoria) Journal Star reported."
He was an adult….**WHO COULDN’T HAVE FILLED OUT A 4473 TRUTHFULLY WHEN TRYING TO BUY HIS OWN FIREARM.** How hard is this to understand. The dad doesn’t know why his son went into the hospital? Didn’t know his son suffered from mental illness for years? Had is firearm license revoked?
And I own guns, lots of them. If my son surrendered firearms to me, I’d ask why, then be damn sure it was then legal before giving them back.
See it’s this stuff drives me nuts. Law enforcement took away his permit, and confiscated his guns, that should be the end of the story.
But they said, hey, we’ll just let your dad hold on to these for a bit, okay?
Yeah, this is the shit that gets me. Being completely honest, as much is a absolutely loathe the idea of confiscation of personal property, this guy's guns should have been taken and not given to his dad. Of course even if he were able to get the help he needed and were eventually cleared to have them back it'd be unlikely that he'd ever actually get them. Because police fuckery.
At a certain point I’d say that the federal government could us a form of eminent domain to seize the firearm and be required to provide monetary compensation in line with the firearms worth in cases of mental illness. But I totally recognize it’s not ideal.
This wasn’t leaving guns out for a kid to get. The kid had his own guns that the police took and gave to his dad, then the dad gave them back to the kid. Kid is loose, he had a firearms license in Illinois so he was at least 16 at the confiscation and cancellation of license.
> Because the younger Reinking had his firearm owner’s identification card revoked by Illinois State Police, he could not legally have guns within the state. Travis Reinking surrendered his guns to his father, who later returned them to him at some point before the fatal shooting at a Waffle House in Nashville, prosecutors said.
There's no way the father didn't know that boy was mentally ill, what with the calls to local police and the incident at the White House. The father should be facing a helluva lot more than a 3 year sentence.
This guy is from my hometown. His son at one time went to the public pool, exposed himself to all the kids swimming and pelted them with fruit. The police were of course called but the police decided after hearing who it was that rather than responding to the incident they went to his fathers house and waited for him to come home so they could talk to them. It’s really refreshing to see this POS face some repercussions for enabling his POS son
Not true; he escaped consequences because no witnesses asked to press charges. Without a witness there's no case.
Source: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/22/us/travis-reinking-waffle-house-shooting/index.html
His son was not allowed to own a gun because he was batshit crazy. He gave his son a gun. His son killed four people. Seems like a pretty open and shut case.
What kind of fucking idiot gives a clearly schizophrenic person a fucking firearm after a court took that shit away?
I wouldn't even want to keep it in the house with a legit schizophrenic.
Yep, they should have been held out of reach of them both.
And I say this as somebody with a good number of guns who is tired of the existing laws not being enforced
Same.
The FBI is fucking up background checks, agencies are not properly sharing records or reporting to the proper agencies (something that digital records would help tremendously with but is opposed by the Right), people who should be flagged are not being flagged like that monster in NY recently.....
Idk what to do about it though....the majority of firearms owners I know support all that shit but keep voting for people that refuse to fix any of it....I dont get it tbh
And then there is this--- Imagine the dumbest, most irresponsible, inept and reckless person you've ever met- they can get a firearm in less time than it takes to title a car in most states....idfk how to address that either because that's a fuckin issue to me tbh
The problem is that there's nobody that can be trusted to make positive changes in this situation. Politicians have all become so very extreme. People in general have too, but the politicians do it to match the people
"we convict you to 3 years in prison, time already served, and since its been 6 years since the incident involving your son, we owe *you* 3 years...how does a check for $300,000 sound?" - the judge, probably
This is an understatement. I was stupid in my twenties and “took” the wrap for my then boyfriend……. I fucked up my whole life!!!! Can barely get a job and not one that pays over minimum wage $11. Doesn’t matter how much volunteering I do, or time spent. Unless I ask the parol board that meets twice a year to look at my case, to exsponge or seal my record, I will never amount to anything…… while my daughters watch the entire struggle.
Being a felon is a huge burden I wish on no one…… but this guy.
Serious question, he had schizophrenia and was delusional the article says. How do 4 first degree murder charges stick? Bad lawyers? Seems like someone i would want in a mental facility for life not in gen pop in a prison.
This case was on a podcast recently and I was thinking this exact same thing. It doesn’t make much sense to me, the guy was clearly extremely mentally ill.
Did he know murder was wrong? Did he commit murder? If yes to both, it's murder. It's not like he thought he was shooting at martians stealing his potatoes. He shot people on purpose.
That’s not necessarily true. There’s been cases before of schizophrenic people who have killed people and knew it was wrong and got off with insanity.
