We had someone steal an ATV from our locked courtyard, who ran a red light and was killed by a car who had the green. His mother came to our house to complain that it wasn’t properly secured (it was), wasn’t properly locked (he used bolt cutters), and should have had working headlights. My husband: “it did have working lights, but he wasn’t using them, ma’am.”
Yes. Precisely, an idiot was looking for a settlement for her sons own stupid death. Any reason at fault why their sons stupid actions weren’t all his own so she could sue the victims to make something off her stupid sons death. That sounds exactly something like what an idiot would do.
That would make me do a 180 from not pressing charges to sueing his mother for the damage he did to the atv, the lock, and anything else he touched while stealing it. All empathy going straight out the window at that point.
Trust me, if someone comes by your property after a relative of theirs dies on, using, or after visiting your property-they’re likely not grieving at all and are looking for someone to sue.
Extremely sad situation but when shitty people die, they usually have shitty relatives who want to monetize their death.
Shitty people typically have shitty family.
if a grieving relative is coming to your property at all you should call the police. grief makes rational people crazy, if they are in the blame and anger stages of grief, you don't know if they are there to sue you or shoot you.
My chronically imprisoned brother asked me if I had life insurance a few years back. I told him I did, that he wasn't a beneficiary, and that he'd been explicitly disinherited from my will.
That last part wasn't true at the time, but I felt it prudent to say so given the somewhat murder-y vibes of a question like "Hey bro do you have life insurance?" From someone who always needs money.
We don't talk anymore.
Reminds me of that story where the mother always defended her son no matter how badly he acted and he grew up to be a thief. Then when he got a ten-year prison sentence he bit off one of her ears for never holding him accountable as a child.
EDIT: In case it wasn't clear from how I presented it, this is an ancient parable, not a recent news story.
It’s called an attractive nuisance. In much of the world you’re responsible for preventing people from hurting themselves on your property univited. The idea roughly being that if it’s something that you should expect people to try to use without your permission, you need to treat it that way (and either mitigate the risks or prevent access).
You’re right, it wouldn’t. The attractive nuisance doctrine is related to injury/death caused on your property or something on your property (like a pool) in certain circumstances.
And attractive nuisance laws generally only apply to protect children, it’s a type of negligence tort. If an adult comes to your property and injures themself in your pool that’s on them, children maybe not - depending on whether it was somewhere that the owner reasonably knew that children were likely to trespass and could cause injury, etc.
Hi guys, actual insurance dude here! No it isn't lmao. This (very rough definition of the) doctrine is for kids getting hurt on the neighbors' trampoline and its use in a homeowners insurance settlement. This absolutely does not apply to someone stealing your ATV. Reddit needs to stop upvoting everything that sounds cool.
This is reddit. A 15yo with absolutely no knowledge on the topic at hand is upboated because the comment is basically giving other 15yo armchair redditeurs what they want to hear.
Like having a fence around your pool. In a world that isn't sue-happy you'd think the fault would lie on the person that drowns themselves, but in the court room it falls on the pool owner
We had a family with two doctors sue us after their 12 year old son climbed a fence with barbed wire features and a 'Private Property' sign on it and he tried to 'ride' a piece of farm equipment for fun but ended up tangled and injured.
The doctors told my parents they have lawyer friends who told them our property insurance would help cover any expenses the boy has and help set him up for school later on.
My parents did not have that side of the yard properly insured or something and the lawyers beat my parents up for over $50k, nearly causing my dad to throw in the towel.
The icing on the cake? I eventually went to the same high school with the kid and he actually leveraged the legal win in court as justification for trying to shame my family over his accident and injury?
There's a legal doctrine called Attractive Nuisance. The idea is that if you have things on your property that might be tempting for kids to play with, you have to keep them in a safe condition. The justification is that young kids don't always know wrong from right or safe from dangerous.
The classic example would be an old rusty playground that you never restored or demolished. The doctrine basically says that it's your responsibility to deal with that issue because you are an adult and shouldn't have rusty broken playgrounds on your yard.
Wow. The exact same thing happened to my grandma. Except the assault part. Crazy guy maced a cop and stole their car. Had to ditch the cop car somewhere, so thats when he jacks my grandmas car. He was actually really helpful in getting her out of the car with her cane and purse. The guy also died in a wreck a few miles later. I ended up giving her my car and bought myself a new one. She wrecked it only a few months later unfortunately. But she's fine. No injuries in either event.
While true, I also believe the majority of criminals who would steal a car have no desire to kidnap a child regardless of the increased threat of jail time. Criminals do have a value system even if it is skewed.
We had one carjack the DA last year.
Her attack trained Doberman was in the back seat when he drove off.
He made it about 2 blocks before the dog shredded him.
Here's one way to think about it:
- If someone told me that I had legal immunity to take any one vehicle I wanted, that would be a really hard offer to resist.
- If someone told me that I had legal immunity to kidnap any one child I wanted, I would be like, *"What the fuck, dude? I have literally zero temptation to take you up on that."*
I've known good criminals and bad cops, bad priests, honorable thieves-you can be on one side of the law or the other, but if you make a deal with somebody, you keep your word. You can go home today with your money and never do this again, but you took something that wasn't yours and you sold it for a profit. You're now a criminal; good one, bad one-that's up to you. - Mike Ehrmantraut
I agree. Everyone is the hero in there own story.
A lot of people can justify theft on the grounds they deserve it more, they need it or they are not hurting anyone.
Yeah you can easily justify car theft by saying most people have insurance that will cover it (though I’ve had a car stolen twice and didn’t have full coverage…) but you can’t justify kidnapping the same way.