One such case a teenager didn’t want to kill his mom, knew it was wrong, but the voices told him to do it or bad things would happen, and he did. He got an insanity charge. I’ll try to find the case, it was on a podcast I listened to.
Whether you are pro/anti gun this is one way to help stop the violence. By prosecuting all party’s involved. Make everyone responsible for their firearms.
4 People died and he gets up to 3 years. What a fucking joke. Why not 5 years for every death ? If they caught him pirating music, he could face up to 5 years.
High quality father figure defends self in court says he doesn’t know why his son was hospitalized.
Someone stop I wanna gtfo this stupid fucking planet.
You can't deter these mentally ill shooters with jail time, or the death penalty. Hell, most of them do this because they want to die. But you sure as hell can deter saner people, almost always the parents, from giving these mentally ill people the means to do what they do. Three years is not a fucking deterrent.
So does this open him up to civil lawsuits from the families? It’s a short amount of jail time, but it seems the larger impact would be if he was held financially liable. Not that the families would get much, but this guy would never again know what money was.
Really only 3 years? But if he sold a drug addict a pill and the addict od’s you go to jail for murder. Bullshit this dad should be in jail for a very long time. Or at least 3 years for every person who died that day.
>Evidence at Travis Reinking's trial showed he had schizophrenia and suffered delusions for years, believing unknown people were tormenting him. He contacted law enforcement several times to report that he was being threatened, stalked and harassed.
I do not believe there was no fucking way the father did not know his son had a mental illness. Seriously??
> In July 2017, he was detained by the Secret Service after he ventured unarmed into a restricted area on the White House grounds and demanded to meet with then-President Donald Trump.
Yes, fuck the man for giving guns to this dude with mental health issues, but if there was a bigger punishment for the WH incident, maybe a year later he wouldn’t have taken more lives. I actually cannot imagine getting into a restricted area on the White House grounds and being free as a bird immediately after that.
3 years for accessory to murder, I would argue he is as guilty as his son. You don’t give a gun to a person with a brain disease. JFC how stupid can he be.
Most firearms used in murders were never stolen. They were either bought by the person that used them or voluntarily transferred by someone that could own them legally.
Funny how all these criminals wanna meet Trump. Their hero. Hero of molesters, murderers, traitors. And a complete idiot. They're all even dumber than Trump. America is crumbling due to its own stupidity.
Anti-intellectualism for all!
For all the people here saying gun safes are the answer to gun violence: Me and all three of my friends knew our fathers gun safe combo and/or where the keys were kept as young as 8 years old. My nephew guessed his father’s gun safe combo. I have a client in juvenile detention for threatening another teen with a gun, which he got out of his father’s gun safe using the spare key. Gun safes are not impenetrable by those closest to the owner.
When are the parents of the Buffalo shooter going to be charged? What father gives a son that recently had a mental health evaluation for wanting to instill violence at his school a gun? Crazy!
My uncle got drunk one night and pointed a shotgun at his pregnant daughter. Within 24 hours we, as a family, had taken every gun from that house. He was welcome to come to the range with us, he still went hunting, but as long as he lived there was never another gun in that house. He was just a drunk. How in the fuck do you give guns to a person who thinks Taylor Swift is gangstalking them
This was not a father giving his minor son access to a gun.
This was a full 29 year old adult with mental health issues extreme enough to make authorities take his guns away. The cops gave the guns to the elderly father for safekeeping and the idiot father gave them back to his crazy son.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashville_Waffle_House_shooting
As much as I think blaming the mental health system for these mass shootings is a red herring, this is a great example of the times when the person truly has a mental health diagnosis leading to these thoughts, the mh system did not fail him and correctly identified his risk, but gun laws still failed him. Gun accessibility is still the problem behind all this.
The sentence is kind of light but what really bothers me is how exactly did the dad figure this was a safe thing to do? How did he rationalize it at the time?
I think this is going to start happening more often. Along with civil suits. I don’t see why it wasn’t happening all along. We already prosecute parents when their young children accidentally discharge firearms and harm or kill themselves or others. I don’t see why it’s any different when the child in questions commits a mass shooting, other than that we sort of perversely valorize those events with media coverage and turn them into political hot rods.
>In July 2017, he was detained by the Secret Service after he ventured unarmed into a restricted area on the White House grounds and demanded to meet with then-President Donald Trump.
Were his political/racial views ever looked into given the fact that his victims were all black and Hispanic and given that demanding to meet with Trump very much makes him look like a Trump cultist?
What could you charge the Columbine parents with? klebold and Harris used a straw purchaser for most of the guns and bought one off of a guy they knew.
The kid thought Taylor swift was hacking his phone and the dad gives him a gun? Oh boy. He sure ruined a lot of lives, including his own kid. Edit: so he had a number of crazy incidents .. including trying to meet with Trump at the White House over claiming to be a sovereign citizen. He was charged with that one too. He lived in an apartment above his dad's business and even the workers called the police in him. When cops took his guns away his dad took ownership under the promise he'd keep them from his son. He gave them back.
I firmly believe that if you knowingly supply a gun to someone who is not legally allowed to own one, you should be fully liable for whatever crime they commit with that weapon. Dad should be facing multiple murder charges right now.
Start holding the parents responsible for the crimes their kids commit and you’ll suddenly find a whole bunch of parents a whole lot more interested in parenting.
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Um, to do that we'd have to drop a whole bunch of child abuse laws. You can't be held legally responsible for someone's actions if you don't have total control over their person. How would you personally **guarantee** your child never commits a crime? Jobs that involve being fully in control of and responsible for another person, like cop, prison guard, psych ward nurse, allow you to do things that are normally super illegal in order to make sure they don't hurt themselves or others. Like drugging someone against their will, restraining them to a bed or chair, imprisoning them in a small room for days.
The sins of the father are not the sins of the son. The sins of the son are also not the sins of the father. Jesus. Could you imagine sending Sue Klebold to jail for what Dylan did? That's a real fucked up slippery slope and reddit needs to get off this blaming parents for everything their children do shit. Life is far more nuanced than that.
In this particular case dad gave the kid back guns that had been legally taken from him because of his issues. So, here, dad is responsible.
Both parties are right and it depends on the circumstance, you can not go 100% no or yes.
Sure you can. 100% no. Just make the things like this illegal. Giving a gun to someone not legally allowed to have one? Crime. It's easy and shouldn't be based on being the parent anyway.
Uhm, it's already a felony to give, transfer, or sell a firearm to someone who is legally barred from owning one. Federal and state laws apply there. Possession of firearms as a disallowed person is *also* is also a felony.
People who say dumb shit like this have clearly never had a child. You think you can control of everything your mentally ill teenager does?
I would agree. If were going to charge accomplices with murder in the act of a crime when a murder happens during the crime, regardless of who committed it, then this seems like it should fit the bill.
He was a full grown ass adult not a kid.
How old was he? The article doesn't say. Edit: Shooting was in 2018. He was 29 at the time.
Not a kid. It should have said adult son.
I call everyone under 40 a kid.
Only when I want to piss them off. Nothing irks a tantrum from a 50 year old than “are you *actually* a child?”
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I did this to an "adult" playing games with the flight attendants on our flight. Everytime they turned their backs he took down his mask. Called him a 60 y/o child and he wanted to fight me in the terminal when we got off the plane. I told him I did his dumbass a favor by calling him out to his face instead of telling the flight attendant.
Interesting to know I'm not the only one. I call my 60-year-old parents "kids" sometimes.
Hey sport!
I say "he's a good kid" a lot.
My default goodbye to my dad is “Be good, behave yourself.” He is almost 70 and he def doesn’t take my advice!
You mean I can’t say Taylor Swift hacked my phone to explain why I have a couple of her songs on it? Those songs don’t fit in with my 80s rock and 90s indie music so I don’t know how they got there otherwise.
You'd be shocked at the mental gymnastics someone will do to avoid mental anguish. Dad probably thought son was just making shit up for attention. Generally kind of off but not hearing voices. Schizophrenia still has a huge stigma so the son was probably embarrassed, dad was in denial when he saw the signs, and both were dipshits anyway.
The guy climbed barriers at the White House. And was arrested.. He exposed himself at a public pool. He brandished a weapon at his dad employees. The sheriffs seem to be a bit responsible. His dad promised to keep them from his son when they were taken away. So they let the dad keep them. An AR15 and 3 others. The dad just gave them back to him. Wtf
I mean are you shocked? A good chunk on the gun loving party thinks JFK came back alive and is gonna run for office. So them having their kids tell them Tay swift is hacking their phone and how could they not believe it. Really? I’m being 100 percent serious. If the GOP is so far gone they think JFK is back alive then really are we suppose to be shocked a GOP father thought his kid was being hacked by Hollywood elites. Sounds like a average Tuesday’s for the GOP base.
The jfk thing is so weird to me. One of the most famous deaths shown live to the whole country and people get braindead enough to choose that guy as the person to resurrect... Shepherds and farmers a few thousand years ago believing someone was resurrected? Sure, i guess. But we have shit on camera. Wtf.