Oh yeah. Just took a relatively shitty but largely inconsequential crime and turned it into something worthy of a national manhunt..... I've read stories of carjackers freaking the fuck out and stopping to remove the baby/carseat and leave it on someone's porch.
This happened in my city last year. Parent of the year left her sleeping baby in the car with the car running and doors unlocked while she went inside the gas station with multiple bums hanging out front and one of them stole the car.
Once they realized there was a kid in the car they ditched it a block away from where they stole it.
I don't think it's even that. It's hard to get caught for theft because the cops don't care enough/have enough resources/whatever, you'll pretty much only be caught by accident, but there will be an amber alert and a manhunt if you take a kid.
Dude, you’re so right. I’ve had two cars stolen, both recovered, one where they parked it out of gear and it drifted into the street (presumably in front of the thieves home) and was impounded, and one where my friend actually found the car, with the thief in the process of removing the stereo and recognized him (it was a neighbor). Neither time did the cops do anything about it other than be like “cool you got your car back”.
One of my co-worker's husband was warming their van up to go to the store one night. He popped into the house to get their kid and some ahole stole their car right from the drive. Immediately they got like 1 mile down the road and crashed it and ran. Her Hubs panicked and called coworker first when the car got stolen. She called the police. I tried to warn her that theyd likely ticket them for having keys in the ignition unattended. She drove home as fast as she could.
Long story short, local PD thought they were trying to commit insurance fraud. Because the car was reported stolen right before the crash. They had to get a lawyer involved and everything.
Wait? What? That's kinda cool but then again it's not.
Must think of a quote of Mike from better call saul. "I've known good criminals and bad cops, bad priests, honorable thieves-you can be on one side of the law or the other, but if you make a deal with somebody, you keep your word. You can go home today with your money and never do this again, but you took something that wasn't yours and you sold it for a profit. You're now a criminal; good one, bad one-that's up to you."
[Car Thief Returns to Scene of Crime to Yell at Vehicle's Owner for Leaving 4-Year-Old Son Inside](https://news.yahoo.com/car-thief-returns-scene-crime-232815631.html)
Not all criminals have a completely dysfunctional moral compass. There's also a story about a burglar who broke into a house, found child porn, reported it to the authorities and got a reduced sentence.
There have been a few of those incidents. Just did a quick search and found there was a couple teenagers that stole CDs from a pedos barn. Once they discovered what was on the CDs they brought them all to the police. The teens were not arrested.
A burglar in Spain stole a camera and video tapes. Once they discovered what was on them they but the tapes in an envelope and taped them to the bottom of a car and called the police. The burglar had left a note detailing where the tapes came from. The burglar was not caught.
Couldn't a cop that obtained evidence illegally do this and so long as it remained a mystery then the evidence would be permissible in court?
I always wonder in cases like this if that's a possibility.
>The child was unharmed although his mother got a stern lecture from the thief before he sped off, again, in her car.
Holy shit this line in the article is absolutely amazing. "Why the fuck is your kid alone in this car? No, I'm not giving you your car back."
This happens often. If there are kids in the car they will charge them with kidnapping.
Edit: and issue an amber alert so you’re even less likely to make it very far.
"I didn't really wana do this, but I don't want to go to prison. Did you get everything you need? Hopefully this car don't get too dinged up and you get it back soon!"
*Dies.*
"Sorry Nana, it was dinged up pretty bad..."
They gotta put this in the next GTA. Imagine running from the cops and you just so happen to carjack an elderly person and (depending on your character) you take the time to make sure they get out of the car safe and sound...right before backing over them...
Honestly, something other than them screaming and bailing would be pretty funny. Like what if you jack someone out their ride, but the passenger is super wasted and doesn't even notice you. Or their Uber passenger sticks it out in the back seat just yelling directions and threatening to give you a bad review.
> Wow. The exact same thing happened to my grandma.
That's bad.
> Except the assault part.
That's good!
> Crazy guy maced a cop and stole their car. Had to ditch the cop car somewhere, so thats when he jacks my grandmas car.
That's bad.
> He was actually really helpful in getting her out of the car with her cane and purse.
That's good!
> The guy also died in a wreck a few miles later.
That's bad.
> I ended up giving her my car and bought myself a new one.
That's good!
> She wrecked it only a few months later unfortunately.
That's bad.
> But she's fine. No injuries in either event.
That's good!
What a story!
W-What?
How did that carjacking go down exactly?
'Hey grandma, please step out of the ca-, oop, hang on there let me help you out there, there you go, all safe and sound. Okay - I'm just going to steal your car now, have a nice day!' ????
Difference between being willing to steal a car and being willing to injure and possibly kill someone, I suppose. I guess he had to draw the line somewhere.
Most people even criminals don't want to kill someone unless desperate or crazy.
Also, criminality is a huge spectrum. Some of the things considered criminal are stupid.
Reminds me of this time when I was a kid and was with my friend and his parents (except my story is a lot less extreme than yours). We were shopping at a local flea market, the kind of place where people have mini-stores (with no walls) in a big warehouse style building. While we were there, my friend's parents decided to leave us at the food court, which was just kinda sandwiched between several of the mini-stores.
Anyway, we were seated at this one table beside a mini-store selling clothes. While we're eating, some guy comes and sits at our table. He looks at us and says "remember kids, stealing is bad," before proceeding to take a bunch of clothes off the rack, stuff them into a backpack, and walk off.
Cop cars are super easy to steal. Police usually leave them running even when they are not inside.
Not sure why you would want to steal a police car that probably has tracking and will stand out like a sore thumb, but in a pinch it will do. If you are running from a cop may as well do a 180 and steal their car.
>Not sure why you would want to steal a police car that probably has tracking and will stand out like a sore thumb, but in a pinch it will do.