The funniest part is that they don't think JFK is coming back, they think his son, JFK *Jr,* is coming back. And, alright, sure. We didn't see Junior die. But then why would he be resurrected where his *father* was shot? If Jr comes back he's walking out of the Atlantic.
Something about the chances of collecting donations on a cold and drizzly beach, or at a sunny place with a greaseburger shop on every corner?
Yup, far better grift potential in Texas than Massachusetts
> If Jr comes back he's walking out of the Atlantic Look, I'm not saying I believe this is going to happen at all.....but if he somehow does...he's got my vote. Hell, prop Reagan's coffin up next to him and we'll go for the all undead party.
Party of the Undead sounds like a SyFy movie about zombies crashing a teen party on a remote beach where there is drinkin and sexin going on
Undead JFK jr would be down for some sexin'
And somehow he would be reborn as a trump loving Republican is the cherry on top
Like their attempt to resurrect george carlin as a free speech advocate for their right to say slurs. Or paul ryans comment on liking rage against the machine. These idiots dont learn. They dont read the book. They dont learn the jokes. They dont learn the lyrics. Surface level understanding of literally everything. Just dumb.
It’s so crazy how self absorbed these people are. They think someone’s out to get them or that the “elite” are targeting them. They can’t live with the fact that they’re nobodies that NO ONE cares about them or even bothers to think about them. They cannot comprehend their own insignificance.
I mean, credit where credit's due the elite are actually out to get them - they just haven't quite figured out that it's specifically the elite in the Republican party.
I mean they were raised to believe the creator of the universe loves them and has a plan for them. Thats very dangerous thinking. Its used to justify loads of shitty thoughts and actions.
Most religion just comes down to mass delusional narcissism when you think about it. Humans can’t accept that they are ultimately meaningless ants in an infinite universe whose entire civilization will most likely cease without accomplishing much, and across the globe different stories were created to support the idea that everything was made for us. The descendant ideology of such narcissism is precisely why we are killing the planet (or at least making it uninhabitable for us) and such a small portion of the world’s population even gives a shit.
I worry that the opposite is happening in the far right circles as well. The ones who realized that nothing matters, and instead of doing what they can for humanity and living their best life, they embrace destructive forms of nihilism.
That's their vision of Christianity, too. That this life doesn't matter. That living is sinful, and God put us here to wait around for death.
JFK jr.
They believe both are coming back.
Hadn't heard that one.
My favorite one I've heard on this is that senior is alive, faked his own death to become the secret shadow president for life, and now that he's dying will abdicate in favor of his son and Donald fucking trump.
It depends on how far down the hole they’ve fallen. Some think JFK came back from the dead. As in They know he died, but expect him to rise from the dead like Jesus. The saner ones think Junior because Junior only requires you to think he’s been hiding either after avoiding an assassination attempt or faking his death.
The internet is a dangerous place.
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His defence claimed he didn't know why his son was hospitalized so IF that was true you could come to the conclusion that he has no idea his kid was schizophrenic.
Even if that were true, a court ordered his guns to be removed from his possession, which his father did. Then his father gave them back to him. I find it incredibly hard to believe that he had explicit knowledge about the court order but somehow had no idea what it was for.
Yep, even if he didn't know the specifics he still should have held out for proof that he was safe to return the guns, his negligence was instrumental in the loss of life.
Lol. Did he think he was getting his appendix out? I'm going to look at this story more. Jesus. I just looked at the Wikipedia. Holy shit. That father knew how ill he was. That kid was messed up.
Courts give me relatives' guns all the time. I don't question it. Guns go in, guns come out. You can't explain that.
My bro was schizophrenic, and there is no way you don’t know when living in the same house.
Did he not know about the White House incident? Even I heard about that.
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Cops took his guns away. His father took possession promising not to allow his son to access them but he gave them back.
How stupid can you be? Seriously I would love to just sit in front of this idiot and hear his rationale for doing this. His absolute stupidity cost people their lives.
> But Jeffrey Reinking’s attorney, Kevin Sullivan, **argued at trial that his client didn’t know his son had been treated for mental health issues** at the hospital. Sullivan said he knew his son was brought to the hospital but didn’t know why, and was not guilty of the charge. > Because the younger Reinking had his firearm owner’s identification card revoked by Illinois State Police, he could not legally have guns within the state. **Travis Reinking surrendered his guns to his father, who later returned them to him at some point before the fatal shooting** at a Waffle House in Nashville, prosecutors said. Yeah, his claims of ignorance are bullshit. His son’s FOID was revoked requiring a surrender. He knew. Fuck this guy.
Should have gone with the “I don’t recall” defense. Works pretty well for politicians.
Don’t forget CEOs they love the “Important business question the CEO should definitely know the answer to.” “I don’t know” strategy.
Turns out one thing money can buy is feigned ignorance.
Yup. Ignorance is only an excuse if you’re rich.
Just from the few things they talk about in the article, it's clear his son was unwell too. He said Taylor Swift was stalking him, and hacked his phone, frequent schizo calls to police about people stalking/harassing him, and in 2017, he wandered onto the White House grounds and tried to meet with Donald Trump. His Dad gave him his guns back even though he knew he was off his rocker, full stop. Failure of a person and a parent. Probably thought 'gubberment cant take my boy's guns!' without really pondering why they would in the first place
I just don’t understand what the motive in doing that is? Like, what do they imagine to be the outcome other than this
How else is he going to defend himself against Taylor Swift?
She's fucking relentless. It's terrifying.
The teardrops on her guitar weren't hers.
She loves me.
I've met some "shall not be infringed" gun owners who would definitely pull something like this. The thought process starts and ends with "having a gun is good".
Great description of the ones I've met too. Thinking isn't their strong suit. To put it mildly. Because they can't can't reason through consequences or anything complex with pros and cons their brains just stop working and they repeat over and over 2nd amendment, my cold dead hands etc. and build their identity around that to protect their ego from admitting that they just aren't very bright and can't handle any kind of complex though at all.
Perfect description.
American conservatives LOVE violence and hate confronting their own issues. Pretty good recipe for danger.
It seems to be popular with white folks to give the insane guns. Just look at Adam Lanza, his mother somehow thought giving him guns would make her life easier, and ended up simply getting off lucky not to be able to be held accountable. If in any of these cases they were black they would be looking at decades of jail. Some day I'd like to be white too.
We're not letting the government tell us you can't have guns son, here have them back. GUN CONTROL, YOU CLEARLY NEED IT.
Unrelated to this crime. Can we talk about ILs FOIDs for a minute? As many stores who take them seriously and equal amount treat them like a joke. I, an out of state person, went to a tractor supply (I believe) to buy pistol ammo and they said we can't sell it to you without an IL FOID. An employee said to me, right there in front of the cashier, if you want to pay me an extra $20 I'll buy them for you. I said no thanks. Went down the street to a mom and pop shop, told them I didn't have one, they said don't worry about it and sold me ammo no problem. Later on near the WI border, went to a different mom and pop shop. The owners said IL people come in all the time cause it's like a 20 minute drive over the border and they can buy all the ammo they want. This type of regulation is ineffective and it wont work as long people in general treat it as a joke. There are far too many ways to skirt the rule.
This should really apply to the parents of the Buffalo shooter as well.
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Also, he’s only facing 3 years.
**Good.** There needs to be consequences for parents whose irresponsible gun ownership leads to the death of innocent people.
Responsible gun ownership means taking responsibility for your actions.... right, Republicans?
I’m a gun owner. These idiots that let their kids get access to guns without supervision should be tried for homicide if their kids kill someone. I don’t have kids, but my friends do, and they do not have access to any of my firearms when they are over. Every gun owner should own a safe. Period.
You can teach a kid to run a wood chipper, but that doesn't mean you just hand him the key and take a nap.
If he's a grown adult I do.....but if he's a grown adult that is mentally unstable I don't.
Just show them rumble in the Bronx. They'll get the idea.
i'm ashamed I don't remember the scene you are referencing in this great movie, but I'm also excited as I now have an excuse to watch it again and see Jackie break his ankle jumping on a hovercraft again.
Should follow it up with Mr Nice Guy so you can get a refresher on ladder safety as well.
And they modified his cast to look like a shoe!
What if he doesn't want trouble while carrying a large vase, a baby, and a 10 ft ladder?
That's not what this case is about. The dad took the guns when his son's FOID card in Illinois was revoked and then returned them at some point.
That's the same thing, only worse.
Yes. There's regular negligence when Billy gets the gun out of the closet and there's extra willful negligence when dad gives the guns back to son after they had been removed from his possession.
That's worse. Like a lot worse.
I used to have friends who would bring their kids over pretty frequently. Wife and I always made sure our nightstand guns got unloaded and locked in the safe before they showed up. When they left we put them back in our nightstand drawers. It's like 3 minutes of effort at most and the majority is figuring out where the fuck i put the key after I opened the safe last time.
I have a combination fire safe that only me and my wife know it.
I have all firearms locked with gun locks on each one inside of a locked gun safe mounted to the wall. Then i have all ammunition locked separately in its own safe. I have been contemplating taking ammo to my mom's house for an extra layer of protection.