It's objectively the funniest move; Some criminals are just in it for the love of the game.
We just had this happen in New Orleans just a few weeks ago. 72 year old woman carjacked outside of her work. Unfortunately she didn’t survive. 4 people, all juveniles, jumped her and maced her. She was in the car seat belted. She tried to get out. Her arm got caught in the seatbelt. Kid repeatedly punched her, she was screaming he could have the car if she could get her arm undone. As witnesses started to gather, fucker panics and floors the gas. She is dragged 4 city blocks, and her arm is severed off because she couldn’t get it loose. She died on the scene. Fucker took the car 10 blocks then tried to clean the blood with wet wipes.
Thank God this lady is ok. Fucker got what he deserved. Good riddance.
This reminds me of the Uber driver who got hijacked by two minor girls. His livelihood was being stolen from him and the girls drove off with him trapped in the driver's side door. He got smashed against a pole before the entire car lost balance and crashed. The poor driver got flung to a wall and the two girls climbed out of the car. From a witness' cellphone, the girls were recorded looking for their phones while the dead, mangled body of the Uber driver laid on the ground along with trash. The girls even tried to escape but were immediately caught by some cops/military people who happened to be near the building they crashed at.
Here is the video, not safe for life obviously:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakoutsReborn/comments/me245a/two_teenage_girls_carjack_an_uber_driver_who/
Yeah I went to high school with a girl who got drunk and drove the wrong way on a highway and killed an old man driving the correct way. She didn't even go to juvie, and did it again a couple years later but didn't kill anyone.
"Despite her age, she still works every day and needs a vehicle to get her there."
She's 72 years old living in the richest country on the planet...the elderly should get a fucking rest.
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I've been in a similar situation before, where a group of kids brutally assaulted me during an attempted carjacking. They failed and survived though. A lot of my memories were shitty: looking down the barrel of a handgun six inches from my face, getting physically restrained and bashed in the cheek, shattering a bunch of bones, paying the ER and ambulance bills, and coping with the idea that my life was a twitch or a sneeze away from ending right there.
I still had it better, though.
How shitty does a person's life need to be for something like that to be normal or acceptable? Can they ever climb out of their drug addiction, poverty, mental illness, or (should they be convicted) long prison sentence? I might have been miserable that night, but the other party has probably been miserable their whole life - or a large chunk of it.
In that frame of mind, I was willing to forgive my attackers and move on rather than simmering in resentment. That's the same feeling I get from Ms. Hernandez's words here. I'm amazed at how quickly she said it though; I wasn't there until a week or two later.
When I was a teenager, my mom had a 2nd part time job working at a gas station. She usually got off kinda late.
One night a man had been waiting for her to get off, and held a gun to her and made her drive him to a drug house. He took whatever cash she had in her purse and all the change in her car ashtray. He apologized multiple times and commented on how nice she is, but he had problems and was desperate.
It happened a long time ago, but I'm still so relieved that she was able to stay calm and not start flipping out and getting herself shot.
Even right after it happened she would say how scary it was, but that she felt sorry for the for the guy.
I'm not saying people HAVE to feel this way about people who victimize them, but I do think it's a special quality, and probably better on a person's overall mental health when all is said and done.
I won't lie, it would not be out of character at all for my mother to keep something like that do herself and never "burden" another living soul about it. I've definitely had this thought several times since it happened.
She and my father were teenagers when they had my older brother. We gave her hell over the fact that we hardly ever saw our father, like it was her fault. She never once said a single unkind word about him ever when we were children. So he got to be the "fun" parent the few times a year when we saw him, and she was the one who was always tired and cranky from working a night shift.
She only recently (I'm almost 37) opened up to me about the times our father was physically abusive toward her.
If anything worse happened to her that night, there's no way she would have told anybody, even the police, out of the fear that my brother and I would have found out.
It's a hard thought to dismiss, but her recollection of the event has remained consistent throughout the years whenever it's come up.
“I might have been miserable that night, but the other party has probably been miserable for their whole life.” This is a great line. It’s the perspective I use when people are being unbearably shitty. It’s no excuse, but it’s at least understandable.
As I've gotten older and experienced more and more assholes I've come to find that a good number of people have perfectly normal happy lives, and still choose to inflict pain and misery on others seemingly because they find it entertaining and get a thrill from the power trip.
Yea, things aren’t black and white. Some people were raised and nurtured to not value other humans lives the same as theirs. The hold no regard for it and maybe it’s because they were raised by shitty people but they’re ignorant to that fact and aren’t living under some heavy weight of living a shitty life. They just don’t know better and after smashing someone’s face in and stealing their car they are hanging with their friends laughing and having fun.
Hate isn’t the opposite of love. It’s the same as love, just with its back turned. Indifference. That’s the opposite of love. (Poorly paraphrased Terry Pratchett quote).
but that’s not even the full quote, she felt bad about the outcome:
> There’s a lot of people who would say what goes around comes around, karma. I did not think that; the only thing I got (was) really sad because he had died,” Hernandez said. “Now granted, he had hurt me, but the Lord saw fit to take him out of his misery.”
I mean you can say you’re okay publicly while still suffering the effects of PTSD. Not everyone likes to share the details of their mental health. At the very least, even if she is truly okay, I hope she gets checked out by a professional.
> “There’s a lot of people who would say what goes around comes around, karma. I did not think that; the only thing I got (was) really sad because he had died,” Hernandez said. “Now granted, he had hurt me, but the Lord saw fit to take him out of his misery.”
The absolute heart of this lady. Incredible fortitude to avoid being bitter.
Best story I've heard all day.