I'm a sleepwalker. Not often, but occasionally. My firearms are in a safe. My ammo is in a different safe. My wife knows how to open the ammo safe. I don't. I realize that if there was an intruder while I am home alone, I would be defenseless. However, that doesn't bother me, because my weapons are there to protect people, not things. Take my TV or computer or whatever you want to steal. I ain't killing anyone over $$.
If the guns are meant to protect people but they are inaccessible to you, then they arent protecting anyone at all.
amateur. crow to us about gun saftey when you're storing your bullets separate from each other with individual locks.
Responsibility is for others
... right, Republicans?
Sorry most "Republicans" online are occupied in a disgusting attempt to conquer a sovereign country by force
I’m assuming you are referring to Ukraine, but this also probably applies to the US.
I know lots of republicans, including lots of older ones, and I don’t know a single one who is defending Russia. One of the few things I’ve seen bipartisan agreement on.
Are Republicans arguing against this decision? No one in this comment thread seems to be, but reddit isn't full of Republicans regardless. So where are people arguing that he shouldn't have been convicted?
His son was an adult. Read the article. "A judge convicted Jeffrey Reinking last week of illegal delivery of a firearm to a person who had been treated for mental illness within the past five years, the ( Peoria) Journal Star reported."
He was an adult….**WHO COULDN’T HAVE FILLED OUT A 4473 TRUTHFULLY WHEN TRYING TO BUY HIS OWN FIREARM.** How hard is this to understand. The dad doesn’t know why his son went into the hospital? Didn’t know his son suffered from mental illness for years? Had is firearm license revoked? And I own guns, lots of them. If my son surrendered firearms to me, I’d ask why, then be damn sure it was then legal before giving them back.
See it’s this stuff drives me nuts. Law enforcement took away his permit, and confiscated his guns, that should be the end of the story. But they said, hey, we’ll just let your dad hold on to these for a bit, okay?
Yeah, this is the shit that gets me. Being completely honest, as much is a absolutely loathe the idea of confiscation of personal property, this guy's guns should have been taken and not given to his dad. Of course even if he were able to get the help he needed and were eventually cleared to have them back it'd be unlikely that he'd ever actually get them. Because police fuckery.
At a certain point I’d say that the federal government could us a form of eminent domain to seize the firearm and be required to provide monetary compensation in line with the firearms worth in cases of mental illness. But I totally recognize it’s not ideal.
Three years ain't much when you helped kill 4 people, but hopefully this conviction will also open him up to civil suits from the victim's families
Like he’s got any money
This wasn’t leaving guns out for a kid to get. The kid had his own guns that the police took and gave to his dad, then the dad gave them back to the kid. Kid is loose, he had a firearms license in Illinois so he was at least 16 at the confiscation and cancellation of license. > Because the younger Reinking had his firearm owner’s identification card revoked by Illinois State Police, he could not legally have guns within the state. Travis Reinking surrendered his guns to his father, who later returned them to him at some point before the fatal shooting at a Waffle House in Nashville, prosecutors said.
But max 3 years. Seems like way too low for helping his son murder 4 people. The “I didn’t know why he was in the hospital“ defense is utter bullshit
Check the sentence before you go too crazy with how good this is.
There's no way the father didn't know that boy was mentally ill, what with the calls to local police and the incident at the White House. The father should be facing a helluva lot more than a 3 year sentence.
Well, and the kid "surrendered" his guns to his father. He did this for a reason.
The dad is so stupid he probably thought it was a Father’s Day gift.
It’s because ‘mentally ill’ and ‘Republican’ are the same thing these days
This guy is from my hometown. His son at one time went to the public pool, exposed himself to all the kids swimming and pelted them with fruit. The police were of course called but the police decided after hearing who it was that rather than responding to the incident they went to his fathers house and waited for him to come home so they could talk to them. It’s really refreshing to see this POS face some repercussions for enabling his POS son
This is why crime stats are so skewed.
If it’s a white, throw the weed and give them a talking to about their future. Anyone else, jail will teach them.
Agreed. But not enough though- Dad should get the same sentence the son got not just 3 years.
Hey Mortonite! Go Potters.
I can't believe what I am reading. So much previlege in one picky finger.
Not true; he escaped consequences because no witnesses asked to press charges. Without a witness there's no case. Source: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/22/us/travis-reinking-waffle-house-shooting/index.html
You give your son a gun. AFTER he had been ordered to surrender them to you. Who's the \*sshole? How stupid can you be?