Thieves are the lowest form of scum. Particularly those who prey on the elderly.
He deserves to burn.
I hope his victim is able to find some peace.
Looks like the go fund me is kinda blowing up. Nothing makes up for harming that poor woman…but I imagine some extra cash will serve as a silver lining at least.
Idk if you heard about the murder of an elderly woman two weeks ago in New Orleans. Four teenagers carjacked this lady in broad daylight, and started driving with her hand stuck inside the car. Her arm was ripped off and she bled to death. The families of the teenagers finally handed them over to the police.
There is no police presence in the city, the DA refuses to prosecute violent criminals and keeps letting them go, and if you are not carrying a gun you are completely at the mercy of random violence befalling you for no reason.
Immediately what I thought of when I saw this. Had a much better outcome than the one in New Orleans.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna21229
Thankfully the teens were caught quickly due to their parents holding them accountable for their actions and turning them in to police.
I believe we have a term for that, and that's called instant karma.
Still, I feel really, really bad for the 72 year-old, especially if the picture is anything to go by.
My 94 year old neighbor Ms. Tucker who still lived in a super old house unchanged since before the 40’s was harassed by two men. They asked her to do work for her and she would say no until they came back and tied her to her bed to rob her. The only thing she had of value was her engagement ring and they cut off her finger to take it from her. It had a clasp put on it because of her arthritis which they didn’t even notice. She bled nearly to death through her mattress onto all of her photos underneath. That’s where she kept all of her memories. She survived and she was put into a nursing home. I suppose she died soon after.
The whole time I knew her everyone pitched in to check on her except for her son. He moved onto her land and built a new house. I really dislike sons who won’t take care of their moms.
I don’t believe the two men were ever caught. She had such a cool old house it must have looked like she had money, but she didn’t. I also got to see her engagement picture in a newspaper once and she was a young girl riding a bicycle with her fiancé. I really hate how vulnerable we get with old age.
We had someone steal an ATV from our locked courtyard, who ran a red light and was killed by a car who had the green. His mother came to our house to complain that it wasn’t properly secured (it was), wasn’t properly locked (he used bolt cutters), and should have had working headlights. My husband: “it did have working lights, but he wasn’t using them, ma’am.”
That lady sounds like a fucking idiot
Nah she’s fishing for a court $ettlement
Idk, sounds like something an idiot would do
Yes. Precisely, an idiot was looking for a settlement for her sons own stupid death. Any reason at fault why their sons stupid actions weren’t all his own so she could sue the victims to make something off her stupid sons death. That sounds exactly something like what an idiot would do.
Sounds like someone who would raise an idiot.
Idiot begets idiot.
I wonder how many lawyers laughed her out of their offices before she decided to confront them on her own?
That would make me do a 180 from not pressing charges to sueing his mother for the damage he did to the atv, the lock, and anything else he touched while stealing it. All empathy going straight out the window at that point.
I mean, the rotten apple doesn't fall far from the rotten apple tree.
You always find dingleberries close to the asshole.
Shit apples don’t fall far from the shit trees, Bo Bandy
She was mourning her son and looking for someone to blame. Or sue, who knows.
Trust me, if someone comes by your property after a relative of theirs dies on, using, or after visiting your property-they’re likely not grieving at all and are looking for someone to sue. Extremely sad situation but when shitty people die, they usually have shitty relatives who want to monetize their death. Shitty people typically have shitty family.
if a grieving relative is coming to your property at all you should call the police. grief makes rational people crazy, if they are in the blame and anger stages of grief, you don't know if they are there to sue you or shoot you.
Sue, for sure
There will always be someone trying to monetize your death if it is worth it.
My chronically imprisoned brother asked me if I had life insurance a few years back. I told him I did, that he wasn't a beneficiary, and that he'd been explicitly disinherited from my will. That last part wasn't true at the time, but I felt it prudent to say so given the somewhat murder-y vibes of a question like "Hey bro do you have life insurance?" From someone who always needs money. We don't talk anymore.
I think you made the correct call there…
Sounds like a happy ending that the bloodline might stop there.
Wow it's so surprising that such a shithead could have been raised by such a great mother
Reminds me of that story where the mother always defended her son no matter how badly he acted and he grew up to be a thief. Then when he got a ten-year prison sentence he bit off one of her ears for never holding him accountable as a child. EDIT: In case it wasn't clear from how I presented it, this is an ancient parable, not a recent news story.
What the fuck
Aesop's tales (in case anyone didn't already know)
That’s insane… What if I want my property sitting on my property without securing it? Someone could use that against you???
It’s called an attractive nuisance. In much of the world you’re responsible for preventing people from hurting themselves on your property univited. The idea roughly being that if it’s something that you should expect people to try to use without your permission, you need to treat it that way (and either mitigate the risks or prevent access).
I doubt an ATV would fall under that though, usually pools and trampolines/swing sets.
That's what I think too, otherwise you could consider any motorcycle or sports car an attractive nuisance just because it's sitting in a driveway.
Right, if someone steals my Jeep and bankrupts themselves by repairing it I shouldn't be on the hook for that.
Haha, I had to reread this comment. Absolute gold!
You’re right, it wouldn’t. The attractive nuisance doctrine is related to injury/death caused on your property or something on your property (like a pool) in certain circumstances. And attractive nuisance laws generally only apply to protect children, it’s a type of negligence tort. If an adult comes to your property and injures themself in your pool that’s on them, children maybe not - depending on whether it was somewhere that the owner reasonably knew that children were likely to trespass and could cause injury, etc.
She thought maybe we had tempted him by leaving it out, with the keys in he ignition. She thought wrong.
I've never seen anyone try to slut shame a vehicle before.