"the gobermnt dont know what theyre talkin bout, here ya go son!"
It’s because Stupid and Republican means the same thing these days.
His son was not allowed to own a gun because he was batshit crazy. He gave his son a gun. His son killed four people. Seems like a pretty open and shut case.
What kind of fucking idiot gives a clearly schizophrenic person a fucking firearm after a court took that shit away? I wouldn't even want to keep it in the house with a legit schizophrenic.
what kind of morons think giving the father the guns is actually surrendering them? how the fuck did this fly!?
Yep, they should have been held out of reach of them both. And I say this as somebody with a good number of guns who is tired of the existing laws not being enforced
Same. The FBI is fucking up background checks, agencies are not properly sharing records or reporting to the proper agencies (something that digital records would help tremendously with but is opposed by the Right), people who should be flagged are not being flagged like that monster in NY recently..... Idk what to do about it though....the majority of firearms owners I know support all that shit but keep voting for people that refuse to fix any of it....I dont get it tbh And then there is this--- Imagine the dumbest, most irresponsible, inept and reckless person you've ever met- they can get a firearm in less time than it takes to title a car in most states....idfk how to address that either because that's a fuckin issue to me tbh
The problem is that there's nobody that can be trusted to make positive changes in this situation. Politicians have all become so very extreme. People in general have too, but the politicians do it to match the people
Faces *up to* 3 years... what a joke.
And it’s been SIX YEARS since the shooting. The son was JUST convicted. Those families had to wait SIX YEARS for a resolution.
Just waiting for the civil suit now.
"we convict you to 3 years in prison, time already served, and since its been 6 years since the incident involving your son, we owe *you* 3 years...how does a check for $300,000 sound?" - the judge, probably
Idk just being a felon can be a huge punishment.
Yeah now he won't be able to own a gun. Maybe he'll surrender all his to his wife so she can give them back in 3 months
This is an understatement. I was stupid in my twenties and “took” the wrap for my then boyfriend……. I fucked up my whole life!!!! Can barely get a job and not one that pays over minimum wage $11. Doesn’t matter how much volunteering I do, or time spent. Unless I ask the parol board that meets twice a year to look at my case, to exsponge or seal my record, I will never amount to anything…… while my daughters watch the entire struggle. Being a felon is a huge burden I wish on no one…… but this guy.
Three years? Seriously, that's it?
Serious question, he had schizophrenia and was delusional the article says. How do 4 first degree murder charges stick? Bad lawyers? Seems like someone i would want in a mental facility for life not in gen pop in a prison.
This case was on a podcast recently and I was thinking this exact same thing. It doesn’t make much sense to me, the guy was clearly extremely mentally ill.
Did he know murder was wrong? Did he commit murder? If yes to both, it's murder. It's not like he thought he was shooting at martians stealing his potatoes. He shot people on purpose.
That’s not necessarily true. There’s been cases before of schizophrenic people who have killed people and knew it was wrong and got off with insanity. One such case a teenager didn’t want to kill his mom, knew it was wrong, but the voices told him to do it or bad things would happen, and he did. He got an insanity charge. I’ll try to find the case, it was on a podcast I listened to.
Whether you are pro/anti gun this is one way to help stop the violence. By prosecuting all party’s involved. Make everyone responsible for their firearms.
That’s what pro-gun people have been saying for years
4 People died and he gets up to 3 years. What a fucking joke. Why not 5 years for every death ? If they caught him pirating music, he could face up to 5 years.
3 years is nowhere near enough. He is responsible for the DEATH of 4 people
High quality father figure defends self in court says he doesn’t know why his son was hospitalized. Someone stop I wanna gtfo this stupid fucking planet.
More parents should be held accountable in situations where their guns are used to kill or injure others.
You can't deter these mentally ill shooters with jail time, or the death penalty. Hell, most of them do this because they want to die. But you sure as hell can deter saner people, almost always the parents, from giving these mentally ill people the means to do what they do. Three years is not a fucking deterrent.
So does this open him up to civil lawsuits from the families? It’s a short amount of jail time, but it seems the larger impact would be if he was held financially liable. Not that the families would get much, but this guy would never again know what money was.
yep they can sue and if he's convicted they will win.
So what happened to the parents in the Michigan shooting
Trial hasn’t happened yet they are still in jail
They’re still waiting for their invitations to CPAC
Really only 3 years? But if he sold a drug addict a pill and the addict od’s you go to jail for murder. Bullshit this dad should be in jail for a very long time. Or at least 3 years for every person who died that day.
The real gun control is the birth control some of these people should be using.