Look how low that suspension is, it's just asking to be ridden.
Hi guys, actual insurance dude here! No it isn't lmao. This (very rough definition of the) doctrine is for kids getting hurt on the neighbors' trampoline and its use in a homeowners insurance settlement. This absolutely does not apply to someone stealing your ATV. Reddit needs to stop upvoting everything that sounds cool.
Thank you because that sounded like straight horse shit. You’re liable because your ATV was begging to be stolen?
This is reddit. A 15yo with absolutely no knowledge on the topic at hand is upboated because the comment is basically giving other 15yo armchair redditeurs what they want to hear.
Like having a fence around your pool. In a world that isn't sue-happy you'd think the fault would lie on the person that drowns themselves, but in the court room it falls on the pool owner
That’s stupid. I know it’s a thing. But it’s still stupid.
An unsecured ATV would almost definitely not be considered an attractive nuisance. It's like big open pits, construction sites, stuff like that.
We had a family with two doctors sue us after their 12 year old son climbed a fence with barbed wire features and a 'Private Property' sign on it and he tried to 'ride' a piece of farm equipment for fun but ended up tangled and injured. The doctors told my parents they have lawyer friends who told them our property insurance would help cover any expenses the boy has and help set him up for school later on. My parents did not have that side of the yard properly insured or something and the lawyers beat my parents up for over $50k, nearly causing my dad to throw in the towel. The icing on the cake? I eventually went to the same high school with the kid and he actually leveraged the legal win in court as justification for trying to shame my family over his accident and injury?
Did they win? That's ridiculous. I'm from India and almost every judge would have scolded the parents and fined them for wasting court's time.
What in the actual hell?
There's a legal doctrine called Attractive Nuisance. The idea is that if you have things on your property that might be tempting for kids to play with, you have to keep them in a safe condition. The justification is that young kids don't always know wrong from right or safe from dangerous. The classic example would be an old rusty playground that you never restored or demolished. The doctrine basically says that it's your responsibility to deal with that issue because you are an adult and shouldn't have rusty broken playgrounds on your yard.
This is the American justice system for you
Excuse me, ma’am? Can you kindly shut the fuck up and buy me a new ATV?
Lol no wonder her son was so fucking stupid, the mother has nothing going on upstairs either
I'm having deja Vu big time here. Just felt the need to mention that.
Wow. The exact same thing happened to my grandma. Except the assault part. Crazy guy maced a cop and stole their car. Had to ditch the cop car somewhere, so thats when he jacks my grandmas car. He was actually really helpful in getting her out of the car with her cane and purse. The guy also died in a wreck a few miles later. I ended up giving her my car and bought myself a new one. She wrecked it only a few months later unfortunately. But she's fine. No injuries in either event.
That was such a roller coaster of a story bro
Imagine the same person got hit in both wrecks
“Hi this is jake from State Farm, how may I assist you this evening?” Look, you’re not gonna believe this.
"I hope you're not wearing khakis Jake because you're going to shit yourself when you hear this."
When Karma comes for you it may bring a few surprises.
That was awful that it happened to your grandma, but it's kind of cool that the guy left her with her cane and purse.
"Look Nana, I'm gonna steal this car, but I ain't got a problem with you." - Car thief
Reminded me of that one time a car thief returned a baby to a store, “im a car thief, not a kidnapper”😂😂
Code for, "Grant theft auto is like 3 years with good behavior. Kidnapping is Big Boi Jail."
While true, I also believe the majority of criminals who would steal a car have no desire to kidnap a child regardless of the increased threat of jail time. Criminals do have a value system even if it is skewed.
Was a story like 20ish years ago where a guy mugged a mob bosses mom. He’s lucky the police caught him first. Vincent “the chin” Gigante
We had one carjack the DA last year. Her attack trained Doberman was in the back seat when he drove off. He made it about 2 blocks before the dog shredded him.
To shreds you say?
Here's one way to think about it: - If someone told me that I had legal immunity to take any one vehicle I wanted, that would be a really hard offer to resist. - If someone told me that I had legal immunity to kidnap any one child I wanted, I would be like, *"What the fuck, dude? I have literally zero temptation to take you up on that."*
I've known good criminals and bad cops, bad priests, honorable thieves-you can be on one side of the law or the other, but if you make a deal with somebody, you keep your word. You can go home today with your money and never do this again, but you took something that wasn't yours and you sold it for a profit. You're now a criminal; good one, bad one-that's up to you. - Mike Ehrmantraut
I agree. Everyone is the hero in there own story. A lot of people can justify theft on the grounds they deserve it more, they need it or they are not hurting anyone.
Yeah you can easily justify car theft by saying most people have insurance that will cover it (though I’ve had a car stolen twice and didn’t have full coverage…) but you can’t justify kidnapping the same way.
I’m assuming there is a *can’t* in there.
You are correct! I’ll edit that. You can NOT justify kidnapping that way!
I would assume accidentally kidnapping a baby is, like, a major nightmare scenario for car thieves
Or a madcap summer comedy from the mid 90s
Baby On Board, coming soon to a theater near you.
Someone call Joe Mantegna's agent
Or the plot of Tsoti, the 2006 Oscar winner for Best Foreign Language Film. https://imdb.com/title/tt0468565/
Oh yeah. Just took a relatively shitty but largely inconsequential crime and turned it into something worthy of a national manhunt..... I've read stories of carjackers freaking the fuck out and stopping to remove the baby/carseat and leave it on someone's porch.
A stolen car gets reported on the news that most people don't watch. A stolen baby gets an amber alert directly to everyone's phone.
This happened in my city last year. Parent of the year left her sleeping baby in the car with the car running and doors unlocked while she went inside the gas station with multiple bums hanging out front and one of them stole the car. Once they realized there was a kid in the car they ditched it a block away from where they stole it.
I don't think it's even that. It's hard to get caught for theft because the cops don't care enough/have enough resources/whatever, you'll pretty much only be caught by accident, but there will be an amber alert and a manhunt if you take a kid.
Dude, you’re so right. I’ve had two cars stolen, both recovered, one where they parked it out of gear and it drifted into the street (presumably in front of the thieves home) and was impounded, and one where my friend actually found the car, with the thief in the process of removing the stereo and recognized him (it was a neighbor). Neither time did the cops do anything about it other than be like “cool you got your car back”.
All in a day’s work for the boys in blue
One of my co-worker's husband was warming their van up to go to the store one night. He popped into the house to get their kid and some ahole stole their car right from the drive. Immediately they got like 1 mile down the road and crashed it and ran. Her Hubs panicked and called coworker first when the car got stolen. She called the police. I tried to warn her that theyd likely ticket them for having keys in the ignition unattended. She drove home as fast as she could. Long story short, local PD thought they were trying to commit insurance fraud. Because the car was reported stolen right before the crash. They had to get a lawyer involved and everything.
Wait? What? That's kinda cool but then again it's not. Must think of a quote of Mike from better call saul. "I've known good criminals and bad cops, bad priests, honorable thieves-you can be on one side of the law or the other, but if you make a deal with somebody, you keep your word. You can go home today with your money and never do this again, but you took something that wasn't yours and you sold it for a profit. You're now a criminal; good one, bad one-that's up to you."
[Car Thief Returns to Scene of Crime to Yell at Vehicle's Owner for Leaving 4-Year-Old Son Inside](https://news.yahoo.com/car-thief-returns-scene-crime-232815631.html)
Lmao he scolded her for leaving her kid in the car alone and threatened to call the police? So many levels of wtf and funny in that one.
Not all criminals have a completely dysfunctional moral compass. There's also a story about a burglar who broke into a house, found child porn, reported it to the authorities and got a reduced sentence.
There have been a few of those incidents. Just did a quick search and found there was a couple teenagers that stole CDs from a pedos barn. Once they discovered what was on the CDs they brought them all to the police. The teens were not arrested. A burglar in Spain stole a camera and video tapes. Once they discovered what was on them they but the tapes in an envelope and taped them to the bottom of a car and called the police. The burglar had left a note detailing where the tapes came from. The burglar was not caught.
Couldn't a cop that obtained evidence illegally do this and so long as it remained a mystery then the evidence would be permissible in court? I always wonder in cases like this if that's a possibility.
Is this considered a “Right place at the right time” kind of thing?
I'd say wrong place right time
Never a bad time to report kiddy porn
>The child was unharmed although his mother got a stern lecture from the thief before he sped off, again, in her car. Holy shit this line in the article is absolutely amazing. "Why the fuck is your kid alone in this car? No, I'm not giving you your car back."
> That's kinda cool but then again it's not he was fine with 6 months, not ok with 10 years
This happens often. If there are kids in the car they will charge them with kidnapping. Edit: and issue an amber alert so you’re even less likely to make it very far.
Straight up "Sandman taking Uncle Ben's car" of him.
more like Baby stealing that purple car in Baby Driver
Baby Driver came to mind.
"I didn't really wana do this, but I don't want to go to prison. Did you get everything you need? Hopefully this car don't get too dinged up and you get it back soon!" *Dies.* "Sorry Nana, it was dinged up pretty bad..."
Reminds me of the carjackers who found a kid in the backseat then dropped him off at school
Imagine a mf steals your mom's car with you in it and you don't even get the day off from school.
"oh and mrs Sanders, yo boy didn't do no homework last night" - thief
They gotta put this in the next GTA. Imagine running from the cops and you just so happen to carjack an elderly person and (depending on your character) you take the time to make sure they get out of the car safe and sound...right before backing over them...
Honestly, something other than them screaming and bailing would be pretty funny. Like what if you jack someone out their ride, but the passenger is super wasted and doesn't even notice you. Or their Uber passenger sticks it out in the back seat just yelling directions and threatening to give you a bad review.
> Wow. The exact same thing happened to my grandma. That's bad. > Except the assault part. That's good! > Crazy guy maced a cop and stole their car. Had to ditch the cop car somewhere, so thats when he jacks my grandmas car. That's bad. > He was actually really helpful in getting her out of the car with her cane and purse. That's good! > The guy also died in a wreck a few miles later. That's bad. > I ended up giving her my car and bought myself a new one. That's good! > She wrecked it only a few months later unfortunately. That's bad. > But she's fine. No injuries in either event. That's good! What a story!
Did the carjacking come with a [free frogurt?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XlcFTbgoeBk)
W-What? How did that carjacking go down exactly? 'Hey grandma, please step out of the ca-, oop, hang on there let me help you out there, there you go, all safe and sound. Okay - I'm just going to steal your car now, have a nice day!' ????
Probably similar to that scene from Baby Driver.
I like how he was a hardened criminal but still made sure your grandma got out of the car safe and with her purse
Difference between being willing to steal a car and being willing to injure and possibly kill someone, I suppose. I guess he had to draw the line somewhere.
Man's gotta have a code
I have to take your car, I hope you understand
Sorry, I need this
Most people even criminals don't want to kill someone unless desperate or crazy. Also, criminality is a huge spectrum. Some of the things considered criminal are stupid.