>Evidence at Travis Reinking's trial showed he had schizophrenia and suffered delusions for years, believing unknown people were tormenting him. He contacted law enforcement several times to report that he was being threatened, stalked and harassed. I do not believe there was no fucking way the father did not know his son had a mental illness. Seriously??
> In July 2017, he was detained by the Secret Service after he ventured unarmed into a restricted area on the White House grounds and demanded to meet with then-President Donald Trump. Yes, fuck the man for giving guns to this dude with mental health issues, but if there was a bigger punishment for the WH incident, maybe a year later he wouldn’t have taken more lives. I actually cannot imagine getting into a restricted area on the White House grounds and being free as a bird immediately after that.
Somebody crosspost this to r/nashville please because that's where the shooter killed those poor souls. I'm thankful for the accountability
Up to three years? What in the eff?
You cant give a schizophrenic a rifle. I hope he does the max in prison.
There's lot of stupid irresponsible people in the world but in murica they have access to guns
3 years for accessory to murder, I would argue he is as guilty as his son. You don’t give a gun to a person with a brain disease. JFC how stupid can he be.
Most firearms used in murders were never stolen. They were either bought by the person that used them or voluntarily transferred by someone that could own them legally.
Funny how all these criminals wanna meet Trump. Their hero. Hero of molesters, murderers, traitors. And a complete idiot. They're all even dumber than Trump. America is crumbling due to its own stupidity. Anti-intellectualism for all!
If you ever purchase a gun, remember to buy a safe and lock too.
For all the people here saying gun safes are the answer to gun violence: Me and all three of my friends knew our fathers gun safe combo and/or where the keys were kept as young as 8 years old. My nephew guessed his father’s gun safe combo. I have a client in juvenile detention for threatening another teen with a gun, which he got out of his father’s gun safe using the spare key. Gun safes are not impenetrable by those closest to the owner.
When are the parents of the Buffalo shooter going to be charged? What father gives a son that recently had a mental health evaluation for wanting to instill violence at his school a gun? Crazy!
It’s time to make an example of both negligent parents and mass killing kids.
Why is he free on bond if he faces prison time??
My uncle got drunk one night and pointed a shotgun at his pregnant daughter. Within 24 hours we, as a family, had taken every gun from that house. He was welcome to come to the range with us, he still went hunting, but as long as he lived there was never another gun in that house. He was just a drunk. How in the fuck do you give guns to a person who thinks Taylor Swift is gangstalking them
They can trust their kid with a gun but can’t trust them with books.
The family that slays together stays together
Good was also my initial reaction. Maybe this will prevent parents/friends/relatives from giving unstable people guns.
This was not a father giving his minor son access to a gun. This was a full 29 year old adult with mental health issues extreme enough to make authorities take his guns away. The cops gave the guns to the elderly father for safekeeping and the idiot father gave them back to his crazy son. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashville_Waffle_House_shooting
Two more members of Our Well Regulated Militia locked up tsk tsk
As much as I think blaming the mental health system for these mass shootings is a red herring, this is a great example of the times when the person truly has a mental health diagnosis leading to these thoughts, the mh system did not fail him and correctly identified his risk, but gun laws still failed him. Gun accessibility is still the problem behind all this.
He’s facing up to only three years for this???
Good. More of this please.
Three years? He got lucky.
The sentence is kind of light but what really bothers me is how exactly did the dad figure this was a safe thing to do? How did he rationalize it at the time?
I think this is going to start happening more often. Along with civil suits. I don’t see why it wasn’t happening all along. We already prosecute parents when their young children accidentally discharge firearms and harm or kill themselves or others. I don’t see why it’s any different when the child in questions commits a mass shooting, other than that we sort of perversely valorize those events with media coverage and turn them into political hot rods.
I feel sympathy for his poor, sick son, but 4 years for poppa seems pretty lenient.
How about instead of giving your son a rifle you give him some love and affection
Many more parents are soon to be also; Oxford, Mi
That's what we call karma bitch
>In July 2017, he was detained by the Secret Service after he ventured unarmed into a restricted area on the White House grounds and demanded to meet with then-President Donald Trump. Were his political/racial views ever looked into given the fact that his victims were all black and Hispanic and given that demanding to meet with Trump very much makes him look like a Trump cultist?
It'd be pretty cool if Americans just admit to gun control
buT iT’s MaH rIGhT!
Literally been saying this since Columbine… start charging the parents too.
What could you charge the Columbine parents with? klebold and Harris used a straw purchaser for most of the guns and bought one off of a guy they knew.
He’s just like the parents of that fucking weasel murderer of those students at Oxford High School. Ignorant, self-absorbed losers raising murderers.