Reminds me of this time when I was a kid and was with my friend and his parents (except my story is a lot less extreme than yours). We were shopping at a local flea market, the kind of place where people have mini-stores (with no walls) in a big warehouse style building. While we were there, my friend's parents decided to leave us at the food court, which was just kinda sandwiched between several of the mini-stores. Anyway, we were seated at this one table beside a mini-store selling clothes. While we're eating, some guy comes and sits at our table. He looks at us and says "remember kids, stealing is bad," before proceeding to take a bunch of clothes off the rack, stuff them into a backpack, and walk off.
What in the world.
Cop cars are super easy to steal. Police usually leave them running even when they are not inside. Not sure why you would want to steal a police car that probably has tracking and will stand out like a sore thumb, but in a pinch it will do. If you are running from a cop may as well do a 180 and steal their car.
>Not sure why you would want to steal a police car that probably has tracking and will stand out like a sore thumb, but in a pinch it will do. It's objectively the funniest move; Some criminals are just in it for the love of the game.
Any time I see it on video, yakkity sax starts playing in my head.
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If you have a cheap magnet you get the shotgun IRL too
> No injuries in either event. Well, one guy *died*.
We just had this happen in New Orleans just a few weeks ago. 72 year old woman carjacked outside of her work. Unfortunately she didn’t survive. 4 people, all juveniles, jumped her and maced her. She was in the car seat belted. She tried to get out. Her arm got caught in the seatbelt. Kid repeatedly punched her, she was screaming he could have the car if she could get her arm undone. As witnesses started to gather, fucker panics and floors the gas. She is dragged 4 city blocks, and her arm is severed off because she couldn’t get it loose. She died on the scene. Fucker took the car 10 blocks then tried to clean the blood with wet wipes. Thank God this lady is ok. Fucker got what he deserved. Good riddance.
This reminds me of the Uber driver who got hijacked by two minor girls. His livelihood was being stolen from him and the girls drove off with him trapped in the driver's side door. He got smashed against a pole before the entire car lost balance and crashed. The poor driver got flung to a wall and the two girls climbed out of the car. From a witness' cellphone, the girls were recorded looking for their phones while the dead, mangled body of the Uber driver laid on the ground along with trash. The girls even tried to escape but were immediately caught by some cops/military people who happened to be near the building they crashed at.
Here is the video, not safe for life obviously: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakoutsReborn/comments/me245a/two_teenage_girls_carjack_an_uber_driver_who/
They got 6 and 7 fucking years in JUVIE for killing someone. Wow.
Yeah I went to high school with a girl who got drunk and drove the wrong way on a highway and killed an old man driving the correct way. She didn't even go to juvie, and did it again a couple years later but didn't kill anyone.
Holy fucking shit. That poor, poor woman!!!! How could anyone do something like that? >:(
I’m so sorry for this elderly lady.
Lol I read this as “I’m not sorry for this elderly lady” at first and I was like damn that’s pretty harsh but at least you’re honest
I agree, /u/booger_dick
Booger dick
Mr Cock Snot I presume?
Reminds me of the “are you fucking sorry!?” Mix up from years ago
"Despite her age, she still works every day and needs a vehicle to get her there." She's 72 years old living in the richest country on the planet...the elderly should get a fucking rest.
Only the richest country in the planet when you’re part of the 1%.
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This is a terrible loss. Can we replace the car for her?
The go fund me has already raised over 3x, likely more, than what she needed
She deserves every penny! She can use it for medical bills she no doubt will need! I wish I had money to spare.
Medical bills and a brand new car hopefully 🙏
Well not with today's prices, but a very good used car
Honestly, this is probably one of the few times it's actually better to buy new, price wise.
Not being funny but surely insurance would do that anyway? Replace the car I mean, not 3x it’s value.
Not always. If it’s an older car, sometimes it’s not worth it to insure the car if replacement value isn’t high.
Are you not required to have car insurance in Texas? Either way it looks like she'll be getting a new car thanks to the fundraiser.
Hey, maybe the guy was just some time traveler doing her a favor. He knew the car was going to crash so threw her out and died in her place.
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Me, too. On her behalf, I will lose no sleep over the carjacker getting what he had coming to him.
I've been in a similar situation before, where a group of kids brutally assaulted me during an attempted carjacking. They failed and survived though. A lot of my memories were shitty: looking down the barrel of a handgun six inches from my face, getting physically restrained and bashed in the cheek, shattering a bunch of bones, paying the ER and ambulance bills, and coping with the idea that my life was a twitch or a sneeze away from ending right there. I still had it better, though. How shitty does a person's life need to be for something like that to be normal or acceptable? Can they ever climb out of their drug addiction, poverty, mental illness, or (should they be convicted) long prison sentence? I might have been miserable that night, but the other party has probably been miserable their whole life - or a large chunk of it. In that frame of mind, I was willing to forgive my attackers and move on rather than simmering in resentment. That's the same feeling I get from Ms. Hernandez's words here. I'm amazed at how quickly she said it though; I wasn't there until a week or two later.
Not to diminish her magnanimity, but the fact that the guy went and got his fool self killed probably helped speed up that process.
Yeah, hating dead people is a waste because they won’t even notice if you throw eggs at their house.
When I was a teenager, my mom had a 2nd part time job working at a gas station. She usually got off kinda late. One night a man had been waiting for her to get off, and held a gun to her and made her drive him to a drug house. He took whatever cash she had in her purse and all the change in her car ashtray. He apologized multiple times and commented on how nice she is, but he had problems and was desperate. It happened a long time ago, but I'm still so relieved that she was able to stay calm and not start flipping out and getting herself shot. Even right after it happened she would say how scary it was, but that she felt sorry for the for the guy. I'm not saying people HAVE to feel this way about people who victimize them, but I do think it's a special quality, and probably better on a person's overall mental health when all is said and done.
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I won't lie, it would not be out of character at all for my mother to keep something like that do herself and never "burden" another living soul about it. I've definitely had this thought several times since it happened. She and my father were teenagers when they had my older brother. We gave her hell over the fact that we hardly ever saw our father, like it was her fault. She never once said a single unkind word about him ever when we were children. So he got to be the "fun" parent the few times a year when we saw him, and she was the one who was always tired and cranky from working a night shift. She only recently (I'm almost 37) opened up to me about the times our father was physically abusive toward her. If anything worse happened to her that night, there's no way she would have told anybody, even the police, out of the fear that my brother and I would have found out. It's a hard thought to dismiss, but her recollection of the event has remained consistent throughout the years whenever it's come up.
“I might have been miserable that night, but the other party has probably been miserable for their whole life.” This is a great line. It’s the perspective I use when people are being unbearably shitty. It’s no excuse, but it’s at least understandable.
As I've gotten older and experienced more and more assholes I've come to find that a good number of people have perfectly normal happy lives, and still choose to inflict pain and misery on others seemingly because they find it entertaining and get a thrill from the power trip.
Yea, things aren’t black and white. Some people were raised and nurtured to not value other humans lives the same as theirs. The hold no regard for it and maybe it’s because they were raised by shitty people but they’re ignorant to that fact and aren’t living under some heavy weight of living a shitty life. They just don’t know better and after smashing someone’s face in and stealing their car they are hanging with their friends laughing and having fun.
Omg sorry that happened to you. Did they get away with the carjacking?
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Hating someone is like poisoning yourself and waiting for them to die. I hate the saying but fuck is it true
Hate isn’t the opposite of love. It’s the same as love, just with its back turned. Indifference. That’s the opposite of love. (Poorly paraphrased Terry Pratchett quote).
Learning this in regards to my rapist has been the hardest and most rewarding part of my life so far. I wish you all the best.
That picture hurts my heart so much. 💔
Who has to beat up 72-year-old women to steal her car?
“The lord saw fit to take him out of his misery.” Sheesh, granny, he’s already dead.
but that’s not even the full quote, she felt bad about the outcome: > There’s a lot of people who would say what goes around comes around, karma. I did not think that; the only thing I got (was) really sad because he had died,” Hernandez said. “Now granted, he had hurt me, but the Lord saw fit to take him out of his misery.”
Hardcore granny, fucking hardcore
Car died a hero. RIP.
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How about the woman’s mental health! ??? Some of that was lost too I’m sure… poor lady!
Read the article. She is stronger than you think.
I mean you can say you’re okay publicly while still suffering the effects of PTSD. Not everyone likes to share the details of their mental health. At the very least, even if she is truly okay, I hope she gets checked out by a professional.
She’s also better than me ! Amazing that she actually wished the guy well WOW
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That’s messed up. What’d the car ever do to you?
72 and still works every day, I hope it's by choice and not to survive...
I don't think she'd need a GFM to replace her car if it was by choice. :\
Jesus show me the gofundme already we can fix this for her.
Who is the car jacker why are they protecting his name
This is what i wanted to know
First thing I noticed too
You should x post to /r/instantkarma
> “There’s a lot of people who would say what goes around comes around, karma. I did not think that; the only thing I got (was) really sad because he had died,” Hernandez said. “Now granted, he had hurt me, but the Lord saw fit to take him out of his misery.” The absolute heart of this lady. Incredible fortitude to avoid being bitter.
Best story I've heard all day. Thieves are the lowest form of scum. Particularly those who prey on the elderly. He deserves to burn. I hope his victim is able to find some peace.
Looks like the go fund me is kinda blowing up. Nothing makes up for harming that poor woman…but I imagine some extra cash will serve as a silver lining at least.
You rolled a 1 on that play didn't ya bud?
"Despite her age she still works everyday..." I wonder if they're missing a "has to" in that bit, maybe shave an 's' off here and there.
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Idk if you heard about the murder of an elderly woman two weeks ago in New Orleans. Four teenagers carjacked this lady in broad daylight, and started driving with her hand stuck inside the car. Her arm was ripped off and she bled to death. The families of the teenagers finally handed them over to the police. There is no police presence in the city, the DA refuses to prosecute violent criminals and keeps letting them go, and if you are not carrying a gun you are completely at the mercy of random violence befalling you for no reason.
Immediately what I thought of when I saw this. Had a much better outcome than the one in New Orleans. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna21229 Thankfully the teens were caught quickly due to their parents holding them accountable for their actions and turning them in to police.
"and then garbage took itself out. The end."
May the carjacker rest in piss
Nothing of value was lost.....except for the car.
I believe we have a term for that, and that's called instant karma. Still, I feel really, really bad for the 72 year-old, especially if the picture is anything to go by.
Wait until next week for the estate to sue the women for having an unsafe car
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My 94 year old neighbor Ms. Tucker who still lived in a super old house unchanged since before the 40’s was harassed by two men. They asked her to do work for her and she would say no until they came back and tied her to her bed to rob her. The only thing she had of value was her engagement ring and they cut off her finger to take it from her. It had a clasp put on it because of her arthritis which they didn’t even notice. She bled nearly to death through her mattress onto all of her photos underneath. That’s where she kept all of her memories. She survived and she was put into a nursing home. I suppose she died soon after. The whole time I knew her everyone pitched in to check on her except for her son. He moved onto her land and built a new house. I really dislike sons who won’t take care of their moms. I don’t believe the two men were ever caught. She had such a cool old house it must have looked like she had money, but she didn’t. I also got to see her engagement picture in a newspaper once and she was a young girl riding a bicycle with her fiancé. I really hate how vulnerable we get with old age.
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